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IRC Log for 2009-07-23

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[00:46:34] <joe___> hi got a question
[00:47:16] <joe___> how do I get s-video working? I am running Angstrom
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[00:57:10] <djlewis> joe__: that question comes often. Have you searched the forums even a google search?
[00:57:49] <joe___> yes, I am looking at the forums. Somebody provided a patch
[00:58:03] <joe___> I don't know what to do with that although
[00:59:18] <joe___> I guess I will try to learn some more and come back if I have difficulties
[01:02:25] <djlewis> I have not done it.
[01:03:05] <djlewis> I dont know if is is as simple as setting it in u-boot or if the kernel needs tweaking, sorry.
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[01:54:17] <s4wrxttcs2> bah, I hate how people can't come to an agreement on what to call things
[01:54:37] <s4wrxttcs2> in one linux 2.6.30 kernel the usb host base is called HSUSB
[01:54:41] <s4wrxttcs2> and the other is EHCI
[01:55:52] <s4wrxttcs2> okay so one is omap1-linux-2.6.30
[01:56:02] <s4wrxttcs2> and the other is omap3-linux-2.6.30
[01:56:26] <s4wrxttcs2> maybe one day I'll figure out what all these damn things are
[01:59:47] <javaJake> s4wrxttcs2: welcome to the world of open-source :)
[02:00:19] <s4wrxttcs2> everytime I turn around something is renamed
[02:00:25] <javaJake> Or rewritten
[02:00:49] <djlewis> hi javaJake, s4wrxttcs2
[02:00:49] <s4wrxttcs2> or modified a little and re-released under a new name
[02:01:05] <javaJake> djlewis: howdy
[02:01:08] <djlewis> I hear a frustrated s4wrxttcs2
[02:01:21] <s4wrxttcs2> ha, nothing new
[02:01:25] <javaJake> :P
[02:01:38] <s4wrxttcs2> not as badly as I was yesterday
[02:01:53] <ds2> hsusb?
[02:01:55] <djlewis> damn, I just fixed something :)
[02:02:01] <s4wrxttcs2> but there were some between the keyboard and the chair issues going on
[02:02:10] <s4wrxttcs2> some issues ^
[02:02:37] <djlewis> I find loose screws on the kybd all the time ;)
[02:02:40] <s4wrxttcs2> but those were resolved
[02:02:43] <s4wrxttcs2> now I have new issues
[02:04:05] <djlewis> My first baked console image worked fine except it left out a very important thing.
[02:04:19] <ds2> /bin/bash? ;)
[02:04:19] <djlewis> It was set to include it in the config but NOoooooo!
[02:04:42] <djlewis> rt73.bin for my wifi.
[02:05:12] <djlewis> finally sorted it out, baked it and opkg'd it and now wifi :)
[02:05:42] <djlewis> just cause I got more SD's and wanted to test the test bake I did the 9th.
[02:06:09] <djlewis> this drive to know why can be such a time eater....
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[02:56:42] <billenium> Where can i find the weight of the beagleboard?
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[03:02:04] <djlewis> cool, console image on BB leaves 215552 kB free
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[03:25:12] <raster> bing
[03:25:15] <javaJake> .com
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[03:46:44] <raster> muhhahha
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[03:52:46] <ds2> ?
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[04:12:41] <djlewis> good night all...
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[04:30:54] <ds> billenium: mine weighs 36 grams
[04:32:11] <_av500_> billenium: google moon challenge?
[04:32:32] <ds2> moon challenge?
[04:32:39] <billenium> ds*: thanks :)
[04:32:43] <billenium> av500: hmm?
[04:35:53] <_av500_> www.googlelunarxprize.org/
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[04:36:25] <_av500_> coz u asked for the weight :)
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[04:46:49] <ds2> nice
[04:47:06] <billenium> ds2: did you actually weigh yours?
[04:47:24] * ds2 != ds
[04:47:47] <billenium> Hmm
[04:47:50] <billenium> stop being confusing like that then
[04:47:56] <ds2> :P
[04:48:10] <ds> :P
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[04:48:25] <ds> billenium: yes
[04:48:53] <billenium> very nice :)
[04:49:06] <billenium> Does anyone know a place to buy li-ions, li-pos and Nihm batteries?
