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IRC Log for 2009-02-25

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[04:04:10] <ryno> gday
[04:04:51] <ryno> quick question, is the angstrom-dstribution mirrored anywhere?
[04:05:18] <ryno> I keep trying to download it and I think the stoopid ISA server here keeps corrupting it
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[04:24:40] <raster> hmmm
[04:24:45] <raster> ok now i'm stumped
[04:24:58] <raster> i'm sure its possible... to create an executable you CAN dlopen() as if it were a .so
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[06:19:44] <_AV500_> gm
[06:22:00] <raster> boo
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[06:23:31] <raster> quick q...
[06:23:45] <raster> any idea of how to compile an executable.. that u can ALSO dlopen() ?
[06:27:53] <_AV500_> http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-help/2003-07/msg00232.html
[06:28:34] <raster> ooow awesome
[06:28:35] <raster> that was it
[06:28:39] <raster> almost had it
[06:30:06] <_AV500_> thank google :-)
[06:30:46] * Pyrodogg hails the benevolent overload that is google
[06:30:54] <raster> i have been googling
[06:30:59] <raster> seems i just googled the wrong things
[06:31:09] <_AV500_> I was googler than you!
[06:31:19] <raster> HAHHAHAa
[06:31:20] <raster> hmm
[06:31:23] <raster> not quite
[06:32:23] <_AV500_> no?
[06:32:37] <raster> command not found
[06:32:43] <raster> works as a .so
[06:33:01] <raster> but not as an executable
[06:33:43] <vlad_> are you using the right ld.so?
[06:33:49] <vlad_> I don't think ld.so.1 is the right thing any more, unless it's magic
[06:33:53] <raster> actually..
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[06:33:57] <raster> i'm trying to find my ld.so
[06:34:01] <_AV500_> http://durgaprasad.wordpress.com/2006/11/13/solarismake-a-shared-library-which-can-be-executable/
[06:34:04] <vlad_> ld-linux.so.2
[06:34:12] <_AV500_> talk about the interp. thingy as well
[06:34:14] <raster> ooh of course
[06:34:17] <raster> forcgot
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[06:34:51] <raster> hmm, nup
[06:34:54] <raster> back to segv land
[06:35:19] <_AV500_> strace?
[06:35:24] <_AV500_> gdb?
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[06:35:36] <raster> oooh ooh nasty
[06:36:08] <raster> ok it runs... but... somewhere deep inside shared libs it links to that also dlopen stuff... it segv's
[06:37:21] <raster> boo
[06:37:28] <raster> so close.. and yet... so far
[06:37:48] <raster> in fact some nasty things turn up in valgrind
[06:38:03] <raster> gdb is also most unhappy
[06:38:07] <raster> this is not going to be fun
[06:38:16] <_AV500_> :-(
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[06:39:38] <raster> my other option was going to be a little more complex and that is to split executabels into .so and "exec"
[06:39:47] <raster> with the app actually in the .so
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[06:39:58] <raster> and the main simply being a minimal launcher
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[06:45:12] <_AV500_> why do you need to exe the lib?
[06:46:58] <raster> i'm hacking up a "quicklaunch"
[06:47:09] <raster> basically the quicklauncher is already linked to all the shared libs
[06:47:14] <raster> and has already connected to x
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[06:47:29] <raster> and even loaded some known commend data files - thus seeded caches
[06:47:33] <raster> when u want to "run" an app
[06:47:48] <raster> u just open a unix socket conn to the quicklauncher and pass in the executable name/path and args
[06:47:54] <raster> and it dlopen's the exe
[06:48:06] <raster> finds a "special" entry point that is "post init"
[06:48:10] <raster> ands jumps right there
[06:48:19] <raster> (of course just before it forks etc.)
[06:48:29] <raster> then the quicklauncher just loops- shuts its x connection down
[06:48:32] <raster> reconnects
[06:48:36] <raster> and waits for next launch cmd
[06:49:27] <raster> so basically if u want to "run something really fast" it avoids a chunk of setup
[06:49:31] * _AV500_ makes a note not to ask raster anything before coffee
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[06:49:59] <raster> most people would go "wtf? u mean processes dont link and connect to x fast enough?"
[06:50:16] <raster> but.. believe it or not people bitch about 500ms start time
[06:50:22] <raster> so trying to squeeze that down
[06:50:26] <_AV500_> yep
[06:50:31] <_AV500_> understand
[06:50:49] <raster> but i also want it work "without" quicklaunch
[06:50:57] <raster> ie just run the app as normal - and u go the good old slow path
[06:51:09] <raster> so its compatible both ways
[06:51:30] <raster> thus the desire to have it work as an exe and be able to dlopen it
[06:51:40] <raster> so far its working a treat on the dlopen path
[06:52:01] <raster> if it cant dlopen the executable it'll internally fallback to fork+execvp
[06:52:07] <raster> so it will launch anything u ask it to
[06:52:08] <_AV500_> why not make a small exe of the same name that is found in PATH
[06:52:15] <raster> thats the other option
[06:52:29] <raster> and the small exe then dlopen's the .so of the main app
[06:52:32] <raster> i was hoping to avoid that
[06:52:37] <_AV500_> i see
[06:53:28] <raster> i was hoping to just have "add these link flags to your app and presto"
[07:20:20] <priyanka> hi everybody m trying to connect my beagle board to a TV via HDMI cable.. i can see the angstron logo before the kernel boots up but after taht is shows no signal
[07:20:52] <priyanka> i am using the kernel n filesystem downloaded from angstroms site
[07:21:13] <priyanka> can somebody help in troubleshooting this
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[07:36:19] <ZeZu> and finally you can actually tell the dc bootrom is running, just no textures yet
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[07:43:59] <sethn> How is the OMAP3 wrt to floating point performance?
[07:44:25] <sethn> I'm interested in using it with the open source music programming language SuperCollider for making "guitar pedals"
[07:44:42] <sethn> But SuperCollider is firmly entrenched in floating-point land
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[08:04:31] <mpoullet> good morning
[08:04:46] <no_mind> morning
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[08:05:56] <bkero> Oh nos, floating point numbers!
[08:06:26] <no_mind> let them float while you double :)
[08:07:07] <bkero> softfloat--
[08:07:23] <bkero> -funsafe-math-optimizations, hell yea!
[08:10:31] * koen would use the dsp for guitar pedals
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[08:14:49] <methril> good morning
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[08:19:11] <ldesnogu> ZeZu: even though having a manual would help, arm-dis.c is just not that hard to understand :)
[08:21:59] <ZeZu> ldesnogu: i dug it out earlier, but the manual is better for sure
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[08:27:17] <ldesnogu> ZeZu: if you had read gp32x carfully, I already hinted there that binutils was the way to go months ago ;)
[08:27:24] <ldesnogu> gp32x forum*
[08:27:46] <ldesnogu> anyway I hope ianr will be able to provide you with the manual
[08:27:52] <ldesnogu> or else I'll see what I can do
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[08:39:15] <ZeZu> hmm, ldesnogu: i do fuzzily remember a post on gp32x but i can't find it, anyhow I never did start work on it until three days ago :|
[08:40:48] <ZeZu> its not fun when the powervr emulation would require extremely slow mesa3d or writing a custom software renderer ... those are cool but not when your trying to fit them into something that the processor already can't keep up with
[08:41:58] <ZeZu> Anyhow, i'm happy to see it running, at a semi reasonable speed, i just found out about beagle contest and decided to rush things
[08:42:19] <ldesnogu> heh :)
[08:43:00] <ldesnogu> the good thing is that it will make your project open source (IIRC contest rules)
[08:43:20] <ldesnogu> and having an arm open source recompiler is certainly nice
[08:44:21] <mpoullet> hi, I've a problem with the new fakeroot-native_1.12.1.bb:
[08:44:24] <mpoullet> fakeroot-native-1.12.1: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/fakeroot/fakeroot_1.12.1.tar.gz has no entry in conf/checksums.ini, not checking URI
[08:44:40] <mpoullet> can I add the missing checksum per hand?
