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IRC Log for 2008-12-30

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  12. [00:55:00] <mru> warning: gcc-csl 2008q3 -mcpu=cortex-a8 and shared libs breaks miserably
  13. [00:55:22] <mru> although I suspect a linker fault
  14. [00:55:39] <mru> it loses some relocations
  15. [00:57:07] <mru> R_ARM_MOVW_ABS_NC and R_ARM_MOVT_ABS relocations in shared libs don't seem to work at all
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  29. [02:17:26] <Crofton|work> http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS4666034730.html
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  66. [07:14:29] <raster> grrrr
  67. [07:14:29] <raster> why isnt x producing any output
  68. [07:14:36] <raster> or output my monitro wants to accetp
  69. [07:15:09] <_AV500_> hello raster
  70. [07:15:45] <_AV500_> don't tell me you want that bloated X stuff :-)
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  72. [07:16:19] <raster> of course i do~
  73. [07:16:22] <raster> :-P
  74. [07:16:40] <_AV500_> then wait for the BB experts to wake up :-)
  75. [07:17:02] <raster> crap
  76. [07:17:12] <raster> and i dont even know what the ranges of my monitor are
  77. [07:17:31] <_AV500_> vase standard?
  78. [07:17:37] <_AV500_> vesa
  79. [07:18:14] <raster> should be
  80. [07:18:21] <raster> 19" lcd from benq
  81. [07:18:31] <raster> 1366x768
  82. [07:18:33] <raster> just bought it for my bb
  83. [07:18:36] <_AV500_> but you see the bootlogo ok?
  84. [07:18:44] <raster> so it should handle anything the bb can dish out
  85. [07:18:53] <raster> bb claims to be doign 1024x768
  86. [07:19:00] <raster> bootlogo is ok
  87. [07:19:04] <raster> after that its foobar
  88. [07:19:22] <_AV500_> you run angstrom/oe or your own?
  89. [07:22:41] <raster> angstrom image snap
  90. [07:22:50] <raster> my own will be days building...
  91. [07:22:54] <raster> thanks to my sucky internet
  92. [07:23:29] <_AV500_> ?
  93. [07:23:59] <_AV500_> you will build it remotely on a DM320 over a 300 baud line?
  94. [07:24:02] <raster> i'm on 32kbit
  95. [07:24:17] <raster> adsl is 32kbit
  96. [07:24:20] <_AV500_> only way to avoid the censorship?
  97. [07:24:21] <raster> it nees to download sources
  98. [07:24:29] <raster> eg new kernel, glibc, etc. etc.
  99. [07:24:32] <raster> no
  100. [07:24:45] <raster> i moved house early december
  101. [07:24:49] <raster> and isp still hasnt connected adsl
  102. [07:24:52] <raster> so i'm on prepaid wimax
  103. [07:24:57] <_AV500_> i see
  104. [07:24:59] <raster> and my 1gb quota went in like 3 days
  105. [07:25:03] <raster> so it dropped back to 32kbit
  106. [07:25:06] <_AV500_> :-)
  107. [07:25:09] <_AV500_> prepay more
  108. [07:25:19] <raster> fuck that
  109. [07:25:25] <raster> its $20 for 1gb
  110. [07:25:44] <_AV500_> tell me what you need, I can fedex you a DVD :-)
  111. [07:26:38] <raster> might be faster
  112. [07:26:41] <raster> :)
  113. [07:26:47] <raster> umm angstrom sources
  114. [07:26:50] <_AV500_> internet cafe?
  115. [07:26:50] <raster> dont worry
  116. [07:26:56] <raster> internet should be back to normal on the 6th
  117. [07:27:07] <raster> ahhaha
  118. [07:27:10] <raster> $3/hr
  119. [07:27:14] <raster> :)
  120. [07:27:21] <_AV500_> that'S 8 days w/o internet!
  121. [07:27:29] <raster> oh i have net
  122. [07:27:30] <_AV500_> I would be dead
  123. [07:27:32] <raster> just slooow
  124. [07:27:34] <raster> enouhg for email and irc
  125. [07:27:39] <raster> thats it
  126. [07:27:53] <_AV500_> enjey
  127. [07:27:56] <_AV500_> enjoy
  128. [07:27:58] <raster> i'm used o 20mbit
  129. [07:28:01] <raster> to
  130. [07:28:14] <raster> with a 90g/mo quota
  131. [07:28:20] <raster> whihc is more reasonable
  132. [07:28:26] <_AV500_> just so
  133. [07:28:45] <_AV500_> I should never have left uni, 100mbit no quota
  134. [07:28:52] <raster> anyway - now why doesnt this respect my xorg.conf
  135. [07:30:08] <_AV500_> are your bootargs in uboot OK? there is something there about setting aside vram or so...
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  137. [07:31:54] <raster> x seems happy
  138. [07:32:00] <raster> found video ram
  139. [07:32:05] <raster> sets up 16bpp
  140. [07:32:11] <raster> but insists on 1024x768
  141. [07:32:17] <raster> even tho i'm asking for 640x480
  142. [07:32:29] <raster> its not respecting my conf
  143. [07:32:35] <raster> hmm
  144. [07:34:16] <raster> bootargs are the default
  145. [07:34:38] <raster> # setenv bootargs 'console=ttyS2,115200n8 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rw rootwait'
  146. [07:34:40] <raster> # setenv bootcmd 'mmcinit;fatload mmc 0 80300000 uImage;bootm 80300000'
  147. [07:34:56] <raster> ie nothng but set serial console up - root fs and boot away
  148. [07:39:03] <raster> hmm works
  149. [07:39:09] <raster> video output was there
  150. [07:39:17] <raster> and then boot seemed to turn things off
  151. [07:40:05] <_AV500_> bootargs here: http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/HowToGetAngstromRunning
  152. [07:40:16] <_AV500_> ...video=omapfb:vram:2M,vram:4M
  153. [07:40:23] <_AV500_> dunno if that is needed
  154. [07:40:25] <raster> oooh
  155. [07:40:29] <raster> different
  156. [07:40:32] <_AV500_> rtfm :-)
  157. [07:40:58] <raster> ooh
  158. [07:41:04] <raster> DIFFERENT docs
  159. [07:41:06] <raster> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners
  160. [07:41:10] <raster> does not mention this at all
  161. [07:41:21] <raster> (i was rtfm... ing)
  162. [07:41:48] <_AV500_> I am not sure whether this vram is really needed or now, I have seen X without it I think
  163. [07:41:55] <_AV500_> but it could depend on kernel
  164. [07:42:07] <raster> well x is preporting finding it
  165. [07:42:11] <_AV500_> ok
  166. [07:42:14] <raster> and x seems happy without complaints
  167. [07:42:22] <raster> not using my config tho - insisting on a different res
  168. [07:42:26] <_AV500_> ok
  169. [07:42:40] <raster> mind u
  170. [07:42:46] <raster> that video will put the kernel console there
  171. [07:42:53] <raster> hmm
  172. [07:42:55] <raster> maybe its omapfb that wants it..
  173. [07:43:48] <raster> there it goes again producing out of range video
  174. [07:43:55] <raster> grr
  175. [07:44:02] <raster> monitor wont tell me what it is..
  176. [07:44:25] <raster> unhappy omapfb
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  178. [08:00:51] <eFfeM> koen, ping, yesterday you mentioned that your latest kernel has working OTG role switching; does that mean that one can use a mini-b cable i.s.o. a mini-a one ?
  179. [08:04:30] <raster> eh?
  180. [08:04:30] <raster> musb is solved?
  181. [08:28:28] <raster> hmm
  182. [08:28:36] <raster> looks like this problem has popped up with others
  183. [08:28:41] <raster> a kernel issue of some sort
  184. [08:28:47] <raster> http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/ac0cb5f5644236ca
  185. [08:28:58] <raster> last msg also has no dvi out problems (or out of range)
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  188. [08:52:54] <koen> eFfeM: yes
  189. [08:54:46] <eFfeM> nice, it is often difficult to tell if a cable is mini-a or mini-b when ordering it
  190. [08:56:17] <sh1> has anyone observed twl4030 interrupts getting missed?
  191. [08:56:27] <favor> hi. has anyone develop the logic zoom omap3 board?
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  193. [08:56:46] <sh1> twl4030 keypad interrupts
  194. [08:57:37] <koen> eFfeM: if you plug in mini-b it will be a client, if yo plug in a mini-a it will be a host
  195. [08:58:02] <eFfeM> ah ok, thought it would be sw controllable, misunderstood that
  196. [08:58:11] <koen> raster: if you use the 2.6.27 kernel you should be able to tell it to use different resolutions using uboot
  197. [08:58:37] <koen> raster: also make sure you have an up to date uboot, e.g. http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
  198. [08:58:45] <eFfeM> seem to recall the wiki saying something about host negotiaon protocol and thought bb would autodetect if it should drive the port as host or client
  199. [09:00:03] <koen> raster: having a bootsplash in uboot means that it's broken
  200. [09:00:20] <raster> koen: i'm just using the default the board comes with
  201. [09:00:41] <raster> what on earth is x-loader tho
  202. [09:00:48] <raster> vs u-boot
  203. [09:00:51] <eFfeM> wiki says: The Linux kernel needs to know you want to use the OTG port in host mode. I believe OTG ports are supposed to figure this out for themselves using the OTG Host Negotiation Protocol, but for now the Linux kernel may need some help. Specifically, Pin 4 (ID) of the OTG connector needs to be shorted to Pin 5 (GND) by using a 5-pin USB Mini-A plug which shorts these pins together in the plug.
  204. [09:00:55] <raster> they look the same cmd-line wise
  205. [09:00:55] <sh1> sometimes, when i press twl4030 keys, i miss some of the interrupts
  206. [09:01:14] <sh1> however this does not happen often
  207. [09:01:26] <raster> and it comes with the beagleboard splash
  208. [09:01:34] <raster> so at least i know the dvi out works
  209. [09:01:38] <raster> :)
  210. [09:06:52] <koen> raster: xloader is teh stepping stone to fit in the chips sram, it loads uboot
  211. [09:07:07] <raster> oooooh
  212. [09:07:09] <koen> raster: the rule of thumb is that uboots from TI are broken
  213. [09:07:17] <koen> raster: and only TI uboots have a splashscreen
  214. [09:07:21] <raster> gotcha
  215. [09:08:36] <raster> U-Boot 1.3.3 (Jul 10 2008 - 16:33:09)
  216. [09:08:42] <raster> so i assume that baby is broken eh?
  217. [09:08:47] <koen> yes
  218. [09:08:57] <koen> you want the ubuntu style versions
  219. [09:09:01] <koen> 2008.10, etc
  220. [09:09:11] <raster> and a update of uboot will get video workign again?
