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IRC Log for 2009-03-12

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[01:26:13] <davidcb> ping koen
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[01:32:35] <Crofton|work> davidcb, he's either in bed, or running from brazilian women
[01:32:39] <Crofton|work> or both
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[01:37:34] <Russ> I'm using compcache for my beagleboard project
[01:38:00] <Russ> and when I wrote stuff up, there was a problem with compcache, because it emulates a block device, it never knew when stored pages were no longer used
[01:38:13] <Russ> recently I witnessed kernel zen
[01:38:40] <Russ> SSDs added an ATAPI command to discard unused pages
[01:38:49] <Russ> so the block layer got a discard callback
[01:39:14] <Russ> the swap layer started calling the callback
[01:39:14] <Russ> and compcache added support for the callback
[01:40:29] <davidcb> Crofton|work, hehe, ok, thanks.
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[02:24:46] <ds> how do I force a rebuild of a package after I've modified the source?
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[02:28:33] <denix0> ds: in OE? bitbake pkgname -c rebuild
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[02:29:27] <ds> yeah OE.
[02:29:34] <ds> rebuild destroys source changes
[02:31:23] <ds> hrm, -c compile worked this time
[02:31:31] <ds> I wonder why it didn't work 5 minutes ago
[02:40:32] <denix0> oh, you meant you made changes to sources in the work directory...
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[02:58:39] <ZeZu> now that is something good to know, i had wondered why i just modified the source and called bitbake w/o any other paramss
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[08:17:47] <amine_56> d'accord
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[08:37:24] <dze1> sir, i got a beagle board. i made a serial cable and able to see the u-boot prompt. I then followed the instructions given in http://beagleboard.org/demo/esc#esc-321
[08:37:46] <dze1> i have 2 questions. how do i make beagle boot out of angstrom distro
[08:38:15] <dze1> i press the user keypad but nothing is comming, i see no activity in serial console
[08:38:26] <dze1> what cable i need to use to see GUI on beagle
[08:39:48] <eFfeM> dze1 user key can be used when booting not sure if it has another function
[08:40:23] <dze1> okay which cable i need to use o get GUI?
[08:40:32] <eFfeM> and for seeing the gui you need to have a hdmi to dvi cable and a monitor with a dvi-d input (or a monitor with a hdmi input then you can use a regular hdmi cable
[08:40:36] <dze1> i have a LCD monitor
[08:41:09] <eFfeM> on the serial console you should see the system booting and most likely eventually you get a boot prompt
[08:41:28] <eFfeM> lcd monitor with dvi? if it is only vga you cannot use ut
[08:41:33] <dze1> okay, what about user input - how do i select. i have connected usb to get power, can i connect a mouse/keyboard?
[08:41:47] <dze1> i dont know if my lcd monitor has dvi or not
[08:42:52] <eFfeM> you can connect a mouse and/or keyboard if you use a hub but then you need a 5v brick to supply power as the hub will not power the beagle
[08:43:06] <dze1> okay, thanks
[08:43:24] <eFfeM> and if you want to connect more usb devices get a usb powered hub
[08:43:34] <eFfeM> see also www.elinux.org/BeagleBoard for info
[08:43:36] <eFfeM> and gl
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[08:52:10] <bizulk> Hi all !
[08:52:52] <bizulk> I am experiencing issues with omapfbplay, when I launch I got this error : mmap() invalid argument
[08:53:08] <dze1> eFfem: can you provide me more information about the kind of monitor/display required and the cable
[08:53:19] <dze1> i want to order one
[08:53:37] <bizulk> Yes I am using dvi display, 800x600
[08:54:02] <bizulk> The monitor is an Hundai that supports dvi and many resolution
[08:54:22] <eFfeM> dze1 the monitor type does not matter too much as long as it has DVI
[08:54:27] <dze1> how do i make sure my monitor has a dvi or not?
[08:54:36] <dze1> im using acer AL1512BM
[08:54:53] <eFfeM> dze1: see also http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleBoardShoppingList
[08:54:56] <bizulk> so search for the technical review of this model
[08:55:32] <eFfeM> dze1 the cable is a Monitor Cable (HDMI-A-male to DVI-D male)
[08:55:48] <eFfeM> but if you buy a monitor with a hdmi input you can just use a plain hdmi cable
[08:56:05] <eFfeM> any decent computer shop will know what that is
[08:56:55] <eFfeM> dze1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Visual_Interface
[08:57:23] <eFfeM> monitor spec or computer shop staff can tell you if the monitor is dvi or not
[08:57:41] <bizulk> well mine is a mini-dvi to male DVI
[08:58:03] <dze1> eFfem: https://specialcomp.com/beagleboard/HDMID-MM.jpg
[08:58:13] <dze1> is this what youre referring to?
[08:58:15] <bizulk> carefull that the monitor handles the beagle resolution
[08:58:33] <eFfeM> bizulk: no idea on omapfbplay, but I valuely require this was mentioned before so maybe searching the irc logs or mailing lists can help
[08:59:01] <eFfeM> dze1: yes, but no need to order from specialcomp if that is the only thing you are ordering; a good computer store will have them as well
[08:59:08] <bizulk> I already did that, and also made my own test & read code
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[08:59:37] <eFfeM> bizulk: never tried omapfbplay, only used mplayer
[08:59:49] <eFfeM> omapfpplay is still on my todo list
[09:00:01] <bizulk> omapfbplay uses hardware codec & so is faster
[09:00:08] <eFfeM> i know
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[09:00:37] <bizulk> here is my conclusion : when omapfbplay ask the driver the memory size it get zero and so mmap() returns error
[09:00:42] <eFfeM> perhaps later someone will show up with more knowledge; the us people are mostly still asleep i guess and the eu hobbyists are at work
[09:01:12] <eFfeM> bizulk: not enough memory? too much things running at the same time? maybe try to add swap?
[09:01:31] <dze1> what are the resolutions required for the monitor?
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[09:02:04] <bizulk> here is the source of omapfbplay : http://git.mansr.com/?p=omapfbplay;a=blob;f=omapfbplay.c;h=bf86abe02c912505f2e9a756d166e78cf701c12e;hb=HEAD
[09:02:37] <bizulk> I think it does crashes at the call xioctl(fb, OMAPFB_QUERY_MEM, &minfo);
[09:02:43] <geckosenator> maybe I should just get a usb monitor
[09:03:51] <bizulk> In fact the minfo.size = 0, so that's why mmap is wrong
[09:04:10] <bizulk> I thought that could be due to uboot args
[09:05:32] <bizulk> Resolution that works with beagle : 800x600 , 1024x768, & some other TV resolution that I d'ont know
[09:05:41] <eFfeM> dze1, any dvi monitor will do, depends also what you want to use it for; i have an iiyama widescreen with hdmi input
[09:06:10] <eFfeM> actually i seem to recall I managed to get 1920x1080 as well but with 16 bit color and reduced sync timing
[09:06:23] <bizulk> I got a BenQ FP91, and it did not support the resolution except that 1280x1024
[09:06:25] <dze1> if monitor supports dvi input i just need a dvi cable isnt it
[09:06:36] <bizulk> Or it could not handle beagle signal
[09:06:51] <dze1> if monitor supports hdmi input i need a dvi-d to hdmi cable
[09:06:54] <dze1> am i right?
[09:06:58] <eFfeM> dze1: hdmi to dvi, there is no dvi connector on the beagle, the one you shoed
[09:07:00] <eFfeM> no
[09:07:11] <eFfeM> the connector at beagle side is hdmi
[09:07:21] <dze1> i see a dvi connector on beagle it is marked dvi-d
[09:07:25] <eFfeM> so if your monitor is dvi you need a hdmi to dvi cable
[09:07:42] <dze1> im using Rev B4 beagle board
[09:07:58] <eFfeM> yes, but it is a hdmi connector carrying only video, hdmi video == dvi-d
[09:08:12] <bizulk> -->eFfeM : OK this is right here is the linkk, http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardFAQ#Peripherals_needed
[09:08:13] <eFfeM> there is no audio on the beagle hdmi connector
[09:08:36] <eFfeM> bizulk: exactly
[09:08:40] <bizulk> No, but is has a audio connector.
[09:08:48] <eFfeM> i know
[09:09:44] <eFfeM> dze1 if the monitor does have hdmi you need a regular hdmi cable, if the monitor only supports a dvi connector you need a hdmi to dvi cable like the one from specialcomp
[09:10:19] <eFfeM> bizulk: are you also using the kernel from mansr site? not sure if it works with the std kernel
[09:10:52] <bizulk> I am using the Anstrom beagleboard demo
[09:11:05] <bizulk> 2.6.28 kernel, omap dss2 driver
[09:11:41] <bizulk> This is a release of 20090129
[09:12:06] <eFfeM> yeah, but not sure whether mans changed things in the vid driver that are not in your kernel
[09:12:10] <eFfeM> where is yours from ?
[09:12:43] <dze1> eFeM: you sure that beagle supports hdmi and not mini dvi
[09:13:12] <bizulk> --> dzel look at the link
[09:13:20] <bizulk> It is hdmi cable
[09:13:26] <bizulk> on beagle side
[09:14:06] <bizulk> eFfEM did u tried omapfbplay
[09:15:06] <eFfeM> no
[09:15:14] <eFfeM> haven't gotten to that
[09:15:45] <bizulk> Can u tell me the kernel args u place in uboot ?
[09:16:02] <eFfeM> yes, one sec
[09:16:42] <eFfeM> will reboot the beagle and copy/paste them
[09:18:35] <eFfeM> bizulk: here is my uboot env: http://www.pastebin.ca/1358876
[09:18:50] <eFfeM> but note that I do not use the monitor very much
[09:18:59] <eFfeM> mostly i am using ssh or minicom
[09:19:29] * eFfeM has a dual input monitor with beagle on one input and dev computer on the other input
[09:20:09] <dze1> eFfem: either youre rich or your company can afford
[09:20:30] <bizulk> :/ there is no graphical parameters in bootargs
[09:20:30] <chakie_work> monitors are cheap
[09:20:51] <geckosenator> not for me
[09:21:55] <bizulk> when u make video tests u cannot use a cheap monitor, but u can find good monitor for about 150euros
[09:22:20] <eFfeM> dze1: not sure if i am rich, this monitor is privately owned, it is a 24" iiyama, i think it was about eur 280 (not fully sure)
[09:22:34] <raster> dze1: i actually dont think i have seen an lcd without dual input
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[09:22:52] <dze1> i havent seen that
[09:22:54] <eFfeM> raster the very cheap ones do not have dvi
[09:22:56] <raster> i bought a 19" 1366x768 lcd for my beagle for a whopping $50 - new.
