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IRC Log for 2009-01-28

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[00:29:40] <CmosReloaded> hi all, just wondering if someone can recommend a good 5" tft panel for use with this board? i'm really looking for the module only (not the case/stand etc).
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[00:41:26] <raster> CmosReloaded: thats kind of hard as right now the lcd is not broken out
[00:41:34] <raster> its wired into the dvi out controller
[00:41:55] <raster> so u'll need to do some magic hw hacking to strip the lcd out from the dvi chip
[00:43:53] <CmosReloaded> raster: thanks for the info... i'll probably look into this tomorrow sometime
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[03:27:35] <justonemore> hey everyone.
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[03:29:56] <justonemore> I had a quick question: I need three nodes on a network, running some software on linux. would beagle board be the best way for me to go?
[03:30:25] <ds2> can't hurt
[03:31:24] <justonemore> thanks, how fast can do you think one can set up linux on the board?
[03:32:44] <ds2> define setup linux
[03:33:09] <ds2> it can be as quick as the time it takes to download an image, write it to an SD card and apply power if all you mean is get a shell
[03:34:46] <justonemore> yeah, get a shell and run gcc to compile code n execute.
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[04:31:18] <pepeu6> hello!!
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[04:53:36] <jkridner> j24 ping
[04:54:20] <jkridner> 6am there. wake up. :)
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[05:19:27] <denix> jkridner: ping
[05:19:34] <jkridner> pong
[05:19:48] <jkridner> I've just made a new ffmpeg.bb that I'm trying.
[05:19:50] <denix> what's your kernel version and bootargs used?
[05:19:56] <jkridner> any idea what my inittab issues are?
[05:20:15] <jkridner> kernel is 2.6.28-oe-rc8 (roughly)
[05:20:35] <denix> have you used that kernel before
[05:21:45] <jkridner> yes. I think I figured out my bootargs problem. :)
[05:21:50] <denix> and copy/paste your bootargs.
[05:21:54] <jkridner> just by looking at it, it was fairly obvious.
[05:21:59] <denix> was there a problem with bootargs?
[05:22:15] <jkridner> root=ram0, not root=/dev/ram0
[05:23:05] <jkridner> trying: setenv bootargs onsole=ttyS2,115200 console=tty0 root=/dev/ram0 rw ramdisk=32768 initrd=0x81600000,32M video=omapfb.video_mode=1280x720M-24@60
[05:23:07] <denix> ah, ok
[05:23:40] <denix> copy/paste issues? onsole instead of console
[05:23:42] <jkridner> argh. not sure what I keep doing wrong.
[05:23:45] <jkridner> exactly.
[05:24:20] <jkridner> works anyway, just doesn't print the console messages to the serial port
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[05:25:12] <ds2> what's the problem?
[05:26:31] <jkridner> I was getting some problems getting inittab to provide shells, but I had a typo in bootargs.
[05:26:35] <jkridner> all is good now.
[05:26:48] <ds2> ok
[05:29:14] <jkridner> thanks denix for asking the obvious question.
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[05:31:06] <denix> since your inittab was sane, as well as the rest of fs, it meant kernel was doing something finicky with /dev
[05:35:33] <denix> time to watch some TV and go to sleep - it was a rough day...
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[06:31:15] <bbnewb> i was wondering if someone could help me with getting koen image builder to work
[06:32:56] <kulve> bbnewb: ask the question and wait and hope that somebody knows the answer..
[06:34:45] <bbnewb> i am wondering the steps i would take to get python to run on my beagleboard if i build the image and copy it to my flash drive and then transfer it to the beagleboard and untar the file. What next?
[06:37:35] <kulve> so the image is the root file system? Did you boot the beagleboard with that root file system?
[06:42:42] <bbnewb> i am very new to linux and everything about it, so this is wut i did. I built the image for the beagleboard slash enlightenment and copied that to my flash drive. I then copied that image from my flashdrive to the beagleboard. I copied the .tar.bz2 file to a file on the desktop that i created. I ran tar -jxvf and now i have all the files uncompressed and I need to know where to come from there
[06:43:34] <raster> ummm
[06:43:48] <raster> did u partition your sd card?
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[06:44:33] <bbnewb> yeah i got my Fat partition with MLO and all those files then i got my ext3 partition with angnstrom on that
[06:44:54] <raster> ok
[06:45:01] <raster> mount the ext2 partition
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[06:45:13] <raster> mount /dev/sde2 /mnt/tmp
[06:45:17] <garren|work> morning all
[06:45:18] <raster> (mkdir /mnt/tmp first)
[06:45:25] <raster> i ASSUME its sde2
[06:45:30] <raster> it masy be a different device for u
[06:45:37] <kulve> bbnewb: did you run the tar command as root? Normal user cannot create any special files. And then you need to tell the u-boot in bealeboard to mount the proper rootfs
[06:45:37] <raster> i assume its also partition 2, not 1
[06:46:11] <kulve> bbnewb: some instructions for it: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#MMC.2FSD_boot
[06:46:33] <bbnewb> yep i ran it as root
[06:46:47] <bbnewb> i ran all my commands as root
[06:46:53] <kulve> don't :)
[06:47:19] <kulve> one mistake and you'll lose everything. Run only the commands you really need to as root.. :)
[06:47:49] <bbnewb> haha yeah i read some things about that
[06:48:05] <bbnewb> but i had to cd to drives and run tar and all of that
[06:48:18] <kulve> I usually run "sudo tar .."
[06:48:42] <bbnewb> yeah i typed su to get into root then i just typed my command
[06:49:53] <kulve> yeah, well, anyway, I think you have done everything correctly with the rootfs. Now you need to just boot it with the beagle
[06:50:08] <kulve> have you connected the serial cable between beagle and your computer?
[06:50:40] <bbnewb> are you tyring to help me get python to work on my board or get angstrom working?
[06:50:58] <kulve> I'm trying to understand what's the actual problem you have
[06:51:59] <bbnewb> i have angstrom running perfect on my board, but if you have seen koen's image builder website you can create some programs to run on the beagleboard, but i dont know how to properly download onto my board
[06:52:25] <kulve> the builder creates an image for you. But you have that already
[06:52:32] <kulve> now you want to install python
[06:52:44] <kulve> so it's something like this (I don't use OE): opkg install python
[06:52:48] <kulve> on the board, as root
[06:54:56] <kulve> if you have booted the image you created with python, then you should have it already there and you should be able to just use it
[06:56:00] <bbnewb> i just did it and it said Pakage python-core(2.5.2-ml0.1) installed in root is up to date
[07:00:32] <bbnewb> will i eventually be able to click on an icon and run python?
[07:03:11] <raster> what gui do u have?
[07:03:23] <raster> if u have python all u need are python apps
[07:03:38] <raster> (and the right metadata to let whatever ui u have know the app exists and how to run it)
[07:04:57] <kulve> python is a language. You can't run a language. You can run apps written with that language..
[07:05:26] <raster> kulve: interactiv python shell!
[07:05:27] <raster> :)
[07:05:36] * raster slaps himself for that
[07:06:10] <bbnewb> i dont have python though, that is what i am trying to get
[07:06:21] <kulve> how so..?
[07:06:24] <raster> it says its installed
[07:06:29] <kulve> didn't you just say you have the python core?