  221. [09:09:28] <raster> or i also need to replace kernel
  222. [09:09:34] <koen> it will allow the kernel to get a more accurate pixclock
  223. [09:09:47] <koen> if you use 2.6.26 or 2.6.27
  224. [09:09:47] <raster> ok
  225. [09:09:51] <raster> i was fiddlign with fbset
  226. [09:09:56] <raster> and all sorts of crud
  227. [09:09:57] <koen> fbset won't work
  228. [09:09:59] <raster> and nothng stuck
  229. [09:10:02] <raster> 2.6.27
  230. [09:10:14] <koen> 2.6.27 can be configured from the kernel commandline
  231. [09:12:07] <koen> e.g. video=omapfb:vram:2M,vram:4M,mode:640x480@60
  232. [09:12:09] <raster> Linux version 2.6.27-omap1 (koen@dominion) (gcc version 4.2.1) #1 Thu Dec 11 11:42:51 CET 2008
  233. [09:12:25] <raster> ie - your kernel :)
  234. [09:12:32] <raster> (i'll be weeks waiting for my oe build of angstrom)
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  237. [09:15:21] <raster> uboot reflash same as on the freerunner?
  238. [09:15:24] <koen> setenv bootargs 'console=ttyS2,115200n8 console=tty0 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootwait rootfstype=ext3 video=omapfb:vram:2M,vram:4M,mode:1024x768@60' ; save
  239. [09:15:48] <koen> raster: you should be able to put uboot on the fat partition of your sd can and MLO should pick it up
  240. [09:16:03] <koen> raster: if you want to flash it: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/README.txt
  241. [09:16:56] <raster> hmm mlo and u-boot are there
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  244. [09:19:06] <raster> hmm
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  246. [09:21:36] <koen> AIUI the next spin should include a uboot that isn't broken
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  248. [09:22:25] <raster> bugger
  249. [09:22:32] <raster> so i just got a bad one
  250. [09:22:32] <raster> B7
  251. [09:24:01] <raster> uh oh
  252. [09:24:11] <raster> ummm
  253. [09:24:45] <raster> u-boot is broken
  254. [09:25:03] <gregoiregentil> Ping koen? Any idea for this error: http://pastebin.com/d62f3bb9? I have linux-omap_2.6.27.bb (which includes pvr patches) and I have pvrsrvinit from a package downloaded on my TI extranets for 3430.
  255. [09:26:10] <raster> this.. is.. really bad
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  257. [09:28:35] <raster> Texas Instruments X-Loader 1.41
  258. [09:28:38] <raster> Starting on with MMC
  259. [09:28:41] <raster> thats as far as it gets
  260. [09:29:53] <raster> ooh hmm
  261. [09:29:54] <raster> ok
  262. [09:29:57] <raster> have to press user
  263. [09:30:04] <raster> AHA!
  264. [09:30:07] <raster> video!
  265. [09:30:29] <raster> hrrrm
  266. [09:30:52] <raster> now the fun begins
  267. [09:30:55] <raster> no kbd or mouse input
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  269. [09:35:24] <raster> is there some way i can force the otg port to host mode?
  270. [09:37:54] <jsync> use one of these http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=2043
  271. [09:46:22] <raster> and wonderful expensive delivery to .au
  272. [09:46:52] <raster> if i can just tell it its in host mode
  273. [09:46:55] <raster> i'm happy
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  275. [10:00:33] <koen> raster: for 2.6.27 otg is only in host mode
  276. [10:00:52] <koen> gregoiregentil: there's a patch for that, let me find it
  277. [10:02:56] <gregoiregentil> OK. Many thanks. Yes, please (note that I'm using linux-omap_2.6.27.bb). I was trying/comparing with your latest 12/20 build to isolate the problem
  278. [10:03:17] <raster> koen: umm. then how do i make it "work"
  279. [10:03:26] <raster> other than using an otg adaptor
  280. [10:03:31] <raster> or a mini-a cable/
  281. [10:03:59] <raster> is some way i can tell it "hey - cable it host cable - use it as you would in host mode"
  282. [10:04:03] <raster> ala the 2442
  283. [10:04:16] <raster> just echo 1 > /sys/....
  284. [10:04:16] <raster> and bingo
  285. [10:05:12] <koen> ground pin 4 and 5 should do the trick
  286. [10:05:17] * koen has a proper mini-a cable
  287. [10:06:22] <raster> bugger
  288. [10:06:28] <raster> so no software-way?
  289. [10:06:39] <raster> those things are like hens teeth to find here
  290. [10:06:55] <jsync> mini a cable ?
  291. [10:07:07] <raster> yes
  292. [10:07:26] <jsync> dont have a nokia showroom around ?
  293. [10:08:11] <raster> not that i know of
  294. [10:08:32] <raster> i wandered the computer stores in the city for a bit trying to find them
  295. [10:08:34] <raster> maybe the phone stores will have them
  296. [10:10:03] <jsync> dont buy expensive ones.. most probably you are going to cut it to short gnd and id pins
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  298. [10:11:35] <raster> eh?
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  300. [10:11:55] <raster> ii have miniusb->usb cables cmong out of my ears
  301. [10:12:00] <raster> dont knwo what to do with tyhem
  302. [10:12:04] <raster> but they are all B type
  303. [10:12:07] <raster> not A
  304. [10:12:17] <raster> i guess i could hack one to ground the wires
  305. [10:15:04] <gregoiregentil> Koen: I tried with your 12/20 release + kernel 2.6.27-rc4 and I get the same error. So it seems that the patch is missing
  306. [10:16:12] <koen> I haven't tried the patch
  307. [10:17:05] * favor (n=user@221.10.25.6) Quit ("Leaving")
  308. [10:17:45] <gregoiregentil> koen: which patch? You mean pvr/pvr-add.patch? or the patch that you wanted to find five minutes ago?
  309. [10:19:02] <koen> the patch that should be in your inbox :)
  310. [10:20:25] <gregoiregentil> OK! ;-)
  311. [10:21:23] <gregoiregentil> So does it mean that so far, nobody has made work the Nokia pvr module?
  312. [10:21:44] <koen> someone at TI has it working
  313. [10:22:06] <gregoiregentil> the same person who sent you this patch, I guess?
  314. [10:22:09] <koen> yes
  315. [10:22:17] <koen> prateesh
  316. [10:22:36] <gregoiregentil> patch looks strange indeed. I will try now
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  318. [10:23:02] <koen> gregoiregentil: send your findings to the mailinglist, maybe someone has a hint on how to solve it
  319. [10:23:46] <gregoiregentil> I will after trying this patch
  320. [10:25:37] <koen> the patch is of course GPL
  321. [10:26:15] <gregoiregentil> It's very unlikely to work... omap_fb.c has disappeared since a while (back to 2.6.22)
  322. [10:38:48] <koen> gah
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  325. [10:49:39] <mru> jsync: ping
  326. [10:50:05] <mru> koen: gcc-csl 2008q3 and current binutils produce broken shared libs
  327. [10:52:04] <koen> mru: heh
  328. [10:52:17] <mru> the linker is at fault
  329. [10:52:31] <koen> gnu binutils or csl binutils?
  330. [10:52:34] <mru> gnu
  331. [10:52:39] <mru> haven't tried csl
  332. [10:53:09] <adj_> are there any i2c gurus around?
  333. [10:53:12] <koen> I wonder what's in CSLs contract with arm
  334. [10:53:29] <koen> "must be able to compile helloworld.c and run in qemu"
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  337. [10:54:32] <kulve> koen: have you tested audio on evm?
  338. [10:54:33] <adj_> apparently i have one device which cannot handle 400 khz fast mode i2c and seems that my beagle is talking at 400 khz by default
  339. [10:55:05] <adj_> so the questin would be: how to lower i2c bus speed?
  340. [10:56:15] <koen> kulve: not yet
  341. [10:56:31] <kulve> koen: ok
  342. [10:57:21] <mru> koen: a quick diff of gnu and csl binutils doesn't show anything that looks relevant
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  344. [11:00:04] <koen> kulve: I keep meaning to try jaaa (http://www.kokkinizita.net/linuxaudio/jaaa-pict.html) on beagle or evm
  345. [11:00:58] <kulve> umm, what does that do? :)
  346. [11:01:16] <koen> uses your line-in as an oscope
  347. [11:02:34] <koen> something Crofton|irssi would get excited about :)
  348. [11:02:40] <kulve> ok
  349. [11:04:04] <jsync> mru: pong!!!
  350. [11:04:58] <mru> jsync: I've fixed your problem
  351. [11:05:13] <mru> broken linker made bad shared libs
  352. [11:05:20] <jsync> mru: good to hear that..
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  354. [11:06:45] <ldesnogu> mru, are you sure it's not fixed in latest CSL binutils? I seem to remember having seen some movw/t thing in the changelog
  355. [11:07:46] <jsync> so, this is a toolchain issue after all..
  356. [11:07:49] <mru> there was a patch from pbrook in march which is in mainline
  357. [11:08:13] <mru> I don't see any movw/movt related differences between latest gnu and csl binutils
  358. [11:08:23] <mru> http://sourceware.org/ml/binutils/2008-03/msg00038.html
  359. [11:08:38] <mru> without that one I don't think even static linking would work
  360. [11:10:12] <jsync> btw.. omapfbplay in OE uses shared ffmpeg libs
  361. [11:10:15] <ldesnogu> I am dl'ing 2008q3, I didn't have it at home...
  362. [11:10:58] <jsync> i just running omapfbplay built using OE. video is perfect..
  363. [11:11:34] <koen> OE doesn't use CSL compilers for userspace
  364. [11:11:41] <jsync> cpu load is 28.5%
  365. [11:11:45] <mru> koen: this was breaking with any compiler
  366. [11:12:04] <mru> my assembler code triggered the same linker bug
  367. [11:12:10] <koen> mru: I guess I was luckily not up to date with your ffmpeg :)
  368. [11:12:30] <mru> whic revision are you using in OE?
  369. [11:12:36] <mru> I can check if it's affected
  370. [11:13:39] <koen> I just updated to the latest one that includes your fix :)
  371. [11:14:24] <mru> what was it before?
  372. [11:14:41] <koen> 48b4495cdae4a4bc2bc65902f3214c1b084be01d
  373. [11:15:41] <mru> that has the problem
  374. [11:20:20] <jsync> mru: what is the binutils version the above patch to be applied with..?
  375. [11:20:36] <mru> it's already in recent versions
  376. [11:20:39] <mru> no need to patch
  377. [11:20:57] <mru> I'm using 2.19.50.0.1
  378. [11:25:08] <jsync> i have been using 2.18 .. would that be the problem ?