[09:23:14] <raster> eFfeM: $50 - cheapest thing i could find. both dvi and vga in
[09:23:15] <eFfeM> bizulk: this specifies the video mode wt-2.99.0/src/Wt/WGoogleMap.C.orig
[09:23:20] <dze1> does anyone know what is the size of ramdisk which is provided in the beagle resources pages which lists all the binaries
[09:23:21] <eFfeM> oops, wrong paste
[09:23:27] <raster> you pay 3x as much for the beagle
[09:23:36] <eFfeM> bizulk: this does: optargs=omapfb.video_mode=1280x720MR-24@60
[09:23:47] <eFfeM> ram disk ?
[09:23:54] <eFfeM> my binaries are on a 2gb sd card
[09:23:54] <bizulk> xcuse
[09:24:01] <eFfeM> np
[09:24:26] <eFfeM> raster, where? i'll definitely go for a 2nd one (although not sure where to place it)
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[09:25:23] <eFfeM> e.g. this one Acer AL1716Fs only seems to have vga
[09:25:23] <bizulk> eFfeM but this is the same for me
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[09:26:11] <eFfeM> bizulk: i am using the std kernel from the feed or from koens generator, not sure if mans changed things in his, he also has a kenrel git
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[09:26:55] <bizulk> Well I know this generator but does it includes omapfbplay ?
[09:27:04] <eFfeM> no idea
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[09:27:15] <bizulk> I don't think so
[09:27:16] <eFfeM> i think it does, can be checked easily :-)
[09:27:25] <bizulk> I checked
[09:27:25] <dze1> what exactly is this angstrom distribution is it like fedora core or something which is generated using open embedded
[09:27:52] <bizulk> dzel : Angstrom os Open Embedded base distro
[09:28:12] <bizulk> But there is also a debian-armel port (not optimised)
[09:28:18] <eFfeM> bizulk: it is indeed not on the generator, could be a hint that it is not supported by the kernel
[09:29:08] <bizulk> well, so how did they test it ?
[09:29:53] <eFfeM> bizulk: as i alread said before: mans has his own kernel git, so it is quite possible that he has patches for it in his kernel
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[09:30:34] <eFfeM> http://git.mansr.com/ the linux-omap git
[09:30:54] <eFfeM> no idea if it has the same functionality as the one on the generator
[09:30:57] <bizulk> I am reading it
[09:31:41] <bizulk> I'd like to make unit test binaires to check it (I'll be searching for crosstool or native gcc)
[09:33:45] <bizulk> mmmm .... I do think we're using omapfb2 that get new vram parameter
[09:34:04] <bizulk> The ones we see on the net are for the omapfb1
[09:37:47] <geckosenator> when is the rev c board going to be for sale?
[09:40:57] <eFfeM> probably end march early april that was the last i heard
[09:41:33] <geckosenator> ok cool
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[09:49:13] <DDevine> Hey, what USB wifi adapters work on the beagle?
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[09:49:42] <bizulk> I depends on the kernel
[09:49:47] <bizulk> opts
[09:50:12] <bizulk> You shal give a look to the .config of the kernel
[09:50:22] <DDevine> Ok, but in general is the support similar to the x86 Linux USB wifi support?
[09:50:37] <DDevine> bizulk: Yeah i guess looking in the kernel config is a good idea.
[09:50:40] <geckosenator> it's the same driver isn't it?
[09:51:02] <bizulk> I do think that wifi support on beagle is using the std
[09:51:09] <geckosenator> like.. when you run the adapter on the beagle it should be running the same code as on x86
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[09:51:35] <bizulk> No, this we can't be sure
[09:52:01] <bizulk> but using the same APIs we can hope
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[09:52:45] <DDevine> *hope* lol
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[09:54:29] <eFfeM> i used several dongles, if it is supported under x68 linux and the module is there or it is compiled intot the kernel it will probably work (but you need to have the firmware angstrom does not provide firmware images)
[09:55:47] <eFfeM> a few of them are also mentioned on beagleboard.org or elinux
[10:00:27] <DDevine> Look what I was shown in the OpenPlug channel - http://www.inspectrumtech.com/DP/NANDFlashSpotPrice.aspx
[10:01:17] <DDevine> Thanks eFfeM.
[10:01:58] <jsync> mru: ping!!
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[10:04:28] <florian> good morning
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[10:10:02] <eFfeM> hi florian
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[10:11:49] <mru> jsync: pong
[10:12:08] <mru> and good morning
[10:12:38] <favor> good morning.
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[10:16:30] <jsync> mru: i have some questions about ffmpeg.mru
[10:17:13] <agc> Hi everyone. I'm thinking about installing Debian on my Beagle Rev. 7 I'm reading http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#PC:_Setup_SD_uboot_Partition. Is it possible to install Debian on a Rev 7? I see that uImage and initrd.gz are only available for RC-1 and RC-2 (Ii read revision 1 and 2). Any tips?
[10:17:29] <agc> Rev. B7 i mean
[10:17:51] <jsync> i wrote a sample app based on ffplay to play audio using alsa output.
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[10:18:59] <jsync> i am able to decode ogg files but other files such as mp3 gives EIO error after a while
[10:19:36] <mru> does ffplay work?
[10:20:12] <jsync> mru: not really.. it requires SDL support for audio.. i never got it to work
[10:21:00] <jsync> mru: thats why i used alsa.
[10:22:17] <jsync> mru: ffmpeg.mru can decode mp3 as it is.. am i right?
[10:25:27] <mru> unless you disabled it, yes
[10:27:10] <bizulk> agc sure u can install
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[10:27:14] <jsync> mru: ok. For decoding, does it uses neon support for mp3, ogg etc?
[10:27:30] <bizulk> agc: I made it on my beagle
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[10:30:18] <bizulk> I'm trying to specify vram size of my beagle board like this : omapfb.vram=0:2M,1:4M
[10:31:16] <bizulk> But it does says : omapfb omapfb:illegal vram size
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[10:34:09] <mru> jsync: if by ogg you mean vorbis, then some neon code should be used
[10:34:18] <bizulk> someone has an idea ?
[10:34:45] <jsync> mru: yes, vorbis. what about mp3 ?
[10:35:28] <_apk> good morning guys :)
[10:35:46] <bizulk> hi
[10:35:51] <mru> the mp3 decoder doesn't use any neon currently, or only a little
[10:36:00] <bizulk> (for it is 11.32)
[10:36:19] <bizulk> what is your mp3 decoder ?
[10:37:50] <mru> what do you mean "what is"?
[10:38:39] <bizulk> is it mplayer+libmad ?
[10:39:08] <mru> no, ffmpeg has its own decoder
[10:44:42] <pcgeil> is it possible to use the hdmi part without a device that delivers i2c data about resolution?
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[10:46:27] <mru> yes
[10:46:38] <mru> just set whatever resolution you like
[10:47:33] <pcgeil> i design a board with dvi to lvds
[10:47:43] <pcgeil> as adapterboard to the b7 version
[10:49:33] <mru> why bother, C2 will be out Real Soon Now (tm)
[10:50:28] <pcgeil> yes true, but we have three b7 boards an C2 won't have lvds either ,or?
[10:50:45] <mru> it has raw lcd signals
[10:50:46] <eFfeM> yes it will
[10:51:02] <mru> don't know if those are lvds or something else
[10:51:17] <mru> either way they should be easier to interface than dvi
[10:51:18] <pcgeil> you need a least a lvds transmitter, i think
[10:51:56] <pcgeil> i got three tfp401 as reciever from TI so i'l give it a try
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[11:18:10] <limpkin> hi everyone
[11:18:19] <limpkin> just for info, is the TWL4030 host capable?
[11:18:25] <limpkin> usb host*
[11:20:41] <limpkin> seems so, but i would like to be sure
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[11:23:33] <jkridner> good morning all
[11:23:58] <jkridner> limpkin: yes, it is OTG capable.
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[11:31:44] <Crofton|work> gm
[11:32:26] <limpkin> jkridner: well, i don't care about OTG :), cuz I'm creating a board with the omap processor, and I would like to use the TWL to handle usb host
[11:32:31] <limpkin> as i don't need OTG
[11:32:56] <jkridner> hi Crofton|work
[11:33:14] <limpkin> thus i won't need to add a SMSC chip
[11:33:23] <jkridner> limpkin: no problem, just don't use it as a device then.
[11:33:47] <limpkin> the connector won't let it ^^
[11:34:13] <jkridner> I'm not sure about connecting it to the EHCI port, if that is what you are thinking. Might be possible, but I'm not sure of the clocking modes.
[11:34:28] <jkridner> limpkin: replace the connector to be a host-only connector.
[11:34:34] <limpkin> exactly
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[11:35:09] <jkridner> also, you'll want to give the port more power, since you need 500mA for a non-OTG port.
[11:35:12] <limpkin> actually i was only thinking of using the same connection schematic for the TWL, and configure the TWL for usb host and do the needed electrical changes
[11:35:18] <limpkin> yes i know
[11:36:23] <limpkin> talking about that, is there anything in the USB spec saying that we're supposed to cut power in special cases? otherwise i'd only use an appropriate regulator..
[11:37:44] <jkridner> limpkin: there are sleep modes where you can cut the power, but I don't believe it is strictly required.
[11:37:50] <jkridner> you know where to get the spec, right?
[11:37:54] <limpkin> yep
[11:38:11] <limpkin> i think i even might have it somewhere on my hdd
[11:38:44] <limpkin> thanks a lot jkridner :)
[11:39:08] <limpkin> i'm currently asking TI for all the footprints etc...
[11:41:41] <limpkin> I was also hoping to get in touch with someone from beagleboard's team
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[11:46:20] <limpkin_> finally remembered my pass ^
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[11:59:45] <jkridner> limpkin: can you not take the footprints from http://beagleboard.org/hardware/design?
[12:00:00] <koen> pawprints
[12:00:10] <jkridner> :)
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[12:07:55] * koen just noticed http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/khilman/linux-omap-pm.git;a=commit;h=e10fda5f6106c6e0a559c3a4720ebff7a8bb1a43 went into the pm kernel
[12:14:47] <Crofton|work> congrats, you are a kernel developer
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[12:26:51] <Crofton|work> jkridner, can you look over the SoC app when you are done?
[12:27:04] <jkridner> I looked at it last night.
[12:27:12] <Crofton|work> ok
[12:27:14] <jkridner> I added a comment to the talk page
[12:27:15] <Crofton|work> any comments?
[12:27:17] <Crofton|work> ok
[12:28:08] <jkridner> why would we have a GSoC specific IRC?