[07:06:45] <bbnewb> how do i run the python application like i do in Windows?
[07:07:19] <kulve> you execute it like you execute any other app in linux..
[07:07:32] <raster> if the file is executable
[07:07:38] <raster> app.py
[07:07:43] <raster> or whatever it's called
[07:07:46] <raster> if its not
[07:07:47] <kulve> some apps may have GUI, some don't. Some has an icon for them, some don't
[07:07:52] <raster> chmod a+x app.py
[07:08:05] <raster> you can alwasy run from the commandline that way
[07:08:23] <raster> an icon will only be here if the app has ALSO installed other files with the right metadata
[07:08:29] <raster> thats why i asked what ui u have?
[07:08:44] <raster> generally only apps with a gui install such data
[07:08:49] <raster> and not even all the time there
[07:09:04] <kulve> that chmod and the just launching it from the command line is the best choice. Then you see also the errors etc.
[07:11:04] <bbnewb> what exactly does chmod do?
[07:11:27] <raster> change mode
[07:11:32] <raster> changes the modes of a file
[07:11:44] <raster> can be used to remove read or write permissions (eg write protect)
[07:11:51] <raster> for the owner, group or others
[07:11:56] <raster> also it can make things executable
[07:12:10] <raster> unix's fs is more advanced than windows/dos land where such things dont exist
[07:12:28] <raster> making a file executable just flips a bit in the filesystem for that file
[07:12:36] <raster> and from then on if you try run it
[07:12:47] <raster> (by just excuting it in the shell or any other way)
[07:13:00] <raster> the kernel will appropriately try and do the right thing to try and make it run
[07:13:19] <raster> (if its a shell script it starts with #!/name/of/interpreter)
[07:13:26] <raster> so for python
[07:13:32] <raster> #!/usr/bin/python
[07:13:36] <raster> for normal shell scripts
[07:13:38] <raster> #!/bin/sh
[07:13:40] <raster> for perl
[07:13:45] <raster> #!/usr/bin/perl
[07:13:46] <raster> etc.
[07:14:02] <raster> this first line tells the kernel what other executable to use to run that script with
[07:14:12] <raster> so kernel loads that executable (perl, sh, python etc.)
[07:14:20] <raster> and then passes the script to that interpeter script
[07:14:46] <raster> for actual binary programs these have a different header (and elf header) which means they dont need any "helper" and the kernel loads them happily on its own
[07:15:28] * raster shuts up now.
[07:15:35] * raster <- talks too much
[07:16:01] <bbnewb> alright i just launched python by running #/usr/bin/python
[07:16:38] <raster> wont help much
[07:16:55] <bbnewb> >>>x=2
[07:17:00] <raster> as pythng needs its script
[07:17:01] <bbnewb> >>>x=3
[07:17:04] <raster> ok
[07:17:07] <bbnewb> >>>x+y
[07:17:08] <raster> pythons interactive mode
[07:17:08] <bbnewb> 5
[07:17:09] <raster> :)
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[07:18:06] <bbnewb> what my ultimate goal is to draw up a simple GUI and communicate through serial to a microprocessor
[07:18:35] <raster> any reason to use the beagelboard for that?
[07:18:45] <raster> isnt that a little... odd?
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[07:18:59] <bbnewb> yeah i want it to be portable
[07:19:09] <raster> (when a desktop can do the same with much less jumping through hoops)
[07:19:18] <raster> a laptop isn't?
[07:19:25] <raster> :)
[07:19:39] <bbnewb> we wanted it the size of a handheld device
[07:19:44] <raster> (for the bb u'd need a monitor to drag around and kbd/mouse....)
[07:19:56] <raster> unless u plan to produce your own hw?
[07:19:58] <bbnewb> so eventually we would incorporate a LCD screen with touchscreen
[07:20:04] <raster> (based on the omap3530)
[07:20:15] <raster> the simple version - not with the bb
[07:20:24] <raster> lcd out is already wired up to the dvi out
[07:20:35] <raster> u'd need to do some serious hw futzing to remove that
[07:20:46] <raster> but basically it'd not be a good idea/worth it
[07:21:08] <bbnewb> yeah we are not going to do all that but it more proof of concept
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[07:21:14] <raster> if u are going to produce your own hw - then if all u are doing is writing a python app with a ui that talks thru serial
[07:21:18] <raster> u dont need a beagleboard at all
[07:21:24] <raster> u can do this just fine on a laptop/desktop
[07:21:28] <raster> and it will work the same
[07:21:29] <raster> :)
[07:21:55] <bbnewb> oh yeah i know that because i have done that but it just a little project to learn the beagleboard
[07:22:10] <raster> hmm
[07:22:23] <bbnewb> and prove that i can make it the size of a handheld device
[07:22:24] <raster> python isnt going to help u "learn the beagleboard"
[07:22:34] <raster> its totally removed all of the hw layer from you
[07:22:44] <bbnewb> what is hw?
[07:22:48] <raster> if u were doing c/c++ or native compiling
[07:22:59] <raster> at least u'd be wrestling with cross-compiling and build environments
[07:23:08] <raster> for pythong just write script - copy to device. run
[07:23:12] <raster> hardware == hw
[07:23:36] <bbnewb> what do you do with the beagleboard?
[07:23:57] <raster> right now i'm working on making my openembedded os image work for it as well as my other targets
[07:24:01] <raster> fix packages and stuff
[07:24:11] <raster> also doing some neon asm andperformance speedups
[07:24:23] <raster> and performance testing
[07:24:34] <raster> the beagleboard (omap3530) is FAST
[07:24:45] <bbnewb> nice
[07:24:47] <raster> it goes neck for neck with the via mini-itx 1ghz eden box i have
[07:24:56] <raster> and thats only at 500mhz for the omap
[07:25:08] <brianpspmod> hey
[07:25:22] <brianpspmod> what about a beagle powered iphone clone?
[07:25:37] <bbnewb> back to the python thing quick- am i not able to open python like i would in windows?
[07:25:39] <raster> brianpspmod: running what os?
[07:25:50] <raster> brianpspmod: u know iphone is almsot all software
[07:25:55] <raster> hw-wise its nothing special
[07:26:09] <brianpspmod> ok well we could run android i guess
[07:26:26] <brianpspmod> i would like it to be a phone too lol
[07:26:32] <raster> bbnewb: i have no idea wbout windows. i never used it. been on linux since 1996 (and before that amigaos etc.)
[07:26:40] <raster> brianpspmod: g1?
[07:26:41] <brianpspmod> see i wanted to get an archos but its toooo proprietary
[07:26:47] <raster> (if u want android)
[07:26:49] <brianpspmod> lol i know
[07:27:00] <brianpspmod> well isnt androis open source?