  379. [11:25:14] <mru> I don't know
  380. [11:26:41] <jsync> anyway, i will give a try with 2.19.50.0.1
  381. [11:27:03] <jsync> mru: thanks a lot for your help
  382. [11:32:20] * ldesnogu is sad, his cat doesn't like Black Sabbath
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  386. [12:14:25] <adj_> ahh, i2c problem solven. Finding the correct file and setting bus speed to 100 khz saved my day and enabled my beagle robot motor controller :)
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  388. [12:30:57] <mru> adj_: a robot, have you considered entering the beagle contest?
  389. [12:37:16] <adj_> mru: no i haven't
  390. [12:38:15] <mru> have you heard of it?
  391. [12:38:39] <adj_> my software/coding skills aren't anywhere near to produce a very generally usable image
  392. [12:39:35] <adj_> mru: the one announced at the mailing list some time ago?
  393. [12:39:35] * rupeshgujare (n=rupesh@59.160.172.220) has joined #beagle
  394. [12:39:53] <mru> this one: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/contest
  395. [12:39:58] <mru> I don't know of any other
  396. [12:44:52] <adj_> hmm, i'll have to see what i can come up with now that i finally have almost all hardware assembled
  397. [12:45:54] <rupeshgujare> Anyone working on externally attaching LCD + Touch screen to Beagle ?
  398. [12:51:22] <sh1> has anyone tried pm after mounting a sd/mmc card? does it work?
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  401. [13:02:39] <magnet> rupeshgujare: I do.
  402. [13:02:53] <magnet> rupeshgujare: trough I'm waiting for the touchscreen still.
  403. [13:08:28] <rupeshgujare> magnet: can u share which hardware u r using? and have u got any success so far?
  404. [13:09:11] <koen> gregoiregentil: I sent you some more suggestions from TI by mail
  405. [13:10:08] <magnet> rupeshgujare: sure, I use a toshiba 10.4" screen and a second hand lvds controller.
  406. [13:10:20] <magnet> the controller got a genessis chip on it.
  407. [13:11:14] <rupeshgujare> magnet: can u give exact model no. and link if possible ? and have u got success in it?
  408. [13:13:27] <magnet> I don't have the exact model for the lvds controller, but I have the link, wait a second.
  409. [13:14:38] <magnet> http://agilentpixel.com/product.php?id_product=26
  410. [13:15:10] <magnet> this one may not be the best, I paid only 25$ to get it.
  411. [13:18:48] <rupeshgujare> did it worked on the fly? or u have to modify anything?
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  413. [13:20:52] <magnet> the panel had to be programmmed.but a friend did it.
  414. [13:21:13] <magnet> I think think the seller on that website will do it for free.
  415. [13:22:17] <rupeshgujare> k. and which LCD + touch screen u r planning for? My final aim is to add LCD + Touch screen to beagle board
  416. [13:23:50] <magnet> the lcd is toshiba LTD104KA1S 10.'4 inch 1027x768
  417. [13:24:13] <magnet> I didn't received the touchscreen still.
  418. [13:24:32] <magnet> heh it's 1024x768 .
  419. [13:24:36] <rupeshgujare> ok.
  420. [13:25:00] <rupeshgujare> what abt lillyput ? http://www.geek.com/articles/xyzcomputing/lilliput-cl8889nt-8-inch-touch-screen-lcd-20061114/
  421. [13:26:00] <magnet> how much does it cost ?
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  423. [13:27:06] <magnet> also I don't see any dvi input, you'll need adaptor.
  424. [13:27:11] <rupeshgujare> a bit costly around $250
  425. [13:27:25] <magnet> sesh so I don't like it lol :)
  426. [13:27:25] <rupeshgujare> looks like it have S-video input
  427. [13:28:03] <raster> bb isnt the thing u want if u want to go attaching touchpnel lcd's to it
  428. [13:28:06] <raster> (small ones)
  429. [13:28:13] <raster> really you probably want to get the pandora
  430. [13:28:25] <raster> as u'll spend a lot less to get the same thing
  431. [13:30:03] <magnet> sometimes DIY is funnier !
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  433. [13:32:09] <rupeshgujare> raster: how much pandora costs?
  434. [13:32:37] <raster> um $400
  435. [13:32:57] <raster> www.openpandora.org
  436. [13:33:15] <raster> in addition to screen u get a keyboard, joypads, wifi, bt, and a bunch of other stuff
  437. [13:33:26] <raster> (and a omap 3530)
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  439. [13:34:32] <rupeshgujare> raster:ohhh ... now i m already having bb, so another $400 will be costly. any other cheap LCD + Touch solution?
  440. [13:35:12] <raster> none
  441. [13:35:17] <raster> they are all really expensive
  442. [13:35:22] <raster> if you buy them in single units
  443. [13:35:36] <raster> also the bb has no lcd controls available as its all wired to the dvi out chip
  444. [13:35:43] <raster> so u also need a dvi->lcd controlelr attached
  445. [13:35:51] <raster> the problem is you basically are looking for something very niceh
  446. [13:36:02] <raster> and it likely will end up costing more than $400
  447. [13:36:14] <raster> so $400 for w aholw new pandora may seem a lot
  448. [13:36:26] <raster> but it likely is less than the alternative of "doy screen"
  449. [13:36:28] <raster> :)_
  450. [13:36:35] <muriani> oh, $400 is a steal for all that's there.
  451. [13:37:04] <rupeshgujare> raster: thanks raster
  452. [13:37:14] <raster> or was it $300?
  453. [13:37:22] <muriani> I think it was $300 originally
  454. [13:37:34] <muriani> I assumed there was a price increase? :p
  455. [13:37:36] <raster> no$330
  456. [13:37:42] <raster> there u go
  457. [13:38:34] <raster> no
  458. [13:42:48] <jsync> why OE doesnt contain libtheora ??? atleast i didnt find it inside openembedded/packages folder.
  459. [13:42:55] <valhalla> there will be a price increase, but it shouldn't be much
  460. [13:43:38] <jsync> pardon me if it is wrong to ask here ...
  461. [13:45:31] <DJWillis> jsync: not wrong but you may also want to try in somewhere like #angstrom
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  463. [13:54:25] <magnet> lvds controller is needed only when using a bare panel, using a screen like liliput just require an adaptor.
  464. [13:54:56] <magnet> also panels are not too expensive, around 150$.
  465. [13:55:22] <koen> jsync: libtheora_0.9+1.0alpha7.bb isn't libtheora?
  466. [13:56:12] <_AV500_> liliput has no Digital input, but BB has only digital DVI
  467. [13:56:42] <magnet> just a dvi/vga adaptor is needed no ?
  468. [13:56:59] <magnet> like on a desktop lcd.
  469. [13:57:01] <_AV500_> no, the BB DVI is digital only, it has no analog signals
  470. [13:57:13] <jsync> as i said, i didnt find any folder name libtheora inside openembedded/packages folder
  471. [13:57:39] <_AV500_> on your desktop, the DVI output is "mixed" digital and analog, on the BB it is only digital
  472. [13:58:33] <jsync> koen: i just found it inside libogg.
  473. [13:59:05] <DJWillis> jsync: would make sense, its and ogg codec
  474. [13:59:18] <DJWillis> and = an of course ;-)
  475. [13:59:20] <magnet> _AV500_: I see, that liliput need analog ?
  476. [13:59:24] <_AV500_> yep
  477. [13:59:46] <magnet> now I really don't like it :)
  478. [13:59:48] <_AV500_> I do not believe it has a digital input
  479. [14:00:44] <_AV500_> so you could only use svideo with the BB...
  480. [14:00:56] <jsync> DJWillis: its odd that i found libvorbis in the packages folder but not theora. vorbis too uses the ogg data container
  481. [14:01:27] <rupeshgujare> i believe lilliput supports s-video input ?
  482. [14:01:30] <DJWillis> jsync: that is odd I will agree, never looked into it.
  483. [14:02:14] <rupeshgujare> http://www.geek.com/articles/xyzcomputing/lilliput-cl8889nt-8-inch-touch-screen-lcd-20061114/
  484. [14:02:32] <_AV500_> rupeshgujare: yes, but by definition PAL/NTSC is 720pixels only (much less in practice) so 800x480 will be hard to use
  485. [14:02:58] <magnet> koen: I noticed a few bugs in angstrom bb image, should I talk to you about it ?
  486. [14:03:17] <rupeshgujare> raster: looks like pandora is already sold out, and will be available in march2009
  487. [14:03:35] <raster> first batch is
  488. [14:03:40] <raster> i have my foot in that door
  489. [14:03:47] <raster> but i have to re-do my order with credit card again
  490. [14:03:50] <raster> thanks to their bank mess
  491. [14:04:43] <rupeshgujare> raster: ohh... difficult to wait till march for pandora..
  492. [14:04:51] <koen> magnet: send a mail to the angstrom mailinglist :)
  493. [14:05:02] <rupeshgujare> need to find some alternate solution
  494. [14:05:37] <koen> jkridner: my dummies book arrived :)
  495. [14:06:03] <magnet> koen: allright, I wasn't sure it was the right place.
  496. [14:06:10] <DJWillis> koen: that was quick. Still waiting for mine. Is it looking any good?
  497. [14:06:16] <_AV500_> koen: so DSP accelerated video in a week :-?
  498. [14:06:25] <raster> koen: it looks like the dummies book was only being delivered in the states?
  499. [14:06:42] <koen> raster: they delivered it to .nl
  500. [14:06:49] <jkridner> great!
  501. [14:06:53] <jkridner> good morning all
  502. [14:06:55] <koen> I got the "out of stock" snail mail yesterday
  503. [14:08:51] <raster> koen: bugger. i was going to order it
  504. [14:08:54] <raster> oh well
  505. [14:09:21] <koen> it's quite interesting
  506. [14:09:21] <muriani> one of my friends in the UK got in on the first batch
  507. [14:10:10] <jkridner> rupeshgujare: too bad that screen doesn't support digital inputs
  508. [14:10:25] <jkridner> raster: he got the book the next day
  509. [14:10:53] <muriani> yeahk, you'd think a screen with digital inputs would be cheaper... no extra hardware for analog->digital conversion.
  510. [14:11:14] <rupeshgujare> jkridner: ok
  511. [14:11:16] <raster> jkridner: the form didnt allow you to enter country in anywhere
  512. [14:11:20] <raster> just state
  513. [14:11:27] <raster> at least when i looked a few days ago
  514. [14:11:49] <rupeshgujare> any idea when pandora will start accepting orders?
  515. [14:13:05] <jkridner> raster: somehow koen managed to input a country.
  516. [14:13:18] <jkridner> rupeshgujare: I thought they already took pre-orders.
  517. [14:13:25] <DJWillis> rupeshgujare: I suspect that the 1st batch will be out the door and in hands before more orders are taken.
  518. [14:14:00] <raster> jkridner: no idea where
  519. [14:14:02] <raster> :)
  520. [14:14:16] <jkridner> ah, I see they haven't restarted credit card reorders, only bank orders.
