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IRC Log for 2009-04-14

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[00:30:42] <nx0> wow the random usb peripheral interrupt issues i have on rev B of the beagle board is fixed in rev C
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[00:38:08] <mib_7tnziu> hi all, could anyone explain to me how to update the uImage I am using? Ive built a new one, but how do I "install" it
[00:38:21] <mib_7tnziu> excuse me, u-boot
[00:38:30] <mib_7tnziu> ive built a new u-boot and want to use it
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[00:40:36] <ds2> nx0: are you using musb or the EHCI port?
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[00:42:22] <mib_7tnziu> u-boot anyone?
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[00:56:36] <ali_as> mib_7tnziu, have you tested it by booting off an SD card?
[00:57:18] <ali_as> If so then you need to follow the u-boot flash instructions to burn it.
[00:57:40] <mib_7tnziu> i have it on a fat32 partition of an sd card
[00:58:14] <mib_7tnziu> but i dont know how to "use it" i guess
[01:00:20] <ali_as> Called u-boot.bin ?
[01:00:49] <mib_7tnziu> thats it, lol?
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[01:01:10] <ali_as> That's all you need to test it :)
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[01:01:29] <ali_as> If it fails to find it you may need to check your settigs.
[01:01:39] <mib_7tnziu> whats the advantage of burning it to the NAND then?
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[01:02:25] <ali_as> You don't need an SD card, disadvantage if it prevents booting it may be a pain to replace.
[01:02:43] <ali_as> Might be faster from flash.
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[01:07:32] <mib_7tnziu> thanks
[01:07:58] <ali_as> Welcome.
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[01:21:41] <mib_7tnziu> dont think that worked
[01:22:17] <mib_7tnziu> i loaded it on the sd cart as u-boot.bin, still says Starting OS Bootloader U-Boot 1.3.3 (Julu 10 2008 ....
[01:24:24] <mib_7tnziu> any help woulr be appreciated, I need to change the mux so I really need this to work
[01:24:35] <mib_7tnziu> tyring to get serial output on the expansion header
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[01:39:04] <mib_7tnziu> anyone know how UART modules get mapped to ttySX Im changing the mux setting and still cant get output
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[01:48:13] <ds2> the UARTs are setup as 16550 compatable stuff
[01:48:33] <ds2> software actually sees it all the time. It is the pinmux that routes it to the world
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[02:09:52] <mib_7tnziu> thanks
[02:09:58] <mib_7tnziu> i actually just got it woeking
[02:10:09] <mib_7tnziu> now just need t work on buad rate etc
[02:11:47] <ds2> Cool...what was the problem?
[02:13:19] <mib_7tnziu> i loaded the u-boot I made into NAND to make sure it was running it
[02:13:23] <mib_7tnziu> and it worked like a char,
[02:13:27] <mib_7tnziu> charm
[02:13:42] <ds2> excellent
[02:13:46] <ds2> what are you hooking up?
[02:14:10] <mib_7tnziu> i think i talked to you a week or so ago, im trying to recreate DMX512 for lighting
[02:14:24] <mib_7tnziu> so concert / stage lighting
[02:14:30] <ds2> ah right
[02:14:40] <ds2> the mib_XXXXX names makes it hard to id people
[02:14:53] <mib_7tnziu> yeah, i forgot to put my name in lol
[02:14:55] <MrBIOS-> re
[02:15:10] <MrBIOS-> any of you guys seen this new PogoPlug device?
[02:15:21] <MrBIOS-> It's based on an OEM kit manufactured by Marvell
[02:15:22] <mib_7tnziu> actually do you know if the uart is capable of 250Kbps
[02:15:35] <MrBIOS-> very sexy 1GHz ARM CPU and ethernet
[02:16:01] <ds2> mib_7tnziu: well, the overo uses it at about 900K so it can do it but the specific rate is limited to discrete values
[02:16:37] <ds2> MrBIOS-: the question that I want to know the answer to is what is the adjustment factor for the Sheeva; it is an Xscale descendant if I am not mistaken
[02:16:38] <mib_7tnziu> oh ok, any idea how to find thos out, i most likely need exactly 250K, if not ill go higher and use a MCU to down convert
[02:16:57] <ds2> mib_7tnziu: I suspect it might be 2x115200
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[02:17:12] <ds2> check the TRM
[02:17:25] <MrBIOS-> ds2: I just picked one up this afternoon from the company's HQ, as it were
[02:17:42] <ds2> MrBIOS-: they are selling it at the company store?
[02:17:47] <mib_7tnziu> TRM?
[02:17:55] <mib_7tnziu> datasheet?
[02:17:57] <MrBIOS-> ds2 no I just asked if I could pick one up, given that I was a mile away.
[02:18:07] <ds2> TRM == technical reference manual
[02:18:08] <MrBIOS-> glad I did, guy said he was going to send me info on how to get into it via SSH
[02:18:12] <ds2> look on the bb.org site
[02:18:17] <mib_7tnziu> thanks
[02:18:33] <ds2> MrBIOS-: you are in San Jose, I take it? or is this not directly done by the CPU maker?
[02:18:41] <MrBIOS-> ds2: nope, SF.
[02:19:04] <ds2> MrBIOS-: Oh
[02:19:21] <ds2> would be nice if the M office sold it...save on the shipping
[02:19:22] <MrBIOS-> ds2 the PogoPlug is a device marketed by an SF-based start-up. Their normal shipping/distribution center is actually in Fremont but their offices are just north of the FiDi
[02:19:40] <mib_7tnziu> u reffereing to the beagle baord ref manual or the OMAP manual?
[02:19:43] <ds2> MrBIOS-: Oh I see. Thought Marvell had their hands in it
[02:19:48] <ds2> mib_7tnziu: OMAP manual
[02:20:11] <MrBIOS-> ds2: they do, in that it's their OEM device being purchased by this cloud computing company who then sells it with their software, packaging, and support.
[02:20:17] <MrBIOS-> for $99
[02:20:26] <MrBIOS-> ds2: pogoplug.com/
[02:20:53] <ds2> MrBIOS-: looked there... thought it was just another front for marvell
[02:21:30] <MrBIOS-> ds2: nope, entirely different company, who knows maybe marvell is an angel investor :P
[02:21:33] <ds2> I really want to know what is the adjustment factor for the sheeva as the Xscale has been known to clock up but perform less
[02:21:45] <MrBIOS-> ds2: we shall see once I get into it :)
[02:21:57] <MrBIOS-> this thing has only been on sale for a few weeks
[02:22:04] <MrBIOS-> and the upstream supplier is backordered for four weeks
[02:22:20] <ds2> Oh so if I did order it, it'll be weeks before I would get it?
[02:22:53] <MrBIOS-> ds2: not from pogoplug
[02:23:01] <MrBIOS-> they have plenty
[02:23:09] <MrBIOS-> from the people marvell punt you to
[02:23:40] <MrBIOS-> http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/
[02:24:02] <MrBIOS-> "We are currently fulfilling all back orders.
[02:24:02] <MrBIOS-> Any new orders placed after April 01, 2009, will take 4 weeks for delivery."
[02:24:58] <ds2> MrBIOS-: could you get manuals for the CPU ?
[02:25:05] <ds2> and did you have to do a NDA to get it?
[02:25:13] <MrBIOS-> ds2: Marvell has that info on their site, and they're giving away the PCB layouts and BOMs
[02:25:29] <MrBIOS-> ds2: no, the pogoplug is a consumer product.
[02:25:32] <ds2> Marvell is known for requiring NDAs for what was previously free
[02:25:44] <MrBIOS-> ds2: yes this seems to be a clear reversal of that policy
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[02:25:53] <ds2> i.e. the PXA270 datasheets are under NDA even though intel published them
[02:25:54] <MrBIOS-> at least on this front. I've had to go through their NDA process before
[02:26:04] <MrBIOS-> so I'm familiar with it
[02:26:16] <MrBIOS-> I was telling a colleague at work how anal they were, in fact
[02:26:22] <MrBIOS-> just this very afternoon
[02:26:32] <ds2> I donno about a company that has intentionally screwed over people before
[02:26:43] <MrBIOS-> change is in the air?
[02:26:53] <MrBIOS-> like I said, the zip files for the thing are available directly from Marvell
[02:26:54] <MrBIOS-> JTAG info, etc
[02:27:05] <MrBIOS-> clearly they want people to hack away
[02:27:25] <ds2> they burned all the good will Intel generated
[02:27:30] <MrBIOS-> mind you, TI had never been terribly open-project friendly until the BB either...nowhere near as anal as Marvell, mind you, but still.
[02:27:47] <ds2> TI never took an open thing and attempted to lock it up either
[02:27:53] <MrBIOS-> getting any OMAP processor for one-off use was a big huge bitch
[02:28:02] <MrBIOS-> I tried back in 2002-2003
[02:28:17] <ds2> back then getting any OMAP processor specs was a major PITA
[02:28:31] <MrBIOS-> as I said, change is apparently afoot
[02:28:34] <ds2> TI shows a positive trend. Marvell is all over the place
[02:28:48] <MrBIOS-> clue eventually tends to prevail, especially just after you lose hope ;-)
[02:29:09] <MrBIOS-> it just doesn't in the short-run
[02:29:20] <MrBIOS-> those are two of my personal constants ;-)
[02:30:50] <mib_7tnziu> ur right, 230,400 then 460,800 bps
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[06:02:58] <koen> good morning all
[06:03:52] <sakoman> good morning koen
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[06:10:48] <koen> sakoman: did you get your palo back?
[06:12:50] <sakoman> yes, got it today
[06:13:07] <sakoman> haven't tried the led/button stuff yet
[06:13:39] <sakoman> been struggling to get 2.6.30 running, and helping Gordon a bit with getting the server back to life
[06:14:52] * koen is staring at gdb for what will turn out to be a typo in the gtkbuilder file
[06:15:31] <sakoman> I've been staring at pinmux for the tincan board
[06:15:44] <koen> sakoman: I'm waiting for RMK to respond to the clocks stuff before trying .30rc
[06:16:20] <sakoman> overo boots and sort of runs (x hangs, but the console works)
[06:16:37] <sakoman> beagle crashes in the regulator framework at boot
[06:17:15] <sakoman> the rev C expansion pinouts really make life difficult :-(
[06:19:57] <koen> all my revB boards are ES2.x, which seem prone to random crashes
[06:20:31] <sakoman> I have one rev B suffers from that too
[06:21:13] <sakoman> And one rev C-1, which has rev B expansion pinout
[06:21:29] <koen> I have one of those as well :)
[06:21:33] <sakoman> which really sucks because I have to use a custom u-boot
[06:21:33] <koen> rev CP
[06:21:57] <sakoman> the standard one doesn't know how to do pinmux right for it
[06:23:39] <sakoman> time for sleep. good night all
[06:23:44] <koen> 'night
[06:32:33] <AV500> gm
[06:32:39] <koen> hey AV500
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[06:35:45] <russ> just by pure luck, there isn't anyone here who knows about the SDRC_MCFG configuration, is there?
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[06:35:59] <russ> Its currently muxed so that every other page is from a different bank
[06:36:37] <russ> I really need to change it to be the actual physical layout, otherwise I'm going to need a very bizzare page setup where everyother page belongs in a different zone
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[06:46:18] <koen> russ: try reasking the question after the netsplit is over :)
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[06:54:35] <russ> koen: the panic is over, I found it in x-loader
[06:56:11] <russ> its even a config option
[06:56:57] <DJWillis> russ: sure you want that done in xloader not the 2nd stage uboot?
[06:57:37] <russ> DJWillis: it would seem rather difficult to change the order of pages in memory from ABABABABABABABCDCDCDCDCDCD to AAAAAAABBBBBBBBBCCCCCCCCCCDDDDDDDD while uboot is running
[06:57:50] <russ> unless it has parts that run from only sram
[06:59:08] <ds2> russ: this option changes the page interleaving between the CS's?
[06:59:37] <russ> it changes it from "b1 row b0 column" to "b1b0 row column"
[07:00:16] <russ> the hope with interleaving pages from different banks that performance will be improved
[07:01:53] <russ> but partial array self refresh doesn't care about the different layout and just disables (banks 3 and 4), (banks 2, 3, and 4), (half of bank 1, all of banks 2, 3, 4), (1/4 of bank 1, all of banks 2, 3, and 4)
[07:04:43] <russ> hmmm...that reflashing of x-loader didn't quite work...
[07:05:04] <russ> oops, forgot nandecc
[07:07:34] * koen reads up on compcache
[07:07:44] <russ> hmmm...still no joy
[07:08:34] <russ> http://pastebin.com/m47d55404
[07:09:10] <koen> heh
[07:09:18] <koen> I hate people who use uname in buildscripts
[07:09:24] * koen looks at mozilla
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[07:18:00] <recalcati> morning All
[07:22:16] <uberfry> you guys know a way to access some external memory with high speeds without having too much load?
[07:22:31] <uberfry> I don't mind encorporating an fpga and/or uC
[07:22:43] <uberfry> hi recalcati
[07:24:37] <methril|work> good morning
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[07:25:50] <mib_2syqqm> hi
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[07:52:31] <recalcati> re-morning
[07:55:15] <koen> recalcati: buongiorno
[08:01:09] <recalcati> ochtend ... I have seen a difference between 2.6.29-r4 and 2.6.29-r25 in kernel cmdline for selecting dvi resolution. In r4 omapfb.mode=dvi:hd720 works, in r25 it doesn't .. yes, I'm in the stable branch.