[12:28:16] <Crofton|work> deadline is tomorrow at noon PDT
[12:28:19] <jkridner> maybe a separate e-mail list.
[12:28:27] <jkridner> I'd like to see you file it by tonight!
[12:28:31] <Crofton|work> mainly to try to make it easier for student s to speak
[12:28:41] <Crofton|work> jkridner, I know that
[12:28:46] <jkridner> Cathy is supposed to get you some additional feedback by mid-day.
[12:28:51] <Crofton|work> I'll try to finish this afternoon
[12:28:58] <jkridner> are they nervous with the people in #beagle?
[12:29:00] <Crofton|work> so we can talk about it this evening
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[12:29:22] <Crofton|work> I am busy through about 3PM
[12:29:33] <jkridner> k.
[12:30:37] <Crofton|work> 1900 UTC to be exact
[12:31:07] <Crofton|work> but you are right, this is not an ebay auction
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[12:35:10] <DJWillis> jkridner: crofton: don't split out GSoC from the normal stuff, it tends to cause it all to become a mess, keep the students really close to the community.
[12:35:28] <Crofton|work> DJWillis, you have experience?
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[12:36:08] <Crofton|work> I tend to agree with you, but I am also conerned because I have read that new people have trouble speaking up on busy lists/channels
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[12:40:49] <DJWillis> Crofton|work: I have mentored a few times and am working on this years ScummVM app and standing as a mentor again.
[12:41:53] <Crofton|work> Obviously I want to move people onto the main channels
[12:42:08] <DJWillis> Crofton|work: We discussed at length the pros and cons. IMHO it is better to keep people together but I guess each project will find there own level that works. Got a link for your app? I'll have a read after some food ;-)
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[12:42:57] <Crofton|work> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/GSoC/Application
[12:43:06] <Crofton|work> you can comment on the discussion page
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[12:43:18] <Crofton|work> I am going to try and finish this afternoon
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[12:43:59] <Crofton|work> at one level, all I want to acieve in the next week is be accepted as a mentoring organization
[12:44:21] <Crofton|work> then we can figure out how to actually get people to apply :)
[12:44:41] <Crofton|work> bbiab
[12:44:44] <DJWillis> Crofton|work: that would be really cool :). Getting people to apply (well good people) is a fun excercise ;-)
[12:44:50] <DJWillis> ditto, food calls
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[13:04:18] <koen_> good morning all (again)
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[13:07:45] <eFfeM> koen__ hi
[13:07:58] <koen__> hey eFfeM
[13:08:48] <eFfeM> koen__: cold here :-( <brrr>
[13:08:58] <koen__> it's cold here as well
[13:09:05] <koen__> the airco is set to "north pole"
[13:09:29] <eFfeM> <grin>
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[13:10:55] <eFfeM> rule #1: if going to a hot country always take a sweater with you, the more wealth or comfort your host want to express, the colder it will be :-)
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[13:11:45] <eFfeM> rule #2: only drink beer in 3rd world countries, if beer is not available as a last resort drink cola or water in bottles
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[13:13:20] <gcohler> eFfeM: I think your rule #2 is too restrictive. Perhaps, when in3rd world countries drink only beer. You can also drink beer when not in 3rd world countries. :-)
[13:13:50] <eFfeM> oh sure, and when in doubt: better drink beer
[13:14:13] <gcohler> And corrolary to rule #1: Texas is a country of their own. So always bring a sweater to TX. :-)
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[13:15:21] <eFfeM> gcohler: lol, didn't think about texas
[13:15:49] * eFfeM will be visiting utah and colorado this summer, guess a sweater might be handy over there too
[13:16:17] <bizulk> hi all
[13:17:49] <gcohler> eFfeM: You'll love CO and UT. And yes, sweater is necessary because you start at 5,000 ft elevation and drive two miles and you're at 10,000 ft. (roughly 1 Km, 2 Km).
[13:19:55] <eFfeM> gcohler: i know, we've done the tour sfo, yosemite, death valley, vegas, zion, bryce, grand canyon back in 2000, but then we didn't have time to go further, this time we will go to arches, canyonlands, sand dunes, rocky mountains np and a few more parks and probably revisit zion and bryce
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[13:22:32] <gcohler> Well you've been to more places than I have. But I'm in Boston. So it''s far away for me too. Enjoy. It sounds great.
[13:23:05] <koen__> zion and bryce are nice
[13:23:08] <eFfeM> it is (I'm in the netherlands and have never been to boston)
[13:23:15] <koen__> much nicer than grand canyon
[13:23:47] <eFfeM> koen__: yes we found grand canyon a little bit disappointing, won't go there this time; but zion and bryce were the reasons to go back
[13:23:59] <gcohler> Arizona is very nice too for a different type of landscape. Sedona is like a mini-Grand Canyon, smaller but prettier.
[13:24:04] * eFfeM has 2 pictures in his living room made in bryce
[13:24:13] * koen__ was there in '94
[13:24:19] <eFfeM> yeah we did sedona back in 2000
[13:24:49] <eFfeM> if you are interested in our 2000 trip: http://www.dse.nl/~meulenbr/holiday2000/
[13:24:56] <koen__> I found a buildsystem that's slower than OE: macports
[13:25:29] <eFfeM> probably bryce was the nicest, but the riverside walk in zion was also exceptional, especially if you go there on a hot day, wading through the river
[13:26:19] <eFfeM> koen__: congratulations :p
[13:26:25] <koen__> iirc they hold a big biathlon when it snows in bryce canyon
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[13:26:57] <eFfeM> we were there only in summer, would be nice to go there in winter too, all the hoodoo's covered with snow
[13:27:31] <eFfeM> maybe in 2018 (2000, 2009, 2018, ....)
[13:27:39] <AV500> eFfeM: nice pics, looks like you stole my slides :-)
[13:28:27] <eFfeM> AV500: thanks; kind of a standard tour
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[13:29:19] <AV500> eFfeM: yes, still good to see that I can ommit scanning my slides, google images will find them for me :-)
[13:29:41] <eFfeM> yes, unless you have family members on them
[13:29:59] <bizulk> well, no experience with Beagle/Angstrom/omapfbplay ?
[13:30:04] <eFfeM> actually the ones on my website are made by scanning prints
[13:30:08] <AV500> eFfeM: mostly not :-)
[13:30:17] <eFfeM> same here
[13:30:42] <muriani> i'm sure someone here's got experience with omapfbplay, bizulk. Just hang around a bit.
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[13:30:59] <muriani> The topic of conversation eventually swings back around to it :p
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[13:33:25] <eFfeM> afk (coffee break)
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[13:36:31] <bizulk> Just to add some idea : I modify uboot bootargs environnement to be coherent with omap fb driver
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[13:38:06] <n6pfk> Hi, I have tried using "setenv bootargs video=omapfb:mode:......." to change my screen resolution and it seems to have no effect?
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[13:49:01] <bizulk> which version of kernel u use and which version of omapfb ?
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[13:50:06] <bizulk> here is an example setting video resolution and other stuff http://rafb.net/p/7L6hh914.html
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[13:52:14] <gcohler> If the u-boot and uImage are coordinated (i.e. built together), then you can let it use the defaults: nand erase 260000 20000
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[14:36:49] <n6pfk> bizulk: I tried the setenv bootarg commands int he link u sent me and my resolution dis not change?
[14:37:05] <n6pfk> did not change.
[14:40:41] <eFfeM> what is the solution if when baking a package I get a wrapper script made by ltmain.sh ?
[14:41:13] <eFfeM> it seems to depend on libpam.la, i've already added DEPENDS="libpam" but to no avail
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[14:41:22] <n6pfk> I have tried the "setenv bootargs omapfb.video_mode=............" to change my screen resolution and nothing changes?
[14:41:57] <eFfeM> oops should probalby have asked this in #oe
[14:42:34] <eFfeM> but ofc if you happen to knwo the answer feel free to share it
[14:44:19] <gcohler> n6pfk: The dss2 folks seem to be changing the args format right now. I think they are shifting to omapfb.mode and changing the format. So if you use a coordinated set of u-boot / uImage, then you can just use the defaults.
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[14:46:06] <n6pfk> my default appears to b 800x640 and that is not nive.
[14:46:23] <n6pfk> nice
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[14:50:15] <koen__> it seems to be lunchtime now
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[14:55:03] <_apk> at 15.50 koen__ ? :P
[14:58:41] <n6pfk> 2.6.28 and all from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
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[15:00:00] <demarlio> can anyone help me out on flashing beagleboard?
[15:02:33] <demarlio> anyone out there?
[15:03:10] <gcohler> demarlio: http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleNANDFlashing
[15:05:28] <demarlio> OMAP3 beagleboard.org # fatload mmc 0 0x80200000 x-load.bin.ift reading x-load.bin.ift ** Unable to read "x-load.bin.ift" from mmc 0:1 ** OMAP3 beagleboard.org # fatload mmc 0 0x80300000 uImage
[15:06:01] <demarlio> ahh
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[15:06:09] <demarlio> i didn't read enough, sorry
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[15:12:48] <amine_56> HI everybody
[15:13:41] <amine_56> I have problem with bitbake I'm gettting ImportError: No module named re
[15:13:50] <amine_56> Please help
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[15:22:17] <amine_56> anyone out there?
[15:23:27] <eFfeM> 125 people in room :-)
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[15:24:56] <amine_56> can you respond to my problem, in bitbake I'm gettting ImportError: No module named re"
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[15:26:07] <demarlio> i am trying to follow the http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners guide, and I can't use the minicom command
[15:26:45] <eFfeM> anime_56, guess no one responded because your problem description is not really clear; it would help if e.g. you would specify the cmd you gave
[15:27:00] <eFfeM> demarlio: so ?
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[15:29:04] <demarlio> is it necessary to use the minicom command?
[15:29:22] <amine_56> eFfem, After installing bitbake, i just type bitbake
[15:29:28] <favor> demarlio: descripte your question more clearly
[15:31:29] <demarlio> I am trying to install angstrom on the BB, i am a complete newb and I have never done anythng like this before, I am trying to follow the beginners guide that i listed above and i tried to run the #minicom -s and it says unknown command
[15:31:51] <demarlio> OMAP3 beagleboard.org # minicom -s Unknown command 'minicom' - try 'help'
[15:32:26] <eFfeM> demarlio: minicom is the prog you need to run at your host pc to connect to the beagle over the serial port, apparently you already ddi that one way or another
[15:32:51] <demarlio> ok
[15:32:56] <eFfeM> amine_56: you need to specify what you want to bake. e.g. bitbake console-image (or is it console_image)
[15:33:12] <eFfeM> but first you need to make a proper local.conf if you haven't done so yet
[15:33:42] <amine_56> I already make an local.conf
[15:34:02] <eFfeM> then try bitbake console-image
[15:34:07] <eFfeM> you need to tell what to bake
[15:35:28] <eFfeM> amine_56: note that this will take several hours, bitbake will first make the cross compiler, c library and lots of other stuff
[15:35:30] <amine_56> I bitbake console-image but it doesnt work
[15:35:43] <eFfeM> bitbake console_image
[15:35:47] <amine_56> Yes
[15:36:28] <amine_56> I have ImportError: no module named re
[15:37:04] <eFfeM> have you done console-image with a dash or with an underscore
[15:37:07] <eFfeM> it should be a dash
[15:37:39] <amine_56> With undescore
[15:38:07] <eFfeM> you need a dash!