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  522. [14:16:15] <rupeshgujare> jkridner: so they are not accepting orders by bank or credit card either right now ?
  523. [14:16:42] <jkridner> I thought they were taking bank orders, unless they re-sold-out.
  524. [14:19:39] <rupeshgujare> i was searching on http://www.openpandora.org/ for a page, where i can order by any means. but not finding any link.
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  526. [14:32:51] <sakoman> rupeshgujare: gumstix should soon have an LCD/TS option for their OMAP35XX product line
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  529. [14:35:24] <raster> sakoman: indedd you do
  530. [14:35:33] <raster> tho not a 3530
  531. [14:35:37] <raster> :(
  532. [14:35:44] <raster> (yet)
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  534. [14:39:23] <rupeshgujare> sakoman: can u provide any link for exact product ? and when it is expected to be available?
  535. [14:39:36] <raster> gumstix overo
  536. [14:39:40] <raster> on the gumstix website
  537. [14:39:47] <sakoman> raster: there are 3530 protos that I have verified for gumstix. just checked their site and there is no target ship date announced
  538. [14:39:54] <raster> but u'd need to get the overoa cpu board
  539. [14:40:00] <raster> as the lcd connector is an expansion for it
  540. [14:40:05] <sakoman> http://www.gumstix.net/Hardware/view/Hardware/Product-Roadmap-Overo/112.html
  541. [14:40:35] <khasim> sakoman: hi
  542. [14:40:37] <raster> u'd need to get the overo mainboard+lcd expander board + ts lcd
  543. [14:41:10] <khasim> sakoman: have you tried flashing OE uImage on Overo using the latest u-boot?
  544. [14:41:16] <sakoman> rupeshgujare: If you you like to "do it yourself" with an add on board the signals are available on the overo expansion connector
  545. [14:41:55] <sakoman> khasim: I believe the last time I tried that was this past Friday
  546. [14:42:05] <sakoman> worked with no problem
  547. [14:42:33] <sakoman> khasim: are you having problems?
  548. [14:42:39] <rupeshgujare> sakoman: thanks
  549. [14:43:37] <khasim> sakoman: I get some errors not crossing the sector boundary
  550. [14:43:57] <khasim> sakoman: do you have the instructions / address range that you specify for uImage?
  551. [14:43:57] <sakoman> rupeshgujare: I verified the first LCD/TS a couple of weeks ago so I know it isn't too difficult
  552. [14:44:34] <sakoman> khasim: I never use uboot to flash anything other than x-load and the u-boot env
  553. [14:44:52] <sakoman> I use linux mtd-utils for that
  554. [14:44:59] <khasim> sakoman: ok
  555. [14:45:07] <sakoman> even gumstix production uses mtd-utils
  556. [14:45:18] <khasim> sakoman: I think there is some problem with the sector boundaries, I need to verify the same.
  557. [14:45:30] <khasim> sakoman: in u-boot
  558. [14:46:15] <sakoman> khasim: if you get a chance, pastebin your results and perhaps some of us could try to reproduce your issue
  559. [14:46:29] <khasim> sakoman: yes, will do that
  560. [14:46:34] <sakoman> going to leave for a bit to get some coffee :-)
  561. [14:46:47] <sakoman> still very early morning here
  562. [14:47:14] <sakoman> and my brain isn't fully engaged!
  563. [14:48:38] <raster> why oh why does my internet have to suck now
  564. [14:48:48] <raster> couldnt this have happened whil iwas away travelling or something
  565. [14:48:55] <raster> this oe build is going to take an eternity
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  568. [14:58:49] <koen> raster: have you tried letting -c fetchall running overnight?
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  570. [15:00:19] <raster> koen: it'll be going for days
  571. [15:00:25] <raster> koen: on 32kbit
  572. [15:00:26] <raster> :)
  573. [15:00:40] <raster> compiling time is nothing comapred to fetching
  574. [15:00:44] <raster> :)
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  576. [15:09:13] <sakoman> raster: my main development machine's hard drive died yesterday
  577. [15:09:26] <raster> oh man that's gotta suck
  578. [15:09:28] <sakoman> so I have to face that pain later today
  579. [15:09:33] <muriani> ouch
  580. [15:09:37] <sakoman> no kidding.
  581. [15:09:40] <mru> raid? backups?
  582. [15:09:45] <raster> at least u can face it with a decent network
  583. [15:09:48] <sakoman> I have backups
  584. [15:09:57] <raster> spent most of the day rebuilding the box?
  585. [15:10:02] <raster> ie re-installing
  586. [15:10:10] <raster> setting up al lyour fave packages/config
  587. [15:10:14] <sakoman> yeah, installed the new hard drive last night
  588. [15:10:20] <raster> snarfing the multiple gb tarballs/rsync trees
  589. [15:10:21] <muriani> yeeeah, that's always fun.
  590. [15:10:21] <raster> etc.
  591. [15:10:36] <raster> i normally have to wait an hour or 3 just for rsync
  592. [15:10:45] <sakoman> trying to see if I can recover work in progress using a Ubuntu live CD right now
  593. [15:10:51] <raster> not including the re-install, add (and download) all the useful packages
  594. [15:10:57] <raster> adn the config tweaks
  595. [15:11:29] <raster> i just thank my lucky stars i regularly rsync (several time sa day) all my home dir stuff to several other boxes
  596. [15:11:39] <raster> there's always at least 1 copy around
  597. [15:11:41] <raster> if not 2 or 3
  598. [15:11:59] <raster> but it still sucks losing a day in the recovery process
  599. [15:11:59] <sakoman> I think I've recovered everything except a couple of hours of work on the overo lcd/ts code
  600. [15:12:25] <raster> well not too much lost
  601. [15:12:31] <sakoman> but definitely lot a day of work
  602. [15:12:36] <sakoman> lost that is
  603. [15:13:02] <raster> yeah
  604. [15:13:02] <raster> sucks man
  605. [15:13:06] <raster> oh well
  606. [15:13:10] <raster> comes with the territory
  607. [15:13:21] <sakoman> yup, once every few years
  608. [15:13:23] <raster> maybe set up a cron job to rsync all your code trees every 30 mins?
  609. [15:13:43] <sakoman> teaches you to be good about backups and checking in your work often
  610. [15:13:52] <raster> yeah
  611. [15:13:54] <raster> i do that too
  612. [15:14:04] <sakoman> raster: you are reading my mind on the rsync :-)
  613. [15:14:05] <raster> though i often keep local "blobs of work" i havent committed yet
  614. [15:14:22] <raster> and then there is lways some other thing u havent svn/cvs/git added yet
  615. [15:14:24] <raster> or checked in
  616. [15:14:26] <raster> or somethingt
  617. [15:14:26] <sakoman> yup - that is the lcd/ts work I was referring to
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  619. [15:14:29] <raster> whatever it is
  620. [15:14:32] <raster> its probably in ~/
  621. [15:14:37] <raster> so mayaswell rsync ~/ around
  622. [15:15:01] <raster> for me rsync is also the way my personal config, mail archives and current mboxes, etc. follow me from box to box
  623. [15:15:05] <sakoman> ah, it looks like I got that work back!
  624. [15:15:06] <raster> ie before i "go off"
  625. [15:15:08] <raster> rsync to laptop
  626. [15:15:13] <raster> and then walk away
  627. [15:15:18] <raster> have a complete copy of everything with me
  628. [15:15:25] <raster> never a "shit - i left that at home" when on the road
  629. [15:15:27] <raster> :)
  630. [15:15:49] <sakoman> sounds like a good process
  631. [15:16:03] <raster> yeah
  632. [15:16:10] <raster> has doubled as a backup mechanism too for years
  633. [15:16:18] <raster> as i rsync to my laptop to "back up"
  634. [15:16:30] <raster> and to my media box under the tv (The home server)
  635. [15:16:56] <sakoman> well it looks like I may come out of this with no significant losses other than time
  636. [15:16:56] <raster> and my mini-tix server thats right now acting as an over-engineered serial port
  637. [15:17:03] <raster> (as its the only machine i have that has a serial port)
  638. [15:17:21] <raster> thats good
  639. [15:17:23] <sakoman> heh, I don't have any machines with a real serial port
  640. [15:17:26] <raster> less work to re-do
  641. [15:17:29] <raster> hehe
  642. [15:17:32] <raster> only have 1
  643. [15:17:49] <raster> i was a bit amazed that beagle didnt have uboot set up with a usb serial device by default
  644. [15:17:52] <raster> i was expecting that
  645. [15:17:56] <raster> but nooooo
  646. [15:18:03] <raster> u need a REAL serial device
  647. [15:18:17] <raster> totally bizarre when uboot can do usb gagdet+serial device emulation
  648. [15:18:21] <koen> raster: there's no usb support *at all* in uboot for omap3
  649. [15:18:35] <raster> koen: really?
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  651. [15:18:39] <raster> that'd explain that
  652. [15:18:39] <koen> yes
  653. [15:18:46] <muriani> o.0
  654. [15:18:56] <raster> i was just expecting it to do it
  655. [15:19:03] <raster> thus i didnt prepare and have a serial port handy
  656. [15:19:03] <raster> :)
  657. [15:19:07] <koen> the TI guys said they'd send a patch for it to the uboot ml last week
  658. [15:19:16] <raster> aaah
  659. [15:19:19] <raster> that'd be awesome
  660. [15:19:19] <jkridner|web> anyone else play with koen's 2.6.28 build from yesterday?
  661. [15:19:19] * koen has 3 serial-> usb adaptors
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  663. [15:19:30] <raster> one less painful entry barrier to remove
  664. [15:19:50] <dcordes_> jkridner|web: no but I'd like to try. where are the koen builds?
  665. [15:19:53] <raster> and angstrom doesnt seem to bring up a usbnet gadget either
  666. [15:20:00] <raster> which is kinda sucky
  667. [15:20:01] <raster> :(
  668. [15:20:14] <jkridner|web> if anyone wants to play with the early, early usb stuff I've been given for u-boot, that is possible. not ready to be pushed.
  669. [15:20:23] <koen> raster: 2.6.27 forces one to choose between host and gadget
  670. [15:20:26] <koen> 2.6.28 allows both
  671. [15:20:28] <raster> (my treo, freerunner and zaurus all do)
  672. [15:20:37] <raster> oooh ok
  673. [15:20:42] <dcordes_> jkridner|web: I'm ready to try. my beagle gained too much dust
  674. [15:20:59] <jkridner|web> I heard from one of the ridgerun guys that they might enter usb support in u-boot into the software design contest.
  675. [15:21:06] <muriani> I miss my Zaurus.