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[08:46:53] <ZeZu> sh1t
[08:46:57] <ZeZu> i didn't notice that
[08:47:08] <ZeZu> I have no trouble releasing the source to the compiler
[08:47:26] <ZeZu> but i dont know if the other dev. wants the source to the emulator released
[08:47:41] <ldesnogu> the emulator community is a mess :/
[08:47:44] <ZeZu> pretty sure contrary
[08:48:43] <ZeZu> its not like it used to be thats for sure
[08:49:14] <ZeZu> i'll probably just enter the compiler then, and use the emulator as a demo of it
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[08:56:52] <mpoullet> so, I've added the checksums per hand, and fakeroot works now
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[09:30:19] <agc> I want to install jamvm on the beagle from the feeds: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?pkgname=jamvm, which architechture shall I choose?
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[09:34:46] <agc> I want to install jamvm on the beagle from the feeds: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?pkgname=jamvm, which architechture shall I choose?
[09:35:18] <koen> agc: 'opkg install jamvm' on your beagle, it will choose the architecture automatically
[09:41:38] <agc> but which file shall i download?
[09:41:50] <agc> i don't have access to the internet yet
[09:42:45] <agc> isn't it possible to install a norma jdk from sun on the beagle? i'm getting an error when extracting the .bin file
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[09:51:08] <agc> I've downloaded jamvm for armv7a, and a few dependencies, but I'm getting errors when installing the files from the Package Manager
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[10:09:09] <agc> which is the easiest way to install jamvm on the beagleboard?
[10:09:28] <koen> get networking on your beagle, it isn't hard
[10:10:05] <agc> and after that (I'm waiting for the USB-Ethernet stick), opk installjamv should do all the work for me?
[10:10:36] <koen> yes
[10:10:45] <agc> (I meant 'opkg install jamvm')
[10:10:45] <agc> ok
[10:11:07] <agc> so it automatically connects to the feeds and searches for the best package and downloads the dependencies..??
[10:11:22] <koen> yes
[10:11:36] <agc> that's great! hope it works for me
[10:11:48] <agc> also, I've seen there is a mysql server version from the feeds
[10:12:41] <agc> have you tried it? should I type opkg install mysql-server?
[10:13:09] <agc> or only "... install mysql"?
[10:13:31] <Qball> opkg list | grep mysql
[10:13:33] <Qball> and you know
[10:13:39] <agc> ok
[10:13:43] <agc> thanks
[10:14:01] <agc> last question: do you know of any test bench for the beagle? any soft?
[10:14:48] <agc> I'vew tried Sysbench, but it prints an error when configuring which says "armv7l-unknown-linux"
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[10:17:43] <recalcati> Hi all
[10:17:48] <recalcati> everybody
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[10:28:33] <recalcati> swfdec and gnash not present in gentoo: http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/embedded/beagle/Packages . right?
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[11:10:49] <Qball> why is there an iconv in glibc-dbg but not in glibc
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[11:34:46] <Qball> hmm my opkg seems to be stuck in deadlock.
[11:34:56] <Qball> been using 100% cpu for the last 13 minutes
[11:36:33] <recalcati> Qball: really? not nice, any connection issue?
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[11:39:03] <Qball> recalcati: no, on installing libiconv
[11:39:08] <Qball> killing it, starting it
[11:39:11] <Qball> made it install it fine
[11:39:12] <Qball> weird
[11:40:08] <koen> libiconv?
[11:40:13] <koen> are you using uclibc?
[11:40:36] <koen> if not, something went wrong, since you want to use glibc's iconv, not libiconv
[11:47:16] <koen> raster: any news on the gles front?
[11:47:47] <raster> koen: ooh yes
[11:47:50] <raster> i need to get to that
[11:47:53] <raster> will do it tomorrow
[11:48:02] <raster> but today.. i made elementary entirely evil
[11:48:22] <raster> i got startup times for apps from exec to window chopped down
[11:48:38] <raster> elementary_test is now down from 4.7sec to 1sec
[11:48:51] <raster> mind u this isnt an omap3530 system
[11:49:03] <raster> its a 6410 with pretty much most of the fs on nfs via usb
[11:49:11] <raster> so its a bit poor thanks to usb + nfs
[11:49:16] <raster> but it give u an idea of the gain
[11:49:17] <raster> :)
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[12:12:18] <Beagle1> Hi - I'd appreciate it if anyone has any information about de-bricking a beagleboard - I'm only getting characters "40V" output via the serial port - none of the wiki 'howto's' seem to work in this situation
[12:16:04] <eFfeM> Beagle1 have you tried the howto's , they might work anyway
[12:19:22] <Beagle1> yes I have but I don't seem to be able to get past the "40V" - I think I've destroyed all the stuff in NAND so it won't boot to MMC etc
[12:20:50] <eFfeM> also not with the user button ?
[12:20:59] <eFfeM> if not you need to try one of the other things
[12:21:04] <Beagle1> yes also not with user button
[12:21:11] <jkridner> good morning all.
[12:21:24] * eFfeM has no experience but it should be possible to unbrick a system if NAND is destroyed
[12:21:44] <jkridner> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardRecovery
[12:21:50] <eFfeM> jkridner good morning
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[12:23:19] <Beagle1> have tried the wiki stuff before I asked here - as I dont have a valid x-loader anymore I can't use the recover MLO via MMC
[12:23:44] <eFfeM> you can download an MLO and put it on your card
[12:25:11] <Beagle1> have done that - recovery MLO on SDcard - cycled power, held user button but only get "40V" on serial port
[12:25:12] <eFfeM> Beagle1 http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/downloads/list
[12:26:10] <jkridner> Beagle1: x-loader is not required to perform the recovery. The MLO is loaded by the ROM.
[12:26:30] <jkridner> I suspect if you aren't getting MLO to run, then you have formatted the SD card incorrectly.
[12:27:43] <koen> raster: nice!
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[12:28:22] <jkridner> be sure to format the SD card with 255 heads and 63 sectors per track, flagged as bootable, and copy MLO first.
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[12:29:02] <eFfeM> download an image from amethyst and dd that on a unix box to an sd card
[12:29:18] <Beagle1> ok all thanks for your advice I'll reformat the SDCard and try again
[12:29:30] <eFfeM> Beagle1: good luck!
[12:32:55] <raster> koen: just played the same game maemo did. build apps so u have a .so and a exe.