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[08:05:21] <recalcati> I don't see differences in .config related to dss and also I see some differences in drivers/video , but I try now to investigate
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[08:13:08] <hrw> morning
[08:13:37] <recalcati> morning hrw
[08:15:14] <recalcati> SD card with 2.6.29-r4 displa the video with: console=ttyS2,115200n8 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootwait rw omapfb.mode=dvi:hd720 init=/init omapfb.debug=omapfb.debug=y omapdss.def_disp=lcd omapdss.debug=y , instead r25 doesn't
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[08:16:51] <recalcati> Unknown boot option `omapfb.mode=dvi:hd720': ignoring
[08:17:14] <hrw> koen: http://pastebin.ca/1391498 - does it reminds you something?
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[08:24:15] <koen> hrw: yeah, that's the point where I add an ARM_INSTRUCTIONSET = "arm" into the recipe
[08:24:24] <MrBIOS-> ds2: you around?
[08:24:30] <hrw> ok
[08:24:44] <hrw> koen: so looks like one more patch dev->stable?
[08:24:46] <MrBIOS-> ds2: -bash-3.2# cat /proc/cpuinfo
[08:24:46] <MrBIOS-> Processor : ARM926EJ-S rev 1 (v5l)
[08:24:46] <MrBIOS-> BogoMIPS : 1192.75
[08:25:21] <hrw> MrBIOS-: which cpu it was?
[08:25:38] <MrBIOS-> that's the CPU in the PogoPlug
[08:25:53] <MrBIOS-> aka the Marvell SheevaPlug
[08:26:00] <hrw> kirkwood cpu
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[08:26:10] <hrw> koen: Khem got uclibc/thumb working in .dev
[08:26:13] <hrw> hi Florian
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[08:26:35] <MrBIOS-> hrw: is /thumb faster?
[08:26:59] <koen> hrw: with which toolchain? everytime I try it, I need to add back ARM_INSTRUCTION_SET = arm
[08:27:12] <hrw> koen: so do I. will have to ask him later
[08:27:16] <koen> hrw: http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/commit/&id=8401adacb242edde485f1a57a35e650eb837e7d4
[08:30:19] <recalcati> I'm sorry. The stable kernel was 2.6.28 and not 2.6.29. Now I try with a correct bootargs
[08:32:01] <hrw> koen: I think that it can be gcc 4.2 <> 4.3 thing
[08:32:22] <hrw> koen: armv5te do not builds, armv7a do
[08:32:26] <koen> that reminds me, I still need to make a recipe for 2009q1
[08:32:39] <koen> hrw: armv7 doesn't use thumb in angstrom
[08:32:48] <koen> since all armv7 cpus have a large enough cache
[08:32:56] <hrw> ok
[08:34:42] <vsr> is there a settings in e which will maximise all windows by default, some windows like gnome-mplayer appear small and i am unable to use maximise/close button. it just does not respond
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[08:37:18] <recalcati> ok, its working with correct cmdline.
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[08:37:23] <mib_sv3c8n> Hello, Does wireless Belkin Adaptateur USB N work with ??ngstr??m? Anybody uses it?
[08:37:34] <vsr> when there occupy full screen, they (close, minimise buttons respond)
[08:39:09] <recalcati> I have anyway an horizontal shift of 82 pixels using two different LCDs. In Samsung LE32A336 is quite ok, in Sony Bravia 32W4000 the fb is two much on the left, about 82pixels.
[08:43:30] <recalcati> mib_sv3c8n: sorry, I don't use it.
[08:44:18] <hrw> mib_sv3c8n: does it works with your linux desktop?
[08:44:45] <koen> vsr: try loading the illume module, then pester raster to split it up
[08:44:49] <MostAwesomeDude> koen: Thanks for the gdbm fix. :3
[08:45:05] <koen> MostAwesomeDude: I only noticed it this morning :)
[08:45:33] <MostAwesomeDude> koen: Well, I'm still very fail and not-comfortable with OE, so I can't really fix things yet.
[08:45:39] <MostAwesomeDude> So I appreciate it. :3
[08:46:04] <mru> koen: there are other good reasons not to use thumb2 on cortex-a8: some nasty hardware bugs
[08:47:04] <koen> MostAwesomeDude: sounds like you're better of basing your work on the stable branch
[08:47:39] <MostAwesomeDude> koen: Can't, we need a lot of packages that didn't come in until after beagleboard. Unless beagle got added to stable and I missed it...
[08:47:51] <koen> MostAwesomeDude: *cough*
[08:48:03] <koen> MostAwesomeDude: http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/Stable
[08:48:13] <koen> MostAwesomeDude: http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/log/&h=stable/2009
[08:48:27] <florian> good morning
[08:49:09] <MostAwesomeDude> koen: Well, I'll give it another whirl. It didn't work last time. :3
[08:49:14] <mib_sv3c8n> Hrw: I still have no adapter, I am in search of information to realize the purchase. I have at present the choice between the G version and the N version.
[08:51:22] <MostAwesomeDude> I am probably not a very good person for this kind of work. I'm not good with things that are not video cards. :c
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[09:14:16] <MostAwesomeDude> koen: I've started a bitbake of our oswald-image from the stable branch. If it boots an Ozzie in the morning, then I'll switch us over to stable. Sorry for the bother. :3
[09:17:27] <french_user> Hrw: I still have no adapter, I am in search of information to realize the purchase. I have at present the choice enter the G version and the N. version (new username = > french_user,I lost the internet connection)
[09:18:33] <hrw> french_user: hard to tell then
[09:19:26] <hrw> MostAwesomeDude: stable/2009 is working
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[09:20:57] <recalcati> hrw: I have some bugs reports for stable/2009, where I put them ?
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[09:22:08] <MostAwesomeDude> hrw: You've got an Ozzie?
[09:22:09] <hrw> recalcati: oe ml
[09:22:25] <hrw> MostAwesomeDude: nope, but can accept donation ;D
[09:22:33] <recalcati> hrw: ok.
[09:23:11] <MostAwesomeDude> hrw: Lots of people appear to want them. As soon as we have enough of them, we really do want to make them available to devs. :3
[09:23:26] <hrw> MostAwesomeDude: some kind of url with informations?
[09:25:06] <koen> hrw: http://beaversource.oregonstate.edu/projects/cspfl/wiki
[09:27:28] <koen> hrw: did I send the last patchset with correct threading?
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[09:29:42] <hrw> koen: did not hit my inbox yet
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[09:49:07] <recalcati> morning , the pc crashed :)
[09:56:30] <recalcati> koen: to add 600Mhx to stable/2009 is difficult? I'm searching inside pm kernel patches.
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[10:16:20] <hrw> koen: thx for threaded post
[10:17:42] <hrw> koen: --no-chain-reply-to is good to know for future
[10:18:41] <hrw> koen: so when you use --no-chain-reply-to and --compose then you have summary mail + patches as replies to summary (instead of chain of replies)
[10:19:22] <mru> isn't that the default in recent git versions?
[10:24:05] <koen> I mail from a debian stable host
[10:24:22] <koen> so anything 'recent' isn't there
[10:24:29] <mru> so why do you use it?
[10:25:10] <koen> too lazy to setup a working sendmail here :)
[10:25:25] <mru> why would you use sendmail?
[10:25:30] <mru> postfix is much easier
[10:28:39] <hrw> koen: git send-email can use external SMTP too
[10:29:20] <koen> hrw: in my case external smtp would be gmail, and gmail is known to mangle message bodies
[10:29:32] * koen still doesn't get why patches can't be sent as attachments
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[10:40:58] * koen looks at http://amethyst.openembedded.net/~koen/android/ and vommits
[10:42:51] <mru> what's that patch set for?
[10:43:46] <tomba> koen: it's easier to comment on patches sent inline. although I think I'd prefer patches to be both inline AND attachments =)
[10:44:10] <mru> tomba: depends on what mailer you use
[10:44:26] <mru> gnus will happily quote attachments in replies
[10:46:39] <tomba> mru: outlook doesn't =(
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[10:50:58] <mru> tomba: so don't use it
[10:51:51] <hrw> koen: omg
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[10:55:56] <koen> hrw: omg?
[10:57:14] <recalcati> hrw: I sen't an email to openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org (I tried many weeks ago to do subscribe but I hadn't answer). What I can do ?
[10:57:55] <recalcati> I'm not allowed: "You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and you ....."
[10:58:15] <recalcati> sen't=sent
[10:59:43] <recalcati> I try to subscribe again
[11:00:34] <recalcati> sent , now I'm waiting to be accepted ... I hope
[11:04:51] <hrw> koen: android patchset
[11:05:20] <recalcati> hrw: ok, Ive been accepted
[11:07:50] <koen> hrw: yaffs(2) makes me sick
[11:08:35] <recalcati> I sent another mail to oe devel ml. It should be accepted now. I hope.
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[11:26:31] <eFfeM> tomba, did you see the note i left a few days ago for you in this channel on 720p?
[11:26:50] <tomba> eFfeM: probably not. what was it about?
[11:28:03] <eFfeM> tomba, i had 720p running on my monitor, but not on my tv, when I changed the hfp and hbp values, it did work on tv, not on the monitor
[11:28:14] <eFfeM> difference is that tv = +hsycn, monitorr = -hsync
[11:28:32] <eFfeM> guess swapping the hfp and hbp values inverts the sync or so
[11:28:51] <eFfeM> don't we need something to read the sync from eg EDID?
[11:28:57] <eFfeM> or is something else wrong?
[11:29:08] <tomba> yes. different tvs/monitors want different timings/syncs, it seems
[11:29:29] <recalcati> eFfeM: tomba : I'm getting crazy too.
[11:29:29] <tomba> yep, EDID would be the best option.
[11:29:43] <eFfeM> i have edid data for both, but don't know exactly where/how to resolve it
[11:29:51] <tomba> but I guess I also need to implement the polarity settings to sysfs
[11:29:54] <eFfeM> and someone mentioned you were the resident expert :-)
[11:30:18] <recalcati> I could acquire, using my pc, EDID from Sony Bravia 32W4000 and also Samsung LE32A336 and compare them
[11:30:38] <eFfeM> recalcati: what is the hsync for these? + or - ?
[11:30:47] <recalcati> in Sony Bravia I have 82pixels shifted to the left
[11:30:59] <recalcati> the image is out on the left
[11:31:07] <eFfeM> my tv is philips 42pf9731D/10, monitor is an iiyama one
[11:31:10] <recalcati> in Samsung is quite ok
[11:31:59] <recalcati> eFfeM: you have EDID file format? I suppose in HDMI 1.3 protocol info
[11:34:06] <eFfeM> recalcati: modes 6 to 9 seem to have a hfront of 38 whereas mode4 (which is currently in the file use mode 4 which has a hfront of 110
[11:36:24] <eFfeM> maybe substitute 110 with 38 and 220 with 114 (and don't ask why it is 114 :-)
[11:37:04] <eFfeM> actually mode 4 is +hpol, so I guess something could b e added to the mode to specify the pol
[11:38:06] <recalcati> I try, but then we need, for the future, to do it automatically
[11:42:08] <eFfeM> sure
[11:42:22] <tomba> there's EDID parser in the kernel
[11:42:55] <recalcati> now I'm compiling -pm kernel to go 600Mhz, then I'll modify as eFfeM said
[11:45:06] <eFfeM> tomba, saw that there were drivers that use EDID, but didn't drill further
[11:45:12] <eFfeM> i also found this http://www.jvcdig.com/timing%20data/QX1%20DVI%20EDID%20Table.pdf
[11:45:13] <eFfeM> fwiw
[11:46:56] <recalcati> with different kernels I have sometimes a pb: passing from u-boot to kernel I loose the syncro to LCD. If I restart I have it again
[11:47:16] <recalcati> loosing synchro means bloack screen
[11:47:41] <tomba> recalcati: does your u-boot show a picture?
[11:47:50] <recalcati> yes
[11:48:02] <tomba> that's the reason. dss has a bug regarding that.
[11:48:33] <recalcati> u-boot alwasy works: the one in revB7 . it is 1.3.3. It was aligned in Sony and also in Samsung
[11:48:47] <recalcati> I need so its sources
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[11:52:36] <recalcati> eFfeM: "substitute 110 with 38 and 220 with 114" not supported
[11:52:47] <eFfeM> ojk, pity
[11:54:22] <recalcati> I do I get u-boot sources ? U-Boot 1.3.3 (Jul 10 2008 - 16:33:09) . And where are timings?
[11:55:14] <koen> recalcati: tried looking at http://beagleboard.org?
[11:56:26] * koen entered "u-boot sources" into the searchbox on that page and got results
[11:56:48] <recalcati> OE_STABLE:beagleboard recalcati@recalcati-laptop:~/oe_stable$ less tmp/work/beagleboard-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/u-boot-2009.03+r22+gitr2dea1db2a3b7c12ed70bbf8ee50755089c5e5170-r22/git/drivers/video/videomodes.c
[11:56:58] <recalcati> I do the same now
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[12:00:13] <recalcati> found , now I make a diff between it and latest u-boot
[12:00:50] <beyo> I am looking for having a java virtual machine on the beagle board. does anybody can point on a relevant procedure or thread for having java on the beagle?
[12:01:58] <recalcati> 720p not present in drivers/video/videomodes.c of u-boot_beagle_revb.tar.gz . maybe I'm not in the right file
[12:03:17] <recalcati> ok, something inside ./board/omap3530beagle/omap3530beagle.c is present. now I investigate
[12:06:13] <recalcati> dss_init writes so many registers. without any comment. but it works. http://widget.mibbit.com/up/sVVAygTm.c
[12:07:44] <koen> beyo: opkg install jammvm?
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[12:19:01] <mangesh_desai> i have put root file system on mmc card . i m getting http://pastebin.com/m3ea3013e error
[12:19:18] <mangesh_desai> can anybody help me
[12:20:20] <recalcati> strange..
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[12:20:35] <recalcati> did you followed the instructions ?
[12:20:40] <recalcati> did you followethe instructions ?