[04:49:49] <ds2> yes, some one knows a place to buy them
[04:50:03] <billenium> Are you sure?
[04:50:10] <billenium> This has to be 100 percent accurate information...
[04:50:15] <ds2> yes, I am sure someone knows it.
[04:50:32] <billenium> If you are wrong... then it shows how bad you are at trolling.
[04:50:43] <billenium> DAMN!
[04:50:45] <billenium> you're right...
[04:50:48] <billenium> Someone does know.
[04:50:52] <ds2> :D
[04:51:12] <billenium> Now that someone should state in this room where i could get them...
[04:51:37] <ds2> what are you building?
[04:51:59] <billenium> Robot.
[04:52:09] <ds2> what's wrong with lead acid?
[04:52:19] <billenium> Very heavy.
[04:52:27] <billenium> very big.
[04:53:12] <ds2> use less power
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[04:53:39] <billenium> How will that make the SLA battery smaller and lighter?
[04:53:43] <gatotkaca> av500: ping
[04:55:13] <ds2> use less of it
[04:55:28] <billenium> Also SLA batteries always have REALLY high voltages.
[04:55:32] <billenium> like 100v
[04:55:44] <ds2> HUH?!
[04:55:53] <ds2> have you USED them!?
[04:56:42] <billenium> In my car D:
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[04:57:02] <ds2> Your car uses a 100V battery?
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[04:57:12] <billenium> Nope
[04:57:16] <billenium> like 12v i think or something
[04:57:21] <billenium> I'd have to check ;_;
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[04:59:32] <billenium> but like i said, they are still huge...
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[05:25:49] <av500> gatotkaca: pong
[05:28:00] <billenium> av500: your internet connection must be terrible!
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[05:34:01] <rkirti> Can anyone here suggest a "light-weight" image to base a custom-image upon? beagleboard-demo-image is heavily loaded with deps that conflict with my custom packages, and the next best visible one i.e gpe-image doesnt have the right features
[05:37:20] <ds2> they are not huge, you can get cells a bit bigger then a D size battery
[05:39:36] <av500> billenium: it is quite fine
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[05:47:20] <lemay> I was looking at buying a beagle board from digikey
[05:47:33] <lemay> they're sold out ): ... on back order
[05:47:44] <billenium> lemay: i know... it's a drag!
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[05:48:13] <lemay> are there any other vendors?
[05:48:29] <billenium> Probably not
[05:48:34] <billenium> Beagleboards aren't really even mass produced.
[05:48:36] <billenium> IIRC
[05:49:26] <lemay> at the beagle accessory store they offer one for $199
[05:49:39] <lemay> https://specialcomp.com/beagleboard/order.htm
[05:49:58] <lemay> but I am not really sure what's going on there
[05:50:14] <billenium> They probably buy DIRECTLY from digikey
[05:50:24] <billenium> like... When you purchase it from them, they place an order with digikey
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[05:50:32] <billenium> So they are basically just stealing 54 dollars from you :\
[05:50:46] <lemay> those naughty capitalists
[05:51:11] <billenium> They think they deserve 50 bucks for clicking three times.
[05:52:17] <lemay> so there is no ovious solution to the problem of getting lemay a beagleboard?
[05:52:30] <av500> lemay: BBs had a short production stop, but they are now ramping up again. due to this there is a wait queue
[05:52:44] <av500> at digikey, but it should clean up in the next week(s)
[05:53:19] <lemay> hrmph
[05:53:51] <lemay> thanks for the info
[05:54:16] <lemay> do you know if thats documented anywhere else on the web or wiki?