[12:32:57] <raster> and a launcher
[12:33:04] <raster> the launcher can find the .so module from the exe given
[12:33:17] <raster> the exe if a symlink to the quicklauncher sill auto-fast launche when run
[12:33:28] <raster> or if u keep the small exe shim built will ran as before
[12:33:32] <raster> as it just loads its .so
[12:33:40] <raster> simple
[12:33:41] <raster> evil
[12:33:42] <raster> and works
[12:33:55] <raster> the launcher has already connected to x and done a whole bunch of setup work
[12:33:59] <raster> so the app doesnt have to
[12:34:08] <raster> forked child just inherits the fd's
[12:34:12] <raster> and everything else
[12:34:18] <raster> hooray for copy on write
[12:35:09] <koen> raster: sounds nice
[12:35:44] <koen> raster: but everything is in the same process, right?
[12:35:55] <koen> so a single error will bring down everything?
[12:39:27] <jkridner|work1> reminder to all, contest deadline is *this* Friday.
[12:40:26] <jkridner|work1> I'd especially like to see http://code.google.com/p/qemu-omap3/ be entered again.
[12:40:59] <jkridner|work1> and perhaps some of the other projects brought into shape.
[12:41:41] <eFfeM> jkridner, don't attract too much competition (big :-) )
[12:41:56] <koen> ah, there are 3 projects now
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[12:58:25] <raster> koen: oh no no - separate processed
[12:58:33] <raster> koen: fork children. copy on write
[12:58:52] <raster> the parent needs to reconnect to x and re-init before it can fork the next child
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[13:07:28] <koen> raster: ah, ok
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[13:08:31] <rbelem> Beagle1, I'm having the same issue right now
[13:14:48] <rbelem> hi all, my board is bricked too and i'm getting the following errors http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d78fb6b36 http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d53897951
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[13:15:51] <rbelem> i tried the mmc recover way
[13:16:07] <rbelem> i done everything as said
[13:16:35] <rbelem> but it insists in not work
[13:17:13] <eFfeM> is there a more explicit ref to gcc than just gcc ?
[13:17:20] * eFfeM is still struggling with cdrtools
[13:17:31] <eFfeM> it insists on using the native gcc
[13:18:25] <rbelem> i tried with three different sd cards, 256mb, 2gb and 4gb
[13:19:14] <eFfeM> rbelem: Beagle1: generate an image with http://amethyst.openembedded.net/~koen/narcissus/
[13:19:19] <eFfeM> be sure to select beagleboard
[13:19:24] <eFfeM> no need to select packages
[13:19:45] <eFfeM> it then comes with a .img.gz or .img.bz2 file (forgot which one)
[13:20:20] <eFfeM> uncompress take a 1 or 2 gb card and do dd if=imagefile of=/dev/sdX where X is the letter of your card
[13:20:26] <eFfeM> on a unix box
[13:20:39] <eFfeM> you can use dmesg to find out the drive letter after inserting the card
[13:20:49] <eFfeM> that would give you an mmc bootable card
[13:20:56] <eFfeM> gl
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[13:23:35] <rbelem> thanks eFfeM. I will try it right now
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[13:28:28] <recalcati> gentoo seems nice, all is compiled from source, but It seems less used than angstrom. for example swfdec and gnash are not present. http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/embedded/beagle/Packages
[13:28:53] <recalcati> I'm learning it on the pc by now.
[13:29:03] <jkridner> it is less used for embedded, but it is popular on the desktop.
[13:29:20] <jkridner> though not as popular on the desktop as Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, etc.
[13:29:39] <recalcati> jkridner: yes, I was trying to make a PC with beagleboard, so I was thinking about gentoo.
[13:29:41] <jkridner> still, a number of us here use Gentoo on our desktop.
[13:30:31] <recalcati> ubuntu declared to be standard on Cortex A8 for april 2009, but I didn't hear anything more
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[13:30:41] <jkridner> the first distro I had running on Beagle was Gentoo, but the OE folks were able to show a lot more faster due to having focus on cross-development and a lot of community around cross-development.
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[13:31:08] <jkridner> you can give Ubuntu 9.04 a try now.
[13:31:53] <jkridner> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/arm/
[13:32:07] * ogra looks up
[13:32:11] <ogra> oh :)
[13:32:41] <jkridner> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/arm/OMAP35x_EVM/
[13:32:45] <ogra> thats fairly outdated, i'd rather suggest https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch
[13:32:47] <jkridner> hi ogra. :)
[13:33:21] <ogra> (though you might need the kernels from my people.u.c site)
[13:33:44] <recalcati> thx everybody
[13:33:53] <ogra> ubuntu didnt merge the omap tree into its linux tree for 9.04, that will likely happen for 9.10 though
[13:33:59] <jkridner> recalcatti: so, not official today, but you can give it a try.
[13:34:04] <ogra> which means we'll have live images then for the beagle
[13:34:29] <jkridner> ogra: are there other limitations for us on 9.04? less built packages? ???
[13:34:47] <ogra> there might be some packages nobody cared for in universe
[13:34:48] <jkridner> I guess no support official for OMAP35x until 9.10?
[13:34:58] <ogra> ubuntu main is complete
[13:35:00] <recalcati> jkridner: by now, the more stable can be gentoo or angstrom. maybe more people use angstrom? maybe more people use angstrom for comiling the kernel.
[13:35:04] <ogra> right
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[13:35:32] <ogra> http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/ has a list of packages that failed to build
[13:35:37] <jkridner> well, the DSP integration stuff is happening first in Angstrom.
[13:35:48] <ogra> if oyu are looking for a particular package in universe, check there first :)
[13:35:55] <koen> s/first/only/ at the moment
[13:36:12] <jkridner> I expect that lots of things will continue to happen first in Angstrom, as the model is good for embedded collaboration.
[13:36:40] <ogra> as long as the changes flow back into the linux-omap tree or upstream thats fine :)
[13:36:42] <jkridner> yeah, things will probably get *completed* in Angstrom before pulled into the other distros.
[13:36:52] <jkridner> ogra: we are talking about user-land stuff here.
[13:36:58] <ogra> oh, k
[13:37:06] <ogra> i thought kernel patches
[13:37:07] <jkridner> the TI GStreamer plugins, 3D, etc.
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[13:37:14] <ogra> right
[13:37:21] * mru should probably publish his gentoo hacks
[13:37:40] <jkridner> yeah, kernel stuff will go through linux-omap, but I think you've seen the kernel patches that live in Angstrom waiting to go upstream.
[13:37:50] <koen> mru: please do, the pandora gentoo people seem to be clueless twats
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[13:38:17] <ogra> yup i did ... given that we wont merge linux-omap yet i stopped looking though and focused on userland
[13:38:30] * Crofton|work is sad THE gentoo is for ricers page is gone :)
[13:39:14] <recalcati> jkridner: yes, because OE is fantastique to replicate a setup. I'd like only to know how to get a tagged versione sometimes. In git I do it when I lost the good source version.
[13:39:18] <koen> Crofton|work: http://funroll-loops.info/ ?