[07:27:07] <raster> well yes - mostly
[07:27:10] <raster> in theory
[07:27:14] <raster> in practice bits are closed
[07:27:22] <raster> like the 3g drivers
[07:27:24] <brianpspmod> ok
[07:27:28] <brianpspmod> oh ok
[07:27:28] <raster> the 3d (gl-es)
[07:27:36] <raster> i know those are for sure on the g1
[07:27:44] <brianpspmod> well the archos has 3g drivers too
[07:27:47] <bbnewb> thanks for all of your help raster i think you same my a lot of time
[07:28:00] <raster> the palm pre is omap3xxx based (3430 - same as 3530)
[07:28:08] <raster> but so far no info on it other than its linux based
[07:28:13] <raster> probably will nbe locked down like iphone
[07:28:23] <raster> bbnewb: u were runing pythong just then
[07:28:25] <raster> interactive
[07:28:27] <raster> other than that
[07:28:31] <raster> scripts shoudl work as i explained
[07:28:32] <brianpspmod> sucks
[07:28:44] <raster> start with #!/path/to/python
[07:28:48] <raster> then script after that
[07:28:57] <raster> check out python script examples
[07:29:04] <raster> chmod a+x file.py that u write
[07:29:06] <raster> and u can just run it
[07:29:09] <raster> ./file.py
[07:29:12] <raster> or whatever
[07:29:34] <brianpspmod> so it would not be to terribly hard to make a portable media player from the beagle
[07:29:41] <raster> brianpspmod: if someone did an "open" omap3530 based phone... i wonder just how many nerds would buy it
[07:29:42] <raster> :)
[07:30:05] <brianpspmod> lol
[07:30:08] <brianpspmod> LOTS
[07:30:12] <brianpspmod> iphone killer
[07:30:21] <raster> the problem with hardware is that u need volume and need to produce it in advance
[07:30:24] <raster> unlike software
[07:30:31] <brianpspmod> yeah
[07:30:35] <raster> whihc once written is 0 cost to reproduce
[07:30:40] <brianpspmod> well we could do one that used skype
[07:30:43] <raster> so its all "r&d" in software
[07:30:48] <bbnewb> #/path/to/python didnt work
[07:30:49] <raster> skyp is closed
[07:31:02] <raster> bbnewb: #!/path/to/python
[07:31:02] <brianpspmod> what?
[07:31:05] <brianpspmod> well skype works with linux
[07:31:05] <raster> the !
[07:31:07] <raster> note the !
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[07:31:21] <raster> and /path/to/python - replzce it with the path to where python is
[07:31:24] <raster> /usr/bin/python
[07:31:28] <raster> or /bin/python
[07:31:31] <raster> or whatever
[07:31:37] <raster> brianpspmod: its a closed binary
[07:31:40] <raster> for x86 only
[07:31:51] <raster> so forget it
[07:32:02] <brianpspmod> oh ok
[07:32:10] <brianpspmod> but what about an open sourse voip?
[07:32:29] <raster> that'd be fine
[07:32:35] <raster> several open voip clients for linux
[07:32:52] <raster> but something more familiar to open soruce people
[07:33:03] <raster> runs x, normal ui toolkits available (gtk, qt, etc.)
[07:33:12] <brianpspmod> ok cool
[07:33:15] <raster> has a normal glibc and userspace (maybe stripped down)
[07:33:25] <raster> thats all doable
[07:33:27] <brianpspmod> see i want it to be a psp hardrive that doubles as a phone
[07:33:32] <raster> the barrier is in doing the hardware
[07:33:59] <raster> if u are willing to download a closed libGL.so (GL-ES) then u can get accelerated 3d too
[07:34:06] <raster> and it'd double as a game system.
[07:34:11] <raster> throw on some of the game emulators
[07:34:13] <raster> mame
[07:34:17] <raster> etc. etc.
[07:34:19] <brianpspmod> yeah
[07:34:36] <raster> no reason why it wouldnt work
[07:34:40] <raster> openpandora are tryoing to do that
[07:34:47] <raster> but its a lot bigger than a phone
[07:34:58] <brianpspmod> yeah. well i would make mine small
[07:35:07] <brianpspmod> with a touch screen that runs linux
[07:35:22] <brianpspmod> and its more personal than to sell
[07:35:35] <brianpspmod> for my own use i mean
[07:36:03] <brianpspmod> in that case couldnt i use 3g drivers that are compatible with linux?
[07:36:15] <brianpspmod> know what i mean?
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[07:36:46] <brianpspmod> it would be a gps too i guess
[07:36:56] <raster> ooh 3g is a world of hurt
[07:37:08] <brianpspmod> just a linux media player with voip stuff lol
[07:37:10] <raster> so back to that.. u want an "iphone" that is open and hackable
[07:37:12] <raster> that runs linux
[07:37:19] <raster> ie reasonably small
[07:37:21] <brianpspmod> yeah lol
[07:37:27] <raster> but big enough of a screen to see
[07:37:32] <brianpspmod> yes
[07:37:36] <raster> palm pre is pretty much there
[07:37:42] <raster> and uses the omap3430
[07:37:45] <raster> but its closed
[07:37:48] <raster> as best anyone knows
[07:37:50] <brianpspmod> palm pre?
[07:38:00] <raster> what rock have you been under?
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[07:38:07] <brianpspmod> lol a big one
[07:38:23] <brianpspmod> i am only know getting into linux for purposes of my psp hardrive mod
[07:38:39] <raster> google for it
[07:38:40] <brianpspmod> and im coming up with other ideas for it as i go along
[07:38:40] <raster> palm pre
[07:38:46] <raster> it was the big thing at ces
[07:38:52] <raster> like *THE* thing
[07:38:55] <brianpspmod> ces?
[07:38:58] <raster> CSE
[07:39:00] <raster> err
[07:39:02] <raster> CES
[07:39:05] <raster> expo
[07:39:09] <brianpspmod> ok
[07:39:20] <brianpspmod> like E3
[07:39:23] <raster> yes
[07:39:31] <raster> http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/index.html
[07:39:46] <raster> CSE 2009
[07:39:47] <raster> err
[07:39:49] <raster> CES
[07:39:58] <brianpspmod> could i put a 1.8 hdd in it?
[07:40:05] <raster> hahaha
[07:40:08] <raster> no way
[07:40:14] <raster> its smaller than the iphone
[07:40:15] <brianpspmod> its that small?
[07:40:21] <brianpspmod> oh ok
[07:40:23] <raster> its going to be jam-packed with battery and components
[07:40:28] <raster> 3.1" screen
[07:40:33] <brianpspmod> ok
[07:40:38] <brianpspmod> how much capacity?
[07:40:47] <brianpspmod> usb host?
[07:40:55] <raster> 8g i think
[07:40:56] <raster> flash
[07:41:04] <raster> no idea about the rest
[07:41:08] <raster> look it all up
[07:41:08] <brianpspmod> i need usb host
[07:41:16] <raster> it'll be closed
[07:41:18] <raster> most likely
[07:41:34] <brianpspmod> well ill just do beagle or overo then
[07:41:34] <raster> no abiliuty to hack the software on it other than the web-development model they have
[07:42:21] <brianpspmod> ill just use the beagle
[07:45:12] <brianpspmod> the beagle could be a umpc
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[07:47:05] <raster> it could
[07:47:10] <raster> if u added all the other bits to it
[07:47:30] <brianpspmod> yeah
[07:47:32] <brianpspmod> well
[07:47:34] <brianpspmod> hmm
[07:47:46] <brianpspmod> i want the beagle for my original mod for the psp
[07:47:55] <brianpspmod> i need to have ehci
[07:48:11] <brianpspmod> but there is so much more that i can do with the beagle
[07:50:46] <brianpspmod> you know?
[07:52:11] <brianpspmod> raster?
