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IRC Log for 2008-07-21

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  2. [00:13:22] <jkridner> mru: how was the show?
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  30. [04:40:55] <Thanatos> hello everyone
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  33. [04:48:01] <jkridner> hello
  34. [04:49:00] <Beagle2> alright, the guys over at #ioq3 need to know if OMAP3 can run OpenGL
  35. [04:49:51] <Beagle2> or if sdl compiles on it
  36. [04:52:28] <calculus> I think the drivers are more of an issue
  37. [04:57:14] <Beagle2> can you tell me more?
  38. [04:57:40] <jkridner> it can, but the drivers won't be out until later this year.
  39. [04:57:56] <Beagle2> alright
  40. [04:58:07] <Beagle2> it wont work immediately anyway
  41. [04:58:08] <jkridner> OpenGL ES 1.1 and 2.0. You need a software translation layer to use OpenGL (without the ES).
  42. [04:58:21] <jkridner> nope, not for a few months.
  43. [04:58:44] <jkridner> those who want 3D graphics out-of-the-box should probably wait.
  44. [04:59:03] <Beagle2> yeah, but I meant the entire system would take a while to get working
  45. [04:59:46] <Beagle2> if ill be hiring programmers to get Ioq3 working on the beagle board they have to know what they are working with
  46. [05:01:10] <jkridner> it is possible to get Beta drivers via more official channels, NDAs, etc.
  47. [05:01:22] <jkridner> Beagle has a different support model than TI products.
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  49. [06:00:09] <ldesnogu> Beagle2: a possible approach to get some early port of ioq3 would be by using OpenGL ES 2.0 imgtec "emulation" layer
  50. [06:00:35] <ldesnogu> however I am not sure the ioq3 core team will like that :)
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  58. [09:06:51] <ciskje> Hi
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  62. [09:17:21] <ciskje> I'm trying to subscribe to the mailing list but I'm experiencing problems, cannot subscribe. Anyone experiencing the same problems?
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  70. [11:31:03] <koen> good morning all
  71. [11:31:08] * koen is at BHX atm
  72. [11:31:17] <MattJ> Good morning koen :)
  73. [11:32:00] <Crofton|work> gm
  74. [11:32:06] <Crofton|work> how was the show?
  75. [11:32:12] <koen> pretty nice
  76. [11:32:34] <koen> the only anguish was coming from trying to cross-compile mythtv
  77. [11:33:39] <koen> it still tries to run arm binaries on x86 if you specify --cross-compile
  78. [11:33:45] <koen> *%(#*$%#( piece of shit
  79. [11:33:45] <Crofton|work> urg
  80. [11:34:03] <Crofton|work> I need to run make check on the gnuradio code
  81. [11:34:10] <Crofton|work> which runs arm binaries
  82. [11:34:30] <Crofton|work> fortunately I finally defeated the firewall on the box I do beagle buils on
  83. [11:34:35] <koen> even worse, instead of doing gcc -v, it tries to run an arm binary to get the gcc version
  84. [11:34:47] <Crofton|work> so I can nfs mount the build direcotry on the beagle
  85. [11:34:53] <Crofton|work> urg
  86. [11:35:03] <Crofton|work> I won't complain about boost then
  87. [11:35:24] <MattJ> the beagleboard doesn't have ethernet does it? or does it?
  88. [11:35:32] <koen> no ethernet
  89. [11:35:34] <Crofton|work> usb dongles work
  90. [11:35:35] <koen> only usb :)
  91. [11:35:40] <MattJ> ok :)
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  93. [11:47:04] <koen> RogerMonk: good morning!
  94. [11:48:54] <Crofton|work> gm
  95. [11:49:02] <RogerMonk> Hi all!
  96. [11:49:14] <RogerMonk> koen, mru - great job at the show!!
  97. [11:53:46] <Crofton|work> RogerMonk, dsplink?
  98. [11:57:03] <RogerMonk> Crofton, yep, let's get that nailed this week!
  99. [11:57:12] <Crofton> great
  100. [11:57:20] <Crofton> do you need anything else from me?
  101. [11:57:37] <Crofton> I can push the 128M patch
  102. [11:57:41] <RogerMonk> maybe when I get my head into it
  103. [11:57:44] <Crofton> ok
  104. [11:57:58] <Crofton> I'll be nagging
  105. [12:03:22] <koen> RogerMonk: invoice in euros or gbp?