[12:20:43] <recalcati> did you follow the instructions ?
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[12:21:52] <recalcati> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/video-tutorial-how-install-%C3%A5ngstr%C3%B6m-beagleboard
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[12:23:18] <mangesh_desai> i m using proper command line
[12:24:04] <mangesh_desai> is it a problem of MMC card ot uboot
[12:24:59] <recalcati> did you format correctly, see the video, it is really quick and clear
[12:25:17] <mangesh_desai> ya i did it earlier
[12:25:24] <mangesh_desai> it was working properly
[12:25:47] <mangesh_desai> now it has started giving this problem
[12:26:35] <recalcati> did you write to it runtime?
[12:26:52] <mangesh_desai> means
[12:27:27] <mangesh_desai> ya
[12:27:36] <recalcati> did you destroy the filesystem ? have a check with e2fsck os the one for dos fs
[12:27:46] <mangesh_desai> it is creating some new folders at runtime
[12:28:43] <mangesh_desai> i tried with complete formating
[12:28:43] <recalcati> check it using the pc
[12:28:51] <mangesh_desai> k
[12:30:40] <recalcati> if you follow the video you don't make mistake
[12:32:57] <beyo> Koen: can you elaborate about your answer ?
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[12:35:44] <hrw> beyo: jammvm is one of jvms. and is available in angstrom repository
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[12:37:23] <beyo> so it means that i need to bringup the beagle with the angstrom distro and the then to install the jammvm?
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[12:38:51] <recalcati> strange behaviour in pm kernel. I loose LCD synchro from u-boot to kernel, and I have these messages .. "SR1: VDD autocomp is not active" http://widget.mibbit.com/pb/FiFO2I
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[12:39:49] <recalcati> map-dss DISPC error: Excessive DISPC errors and so it turns off LCD
[12:43:03] <recalcati> no way. I rebooted again and it does the same. I left unplugged 5 seconds. Now I left unplugged 30 seconds
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[12:51:38] <koen> recalcati: as tomba said, use a u-boot without bootlogo
[12:53:45] <eFfeM> mangesh_desai: are you using an SDHC card? I have -110 with sdhc, but a 2GB SD card works fine for me.
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[13:03:04] <recalcati> koen: but the kernel gets the sync and when, I suppose, start X, I have other errors. I post in oe ml right now
[13:04:57] <mangesh_desai> recalcati: same problem
[13:05:12] <koen> recalcati: why post mails if you're going to ignore the advice anyway?
[13:05:16] <mangesh_desai> recalcati: It got mounted only once
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[13:06:43] <recalcati> not true.
[13:06:58] <recalcati> I posted before your advice.
[13:07:15] <recalcati> Now I'm looking at latest u-boot w/o logo.
[13:07:17] <koen> after tombas advice
[13:09:06] <recalcati> I didn't understand I had to get off the logo. I do it
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[13:17:28] * raster feels like pushing some patches to oe's dev git...
[13:17:43] <raster> it's time... to create some pain!
[13:17:44] <raster> :)
[13:17:46] <koen> :)
[13:17:52] <recalcati> same behaviour. kernel starts at hd720, then http://widget.mibbit.com/pb/9ilAps
[13:17:55] <raster> what say ye?
[13:18:18] <koen> raster: push it, we can always fix later
[13:18:39] <raster> cool
[13:18:45] <raster> just thorught i'd give some arning
[13:18:46] <raster> wanring
[13:18:50] <raster> it shouldnt break anything
[13:18:52] <raster> oe still builds for me
[13:18:55] <raster> for multiple targets
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[13:21:41] <recalcati> same u-boot, bootargs and rootfs, ony changed the kernel from uImage-2.6.28-pm3+gitrfe30e75b8c0b91b259fcea781b859e594ba21ae9-r7-beagleboard.bin to uImage-2.6.28-r25-beagleboard.bin now works
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[13:22:15] <raster> hmmm
[13:22:17] <raster> hung up
[13:22:26] <koen> try again
[13:22:30] <koen> git server is flaky
[13:23:20] <raster> hmm
[13:23:35] <raster> i ssuspect i didnt do it as a dev for write access
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[13:23:56] <XorA> check .git/config that it is a git+ssh URI
[13:24:00] <raster> yup
[13:24:01] <raster> fixing
[13:24:06] <raster> url = git@git.openembedded.net:openembedded
[13:24:06] <raster> therew
[13:24:17] <raster> okies
[13:24:23] <raster> rejected! pssst!
[13:24:25] * koen looks at http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/GitTips#line-397
[13:25:31] <raster> try again
[13:25:40] <raster> aha
[13:25:42] <raster> done
[13:26:16] <eFfeM> recalcati have you looked at the eidid data of your tv (e.g. with moninfo under windows, that interprets the data quite nicely)
[13:26:20] <raster> there goes the neighbourhood
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[13:26:24] <koen> :)
[13:26:48] <raster> XorA: U HAVE GIT.OR.NET DIRECT ACCESS?
[13:26:55] <raster> IE.. CAN U NIX THE *RASTER* BRANCHES?
[13:27:00] <raster> oops
[13:27:02] <raster> wtf?
[13:27:11] <XorA> hehe
[13:27:19] <raster> how did my caplock key start working!
[13:27:20] <raster> damnit!
[13:27:21] <XorA> Im currently working from an EEE so no git for me
[13:27:39] <koen> raster: raster@om.org?
[13:27:43] <raster> thats better!
[13:27:59] <raster> XorA: aaah
[13:28:04] <raster> koen: ? for?
[13:28:11] <eFfeM> recalcati: if you want to know what the dss regs in u-boot mean: look at section 15.7.1 of spruf98b.pdf
[13:28:16] <koen> raster: authorCarsten Haitzler <raster@openmoko.org>2009-04-14 10:33:12
[13:28:23] <raster> ooho dead
[13:28:25] <raster> bugger
[13:28:27] <raster> my git config is wrong
[13:28:49] <raster> i havent fixed it
[13:28:55] <recalcati> eFfeM: I'm getting crazy.. now I have discovered that I can't read registers with devmem2
[13:29:19] <raster> there
[13:29:20] <raster> fixed
[13:29:23] <raster> that email still works
[13:29:28] <raster> so technically valid
[13:29:59] <raster> there
[13:30:00] <raster> fixed
[13:30:22] <recalcati> at least I can't read http://widget.mibbit.com/pb/UJ9N1i
[13:30:35] <raster> well finally all my patches are upstream
[13:30:40] <recalcati> something about DSS initialization
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[13:31:34] <raster> feel free to beat me for anything :)
[13:32:20] * XorA beats raster just coz
[13:32:30] <raster> XorA: :-P
[13:32:40] <XorA> nice set of patches
[13:32:42] <raster> XorA: after having been victim of enouhg erroneous oe.dev git commits
[13:32:53] <eFfeM> guys can you take your perversions offline
[13:32:58] * eFfeM really doesn't want to know
[13:33:09] <XorA> eFfeM: The Internet is for Porn, did you miss that :-D
[13:33:32] <eFfeM> also for dirty porn ??? :p
[13:33:37] <raster> ending up with a broken tree that just couldnt have built... i've come ot he conclusion that oe.dev doesnt much worry about quality of commits... so may aswell just dump my junk :)
[13:34:37] <koen> that's why we have a fork without germans^^H^H^H^H^H^H^ stable branch now
[13:34:43] <raster> hahahaha
[13:35:06] <raster> i can't make eo.dev too much worse :)
[13:35:15] <raster> that makes me feel... fuzzy :)
[13:35:25] <Crofton> bootspalsh break DSS?
[13:35:45] <Crofton> XorA, no wonder pr0n is banned in Britain
[13:35:50] <raster> gah
[13:35:54] <raster> someone broke u-boot
[13:36:02] <raster> ERROR: Multiple .bb files are due to be built which each provide virtual/bootloader (/home/raster/oe/org.openembedded.dev/recipes/u-boot/u-boot_git.bb /home/raster/oe/org.openembedded.dev/recipes/u-boot/u-boot-omap3_git.bb).
[13:36:02] <raster> This usually means one provides something the other doesn't and should.
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[13:37:05] <recalcati> Crofton: I see sometimes a problem in re-sync from u-boot to kernels (2.6.28 and 2.6.29) but today I was jooking with 2.6.28 pm and it has pb when X starts.
[13:37:08] <XorA> raster: of course you will now get the blame for e2fsprogs failing on bolloxed toolchains ;-)
[13:37:32] <raster> XorA: e2fsprogs dies on oe's own toolchain
[13:37:43] <raster> without that.. it just fails to compile
[13:37:46] <XorA> raster: didnt here, I tested it on two platforms
[13:37:52] <raster> did here
[13:37:56] <raster> ubuntu intrepid
[13:38:03] <XorA> debian lenny
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[13:38:22] <raster> it used to work on hardy
[13:38:26] <XorA> raster: but before that patch it was even more fucked :-)
[13:38:26] <raster> i think
[13:38:35] <raster> but hey - failed. open in that setup required 3 args
[13:38:41] <XorA> bloody people overriding do_configure
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[13:39:19] <prpplague> sakoman: ping
[13:39:51] <prpplague> koen: ping
[13:40:01] <hrw> prpplague: hi
[13:40:06] <prpplague> hrw: hey bud
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[13:40:11] <prpplague> hrw: how goes it?
[13:40:17] <recalcati> eFfeM: I saw section 15.7.1 of spruf98b.pdf. in two or three year I can understand it.
[13:40:17] <hrw> prpplague: fine
[13:40:33] <hrw> prpplague: another reorganization of desk in progress
[13:40:36] <koen> prpplague: pong
[13:40:38] <prpplague> hrw: whatcha working on these days?
[13:40:43] * hrw drilled 2 more holes for cables in desk
[13:40:44] <prpplague> koen: you get your board yet?
[13:40:49] <koen> prpplague: nope
[13:40:59] <prpplague> koen: okie dokie, let me check on that
[13:41:00] <hrw> prpplague: beagleboard, bug, atngw100 are my main toys now
[13:41:02] <koen> prpplague: didn't know it already got sent :)
[13:41:31] <koen> hrw: http://amethyst.openembedded.net/~koen/narcissus/ supports atngw100 as well now :)
[13:41:31] <prpplague> koen: not 100% sure it has, just wanted to double check on it
[13:41:38] <hrw> koen: cool
[13:41:44] <hrw> koen: 2.6.29 testing now
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[13:42:03] <koen> prpplague: if you have a click&ship tracking, great
[13:42:04] <raster> oh ptoohey
[13:42:06] <XorA> hrw: testing 2.6.29 on the atngw?
[13:42:12] <recalcati> The question is: why u-boot 1.3.3 (july 2008) displays a 720p in Sony Bravia 32W4000 and also in Samsung LE32W336, instead kernel insert, in Sony, an horizontal offset off 82 pixels?
[13:42:12] <raster> who added u-boot to omap3.inc?
[13:42:13] <hrw> XorA: yes
[13:42:16] <koen> or whatever USPS calls it these days
[13:42:22] <XorA> hrw: good, 2.6.28 was a little unstable
[13:42:23] <raster> and didnt remvoe it from everything that uses omap3.inc?
[13:42:34] <raster> who- do i... castrate...
[13:42:35] <prpplague> koen: i'll pester the boss to find out about it
[13:42:40] <koen> raster: eeps!
[13:42:50] <raster> shall i fixies?
[13:42:57] <raster> like... remove the sucker?
[13:43:02] <prpplague> hrw: i still have a M8050 for you, its rev3 hardware, but its pretty stable
[13:43:03] <raster> (from omap3.inc)
[13:43:13] <raster> as all the images (overo, pandora, bb etc.) all use u-boot-omap3
[13:43:17] <raster> (already)
[13:43:33] <koen> raster: u-boot-omap3 should get deleted from .dev
[13:43:46] <raster> well
[13:43:50] <raster> right now someone borked it badly
[13:43:55] <koen> raster: u-boot-omap3 is a gumstix isms we don't support in OE
[13:43:56] <mib_690hko> i try to build gstreamer-ti /db/toolsrc/library/vendors2005/ti/c6x/6.0.16/Linux not found. does anyone know howto fix this
[13:44:03] <raster> by keeping the refs in all the images using the .inc
[13:44:08] <hrw> prpplague: cool
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[13:44:51] <raster> hmm
[13:45:02] <raster> well overo and pandora got b0rkened
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[13:45:36] <raster> ooh no
[13:45:38] <koen> raster: pandora has it commented out
[13:45:38] <raster> just overo
[13:46:05] <raster> yeah
[13:46:07] <raster> i was grepping
[13:46:09] <raster> didnt see the #
[13:46:11] <raster> did now
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[13:48:12] <hrw> XorA: 2.6.29 booted
[13:48:22] <hrw> XorA: Linux atngw100 2.6.29 #1 PREEMPT Tue Apr 14 15:40:26 CEST 2009 avr32 unknown
[13:48:27] <XorA> hrw: cool
[13:48:38] <XorA> hrw: I had meant to test it, just didnt have time at weekend
[13:48:38] <hrw> will push
[13:48:55] * koen should dust off the at32stk1000 sometime
[13:48:56] <XorA> hrw: took me long enough to work out someone had bolloxed the defconfig :-)
[13:49:22] <koen> the stk1000 has 8 user controllable leds :)
[13:49:45] <hrw> ~hail angstrom
[13:49:53] <hrw> root@atngw100:~# opkg update;opkg upgrade;opkg install powertop
[13:50:33] <XorA> hrw: dd if=/dev/zero of=/swap.file count=128k size=1k killed my atngw100 very quickly on 2.6.28
[13:50:44] <XorA> hrw: where / is on SD
[13:50:59] <hrw> XorA: here / is on 192.168.1.112:/srv/nfs/avr32 ;D
[13:51:23] <XorA> hrw: heh, I was hoping to run rtorrent on mine
[13:51:40] <hrw> XorA: I prefer to use tftp+nfsroot on devboards
[13:51:55] <hrw> as long as they have ethernet in bootloader
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[13:56:45] <hrw> XorA: pushed
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[14:04:27] <ant_work> hrw: jump on 2.6.29+2.6.30-rc1 ... I created that for Pavel contribs, though ;-)
[14:06:43] <hrw> ant_work: no. I use latest release for devboards in OE.