[15:38:26] <eFfeM> (04:34:01 PM) eFfeM: then try bitbake console-image
[15:38:47] <eFfeM> instead you can also try bitbake nano
[15:39:23] <amine_56> When i try with dash, i have the same problem
[15:39:30] <eFfeM> try bitbake nano
[15:40:32] <amine_56> It is the same problem ImportError: No module named re
[15:40:37] <eFfeM> you might also want to look at this: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardAndOpenEmbeddedGit
[15:40:45] <eFfeM> what instructions are you following ?
[15:43:46] <amine_56> after bitbake, i don't follow any instructions
[15:44:20] <eFfeM> yeah but you did something to get that far, e.g. install bitbake, git pull etc you didn't do that all by yourself did you
[15:44:33] <amine_56> yes yes
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[15:45:36] <eFfeM> amine_56: please follow the steps in http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardAndOpenEmbeddedGit
[15:45:50] <eFfeM> probably something is wrong in your installation
[15:45:58] <amine_56> I did wget
[15:46:05] <amine_56> from http
[15:46:51] <eFfeM> nice try but not enough; again: see http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardAndOpenEmbeddedGit
[15:47:00] * eFfeM is going back to his own problems
[15:47:05] <amine_56> OK
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[15:49:37] <sli_> minicom is a simple terminal on serial, but know there is also putty that is the same as the win32 version
[15:50:05] <sli_> For resolution pb on beagle : check init traces & Xorg log file
[15:51:00] <sli_> I have trouble with uboot on beagleboard : environnement is not save
[15:51:54] <eFfeM> sli_: i think there are variants of uboot around that do not save the env properly (or where it is inhibited or so)
[15:53:04] <sli_> and nand unlock cmd does not work ? :O
[15:53:20] <sli_> that may be part of the pb
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[16:01:02] <oltorfswanga> Hi guys, does anyone know where I can bet U-Boot.bin 2008.10 for Beagle? I'm in desperate need of it, and don't want to have to build sources!
[16:04:55] <eFfeM> oltorfswanga: http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/downloads/list ?
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[16:13:43] <oltorfswanga> hmm, I wonder what versions those are since there aren't any details, but I'll see what I can find. Thanks.
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[16:39:46] <jalon> Hi everybody!
[16:40:17] <jalon> I have a question about GPIO in the Beagleboard
[16:40:41] <jalon> is it possible to use GPIO pins like interrupts under Linux?
[16:41:53] <jalon> (instead of polling /sys/class/gpio/gpioXXX/value)
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[16:44:00] <j24> on OE how can we list the targets image availlable?
[16:44:01] <jkridner|work> isn't that approach under Linux?
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[16:44:13] <sli_> Hi me also want to search for u-boot.bin 2008 10
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[16:45:19] <Yessry> I am having trouble partition MMC for BB, i am using tera term and the "o" command does not work, any ideas anyone
[16:45:29] <j24> jalon: it's depend on the hard but a gpio as interrupt is a polling
[16:46:17] <jalon> j24: I don't understand that.
[16:46:59] <jalon> The OMAP3 can trigger a hardware interrupt on every GPIO pin. I'd like to use it that way. For example, when pin XXX changes value from 0 to 1, a signal is sent to my program
[16:47:02] <jkridner|work> jalon: you can get GPIOs to interrupt rather than polling.
[16:47:20] <jalon> how can I trigger GPIOs to interrupt under Linux?
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[16:47:40] <jalon> I googled, but didn't find anything
[16:47:46] <j24> jalon: to your program no to your driver yes
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[16:48:26] <jalon> so I have to modify the GPIO driver (excuse my noob questions)?
[16:48:29] <oltorfswanga> Hi, I'm looking for U-Boot.bin 2008.10, the U-Boot.bin here (uploaded Jan 20th) appears to be 1.3.3
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[16:48:42] <jalon> or has the driver an interface to do it?
[16:48:49] <oltorfswanga> by "here", I meant http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/downloads/list
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[16:49:51] <garren> hi all
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[16:50:02] <Yessry> what terminal does everyone use?
[16:50:11] <oltorfswanga> Putty, for sure!
[16:50:14] <Yessry> i am using tera term and am having problems
[16:50:21] <oltorfswanga> try Putty
[16:50:30] <bkero> urxvt
[16:50:51] <julianoliver> xterm
[16:50:57] <bkero> No problems, full xterm-color, rxvt, vt100, and vt104 emulation
[16:51:04] <jkridner|work> jalon: see http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/tmlind/linux-omap-2.6.git;a=blob;f=Documentation/gpio.txt;h=b1b9887012478f9b654edaa90bcdd13e72a9f20e;hb=HEAD and http://beagleboard.googlecode.com/files/evtest.c
[16:51:06] <bkero> Real transparency, Unicode support :)
[16:51:09] <oltorfswanga> Does anyone know what version of U-Boot are listed here: http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/downloads/list
[16:51:24] <julianoliver> bkero: hehe i've never understood the desire for transparency..
[16:51:34] <oltorfswanga> They list the specific Rev of the boards, but not the version of U-Boot
[16:51:44] <bkero> julianoliver: I use a tiling window manager, if I didn't have transparency, I wouldn't have a background at all.
[16:51:45] <julianoliver> then again, i haven't used a desktop environment in several years ;)
[16:51:54] <julianoliver> right
[16:51:55] <jalon> jkrindner: Thanks a lot, I'll have a look
[16:52:15] <bkero> julianoliver: What window manager are you using?
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[16:52:44] <oltorfswanga> Does ANYONE use U-Boot 2008.10??
[16:53:13] <julianoliver> bkero: Awesome: http://awesome.naquadah.org/ a descendent of DWM http://dwm.suckless.org (which i used before)
[16:53:20] <bkero> julianoliver: I know what aesome is
[16:53:22] <jkridner|work> oltorfswanga: I use 2009.somethingorother
[16:53:29] <bkero> I use wmii, which is a more fully-featured dwm. :P
[16:53:49] <julianoliver> bkero: i used wmii before dwm..
[16:53:55] <bkero> Well, I've been fluttering between awesome and wmii, because my wmii statusbar script on my laptop is really inefficient because it's written in bash.
[16:54:11] <julianoliver> bkero: my wife still uses wmii and won't switch to awesome.
[16:54:15] <bkero> The only reason I use awesome sometimes is better multi-monitor support. wmii doesn't support xinerama
[16:54:19] <bkero> julianoliver: good woman
[16:54:20] <oltorfswanga> jkrinder|work, I have issues with the newer versions with lower-res monitors
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[16:54:30] <bkero> lua pisses me off, hugely
[16:54:44] <julianoliver> bkero: she's a stickler, really likes wmii for some reason..
[16:54:45] <bkero> Simple file IO operations are completely esoteric
[16:54:51] <julianoliver> yes agreed..
[16:55:05] <Yessry> how do i connect to BB using putty
[16:55:06] <Yessry> ?
[16:55:27] <julianoliver> bkero: admittedly i haven't used wmii since v2.5
[16:55:34] <jkridner|work> j24: I don't know to list all targets available, but I mostly just browse the repo and the directory of recipes.
[16:56:24] <mib_g5ft6p> Has anyone seen kernel panic when booting BB, installing angstrom.
[16:56:44] <oltorfswanga> yes, I get a kernel panic every now and then
[16:56:46] <julianoliver> bkero: i really do like awesome, the ability to 'store' the geometry and position of xclients throughout mode changes has become important to me..
[16:56:59] <julianoliver> s/throughout/across/
[16:57:10] <oltorfswanga> seems to be because my bootcmd isn't setup correctly
[16:57:40] <mib_g5ft6p> I tried bootcmd like in the video instructions for Angstrom
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[17:05:10] <oltorfswanga> U-Boot.bin 2008.10, It's got to be SOMEWHERE, where is it?!
[17:05:29] <vlad_> hm.. any ideas why I can trap a SIGILL in one scratchbox (generic armv7 ubuntu-ish thing) with qemu, but I can't trap it in one with the maemo5 sdk?
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[17:05:36] <vlad_> only difference is libc/ld.so I guess
[17:05:45] <vlad_> on actual hardware I can't seem to handle SIGILL
[17:05:58] <vlad_> (basically trying to write runtime VFP and NEON detection)
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[17:06:44] <koen__> oltorfswanga: can't you use uboot 2009.x?
[17:07:56] <koen__> jkridner|work: the eval codecs are now in the angstrom feeds, together with the gst plugins built against them
[17:08:12] <koen__> jkridner|work: I need to apply one patch from diego so xvimagesink works
[17:08:31] <yessry> i am using putty right now, but commands still don't work for partitioning BB
[17:09:10] <yessry> i am trying to follow http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners
[17:10:37] <yessry> can anyone help?
[17:13:07] <yessry> anyone?
[17:14:17] <oltorfswanga> yessry, I would follow http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/LinuxBootDiskFormat and http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/HowToGetAngstromRunning
[17:14:18] <yessry> all i really need steps for is partitioning the BB for angstrom
[17:14:55] <oltorfswanga> you mean partitioning your SD card?
[17:15:00] <yessry> yes
[17:15:10] <yessry> sorry
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[17:15:32] <vlad_> blah, handling SIGILL works if I build with -static
[17:15:38] <oltorfswanga> Hi keon__, 2009.x is not giving me video output on my lower res monitor
[17:16:09] <oltorfswanga> koen, do you have a 2008.10 you could send me? It was working fine, and I over-wrote it with a new version that's broken things
[17:16:14] <jalon> I had problems with partitioning. It was because I was doing it wrong. I typed something like "fdisk /dev/sdb1" instead of "fdisk /dev/sdb". Stupid me!
[17:17:19] <oltorfswanga> Yessry, for partitioning on a Windows machine, I found it easiest to run Ubuntu under VMware
[17:17:48] <yessry> i have ubuntu, i could use that
[17:18:03] <yessry> the terminal doesn't understand any commands
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[17:18:22] <jalon> maybe you don't write "sudo" before the commands
[17:18:34] <jalon> are you experienced with Linux?