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[07:54:12] <raster> well it is powerful
[07:54:15] <raster> but its IO is limited
[07:54:30] <raster> usbotg makes it slightly painful as u need a powered hub
[07:54:34] <raster> and the right magic kernel atm
[07:54:42] <raster> usbnet is broken in 2.6.28 last i checked
[07:54:47] <raster> i'm stuck on 2.6.26
[07:55:58] <brianpspmod> huh?
[07:56:02] <brianpspmod> magic kernel?
[07:56:42] <ydna> Hi, I'm trying to grab a shotshot of git kernel with Steve Sakoman's "ASoC: Complete Beagleboard support" commit. I tried linking to http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/tiwai/sound-2.6.git;a=snapshot;h=80c509fdd74f3b158267374cc55156965c8bf930 but it stuck at saying "Generating..." for an hour.
[07:58:04] <ydna> I'm a GIT utility newbie; does anyone know the GIT syntax to grab that specific snapshot?
[07:59:04] <ydna> I guess that specific snapshot has the Id "80c509fdd74f3b158267374cc55156965c8bf930"
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[08:29:40] <tomba> kulve: 800x600 works fine for me
[08:30:14] <tomba> kulve: I do have a newer DSS2, but I don't think anything has changed here...
[08:30:37] <kulve> ok. If I'm the only one with troubles, then I've messed something up :)
[08:31:11] <tomba> that, or your monitor does not like the timings
[08:34:36] <koen> good morning all
[08:37:10] * koen updates his DSS2 git tree
[08:37:19] <koen> = [up to date] master -> tomi-dss/master
[08:37:53] <tomba> yea, I haven't had time to update the public tree. the joys of working with non-public hardware =8
[08:39:28] <koen> at least the rx51 board files are public now
[08:39:42] <koen> jkridner: http://community.buglabs.net/kgilmer/posts/75-OpenEmbedded-Tools-for-Eclipse-6-
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[08:46:58] <tomba> I guess I have to write better documentation. Nobody seems to get the DSS2 kernel parameters correct.
[08:48:00] <koen> people don't read
[08:48:32] <koen> and it turns out my iphone changes video_mode to videomode when typing mails, which is also not helping
[08:49:09] <tomba> that's nice =)
[08:49:41] <tomba> want me to change the parameter to videomode? ;)
[08:51:36] <koen> heh
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[09:14:41] <pp123> is usb eth working on 2.6.28?
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[09:28:35] <garren|work> tomba: where can I get your documentation for DSS2?
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[09:36:04] <koen> garren|work: it's in the kernel sources in Documentation/arm/OMAP/DSS
[09:38:48] <garren|work> koen: great thanks... will give it a read later today
[09:41:56] <mpoullet> hello everybody, when I build oe images, they all use the l-o 2.6.27 kernel, what should I do to switch to the 2.6.28? when I try bitbake linux-omap-2.6.28, I get two errors saying that multiple .bbs provide virtual/kernel?
[09:43:06] <koen> mpoullet: git pull
[09:43:32] <koen> tomba, garren|work: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/115867f718b52e4b#
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[10:05:36] <garren|work> koen: Thanks been looking for that info for a while now. Now I understand all the omapfb commands
[10:05:58] <garren|work> Just to check my understanding, the omapfb sits ontop of the DSS2?
[10:07:24] <tomba> garren|work: yes. but generally "DSS2" usually refers to the whole set. the omapfb is new also
[10:07:59] <garren|work> tomba: ok cool thanks. Is it only integrated into 2.6.28 and later?
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[10:08:37] <koen> In OE we apply it to 2.6.28 and later
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[10:09:24] <florian> good morning
[10:09:55] <koen> florian: moin!
[10:10:03] <tomba> garren|work: it's not integrated in any linux-omap yet. but as Koen said.
[10:12:32] <garren|work> tomba: sorry my mistake for some reason I thought it was integrated if you built 2.6.28 via OE
[10:12:50] <koen> in OE it is integrated :)
[10:13:54] <garren|work> ok cool thanks :-)
[10:16:34] <rupeshgujare> can anyone tell where is the official OMAP3xxx kernel git tree maintained ?
[10:17:08] <kulve> official?
[10:17:10] <rupeshgujare> specifically for beagle?
[10:17:32] <kulve> it's in git.kernel.org
[10:18:03] <rupeshgujare> kulve:official as well as maintained by community with latest update
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[10:18:33] <kulve> it's in git.kernel.org
[10:18:45] <kulve> in the linux-omap tree
[10:19:03] <kulve> it's the same tree for all omap based cpus
[10:19:55] <pp123> is usb ethernet working for you in the latest 2.6.28 kernels? i am able to assign IP addess on the host and target but unable to ping
[10:20:13] <garren|work> is the beagleboard fully integrated into the main linux kernel source?
[10:20:42] <rupeshgujare> kulve:thanx
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[10:27:29] <garren|work> tomba: who has been doing the development on the DSS2?
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[10:28:02] <mpoullet> I can use git behind my proxy without problems, having set a gitproxy line in my ~/.gitconfig, but in OE it doesn't work, getting "git.kernel.org[0: 199.6.1.166]: errno=Connection timed out", I have tried to set GIT_PROXY_COMMAND too, but same result: works outside OE, not inside... any idea?
[10:30:40] <tomba> garren|work: do you mean who coded DSS2, or who is doing code on top of it?
[10:32:32] <garren|work> tomba: who's coding it?
[10:32:43] <tomba> I am
[10:33:15] <garren|work> ok cool
[10:38:16] <rupeshgujare> tomba:can u point to ur git ?
[10:39:01] <tomba> only if you speak proper english
[10:39:13] <tomba> http://www.bat.org/~tomba/git/linux-omap-dss.git
[10:39:17] <rupeshgujare> ohh sorry ..
[10:39:43] <tomba> I don't know why but all the u, ur, etc leet language always annoys me =)
[10:40:54] <rupeshgujare> ohh ... one more lesson for me.. while talking on IRC, anyway thak you tomba :)
[10:41:42] <pp123> old habits die hard ;-)
[10:42:52] <tomba> I think it just tells that I'm too old =(
[10:47:04] <mru> tomba: that stuff annoys me 2 ;-)
[10:47:32] <mru> it really doesn't take much longer to type the full word
[10:48:59] <garren|work> too much cellphone sms'ing has cause all the abbreviations...
[10:51:01] <pp123> i have been trying to test usb eth on a custom board. it has a twl4030 transceiver. i am able to assign IP address to both gadget and host. but when i try to ping. it just hangs. i dont know what is happening in there.
[10:51:15] <pp123> has anyone test usb ethernet gadget with the lastest 2628 kernel
[11:03:47] <PhastPhrog> I'm not that brave sorry :-)
[11:16:47] <garren|work> tomba: how do you debug your DSS code, printf's?
[11:18:49] <tomba> garren|work: yes. and with Lauterbach HW debugger
[11:22:01] <garren|work> lauterbach HW is the expensive debugger toolset
[11:22:37] <koen> ah, rx51 is in l-o git now
[11:24:19] <rupeshgujare> l-o git? can you expand it?