  106. [12:03:40] <RogerMonk> either
  107. [12:04:52] <Crofton|work> koen, http://www.celinux.org/elc_europe08/
  108. [12:05:31] <koen> Crofton|work: I've seen that
  109. [12:05:41] <koen> Crofton|work: I might be attending
  110. [12:05:56] <Crofton|work> I looked at airfare
  111. [12:06:11] <Crofton|work> annoyingly, the off season drop is not as much as I would like
  112. [12:07:55] * koen wonders why myththv has both a configure and a qmake buildsystem
  113. [12:08:04] <koen> (not autotools, a configure shell script)
  114. [12:08:49] <janneg> koen: the gcc version check is fixed in trunk
  115. [12:09:07] <koen> janneg: and the other braindead checks?
  116. [12:09:20] <koen> my x86 cpu can't execute arm code
  117. [12:09:28] <koen> nor does uname return arm
  118. [12:09:34] <janneg> the configure is mainly used for the internal libav* copies
  119. [12:09:42] <koen> has anyone actually *tested* the crosscompile stuff?
  120. [12:10:04] <koen> janneg: ffmpeg doesn't have those checks in its configure
  121. [12:10:17] <janneg> I don't think so, it is inherited by ffmpeg
  122. [12:10:31] <janneg> and the braindead checks are added by us
  123. [12:12:06] * koen brings town the airport wifi with a videoconference
  124. [12:15:40] <janneg> koen: I'll review mythtv's configure in regard of cross-compiling but it will take a couple of days
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  129. [12:21:50] <koen> drat, my internet time is up
  130. [12:27:08] <Crofton|work> bye :)
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  132. [12:33:53] <jkridner> internet time is up?
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  134. [12:34:18] <Crofton> I suspect he paid by the hour in an airport?
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  136. [12:35:58] <royerfa> hello everyone
  137. [12:35:59] <jkridner> well, I hope this was a positive experiment
  138. [12:36:05] <jkridner> hello royerfa.
  139. [12:36:45] <Crofton> which experiment?
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  141. [12:42:02] <jkridner> having mru and koen go to LRL representing BeagleBoard.org
  142. [12:43:23] <royerfa> I am running some SDL program on Angstrom on the EVM
  143. [12:43:41] <royerfa> the more simple one ar eworking fine
  144. [12:43:46] <Crofton|work> jkridner, thought so
  145. [12:44:10] <royerfa> But when I try some games such as alienBlaste which I compiled
  146. [12:44:18] <royerfa> I got Segmentation Fault ...
  147. [12:44:19] <jkridner> royerfa: great. Do those leave out the 3D portion of SDL?
  148. [12:45:03] <royerfa> NO I have only some 2D demo such as testsprite or others
  149. [12:45:33] <jkridner> any ideas on how to get your work upstream for everyone to enjoy?
  150. [12:45:38] <royerfa> alienBlaster is an opensource Game quite old in 2D
  151. [12:45:54] <jkridner> getting it into Angstrom might be the easiest path.
  152. [12:46:13] <jkridner> if other people can experiment and see the failures, they might then be able to comment.
  153. [12:46:14] <royerfa> I can put the libraries and the executable file on a network
  154. [12:46:31] <jkridner> random program that seg faults is difficult to comment upon.
  155. [12:46:32] <royerfa> ja
  156. [12:46:45] <royerfa> for sure lol
  157. [12:47:04] <jkridner> do you have hosting to share the content?
  158. [12:47:21] <jkridner> I recommend you create a project on SF or code.google.com.
  159. [12:47:54] <jkridner> I'm getting a bit of help and working on adding a project registration process to BeagleBoard.org
  160. [12:48:07] <jkridner> see http://beagleboard.org/project
  161. [12:48:09] <royerfa> ok
  162. [12:48:47] <Crofton|work> http://www.schwardtnet.de/alienblaster/
  163. [12:49:31] <royerfa> exatly
  164. [12:50:01] <Crofton> I don't see a bb file for it :(
  165. [12:50:11] <Crofton> I'd add one, but I am suffering from a lack of motivation
  166. [12:50:28] <Crofton> and that would be procrastinating some things I really need to do :)
  167. [12:51:23] <royerfa> I wil put my work on google code
  168. [12:51:53] <royerfa> How to add some attached file to the google code
  169. [12:57:03] <ldesnogu> royerfa: could that be an alignment fault in alienblaster? x86 programmers (that is most of them) don't know what alignment is :)
  170. [12:59:16] <royerfa> I don't know either what is alignments :-(
  171. [13:01:06] <Crofton|work> ldesnogu, is there a good explanation of alignment anywhere?