[17:19:06] <jalon> or maybe you don't have fdisk installed, you can do it with "sudo apt-get install fdisk"
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[17:19:22] <yessry> not very experienced, but i am familier with using "sudo"
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[17:19:38] <yessry> brb i am gonna log into linux boot
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[17:24:22] <oltorfswanga> koen, quite simply, the new version of U-Boot up under the demo is acting up. For starters, it wont save my envs
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[17:31:14] <koen__> oltorfswanga: it will save your env
[17:31:32] <koen__> oltorfswanga: you can bug jkridner|work on why it won't read back what it saved :)
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[17:33:28] <oltorfswanga> it's not - I'm simply trying to save my bootdelay, and when I re-power the board, it's back to 2 seconds!
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[17:34:06] <koen__> liike I said, it does save env
[17:34:17] <koen__> it doesn't read it back
[17:34:33] <oltorfswanga> ah, gotcha
[17:34:49] <oltorfswanga> I thought you meant it just doesn't print
[17:35:18] <koen__> I just updated the u-boot in http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ to one that should read back the env
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[17:35:32] <oltorfswanga> do you happen to know where I can get the .bin for 2008.10?
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[17:36:51] <koen__> just use the 2009.X one from the link I just pasted
[17:36:57] <oltorfswanga> For some reason, that one allows me video output on my lower res monitor without needing to specify the 1024x768 resolution. If I specify that with the newer version, I get video output, but omapfbplay doesn;t work
[17:37:15] <oltorfswanga> "that one" being 2008.10
[17:37:22] <oltorfswanga> let me try the one up now
[17:37:53] <oltorfswanga> by the way, why would U-boot affect something like omapfbplay?
[17:38:04] <oltorfswanga> in both versions, I used the exact same env
[17:38:08] <yessry> I'm back
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[17:38:55] <yessry> not i am using Putty on my linux, but am having difficulty connecting to BB, I am using USB - Serial cord
[17:40:41] <oltorfswanga> are you using the right COM port?
[17:41:23] <yessry> i'm trying to figure that out
[17:42:44] <yessry> found it
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[17:44:02] <koen__> oltorfswanga: omapfbplay works with every uboot for me
[17:44:52] <oltorfswanga> even if you specify a lower resolution in U-Boot?
[17:46:55] <oltorfswanga> Koen, that was U-Boot 1.3.3
[17:47:17] <oltorfswanga> the one you just put up
[17:47:32] * koen__ tests
[17:47:42] <koen__> reports 2009 here :(
[17:47:43] <oltorfswanga> wait, nm
[17:47:49] <oltorfswanga> sorry
[17:47:55] <yessry> Putty still doesn't recognize the fdisk command.... doesn't really recognize any
[17:48:18] <koen__> putty and fdisk?
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[17:48:33] <yessry> yes
[17:49:33] <oltorfswanga> yessry, I thought you were using Ubuntu, just use a terminal
[17:49:51] <yessry> i am in ubuntu
[17:50:16] <yessry> i don't know how to connect to BB w/ terminal
[17:51:04] <yessry> ok not i am trying minicom thing
[17:51:14] <oltorfswanga> are you just trying to format your card first? You need a card reader
[17:51:37] <yessry> i am trying to format the card so i can put angstrom on it
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[17:51:52] <yessry> format and partition
[17:52:08] <oltorfswanga> right, so first you need to connect a card reader to your linux box. Worry about the board later
[17:52:12] <_apk> as oltorfswanga said you need to use a card reader
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[17:53:03] <_apk> yessry, have a look here: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#MMC.2FSD_formatting
[17:53:25] <yessry> i have a reader, its built into my laptop
[17:53:48] <_apk> and so you just have to use it :)
[17:53:55] <yessry> haha
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[17:54:08] <_apk> here you will find the right sequence of command to format the SD card: http://wiki.omap.com/index.php?title=MMC_Boot_Format
[17:54:30] <jalon> Hi again guys!
[17:54:49] <jalon> One more question... how can I compile using gpio.h?
[17:55:11] <jalon> I found gpio.h under build/tmp/staging/beagleboard-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/kernel/include
[17:55:52] <jalon> I put that path in the compiler options of the makefile: -I${STAGING_DIR_BB}/kernel/include
[17:56:29] <jalon> then I try make, and it spits out this error: In file included from gpiotest.c:7:
[17:56:30] <jalon> /home/jalon/Documentos/src/oe/stuff/build/tmp/staging/beagleboard-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/kernel/include/linux/gpio.h:85: error: expected declaration specifiers or ???...??? before ???bool???
[17:56:32] <jalon> make: *** [all] Error 1
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[17:57:43] <jalon> Line 85 of gpio.h: static inline int gpio_export(unsigned gpio, bool direction_may_change)
[17:58:18] <jalon> Isn't "bool" a C++ type? Why does gpio.h need it? Should I compile with g++ instead of gcc?
[17:59:29] <Russ> its typedef'd
[17:59:34] <Russ> its a kernel type
[18:00:26] <Russ> and what module are you trying to compile?
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[18:00:49] <jalon> I don't want to compile any modules, I want to code a program that uses GPIO
[18:01:00] <jalon> do I need to compile it as a module?
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[18:01:15] <Russ> you can't use that header, its a kernel interface
[18:01:23] <jalon> doh!
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[18:01:44] <jalon> my problem is that I'd like to use some GPIO pins as interrupts
[18:01:45] <Russ> use the sysfs interface instead
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[18:02:04] <Russ> jalon: then use the gpio input interface
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[18:02:17] <jalon> sysfs? Sorry, I'm really new to this, and I don't know sysfs
[18:02:34] <Russ> Documentation/gpio.txt
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[18:03:02] <jalon> OK, I'm having a look to it right now
[18:03:06] <jalon> Thanks a lot
[18:03:42] <yessry> does the beagleboard come with angstrom already on it?
[18:03:56] <Russ> if you want to respond to IRQ's, you'll need to fiddle with the input subsystem though
[18:04:06] <Russ> yessry: if you get it from special computing it does
[18:04:17] <yessry> i got it from digikey
[18:04:53] <jalon> Russ, could you please point me to some more documentation about the input subsystem?
[18:05:27] <yessry> and looking at the SD theres a angstrom partition, and i'm not sure if one of my other guys did it or not
[18:06:00] <Russ> Documentation/input
[18:06:03] <Russ> drivers/input
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[18:07:06] <jalon> Thanks a lot Russ
[18:07:45] <jalon> I'll have a look at it, but looks a bit difficult for a noob.
[18:07:51] <yessry> theres actually 3 partitions already on the SD, 2 - SPECIAL COMP and 1 - Angstrom-beagle
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[18:09:17] <eFfeM> oltorfswanga: still need uboot 2008.10 ?
[18:12:23] <yessry> i did order the BB from spec. computing and I am pretty sure it has the Angstrom, how do i boot it?
[18:13:16] <jalon> Thanks a lot guys. I'm leaving. Bye!
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[18:15:43] <yessry> how do i boot the Angstrom on the beagleboard? I currently have the BB hooked up to a monitor thru s-video
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[18:17:19] <yessry> anyone?
[18:20:13] <koen__> yessry: but in the SD card, power the beagle and it will boot
[18:20:29] <koen__> no output on svideo by default, though
[18:21:55] <Russ> yessry: follow the boot from MMC instructions
[18:22:15] <Russ> yessry: you need to set a couple of env's (bootargs/bootcmd) in uboot
[18:23:12] <Russ> koen__: I'm working up a short patch to extend the bit width of the video timing registers for B7 (ES3.0) and beyond
[18:24:16] <Russ> koen__: if I change all the timing checks, 720p works on my TV
[18:24:38] <Russ> koen__: but if I change the actual FLD_VAL statements in _dispc_set_lcd_timings, it doesn't work
[18:25:49] <koen__> Russ: you'd have to talk to tomba about that
[18:25:53] * koen__ isn't a coder
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[18:28:46] <davidcb> koen_: I have an interest in Ogre3D so I am modifying your patch to work against the latest Ogre SVN.
[18:29:00] <davidcb> koen_: Just wanted you to know.
[18:36:57] <Russ> koen__: davidcb is giving your lie away
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[18:44:52] <eFfeM> <grin>
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[18:46:38] <yessry> i am slowing making progress with the bb. not i have hooked up to a monitor, and I see a dog and then bealgeboard.org and then linux penguin, how do i proceed past this
[18:49:47] <davidcb> Russ: Maybe I have but I think anyone that pays attention might have seen through it anyway.
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[18:57:05] <keda_msu> did any one successfully ran a Java swing application on BB?
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[19:03:34] <oltorfswanga> effem, YES, I still need U-Boot 2008.10
[19:03:38] <davidcb> Compiling Ogre now. Unfortunately no Beagleboard to test on yet.
[19:03:44] <florian> re
[19:08:42] <oltorfswanga> effem?
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[19:23:11] <Crofton|bold> sakoman, ping
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[19:23:52] <Crofton|bold> ever thought about a plastic case for the overo like the beagle one
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[19:31:40] <sakoman_> Crofton|bold: pong
[19:31:56] <eFfeM> oltorfswanga: was afk (coffee break)
[19:32:40] <sakoman_> Crofton|bold: Gumstix used to do one for the old product line. maybe they'll do one for overo too
[19:33:55] <Crofton|bold> sakoman, you see my case question
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[19:42:14] <k2340> what's a good alternative to ext3 fs to use for Angstrom? Ext3 gives me errors and remounts itself as read only.
[19:44:09] <eFfeM> k2340 are you using an SDHC card ?
[19:44:26] <k2340> eFfeM: no, standard 1G SD
[19:45:20] <oltorfswanga> hi effen, do you have that version?
[19:45:24] <oltorfswanga> effem
[19:45:39] <eFfeM> hm odd, I had your problem with a SDHC card; it said that it was replaying the hournal
[19:45:57] <eFfeM> oltorfswanga: i've sent you the file, but you need to accept it
[19:46:08] <eFfeM> s/hournal/journal/
[19:46:28] <k2340> I'm getting "ext3_reserve_inode_write: Journal has aborted"
[19:46:39] <k2340> actually i'm getting multiple journal has aborted errors
[19:46:40] <eFfeM> k2340: you might want to try a different card (suggest also a differnet brand)
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[19:46:56] <k2340> that's possible, perhaps I should reformat the card first
[19:46:57] <eFfeM> also you could try a .27 kernel, with that I did not have the problem
[19:47:07] <k2340> what about using ext2 fs?