[11:24:43] <DJWillis> rupeshgujare: Linux-OMAP git on git.kernel.org
[11:25:58] <rupeshgujare> ohhh .. lots abbreviations to learn :)
[11:28:32] <garren|work> rupeshgujare: I had the same problem a while back :-) had to learn all the abbreviations
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[11:33:47] <koen> heh
[11:33:55] <koen> I'm reading up on x264
[11:34:13] <koen> "x264 is a free library for encoding H264/AVC video streams. The code is written from scratch by .. M??ns Rullg??rd .."
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[11:35:03] <mru> heh, I don't think any of my code is still there
[11:38:02] <koen> holy crap
[11:38:06] <koen> talk about an ffmpeg release
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[11:39:30] <koen> mru: there probably isn't any neon stuff in x264, right?
[11:42:11] <rupeshgujare> I find following lines in OMAP35x Technical Reference Manual :- 13.4.2 SGX Register Description
[11:42:12] <rupeshgujare> For more information about register descriptions, contact your TI representative.
[11:42:34] <rupeshgujare> have anybody got this information from TI ?
[11:43:12] <tomba> I think that's quite secret
[11:43:25] <rupeshgujare> if yes, to whom shall I contact?
[11:44:08] <DJWillis> rupeshgujare: your TI rep? I think getting that info is not going to happen unless you have something very big in mind ;-)
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[11:45:43] <rupeshgujare> tomba: I saw a omap3-sgx.git/ as well other SGX drivers in community, i believe to develop it u require above info? am I correct ?
[11:46:37] <tomba> rupeshgujare: the community doesn't develop the drivers, we get them from TI/IMG and just try to get them running
[11:47:14] <mru> koen: no neon in x264
[11:47:19] <mru> would you like some?
[11:47:37] <DJWillis> rupeshgujare: there is some effort to RE the SGX core but I don't think anyone here is involved with that.
[11:47:50] <koen> mr I'd like neon everywhere :)
[11:48:02] <rupeshgujare> tomba:ohh i see.. can u expand IMG ?
[11:48:09] <DJWillis> mru: gets my vote ;-)
[11:48:24] <mru> is there interest in encoding h264 on omap3?
[11:48:33] <DJWillis> rupeshgujare: ImgTec who make the core design that TI use.
[11:49:04] <rupeshgujare> DJWillis:Thanx
[11:50:36] <koen> mru: encoding small webcam streams to h264 should be doable, right?
[11:51:06] <DJWillis> rupeshgujare: http://www.imgtec.com/forum/default.asp is there forum with very little info of merit ;-)
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[11:51:26] <mru> koen: yes, probably
[11:53:42] <koen> mru: my main usecase would be compressing time-lapse video in "realtime" to save space and bandwidth
[11:55:06] <DJWillis> koen: interesting, same usecase for me.
[12:01:40] <mru> how much will you pay for the asm?
[12:03:22] <tomba> with money everything is possible!
[12:03:43] <tomba> that's why DSS2 bugs so much. I'm not getting the money =(
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[12:15:41] <DJWillis> mru: now there is a snag ;-). I have no money and just a passing interest. Time to add 'Learn NEON' to the list ;-)
[12:18:02] <DJWillis> tomba: are you not sponsored somehow for all the DSS2 work?
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[12:22:13] <tomba> DJWillis: I work at Nokia, but with these salaries... I hardly get enough money to buy my weekly Dom Perignon '69
[12:23:47] <mru> tomba: you're in finland, you should be drinking cheap, russian vodka ;-)
[12:24:26] <DJWillis> mru: as long as it is not so cheap its meths
[12:24:52] <tomba> mru: but I want to be a civilized european citizen! everybody else in europe drinks champagne all the time, don't they?
[12:24:54] <DJWillis> tomba: I did not realise your Nokia, well I guess you will have to settle for a DM 76 and slum it ;-)
[12:25:06] <DJWillis> DP 76 even
[12:25:29] * mru actually has a bottle of champagne at home
[12:25:36] <tomba> see!
[12:25:59] * mru is going to paris tonight...
[12:27:02] <DJWillis> mru: cool, work or pleasure?
[12:27:11] <mru> work
[12:27:20] <DJWillis> :(
[12:27:42] <mru> it's a bit worrying that france is on strike tomorrow
[12:28:08] <DJWillis> I just assumed it always was on strike ;-)
[12:28:14] <tomba> what did you expect? that's what they do. the national past time fun.
[12:29:09] <mru> last time I was there it was fine
[12:29:46] <ldesnogu> mru: yeah big strike in France tomorrow :-(
[12:29:58] <ldesnogu> how do you come to France and when?
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[12:30:15] <mru> I'm flying to cdg this evening
[12:30:26] <ldesnogu> train strike starts this evening
[12:30:38] <ldesnogu> you'll probably have to take a taxi to go to Paris from the airport
[12:30:49] <mru> the company will pay for a taxi
[12:30:59] <jkridner> ping j24
[12:31:08] <ldesnogu> so pick a book to read while you're blocked in traffic jam :P
[12:32:10] * jkridner tries to be patient, but is near his wits end.
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[12:32:56] <ldesnogu> jkridner: did you try to contact j24 by e-mail?
[12:33:33] <koen> he's probably on strike as well
[12:34:19] <jkridner> he said yesterday that he would look at it when he got home. he was sick the day before.
[12:34:42] <jkridner> the only change was 1 word and dirk2 and I ran the test he requested.
[12:35:38] <Crofton|work> maybe I should go on strike?
[12:44:08] <koen> denix, jkridner: if you use DSS2 for psp 2.1.0.1 then the "0175-DVI-720P-and-480P-support-added.patch" isn't needed anymore, since DSS2 allows omapfb.video_mode in bootargs
[12:44:39] <jkridner> understood.
[12:45:05] <koen> PS2.1.0.1 looks exciting already
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[13:00:30] <garren|work> PS2? what is that?
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[13:52:10] <Crofton|work> ok gnuradio beaten into submission, now to figure out this OTG stuff
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[13:55:48] <craw> hi there
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[13:59:04] <koen> garren|work: PSP = product support package, what TI ships with the boards to show of the features
[14:00:10] <garren|work> koen: ok thanks for the info
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[14:09:31] * koen looks at http://www.gp32x.de/sneak2.jpg
[14:10:15] <koen> Crofton|work: did you remove R26 from your overo/summit already?
[14:11:17] <florian> koen: cool
[14:11:37] <florian> koen: and obviously they have someone who does good photos
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[14:12:43] <koen> florian: that's a render :)
[14:13:07] <florian> koen: impressive
[14:13:15] <mru> yes, clearly a render
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[14:13:49] <florian> indeed... but still pretty good
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[14:17:57] <Crofton|work> koen, not yet
[14:18:11] <Crofton|work> first I need to mount the build dir with nfs and look into the qa code
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[14:35:56] <Crofton|work> does the cabling between the beagle and a usb hub change when you change the kernel from host to otg?
[14:36:02] * Crofton|work suspects it does
[14:36:29] <koen> you need a proper mini host cable
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[14:37:56] <Crofton|work> time to go shopping
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[16:46:54] * bkero made a proper mini host cable with a soldering iron and a little blob of solder
[16:49:13] <PhastPhrog> ...for some values of "proper" :-)
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[16:58:25] <wikywahwah> any UK suppliers for beagle
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[17:00:16] <koen> digikey delivers worldwide
[17:00:29] <koen> I'm pretty sure that includes the UK
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[17:02:17] <PhastPhrog> wikywahwah: I'm in the UK, that's how I ordered mine
[17:02:20] <wikywahwah> do they ship from uk? i dont want vat surprise on arrival cos not only the tax but tnt will add a charge
[17:02:25] <PhastPhrog> Free shipping for orders > ??50
[17:02:50] <PhastPhrog> I paid ??108.17 delivered for my Beagle
[17:03:24] <wikywahwah> any tax surcharges on arrival?