  172. [13:01:52] <ldesnogu> Crofton|work: hum good question :P
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  174. [13:02:30] <jkridner> does http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/pa-dalign/ cover it?
  175. [13:02:51] <bjdooks> the general case for arm is that the data should be aligned to the size of the data, so chars on 1 byte alignment, 16bit to 2 byte alignment and 32bit to 4 byte alignment
  176. [13:03:45] <ldesnogu> jkridner: yes but it's on the heavy side :)
  177. [13:04:01] <ldesnogu> I like bjdooks explanation more
  178. [13:04:31] <bjdooks> depending if you have the alignment traps on or not, you get a free shift in the data or the correct action at the expense of taking an abort
  179. [13:05:13] <ldesnogu> this alignment trap should be killed, it's only good to make programs slow :-(
  180. [13:05:29] <bjdooks> you can turn it on per-process, iirc
  181. [13:07:38] <ldesnogu> sure? IIRC it's a global setting available through a proc file
  182. [13:07:41] <jkridner> a thought: I doubt it is an x86 vs. ARM alignment issue if it is running on the GP2X. I'd be more inclined to think it was a tool chain or library issue.
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  184. [13:08:06] <ldesnogu> jkridner: that's what I found after looking a little bit more
  185. [13:08:30] <ldesnogu> royerfa: what compiler did you use and what SDL version?
  186. [13:08:43] <royerfa> I used the toolchain arm-2008q1
  187. [13:08:58] <royerfa> and SDL-1.2.13
  188. [13:09:01] <ldesnogu> hum that's bad :)
  189. [13:09:06] <ldesnogu> I mean 2008q1
  190. [13:09:15] <ldesnogu> could you give 2007q3 a try?
  191. [13:09:50] <royerfa> I will try with the 2007q3 and I will tell
  192. [13:10:24] <jkridner> 2008q1 could explain all.
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  199. [13:26:02] <ldesnogu> royerfa: it would also be nice to get a gdb backtrace of where the segfault occurs; to do that launch the executable this way: "gdb program_name" ; then type "run" ; and when it crashes type "bt"
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  201. [13:27:56] <ciskje> Sorry guys for bothering, I'm trying to register to the mailing list but without success. Anyone around there with the same problem?
  202. [13:32:10] <dannyBlue|DDd> not me ciskje it worked without problem
  203. [13:32:27] <ciskje> :-/
  204. [13:32:38] <dannyBlue|DDd> do you use a gmail account?
  205. [13:32:38] <ciskje> Thanks anyway
  206. [13:32:43] <ciskje> Yes
  207. [13:32:54] <dannyBlue|DDd> hum what error do you get?
  208. [13:33:32] <ciskje> I don't rember exactly, give me few seconds to give it another try ...
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  211. [13:42:26] <ciskje> The error: "An error occurred while processing your request..." then "Please try again in a few moments".
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  213. [13:49:12] <ciskje> The same error in few retries
  214. [13:58:05] <Crofton|work> sakoman, do you need a special bitbake to fetch from a git branch?
  215. [13:59:02] <sakoman_> Crofton: practically speaking yes
  216. [13:59:09] <sakoman_> I use the svn head now
  217. [13:59:32] <Crofton|work> I am on 1.8
  218. [13:59:38] <sakoman_> otherwise you need to clean out the source cache every time your change a SRCREV
  219. [14:00:03] <sakoman_> try what you have and see if you can live with it
  220. [14:00:34] <Crofton|work> I'll ask RP if he plans to move this into 1.8 also
  221. [14:00:52] <Crofton|work> I need to clean up mlo/u-boot/kernel versions
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  223. [14:30:15] <sakoman> 4
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  228. [14:52:32] <shoragan> jkridner?
  229. [14:52:49] <jkridner> ?
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  235. [15:56:06] <koen> re
  236. [15:56:12] * koen is in a dutch train now
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  238. [16:01:45] <Crofton> koen, this afternoon I'd like to convert the OE recipe to use sakomans git branch
  239. [16:02:04] <Crofton> The kernel I built with Paul's patch didn't work so good
  240. [16:02:14] <koen> is that wise?