[19:47:25] <eFfeM> when i moved to .28 i got teh problem, move back to .27, problem was gone again
[19:47:37] <eFfeM> guess it is timing related; otg driver also seems to have some issues
[19:47:53] <k2340> yeah I have lots of issues with the otg driver as well
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[19:49:46] <eFfeM> i'll be happy when I get a rev C :-) i hope the host port will solve this and some other issues
[19:50:26] <eFfeM> hdparm over the otg port also gives bad transfer rates. 6MB/s on a disk which gives 20 MB/s on my desktop system, don't think that is all due to the lower CPU speed
[19:51:08] <k2340> I feel the same way, unfortunately I have 2 rev B5s and 5 rev B7s... so I'm stuck with them lol
[19:51:28] <eFfeM> and does the card have the problem with all the boards?
[19:52:13] <k2340> oh I don't know actually, I haven't touched the other boards yet
[19:52:16] <k2340> just this one rev b5
[19:52:29] <k2340> i'm just going to reformat the card and try again
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[19:52:48] <k2340> it didn't used to have this problem until i formatted it last time
[19:52:51] <oltorfswanga> effem, how do I accept the file? I don't see anything
[19:53:17] <eFfeM> what chat program are you using?
[19:53:30] <oltorfswanga> this is Beagle chat on IRC
[19:53:40] <eFfeM> ah ok, then it probably does not work
[19:53:49] <eFfeM> drop me a message with your email in private chat
[19:54:05] <oltorfswanga> can you put it somewhere I can download it? I need to get it under virtualized Ubuntu, which I'm not on at the moment
[19:54:25] <oltorfswanga> actually, I can get it over web mail
[19:54:26] <eFfeM> yes
[19:54:32] <eFfeM> one sec
[19:54:41] <oltorfswanga> whatever is easiest for you
[19:55:01] <eFfeM> already uploading
[19:55:08] <eFfeM> http://filebin.ca/zdddmq/u-boot.bin
[19:55:13] <eFfeM> enjoy
[19:55:19] <oltorfswanga> thanks!
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[20:07:12] <err0neous> effem
[20:07:14] <err0neous> you here?
[20:07:59] <eFfeM> sure
[20:08:14] <eFfeM> what's up
[20:08:17] <err0neous> im trying to figure out whether i should give up on this wintv-hvr capture business
[20:08:33] <err0neous> you said there were problems with the musb driver
[20:08:37] <err0neous> do you think that is causing my issue?
[20:08:45] <err0neous> and do you think there is any chance it will get fixed?
[20:09:12] <err0neous> im also wondering if you got as far as i have with yours
[20:09:17] <eFfeM> err0neous: well I had problems with my device with the musb driver, and if I connect a webcam I see that sometimes data is corrupted
[20:09:39] <err0neous> how do you know it is a problem with the musb driver?
[20:09:47] <eFfeM> reported it, send some more data and never got info back
[20:09:59] <err0neous> i saw your post about it
[20:10:18] <eFfeM> musb read speed from hd is much worse than from my linux system and if I connect a webcam I see data corruption; see the pic I posted
[20:10:59] <eFfeM> and once had a file on a usb device that I copied to the sd card and that was corrupted, when I put the usb device in my unix box the file was ok
[20:11:20] <eFfeM> diff revealed 4 or 5 locations where 4 subsequent bytes were off
[20:11:25] <err0neous> interesting
[20:11:25] <eFfeM> not sure if it is hw or sw
[20:11:31] <err0neous> i'll give that a try on mine and see what happens
[20:11:45] <eFfeM> but decided to wait with further pvr tests until I get the rev c board
[20:11:48] <ds2> eFfeM: what kernel? and any patches?
[20:12:45] <eFfeM> a good test is: put a 1gb file on a usb disk on a linux system; calculate md5sum and copy it on the beagle to sd, then do an md5 sum on it and compare
[20:13:01] <err0neous> thats what i was about to do
[20:13:32] <eFfeM> ds2 2.6.28 from koen's generator, later on I cone rolled my own kernel from the git tree but with drivers/musb replaced with the one from the linux-omap git
[20:13:39] <eFfeM> that also had the problem
[20:13:48] <ds2> Hmmm
[20:14:13] <ds2> eFfeM: know what the offets are? are they such that offset % 512 == 1?
[20:14:26] <eFfeM> no, don't think so, let me check
[20:15:06] <oltorfswanga> effem - you're a life saver, thanks again, you saved my day!
[20:15:18] <eFfeM> oltorfswanga: have fun!
[20:16:35] <eFfeM> ds2, not a 512 byte boundary:offset: 12709-12 12761-4 12797-12800 13713-13716
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[20:17:18] <eFfeM> bits seems more often to drop from 1 to 0 than from 0 to 1 but that occurs too
[20:17:48] <ds2> Hmmm seems to rule out one possible reason
[20:18:03] <eFfeM> here is the cmp: http://www.pastebin.ca/1359254
[20:18:05] <ds2> eFfeM: what kind of cable are you using?
[20:19:21] <ds2> and are you doing the cmp on the board itself?
[20:19:30] <eFfeM> ds2 short mini A to fem A cable then a regular usb cable A to mini B to go to a powered hub on which I had the webcam and the harddisk
[20:19:37] <eFfeM> no cmp is done on my linux box
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[20:20:30] <eFfeM> i copied the file from usb hard disk to sd, noticed it was bad and scp-ed it to my linux box ; got the same file off the usb hd on the linux system too; then compared them
[20:20:48] <ds2> how long is the file?
[20:20:51] <eFfeM> i'll see if I still have the file
[20:21:08] <eFfeM> -rw-r--r-- 1 frans users 609329 2009-02-27 16:54 ce_blank.png
[20:21:20] <eFfeM> webcam also has problems
[20:21:25] <ds2> Hmmm mostly at the beginning
[20:21:30] <eFfeM> will see if I have the file on hd and try to repeat
[20:21:46] <ds2> webcam could be an ISO endpoint and there are "issues" with ISO on MUSB
[20:21:52] <ds2> Bulk should work
[20:22:24] <eFfeM> need to reboot beagle first
[20:22:34] <eFfeM> killed too much processes for another test
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[20:24:03] <ds2> I think at LPC or somehting like that, we should have a MUSB debug session with people from all the different chips that use it (Blackfin, OMAP, davinci, and a few others)
[20:25:22] <err0neous> what is an iso endpoint and how do you find out if your device is one?
[20:25:43] <eFfeM> today copy of the file works fine; taht is md5sum is same as it is on linux
[20:26:08] <ds2> Iso is an isochronous endpoint; it is used mainly for multimedia (voice, video, and the like) where getting a packet there in a timely fashion is the most important thing
[20:26:34] <ds2> you can look in /proc/bus/usb/devices to find out if the config calls for an ISO ep. but this assumes your kernel has that confgiured in and it is mounted.
[20:28:57] <koen__> man
[20:29:10] <koen__> I go out for coffee and when I get back there are 92 new emails on l-o
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[20:30:40] <eFfeM> err0neous: if I connect my wintv pvr2 it load the firmware then dmesg says the device should reset and reconnect and that it it, the device does not show up in /sys/class/pvrusb2
[20:31:16] <err0neous> hmm... i had that problem too at first, im trying to remember what fixed it
[20:31:36] <eFfeM> koen__ if you like getting much mail subscribe to LKML
[20:31:51] * koen__ doesn't like getting much mail
[20:32:00] <koen__> that's why I like reading lists using nntp
[20:32:10] <err0neous> that happened to me on my ubuntu machine when i was using an older kernel version
[20:32:16] <koen__> it doesn't make my mail client go "gazillion unread messages"
[20:32:19] <err0neous> i updated to the latest version and it started working
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[20:33:49] <eFfeM> err0neous: it works on my opensuse box and it worked 2 years ago on my nslu2
[20:34:22] <err0neous> maybe it was just an issue with the hvr-1950 then
[20:34:37] <err0neous> i wish you could get yours working past that so that we can see if we have the same problem
[20:35:09] <eFfeM> i'm planning to try again using the host port when I get the rev c board
[20:36:02] <koen__> hmmm
[20:36:07] <koen__> olpc going ARM
[20:36:22] <eFfeM> why is that hmmm ?
[20:37:15] <eFfeM> koen should mail Negroponte and convince him to use angstrom on OLPC
[20:37:29] <eFfeM> or will they port XP or so to it :-)
[20:37:33] <ShadowJK> isn't he going to use xp
[20:37:40] <eFfeM> (that's a cynical grin)
[20:37:43] <err0neous> sounds like i should just return my beagleboard and wait for rev c... or try a pico-itx board instead
[20:37:48] <koen__> negroponte is urging windows to port xp to arm...
[20:38:06] <eFfeM> where did you get this koen?
[20:38:06] <koen__> s/windows/ms/
[20:38:21] <eFfeM> err0neous: i can probably tell you in a week if C is better
[20:38:45] <eFfeM> err0neous: could also be reset related
[20:38:48] <eFfeM> how far did you get ?
[20:39:12] <err0neous> i can actually get the stream from the hvr-1950
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[20:39:28] <eFfeM> oh, that is a lot better than what I can get
[20:39:42] <err0neous> but the encoder firmware does not always work
[20:39:54] <err0neous> sometimes it works right away
[20:40:05] <err0neous> sometimes it takes 45 minutes to get it to upload to the hvr-1950 successfully
[20:40:23] <err0neous> the kernel is reporting to the pvrusb2 driver that the firmware file size is like 8k or 12k or 16k
[20:40:34] <err0neous> most of the time.. but then sometimes it reports the correct size
[20:40:38] <eFfeM> this could be due to bits droppign or so
[20:40:43] <eFfeM> strange
[20:40:58] <err0neous> ive tried this from both a nand root filesystem and an sd root filesystem
[20:41:16] <eFfeM> i have this one: http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_pvrusb2.html
[20:41:30] <err0neous> there is no difference, it just tried a whole bunch of times, sometimes it gets non-garbage from the kernel and works
[20:41:57] <err0neous> yeah, i got this one because it is a lot smaller physically
[20:42:03] <err0neous> only slightly bigger than the beagleboard
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[20:42:36] <eFfeM> this one also looks nice: http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_pvrusb2.html
[20:42:46] <eFfeM> builtin h264 encoder, no idea on price
[20:43:09] <eFfeM> (and ofc encoding pal content as HD is not really useful/clever
[20:44:07] <err0neous> i think you sent the wrong link
[20:44:13] <err0neous> thats the same one as the first one you sent
[20:44:16] <eFfeM> i might go for a usb dvb-s receiver, but haven't found yet what the best choice is
[20:44:34] <eFfeM> yes i did: http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html
[20:45:31] <koen__> eFfeM: you should try the DSP to encode video :)
[20:45:56] <ZeZu> eFfeM: skywalker-1 for dvb-s
[20:46:02] <err0neous> that thing is gigantic
[20:46:10] <ZeZu> (genpix)
[20:46:26] <eFfeM> koen__ the pvr i have already delivers mpeg2 so no need to encode, and for dvb-s you probably want to just store the transport stream (or a subset)
[20:46:53] <koen__> eFfeM: for mpeg -> h264 you could use the dsp
[20:47:03] <eFfeM> true
[20:47:05] <koen__> and AIUI the eval codecs can decode D1 mpeg2 for you
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[20:47:21] <eFfeM> still need to dig into that area
[20:47:21] * koen__ waits for someone from TI to correct him
[20:47:26] <eFfeM> skywalker 1: usd 229
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[20:49:06] <ZeZu> yes, not cheap
[20:49:12] <ZeZu> but supports dish-hd
[20:49:30] <ZeZu> along with about everything else
[20:50:08] <eFfeM> hd is definitely nice to have
[20:50:30] <ZeZu> yes, its done differently for different providers, and dish requires special hardware
[20:50:41] <ZeZu> I have one, its a nice little device
[20:51:01] <ZeZu> starting writing some custom TS software
[20:51:16] <ZeZu> I might have to dig it back out and introduce it to the beagle when i have some time
[20:54:33] <err0neous> i just tried copying a 1GB file from usb to the sd card and it worked fine
[20:54:37] <err0neous> md5sum checks out
[20:59:11] <eFfeM> nice, not sure why I had problems did a few tests as well and cannot repeat it yet I saw also a number of corrupted files
[21:04:07] <eFfeM> calling it a day, cya!