  676. [15:21:32] <raster> so i as just baffled omap didn thave it when everythign else i have did it out of the box
  677. [15:21:50] <raster> (ooh so convenient to just have some usb0/1/2/3 pop up that i can just ssh to)
  678. [15:21:59] <sakoman> jkridner|web: we should make sure that they submit omap3-dev based patches for their entry :-)
  679. [15:22:38] <raster> i do have to say tho
  680. [15:22:43] <raster> this baby boots fast
  681. [15:23:16] <koen> raster: disabling the E splash screen makes e come up almost instantaniously
  682. [15:23:20] <jkridner> sakoman: I believe that is the case.
  683. [15:23:25] <muriani> hahaha
  684. [15:23:31] <jkridner> I had to merge your branch to apply the current patch.
  685. [15:23:35] <raster> koen: e should come up pretty fast in the bg
  686. [15:23:44] <raster> thje splash just covers up the intermediate stages
  687. [15:23:47] <muriani> yeah, compiling E is my next project on the mpc5121e
  688. [15:24:09] <jkridner> koen: I'm still not getting gadget RNDIS to work.
  689. [15:24:10] <koen> muriani: use OE, it works for powerpc as well
  690. [15:24:14] <raster> it also artifically adds about 2-3 seconds as when splash gets the "ok ready to go" signal from e
  691. [15:24:16] * koen had e running on his efika
  692. [15:24:19] * jkridner goes digging for a CATC USB bus analyzer.
  693. [15:24:20] <raster> it "shuts down" with a fade-out
  694. [15:24:21] <raster> etc.
  695. [15:24:25] <muriani> yeah, I had e on the efika
  696. [15:24:56] <jkridner> raster: I hope to have that removed on Rev C. I find it quite annoying and remove it on Beagles I use.
  697. [15:25:15] <sakoman> jkridner: a USB bus analyzer would make a great contest prize!
  698. [15:25:22] <raster> wow
  699. [15:25:26] <raster> 16m/sec io from sd
  700. [15:25:27] <jkridner> raster: it served a purpose in test, but can be solved with a boot.scr that calls a test function.
  701. [15:25:37] <jkridner> :)
  702. [15:25:38] <raster> man.. i've been used to freerunner crud for too long
  703. [15:25:46] <raster> that 16m/sec amazes me
  704. [15:25:48] <muriani> I dunno how much of OE will run on the 5121, it ran well on the 5200 though
  705. [15:26:41] <muriani> it's just that we're stuck with a non-accelerated X currently.
  706. [15:27:14] <koen> raster: it's limited by the sd card you use :)
  707. [15:28:03] <raster> koen: well this sd card.. has an acceptable limit
  708. [15:28:06] <raster> :)
  709. [15:28:14] <raster> at least its the CARd thats the bottleneck
  710. [15:28:18] <koen> mine top out at 15MB/s, as it says on the package
  711. [15:28:21] <raster> not the damn interface/hw/software
  712. [15:28:36] <koen> raster: nand does 10MB/s without proper DMA
  713. [15:28:45] <koen> last time I tried
  714. [15:28:46] <raster> min seem to vary from 15 to 16.6
  715. [15:29:06] <koen> tehre are some patches to add prefetch dma or something to nand
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  717. [15:29:32] <raster> jkridner: annoying - the lack of usbnet or usb serial for uboot?
  718. [15:29:34] <sakoman> koen: I was surprised at how slow nand is - I expected better
  719. [15:29:36] <raster> or e's splash?
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  721. [15:30:09] <raster> yeah
  722. [15:30:14] <koen> sakoman: judging from the patches TI guys keep sending the driver is rather suboptimal
  723. [15:30:17] <raster> nand seems to chug at 2.5m/s
  724. [15:30:39] <raster> i'd expect a factor of 5x-10x that
  725. [15:30:49] <raster> considering what sd gets you...
  726. [15:30:50] <raster> :)
  727. [15:31:14] <raster> muriani: are the 2d accel bits of x already known/done?
  728. [15:31:19] <raster> i though that info was "open"
  729. [15:31:21] <koen> raster: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/cms/sd-and-nand-read-speeds
  730. [15:31:26] <raster> just the sgx 2d core was the bad-blob
  731. [15:31:28] <raster> ?
  732. [15:32:29] <muriani> No.
  733. [15:32:37] <muriani> well, not for the MBX
  734. [15:32:42] <raster> koen: i get much lower nand speeds
  735. [15:32:45] <muriani> I'm not sure what differences there are.
  736. [15:32:54] <raster> root@beagleboard:~# time dd if=/dev/mtdblock4 of=/dev/null bs=1048576 count=100
  737. [15:32:58] <muriani> we have the powervr 3d services
  738. [15:33:01] <raster> 100+0 records in
  739. [15:33:01] <raster> 100+0 records out
  740. [15:33:01] <raster> real 0m 39.46s
  741. [15:33:28] <muriani> but X is using xfbdev... and that's SLOOOW with xfce.
  742. [15:33:30] <raster> muriani: i thoght yuv +scaling was solved/known, 2d blits and fills?
  743. [15:33:51] <muriani> no idea. It has been on OMAP, I think.
  744. [15:33:59] <muriani> but it hasn't jumped the fence to ppc.
  745. [15:34:25] <raster> ooh ppc side
  746. [15:34:25] <muriani> (and I'm not quite savvy enough yet to implement it)
  747. [15:34:27] <muriani> yeeeah
  748. [15:34:30] <raster> i was talking omap
  749. [15:34:33] <raster> :)
  750. [15:34:36] <muriani> powervr mbx vs sgx
  751. [15:34:48] <raster> aaah never mind
  752. [15:34:51] <raster> sorry :)
  753. [15:34:53] <muriani> hehe
  754. [15:34:55] <raster> was thinkign sgx
  755. [15:35:09] <muriani> e's just my next project on there, getting that rolling
  756. [15:35:14] <raster> (given this is #beagle ... and thats my.. frame of mind)
  757. [15:35:17] <raster> :)
  758. [15:35:19] <muriani> yeah, I know :p
  759. [15:35:26] <koen> raster: http://cgit.pingu.fi/xf86-video-omapfb/
  760. [15:35:30] <raster> e shouldnt much care
  761. [15:35:39] <raster> rendering is pretyt much a software thing
  762. [15:35:42] <muriani> eah, I had it on the efika like koen mentioned
  763. [15:35:44] <muriani> right
  764. [15:36:03] <raster> so its just burning cpu cycles to generate pixels then pumping them to the screen as fast as its little feet can carry them
  765. [15:36:12] <muriani> yup.
  766. [15:36:15] <raster> moving windows tho will be out of the pipeline
  767. [15:36:20] <muriani> and THEN running apps on top of it!
  768. [15:36:24] <raster> as that will then be using x's internal blits
  769. [15:36:43] <jkridner> raster: annoying -- the 3 second sound tone at the start of u-boot.
  770. [15:36:43] <raster> u could try the xrender engine
  771. [15:36:51] <raster> that'd push the rendering to x-side
  772. [15:36:58] <raster> but u'd better have a pretty fully accelerated xrender
  773. [15:37:00] <raster> :)
  774. [15:37:14] <raster> jkridner: ooh that. dont have it plugged in - thus hasnt annoyed me yet
  775. [15:37:17] <raster> except for the pause
  776. [15:37:20] <muriani> yeah, that doesn't exist yet :p
  777. [15:37:28] <raster> but i'm so used to sluggishness of freerunenr stuff
  778. [15:37:31] <raster> and my ancient treo650
  779. [15:37:33] <jkridner> raster: the pause is enough to annoy me.
  780. [15:37:34] <raster> or zaurus
  781. [15:37:36] <raster> that i barely notice
  782. [15:37:39] <raster> :)
  783. [15:37:41] <jkridner> I also reset bootdelay to 1.
  784. [15:37:57] <koen> jkridner: and use rootwait?
  785. [15:37:57] <muriani> I'm waiting on revC for beagleboard
  786. [15:38:11] <jkridner> koen: and use rootwait
  787. [15:38:25] <raster> koen: sv seems done
  788. [15:38:33] <raster> err xv
  789. [15:38:34] <raster> hmm
  790. [15:38:46] <jkridner> I have hacked u-boot that ignores the on-board flash and just uses boot.scr as well.
  791. [15:39:02] <jkridner> that way, I bring everything on the SD card, no matter what the flash has.
  792. [15:39:24] <raster> jkridner: you work for TI - right?
  793. [15:39:37] <jkridner> I do.
  794. [15:40:14] <raster> ballpark - 3530 (with the stacked ram and flash) in a few k quantities - what does it go for?
  795. [15:40:34] <raster> i thought i saw pricing in the range of $30-$40
  796. [15:40:40] <raster> but i may be confusing it with other soc's
  797. [15:40:41] <raster> :)
  798. [15:41:00] <raster> ($58 from resellers for 100u - which is fairly low qty)
  799. [15:42:11] <jkridner> dirk2: patch detects my Rev C1 as a Rev Ax/Bx.
  800. [15:42:24] <jkridner> oh, no dirk2 here.
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  803. [15:43:09] <jkridner> I haven't followed the whole GPIO pull-down/up/etc. stuff too closely, so I don't know what it is meant to detect.
  804. [15:43:52] <muriani> hmm, when is revC1 to be released?
  805. [15:44:05] <jkridner> March
  806. [15:44:29] <jkridner> But, a good entry in the software design contest can get you one in a couple weeks.
  807. [15:44:56] <koen> the postman just dropped off a new acryllic case and mini-a cables
  808. [15:45:29] <jkridner> special computing specials?
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  810. [15:45:50] <muriani> march? nooooooo
  811. [15:45:57] <muriani> I don't know if I can wait :/
  812. [15:46:46] * jkridner couldn't find my catc, so I must have left it at the office. this is meant to be my vacation time.
  813. [15:47:04] <koen> jkridner: yes
  814. [15:47:14] <koen> $8.50 for a mini-a cable is pretty cheap
  815. [15:48:00] <jkridner> BTW, I've asked them for an ad to put on the homepage of beagleboard.org.
  816. [15:48:07] <eFfeM> i saw them on ebay for $ 8, free shipping
  817. [15:48:12] <eFfeM> the mini-a cables
  818. [15:48:26] <jkridner> nice.
  819. [15:49:11] <jkridner> previous supplier's prices weren't too bad either, really, but they were getting too many orders from non-educational customers to be happy.
  820. [15:53:06] <koen> sakoman: did you have usb working on the evm?
  821. [15:53:17] <koen> sakoman: it seems the evm doesn't use TWL for otg
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  823. [15:58:07] <sakoman> koen: I did - it was many weeks ago
  824. [15:58:22] <sakoman> I seem to recall that there are jumper options to use twl
  825. [16:04:17] <Crofton|work> koen, can you pastebin the gnuradio fix you mentioned? Or did you push it?
  826. [16:04:40] * MostAwesomeDude is now known as MAD|dentistry
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  828. [16:06:35] <koen> Crofton|work: I already pushed it
  829. [16:06:42] <Crofton|work> great
  830. [16:10:12] * Crofton|work is trying to figure out if he has the flu or percocet withdrawal ....