  241. [16:02:25] <koen> iirc that doesn't have all patches we use in oe
  242. [16:02:26] <Crofton> we also need to work out what mlo/xloader/u-boot combo to use with Angstrom
  243. [16:02:52] <Crofton> His seems stable :)
  244. [16:03:04] <Crofton> at least until Tony gets the backlog down
  245. [16:03:16] <koen> I see no real benifit from it
  246. [16:03:28] <koen> and it meeans everyone needs to download 250MB of sakomans server
  247. [16:03:38] <Crofton> well, what I built the other day wasn't working so good
  248. [16:03:46] <Crofton> good point
  249. [16:03:52] <Crofton> that is also annoying
  250. [16:04:15] <Crofton> I'm also wondering if my problems relate to mlo/u-boot
  251. [16:05:08] <dirk2> Crofton: Which mlo/uboot do you use? I think the MLO/xload from top of http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleSourceCode are okay. And uboot built from sakoman's git should be okay, too
  252. [16:05:27] <Crofton> heh, I'd need to check md5sums at this point :)
  253. [16:06:24] <Crofton> getting this sorted out is this afternoon's project
  254. [16:06:41] <Crofton> after checking the kernel I jsut built for davinci-sffsdr
  255. [16:08:07] <Crofton> but first, lunch
  256. [16:08:12] <koen> RogerMonk: I'll upoad some pictures when I get back home
  257. [16:09:17] <dirk2> jkridner or anybody else familiar with google wiki: Is there any way to see *what* changed in a page (page history)? Looking at http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/w/list Gerald changed something, but what??
  258. [16:11:25] <dirk2> pictures: Anybody saw anything from Khasim's OSSCamp http://osscamp.in/index.php/OSScamp_Bengaluru_Mobile_2008 ?
  259. [16:19:37] <koen> bbl
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  264. [17:14:05] <royerfa> Can someone point me to a good way to debug on the Target
  265. [17:14:38] <Crofton|work> ipkg install gdb?
  266. [17:14:45] <royerfa> gdb is not in the busybox but is in the tool cahin so how to use it ??
  267. [17:14:50] <royerfa> gdb
  268. [17:15:28] <Crofton|work> what rootfs are you using?
  269. [17:16:31] <royerfa> the one with Angstrom distrib
  270. [17:16:53] <sakoman_> Crofton: opkg not ipkg :-)
  271. [17:16:55] <Crofton|work> opkg install gdb should get gdb on the rootfs
  272. [17:16:59] <Crofton|work> yeah
  273. [17:17:01] <Crofton|work> I know
  274. [17:17:14] <sakoman_> the fingers don't ;-)
  275. [17:17:20] <Crofton|work> sorry, I was talking to someone on #gumstix this AM
  276. [17:17:21] <sakoman_> same problem here
  277. [17:17:49] <Crofton|work> invariably I type the wrong thing anyway
  278. [17:18:00] <royerfa> oki
  279. [17:22:28] <Crofton|work> ok, my MLO is ok, but u-boot is not flash_u-boot.bin
  280. [17:23:13] <royerfa> OK but to use opkg I need internet connexion on the board no ?
  281. [17:23:30] <Crofton|work> or copy ipk's to the fs
  282. [17:25:09] <dirk2> What do you mean with "flash_u-boot.bin"? I don't think there is a special uboot version for flash.
  283. [17:25:29] <Crofton|work> file name from the url you mentioned
  284. [17:25:46] <Crofton|work> http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleSourceCode
  285. [17:25:48] <dirk2> ah ;)
  286. [17:25:51] <Crofton|work> first u-boot.bin
  287. [17:25:57] <dirk2> yes, bad naming ;)
  288. [17:26:13] <Crofton|work> yep :)
  289. [17:26:24] <Crofton|work> That page should list md5sums ...\
  290. [17:26:31] <dirk2> I don't use the uboot from there, only xloader and MLO. Uboot I use is from sakoman's git
  291. [17:27:39] <dirk2> For the old page http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/DeprecatedBeagleSources we had md5sums, but Khasim missed to add them to this new page
  292. [17:28:12] <dirk2> Well, it's a wiki. If you have them already, add them, or send them here and I press the edit button
  293. [17:29:13] <Crofton|work> heh
  294. [17:29:19] <Crofton|work> I can get the ones I have
  295. [17:31:41] <dirk2> Reload the page, I added a new column "md5sum"
  296. [17:32:32] <jkridner|work1> added a board registration page.