[21:04:11] <err0neous> bye
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[21:28:25] <gregoiregentil> jKrdiner: Jason, question for you. When you are testing rev C, which kernel version are you currently using? (especially for ehci)
[21:28:49] * koen__ uses 2.6.28 and pm 2.6.28 from OE
[21:29:36] <koen__> gregoiregentil: the people at bossaconference.org were really excited about the touchbook :)
[21:29:51] <koen__> especially after seeing how beagle-like the PCB is
[21:30:27] * mru would like one whatever the shape of the pcb
[21:31:10] <Crofton|work> A friend of mine asked me to use "my OE connections" to get him one
[21:31:20] <jkridner|work> gregoiregentil: http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleboardRevCValidation
[21:31:22] <Crofton|work> I think he think I am more important than I am ...
[21:31:42] <koen__> Crofton|work: your OE connections and $399 can get him one :)
[21:32:26] <jkridner|work> you can probably guess how many times I've been asked for one as well. :)
[21:32:37] <gregoiregentil> koen: Cool! That's awesome
[21:33:08] <gregoiregentil> I will for sure reserve some boards for Europe in the first batch. Still need to figure out the details
[21:33:27] <gregoiregentil> jkridner: Thanks
[21:34:19] <gregoiregentil> no reason why Europe (which contributes much more than US to the open source community) would not get the Touch Book!
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[21:48:08] <Crofton|work> jkridner, ping
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[22:18:54] <jkridner|work> pong
[22:23:21] <Crofton|work> I think I am done touching the application
[22:23:38] <Crofton|work> I still like the idea of a mailing list and irc channel for soc
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[22:23:44] <Crofton|work> at least getting started
[22:24:10] * ds2 thinks koen should spend a week subscribed to LKML }:-)
[22:24:24] * Crofton|work wonders why ...
[22:25:15] <jkridner|work> Crofton|work: I'll cave on my view on that. :)
[22:25:26] <ds2> that was regarding:
[22:25:26] <ds2> <koen__> I go out for coffee and when I get back there are 92 new emails on
[22:25:28] <ds2> +l-o
[22:25:45] <koen__> jkridner: subscribe the soc ml to the regular list :)
[22:25:48] * Crofton|work is also of the mind that once we are approved, we can fgiure out how to work later :)
[22:26:01] <koen__> so posts to soc go to beaglegroups, but not vice-versa
[22:26:25] <Crofton|work> the seperate ml must be there, since we need to make sure they do not lose stuff in the flood of email
[22:26:35] <ds2> Crofton|work: is there a signup for co/assistant mentors?
[22:26:44] <Crofton|work> it is very likely we may have some people who are not used to email streams :)
[22:27:00] <ds2> "baptism by fire" ;)
[22:27:21] <Crofton|work> ds2, apparently baptism by fire is not effective :)
[22:27:22] <ds2> aka proof of why outlook should never ever ever be used
[22:27:36] <ds2> MH handles high volumes of mail just fine
[22:27:42] <Crofton|work> once we are a mentor org, I think the mentors will self select :)
[22:28:17] <Crofton|work> ie hang out on soc lists and help students with proposals and idea refinement
[22:28:37] <Crofton|work> I will certainly encourage them to use main channels
[22:28:45] <Crofton|work> but apparently, people are "shy"
[22:29:03] <Crofton|work> apparently us internet people can be frightening :)
[22:30:11] <ds2> btw, SoC lists sounds like a general embedded list
[22:30:30] <ds2> so if shows up on google, you might get random people subscribing
[22:31:23] <Crofton|work> beagle-soc@beagleboard.org?
[22:31:50] <ds2> I'd read that as a list about the Beagle System On a Chip board
[22:32:03] <Crofton|work> beagle-gsoc@beagleboard.org?
[22:32:10] <Crofton|work> :)
[22:32:24] <ds2> that would justleave me puzzled but at least it won't suggest something else if someone searched for SoC's
[22:33:07] <koen__> so disable auto approval
[22:33:26] <ds2> that only helps the non moderators ;)
[22:34:49] <Crofton|work> step 1, get approved a s a mentoring organization and assigned some slots :)
[22:35:15] <Crofton|work> step 2, figure out how to get eligible students to submit proposals
[22:35:47] <Crofton|work> step 3, find good people with good proposals to do out work for us, so we go to wifi enables beach
[22:36:17] <koen__> if all else fails I can sign up as student :)
[22:36:46] * koen__ switched mentor<>student roles before
[22:36:52] <Crofton|work> heh
[22:37:20] <ds2> koen: are you a grad or undergrad?
[22:37:24] <Crofton|work> we will need to be sensitive to different academic calendars
[22:37:28] <Crofton|work> :)
[22:37:48] <koen__> ds2: there's no short answer to that :)
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[22:38:07] <Crofton|work> I think the .eu system in buts
[22:38:09] <Crofton|work> nuts
[22:39:08] <ds2> koan__: okay.
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[22:44:04] <mib_5v4zdw> hi this is jkridner sitting with Cathy Wicks
[22:44:29] <mib_5v4zdw> Crofton|work: anything else to do before filing the application?
[22:44:40] <Crofton|work> hi
[22:44:46] <Crofton|work> review it
[22:44:58] <Crofton|work> and change Cathy's google account
[22:45:06] <mib_5v4zdw> did that
[22:45:27] <Crofton|work> ok I think everything is in line with various things I have seen on the web about SoC
[22:45:40] <koen__> the web never lies!
[22:46:00] <Crofton|work> on the internet, no one knows you are a dog ....
[22:46:05] <koen__> arf
[22:46:22] <Crofton|work> and like I say, the first step is to be accepted as a mentoring org
[22:46:31] <Crofton|work> and that is "competitive"
[22:46:42] <Crofton|work> ok, so I should start cutting and pasting?
[22:47:02] <Crofton|work> does anyone have a good count of weeks?
[22:47:14] <koen__> nope, sorry
[22:47:15] <Crofton|work> originally the application said seven
[22:47:26] <Crofton|work> which I counted and cames up with about 11
[22:47:56] <koen__> 7 for actual student work and 4 for applications and reviews?
[22:48:20] <Crofton|work> May 23 - Aug 10 for work
[22:48:24] * koen__ calls it a day
[22:48:30] <Crofton|work> heh
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[22:50:43] <ds2> Aug 10?!
[22:50:55] <ds2> some schools don't start til the 2nd week of Sept
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[22:51:19] <Sept> 2nd week of me! Yeah! ;D
[22:52:02] <Crofton|work> I added something to the timeline about the mid-term evaluation
[22:52:10] <ds2> Sept 20 - New Student checkin
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[22:53:52] <mib_5v4zdw> crofton|work, i am still reviewing the overall app. Can we add mention of projects we have successfully mentored from the community (not GSoc of course)
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[22:54:57] <Crofton|work> where?
[22:55:47] <Crofton|work> will it fit in community interaction or encouraging people before the soc?
[22:56:29] <Crofton|work> also, as a mentoring org, we will receive 500usd per student, so we can furnish boards
[22:56:59] <mib_5v4zdw> Put it organization has not previously participated in GSoC, have you applied in the past? If so, for what year(s)? " No however our organization has xyz...
[22:57:09] <Crofton|work> I have a feeling they will send me the money, and I will need to show expense it to avoid taxes
[22:57:11] <Crofton|work> hmmm
[22:57:35] <Crofton|work> i would not put it there
[22:57:50] <Crofton|work> try to avoid getting off topic in the answers :)
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[23:08:37] <mib_5v4zdw> I like your idea of encouraging people before the soc - shows we've done mentoring before to successful project completion - do you have a good example to point to?
[23:09:51] <Crofton|work> not really
[23:10:06] <Crofton|work> which section are you refering too
[23:10:47] <mib_5v4zdw> "What steps will you take to encourage contributors to interact with your project's community before, during and after the program?"
[23:11:01] <Crofton|work> ah
[23:11:16] <Crofton|work> hmm, there is a two month bonding period
[23:11:28] <Crofton|work> before coding is supposed to start
[23:11:40] <Crofton|work> apparently, this is new idea
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[23:14:05] <mib_5v4zdw> would it help to include that projects with approval can have donation of free board?
[23:14:48] <Crofton|work> we will receive 500 per student
[23:14:51] <Crofton|work> usd
[23:15:02] <Crofton|work> so we can give them hw
[23:15:31] <mib_5v4zdw> jkridner|work, are we up to 4000 boards shipped (re: the intro remarks about beagleboard)?
[23:15:51] <Crofton|work> anyone any good at graphic design, we should make SoC t-shirts for people :)
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[23:16:32] <Crofton|work> can we list Android as open source sw running on the beagle?
[23:16:37] <jkridner|work> well over.
[23:16:47] <Crofton|work> jkridner|work, that is awesome
[23:16:52] <jkridner|work> over 5,000.
[23:19:40] <Crofton|work> I have added a bit that during the two month community bonding period, we will introduce people to the main list/irc channel
[23:19:55] <mib_5v4zdw> crofton|work, can we mention hw platform can be beaglespinoffs?