[13:39:24] <AV500> Crofton|work: http://funroll-loops.info/
[13:39:26] <AV500> oops
[13:39:38] <Crofton|work> awesiome
[13:39:39] <Crofton|work> thanks
[13:39:50] * koen adds -noatime to his gcc args
[13:39:51] <Crofton|work> I thought it dispapeared once
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[13:42:21] <recalcati> maybe is not so nice the OE sintax. It's difficult to follow the package dependency. And I have to use beagle-board-demo-image and throghu away some packages, and try to have an e17 window manager that use a small cpu amount
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[13:47:23] <robclark> recalcati: bitbake has a --graphviz option to dump dependencies to a .dot file which could be converted into a picture...
[13:47:32] <robclark> maybe that is an easier way to see dependencies
[13:48:28] <recalcati> thx
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[13:50:53] <koen> "Watching shit scroll by for hours makes me a Linux expert overnight!"
[13:51:03] <recalcati> by now the another pb is to search inside recipes, for example all recipes of armv7 . and get, by for example 'cd openembedded; git checkout A_STABLE_TAG' a stable beagleboard source version
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[13:51:57] <recalcati> koen: like matrix ... you'll discover the truth
[13:52:17] <mru> gentoo doesn't make you an expert, but it *allows* you to be one
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[13:56:30] <recalcati> mru: so lackness of swfdec,gnash,vlc,mplayer isn't a big problem for time to market (http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/embedded/beagle/Packages) gstreamer yes, is present
[13:56:43] <recalcati> uuu it was a question
[13:57:02] <mru> I don't understand the question
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[13:57:56] <mru> recalcati: that's just a collection of prebuilt packages
[13:58:09] <mru> you're free to compile whatever isn't there yourself
[13:58:15] <mru> that's what gentoo is all about
[13:58:19] <recalcati> I'm afraid to choose gentoo and then to dealy to much the work due to lackness, if I'm true, of swfdec,gnash,vlc,mplayer
[13:58:50] <mru> those all have ebuilds
[13:59:04] <mru> but nobody has uploaded builds to that site
[13:59:24] <mru> just run emerge swfdec and it will build it for you
[14:00:29] <recalcati> ah, so, that link doesn't contain all gentoo packages.
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[14:01:31] <mru> http://packages.gentoo.org/categories/
[14:01:50] <mru> currently 13273 packages
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[14:04:11] <recalcati> very nice
[14:07:38] <recalcati> I don't find nor armv7 neither cortex A8. only arm
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[14:11:53] <florian> hi all
[14:13:17] <koen> hey florian
[14:14:54] <mru> recalcati: you can set whatever compiler flags you want
[14:15:08] <mru> if you configure it to use -mcpu=cortex-a8, that's what you get
[14:16:00] <mru> there's no need to differentiate between cpu variants at that level
[14:16:24] <mru> it's only used to mark packages as stable or not
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[14:17:07] <mru> and to set some default values
[14:19:28] <rbelem> Beagle1, any progress?
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[14:20:53] <rbelem> eFfeM, it did not work, i will try another sd card
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[14:34:48] <Beagle1> hi - good news - it was an incorrect sd format - so thanks for all your help - I'm on my way to debricking my beagleboard :)
[14:35:19] <rbelem> Beagle1, eFfeM it worked \o/
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[14:51:21] <rbelem> eFfeM, it stuck on "In: serial / Out: serial / Err: serial"
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[14:54:55] <mib_wmht0d> Hi, I've been having the same problems as http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/4139ac043b8df0d5/ed939ad53a431cf0?lnk=gst&q=ffmpeg#ed939ad53a431cf0 but no one has responded. Is there a fix for this?
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[14:55:56] <rbelem> eFfeM, now worked 100%
[14:56:06] <koen> mib_wmht0d: that's because the question has been answered before on the mailinglist and we hate to repeat ourselves when things like 'google' exist
[14:56:18] <rbelem> eFfeM, i fscked the vfat partition
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[15:00:01] <mib_o2vcnh> hello
[15:00:16] <dev-543> hey guys. I'm looking into getting RSE working with the beagle. Out of interest has anyone else looked at this?
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[15:01:30] <mru> rse? or maybe RSI? ;-)
[15:02:50] <rbelem> eFfeM, my beagle is working now
[15:02:56] <rbelem> thanks eFfeM
[15:03:13] <dev-543> Eclipse plugin Target Management: Remote System Explorer
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[15:06:36] <dev-543> Looks quite powerful
[15:07:16] <dev-543> Building perl and java for my beagle now and will see if it works :)
[15:07:28] <mru> dev-543: you're optimistic
[15:07:35] <dev-543> Yep :D
[15:08:38] <dev-543> Speaking of which, has anyone got KGDB working with the beagle (over USB g_ether?)
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[15:12:22] <dev-543> I only like doing the easy stuff ;)
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[15:21:04] * mru would like to know the magic required to cross-compile perl
[15:23:03] <Crofton|work> perl_x.x.bb :)
[15:23:28] <mru> I figured there'd be something there
[15:25:22] <dev-543> Both perl and java are in OE and I've added to my image which builds fine
[15:26:14] <dev-543> Running the rseserver returns "Networking problem, can't resolve local host". Investigations underway!
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[15:32:12] <mib_wmht0d> koen: Forgive me, but I can't see the solution.
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[15:51:22] <koen> mru: the truth is that perl doesn't really crosscompile
[15:52:02] <koen> mru: it takes lots of patches and creative sedding for it to stop hardcoding /usr/lib/perl* into its buildsystem
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[15:52:48] <koen> mru: and you have to basically generate a config by hand for each arch...
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[15:53:40] <mru> koen: that was my suspicion
[15:54:33] <koen> mru: I'm still convinced the OE build isn't doing the right thing, but it makes enough of perl work for me to ignore it :)
[15:55:16] <mru> maybe if I'm really bored some day I'll look into it
[15:55:28] <mru> or if I desperately need perl
[15:56:16] <koen> I suspect the quickest way is to build perl natively
[15:57:58] <mru> that would be cheating ;-)
[15:58:04] <koen> indeed :)
[16:00:48] <mib_wmht0d> koen: could you possibly point it to me?
[16:01:55] <mib_wmht0d> koen: Please?
[16:04:59] <koen> mib_wmht0d: rm DL_DIR/*git* -rf
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[16:17:26] <_whitefox> hi, I have question about migrating a software into Angstorm
[16:17:57] <_whitefox> what is the procedure for migrating software? Do I just copy the .gz file and just compile as normal?
[16:18:02] <_whitefox> sorry, I am new to embedded
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[16:18:26] <koen> _whitefox: create a recipe for in and let openembedded compile and package it for you
[16:18:45] <koen> eFfeM: btw, you mentioned cdrtools
[16:18:49] <kulve> _whitefox: if you want to compile it "as normal", checkout the scratchbox.org. For OE/?ngstr?m, listen to Koen :)
[16:19:43] <_whitefox> koen: could you point me to resource on how to create the receip for "in"?
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[16:20:05] <koen> eFfeM: I remember something about the cdrtools author going crazy and people created cdrkit
[16:20:18] <Crofton|work> ./me remembers the same thing
[16:21:28] <koen> I suspect Joerg would say effem needs to run solaris on his beagle
[16:22:29] <mib_wmht0d> koen:Thanks!, that worked. Don't understand why bitbake is that rigid though.