[17:03:28] <dirk2> wikywahwah: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#Availability
[17:03:36] <PhastPhrog> None that I could see
[17:04:41] <wikywahwah> ok
[17:05:20] <wikywahwah> will they run a hard disc drive?
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[17:06:52] <PhastPhrog> wikywahwah: In theory they beagle should, via USB
[17:07:04] <wikywahwah> ok
[17:07:18] <koen> in theory CE-ATA should also work AIUI
[17:07:21] <PhastPhrog> If it's a bus powered drive you'll need a powered USB hub
[17:07:32] <wikywahwah> ethernet and hdd are my only requirements extra to whats there
[17:08:04] <PhastPhrog> ethernet would be via USB as well. (i.e. USB Ethernet adapter)
[17:08:05] <wikywahwah> but theres spi so i assume we could still mod to r/w to sata
[17:08:10] <wikywahwah> ok
[17:08:53] <PhastPhrog> Now I'm tempted to plug-in a USB harddrive to see what happens...
[17:09:54] <Ikarus> hmz, gumstix Overo 3530 based is delayed until Q3 appaerently :(
[17:10:14] <mcode> Hi, wondering if someone can help, I flashe dthe
[17:11:01] <koen> Ikarus: URL?
[17:11:06] <mcode> I flashed the nand with uboot, xloader and uimage and now dont get anything out of the serial port.. i cant seem to find any info on this in any docs..
[17:11:12] <Ikarus> koen: e-mail from them
[17:12:08] <mcode> boot from sd works fine, if i hold down user button, but boot from nand seems to be dead, is this known problem that any one has seen before ?? any help appreciated...
[17:14:03] <Ikarus> no response on when they might be including wifi and bluetooth again
[17:14:59] <PhastPhrog> Nothing at all on the serial?
[17:16:40] * koen expects FCC is being a pain
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[17:17:07] <Ikarus> koen: heh, then they should register them for export only and get them CE tested :P
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[17:17:48] <Ikarus> FCC being a pain wouldn't surprise me though, iirc they don't have an antenna fixed on the Overo
[17:18:26] <Ikarus> and as it is only valid for a given combination of board + chip + antenna....
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[17:19:36] <mcode> sorry, lost my net connection, yep no outpu ton serial...
[17:23:35] <mcode> closest thing i could find to my issue is : http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/issues/detail?id=34
[17:23:45] <mcode> but no fix is described !!!!!
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[17:26:57] <wikywahwah> anyone got 720p video playing?
[17:29:21] <mcode> ok I need to follow this : http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardRecovery .. mmm lets see how it goes :-)
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[17:29:27] <PhastPhrog> mcode; Other guys here might have a better idea, all I can think of is just that, yeah :-)
[17:29:29] <PhastPhrog> You beat me to it
[17:29:36] <PhastPhrog> Reset the Flash and try agian
[17:29:52] <PhastPhrog> I had a lot of trouble getting Angstrom written flash
[17:30:46] <PhastPhrog> http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_frm/thread/53861ad88e6c73f/f28265699bf75084?
[17:31:58] <PhastPhrog> altho it worked in the end
[17:33:21] <mcode> ok, how do I reset the flash ? just erase command ?
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[17:34:17] <PhastPhrog> errrr, whatever it says in the wiki :-)
[17:34:35] <mcode> ok no probs..
[17:34:44] <mcode> thanks for the pointers.. fingers crossed.. ;-)
[17:35:18] <PhastPhrog> That erase always seemed work for me
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[17:35:51] <PhastPhrog> it might complain about about crc(?) errors in nand afterwards. savenev seems to take care of that
[17:36:15] <PhastPhrog> right, home time
[17:36:17] <PhastPhrog> laters all
[17:36:24] <PhastPhrog> Good luck mcode
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[17:55:26] <assem> assuming this contains the right sized DC connector, would this AC/DC supply work? http://www.amazon.com/PowerLine-0900-77A-1300mA-Universal-Adapter/dp/B000QFLWAG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1233148040&sr=1-2 could anyone recommend another option?
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[18:00:45] <kapare> Hi I'm having problem to do BeagleBoardRecovery procedure successfully. Is there someone that is able to help me with that?
[18:01:48] <PhastPhrog> HI
[18:01:51] <PhastPhrog> I can try :-)
[18:01:57] <PhastPhrog> what's happening?
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[18:10:17] <kapare> PhastPhrog: see http://pastebin.com/m6474f807
[18:11:09] <kapare> PhastPhrog: This is what I have done
[18:11:12] <PhastPhrog> It just stops at "Starting OS Bootloader..."
[18:11:14] <PhastPhrog> ?
[18:11:50] <PhastPhrog> Obvious question perhaps, how are you rebooting your Beagle?
[18:12:03] <kapare> yes and since I'm not seeing Starting on with MMC and Starting OS Bootloader from MMC...
[18:12:24] <PhastPhrog> (Should: Remove power, press and hold User button, then release it when you see the beagle starting)
[18:12:35] <kapare> I think that there is something wrong with what I doing?
[18:13:47] <PhastPhrog> Might be, I'm not sure. Have you tried this: http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleBoardDiagnostics
[18:14:45] <PhastPhrog> Main thing is to hold the User button when applying power
[18:16:07] <kapare> not try should I try?, is it possible that i have a bad calcul for the number of Cylinders for your SD? or beacause I did not used sync before I umount?
[18:17:00] <PhastPhrog> that's possible too.
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[18:17:27] <PhastPhrog> I have never had to change those settings
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[18:18:41] <mcode> quick question, is there supposed to be an MLO in nand flash to? or is the MLO only for SD card ?
[18:18:51] <garren> koen: where can I look for the DSS2 code in the 2.6.28 kernel from OE?
[18:19:33] <PhastPhrog> mcode; don't know sorry
[18:19:58] <kapare> PhastPhrog: The procedure that you gave me said to copy x-load.bin.ift for NAND as x-load.bin.ift and MLO as MLO should I copyx-load.bin.ift for recovery procedure to and before the MLO?
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[18:20:42] <koen> garren: how do you mean?
[18:20:44] <PhastPhrog> mlo *Must* be the first file you copy to the SD card, after format/mkfs
[18:20:56] <kapare> mcode: I'm just starting to learn but I don't think go to http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleSoftCompile
[18:21:49] <garren> I'm interested at looking at the DSS2 code if possible, when can I locate it in the kernel source?
[18:22:11] <koen> garren: the patches are in packages/linux/linux-omap-2.6.28
[18:22:32] <koen> garren: the patches sourcecode is in /tmp/work/beagleboard.../linux-omap.../git
[18:22:51] <garren> great thanks
[18:23:38] <kapare> mcode: x-loader + CFG_CMD_MMC = x-load.bin.ift for NAND and x-loader + CFG_CMD_MMC = MLO for SD
[18:25:13] <kapare> mcode: mean CFG_CMD_MMC disable in the NAND case
[18:25:59] <koen> kapare, mcode the instructions in http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleSoftCompile are so outdated it isn't funny anymore
[18:27:41] <kapare> koen: thx, so if I want to recompile the MLO_restore for example what should I check?