[14:07:06] <hrw> ant_work: for my home experiments I can use recent GIT + crazy hacks but thats personal only
[14:07:13] <hrw> Linux home 2.6.30-rc1-dirty #82 SMP PREEMPT Thu Apr 9 11:35:01 CEST 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[14:07:44] <ant_work> ok, for pavelm we need semi-official things :-) I don't want to scary him....
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[14:09:49] <mru> koen: the stk1000 also has two rgb LEDs
[14:10:23] <mru> and an lcd, but where's the fun in that?
[14:15:12] <koen> mru: 8 mono leds OR 2 rgb leds
[14:16:00] <koen> you need a to connect the gpio pins to the mono leds connector or the rgb one
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[14:17:19] <mru> iirc there are more gpio pins
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[14:23:09] <sakoman> prpplague: pong
[14:23:30] <prpplague> sakoman: just checking to see if you got your board and if you had any questions
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[14:23:36] <koen> sakoman: good morning!
[14:24:20] <hrw> hi sakoman
[14:24:30] <sakoman> prpplague: I have the board. Serial is working, mmc is not. RTC is on the todo list today, ethernet tomorrow
[14:24:43] <sakoman> hi koen, hrw!
[14:24:51] <prpplague> sakoman: ahh ok, dandy
[14:24:59] <prpplague> sakoman: what kind of problems with the mmc?
[14:25:23] <koen> raster: sane-srcrevs now has duplicates for your swisscom stuff :)
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[14:25:46] <sakoman> the hookup is somewhat "non-standard"
[14:26:19] <sakoman> I'm not sure the automatic level translaters are going to work
[14:27:26] <sakoman> basically it just doesn't work :-) CD and WP are connected fine and transitions detected at appropriate times
[14:27:46] <sakoman> but io transactions just get nowhere
[14:28:11] <prpplague> hmm, bummer
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[14:29:01] <prpplague> sakoman: i'll look over the schematic again to see if we missed something
[14:29:12] <raster> koen: eek!
[14:29:42] <sakoman> prpplague: I used basically the same code on other hardware with success
[14:30:05] <sakoman> but that used direction controls for the level translators
[14:30:16] <prpplague> sakoman: ahh
[14:30:18] <raster> koen: i'm more worried about this
[14:30:22] <raster> ERROR: QA Issue: No GNU_HASH in the elf binary: '/home/raster/oe/tmp.angstrom.ov
[14:30:23] <raster> ero/work/armv7a-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/ltrace-0.4-r2/install/ltrace/usr/bin/ltra
[14:30:23] <raster> ce'
[14:30:30] <koen> raster: http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/commit/&id=1c1e92afe0373f90d66052efa6b59fe063697ce1
[14:30:35] <prpplague> sakoman: i'll have a look
[14:30:54] <koen> raster: add: TARGET_CC_ARCH += "${LDFLAGS}" to the ltrace .bb, bump PR, commit
[14:30:59] <koen> that should fix it
[14:31:25] <raster> koen: yeah. it didnt conflict. i fixed it
[14:32:13] <prpplague> ds2: ping
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[14:37:51] <hrw> have a ncie day
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[14:38:39] <prpplague> sakoman: i'll have a look at the schematic and see what we missed
[14:39:35] <XorA> jkridner: morning!
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[14:40:43] <sakoman> prpplague: I have my doubts that those automatic bidirectional buffers can work in this application
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[14:42:12] <mru> you can have perfect *or* automatic, never both
[14:43:45] <koen> cheap, fast, good - pick 2
[14:43:59] <prpplague> sakoman: the mmc slot on the beagle is just 1.8v compatible, correct?
[14:44:29] <sakoman> no it has automatic voltage selection
[14:44:42] <prpplague> ahh
[14:44:42] <sakoman> (iirc)
[14:45:13] <prpplague> sakoman: via the twl?
[14:45:30] <sakoman> yes (again iirc)
[14:45:48] <sakoman> would need to go check to give you a definitive answer
[14:46:02] <sakoman> but that is what I recall
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[14:46:35] <prpplague> hmm
[14:47:14] <recalcati> koen: I recompiled u-boot 1.3.3 w/o logo (I tried also commenting dss_init and also not writing the logo but initializing the DSS). pm doesn't like it (it stops at "Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 80x25"). the stable one starts. So I can't find the way to have 720p and 600Mhz.
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[14:48:39] <prpplague> sakoman: yea from what i am seeing there is no need for the level translators
[14:48:47] <recalcati> To recompile 1.3.3 I needed to use CodeSourcery. tmp/cross/armv7a/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi- doesn't see march=armv7a
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[14:51:27] <koen> recalcati: don't use 1.3.3, it's broken
[14:51:41] <koen> XorA: my kdrive bug reports got closed with "kdrive is dead" today :)
[14:52:23] <raster> jHAHAHAHA
[14:52:52] <XorA> koen: YES!!!!
[14:53:16] <recalcati> koen: I only try it. Also with the last I have the pb. I'd like to have 600Mhx in 2.6.28-r25. The pm kernel doesn't work sometimes.
[14:53:31] <ant_work> XorA: what does it mean for e.g. imageon?
[14:53:51] <ant_work> brrr...
[14:54:09] <sinoth> heya all.. i was looking into getting a BB a few months back but it seemed like the community was waiting on a newer revision. (rev C? for fixed usb i think? also more ram?) it seems like this is what digikey is carrying now. is it now a good time to buy a BB, or is another revision in the works with 2x more memory? :)
[14:54:38] <JD30> Hi all. Recently my attempts to "bitbake console-image" result in "ERROR: Build of .../console-image.bb do_rootfs failed"
[14:54:54] <JD30> can anyone tell me how to fix this?
[14:54:58] <recalcati> JD30: see the logs
[14:56:01] <recalcati> click on Pastebin here below and paste them in the window
[14:56:30] <JD30> this just started after a recent git pull - i have not modified anything BTW
[14:56:40] <JD30> will grab log - brb
[14:57:44] <recalcati> are you on the stable branch ? http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/Stable
[14:58:01] <sakoman> prpplague: no, you definitely need lvel translators for mmc and mmc3. both are 1.8V only
[14:58:27] <JD30> branch is dev
[14:58:29] <sakoman> mmc1 is the only channel with internal 1.8/3.3V tranceivers
[14:58:48] <JD30> how would i switch to stable??
[14:58:56] <recalcati> read the link
[14:59:03] <JD30> 10-4
[14:59:28] <sakoman> if you go with no level translators, then only 1.8V cards will work and you should remove the 1.8v/3.3v supplu jumper
[14:59:39] <JD30> heres the log
[14:59:43] <JD30> log.do_rootfs.30468: + rm -rf /home/jld/oebase/tmp/rootfs + mkdir -p /home/jld/oebase/tmp/rootfs + mkdir -p /home/jld/oebase/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/beagleboard + '[' 0 '!=' 1 ']' + for devtable in /home/jld/oebase/openembedded/files/device_table-minimal.txt + makedevs -r /home/jld/oebase/tmp/rootfs -D /home/jld/oebase/openembedded/files/device_table-minimal.
[15:00:11] <JD30> oh drat i'm length limited here
[15:00:39] <recalcati> yes, this is the reason because I told you to use PasteBin
[15:00:58] <recalcati> about 5mm here below
[15:01:29] <JD30> lol - sry
[15:02:09] <JD30> http://widget.mibbit.com/pb/taRocv
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[15:03:30] <recalcati> it doesn't finish, where is the error ?
[15:04:11] <JD30> looks like it fails opening a tarball
[15:04:24] <recalcati> yes, I was looking
[15:04:43] <recalcati> I'll paste one of mine rootfd log
[15:04:48] <recalcati> I'll paste one of mine rootfs log
[15:04:57] <JD30> ok
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[15:07:19] <recalcati> I'm bitbake console-image in stable branch
[15:07:37] <JD30> i will switch to stable and try
[15:07:59] <JD30> btw: do you know how to enable build with PM support?
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[15:09:14] <recalcati> NOTE: package console-image-1.0-r0: task do_rootfs: started
[15:09:18] <recalcati> arriving
[15:09:55] <recalcati> bitbake linux-omap-pm
[15:10:16] <JD30> great thx
[15:10:33] <recalcati> console-image works in commit 31c5753ea1a29750060a002b867362354ae42669
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[15:11:21] <JD30> ok thx recalcati - will give it a try
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[15:12:56] <recalcati> see my logs http://widget.mibbit.com/up/Coi37Lei.32564
[15:13:05] <recalcati> bye
[15:13:10] <recalcati> I'm leaving
[15:13:32] <JD30> ok thanks
[15:13:35] <JD30> git checkout origin/stable/2009 -b stable/2009 warning: refname 'origin/stable/2009' is ambiguous. fatal: Ambiguous object name: 'origin/stable/2009'.
[15:13:56] <JD30> I cant switch to stable per the instructions btw
[15:14:42] <koen> your git seems to be outdated
[15:15:09] <JD30> v1.5.4.3
[15:15:21] <JD30> should be????
[15:15:31] <recalcati> I have git version 1.5.6.3
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[15:15:47] <recalcati> and it works
[15:16:03] <JD30> k - will look for update
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[15:40:29] <davet> I am trying to clone the sd card that is running my beagleboard, do you have any suggestions on programs to do that?
[15:41:17] <florian> davet: dd
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[15:42:07] <davet> dd?
[15:42:48] <davet> oh ok, i got it
[15:43:39] <vsr> i am using open embedded to build gstreamer-ti , i have installed the binaries as mention in a document. i get the error: /db/toolsrc/library/vendors2005/ti/c6x/6.0.16/Linux cannot be found. Ensure that rootDir for the C64P target is set correctly. has anyone encountered this before?
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[16:01:03] <prpplague> sakoman: ahh yea, that was what i was looking for in the datasheet
[16:03:41] <sakoman> prpplague: too bad all three mmc channels aren't like mmc1 :-(
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[16:04:10] <sakoman> just about to test a build with the rtc support
[16:04:41] <prpplague> sakoman: indeed
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[16:05:16] <prpplague> sakoman: don't suppose you've given rusty an update yet?
[16:06:48] <sakoman> yes, last night
[16:07:43] <prpplague> sakoman: okie dokie, thanks for the info, i appreciate you working on this
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[16:27:35] <sakoman> prpplague:
[16:27:36] <sakoman> rtc-ds1307 2-0068: SET TIME!
[16:27:38] <sakoman> rtc-ds1307 2-0068: rtc core: registered ds1307 as rtc0
[16:27:39] <sakoman> rtc-ds1307 2-0068: 56 bytes nvram
[16:27:53] <prpplague> sakoman: lovely!
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[16:35:51] <prpplague> sakoman: you have to do much work? or just platform data?
[16:39:09] <sakoman> prpplague: its fairly simple stuff. most of the pain is in pinmux
[16:39:35] <sakoman> I'll create a tincan branch on my u-boot and linux repos sometime soon
[16:39:59] <prpplague> sakoman: dandy, i figured as much
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[16:43:29] <ds2> prpplague: pong
[16:43:54] <prpplague> ds2: hey couple of questions
[16:43:57] <ds2> STOP THIS U-BOOT MADNESS
[16:44:01] <ds2> prpplague: shoot away
[16:44:04] <prpplague> ds2: you get get intouch with rusty?
[16:44:17] <sakoman> prpplague: the ethernet stuff will be much more work :-(
[16:44:22] <ds2> prpplague: didn't get a chance it... Apr 15 activities :(
[16:44:48] <prpplague> ds2: np
[16:44:51] <prpplague> sakoman: yea
[16:45:21] <ds2> sakoman: we really need to fix kernel pinmux instead of having 234141231442314342314890423942390417594352436520 different U-boots
[16:45:30] <prpplague> ds2: other question, where did you find those right angle .1" female headers you used on your beagle board addon?
[16:45:41] <ds2> prpplague: digikey
[16:45:52] <ds2> let me see if I can find the P/N
[16:45:53] <prpplague> ds2: i've search up and down and can't seem to find them
[16:46:07] <prpplague> sakoman: what is your impression of the board so far?
[16:46:45] <ds2> S5567-ND
[16:46:48] <ds2> for the female
[16:46:56] <ds2> the male was just some surplus part I had a pile of
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[16:48:06] <prpplague> ds2: yea it was the female part that i had trouble finding (yea yea go ahead with the jokes)
[16:48:14] <koen> jkridner|work: good morning!
[16:48:16] <sakoman> prpplague: nice, but big! I've gotten used to the tiny gumstix stuff ;-)
[16:48:33] <prpplague> sakoman: hehe
[16:48:55] <prpplague> sakoman: tried to keep it cheap
[16:49:09] <AV500> jkridner|work: you need to put more warnings on BB, not only about voltage: http://imagebin.org/45452
[16:49:12] <ds2> you really don't need a PCB for the expansion port
[16:49:21] <ds2> that is the nice thing about 0.1 spaced headers
[16:49:31] <prpplague> ds2: jeeze they only have 6 in stock
[16:49:41] <ds2> WTF oh crap
[16:49:49] <sakoman> ds2: personally I only provide a single u-boot for each machine
[16:49:56] <ds2> I am going to ned more
[16:50:03] <koen> AV500: WTF?