  831. [16:10:46] <koen> or both
  832. [16:10:50] <Crofton|work> heh
  833. [16:16:46] <Crofton|work> what's annoying is I was at the low end of taking it for three weeks and down to one a day for a couple of days
  834. [16:16:50] <Crofton|work> now I feel like crap
  835. [16:18:15] <koen> I dislike painkillers
  836. [16:18:24] <koen> thankfully I haven't really needed them yet
  837. [16:19:08] * koen remembers a trip to the dentist where 8 shots didn't do the job
  838. [16:19:38] <Crofton|work> urg
  839. [16:19:54] <Crofton|work> I am developing a severe dislike for Percocet
  840. [16:19:58] <koen> it kicked in after the holes where drilled and filled
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  842. [16:20:25] <dirk2> jkridner: I read the logs, thanks for testing the U-Boot patch, could you pastebin the output?
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  844. [16:21:23] <jkridner|web> http://pastebin.com/m721cb9ab
  845. [16:21:35] <jkridner|web> I'm not sure why the board shows up as 128MB either.
  846. [16:22:37] <dirk2> jkridner|web: The 0x19 in 0x04801900 does mean it seems that GPIO_171 and 172 are high.
  847. [16:22:37] <koen> this is why I love kdrive: http://pastebin.com/d8908868
  848. [16:22:42] <koen> </sarcasm>
  849. [16:23:28] <jkridner|web> I don't know.
  850. [16:24:17] <dirk2> jkridner|web: So (a) my code configuring GPIOs is wrong or (b) there are no pull downs (that are strong enough for internal pull ups). Do you like Gerald to check?
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  853. [16:27:43] <jkridner|web> do those pins come to headers anywhere?
  854. [16:28:02] <jkridner|web> I don't have Rev C1 schematics handy. Not sure if they are published yet.
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  860. [16:32:25] <dirk2> jkridner|web: header: I don't know, no public rev C1 schematics yet. At rev B these pins are not connected at all, so I can't test.
  861. [16:33:25] <jkridner> I'm further confused by why this version of u-boot shows 128MB, but can ignore that for now.
  862. [16:33:32] <jkridner> always a chance I applied the patch wrong...
  863. [16:33:45] <jkridner> I seem to still be fumbling with git.
  864. [16:34:47] <jkridner> it could be that he has these on resistors that aren't populated yet.
  865. [16:35:01] <jkridner> which is what would create Rev C2.
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  867. [16:37:11] <jkridner> I see an R112 on this board that isn't on Rev B.
  868. [16:37:47] <dirk2> jkridner: Gerald wrote "All we have are Rev C1 which do have the resistors in them. "
  869. [16:38:14] <jkridner> k
  870. [16:39:52] <jkridner> I see 10k pulldowns on GPIO171 and GPIO172
  871. [16:40:05] <jkridner> 10K is pretty weak.
  872. [16:41:21] <jkridner> not sure how you detect that against no resister at all. would work fine for detection if Rev B had pull-ups there.
  873. [16:42:46] <khasim> jkridner: I have REV C schematics, what are we looking for?
  874. [16:44:05] <dirk2> khasim: We are looking for pull downs at GPIO171 and GPIO172 for Rev C
  875. [16:45:21] <jkridner> I have the schematics now.
  876. [16:45:37] <khasim> ok
  877. [16:45:41] <jkridner> I found that GPIO_172 is not pulled down on my particular board.
  878. [16:45:55] <dirk2> khasim: I configured IGPIO171 and GPIO172 as interal pull up: IEN | PTU | EN | M4 Not sure if interal PTU is fine for 10k external pull down.
  879. [16:45:58] <jkridner> the resistor is not populated (R112).
  880. [16:46:04] <jkridner> khasim: did you get your Rev C1?
  881. [16:46:48] <jkridner> if I had any 10k resistors, I could try populating R112 to test the code, but I do not.
  882. [16:46:53] <khasim> jkridner: I didn't see any mail from the mailroom, I don't know if they are operational
  883. [16:47:01] <jkridner> not sure if this is an assembly error or not.
  884. [16:47:15] <jkridner> :(
  885. [16:48:07] <dirk2> jkridner: Independent of assembly error or not, the 0x19 in 0x04801900 means that both are high.
  886. [16:48:37] <khasim> dirk2: the pins are anyway pulled down externally,
  887. [16:48:50] <khasim> dirk2: what are we using these pins for?
  888. [16:49:02] <jkridner> board revision detection.
  889. [16:49:07] <dirk2> khasim: Rev C detection
  890. [16:49:20] <dirk2> khasim: We shall read them low to know we are on Rev C
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  892. [16:49:41] <dirk2> khasim: And rev Ax/Bx shall have them high
  893. [16:50:17] <dirk2> khasim: and while rev Ax/Bx have no external pull up/down, I assume we have to enable internal pull ups
  894. [16:51:05] <dirk2> khasim: to make this work, external pull downs on rev C have to be strong enough to pull pins down with internal pull ups enabled.
  895. [16:51:17] <dirk2> khasim: At least this is what I understand ;)
  896. [16:52:12] <dirk2> khasim, jkridner: Gerald wrote: "The pulldowns may be too small. I have not been able to look at this myself, but you can short the resisotrs out to give it a hard low."
  897. [16:52:19] <khasim> dirk2: what does it show when we read these GPIO pins
  898. [16:52:33] <jkridner> R113 might not have a silkscreen entry. :(
  899. [16:52:40] <dirk2> khasim: See above 0x04801900
  900. [16:53:19] <dirk2> khasim: GPIO_171 == GPIO6.11 and GPIO_172 == GPIO6.12
  901. [16:53:51] <dirk2> khasim: the 0x19 in 0x04801900 does mean GPIO6.11 and GPIO6.12 are high
  902. [16:54:09] * jkridner goes back to applying usbtty patches.
  903. [16:55:05] <dirk2> jkridner: ok. For the moment I will assume that the code seems to be fine and we need strong pull downs.
  904. [16:55:43] <khasim> dirk2: why 0x04801900 shouldn't it be 0x48019000
  905. [16:56:19] <jkridner> sounds right. I'm certain GPIO_172 has none on my board, but that this will be populated on production boards.
  906. [16:56:37] <jkridner> This will be checked.
  907. [16:57:08] <khasim> 0x49058000 is what TRM says
  908. [16:57:36] <jkridner> khasim: odd: http://pastebin.com/m721cb9ab
  909. [16:58:21] <dirk2> khasim: 0x04801900 is GPIO6.11 and GPIO6.12 while 0x48019000 would be GPIO6.15 and GPIO6.16 ?
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  911. [16:59:14] <khasim> dirk2: ok, 0x04801900 is the data, I was thinking it as address... :(
  912. [16:59:34] <dirk2> khasim: yes, data ;)
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  914. [17:00:36] * khasim will wait for his rev C
  915. [17:01:38] <dirk2> koen, mru: Regarding jkridner's 128MB vs 256MB memory size detection issue: Do you still have your super beagles and could test if recent U-Boot still correctly detects 256MB?
  916. [17:01:53] <koen> yes and yes
  917. [17:02:01] <dirk2> :)
  918. [17:02:11] <koen> do you have a binary I can test?
  919. [17:02:27] <mru> can't test anything with u-boot until next week
  920. [17:02:57] <mru> do you have reason to believe it might not work?
  921. [17:03:00] <dirk2> koen: binary: mru's 256MB detection patches are in every U-Boot since some month, so your standard U-Boot should work.
  922. [17:03:46] * jkridner provided koen with a binary, but doesn't want the world poking around at the URL.
  923. [17:03:47] <dirk2> mru: jkridner wonders why his 256MB are detected as 128MB, and we did a lot of clean up the last weeks ;)
  924. [17:04:03] <jkridner> I probably screwed up a merge somewhere.
  925. [17:04:10] <geckosenator> too bad you can't stack as much memory on as you like
  926. [17:04:18] <mru> jkridner: is the board different somehow?
  927. [17:04:27] <koen> a beagle with 4GB would be awesome :)
  928. [17:04:29] <jkridner> the git history is the same as what dirk2 shared for this rev c detection patch.
  929. [17:04:42] <mru> koen: you can't that much memory on a cortex-a8
  930. [17:04:43] <khasim> dirk2: I also see some issues in flashing uImage on NAND with latest u-boot...
  931. [17:04:49] <mru> not enough address bits...
  932. [17:05:02] <jkridner> mru: the board is rev c1, with EHCI on port 2, but the memory should be the same as your rev c0.
  933. [17:05:07] <khasim> dirk2: I checked with sakoman, he uses mtd utils... I will paste a log
  934. [17:05:14] <geckosenator> koen: it would be really tall with 256mb parts stacked up
  935. [17:05:17] <dirk2> khasim: Yes, I read the log. yes, pastbin
  936. [17:05:58] <khasim> has any one tried using u-boot to flash uImage
  937. [17:05:59] * jkridner flashes back to LIM paged (Expanded) memory.
  938. [17:06:30] <mru> oh, the pain
  939. [17:06:47] <dirk2> khasim: I don't
  940. [17:07:22] <gregoiregentil> Koen: Was there a problem with 48b4495cdae4a4bc2bc65902f3214c1b084be01d of ffmpeg? I'm getting a SIGSEGV "0x449ce70c in ff_simple_idct_put_neon () from /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.52" and I saw that you have upgraded ffmpeg OE five hours ago?
  941. [17:07:46] <mru> gregoiregentil: yes, the update will fix that
  942. [17:07:54] <mru> broken linker and csl refuse to fix
  943. [17:07:57] <koen> jkridner, dirk2: http://pastebin.com/m4a08e15e
  944. [17:08:03] <gregoiregentil> OK. thanks
  945. [17:08:12] <koen> jkridner, dirk2: why did uboot environment change *again*?
  946. [17:08:37] <jkridner> me checks out the RAM markings on my C1...
  947. [17:09:12] * jkridner see 8RA98 JM192
  948. [17:09:37] * jkridner visits http://www.micron.com/products/mcps/beagleboard
  949. [17:10:36] <jkridner> oops, that was JW192
  950. [17:10:55] <jkridner> ah, my Rev C1 only has 128MB!
  951. [17:11:02] <khasim> on overo I see 8TA98 JW256
  952. [17:11:12] <mru> jkridner: better not repeat that mistake in production ;-)
  953. [17:11:15] <khasim> It is 256MB
  954. [17:11:21] <jkridner> so, nothing wrong with the patch.
  955. [17:11:25] <jkridner> mru: :)
  956. [17:11:45] * jkridner still wants an overo.
  957. [17:12:46] <koen> jkridner: your uboot breaks the 2.6.27 kernel
  958. [17:13:00] <dirk2> koen: Thanks for testing. environment: I'm not aware that we changed something. Hmm...