[16:22:42] <mru> koen: lol
[16:23:53] <koen> eFfeM: you could use update-alternatives to install wodim and cdrecord :)
[16:25:04] <_whitefox> should I use openbedded sccript or use scratchbox to crosscompile? how should I choose which option?
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[16:25:32] <mru> koen: have you ever met joerg?
[16:26:29] <kulve> _whitefox: I guess it depends on your goal.. ?ngtr?m provides a plenty of ready applications and is the most used build system on beagle
[16:26:58] <koen> mru: I don't think I did
[16:27:15] <koen> mru: although I think he was at the same conferences as I was in the past
[16:27:22] <mru> we had a live flame-war at linuxtag 2007
[16:27:35] <mru> much to the amusement of bystanders
[16:27:41] <_whitefox> kulve: I got unreadable code for ?ngtr?m
[16:27:50] <_whitefox> you mean angstrom?
[16:28:01] <kulve> _whitefox: I use ALIP (linux.onarm.com) for my projects
[16:28:12] <koen> mru: speaking of flamewars, do you know the status of the ffmpeg release?
[16:28:13] <kulve> _whitefox: yes, angstrom
[16:28:20] <koen> mru: the mailinglist is a bit quiet on it
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[16:28:27] <mru> koen: diego wants to make a release
[16:28:27] <koen> (well, the archives I skimmed are)
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[16:28:54] <mru> there's nothing special about it
[16:29:20] <mru> it will just be a name assigned to some arbitrary svn revision
[16:29:53] <koen> that is what a release usually boils down to in the FLOSS world
[16:31:03] <koen> OE is pretty much in the same boat as ffmpeg
[16:31:26] <mru> svn HEAD is usually the best ffmpeg revision
[16:32:03] <_whitefox> kulve: ok. I see how to use scratchbox to cross compile my app. After the compilation, how do I move it to have it run in the beagleboard?
[16:32:16] <mru> koen: FATE will tell you the current status of ffmpeg
[16:32:18] <_whitefox> kulve: I can copy to the SD card I guess.
[16:32:35] <_whitefox> and then is that it? I just don't quite get it. This is my first time...
[16:32:54] <koen> mru: depending how fast the mailmain goes from .us to .nl I should have a beagle to run FATE on for angstrom
[16:33:11] <mru> fate is already running on beagle
[16:33:41] <kulve> _whitefox: Scratchbox pretends to be a native ARM environment, so when you compile there, it will give you an ARM binary (you can check it with "file myapp"). I usually then just scp it to the board, if I have one already up and running
[16:33:41] <koen> I know
[16:34:07] <koen> kulve: and hope the sb toolchain matches the one used for the other apps on the board
[16:34:30] <kulve> koen: in my case it of course does. I don't which system _whitefox is using there..
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[16:34:47] <koen> and if the toolchain matches, hope you use the right CFLAGS and LDFLAGS
[16:35:10] * koen should look at updating the angstrom scratchbox toolchain
[16:35:40] <_whitefox> kulve: sorry for the stupid question. Does "scp" mean copy the binary to the SD card?
[16:36:54] <kulve> koen: mixing parts from different "distros" is probably a bad idea anyway..
[16:37:03] <kulve> _whitefox: scp is like cp but over ssh
[16:37:49] <kulve> _whitefox: but copying to SD card works also
[16:38:02] <_whitefox> kulve: ok thanks alot. I will give it a try.
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[16:40:33] <kulve> _whitefox: if you are going to try running ALIP on the beagle, you might want to ask ALIP related questions on #alip irc channel
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[16:41:22] <_whitefox> kulve: I am thinking about compiling the code in scratchbox and get the binary to copy to the SD card for my beagleboard. Then, I can try to run the application.
[16:41:32] <_whitefox> I don't know if I am right or miss something.
[16:43:40] <kulve> _whitefox: that sounds right. Setting up Scratchbo might not be easy if you haven't ever done it. You can check http://linux.onarm.com/index.php/From_scratch
[16:44:25] <_whitefox> kulve: thanks for the link
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[16:47:47] <kulve> _whitefox: if you have problems, try asking on #alip. I'm away for awhile now
[16:48:32] <_whitefox> kulve: thanks
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[16:50:48] <Crofton|work> jkridner, I must make a token complaint abuot the Beagle roadmap discussion occuring at an expensive conference
[16:51:28] * koen won't complain if someone sponsors attendance :)
[16:52:16] * Crofton|work can't be bought
[16:52:18] <Crofton|work> well
[16:52:23] <Crofton|work> that may not be true
[16:52:39] <Crofton|work> also, GSoC is accepting applications from mentoring orgs on March 9
[16:52:40] * koen is too young to have scrupules
[16:52:45] <Crofton|work> http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html
[16:56:34] * Crofton|work is too American to have scruples
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[16:57:34] <koen> Crofton|work: but you're an import american!
[16:57:41] <Crofton|work> yeah
[16:58:04] <Crofton|work> my one liner about the speech in another channel was better anyway
[16:58:06] <mru> he sounds like a real one
[16:58:26] <Crofton|work> :)
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[16:58:51] <koen> Crofton|work hates clam chowder, which means he can't run for president :)
[16:59:27] * Crofton|work also has to wait for the governator amendment
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[17:01:58] <Crofton|work> I wish google would have the "Summer of Doucmentation"
[17:02:28] <koen> that would be nice
[17:02:53] <koen> since only docs writing is explicitly excluded from GSoC
[17:03:22] <Crofton> yeah
[17:03:30] <Crofton> well, they want code related tasks
[17:03:35] <koen> "writing only docs" is more accurate
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[17:05:51] <flameman> hello
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[17:06:47] <flameman> anybody using gentoo with it ?
[17:06:50] <flameman> i can support it
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[17:07:10] <florian> hi flameman
[17:07:17] <flameman> hi
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[17:08:34] <eFfeM> koen saw your msg on cdrkit (was away for dinner), actually gnutoo on #oe suggested it at about the same time
[17:08:46] <eFfeM> there was no cdrkit pacakge so I made one :-)
[17:08:58] <eFfeM> was a piece of cake :-)
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[17:10:17] <mru> flameman: what "it"?
[17:10:29] <koen> in solaris the packages makes you
[17:10:34] <flameman> the beagleboard
[17:12:01] <eFfeM> btw no plans here to run solaris on beagle
[17:12:09] <eFfeM> but if anyone has a VMS port :-)
[17:12:26] <eFfeM> ;-)
[17:12:28] <flameman> solaris ?
[17:13:00] <eFfeM> (05:21:28 PM) koen: I suspect Joerg would say effem needs to run solaris on his beagle
[17:13:18] <flameman> aahahaha
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[17:23:35] <eFfeM> i thought things like /usr/local/bin and /usr/local/share/man would be packaged automatically
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[17:25:14] <koen> eFfeM: no, since /usr/local isn't supposed to end up in packages
[17:25:23] <koen> eFfeM: since it's meant to be 'local'
[17:25:39] <eFfeM> koen, ah ok, how to fix, cdrkit installs in /usr/local
[17:26:15] <koen> eFfeM: mv ${D}/usr/local/* ${D}${prefix}/ -f
[17:26:34] <eFfeM> cool construct
[17:27:18] <koen> since people can tell OE to build for a different prefix
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[17:31:24] <dev-543> Got RSE running on the beagle, that problem was it couldn't lookup the hostname (beagleboard) so it throw an exception. Adding beagle to /etc/hosts fixed that :)
[17:31:48] <dev-543> Just need to work out why it won't log in from the host side now :/
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[17:37:35] <garren> morning all
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[17:39:39] <eFfeM> garren: hi
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[17:42:11] <dev-543> yay, it works using ssh options. Could be that the dstore server isn't running
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[17:46:16] <eFfeM> no package that contains mkfs.ext3 ?????