[16:50:08] <ds2> sakoman: that will add up
[16:50:19] <koen> AV500: I thought you guys had ritter sport for that in .de
[16:50:31] <AV500> obviously not :-)
[16:50:35] <sakoman> ds2: huh? how does one for overo and one for beagle add up?
[16:50:38] <AV500> you know, recession hits us bad!
[16:50:54] <sakoman> ds2: I can't help what others do
[16:51:18] <ds2> sakoman: wait, are you not considering expansion boards to be another machine?
[16:51:24] <mru> AV500: you missed the "do not eat" sticker?
[16:51:55] <sakoman> nope, one u-boot for overo, one for beagle. should work with all expansion boards
[16:52:05] <AV500> yes, also "do not microwave with your cat"
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[16:52:08] <ds2> cuz there are 2 ways to handle an expansion port in the kernel.. one way is to patch board-omap3beagle... the other is to add another board file
[16:52:21] <AV500> but I like the crunchy bits
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[16:52:46] <ds2> I can safely say, there cannot be any U-boot that will fully work with my expansion board w/o Kernel pinmux support
[16:53:31] <sakoman> ds2: I am certainly not arguing that kernel pinmux doesn't need to be fixed!
[16:53:50] <sakoman> I think you should get right on it!
[16:53:54] <sakoman> :-)
[16:54:00] <ds2> sakoman: okay... and I'll be sending diffs for the stuff you helped me with a few weeks back
[16:54:03] <sakoman> All of us will that you :-)
[16:54:12] <ds2> it is on the list
[16:54:15] <sakoman> s/that/thank/
[16:54:20] <ds2> but uncle sam gets priority
[16:54:48] <sakoman> ds2: I've already integrated the uart2 rev b vs rev c stuff
[16:54:48] <ds2> the next in the queue is sac appeasement
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[16:55:05] <sakoman> sac appeasement??
[16:55:10] <ds2> sakoman: thought there were more
[16:55:22] <ds2> yeah, the folks down on the river from the bay
[16:55:34] <ds2> guess up the river is more accurate
[16:55:48] <sakoman> ah, FTB
[16:55:56] <ds2> yeah, those folks
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[16:58:03] <recalcati> and it works
[16:58:25] <recalcati> sorry, I write a wrong message
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[16:59:36] <sakoman> ds2: the real pain is for those of us with rev C1 boards - there is no way that u-boot can figure out how to set pinmux properly :-(
[17:00:17] <recalcati> I was trying to understand which was the easiest way to add 600Mhz cpu speed to 2.6.28-r25, so I switched to pm 2.6.28. but I started to have problem with LCD, as described in oe devel ml. Any idea?
[17:00:18] <ds2> sakoman: now if kernel u-boot is working.. you can key it off the UART
[17:00:59] <ds2> hookup a bt module to it; select RevB UART mode... attempt to talk to it;on timeout, kill off hciattach,change config to RevC, and repeat
[17:01:44] <sakoman> heh, I meant no general way. obviously adding extra hw will let you do it!
[17:03:35] <ds2> yeah
[17:03:54] <ds2> prehaps U-boot can pass a tag up? then just have the own flash in the right u-boot
[17:07:00] <ds2> nevermind the tag thing
[17:07:49] <prpplague> doesn't the uImage header have some room for some sort of mux config data?
[17:08:24] <ds2> not AFAIK
[17:08:39] <ds2> you don't want it to be static
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[17:08:58] <ds2> I have a board that requires different pinmux setting depending on what needs to happen
[17:09:44] <prpplague> ds2: different settings prior to startup of the kernel?
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[17:10:51] <koen> sakoman: there's a big discussion in linux-davinci-open-source about pinmux and conflicts
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[17:11:21] <ds2> prpplague: no, while running
[17:11:26] <koen> sakoman: apparently the da830 evm can have different daughterboards with mux conflicts (e.g. ide and NOR are mutually exclusive, but can be attached at the same time)
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[17:12:01] <prpplague> holy freakin cow, it's russ !
[17:12:01] <ds2> koen: so a run time switch between them should... unless the /CS's are really conflicting
[17:12:09] <prpplague> russ: long time no see
[17:12:48] <koen> ds2: your coworker of the month sergei thinks we should patch all drivers with board specific hacks
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[17:13:10] <moldy> hi
[17:13:58] <moldy> i cannot find any stuff from my kmail imap account in beagle/kerry -- any hints on how to debug this? this used to work, i don't know what trigggered it to stop functioning
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[17:14:47] <koen> moldy: check the topic :)
[17:16:06] <moldy> koen: ah, sorry
[17:16:23] <moldy> this used to be the searchtool channel :)
[17:17:51] <djbclark> Anyone here have a pre-ga always innovating "touch pad" system by any chance? Looking for info on what chipsets it uses for wifi and graphics (and read somewhere it's vaguely simular to BeagleBoard).
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[17:18:25] <prpplague> ds2: looks like sullins is the only one that markets that right angle female header
[17:18:37] <koen> moldy: that's at irc.gimp.org :)
[17:19:10] <ds2> koen: hahahahah
[17:19:11] <djbclark> (working on http://groups.fsf.org/index.php?title=Freest_hardware_comparisons :)
[17:19:20] <koen> djbclark: omap3 for graphics and for wifi you plug in your own usb dongle
[17:19:32] <ds2> prpplague: really? I see them all the time before..how odd
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[17:19:44] <sakoman> koen: the whole pinmux thing is a real nightmare for anything with expansion, since you never know what people are going to want to do
[17:19:46] <prpplague> ds2: i had tried to find some before for another project
[17:20:03] <djbclark> koen: Yeah for BeagleBoard doc is fabulous; I thought peole here might also know about http://www.alwaysinnovating.com however.
[17:20:12] <sakoman> koen: I've just started work on a command line app to dump/modify pinmux
[17:20:18] <koen> sakoman: I know the problems with it, but I don't think patches ide-disk.c with #ifdef or crazy runtime checks it the answer
[17:20:19] <ds2> prpplague: I guess I got lucky.. I decided I wanted some, and Digikey just told me the P/N
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[17:20:32] <sakoman> koen: of course not!
[17:20:40] <ds2> sakoman: export it over sysfs
[17:20:51] <koen> djbclark: the touchbook is basically a beagleboard with an integrated usb hub
[17:21:05] <ds2> you can build the touchbook yourself
[17:21:09] <koen> djbclark: if you look at the pcb you'll see the beagle heritage :)
[17:21:22] <ds2> use a stock BB board and one of those small hubs folks are using with the eeePC mods
[17:21:26] <djbclark> koen: oh so any "built-in wifi" is actually just on their internal replacable USB bus? Hmm I swore it had more RAM than beagleboard...
[17:21:40] <ds2> there is nothing "hard" about stuffing a BB into a 7" LCD size case
[17:21:41] <sakoman> ds2: I don't want to fight the kernel crowd about the "proper" way to do that for all known and future architectures
[17:22:15] <koen> djbclark: architecture is not 'armel', it's armv7a or cortex-a8
[17:22:18] <prpplague> ds2: digikey has plenty of the S5568 which is the 30 pin, you can just snip off the last row
[17:22:19] <sakoman> I just want a simple tool to use when bringing up new hw
[17:22:30] <ds2> sakoman: oh... so much for convincing you to be the LKML proxy ;)
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[17:22:56] <sakoman> ds2: :-)
[17:22:57] <ds2> prpplague: yeah, 28pins is weird... none are available as surplus but the female side doesn't lend itself well to snipping
[17:23:04] <djbclark> koen: I'm using debianisms... arm little-endian... are armv7a and cortex-a8 not in the class of little-endian arm systems?
[17:23:13] <koen> sakoman: AIUI you are the simple tool for bringing up new HW to gumstix :)
[17:23:23] <ds2> <-- proud to not be on LKML since it moved to kernel.org
[17:23:37] <koen> djbclark: you can run it big endian if you want, the arm core isn't fuzzy about it
[17:23:44] <sakoman> koen: heh, sad but true
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[17:24:28] <prpplague> ds2: they have the TIN ones in stock
[17:24:33] <prpplague> ds2: S5527
[17:25:05] <mru> koen, djbclark: armv7 doesn't support full big endian mode
[17:25:16] <mru> instructions are always fetched as little endian
[17:25:27] <prpplague> ds2: sorry thats S5528
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[17:26:16] <recalcati> Important question: the full browser which will be in armv7? a slim firefox or a qt/gtk based on webkit? by now the best is firefox, but is too slow. Nokia is developing a real browser?
[17:27:51] <ds2> prpplague: tin/gold should be safe since gold isn't galvanicly active
[17:27:54] <djbclark> Am I correct in thinking the BeagleBoard doesn't need any binary blobs to function? I've done some web searching and so far haven't found anything.
[17:28:51] <recalcati> I think armv7 will have success when a full browser with plugins will work, not before
[17:29:03] <jkridner|work> djbclark: there are binary blobs for the 3D graphics user space.
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[17:29:52] <JD30> Trying to build stable/2009 for beagle. Is the content of /openembedded/recipes/sato-icon-theme/sato-icon-theme.inc correct? Should this file require itself?
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[17:31:02] <koen> recalcati: nokia has done browsers with webkit and mozilla in the past
[17:31:14] <djbclark> jkridner|work: but you can use 2D graphics without those blobs?
[17:31:21] <koen> recalcati: but people are betting on webkit (iphone and android are using webkit as well)
[17:32:16] <ds2> recalcati: there is always the access browser
[17:32:36] <ds2> works better then webkit/mozilla crap on a small device
[17:32:55] <prpplague> ds2: guess you could do it verticaly and just use a premade idc cable
[17:33:24] <ds2> prpplague: I worry about the capacitive loading with that... you could do a vertical stack like I did with my first board
[17:33:37] <ds2> the only reason I went rt-ang is because of Z issues
[17:33:59] <prpplague> ds2: yea i figured as much
[17:34:32] <recalcati> ds2: are you sure? we are searching small lcd, but normal lcd
[17:35:00] <ds2> recalcati: yep. I worked with the Access browser before and it is nice for small screen stuff
[17:35:01] <prpplague> recalcati: normal is relative
[17:35:09] <jkridner|work> djbclark: yeah, no need to use the 3D graphics accelerator for 2D graphics.
[17:35:14] <ds2> the rescaling/rewriting works pretty well
[17:35:25] <JD30> Can anyone advise me on a problem building stable/2009?
[17:35:32] <JD30> http://widget.mibbit.com/pb/MYfvuT
[17:35:33] <ds2> (compare to the crap that Nokia has on the N800)
[17:35:43] <prpplague> ds2: not heard of Access before, got a url?
[17:35:56] <recalcati> notebook
[17:36:12] <recalcati> a normal notebook with a mouse, nothing special
[17:36:21] <ds2> prpplague: http://www.access-company.com/
[17:36:28] <ds2> great folks, IMO
[17:36:40] <djbclark> jkridner|work: Thanks... I'm going to go place my order now :) ... seems to be the only thing that's easily available in the US where all the functions you need wotk without binary blobs (including boot firmware - it's u-boot, right?)
[17:36:46] <prpplague> ds2: thanks
[17:37:33] <recalcati> everybody told me that iphone and other (I don't know android) phones browser don't have a real browser. also flash plugin is not full
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[17:37:44] <koen> JD30: try http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2009-April/009832.html
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[17:37:54] <jkridner|work> djbclark: yeah, it is u-boot. ROM source isn't open. There is a loader between the ROM and u-boot called x-loader, but it is based on u-boot and is open.
[17:38:35] <ds2> flash and mobile devices are a bad combo
[17:38:35] <JD30> Thanks Koen
[17:38:39] <recalcati> I'd like this. I'm trying to understand when adobe will give us a full flash 10 and when a full browser will work on 600Mhz.
[17:38:47] <ds2> flash is a good way to drain your batteries rapidly
[17:39:10] <recalcati> ds2: I know, it is not my idea, it is what is required
[17:39:19] <ds2> any mobile device needs to have flash blocked unless explicitly requested by the user
[17:39:20] <djbclark> jkridner|work: Is the ROM flashable from software?
[17:39:58] <recalcati> I'm sorry, but plugins are really important
[17:39:58] <jkridner|work> no, the ROM is really ROM, in the chip.
[17:40:01] <ds2> recalcati: yes, but I am speaking from my experiences of having flash on the N800... now i have disabled
[17:40:10] <djbclark> jkridner|work: yay :)
[17:40:15] <jkridner|work> boots from serial, USB, flash, SD, so you cannot brick it.
[17:40:17] <recalcati> ds2: ok, now I understand
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[17:40:48] <ds2> djbclark: sure it is flashable.... got a $5M laser etcher and lots of nasty chemicals? the laser etcher is sw controlled and I am sure you can get some things flashing :D
[17:41:22] <ds2> recalcati: more then once, I bring up a website at a restruant... food comes, I put the device away... a few hours later... battery is dead
[17:42:24] <recalcati> I'm talking about the link in the news about Linux that will overtake Windows on notebook.
[17:42:41] <recalcati> w/o a full flash it can't be true
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[17:43:36] <ds2> and I am saying full flash is unacceptable on a mobile device.