  959. [17:13:40] <koen> no output on serial or dvi
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  961. [17:14:20] <jkridner> thanks koen.
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  964. [17:14:52] <jkridner> it works with your 2.6.28-r0.
  965. [17:15:11] <koen> jkridner, dirk2: actually uboot refuses to save it's env to nand
  966. [17:15:15] <jkridner> wish I could get the USB gadget RNDIS working with your 2.6.28-r0.
  967. [17:15:20] <jkridner> ah...
  968. [17:15:30] <jkridner> koen: that is due to a hack only in my tree.
  969. [17:15:42] <jkridner> it will save, but refuses to read it back.
  970. [17:16:06] <jkridner> that version of u-boot never reads the environment from flash and always executes the default.
  971. [17:16:13] <jkridner> it is a 'recovery' version.
  972. [17:16:18] <koen> ah
  973. [17:16:25] <jkridner> I use boot.scr on my SD card.
  974. [17:17:47] <dirk2> jkridner: maybe you like to disable "Warning - bad CRC, using default environment", too, to not confuse people?
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  976. [17:19:41] <jkridner> dirk2: true. sorry for the hack.
  977. [17:19:57] <jkridner> Gerald helped me find R113. it is populated.
  978. [17:20:07] <jkridner> probably too weak.
  979. [17:23:10] <koen> booting a working uboot from within the 2009.1 one also doesn't properly boot the kernel
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  983. [17:32:29] <dirk2> sakoman: Do you like to check if U-Boot GPIO handling is needed and if yes correct for Overo? http://www.sakoman.net/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=u-boot-omap3.git;a=blob;f=board/omap3/overo/overo.c;h=d8e6bcaab4d86a0c3224c63864e7403a96055067;hb=refs/heads/omap3-dev in misc_init_r() . This looks like copied from Beagle.
  984. [17:36:02] <ds2> one more full day in the year....
  985. [17:37:08] * koen stabs UPS
  986. [17:37:16] <koen> "incorrect routing"
  987. [17:37:36] <ds2> koen: late birthday gift? =)
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  989. [17:37:41] <koen> I suspect that's jargon for "parcel in wrong truck"
  990. [17:37:54] <koen> ds2: new laptop charger, the old one burst into fire
  991. [17:38:04] * mrc3 (n=ddiaz@189.157.115.100) Quit (Remote closed the connection)
  992. [17:38:45] <ds2> ah
  993. [17:39:31] <koen> no strain relief at the plug so the shielding mesh broke
  994. [17:39:45] <koen> which in a stroke of genius is used as ground
  995. [17:40:09] <ds2> so damage is confined to just that then
  996. [17:40:27] <koen> it would be if it hadn't heated and burst into fire
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  998. [17:41:22] <ds2> isn't that stuff suppose to be self extinguishing? I had the isolation transformer burst into flames and go out on a NE2K
  999. [17:42:00] <koen> dunno
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  1001. [17:57:42] <adj_> mmpff, i got alsa audio working but volume level is waay to high and alsamixer does not have effect on volume
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  1010. [18:30:53] <RyoKimball> MY BEAGLE JUST CAME IN!!!
  1011. [18:32:11] <RyoKimball> ...of course, I don't have any cords yet (my computer doesn't even have a rs232...), but still! ^,^
  1012. [18:32:11] <RyoKimball> 'tis a good day...
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  1014. [18:34:41] <likewise> hey fooks
  1015. [18:39:11] <adj_> argh, just as i got every piece of my beaglebot hardware working and i was able to start making some ugly but functional code, beagle got into a reset loop as the batteries died :(
  1016. [18:40:03] <koen> hey likewise
  1017. [18:40:32] * MAD|dentistry is now known as MostAwesomeDude
  1018. [18:41:49] <likewise> hey koen
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  1020. [18:47:16] * FuL|OUT is now known as fulgas
  1021. [18:47:18] <magnet> evening everyone.
  1022. [18:48:10] <magnet> I try to setup the dsp on the beagle board, following the tutorial on elinux, is there a way to patch && compile kernel as suggested with openembedded ?
  1023. [18:48:28] <magnet> I got not enough room on sd to fit the kernel source and compiler.
  1024. [18:52:53] <koen> magnet: if you use dsplink you can use the ipkgs in the angstrom feeds
  1025. [18:53:57] <magnet> there is a documentation about it ?
  1026. [18:55:20] <koen> opkg install ti-lpm-module ti-cmemk-module dsplink-module dsplink
  1027. [18:55:34] <koen> and the rest is on http://wiki.davincidsp.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
  1028. [18:55:53] <magnet> thanks !
  1029. [18:55:56] <koen> or http://focus.ti.com/dsp/docs/dspsplash.tsp?contentId=52451 if you like a hardcopy :)
  1030. [18:56:35] <koen> the dummiesbook is nice
  1031. [18:56:38] <koen> (and free)
  1032. [18:58:14] <koen> mru: does http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/blob/&id=d0e32eb51276bf691220cc80987ddf9bf07e22e3&path=packages/mythtv/mythtv-0.21/ffmpeg-arm-update.diff have the shlib segfault problem as well?
  1033. [18:58:24] <magnet> it seems it's a developper website.I just want to use the gstreamer.
  1034. [18:58:56] <koen> if you want use gstreamer gst-ffmpeg is fast enough atm
  1035. [18:59:52] <magnet> what is wrong with the dsp ?
  1036. [19:00:02] <magnet> it seems the best way to play videos.
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  1044. [19:40:36] <mru> koen: no, but it's very old
  1045. [19:41:17] <koen> I know, I'm too lazy to rediff it
  1046. [19:41:36] <koen> mythtv's ffmpeg copy is old and not a 1:1 copy
  1047. [19:42:41] <mru> the arm files should be compatible
  1048. [19:45:10] <mru> if you drop in the very latest you'll get a couple of errors in dsputil_neon.c
  1049. [19:45:18] <mru> those lines can be safely deleted in that case
  1050. [19:45:48] <koen> I'll have a look at updating when it actually manages to play something reliably
  1051. [19:45:59] <mru> there's that too...
  1052. [19:46:00] <koen> not distorted or with smurf colours
  1053. [19:46:12] <mru> not using overlay?
  1054. [19:46:25] <koen> the previews don't seem to use the overlay
  1055. [19:46:41] <koen> the blue colours are due to not having mmx
  1056. [19:46:53] <koen> according to the mythtv devs
  1057. [19:47:21] <mru> that's a bit vague
  1058. [19:47:28] <prpplague> koen: hey, i was googling around about some wince dev, ran across a page you had created, does this mean you've done some wince dev?
  1059. [19:48:42] <koen> prpplague: only the usual wince rom dissambling
  1060. [19:48:50] <prpplague> koen: ahh ok
  1061. [19:49:11] <koen> I needed to verify some stuff in the pcmcia driver I copy/pasted
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  1063. [19:50:15] <koen> prpplague: incidentally, I also fixed the problem with keyboard input and a recent kdrive
  1064. [19:50:47] <koen> prpplague: http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/commit/&id=814da25dfa191482e1b0bf614eb064c85a3233b0
  1065. [19:51:21] <prpplague> koen: oh dandy, thanks
  1066. [19:51:42] <prpplague> koen: now if i can get these alignment traps to go away, i'd be pretty darn happy with my build
  1067. [19:51:59] <mru> alignment traps? sounds scary
  1068. [19:52:14] <koen> prpplague: I think I know what is causing them
  1069. [19:52:30] <prpplague> koen: do tell
  1070. [19:53:04] <koen> prpplague: are you on armv5 or armv4?
  1071. [19:53:11] <prpplague> koen: armv4
  1072. [19:53:44] <koen> on armv5 cairo has a problem where gcc will generate bad code and cause an alignment trap
  1073. [19:53:56] <koen> prpplague: you'd have to ask marcin for details, he debugged it for poky
  1074. [19:54:15] <mru> koen: what does gcc do?
  1075. [19:54:30] <koen> # webkit-gtk and cairo have alignment issues with double instructions on armv5 so
  1076. [19:54:33] <koen> # disable them here
  1077. [19:54:35] <koen> that's what the comment says
  1078. [19:54:40] <prpplague> koen: that was my guess, i was considering changing the optimization arguments for some of the applications that have the problems, just as a test
  1079. [19:54:44] <koen> no details on what happens
  1080. [19:55:12] <prpplague> koen: surprise no one else has been complaining about them other than myself
  1081. [19:55:36] <koen> they are not fatal due to kernel fixups
  1082. [19:55:44] <koen> and 99% of the people don't read
  1083. [19:56:14] <mru> see, that's why I want to make sigbus the default action
  1084. [19:56:43] <prpplague> koen: yea normally not an issue, but i'm having a few applications crash after 5-10 alignment traps
  1085. [19:56:52] <prpplague> koen: so i think there might be something bigger going on
  1086. [19:57:58] <ssvb> mru: the problem is that RMK is the author of the alignment fixup code, so his opinion is biased and he probably does not want to have his code put out of use
  1087. [19:58:30] <mru> grr
  1088. [19:58:39] <ZeZu> doesn't beagle have a second usb chipset that was supposed to be accessible via the expansion port ?
  1089. [19:58:39] <koen> patching every crappy userspace app gets old real fast
  1090. [19:58:46] <ssvb> that's why we are probably going to have a new crappy default alignment fixup configuration instead of the old crappy one...
  1091. [19:59:16] <koen> maybe the arm subsystem goes the same way serial went
  1092. [19:59:45] <koen> rmk creates a mess, refuses to fix it and quits as maintainer
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  1095. [20:07:24] <koen> jkridner: apple-shift-t to switch to/from rtf
  1096. [20:07:38] <jkridner> thanks!
  1097. [20:08:10] <koen> it;s in the layout menu (the one between window and message)
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  1100. [20:17:06] <jkridner> odd... when I toggle, the "rich" | replacements for > still show up.
  1101. [20:17:12] <jkridner> makes it a real pain to edit.
  1102. [20:17:30] * jkridner scowls at Mail.app
  1103. [20:17:44] <koen> I kinda like the threading helpers
  1104. [20:18:25] <koen> it still uses '>' internally
  1105. [20:18:29] * mru reads mail with emacs
  1106. [20:19:20] <koen> jkridner: what I meant is that it doesn't send | in the mail, it uses >
  1107. [20:19:28] <jkridner> koen: but it doesn't seem to do it dynamically, meaning it shows | > in places, rather than | | and adding > doesn't get replaced by |.
  1108. [20:19:51] <jkridner> I don't like not knowing what my mail is going to be before it is sent!
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  1111. [20:22:27] <RyoKimball> I know RevC's is going to support the USB Host... is there any way of making it work for the RevB7?