  297. [17:33:15] <jkridner|work1> not exactly sure what we'll use it for, but it is just somewhat helpful to keep track of things. I should have had a "status" field. I think I'll add that now. Then, I'm going to need an edit skin.
  298. [17:34:07] <Crofton|work> hmm, so did I :)
  299. [17:34:26] <dirk2> :)
  300. [17:35:17] <dirk2> and now we need somebody showing me where in Google wiki I can see the page history
  301. [17:36:48] <jkridner|work1> page history requires downloading the project via SVN.
  302. [17:37:02] <jkridner|work1> instead of using the 'trunk', use 'wiki'.
  303. [17:39:33] * Crofton|work wonders what gets built from the OE recipe ...
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  305. [17:43:05] <Beagle9> IS there an easy way to hook a camera up to the Beagle?
  306. [17:43:25] <DJWillis> USB?
  307. [17:43:25] <dirk2> jkridner|work1: sakoman's flash procedure is added to the beagle news. In this description there is a small error for uboot > 1.3.3 . The first part, the xloader one, needs 'nand ecc sw', too. Else you will 'brick' your board. I tried it ;) Maybe you like http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardNAND , too
  308. [17:44:03] <jkridner> k. I'll pull it off of the beagle news then.
  309. [17:44:29] <sakoman_> jkridner: I will fix it right now
  310. [17:44:55] <jkridner> I'll add both and really confuse people.
  311. [17:46:37] <Beagle9> either a USB camera or any camera or imager really...
  312. [17:46:54] <dirk2> and I'm wrong above, too ;) I meant 'nand ecc hw' for xloader...
  313. [17:47:34] <sakoman> dirk2: see if it is right now
  314. [17:48:03] <jkridner> why don't we get sakoman's edits into the the wiki page?
  315. [17:48:12] <jkridner> that would probably be the more "community" thing to do.
  316. [17:48:16] <jkridner> no?
  317. [17:48:35] <dirk2> sakoman: :)
  318. [17:48:37] <jkridner> looks like sakoman's page is linked anywah.
  319. [17:48:44] <jkridner> anywah=anyway
  320. [17:49:44] <sakoman> 44
  321. [17:49:53] <Crofton|work> 42 you mean
  322. [17:50:26] <sakoman_> damn kvm switching isn't working right ;-)
  323. [17:58:54] <royerfa> I tried to install gdb with opkg
  324. [17:59:21] <royerfa> and the package of gdb provided on this pages http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv6/debug/
  325. [17:59:47] <royerfa> but the installation doesn't work properly
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  332. [18:39:19] <Crofton|work> hmm, what is the magic needed to get angstrom to mount a direcory via nfs?
  333. [18:49:05] * dirk2 (n=dirk@F3380.f.strato-dslnet.de) has left #beagle
  334. [18:55:49] <mugenkun> hey guys, I would like to get a board, is there yet any places selling it or something?
  335. [18:57:54] <mugenkun> or is there any prevision for the release?
  336. [19:00:21] * esden is now known as esden`away
  337. [19:02:31] <DJWillis> sakoman_: ping, are you about for a really quick question?
  338. [19:03:14] <DJWillis> sakoman_: did you have an MMC driver you worked on at some point that supported 2 cards?
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  341. [19:15:35] <sakoman_> DJWillis: yeah, I think at one point I did have things set up for 2 cards
  342. [19:15:45] <sakoman_> But IIRC I removed it
  343. [19:15:58] <sakoman_> And of course didn't save it
  344. [19:16:05] <DJWillis> sakoman_: don't suppose you have it still do you, ahhh
  345. [19:16:14] <sakoman_> But it should be quite simple to recreate
  346. [19:17:25] <DJWillis> ok, that's fine then, don't worry. It was causing me a few problems but I am sure they will work out.
  347. [19:21:06] <DJWillis> Thanks however, trying to finish off some of the outstanding on the todo, it just never seems to shrink.
  348. [19:21:32] <sakoman_> DJWillis: I know the feeling!