[17:43:52] <ds2> just as a full blown arc welder is unacceptable on a mobile device
[17:44:07] <recalcati> notebook is not mobile. I now is better an armv7 based pc, but people ask me a full browser with all plugins
[17:44:16] * koen would like to have an arc welder in a mobile device
[17:44:31] <ds2> I donno about you, but I use my notebook as a mobile device
[17:44:35] <ds2> and I value battery life
[17:45:16] <ds2> even on a desktop, flash is stupid... people want to be green and save energy? chuck flash
[17:45:17] <koen> ds2: with 'plugins' people probably mean 'adblock' and 'flashblock' :)
[17:45:42] <recalcati> ds2: I have this kind of request. The user wants this. If I'm not able to give it to him, he will be back to an Atom based notebook
[17:45:56] <ds2> koen: those barely work... heurstics used in adblock are not that effective
[17:46:22] <ZeZu> whats unacceptable to you, is a requisite for others
[17:46:27] <ds2> recalcati: the atom based notebook is a waste of good energy... exact same problems apply
[17:47:12] <ZeZu> and adblock works very well compared to many other offerings, and extremely well compared to "nothing"
[17:47:18] <ds2> along the same lines but abuse less is javascript
[17:47:37] <recalcati> I'm sorry. But the problem still remains. I have to think omap3 as a notebook cpu or as a mobile cpu ?
[17:47:45] <ds2> compared to nothing, it is okay... compared to the built in sstuff, it is moderately better...
[17:48:27] <ZeZu> better include java in there too
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[17:48:37] <ZeZu> any anything else on client side
[17:48:41] <recalcati> yes, java
[17:48:49] <ZeZu> and go pure xhtml on php
[17:48:52] <ds2> the battle for low power can be taken up on multiple fronts... one of which is software needs to not spin the CPU w/o the user's knowledge
[17:49:11] <ds2> flash just does exactly that
[17:49:14] <ZeZu> one button, [click here to drain battery]
[17:49:16] <koen> not wake 10 times per second
[17:49:20] <ds2> ZeZu: that is exactly what I do
[17:49:35] <ds2> koen: it is only 10? I have seen it peg the CPU so wakes are irrelevant
[17:49:45] <koen> ds2: I was thinking about python
[17:50:19] <ds2> ah the other beast
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[17:51:10] <ZeZu> ds2, well most people are not like you, and some of them are making websites with dreamweaver still :)
[17:51:23] <ZeZu> most of them are not geared towards any mobile products
[17:51:28] <ZeZu> and dont really care to be sure
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[17:51:51] <ZeZu> Thus people look for lower power devices, bigger batteries and generally another solution
[17:52:06] <ZeZu> so just saying ... well dont do it ... wont work for consumers
[17:52:23] <ZeZu> its a tail chasing exercise for sure
[17:52:24] <ds2> people are outstripping the power density of batteries faster then they can increase t
[17:52:38] <koen> ds2: http://bethesignal.org/blog/2006/09/02/rfte-python/
[17:53:03] <ZeZu> yep, which is the major reason people are moving towards low power devices
[17:53:05] <ds2> ZeZu: then stop the crap about being green and stuff
[17:53:31] <ZeZu> whos crap are we talking about in particular? websites being green is new to me :)
[17:53:38] <ds2> if you use a PC that guzzles energy, you ain't green regardles of how much crap you recycle
[17:53:52] <ZeZu> green pcs
[17:53:53] <ds2> not the website, people choosing to go there
[17:53:57] <ZeZu> ah
[17:53:59] <ZeZu> well
[17:54:08] <ds2> if no one goes to a website, it doesn't matter ;)
[17:54:13] <ZeZu> half of the "green tech" thing is BS anyhow
[17:54:15] * mru needs to finish building this new i7 pc so he can place the boxes in the recycling bin
[17:54:20] <ZeZu> I'd love to go green
[17:54:24] <ZeZu> what that means for me though
[17:54:31] <ZeZu> is a lot of solar panels
[17:54:33] <ds2> all this green crap is a load of BS..let's go recycleable... let's jack up the prices... etc
[17:54:38] <ZeZu> which is way out of budget for me
[17:54:56] <ds2> ZeZu: I live near the Green BS capitol - aka SF
[17:55:25] <ZeZu> when i build a house and use geothermal heating, and i'm only connected to the grid for emergencies, and replace everything with serious low power alternatives ....
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[17:55:38] <ds2> anyways
[17:55:49] <ZeZu> then maybe ;)
[17:55:55] <ds2> need to stuff besides exponding on utopia :D
[17:56:11] <recalcati> so, anybody will give a roadmap about armv7 ? notebook or mobile ?
[17:56:29] <ZeZu> recalcati, general purpose ...
[17:56:41] <recalcati> ZeZu: mmmmm
[17:56:55] <ZeZu> and as such you can use it for whatever
[17:57:13] <ZeZu> there are more suitable options for a mobile with even less power consumption, but also less features
[17:57:46] <ZeZu> but it could be easily used in a handheld game console (but i would not recommend atm), set top box, netbook, etc
[17:58:05] <recalcati> The problem is that with so much power people imagine that can use it as a notebook or a set top box.
[17:58:17] <recalcati> But this means having a full browser and so on
[17:58:54] <recalcati> With normal arm9 we haven't that problem
[17:58:59] <ZeZu> There is no problem there either, other than the fact that things like flash are proprietary, and things like firefox guzzle memory
[17:59:01] <recalcati> I haven't
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[17:59:24] <koen> I think it's mostly marketing
[17:59:37] <koen> I was running a full desktop on 200MHz strongarms years ago
[18:00:03] <koen> but at that time ubuntu didn't announce arm support (ubuntu didn't exist back then either)
[18:00:08] <ZeZu> well the desktop environment used to be a lot lighter, and you can still make it so
[18:00:09] <recalcati> Maybe we have only to wait. In one year we will have a full working browser webkit based
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[18:00:35] <ZeZu> but stock ubuntu isn't going to be a hot choice on arm
[18:00:41] <koen> recalcati: you're saying safari, iphone-safari and android-browser aren't fully functional?
[18:00:45] <ZeZu> i think even xubuntu may be a bit heavy :)
[18:01:25] <koen> ZeZu: you're preaching to the converted :)
[18:01:42] <recalcati> koen: I can't rn safari on amrv7, I think is not opensource. android browser is possible, but I haven't tried.
[18:01:49] <ZeZu> well its for others benefit mostly
[18:01:50] <djbclark> Re: flash gnash's developer is quite interested in netbook-type devices, and already has a bunch of optimizations for them.
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[18:02:40] <djbclark> (Recently got him working with lemote for thier mips-architecture netbook, the yeeloong)
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[18:03:09] <koen> djbclark: it would help if the gnash development wasn't following the million monkeys with typewriters approach
[18:03:23] <koen> gnash is the "you get what you payed for" type of thing
[18:03:37] <AV500> isnt all open source?
[18:03:46] <recalcati> AV500: safari ?
[18:03:49] <AV500> and closed source :-)
[18:04:30] <djbclark> koen: I'm not sure what that means, and I also don't follow the dev closely, but I do know that at this point most of the work is being done by Rob himself, and also I think he's close to some new release that supports more recent flash.
[18:04:56] <AV500> recalcati: it all boils down to the same, if you want to support the "full" internet, you need a fast CPU, because there is an awful lot of flash out there
[18:05:02] * koen met Rob a few years ago
[18:05:07] <AV500> and flash itself is a CPU hog
[18:05:23] * mru met the flash source code once
[18:05:27] <AV500> so, on mobile devices, webkit is fine if you dont add flash, see iphone or G1
[18:05:30] <koen> AV500: if !x86 ; then busywait(1)
[18:05:32] * mru now understands why flash is the way it is
[18:05:46] <AV500> koen: no, if(1); then busywait
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[18:06:20] <AV500> we tried once to find a place in flash that would handle more than one pixel at a time to optimize it, we failed to find it
[18:06:24] <koen> my core2duo seems to be struggling with recent flash stuff
[18:06:35] <koen> and I'm using adobe's flash plugin
[18:06:43] <AV500> koen: yes, the "web" moves faster than the CPU it runs on
[18:07:03] <AV500> web used to be static HTML, no it is a pipe to download and run SW on your PC
[18:07:09] <AV500> web used to be static HTML, now it is a pipe to download and run SW on your PC
[18:07:17] <koen> I'm warming up to javascript these days, since that is the only thing that seems be be getting faster and faster
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[18:08:11] <recalcati> I was looking at midori. For example it is webkit 1.1.4 based, but it doesn't understand that in an html page is present a video and so it doesn't try to launch a plugin
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[18:08:40] <AV500> take e.g. our 605 device, when we released it, it played web and most flash just fine, one year later it struggles with most flash heavy sites
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[18:09:37] <recalcati> instead the other, qt demo browser, is demo, and I don't know if is coming better
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[18:11:28] <AV500> recalcati: what is meamo using?
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[18:11:32] <AV500> recalcati: what is maemo using?
[18:11:47] <recalcati> AV500: maemo. I think fennec
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[18:12:13] <recalcati> or perhaps microb, or similar
[18:12:28] <AV500> recalcati: I doubt that, nokia is using webkit for series 60
[18:12:39] <lcuk> microb in the current one
[18:12:48] <lcuk> fennec is slated for the next i believe
[18:13:09] <recalcati> yes microb
[18:13:20] <lcuk> but we heard tell of nokia wanting an community (webkit) browser
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[18:13:41] <lcuk> i say webkit cos thats what most community offerings have been
[18:13:55] <recalcati> lcuk: but yahoo and gmail sites work in full (not html based) version
[18:14:04] <recalcati> lcuk: but yahoo and gmail sites work in full (not html based) version ?
[18:14:12] <lcuk> i dunno, i dont browse on my nit i assume so
[18:14:14] <lcuk> why the mirror?
[18:14:18] <lcuk> ahh
[18:14:21] <lcuk> spot the difference
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[18:14:58] <recalcati> lcuk: what you think about Nokia better browser ? microb ?
[18:15:04] <recalcati> qt based?
[18:15:40] <lcuk> i personally want neither, just something that can display and work on pages as quickly as my liqbase makes it go
[18:15:44] <lcuk> anytihng else feels slow
[18:15:52] <lcuk> (not the web )
[18:15:58] <lcuk> yet
[18:16:20] <lcuk> ill add context: i would love a browser within liqbase - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY
[18:16:36] <ZeZu> Qt i like but seems a bit heavy to be using for a netbook
[18:16:49] <ZeZu> damn sdk was taking up 10gb
[18:16:54] <lcuk> qt would be better if i could get closer to the core and redo its internals
[18:17:04] <koen> ZeZu: you can make qt pretty small & fast
[18:17:04] <recalcati> but, if someone want to project a notebook with armv7 he will put more Mhz , more plugins and so on
[18:17:10] <lcuk> its not hard to make c++ fast, its just the number of layers everything goes through
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[18:17:38] <ZeZu> koen, embedded qt or the full flavour (or is it really the same?)
[18:17:48] <lcuk> qt renders natively at 32bit right to its core and every layer inbetween needs serious modifications to get trippy speeds
[18:18:06] <koen> ZeZu: both
[18:18:46] <lcuk> heh koen cake and eat it too :D
[18:19:42] <koen> I'm not a big fan of QT, but they seem to get a lot of things right when designing and optimizing things
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[18:21:10] <lcuk> its great for dev across similar platforms - lin/win/mac - its promise of same apps in multiplaces works well. however you cant take the same program and use it on handheld anyway - you have to rewrite/refactor anyway
[18:21:12] <spinl0ck> hi all
[18:21:25] <spinl0ck> who here has interfaced external hardware to the bboard?
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[18:21:58] <lcuk> koen, momentum may gain even more but its a different language than lots are still used to
[18:22:14] <koen> right
[18:22:44] <koen> that's the big plus of gtk+, it's C so making bindings for language-du-jour is dead easy
[18:22:55] <lcuk> yeah
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[18:23:05] <koen> the downside is that gtk+ is practically unmaintained these days
[18:23:06] <lcuk> mind you, i saw some pyqt lib the other day
[18:23:08] <lcuk> which might help
[18:23:09] <aperez> re
[18:23:10] <lcuk> yeah
[18:23:24] <uberfry> koen: are you the one who's helping port linux to hx2000?
[18:23:40] <koen> uberfry: no, that was the h2200
[18:23:50] <uberfry> yeah that's what I meant, sorry
[18:23:50] * koen isn't a coder
[18:23:51] <lcuk> koen, gtk might be unmaintained but on the whole its stable and reliable
[18:24:33] <uberfry> koen: have you interfaced any external hardware to the beagleboard?
[18:24:35] <koen> lcuk: I like how they are integrating things like glade and libsexy into gtk+ proper
[18:24:35] <aperez> unfortunately, that still makes it GTK
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[18:25:10] <koen> uberfry: not yet, an expansion board is in the mail
[18:26:35] <uberfry> ah I see
[18:26:39] <uberfry> what do you use?
[18:27:19] <uberfry> gpio? spi? mmc?
[18:27:44] <koen> spi, mmc, i2c
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[18:27:57] <uberfry> how fast can you go with mmc
[18:27:57] <uberfry> ?
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[18:29:44] <AV500> 50mb/s
[18:29:51] <uberfry> 50 megabits?
[18:29:57] <uberfry> hi AV500 :)
[18:30:13] <AV500> 50mhz clock, 8bit mode, you do the math
[18:30:28] <uberfry> wait, there's an 8 bit mode?!
[18:30:45] <AV500> yes
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[18:31:03] <AV500> on MMC3
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[18:31:12] <AV500> dunno if this is pinned out
[18:31:12] <uberfry> so expansion board?
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[18:31:48] <uberfry> I see
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[18:31:52] <uberfry> brb, gonna have another look
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[18:41:49] <uberfry> there is 8 bit mode
[18:41:54] <uberfry> for the sd connector that is...
[18:42:06] <uberfry> they don't describe the expansion port very well
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[18:42:25] <uberfry> oops nvm sorry!
[18:42:28] <recalcati> AV500: Nokia doesn't sell notebook. So its browser will not fit well.
[18:42:41] <AV500> ???
[18:42:59] <recalcati> I was thinking about maemo
[18:43:09] <recalcati> and microb browser
[18:43:31] <AV500> yes, it is not a notebook
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[18:43:51] <AV500> if you want a notebook, use x86, so easy :-)
[18:44:12] <recalcati> AV500: yes, but it cost more
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[18:44:31] <AV500> so?