  1112. [20:23:26] <koen> RyoKimball: plug in a mini-a cable into the otg port
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  1115. [20:26:44] <RyoKimball> v,v yes, that's always an option. I was hoping to solder on an actual USB-A port
  1116. [20:27:03] <ds2> please desolder the parts, fab a board, and remount parts as per RevC ;)
  1117. [20:27:29] <RyoKimball> lol that's an option, too --but FAR more work than I'm willing to do.
  1118. [20:27:52] <ds2> IIRC, RevC moves the EHCI pins to another set so it is more then just attaching a connector
  1119. [20:28:18] <adj_> plus a load of USB EHCI host components seem to be missing from rev B boards
  1120. [20:28:31] <RyoKimball> I was just hoping... I mean, there was that one fix (I don't remember what it was)that was just adding a capacitor.
  1121. [20:28:40] <RyoKimball> Oh, so that's what the problem was?
  1122. [20:28:47] <ds2> *nod*
  1123. [20:28:53] <RyoKimball> Thanks a lot guys ^,^
  1124. [20:29:40] <adj_> afaik the problem was bad layout and/or bad components, so they have been totally removed from rev b boards
  1125. [20:30:14] <ds2> there were issues that weren't fully debugged so no reason to stuff unusable parts
  1126. [20:30:53] <RyoKimball> lol agreeable.
  1127. [20:30:57] <ds2> what I am curious about but am too busy to look it up is if there is away to route the USB1.1 block out the USB A instead
  1128. [20:33:16] <RyoKimball> There is far too much on this little board for me to begin trying to trace circuits and find out...
  1129. [20:33:50] <ZeZu> I was just told that no boards were ever shipped with the EHCI hardware period
  1130. [20:33:52] <ds2> the schematics are available in the HRM
  1131. [20:35:57] <adj_> schematics at HRM are quite difficult to read
  1132. [20:36:02] * koen looks at his a5 and c0 boards with ehci connector
  1133. [20:36:06] <adj_> this one is better: http://xgoat.com/proj/beagleboard/schematic.pdf
  1134. [20:36:40] <ds2> there are the schematic files themselves
  1135. [20:37:15] <adj_> ds2: really? then it seems that my eyes are made of wood :)
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  1137. [20:38:05] <ZeZu> koen, yea ... were those sold through public means ?
  1138. [20:38:19] <koen> they weren't sold, but they were shipped
  1139. [20:38:44] <muriani> they just happened to have them?
  1140. [20:39:17] <ds2> just like he happen to have a Pico kit w/an unprogrammed FPGA ;)
  1141. [20:39:26] <ZeZu> hehe
  1142. [20:39:34] <muriani> haha
  1143. [20:40:12] <koen> ds2: I have one with a new fpga firmware now :)
  1144. [20:40:21] <koen> ds2: sadly i2c doesn't seem to work 100%
  1145. [20:40:36] * koen is waiting for the DLP guys to return from holidays
  1146. [20:40:45] <ds2> koen: oh :( are you running it at 2.6MHz?
  1147. [20:40:49] <ZeZu> I picked up a whole box of boards w/ DLP / FPGA hardware on them for $10
  1148. [20:40:55] <ZeZu> seem to be TV / Projector boards
  1149. [20:41:16] <koen> ds2: dunno, the default :)
  1150. [20:41:18] <ZeZu> and a psu board that has some pretty nice voltages coming off it
  1151. [20:41:38] <ZeZu> and some idiot through a cheapo dvd pcb in there too
  1152. [20:41:45] <ds2> looking at things that stuck around over time, it seems TI is doing very well -- still got my TI calculator from 1990 and still using it
  1153. [20:42:15] <muriani> I've still got my TI-89, think I finally gave away the TI-85
  1154. [20:42:16] <ds2> koen: Hmmmm I wonder that I2C timeout thing from a while back is coming back in a different form (weak pullups I think was the issue then)
  1155. [20:42:33] <ZeZu> FPGA's are really nice, i've never got the chance to work with one directly
  1156. [20:43:56] <koen> ds2: I'll wait for Jim to test with his beagle and picos
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  1191. [21:27:34] * koen finally knows what the 'ritsy' is rogermonk keeps mentions
  1192. [21:27:47] <koen> it's how RTSC is pronounced by TI people
  1193. [21:28:04] <eFfeM> lol
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  1196. [21:34:24] <koen> the dummies book also clears up why dot-in-pwd problem went unnoticed for a long time
  1197. [21:35:02] <koen> the RTSC name is supposed to be like foo.bar.qupl and should be in $PWD/foo/bar/qupl
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  1208. [21:52:24] <koen> hmmm
  1209. [21:52:36] <koen> autotools wrapping make wrapping javascript
  1210. [21:52:45] <koen> I guess there's a first for everything
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  1214. [21:57:44] <Xenion> good night folks / gute nacht pennt jut ! :-)
  1215. [21:58:40] <florian> koen: sounds like you have fun ;)
  1216. [21:58:52] * florian gets crazy with wvdial on arm
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  1220. [22:07:10] <koen> florian: well, I spent a big chunk of the day debugging kdrive/xmodmap on a pxa250 device, so a little javascript doesn't scare me anymore :)
  1221. [22:07:58] <florian> koen: heh
  1222. [22:08:21] <florian> koen: did you find the xmodmap issue?
  1223. [22:10:33] <koen> sort of
  1224. [22:10:45] <koen> graeme and I suspect a race condition in the evdev/hal code
  1225. [22:11:01] <koen> florian: http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/commit/&id=814da25dfa191482e1b0bf614eb064c85a3233b0
  1226. [22:11:36] <koen> florian: I need to clean up my patches to add debugging output to xserver-common and have you apply those to svn
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  1231. [22:18:53] <florian> koen: evil....
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  1234. [22:35:50] <adj_> finally i had some time to update my beaglebot project website up-to-date:
  1235. [22:35:52] <adj_> http://www.hervanta.com/stuff/Beaglebot
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  1239. [22:39:56] <jkridner|web> neat!
  1240. [22:40:23] <koen> it even has videos :)
  1241. [22:40:26] <jkridner|web> do you have a blog post announcing the project that includes some of the pics and video?
  1242. [22:40:40] <jkridner|web> I love the sound of the motor.
  1243. [22:41:34] <adj_> no, i haven't done any blog postings
  1244. [22:41:39] * jkridner|web worries about the move of the DVI-D (HDMI) connector on Rev C, but it should be fine. I don't even think you use the DVI-D connection.
  1245. [22:41:51] <muriani> I would!
  1246. [22:41:58] <muriani> oh, on the beaglebot
  1247. [22:42:01] <jkridner|web> if you do, let me know. I'd love to share this in the http://beagleboard.org rss feed.
  1248. [22:42:16] <jkridner|web> muriani: on anything interesting BeagleBoard related.
  1249. [22:42:20] <koen> jkridner|web: ah, another beagleboard that doesn't fit into the specialcomp case :)
  1250. [22:42:45] <jkridner|web> I track blogs that Google says they mention the BealgeBoard.
  1251. [22:43:50] <koen> this dummies book is pretty interesting
  1252. [22:45:25] <jkridner|web> mine is probably sitting in the office.
  1253. [22:45:35] <jkridner|web> along with my CATC. :(
  1254. [22:45:55] <koen> you have a spare CAT at home, right?
  1255. [22:46:17] <koen> but I guess it only chews up usb cables instead of analyzing the traffic
  1256. [22:47:54] <jkridner|web> :)
  1257. [22:47:59] <jkridner|web> I have 3 cats.
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  1259. [22:48:34] <jkridner|web> only one currently chews on USB cables. the others grew out of that.
  1260. [22:51:55] <muriani> jkridner|web: I have 3 as well :)
  1261. [22:52:15] <muriani> and home time.
  1262. [22:52:16] <muriani> *poof*
  1263. [22:52:35] <sakoman> sigh, nothing like a hard disk crash to make you realize how much you customize your machine over the default installation :-(
  1264. [22:52:56] <sakoman> takes forever to get back to normal
  1265. [22:53:18] * koen used to have /etc under version control
  1266. [22:53:27] <Joseph_L> How do I download the Linux kernel uImage to the Beagle board DDR using UART?
  1267. [22:53:45] <raster> sakoman: indeed. it wasnt crashes by a cycle of getting new machines or extra ones that made me create a "inst' dir in ~/
  1268. [22:53:47] <koen> using an SD card is simpler and faster
  1269. [22:53:51] <raster> in that is a script
  1270. [22:53:57] <raster> that adds my favorite package set
  1271. [22:54:03] <raster> and fixes up config files
  1272. [22:56:02] <Joseph_L> So just use an SD card then? Will that put the kernel on the ddr?
  1273. [22:56:38] <sakoman> raster: good idea
  1274. [22:57:38] <jkridner|web> Joseph_L: you would generally "fatload mmc 0 82000000 uImage" to copy the kernel from SD card into DDR.
  1275. [22:57:38] <koen> raster: is http://exchange.enlightenment.org/ supposed to work?
  1276. [22:58:29] <jkridner|web> you can look at the BeagleBoardBeginners wiki page for examples on loading kernels from SD card.
  1277. [22:58:37] <Joseph_L> jkridnet|web: thanks for your help, I will try this
  1278. [22:58:45] <jkridner|web> loading over serial with 'loadb' or 'loady' works as well, but is slower.
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  1280. [22:59:16] <jkridner|web> loading over USB is a work-in-progress.
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  1282. [22:59:48] * cbrake is now known as cbrake_away
  1283. [23:00:06] <koen> jkridner|web: how work would it be to add dfu support now musb support for omap3 is in your tree?
  1284. [23:00:49] <jkridner> I'm not sure how buggy the musb code is.
  1285. [23:01:18] <Joseph_L> jkridner|web: ok, is there a beginners page on loading over serial?
  1286. [23:01:22] <jkridner> if the musb code isn't so buggy, then using dfu shouldn't be so hard (pulling from u-boot-usb).
  1287. [23:01:38] <koen> raster: ah, safari makes exchange.enlightenment.org create a error 500 page
  1288. [23:01:53] <jkridner> Joseph_L: no. everyone uses SD cards as they are faster and provide a place to hold a large root file system.
  1289. [23:02:21] <Joseph_L> jkridner|web: Ok, thanks for your help
  1290. [23:02:24] <jkridner> koen: I'd wait until usbtty worked.
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  1294. [23:08:04] <raster> koen: hmm - that is up and down - depending on the code
  1295. [23:08:17] <raster> but its more intended to be used from code
  1296. [23:08:27] <raster> i dont think peolpe care that much about using it from a browser
  1297. [23:08:39] <raster> ie more for services for exchanging themes/wallpapers etc.
  1298. [23:08:52] <raster> so your in-app dialogs just list extra stuff to browse
  1299. [23:08:55] <raster> :)
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