[17:46:54] <mru> e2fstools
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[17:47:21] * eFfeM curses again at opkg; iconv is both in libiconv and glibc-utils and -force-owerwrite only burns cpu cycles
[17:47:35] <eFfeM> mru: thanks
[17:48:17] <eFfeM> e2fstools not in angstrom feed ?
[17:48:30] <mru> no idea
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[17:49:45] <eFfeM> ah, it is e2fsprogs :p
[17:50:11] <mru> sorry, my mistake
[17:50:32] <mru> it's nfs-utils though
[17:50:56] <eFfeM> well i installed e2fsprogs and i got /sbin/mkfs.ext3
[17:51:20] <eFfeM> sry, looked in wrong window
[17:52:24] <eFfeM> no mkfs.ext3 in nfs-utils :-(
[17:52:40] <koen> eFfeM: you do NOT want libiconv
[17:52:52] <eFfeM> koen why not ?
[17:52:56] <koen> eFfeM: if you built libiconv you need to wipe TMPDIR and hunt down the package that built it
[17:53:25] <koen> it is incompatible (or rather *too* compatible) with the glibc iconv implementation we use
[17:53:28] <eFfeM> i don't know who build it but when installing cdrkit it tried to install it
[17:55:11] <koen> that means your TMPDIR is now broken :(
[17:55:22] <eFfeM> :-(
[17:56:09] <eFfeM> ok, i know how i did this
[17:56:15] <eFfeM> is there a way to repair the tmp dir
[17:56:34] <eFfeM> or only clean part of it
[17:56:50] <eFfeM> don't want to spend hours rebuilding the cross tools and glibc and friends
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[17:59:02] <eFfeM> also still looking for a package that provides mkfs.ext3; e2fsprogs provides mkfs.ext4 and has update-alternatives --remove mkfs.ext3 mkfs.ext3.${PN}
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[18:00:08] <eFfeM> koen is it sufficient if I remove libiconv from work, stamps and everything htat was build after it (it was build yesterday)
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[18:03:30] <koen> eFfeM: bitbake -c clean on each package should to the trick
[18:03:36] <koen> since we have packaged-staging now
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[18:04:42] <eFfeM> koen, thanks, will try
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[18:05:38] <eFfeM> ls -lt in the ipk dir does miracles finding the right packages
[18:06:19] <koen> I wonder which package dragged it in
[18:06:28] * eFfeM did
[18:06:54] <koen> DEPENDS = "libiconv" should be changed to DEPENDS = "virtual/libiconv"
[18:07:24] <eFfeM> i was playing with modphp config settings, wanted to have ampache but it required iconv so I changed the configure options (removing --without-iconv)
[18:07:30] <eFfeM> so my own mistake
[18:08:06] <eFfeM> meanwhile i'll do mkfs.ext3 from my unix box
[18:10:02] * eFfeM says: if you want to be on the bleeding edge, sometimes it is you who will bleed
[18:10:06] <mru> eFfeM: do you hav mkfs.ext2?
[18:10:13] <eFfeM> yes, think so
[18:10:16] <mru> mkfs.ext2 -j is mkfs.ext3
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[18:10:52] <eFfeM> checked it, i do not have it, but i do have mkfs.ext4
[18:11:01] * eFfeM never used ext4
[18:11:06] <mru> do you have mke2fs?
[18:11:47] <eFfeM> no although someone gave me /etc/mke2fs.conf
[18:12:17] <eFfeM> the odd thing is that my backup sd card does have mkfs.ext3, but no idea where I got it from
[18:12:26] <eFfeM> i took a fresh card and reinstalled from scratch
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[18:15:01] <eFfeM> so must have gotten it from somewhere, but opkg list also does not list it
[18:15:51] <eFfeM> koen, thanks again, i've removed all packages made yesterday and today, rebuild cdrkit and libcap1 (needed for cdrkit) and now they install fine
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[18:22:08] <recalcati> anybody is compiling bitbake linux-omap_2.6.28 ? I don't understand why no new version.
[18:22:32] <recalcati> also bitbake linux-omap_2.6.29 no new version.
[18:24:21] <recalcati> and, in the mainline, I don't find Documentation/arm/OMAP , so I'm a little worried about the linux-omap kernel development
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[18:31:01] <dev-543> Grr, now I remember why I hate IDE's :(
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[18:32:44] <recalcati> where is the better kernel for DSS ?
[18:34:49] <dev-543> I hate to say it, but although WinCE is a pain to build, it's easy to debug
[18:35:02] <dev-543> *runs away*
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[18:38:36] <recalcati> WinCE , no
[18:42:41] <Qball> lol
[18:43:10] <dev-543> You show me a tool that I can use to simultaneously debug my kernel & userspace apps, launch programs, remote view filesystem, vnc, etc under Linux then
[18:43:37] <dev-543> (and yes I know "real men use printk")
[18:52:58] <eFfeM> stupid Q, do I need additional modules to write disks, cdrkit does not seem to like either of my drives
[18:53:45] <mru> eFfeM: you probably need sr_mod and sg
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[18:54:14] <eFfeM> isofs?
[18:54:21] <mru> that's only for reading
[18:56:31] <eFfeM> kernel is build with DEV_SG=y and DEV_SR=y
[18:56:53] <mru> don't know what that means
[18:56:59] <eFfeM> wodim sees the device but says wodim: Sorry, no supported CD/DVD-Recorder found on this target.
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[18:57:29] <eFfeM> mru the modules are build into the kernel, so this should not be a problem; /dev/sg1 is also there and is the writer
[18:57:51] <mru> and /dev/sr0?
[18:57:59] <eFfeM> is also there
[18:58:10] <eFfeM> tried to use both, same error msg
[18:58:28] <mru> and wodim dev=/dev/sr0 ... gives an error?
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[18:58:36] <mru> can you pastebin the full output?
[18:59:39] <eFfeM> mru http://www.pastebin.ca/1347054
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[19:01:40] <mru> eFfeM: silly question, but is that the correct model name?
[19:01:45] <eFfeM> this is the device: http://www.p4c.philips.com/cgi-bin/dcbint/cpindex.pl?ctn=SPD3400CC/10&scy=gb&slg=ENG
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[19:05:18] <mru> do you have another drive you could try?
[19:05:34] <eFfeM> yes also a philips one, same error
[19:05:48] <mru> does it work in a pc?
[19:05:57] <eFfeM> trying that right now
[19:06:01] <eFfeM> just bought it yesterday
[19:08:42] <eFfeM> it works on opensuse, see http://www.pastebin.ca/1347065 for output
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[19:11:32] <eFfeM> afk for 10 minutes
[19:13:00] <fayce> hey guys do you know where I can get angstrom kernel sources ?