[18:44:55] <recalcati> I don't know
[18:45:07] <AV500> :-)
[18:45:14] <recalcati> I'll tell I will not do the work
[18:45:38] <AV500> the point is, it is very hard to make todays internet work on an embedded CPU
[18:45:42] <Crofton|work> what's the current version of the OMAP3 TRM, I have spruf98b
[18:46:16] <recalcati> in a couple of year armv7 could be competitive with x86
[18:46:44] <AV500> in a couple of years it will be armv9
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[18:46:54] <AV500> and no, I dont think arm has years left to wait
[18:47:20] <recalcati> cortex a9
[18:47:38] <koen> the a9 should have been released last year
[18:47:46] <AV500> they do not lack the HW, what they lack is SW support
[18:47:49] <koen> to mass market, that is
[18:48:03] <AV500> Intel gives you all the needed tools to optimize for their platform
[18:48:39] <likewise> Intel vs. ARM will be hard competition, to our benefits.
[18:48:46] <AV500> and arm still tries to sell you their compiler instead of making GCC work
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[18:49:13] <koen> AV500: and paying CSL to make compilers that only work in qemu
[18:49:20] <AV500> koen: xactly
[18:50:10] <AV500> and if todays markets ask for web+f??ash, then thats where arm need to spend money, regardless of being just the CPU provider
[18:50:24] <koen> RVCT might be awesome, but it's not what people want
[18:50:32] <AV500> they do realize that today, but toooo slow
[18:51:08] <AV500> with their speed, intel is going to make x86 draw less power and then they are done
[18:51:11] <koen> "hello adobe, here's a patch that makes flash go 10x faster on cortexa8"
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[18:51:55] <hrw> koen: Intel has such teams for their hardware
[18:52:00] <AV500> if( frame_num % 10 ) { skip_frame(); }
[18:52:02] <hrw> those 'hello adobe' ones
[18:52:10] <AV500> hrw: xactly
[18:52:19] <likewise> high-End ARM is already using more power than low-end Intel.
[18:52:26] <AV500> that what I meant with SW support
[18:52:55] <koen> "O hai, plz use IPP and ICC to compile flash, ktnxbye"
[18:53:50] <AV500> well, ICC compiles linux kernel, does arm?
[18:54:13] <koen> AIUI arm has patches in their arm kernel tree for that
[18:54:18] <suihkulokki> flash is insane
[18:54:25] <koen> since catalin and rmk don't get along
[18:55:00] <AV500> koen: patches where? I hope in their compiler code base
[18:55:29] <koen> kernel tree
[18:55:31] <AV500> ICC can work in GCC mode, no?
[18:55:42] * koen never really used icc on linux
[18:55:55] <AV500> why cant ARM? why do I read in ARM docs that their compiler has probs with linux threads
[18:56:11] <recalcati> I've opened an insane debate
[18:56:35] <AV500> recalcati: hey, it's path 8pm here, Im too tired to go home, so just the right thing :-)
[18:57:15] <recalcati> here 20:57
[18:57:17] <AV500> Just checked intel site, for non-comm use I can just download ICC
[18:57:18] <suihkulokki> there is no simple place you could optimize flash to become 10x faster, each flashfile generates completly different profile
[18:57:34] <AV500> suihkulokki: tell me :-)
[18:57:49] <recalcati> sorry for my ignorance: what is ICC ?
[18:57:52] <AV500> we gave up when we realized it is a ray tracer
[18:57:58] <hrw> recalcati: Intel Compiler Collection
[18:57:59] <koen> recalcati: intel c compiler
[18:58:06] <recalcati> ok
[18:58:16] <koen> AV500: ray tracer or ray caster?
[18:58:19] <lcuk> does that run on arm?
[18:58:27] * lcuk gets his coat
[18:58:43] <recalcati> I have used IPP
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[18:58:46] <AV500> koen: whatever, basically it asks for every pixel: "hello, any objects out there that want to contribute?"
[18:58:49] <MrMarv> hi
[18:59:22] <sakoman> koen: I fear that Elvis is in over his head on android
[18:59:34] <suihkulokki> AV500: and the other side is that flash movie developers are not really performance-oriented people :P
[18:59:47] <AV500> suihkulokki: yes, I know
[18:59:50] <suihkulokki> "it runs perfectly on my quadcore macbook"
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[19:00:06] <suihkulokki> "don't make me compromise my artistic vision"
[19:00:09] <AV500> those 2 combined makes flash on an ARM a tough sell
[19:00:11] <koen> sakoman: yes, but it's interesting to see how OE fits into a newbies thought process
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[19:00:46] <sakoman> koen: sadly usually not too well :-(
[19:00:49] <koen> AV500: 16 core cortex-a10 with dedicated jazelle for flash bytecode
[19:00:56] <lcuk> suihkulokki they are just using what they have and expect it to work
[19:01:17] <AV500> koen: just when LARGE phone become fashionable again :-)
[19:01:26] <recalcati> sorry, did you all see the declaration about Texas and Adobe working together for Flash 10 running on Cortex A8 ?
[19:01:28] <suihkulokki> koen: except than movies don't necessarily excersize the flash bytecode much at all
[19:01:40] <AV500> recalcati: yes yes, old news and it moves sooo slooow
[19:01:55] <koen> suihkulokki: that's where the DSP on TI socs comes in handy :)
[19:02:19] <recalcati> I don't think is nice to declare something not working
[19:02:20] <AV500> koen: yes, you decode the frame on the DSP, then you watch flash putpixel it onto the screen :-)
[19:02:40] <koen> AV500: it's scary that arm says "can cortex do that?!?!?" when seeing mru's 720p demo
[19:03:22] <AV500> koen: we looked at the initial ARM projections for the A8, they were certain they could almost decode VGA :-)
[19:03:34] <AV500> so much for how much they know about their HW
[19:03:59] <AV500> where are the ARM optimized multimedia intrinsics?
[19:04:04] <koen> AV500: maybe they could only find slow media players that would build with armcc :)
[19:04:04] <MrMarv> im running openwrt on my Rev B6 Beagle and try to connect USB devices to it but nothing is detected. /proc/bus/usb/devices : http://rafb.net/p/C4yVYM53.html
[19:04:16] <MrMarv> any suggestions what is not correct?
[19:04:17] <AV500> koen: yeah
[19:04:44] <AV500> MrMarv: OTG in host mode?
[19:04:54] <recalcati> So... I go to sleep with the sureness I'll loose the job.
[19:05:14] <AV500> what job?
[19:05:33] <recalcati> omap3 set top box
[19:05:40] <MrMarv> AV500: i dunno how to set... is there a OTG Howto or something?
[19:05:54] <recalcati> a project
[19:05:55] <AV500> MrMarv: do you use the proper cable to force the host mode?
[19:06:09] <AV500> recalcati: set top boxes run with much less than A8
[19:06:31] <recalcati> not with a browser ... ( remember ?)
[19:06:32] <AV500> but u want one that can play the full internet and flash, right :-)
[19:06:46] <recalcati> ok, :s
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[19:06:51] <koen> AV500: appletv and a can of spraypaint :)
[19:06:56] <koen> and some masking tape
[19:07:02] <AV500> recalcati: anyway, internet on your TV has been tried so often, and it failed each time
[19:07:09] <MrMarv> AV500: what is a "proper cable" ? I dunno if my is forcing host mode or whatever
[19:07:20] <AV500> a mini-A to miniB
[19:07:27] <recalcati> AV500: yes. but firefox 3.0.1 works quite well.
[19:07:37] <AV500> koen: paste your standard text blob here now please :-)
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[19:07:53] <recalcati> I have only to move from 500Mhz to 600Mhz and to add plugins
[19:08:02] <recalcati> the only real pb is flash
[19:08:05] <AV500> "only" :-)
[19:08:05] <MrMarv> AV500: i got a Mini A male to normal size usb female
[19:08:09] <koen> to 2GHz and 2GB of ram you mean
[19:08:24] <AV500> MrMarv: that should be OK.
[19:08:27] <koen> firefox isn't that faster with 600MHz
[19:08:30] <recalcati> I'll have 512MB or something like taht
[19:08:41] <koen> ram is still as slow and firefox still renders to 32bits and dithers
[19:08:44] <recalcati> I'll do a slow browsing
[19:09:21] <recalcati> but firefox is complex to be hacked, I hope I'll be able.
[19:09:35] <recalcati> but a full flash doens't exist at all
[19:09:54] <MrMarv> AV500: okay. What about setting OTG ? Is there a howto or something?
[19:11:32] <recalcati> koen: we'll ddr2 in the future, I hope
[19:11:38] <recalcati> koen: we'll have ddr2 in the future, I hope
[19:11:41] <AV500> if your kernel supports it, it should be triggered by the mini-a cable
[19:12:38] <MrMarv> AV500: ah okay, thanks. I will try something... got an idea :)
[19:12:50] <recalcati> thx everybody for browser brain storming. see you tomorrow. good night!
[19:13:01] <uberfry> can someone please link me to the linux source for beagleboard please? I can't seem to find it
[19:13:03] <AV500> recalcati: dream slowly, you are on ARM only!
[19:13:15] <recalcati> ok, ;)
[19:13:16] <koen> uberfry: "the linux source"?
[19:13:31] <uberfry> koen: I need the sd source
[19:13:32] <uberfry> ;)
[19:13:40] <hrw> uberfry: sd source?
[19:13:43] <koen> uberfry: tried kernel.org?
[19:13:46] <uberfry> to read from sd
[19:13:48] <uberfry> no, thanks
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[19:14:05] <koen> or tried looking at beagleboard.org?
[19:14:09] <uberfry> yes
[19:14:13] <uberfry> looking at kernel.org now
[19:14:14] <uberfry> brb
[19:14:15] <koen> and clicked on "resources"?
[19:14:20] <koen> or used the search box?
[19:14:35] * solar thinks he is looking for git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/tmlind/linux-omap-2.6.git
[19:14:36] * koen is always surprised how hard it is to use google
[19:14:47] <AV500> goowhat?
[19:15:00] <bkero> solar: <3
[19:15:10] <solar> hi bkero
[19:15:12] <AV500> uberfry: linux/drivers/mmc/host/omap_hsmmc.c
[19:15:15] <hrw> I think that gods do not like him so took google from him
[19:15:20] <uberfry> koen: cant find
[19:15:22] <uberfry> thanks AV500!
[19:15:32] <AV500> always a pleasure :-)
[19:15:33] <uberfry> oh wait
[19:15:34] <uberfry> lol
[19:15:39] <uberfry> can you send me that one please?
[19:16:01] <uberfry> hrw: it might have somethign to do with my insomnia
[19:16:04] <koen> if you can't find that file yourself, the contents are going to be useless as well
[19:16:04] <uberfry> not sure though
[19:17:09] <uberfry> I'm not really as stupid as I might seem
[19:17:24] <uberfry> these last days have only been a bit hard on me, couldn't sleep at all
[19:19:19] <solar> perhaps try sleeping then looking at your options with a clear fresh mind.
[19:20:17] <uberfry> it's not possible :(
[19:20:28] <uberfry> my parents also don't allow the use of hypnotics
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[19:20:49] <solar> then.. git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/tmlind/linux-omap-2.6.git
[19:21:16] <uberfry> I'm on windows, I suppose this is linux specific
[19:22:02] <solar> yes. Then omap3_beagle_defconfig
[19:22:14] <uberfry> anyway, I found the source omap_hsmmc.c
[19:22:17] <uberfry> thanks though :)
[19:25:51] <AV500> uberfry: max clock is 48mhz
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[19:32:05] <mib_ifcnpx> how does the beagle board compare to the sheevaplug?
[19:33:21] <hrw> mib_ifcnpx: different types of devices
[19:33:56] <mib_ifcnpx> hrw: how do the processors compare in speed?
[19:34:11] <hrw> mib_ifcnpx: I am waiting for sheeva
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[19:35:04] <mib_ifcnpx> hrw: They say the sheeva runs at 1.2 ghz which is twice the clock speed as the beagle board,
[19:35:24] <koen> and cortex is twice as fast per clock compared to arm9
[19:35:24] <hrw> mib_ifcnpx: but sheeva is armv5te not armv7a
[19:36:04] <mib_ifcnpx> so they are close to the same processing speed then?
[19:36:20] <hrw> mib_ifcnpx: they are for different market
[19:37:05] <hrw> mib_ifcnpx: kirkwood (sheeva cpu) is for NAS devices mostly. has usb host, sata, PCIe etc which are not needed in devices which use omap3
[19:38:23] <koen> sheeva also seem sto have faster ram
[19:39:32] <hrw> yep
[19:39:48] <hrw> beagleboard has 120-160MB/s, kirkwood has 209MB/s
[19:40:35] <ali_as> Sheeva has a 10/100 Ethernet MAC. First I've heard of this chip.
[19:40:38] <mib_ifcnpx> beagleboard would be more comparable to the OpenRD-Client correct?
[19:40:39] <koen> kirkwood also doesn't have the framebuffer stealing ram bw
[19:40:58] <hrw> ali_as: not 1GbE?
[19:41:31] <MrBIOS-> ali_as: sheeva is gbe
[19:41:47] <MrBIOS-> no video output though :)
[19:41:57] <mib_ifcnpx> that's why I say the OpenRD-Client
[19:42:14] <ali_as> gbe?
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[19:42:24] <hrw> ali_as: 1000 Ethernet
[19:43:07] <ali_as> Oh, well http://www.marvell.com/files/technologies/Marvell_PXA168_Product_Brief.pdf says not.