  349. [19:52:49] * docelic (n=docelic@78.134.192.57) Quit ("http://www.spinlocksolutions.com/")
  350. [19:58:54] <koen> re
  351. [20:04:08] <Crofton|work> koen, what's the trick to mounting a nfs file system on the beagle
  352. [20:04:16] <koen> no trick
  353. [20:04:19] <Crofton|work> I feel like I need mount.nfs
  354. [20:04:28] <koen> mount -t nfs 8394.45.35.35:/foo bar
  355. [20:04:38] <Crofton|work> http://rafb.net/p/zv7Wub34.html
  356. [20:05:01] <Crofton|work> same with -t nfs and -t nfs4
  357. [20:05:29] <koen> cat /proc/filesystems ?
  358. [20:05:35] <Crofton|work> heh
  359. [20:05:50] <Crofton|work> root@beagleboard:~# cat /proc/filesystems | grep nfs
  360. [20:05:50] <Crofton|work> nodev nfs
  361. [20:05:50] <Crofton|work> nodev nfs4
  362. [20:06:01] <Crofton|work> needless to say, I am frustrated
  363. [20:07:11] <Crofton|work> man mount suggests I need mount.nfs
  364. [20:07:37] <Crofton|work> a, part of nfs utilities
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  366. [20:08:15] <banderson> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9152590220.html
  367. [20:08:51] <Crofton|work> F9 has mount.nfs[4]
  368. [20:09:43] <banderson> wonder if they use oe?
  369. [20:09:50] <banderson> timesys that is
  370. [20:10:44] <Crofton|work> I don't know much about timesys, other than they exist
  371. [20:11:05] <Crofton|work> I think I see a timesys addr appear here occasionally
  372. [20:11:31] <koen> timesys sends like 3 PR releases to linuxdevices a day
  373. [20:11:33] <banderson> ya..just looked and saw a one earlier...don't know much either
  374. [20:11:37] <koen> sadly enough, it works
  375. [20:11:48] <banderson> didn't know that...interesting
  376. [20:12:11] <koen> linuxdevices only publishes stuff you send them
  377. [20:12:24] <koen> can't blame timesys for exploiting their laziness :)
  378. [20:12:56] * Crofton|work thinks OE should send them press releases every time we commit :)
  379. [20:13:26] <Crofton|work> I'll talk to RP about adding an "email Linux Devices on commit" hook
  380. [20:15:55] <jkridner> well, we didn't send them any Beagle announcement materials when they did the article on Beagle.
  381. [20:16:10] <jkridner> so, they are at least a little proactive.
  382. [20:16:42] <koen> jkridner: AIUI someone else sent it
  383. [20:16:49] * ciskje (n=francesc@87.19.200.110) has joined #beagle
  384. [20:16:51] <jkridner> probably.
  385. [20:17:31] <jkridner> is there a Raphael Studer lurking here?
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  387. [20:19:14] <Crofton|work> crap, this nfs thing has me stumped
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  392. [20:22:26] * Topic is 'Welcome to #Beagle | Discussion about the OMAP3 Beagle Board - http://beagleboard.org | Beagle search tools are on #dashboard at irc.gimp.org, NOT here ;) | Log is at http://www.beagleboard.org/irclogs'
  393. [20:22:26] * Set by jkridner on Tue Jun 10 00:33:18 CDT 2008
  394. [20:24:21] <koen> jkridner: mru has a new theory on beagle crashes: the git kernel is pushing the dispc too hard
  395. [20:24:45] <koen> jkridner: playing 480p video is fine, 720p video locks up the beagle after a few minutes
  396. [20:25:23] <jkridner> possible. I believe the published spec is still 65MHz pixel clock, though I believe there is strong proof for 75MHz being ok.
  397. [20:25:42] <jkridner> I'm not sure what other clocks are involve in generating the pixel clock and if any of those go out of spec.
  398. [20:26:09] <koen> we were running it at 72MHz, which seemed ok
  399. [20:26:30] <koen> but iirc mru said dss1 was set too high
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  401. [20:30:29] <jkridner> k. running one of the clocks too high could definitely cause issues.
  402. [20:35:01] * koen sums up debian on beagle: "So instead of a system that is fast enough for 720p mpeg4 video, you get a system that can hardly play an mp3 without skipping and needs 10 times more space."
  403. [20:36:10] <koen> debian/arm is so awesome
  404. [20:36:14] <koen> if it were 1995
  405. [20:36:54] <BThompson> it must not be built very efficiently, what kind of arm was it built for if it cannot run on a cortex A8?