[18:27:43] <mcode> PhastPhrog ... many thanks for your help, i have unbrocked it.. had to erase each flash partition, and grabbed the latest flash files from the beagleboard goolge code download site.. all ok and working now...
[18:28:02] <PhastPhrog> Excellent
[18:28:25] <PhastPhrog> I have found the Beagle very fiddly to begin with; it's a steep learning-curve :-)
[18:28:40] <mcode> :-)
[18:29:11] * ogra wonders if PhastPhrog every tried to install a thecus or nslu2 :)
[18:29:15] <ogra> *ever
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[18:34:43] <PhastPhrog> ogra: I can't even spell them, let alone install them :D
[18:35:14] <ogra> heh
[18:35:28] <ogra> the beage is awesome in its userfriendlyness :)
[18:35:31] <ogra> *beagle
[18:36:25] <ogra> (for an arm system)
[18:38:41] <PhastPhrog> It's all relative I guess :-)
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[18:39:12] <mcode> nslu2 is straightforward compared to beagle...
[18:39:13] <mcode> :-)
[18:39:20] <PhastPhrog> I have, many moons ago, programmed in raw machine-code on a box that had lights for each bit. And, that was all
[18:39:21] <mcode> ok l8rs. thanks for the help....
[18:39:29] <PhastPhrog> one row of 16 lights, plus a few extras
[18:40:04] <mcode> question is how many educational establishments today, teach raw machinecode or low level coding ??
[18:40:23] <PhastPhrog> Not many I suspect
[18:41:52] <kapare> hehehe what you mean by raw machine ? ;) assembler!
[18:41:53] <PhastPhrog> On of these babies: http://www.kh6bb.org/new7.jpg
[18:42:10] <mcode> assembler, hex, even c...;-)
[18:42:29] <mcode> thats way old school..
[18:42:33] <kapare> Nice picture
[18:42:37] <PhastPhrog> Oh yeah :-)
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[18:43:46] <PhastPhrog> AN-UYK/20. and it's big brother, the 7. Altho that had a a terminal And punched-paper tape. Too easy :-)
[18:45:26] <kapare> Question: what are 255 heads, 63 sectors/track and why should we use that settings?
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[18:48:09] <kapare> If I have 2059 MB, 2059403264 bytes I should put 2059403264 / 255 / 63 / 512 = 250.3748... so I should put 250 for my cylinder correct?
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[19:25:43] <ds2> a
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[19:48:42] <jcrox> Does anyone have experience with Belkin zd1211 usb wifi adapter?
[19:49:15] <jcrox> have been reading previous posts with no luck
[19:55:31] <garren> jkridner: maybe something to put on the beagleboard website: http://www.embeddedlinuxprimer.com/node/41
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[20:38:08] <new2> hi
[20:38:17] <koen> RogerMonk: I just made some headway with building dmai 1.16 for davinci in OE
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[20:47:36] <RogerMonk> koen - excellent
[20:47:56] <RogerMonk> I'm seeing issue with ffmpeg fetch - you aware of this?
[20:49:44] <garren> night all
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[20:51:31] <Crofton|work> my mini a/b to A receptacle really won't work in OTG mode right
[20:51:41] <Crofton|work> this cow town I live has no OTG cables
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[20:51:49] <koen> RogerMonk: no, works fine for me
[20:52:20] <Crofton|work> koen, local cached copy?
[20:52:41] <RogerMonk> koen - did you try do_fetch -f?
[20:52:44] <koen> Crofton|work: no, I had the autobuilder fetch & mirror it
[20:53:55] <florian> re
[20:55:05] <Batko_Marto> is dmai working for the beagle?
[20:55:46] <sakoman> Crofton|work: I've only found OTG cables online. They are rare!
[20:55:53] <RogerMonk> Batko_Marto, we're starting with davinci first, then omap/beagle
[20:56:04] <Batko_Marto> ok
[20:56:10] <Crofton|work> yeah, I need to buy one
[20:56:38] <sakoman> did you get a white USB cable with your Overo?
[20:56:45] <Crofton|work> koen, we should think aout leaving the OTG port as host only, at least only more people have rev C
[20:56:54] <Crofton|work> crap
[20:56:58] <Crofton|work> I just found it
[20:57:03] <Crofton|work> koen, never mind
[20:57:06] <Crofton|work> wait, mind
[20:57:13] <Crofton|work> I'm just lucky
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[20:57:27] <Crofton|work> sakoman, I had been hunting for this cable, but just found it on my desk
[20:57:43] <sakoman> Crofton, the white USB cable is min-A to mini-B and works with many hubs
[20:57:44] <Batko_Marto> RogerMonk: is there another way to get accelerated video streaming/encoding/decoding for the beagle?
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[20:59:11] <RogerMonk> Batko_Marto, dmai/codecengine,etc will be the easiest
[20:59:20] <RogerMonk> hopefully we'll be there soon.
[21:00:10] <Crofton|work> thanks sakoman that is working
[21:00:36] <Crofton|work> koen, we should pay attention to noise about the OTG USB
[21:04:43] <Batko_Marto> RogerMonk: any idea when can we expect this?
[21:04:45] <eFfeM> koen, does building ekiga still work for you I get errors in configure!
[21:04:58] <eFfeM> koen see pm for 10 line log
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[21:20:03] <koen> Crofton|work: you can make it host in the defconfig if you want
[21:20:08] <koen> Crofton|work: I have working EHCI :)
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[21:22:14] <Crofton|work> I'm concerned people with rev B have the mini-a to A recpeptacle already
[21:22:22] <Crofton|work> maybe we should poll the beagel list
[21:22:38] * koen will have a mini-a to mini-b soon
[21:22:39] <Crofton|work> and see if this is a real problem or my imagination
[21:22:43] <Crofton|work> :)
[21:22:48] <Crofton|work> mine is working again
[21:23:09] <Crofton|work> it wasted a day finding a cable that was in front of my face, and not in stores ...
[21:23:42] <Crofton|work> let me send something to the list
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[21:30:46] <Crofton|work> If I screwed anything up in the email, please kick me
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[21:57:34] <prpplague> holy cow, lots of omap3 patches today
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[22:09:34] <jkridner|work> Crofton|work: When Rev C becomes prevalent, I'd expect people to want the OTG port to work as gadget only. Fine to fix as host-only for now, but I think that is a bit limiting. Any chance to build two kernels?
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[22:11:03] <Xenion> jkridner|work, any idea when c rev will be avail for the "masses" :-)
[22:11:09] <Crofton|work> I'm not sure if we have an automagic way to build multiple kernels with different configs from one recipe
[22:11:57] <Xenion> btw, just a question using uboot 1.3.3 is it normal that the beagleboard crashes when running "fsinfo" ?
[22:12:57] <Xenion> Crofton|work, to accomplish this using scripts, would be an easy task
[22:13:06] <mru|paris> Xenion: rev c should be available in march
[22:13:09] <Xenion> you could even provide nightly builds
[22:13:35] <Xenion> mru|paris, march? are there any problems, i thought it would be sooner ?