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[19:14:22] <fayce> I need to write a kernel driver..
[19:16:52] <koen> fayce: you can get them with OE, which you can also use to compile your driver
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[19:21:10] <fayce> koen: thank you for your answer.. I'm figuring out how OE works....
[19:21:11] <recalcati> I don't understand where is the best kernel: linux-omap_2.6.28 / 29 or the mainline ? in the mainline there isn't Documentation/arm/OMAP . Any idea of kernel roadmap?
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[19:23:06] <fayce> koen: it seems complicated, I cannot just download a kind of kernel2.6.28-sources and copy that in my beagleboard before starting to write my module ?
[19:24:11] <recalcati> now I'm using 2.6.28 , texas is still at 2.6.22 or in a near future will be 2.6.26. I hope 2.8.28 is really stable and that I can develop for i2c and spi
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[19:29:03] <eFfeM> back
[19:30:07] <recalcati> now I restart in gentoo
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[19:54:41] <eFfeM> hm, cdrkit seems to need some work, I've dumped the cmd's and answers from the drive on beagle and pc and htey are identical. guess they are interpreted differently
[19:54:56] <eFfeM> are there any padding/alignment issues known between gcc arm and gcc x86
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[19:57:04] <eFfeM> or endianness ?
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[20:10:07] <eFfeM> mru, found the problem it is either struct field ordering or struct padding
[20:10:11] <eFfeM> struct scsi_inquiry {
[20:10:11] <eFfeM> Ucbit qualifier : 3; /* 0 */
[20:10:11] <eFfeM> Ucbit type : 5; /* 0 */
[20:10:21] * koen suspects padding
[20:10:24] <eFfeM> type here maps to the wrong bits
[20:10:27] <koen> since endiannes should be the same
[20:10:57] <eFfeM> type = 5 on opensuse pc and 0 on beagle
[20:11:13] <eFfeM> could also be packing
[20:11:18] <mru> padding in structs is undefined
[20:11:25] <mru> only an idiot would rely on it
[20:11:26] <eFfeM> i know :-(
[20:11:36] <mru> oh, wait... joerg wrote this?
[20:11:56] <eFfeM> well they do a scsi inquiry and read the bytes in a struct
[20:11:58] <eFfeM> probably
[20:12:09] <eFfeM> big parts of it are from joerg
[20:12:34] <eFfeM> actually it surprises me because in the past I had cdrecord working on nlsu, i believe even in big endian
[20:12:44] <koen> the cdrkit dude is also called joerg, btw
[20:12:47] <mru> but if it works on solaris it has to be correct!!!!1!!1!
[20:13:01] <koen> slowaris
[20:13:31] * koen is still annoyed with opensolaris not supporting sparc 5 machines
[20:13:54] <koen> and only telling it 15 minutes into the install
[20:14:12] <koen> cdrkit.org says "Joerg Jaspert (leader, release management)
[20:14:13] <koen> "
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[20:19:08] <mru> koen: how can it get 15 minutes into the install if it doesn't support the hardware?
[20:20:31] <eFfeM> mru that is like installing windows; I've had it boot and then when the install started it did not recognize the boot drive :-(
[20:20:56] * eFfeM is looking at gcc -fpack-struct
[20:20:59] * mru never installs windows
[20:22:22] <eFfeM> i had to at some point in time; dark spot in my life 8-)
[20:22:50] <koen> mru: by being compiled for regular sparc (sun4m?) and having the systemcheck in a weird place
[20:23:17] <mru> but if it runs for that long...
[20:23:42] <mru> what's the difference anyway>
[20:23:43] <mru> ?
[20:24:15] <jkridner|work> anybody know if zgb is built for Beagle?
[20:24:31] <koen> iirc opensolaris only supports supersparc and SMP sparc, not puny single core sparcs
[20:24:51] <koen> jkridner|work: zgb?
[20:26:12] <mru> but how does the installer run *at all* if the cpu isn't supported?
[20:26:49] <eFfeM> jkridner|work: contest2: Friday, February 27, 2009 (afternoon) is that afternoon in your TZ or mine ?
[20:27:07] <koen> mru: my guess would be to have a pretty error message telling people to get a supersparc, instead of crashing
[20:27:32] <eFfeM> probably will finish somewhere before friday 19.00 GMT
[20:27:43] <eFfeM> btw anyone know a good place to dump an image ?
[20:27:47] <mru> I said how, not why
[20:27:56] <jkridner|work> sorry zgv
[20:27:57] * eFfeM only has a 1Mbit uplink
[20:28:45] <jkridner|work> eFfeM: is it too big for code.google.com? I think they host 100M. :-|
[20:28:50] <koen> mru: the installer is compiled for a regular sparc cpu
[20:29:14] <koen> mru: since supersparc runs that sparc code as well
[20:29:38] <koen> anyway, my sparc 5 runs gentoo
[20:29:41] <koen> not slowaris
[20:29:52] <eFfeM> jkridner, uncompressed my ext3 fs is 364MB, guess that will be around 150 mb after compression
[20:30:02] * eFfeM in the past also used 110mb.com
[20:30:33] <eFfeM> of course I can just submit a recipe, but the problem is that some of the pacakges are still not on the feed or do not compile on tinderbox although they compile for me
[20:30:38] * eFfeM kicks tinderbox
[20:30:39] <Vegar> how are the video playback capabilities of the beagle these days?
[20:30:42] <Vegar> can it do 1080p?
[20:31:05] <koen> depends on codec and desired framerate
[20:31:47] <eFfeM> and on a monitor
[20:31:56] * eFfeM did not manage to get 1080p on his tv
[20:32:14] <Vegar> really?
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[20:32:20] <eFfeM> nor 720p although i understood taht 1280x720MR-24@60 should work
[20:32:27] <eFfeM> need to retry that
[20:32:27] <jkridner|work> my only hesitation to host is tracking down the licensing.
[20:32:38] <Vegar> is the TV picky about the refresh rate?
[20:32:47] <eFfeM> depends on your tv
[20:32:54] <Vegar> I meant your TV
[20:33:15] <eFfeM> jkridner|work: I can also submit a recipe
[20:33:43] <eFfeM> well internally it is 1080p but not sure about the interfaces. need to try with 720
[20:33:44] <jkridner|work> would that get built as part of Angstrom?
[20:34:30] <eFfeM> yes, everything I made is in openembedded, I've committed all my changes
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[20:34:59] <eFfeM> apart from the pvr stuff which is just a bunch of web pages, but the pvr does not work, apparently a usb issue in the otg driver
[20:35:02] <koen> eFfeM, jkridner|work: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/msg/d96b8d3e3c94dd4e
[20:35:58] <eFfeM> koen, saw that, but the post from mre is pre .28 not sure if that is still applicable (pixel clock changed?)
[20:36:28] <eFfeM> s/mre/mru/
[20:38:09] <koen> it us
[20:38:33] <koen> mru put in the specs, it's just that DSS1 couldn't cope with it
[20:38:42] <eFfeM> ah ok
[20:40:00] <koen> Matthieu is saying "the timings you need to add to modedb are in this patch from mru, have fun"
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[20:43:30] <eFfeM> ok will look at it after the contest, I don't think I can get that done before
[20:43:46] * eFfeM has to work tomorrow and friday as well
[20:45:17] <eFfeM> koen: btw have you changed uimage to uimage.bin in the generator?