  406. [20:37:12] <koen> debian is still using armv4 hardfpa OABI binaries
  407. [20:37:37] <BThompson> ahh
  408. [20:37:41] <koen> the unofficial port is using armv4t softvfp
  409. [20:37:44] <koen> so still slow
  410. [20:38:18] <koen> running debian on arm is like running gentoo with 8MB of ram
  411. [20:38:59] <koen> the fedora/arm people are a bit more cluefull
  412. [20:39:05] <koen> but more underground
  413. [20:39:17] <ciskje> Hi
  414. [20:39:17] <koen> the fedora people at LRL didn't even know about the arm port :)
  415. [20:39:24] <koen> hey ciskje
  416. [20:39:30] <ciskje> Hi guys
  417. [20:40:01] <ciskje> I'm new on the channel and new on the project. So ... before lurking I preferred introducing. Hope this doesn't hurt anyone
  418. [20:41:53] <koen> anvils hurt, introductions don't :)
  419. [20:42:04] <ciskje> ;-)
  420. [20:42:40] <ciskje> I saw you have performance problem. Maybe I could give my 2 cents. Which is your setup?
  421. [20:44:35] <jkridner> koen: gentoo does cross-compile.
  422. [20:45:03] <jkridner> maybe not as mature as OE for cross-compile, but I actually had a Gentoo build up first.
  423. [20:45:14] <jkridner> (without trying to build on Beagle)
  424. [20:45:21] <jkridner> still, OE quickly out-paced it.
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  427. [20:46:59] <koen> jkridner: it wasn't a jab at gentoo, it was more like "try to compile stuff when you have no ram"
  428. [20:47:38] <jkridner> understood. just didn't want it left that Gentoo requires big RAM on the target, since you don't have to compile on the target.
  429. [20:47:45] <koen> (I cheated and put 256MB ram in my sparc5 running gentoo)
  430. [20:48:40] <jkridner> I certainly get that trying to compile in 8MB would be pointless. I'm not sure about Beagle's 128MB, but that is probably too small to handle building the compiler. Small projects can compile on Beagle fine.
  431. [20:49:35] * koen had a compiler on beagle before switching to a 4gb sd card
  432. [20:49:55] <koen> 128mb is plenty, provided you steer clear of c++ code
  433. [20:50:12] <jkridner> The Ubuntu stuff is bloated, but it isn't too bad. I'd guess Debian would actually be a bit lighter.
  434. [20:50:34] <jkridner> still, it is certainly behind OE. must acknowledge that.
  435. [20:51:28] <jkridner> ciskje: who was pointing to a performance problem?
  436. [20:53:10] <ciskje> No guys, I got half the lines.
  437. [20:53:50] <ciskje> And a quarter of the meaning.
  438. [20:54:00] <ciskje> Sorry
  439. [20:54:33] <koen> jkridner: debian (and hence ubuntu) have a very simplistic view of 'architecture'
  440. [20:54:47] <koen> jkridner: their package format only knows 'arm' (yes, that's hardcoded)
  441. [20:55:05] <koen> so you get stuck with the lowest common demoninator
  442. [20:55:20] <koen> which in EABI is armv4t
  443. [20:56:08] <jkridner> what about http://mojo.handhelds.org/frisky-armv6el-vfp ?
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  445. [20:56:15] <koen> that problem is far more fundamental than their assumption that every device has a spinning harddrive
  446. [20:56:29] <jkridner> old ABI?
  447. [20:56:58] <jkridner> well, that was a starting premise--they can evolve, can't they?
  448. [20:56:59] <koen> jkridner: if you take a look in that armv6 repo, you'll see foo_1.2.5_arm.deb
  449. [20:57:23] <koen> jkridner: that relies on people not adding other repositories
  450. [20:57:50] <koen> jkridner: and you can see the problem when an "arm" deb doesn't run on your device
  451. [20:58:08] <jkridner> right. for *some* people, I'd think that wouldn't be a problem.
  452. [20:58:28] <jkridner> as long as you have the one distro for the one platform and that one is yours. :)
  453. [20:59:17] <jkridner> not "yours", but whoever is looking for packages.
  454. [20:59:31] <koen> we looked at using .deb for angstrom to make it more debian like, but haven't done it because the format is just to dumb
  455. [20:59:47] <jkridner> I'm not saying that Debian/Ubuntu/etc. are better solutions, but it isn't like they cannot work at all.
  456. [20:59:51] <koen> (set ANGSTROM_PKG_FORMAT = "deb" in local.conf and find out)
  457. [21:00:28] <jkridner> is it beyond repair?