[23:20:14] <Crofton|work> mib_5v4zdw, not for the application, I think that confuses things
[23:20:49] <Crofton|work> I would not reject a good proposal for another piece of hw though
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[23:21:05] <Crofton|work> as long as it benefitied the beagle community
[23:21:21] <mib_5v4zdw> okay. logging off for a few, back later
[23:21:26] <Crofton|work> in some sense, this is not a typical applicaiont
[23:21:27] <Crofton|work> ok
[23:21:55] <jkridner|work> I guess the hardware is what makes it different.
[23:22:08] <Crofton|work> yeah
[23:22:26] <Crofton|work> also our ideas are spread across many open source projects
[23:22:30] <jkridner|work> we need a plan to get boards to people (with all accessories) within a week of the student being selected.
[23:22:42] <Crofton|work> I should mention Android somehow
[23:22:54] <jkridner|work> I put a couple Android mentions in the ideas.
[23:23:04] <Crofton|work> jkridner|work, there is a two month "community bonding period"
[23:23:06] <Crofton|work> :)
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[23:25:19] <Crofton|work> I just added a line saying we would supply bb's during the binding period and help them setup dev environments
[23:25:46] <ds2> based on Gentoo/ARM, right? :D j/k
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[23:26:28] <jkridner|work> sure, but we want them to have time to come up to speed on the hardware and system before needing to come up execute on their project.
[23:26:30] <Crofton|work> heh
[23:26:38] <jkridner|work> so, getting hardware setups fast matters.
[23:26:46] <mib_2mkn56> Kernel panic -not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block, have you seen this error before in BB
[23:27:02] <jkridner|work> Crofton|work: that wording should be good.
[23:27:11] <Crofton|work> http://googlesummerofcode.blogspot.com/2007/04/so-what-is-this-community-bonding-all.html
[23:28:01] <Crofton|work> ds2, based on mentor's preferred way of working
[23:28:53] <Crofton|work> well, mentor/student agreement
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[23:29:24] <Crofton|work> mind you, I would not mentor anyone trying to work with something I did not understand well :)
[23:29:25] <jkridner|work> mib_2mkn56: you might want to add 'rootwait' to the command line for the kerne.
[23:30:27] <Crofton|work> ds2, I would likely suggest rejecting any proposal tied to any specific distro. They can assign students from their pool to that sort of thing
[23:30:53] * Crofton|work wears a bb.org hat for this effort
[23:31:01] <Crofton|work> not an oe.org hat
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[23:31:08] <ds2> Crofton|work: I agree
[23:31:25] <ds2> nothing against OE, just like things to work w/o the python mess
[23:31:54] <mib_2mkn56> jkridner: I have set rootwait=2 should I do some other value?
[23:32:14] <Crofton|work> what are you trying to mount as root
[23:32:50] <mib_2mkn56> root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 SD ext2 partion
[23:33:23] <jkridner|work> why not contribute to distros? such as adding more features to OE or improving Gentoo-ARM?
[23:33:45] <Crofton|work> jkridner|work, lets see what people propose :)
[23:33:46] <jkridner|work> mib_2mkn56: sometimes it needs longer, depending on the size/type of card.
[23:33:48] <ds2> distros fuel religious wars
[23:33:57] <jkridner|work> ds2: fair enough.
[23:34:25] <Crofton|work> Hopefully, we have more proposals and can chose from good ideas that have maximum impact
[23:34:26] <ds2> it it works (kernel stuff) regardless of distro, it will be usable by all
[23:34:30] <Crofton|work> to all beagle users
[23:34:37] <Crofton|work> ds, +10
[23:35:29] * ds2 chants MUSB MUSB....
[23:35:34] <Crofton|work> I have no problem if gentoo (for example) wants to approve beagle support as part of their student allocation :)
[23:35:44] * Crofton|work mutters really hard L)
[23:35:46] <Crofton|work> :)
[23:36:06] <Crofton|work> MUSB would need a really good student
[23:36:19] <mib_2mkn56> jkridner: The cards I am using are Transcend SD 2 GB and 4 GB, the interesting thing is that I was able to get Angstrom in another identical BB, without kernel panic, Do you have some suggestion what rootwait value to use
[23:36:24] <ds2> the results will benefit a lot of things
[23:36:25] <jkridner|work> I agree, but if people are motivated, I'd like to see it happen. Better if it is under the Gentoo project.
[23:36:26] <Crofton|work> well, because I do not understand it :)
[23:36:57] <Crofton|work> jkridner|work, you should add beagle ideas to other SoC idea lists :)
[23:37:00] <jkridner|work> I've never seen 'rootdelay=5' fail.
[23:37:04] <Crofton|work> brb
[23:37:10] <ds2> all the OMAPs, Davinci, blackfin, and others I am not at liberty to disclose
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[23:37:44] <mib_2mkn56> ok, I will try rootdelay=5 right away.
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[23:39:33] <Crofton|work> I should add something to the app about us selecting projects that benefit all beagle users
[23:39:45] <Crofton|work> not just distro specific projects
[23:40:16] <Crofton|work> I think I can make that highlight why an open source hw platform needs code
[23:41:14] <ds2> help make the world greener, ditch x86! :D
[23:41:31] <Crofton|work> rofl
[23:41:46] <ali_as> Piracy has done wonders for x86.
[23:41:46] <jkridner|work> Green computing is the right focus.
[23:41:48] <Crofton|work> my old advisor is getting into "green radios"
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[23:42:08] <ds2> xtal sets? ;)
[23:42:13] <jkridner|work> Green, small, and affordable. :)
[23:42:18] <ali_as> Sea shells?
[23:43:24] <ds2> I really really want to outdo the MSP guys and have a lemon powered beagle
[23:44:43] <ali_as> Thats the greenest experiment I know. Primarily because the energy never comes from the lemon.
[23:44:47] <Crofton|work> jkridner|work, can you look at what I added to the why is ....
[23:45:00] <ali_as> So it's just as fake as what drives half of the green movement.
[23:45:36] <ds2> and how do you know that is the case? I never said how I am going to use the lemon to power stuff
[23:45:48] <ds2> for all you know I can run a thermophile driven by a rapidly rotting lemon :P
[23:46:03] <ali_as> Well, I guess you could make a steam engine running off dried lemons ;)
[23:46:13] <ds2> Precisely!
[23:46:29] * jkridner|work looks.
[23:46:47] <ali_as> Ok, I concede that would be a genuinly carbon neutral envoromentally friendly powered beagle.
[23:47:38] <ali_as> Apple are currently running adverts for the new laptop here. "Made without many harmful chemicals like mercury".
[23:47:54] <mib_2mkn56> jkridner: I tried rootdelay=5 but still get stuck in the same spot
[23:48:15] <Crofton|work> mib_2mkn56, are you sure you have a good rootfs?
[23:48:31] <ali_as> MAybe they have other adverts planned that annouce the laptop contains no asbestos or thallium or anthrax.
[23:49:34] <ds2> but but a liquid lid is just so cool
[23:50:10] <mib_2mkn56> jkridner: I try the same SD card in another BB and that Angstrom runs fine of that SD card in different BB.
[23:50:12] <ali_as> Laptop made of terminator 2 material.
[23:50:34] <ali_as> Need a mouse? Break off a blob and it turns into a mouse.
[23:50:40] <Crofton|work> SD card works in one beagle but not another?
[23:50:54] <mib_2mkn56> yes,
[23:51:09] <Crofton|work> printenv in u-boot and compare results
[23:51:35] <mib_2mkn56> So I just type printenv, what I am looking for?
[23:52:18] <Crofton|work> differences between the two boards
[23:52:35] <mib_2mkn56> ok, I will try printenv
[23:52:36] <jkridner|work> I like all the updates.
[23:53:09] <Crofton|work> ok
[23:53:26] <jkridner|work> I'm pretty comfortable with the application as it is. I think Cathy would like to make sure it is as strong as possible.
[23:53:33] <Crofton|work> I must remind you, English was my worst subject in school
[23:54:07] <jkridner|work> I guess we need to give Cathy a few hours to wordsmith, if she feels the need.
[23:54:18] <Crofton|work> that is fine
[23:54:25] <Crofton|work> I suck at that
[23:55:01] <Crofton|work> is Android a distribtuion?
[23:55:35] <jkridner|work> I guess drop her an e-mail to let her know she is the bottleneck and don't wait on her too long (give her a deadline)
[23:55:41] <Crofton|work> I want to insert Android after Ubunti
[23:55:41] <jkridner|work> not really...
[23:55:43] <jkridner|work> more of a VM.
[23:55:48] <Crofton|work> hm
[23:55:49] <jkridner|work> or an OS.
[23:56:02] <Crofton|work> a vm is sort of like a distro ...
[23:56:10] <Crofton|work> I am going to lump it in there
[23:56:22] <Crofton|work> sometimes, we know too much
[23:56:29] <Crofton|work> and my dinner is almost ready
[23:56:29] <ds2> Android is more of a userland
[23:56:35] <ds2> it uses Linux as the kernel
[23:56:40] <Crofton|work> distro is sort of a user land :)
[23:57:06] <ds2> but it also provides java-esq VM along with their own version of busybox
[23:57:15] <jkridner|work> but it isn't a normal Linux user-land.
[23:57:30] <jkridner|work> the better to think of it like Java than as a user-land.
[23:57:33] <ds2> Yet
[23:57:35] <Crofton|work> ds2, I could have OE spit out an image like that :)
[23:57:53] <Crofton|work> for the gross description, I wll call it a distro :)
[23:58:01] <jkridner|work> yeah, it is really almost an entire new OS.
[23:58:18] <Crofton|work> no, user space on top of on OS
[23:58:26] <Crofton|work> aka a distro :)
[23:58:28] <jkridner|work> well, nothing from other distros would run unless the other distro co-existed.
[23:58:28] <ds2> I see why you would argue that it is more like Java.... unless you have been working on getting Android to run on an unknown kernel then, it is more like another insidious userland
[23:58:35] <Crofton|work> ok
[23:58:38] <Crofton|work> dinner
[23:58:38] <jkridner|work> they have their own kernel fork.
[23:58:42] <Crofton|work> bbl
[23:58:46] <Crofton|work> heh
[23:58:54] <ds2> hand full of patches isn't really a fork
[23:58:55] <Crofton|work> distros liek to fork their kernels
[23:59:19] <Crofton|work> also, my wife is going to beat me
[23:59:27] <jkridner|work> I guess. about 110 little patches with about 6 major features.
[23:59:50] <Crofton|work> just like a distro :)
[23:59:54] <Crofton|work> echo

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