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[21:00:37] <eFfeM> Vegar, koen just tried 1280x70MR-24@60, this does not work on my TV but it does work on my monitor
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[21:03:11] <koen> eFfeM: that indicated that the timings aren't conforming to the hdmi spec
[21:03:20] <koen> eFfeM: and that your monitor is less picky about them
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[21:04:03] <eFfeM> koen, i know so i need mru's settings (or wait until they become official)
[21:05:02] * koen is waiting for someone to create a patch to modedb.c
[21:05:14] <koen> tomba: is the latest DSS2 still using modedb.c
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[21:16:06] <Crofton|work> where is that page with atomic operation implementations
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[21:18:31] <koen> Crofton|work: libatomicops?
[21:19:48] <Crofton|work> i think it was in llvm
[21:25:50] <Crofton|work> http://chandlerc.net/llvm_atomics.html
[21:25:57] <Crofton|work> but it seems to ahve disappeared
[21:28:35] <fayce> koen: sorry again for my stupid questions :) i've followed all the instructions in this page (http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoardAndOpenEmbeddedGit) till the "bitbake console-image" command (I didn't execute because I don't need to build an new image...) so how can I get the kernel headers now ?
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[21:29:12] <koen> fayce: by building the kernel
[21:29:31] <fayce> they say it's gonna take hours ..
[21:29:32] <fayce> :s
[21:29:32] <fayce> ok
[21:35:16] <eFfeM> fayce: start it, drink a glass of wine, go to bed and it'll be done when you wake up
[21:37:00] <fayce> heheh, but before that I need bitbake 1.8.12, and I seem to have only the 1.8.10 (it doesn't want to compile anything ...)
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[21:38:22] <eFfeM> fayce: http://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2701&release_id=15559
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[21:40:22] <fayce> I tought I would the latest one by doing a svn co svn://svn.berlios.de/bitbake/branches/bitbake-1.8/ bitbake
[21:40:53] <mib_q4ri0g> does anyone know how to change the pop memory? i got a new beagleboard and also the 4GB pop chip... i want to upgrade the current 128MB ram to 256MB ram with the new chip
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[21:43:03] <eFfeM> better don't take chances and use .12 that has been tested
[21:44:02] <mib_q4ri0g> but they sell it on their website... so there should be a way to upgrade it
[21:44:04] <mib_q4ri0g> isn't i?
[21:44:39] <mru> almost impossible
[21:44:56] <mru> you'd need some very sophisticated equipment
[21:46:27] <mru> but the rev c beagle will have 256MB
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[21:46:52] <eFfeM> jkridner, i gave zgv and svgalib a quick stab, but there are some issues building it, so for now i've put it on the backburner
[21:46:59] <mru> I'd try to get rid of that memory chip at minimum loss
[21:47:08] <eFfeM> (could be a nice addition to james though; although I was also looking at gallery)
[21:47:11] <mib_q4ri0g> what kind of equipment?
[21:47:15] <eFfeM> calling it a day, cya all tomorrow
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[21:55:02] <as_leep> mib_q4ri0g, considerably more expensive than buying a C2 beagleboard for sure. Why do you need the extra memory so badly so soon?
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[21:56:19] * bkero sits around waiting for a C2.
[21:56:54] <ali_as> I'm waiting for a C2 also.
[21:58:10] <ali_as> Actually, I've been waiting for a fixed beagle since before november when we thought it would happen in B.
[21:58:33] <DaveAG> hello, has anybody had a problem installing python modules? Specifically, when I attempt to run the build and install script for the module 'numeric' I get a linker warning "ld: cannot find -lpython2.6"
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[21:59:22] <ali_as> But I'm calm, I'm absolutly not hacking anyone to death with any sharp objects.
[21:59:43] <dcordes> where's the latest _working_ angstrom-demo kernel, modules and rootfs?
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[22:05:33] <Crofton|work> what does gccmakedep do?
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[22:07:38] <dcordes> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ seems either outdated or broken
[22:09:12] <recalcati> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ broken also
[22:09:44] <koen> dcordes: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ is the place for working kernel and rootfs
[22:10:13] <koen> the files there are confirmed to work on at least 10 different beagles :)
[22:12:49] <recalcati> koen: I can't open the link
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[22:14:16] * mru stabs coreutils
[22:14:25] <mru> each version needs a new patch to cross-compile
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[22:37:29] <fayce> is it possible to remotely compile a C++ project with Eclipse ?
[22:42:38] <robclark> fayce: I've done it with C, I don't see why C++ wouldn't work..
[22:42:47] <robclark> even remote debug
[22:43:17] <robclark> you can configure the PATH so it finds your cross compiler before your native compiler.. so you basically trick eclipse
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[22:43:44] <fayce> how did you get the "build" button work ? have associated it with a command like "g++ -o ..." or eclipse can automatically generate a makefile ?
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[22:44:28] <fayce> what you call a "cross compiler" .. is the "g++" inside my beagleboard ?
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[22:44:48] <future_man> you can use distcc
[22:44:53] <robclark> no, I had GCC installed locally
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[22:46:09] <robclark> hang on, I think I have a link somewhere that gives a pretty decent explaination..
[22:46:21] <recalcati> doing a comparison, angstrom is really the most used distro, only I have to learn to reduce a little bit beagleboard-demo-image and to know how to get a stable version of its sources. gentoo is surely nice, I install it on my pc, but is not so used in cortex a8 by now in beagleboard
[22:46:41] <robclark> http://issaris.blogspot.com/2007/12/download-linux-kernel-sourcecode-from.html
[22:46:51] <Crofton|work> recalcati it is pretty easy to edit the image bb files to suit your needs
[22:47:54] <recalcati> I'll try. I really like to do 'cd openembedded; git checkout SOME_STABLE_TAG; cd ..; bitbake my_beagleboard_image'
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[22:48:21] <robclark> fayce: the idea should be basically the same for G++... the key bit is just to have your $PATH setup so your locally installed cross-compiler is used..
[22:48:42] <fayce> woww niiiiiice !!! thanx robclark
[22:57:54] <fayce> robclark: so I have to install Linux G++ on my Mac...is it possible ?
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[22:58:52] <bkero> G++ should come with the developer tools
[23:00:40] <fayce> I hav MacOSX GCC ... is it ok ?
[23:02:02] <fayce> bkero:
[23:02:29] * bkero shrugs. Could try it.
[23:03:22] <fayce> owkey
[23:03:40] <ds2> has anyone tried using the power measurement point on the BB with MUSB power? seem to get odd results that isn't explained by the schematic
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[23:09:26] <robclark> fayce: you can recompile codesourcery GCC on macosx.. this is what I've done.. or (if I can find the URL again) you can take the one that I've already built
[23:10:33] <robclark> http://www.beagleboard.org/uploads/arm-2007q3-macosx-20080828.tar.bz2
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[23:56:22] * mru wins another round against libtool
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[23:59:06] <ds2> mru: details!
[23:59:39] <mru> wrapper script to fix the arguments to gcc
[23:59:58] <ds2> subverting the subversion... I like it

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