  458. [21:00:43] <jkridner> can the packaging add the desired comprehension?
  459. [21:00:49] <koen> it relies on people not installing packages from "foreign" sources
  460. [21:01:13] <koen> experience has proven that people will install anything google digs up
  461. [21:02:17] * koen spent far too much time fixing stuff caused by people installing random shit and the package manager accepting it
  462. [21:05:27] <koen> jkridner: one project I'd like to see targetting cortex-a8 is http://clang.llvm.org/
  463. [21:06:50] <mugenkun> anyone know where can i get a beagleboard? =(
  464. [21:08:28] <jkridner> think that would build a compiler?
  465. [21:09:17] <koen> jkridner: I've been a fan of llvm since bossa last year, it does a better job at compiling code than gcc
  466. [21:09:20] <jkridner> mugenkun: you should be able to find out in about 1 week.
  467. [21:09:37] <jkridner> er, I meant would it build a Linux kernel.
  468. [21:09:53] <jkridner> I'd guess no GCC flags?
  469. [21:10:07] <jkridner> oh...
  470. [21:10:14] <jkridner> it does say GCC compatibility.
  471. [21:10:24] <mugenkun> jkridner: in the website?
  472. [21:10:50] <jkridner> yes. first notice of when boards will be available and where will be through the mailing list, so join that.
  473. [21:11:06] <jkridner> then the link will go live on the website.
  474. [21:11:12] <koen> jkridner: you can use llvm as backend for gcc, clang is the frontend that should replace gcc
  475. [21:11:18] <mugenkun> already joined :) thanks!
  476. [21:12:06] <jkridner> there is a request list, 'revb-request@beagleboard.o...', but we are getting close to going public, so getting on that queue isn't going to help much now.
  477. [21:13:34] * suihkulokki notices koen is atleast 2 years behind in debian/arm progress
  478. [21:13:44] <koen> jkridner: you can use llvm as, well, a vm and jit as well, but that's quite slow and requires like 8MiB of support code
  479. [21:14:07] <koen> suihkulokki: armel is the one and only arm port nowadays??
  480. [21:14:14] <suihkulokki> eabi port is now official and scheduled to be released in lenny
  481. [21:14:23] <suihkulokki> eabi = armel
  482. [21:14:31] <mugenkun> ok
  483. [21:14:48] <mugenkun> I'm watching the mailing list then
  484. [21:14:50] <suihkulokki> and we do not intend to release oldabi arm for lenny
  485. [21:14:53] <mugenkun> thanks
  486. [21:16:20] <ciskje> Is there any emulation environment for those who doesn't have board ?
  487. [21:16:42] <koen> iirc qemu cvs supports armv7 nowadays
  488. [21:18:05] <ciskje> Yes. I need to compile gcc 3.x for qemu.
  489. [21:18:15] <koen> right
  490. [21:19:04] * mugenkun (n=sddd@201.37.105.27) Quit (Remote closed the connection)
  491. [21:19:56] <ciskje> Any hints, docs, links for getting (somewhat) your current environment running without bothering people on the channel?
  492. [21:23:56] <jkridner> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard
  493. [21:24:37] <jkridner> I'm not aware of any setup using qemu right now, though that would be a VERY welcome project.
  494. [21:25:06] <ciskje> Thanks for the link
  495. [21:25:31] <ciskje> The qemu approach would be the only one for me right now
  496. [21:25:52] <ciskje> I think I'll give it a try
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  500. [21:44:20] <koen> one mythtv hurdle down: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/trunk/mythtv/configure
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  505. [22:22:46] <Crofton|work> koen, can you humour me and try mounting a nfs directory on your beagle?
  506. [22:22:58] <Crofton|work> the guys in #oe swear it works on their boards
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  511. [22:33:43] <ciskje> The whole process (plus the packages that were on the queue) nearly "boiled" my machine
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  521. [23:46:06] <mru> does anyone here know how the clock configuration in clock34xx.[ch] is supposed to work?
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  523. [23:56:07] <paul_pwsan> mru: what info are you looking for?
  524. [23:57:27] <mru> I'm trying to make sense of it
  525. [23:57:38] <mru> mostly in relation to the dss1_alwon_fck clock
  526. [23:57:38] <paul_pwsan> sakoman_: i have a revised set of I2C patches here if you (or anyone else for that matter) would like to give them a test before they are posted to the list

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