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[22:15:07] <mru|paris> march has been the official date for quite a while
[22:15:20] <mru|paris> the C1D boards are in pretty good shape
[22:15:31] <Xenion> k
[22:15:35] <mru|paris> C2 will go on sale
[22:15:42] <Xenion> ah
[22:15:45] <Xenion> that was my mistake
[22:15:47] <mru|paris> jkridner should know what the difference is
[22:15:53] <Xenion> i thought the c1 would go on sale too
[22:16:57] <Xenion> maybe someone could post the differences in the elinux wiki ?
[22:17:10] <Xenion> could be usefull for devs who are waiting for C rev :)
[22:17:31] <koen> mru|paris: joining the strike?
[22:17:50] <mru|paris> haven't seem much of it
[22:18:01] <mru|paris> took a taxi from the airport to the hotel
[22:18:29] <Xenion> mru|paris, is it possible to exchange some, broken ( by design ) B4 board to newer C oder B7 rev boards ?
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[22:19:39] <mru|paris> Xenion: I doubt it
[22:20:02] <mru|paris> the limitations of B boards are clearly stated
[22:20:50] <Xenion> mru|paris, even if there are known bugs that where found afterwards ?
[22:21:27] <Xenion> it's just that i have a B4 rev board lying here which isn't of much use because of the freeze bug, which was due to a broken IC which was fixed in B5 :/
[22:21:37] <Xenion> ther's no software trick to fix this one
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[22:24:22] <mru|paris> Xenion: which bug are you referring to?
[22:25:23] <Xenion> mru|paris, i will have to dig it out on the wiki .. but it shows as the following
[22:26:43] <Xenion> you start the board ( connected to RNDIS or power-supply doesnt matter ), it is working fine through serial line .. you can do things like run programs and so on .. if you now leave it alone for 15 minutes .. it is somehow froozen
[22:27:08] <Xenion> you can still use it via ssh, ping it but some things like serial or certain I/O lines are just "dead"
[22:27:26] <mru|paris> I thought the freezing serial port was solved
[22:27:29] <Xenion> i've read about it in the ML and the wiki as a known B4 bugs which was fixed in B5
[22:27:44] <mru|paris> you can easily modify the board
[22:27:50] <mru|paris> you just have to remove a capacitor iirc
[22:27:59] <Xenion> mru|paris, in b5 maybe .. because in B7 it is wokring using the same kernel and same uboot
[22:28:16] <mru|paris> the difference between b4 and b5 is the removal of that capacitor
[22:28:18] <Xenion> mru|paris, can you remember which one ? i tried to find this info
[22:28:25] <mru|paris> I don't remember
[22:28:27] <koen> is that the c70 thing?
[22:28:41] <Xenion> mru|paris, if it only where this, it would be "cool"
[22:28:42] <mru|paris> I have a pre-B4 board without it...
[22:28:51] <Xenion> i see
[22:29:09] <Xenion> koen, c70 ? you mena capacitator 70 ?
[22:29:16] <koen> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#Errata
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[22:29:41] <koen> "There is one software workaround and one hardware fix for this: (A) Software workaround: Don't use 32kHz timer to clock Linux, instead use MPU timer. (B) Hardware workaround: Remove capacitor C70, which improves the 32kHz clock quality and avoids hang-up. "
[22:30:04] <Xenion> koen, thanks
[22:30:25] <Xenion> just to be sure .. is there any kind of "warranty" that may be void after this ? ^^
[22:30:49] <Crofton|work> rofl
[22:30:53] <ant__> he..remembers me Abit BP6 overclocking...
[22:30:57] <koen> no idea on that
[22:31:02] <Xenion> :-)
[22:31:06] * koen only has prototype beagles
[22:31:17] <Crofton|work> mine is an A5
[22:31:23] <Xenion> koen, cool, what kind of prototypes ?
[22:31:25] <Crofton|work> I have certainly voided the warranty
[22:31:32] <koen> A5, CP and C1D
[22:31:44] <Xenion> koen, cool
[22:31:45] <Xenion> :-)
[22:32:05] <koen> my A5 board has a few tweaks: new coils, no c70, fixed audio jack
[22:32:42] <koen> and according to likewise it has a new power IC as well, since +12V blew up the original one
[22:32:43] <Xenion> <- i thing i started off with beagle on the wrong foot .. i hit the c70 bug and spent 1 week to figure out it wasn't due to a kernel problem and just bought a new one ( higher rev )
[22:33:17] <Crofton> Yuck. That's revolting and extremely fragile. Don't play these games.
[22:33:25] <Crofton> Arm kernel devs needs a thick skin
[22:33:49] <koen> Crofton: no, they just need to ignore 90% of RMKs output
[22:34:00] <Crofton> heh
[22:39:59] <raster> koen: any good reason why building qemu-native .. would use the host gcc not the gcc-initial built for oe?
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[22:42:29] <koen> raster: gcc-initial is a cross toolchain
[22:42:41] <ant__> raster: qemu needs gcc3. why host gcc? There is a gcc-native-3.4.6 exactly for this purpose
[22:43:02] <koen> <foo>-native is almost always built with your host gcc
[22:43:03] <mru|paris> qemu svn doesn't need gcc3
[22:43:12] <ant__> good news then :-)
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[22:47:59] <raster> koen: i thought it was the native gcc (ie produces x86 binaries on an x86 host) in order to build the gcc-cross ?
[22:48:30] <koen> raster: no, gcc-cross-initial is mainly for headers
[22:48:42] <raster> koen: the problem is.. qemu-svn decides to explicitly chose the host gcc-3.4 - and thus hits assm errors
[22:48:44] <koen> if it produces x86 stuff it's called <foo>-native
[22:48:49] <raster> as opposed to using the oe internal gcc
[22:49:09] <raster> oh ok - but.. the point being
[22:49:22] <raster> why does qemu_svn-native.. use the host gcc
[22:49:32] <raster> this is why some people have qemu problems - others dont
[22:49:36] <koen> it should use gcc-native, but I'm not sure what trigger a gcc-native build
[22:50:07] * koen doesn't have a gcc 3.x on his host
[22:51:29] <raster> sure
[22:51:40] <raster> but... shouldnt this be more a matter of makign oe more self-contained
[22:51:47] <raster> so everyone at least sees the same bugs?
[22:51:53] <koen> heh
[22:52:01] <koen> I'm all for making it more selfcontained
[22:52:23] <koen> but I have received enough hatemail for 10 lifetimes for "making builds take longer"
[22:52:51] * koen still wants to turn on full dependency rebuild tracking
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[22:54:07] <raster> ahhaha
[22:56:21] <koen> hmmm
[22:56:36] <koen> learning jquery or beating DMAI into a building state
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[23:06:10] <raster> dmai
[23:06:12] <raster> :)
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[23:47:40] * florian (n=fuchs@f048041017.adsl.alicedsl.de) Quit ("Verlassend")
[23:48:44] * jkridner|work is happy about http://git.denx.de/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=u-boot/u-boot-arm.git;a=summary
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[23:52:29] <Gareth> jkridner|work: howdy.
[23:54:09] <jkridner|work> hi Gareth
[23:54:23] <jkridner|work> that is, Howdy!
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