[19:43:22] <MrBIOS-> ali_as: that is not the right datasheet
[19:43:27] <ali_as> I imagine there must be a gigE chip in the pipeline though.
[19:43:44] <koen> istr sheeva has gigE
[19:43:50] <ali_as> Aha, which is the right datasheet?
[19:44:13] <mib_ifcnpx> I found a comment on a blog that you can order the sheevaplug directly from Marvell instead of Global Scale
[19:44:35] <MrBIOS-> mib_ifcnpx: or just by the pogoplug, and SSH in as root like I did
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[19:46:13] <mib_ifcnpx> http://www.einfochips.com/marvell/openrd_base.php
[19:46:53] <ali_as> Does say GigE on the sheevaplug.
[19:47:40] <mib_ifcnpx> hrw: isn't the OpenRD-Base comparable?
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[19:51:57] <hrw> mib_ifcnpx: would have to check what it is
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[19:52:43] <koen> russ: any cool new PM stories?
[19:52:51] <hrw> mib_ifcnpx: "The reference design is powered by Marvell?? 88F6281 System on Chip (SoC), which is based on an embedded 1.2 GHz Sheeva??? CPU, equipped with 256 KB L2 cache, 512 MB FLASH and 512 MB DRAM."
[19:53:47] <hrw> mib_ifcnpx: looks interesting
[19:54:43] <ali_as> That is a really cool little kit, nothing like a beagle, no video anything.
[19:55:10] <ali_as> But gigE on a dev kit, that is very cool.
[19:55:40] <hrw> nice.. avr32 has DMA to SD card
[19:58:25] <hrw> koen: you have stk1000 connected somewhere?
[19:59:01] <koen> hrw: it's on my desk, but without power & ethernet atm
[19:59:10] <koen> reconnections is planned for later this week
[19:59:20] <koen> when the omapzoom doesn't need ethernet anymore :)
[19:59:34] <hrw> koen: you need bigger ethernet switch ;D
[20:00:19] <hrw> koen: can you check atngw100 defconfig and adapt it for stk1000?
[20:00:25] <koen> sure
[20:01:06] <koen> stk defconfig is already feature rich :)
[20:01:19] <hrw> djbclark:
[20:01:24] <hrw> :D
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[20:11:39] <djbclark> hrw: re: ? ... I read backlog but didn't see anything obviously applicable to me with my current level of beagleboard knowledge :)
[20:12:09] <hrw> djbclark: my irc client expanded "D:" into "djbclark:"
[20:12:11] <hrw> sorry
[20:12:39] <koen> damn people and their lefthanded emoticons
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[20:15:43] <Crofton|work> http://www.drudgereport.com/flashtx.htm
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[20:16:17] <Crofton|work> does this mean TX is declaring Independence again?
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[20:22:34] <hrw> have a nice rest of day
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[20:24:54] <ds2> Crofton|work: TX always did have a special standing..the are suppose to be special privillages for their rangers?
[20:25:37] * koen discovers that "sync lost" on DSS1 also means ethernet goes bye-bye on omapzoom
[20:25:49] <Crofton|work> I'm not sure of that is true, or Chuck Norris said it
[20:25:52] <ds2> koen: the Zoom broq =)
[20:26:23] <koen> Crofton|work: better check http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/
[20:26:31] <Crofton|work> right :)
[20:27:24] <koen> "There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live."
[20:28:14] * koen needs to remember Chucktatorship for other occasions
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[20:35:11] <ds2> koen: which board would you say is more reliable - Zoom or EVM?
[20:35:56] <koen> evm
[20:36:14] <ds2> any reason you would choose the EVM?
[20:36:17] <koen> even if the evm is treated as the retarded nephew by TI
[20:36:21] <russ> koen: not yet, getting started on another day
[20:36:23] <ds2> or are they so close?
[20:36:45] <koen> ds2: the evm just works better, with less anguish
[20:37:02] <ds2> koen: interesting... my experience has been the opposite
[20:40:07] <koen> I tend to use upstream kernels, which might skew the odds
[20:40:41] <ds2> even for the Zoom? That might explain some frustration... for Zoom/EVM, I mostly dealt with the TI kernels
[20:41:10] <koen> the WTBU kernel is really bad if you want serial or ethernet
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[20:41:40] <ds2> serial worked... ethernet required the right patches or your life gets miserable quickly
[20:41:58] <koen> it's the "power management" that kills it
[20:42:00] <ds2> I think the PM god from TI posted some of the ethernet patches on LO
[20:42:13] <koen> it works "fine" if you touch the screen every 30 seconds
[20:42:32] <ds2> I don't see how the serial would get mangled with PM...PM works on the SDP and the serial port doesn't have enough parts to vary from the SDP
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[20:42:38] <ds2> granted, teh first character will get dropped
[20:42:58] <koen> it goes to sleep and never wakes up
[20:43:00] <ds2> wonder if someone screwed up the wake up config for the serial port
[20:43:08] <koen> or rather, doesn't work when PM kicks in
[20:43:19] <ds2> I think I know the problem for the serial port
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[20:43:34] <ds2> I guess the powers to be never accepted my fix
[20:43:57] <ds2> there is one register that needs to get initialized or it goes in a hardloop either on wakeup or just prior to suspend
[20:44:18] <koen> the wtbu kernel diverged way too much to get anythung usefull out of it
[20:44:27] <ds2> no arguments there
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[21:00:43] <russ> neato
[21:00:59] <russ> the partition on my 4GB kingston MMC card just went away
[21:01:05] <russ> er, partition table
[21:01:15] <Crofton|work> right :)
[21:01:51] <Crofton|work> doh, focus
[21:02:05] <russ> the first 2 blocks are all zeros
[21:02:11] <russ> good thing there was nothing important on there
[21:03:06] <solar> hrmm. I've been seeing the SD/MMC go MIA from time to time as well.
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[21:03:57] <russ> I've always known that that the firmware on such things can't be completely trusted, but I've never seen in actually happen
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[21:04:54] * solar needs to read up how to put a proper image on the nand
[21:05:18] <russ> solar: ubifs
[21:05:38] <solar> I mean as in how to get it on there.
[21:05:46] <russ> it'd be really nice if u-boot read ubifs and the kernel and fs were one large ubi
[21:05:55] <solar> I would of assumed OpenOCD. But I'm told the support is not really there
[21:05:57] <russ> solar: boot to an angstrom mmc card
[21:07:00] <solar> russ: thats the thing. When the SD/MMC goes MIA (about 70% of the time using Kingston 2G SD) The only option at the point is the NAND
[21:07:25] <russ> solar: then make a compressed image on your computer
[21:07:32] <solar> or maybe a tftp image or some such. Kinda one of those fun catch22's
[21:07:33] <russ> solar: then you can rewrite a new mmc card
[21:07:48] <solar> Oh I can write to the SD card fine moving it to another box
[21:08:33] <solar> just the beagle acts sometimes as if I'm almost not even inserting into the slot.
[21:08:46] <russ> solar: weird
[21:08:52] <solar> which sounded like sorta the same problem you had.
[21:09:04] <russ> solar: you try powering off and on?
[21:09:04] <solar> but you are seeing it nuke the partition tables?
[21:09:15] <russ> solar: yes, it happened once
[21:09:33] <russ> solar: I'm using the mmc card to transfer a new kernel to the target
[21:09:43] <russ> I've probably done a hundred or so cycles
[21:10:56] <russ> I've never had a problem with the beagle not seeing the mmc card, except for after a suspend cycle with 2.6.28-omap1 stock
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[21:18:52] <solar> I'll have to check which kver I'm on. Know it's semi default.
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[21:39:48] <XorA> jkridner: morning
[21:40:35] <Crofton|work> XorA, gm
[21:40:43] <Crofton|work> my logic analyzer is working
[21:40:59] <Crofton|work> I can monitor the SPI data line and convert to hex :)
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[21:44:10] <florian> Crofton|work: That's a pretty useful piece of hardware... which one do you have?
[21:44:45] <Crofton|work> http://www.pctestinstruments.com/
[21:44:50] <Crofton|work> I had to google :)
[21:46:01] <florian> Crofton|work: I have the same... the only drawback is the lacking Linux software :)
[21:46:14] <Crofton|work> yeah
[21:46:23] <Crofton|work> this annoys the crap out of moe
[21:46:33] <Crofton|work> but I needed something to work on fpga stuff with
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[21:52:25] <tomasg> anyone using 2.6.29 with omap3evm? I'm looking for support on getting musb and dss2 working. also, i notice that the current x-load is broken so i'm using 1.41
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[21:53:01] <florian> Crofton|work: The only similar piece of software running on Linux I found was some Java software for hombrew logic analyzer
[21:55:05] <fenn> miniLA?
[21:56:20] <Crofton|work> florian, did you ever hear about linuxtag
[21:56:51] <Crofton|work> we are going to Austria on vacation the week of June 28, July 4
[21:57:30] <florian> Crofton|work: no news yet. i guess thaere won't be a decision before the end of the next deadline
[21:58:04] <florian> hrm... I would like to go to Austria for vacations too! :)
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[21:58:06] <Crofton|work> I would be fun to go
[21:58:29] <Crofton|work> and it means I cuold write off airfare as a business expense :)
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[22:02:17] <russ> anyone know any packages that use a lot of memory?
[22:05:29] <lcuk> vista.deb
[22:07:40] <russ> no ipk?
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[22:12:21] <russ> its asking me for some kind of key
[22:12:51] <uberfry> you guys want to have the creepiest internet experience ever?
[22:12:57] <uberfry> a feeling like you've been on drugs?
[22:13:21] <russ> It be a fun story to hear, but I don't know if its a story I want to hear from uberfry
[22:13:30] <uberfry> well here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYJG_-Mk76o
[22:13:34] <uberfry> listen to this, ok?
[22:13:42] <uberfry> I'll paste the pics you need to look at
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[22:13:49] <uberfry> http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2748/38/114/603198505/n603198505_1761866_5811333.jpg
[22:13:56] <uberfry> http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2748/38/114/603198505/n603198505_1761867_1678391.jpg
[22:14:03] <uberfry> http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2748/38/114/603198505/n603198505_1761868_6879974.jpg
[22:14:13] <uberfry> now you tell me: how creepy is that?
[22:15:01] <fenn> uberfry: is that you in the pictures?
[22:15:22] <uberfry> no
[22:15:24] <uberfry> lol
[22:15:32] <uberfry> it's some girl in my facebook
[22:15:36] <fenn> ok. just checking
[22:15:41] <russ> I don't have sound
[22:15:56] <uberfry> I'm an almost 160 pound beast
[22:16:11] <fenn> russ: wobbly noise guitars played by drunken gnomes
[22:16:30] <uberfry> fenn: it's creepy, right?
[22:16:33] <fenn> not really
[22:17:01] <fenn> you could turn the volume up 900% and pretend you're at an indie rock show
[22:17:06] <Crofton|work> any MCSPI gurus about>
[22:17:07] <Crofton|work> ?
[22:17:08] <uberfry> lol
[22:17:23] <uberfry> Crofton|work: let me know when you find one, thanks
[22:17:28] <Crofton|work> I am not certain that listening to this is enriching my life
[22:17:30] <Crofton|work> ok
[22:18:00] <Crofton|work> I am wondering why there are 300 ns between output words
[22:18:52] <emeb> OK - so listening to that 'music' and looking at pictures of some odd woman. Does kinda bend the brain.
[22:19:05] <uberfry> lol
[22:19:13] <uberfry> finally, an effect!
[22:19:25] <emeb> Performance art, right?
[22:19:46] <emeb> Makes me think of Mike Meyers 'Sprockets'
[22:19:57] <uberfry> lol ;D
[22:19:58] <uberfry> http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs022.snc1/3074_85506820338_529850338_2951904_7947481_n.jpg
[22:20:02] <uberfry> here, hard crash!
[22:20:12] <Crofton|work> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Desert_Sessions
[22:20:44] <uberfry> omg, I'm so downloading that
[22:20:57] <uberfry> been youtubing desert sessions but only came up with crap
[22:21:05] <emeb> PJ Harvey! Gotta ask my brother-in-law if he
[22:21:11] <emeb> 's heard of that.
[22:21:33] <emeb> (big fan from way back)
[22:21:54] <emeb> Crofton|work: what's up with McSPI?
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[22:23:00] <Crofton|work> it seems to take 300 ns between output words, regardless of word length
[22:23:39] <emeb> So you're looking at SPI signals and there's a serial burst, 300ns, and another burst?
[22:24:05] <Crofton|work> right
[22:24:33] <emeb> This is all run from either DMA or some buffered source, so there shouldn't be any lag from one to next.
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[22:24:39] <emeb> Not PIO
[22:24:56] <Crofton|work> need to check that
[22:25:05] <Crofton|work> for small xfers I thin it uses PIO :)
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[22:25:20] <Crofton|work> tomorrow's quest
[22:25:27] <emeb> Yeah - if it's PIO you could be looking at software turnaround time.
[22:26:00] <emeb> "Empty bit's set, load new word, start new xfer, etc"
[22:26:14] <Crofton|work> I remember a note in the driver about using PIO for short transfers
[22:26:50] <emeb> Working through the kernel driver is probably going to be a PITA for me. I
[22:27:06] <emeb> I'm used to low-level embedded code that talks to the bare metal.
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[22:32:15] <nx0> ds2: which TI kernel r u using on the evm?
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[22:53:28] <uberfry> going to bed now, wish me luck ppl!
[22:53:30] <uberfry> night
[22:59:33] <ds2> JFFS2 images either via U-boot or /dev/mtd
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[23:15:47] <JD30> Anyone know if the beagleboard DSP bridgedriver is available through openembedded?
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[23:32:22] <ZeZu> 5mins was too long
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[23:43:39] <russ> which GFP flag is it that invokes the oom killer?
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