[05:55:23] <av500> bb mailing list
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[05:55:50] <lemay> rgr
[05:56:08] <av500> http://markmail.org/message/fodzbqvtuqqnmlel#query:coley digikey+page:1+mid:545f5zruhq4sabjr+state:results
[05:56:35] <av500> "http://markmail.org/message/fodzbqvtuqqnmlel#query:coley digikey+page:1+mid:545f5zruhq4sabjr+state:results"
[05:57:57] <lemay> thanks :)
[05:58:30] <lemay> those puppies are selling like hot dogs I guess
[05:58:54] <lemay> that was a bit too enthusiastic, huh
[05:58:57] <billenium> I'm a vegan.
[05:59:46] * lemay furiously tries to come up with a dog related vegan pun ... and fails!
[06:00:34] <billenium> "I eat puppies" is very common.
[06:01:28] <billenium> "For every Beagleboard that is bought today... We wont kill 1 of these 500 beagles we just bought!"
[06:01:53] <billenium> "Hopefully all 500 Beagleboards are bought... Or we will have to slaughter some Beagles!"
[06:02:37] <lemay> lol
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[06:05:08] <ds2> the special comp ones have the RTC battery installed, IIRC
[06:05:35] * billenium is confused as to what ds2 is talking about
[06:06:01] <ds2> rev C3 have the capability to have a battery installed for the RTC
[06:06:19] <ds2> digikey sells the battery seperately and it requires careful soldering to install
[06:06:49] <billenium> I thought that was just like...
[06:06:54] <billenium> a 5mAh battery
[06:07:07] <ds2> it is a tiny rechargeable Li cell
[06:07:16] <billenium> that will not power my beagleboard
[06:07:17] <ds2> you can install it yourself if you are careful
[06:07:32] <billenium> for what purpose will i use it?
[06:07:53] <ds2> Okay, I am obviously talking to a brick wall. Nevermind.
[06:09:08] <billenium> D:
[06:09:27] <billenium> You have no patience... I hope you don't work at a job where you have to talk to people.
[06:09:28] <billenium> Or see people.
[06:11:20] <lemay> Yea, I saw the RTC reference ... I am not thinking I need to maintain time, but that's handy to know about
[06:12:09] <lemay> do I need to get a seperate sd card reader/writer to make images for the beagleboard?
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[06:13:51] <ammu> hello
[06:14:08] <billenium> hhey
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[06:14:48] <debdoot> hello
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[06:19:30] <amit_> hi
[06:20:15] <khasim> hello
[06:23:00] <amit_> i tried "md checksum" but that number is not coming
[06:23:38] <khasim> on your Linux machine you should have md5sum
[06:23:59] <khasim> type md5sum uImage.bin
[06:24:17] <khasim> it should return f878ae9e7dbf2696c84f40d614fd9017 uImage.bin
[06:24:42] <amit_> ya i tried this md5sum uImage.bin but it is telling unknown command
[06:24:57] <khasim> your machine doesnt have this
[06:25:01] <debdoot> the md5sum should be present on the local host or on beaglle
[06:25:09] <debdoot> ????
[06:25:15] <khasim> it is on linux host machine
[06:25:35] <debdoot> we r using teraterm on windows for terminal communication
[06:26:15] <khasim> I mean A Linux Machine, not the Windows Machine where you are running Teraterm
[06:26:41] <debdoot> is there a way out on the win system
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[06:27:46] <khasim> what is the size of your uImage.bin
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[06:28:04] <khasim> 2.45 MB (2,578,044 bytes)
[06:28:39] <khasim> can you download the uImage.bin again and try it out. I suspect your uImage is not good.
[06:28:42] <debdoot> its of 190 kb
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[06:29:19] <khasim> if I right click and check properties it is 2.45MB for me.
[06:29:26] <khasim> Try downloading the image again
[06:29:34] <khasim> and let me know
[06:29:39] <Beagle1> hi all
[06:29:44] <khasim> hi
[06:30:04] <debdoot> we have another one of 1.77 mb
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[06:30:19] <Beagle1> I am working with 2.6.29 kernel and I am facing problem with Audio
[06:30:30] <Beagle1> anyone has idea regarding this ?
[06:30:53] <debdoot> @khasim - can u send u r uImage.bin file to me
[06:31:15] <debdoot> or send the linlk
[06:31:33] <debdoot> we got ours from beagle wiki...and google codes
[06:32:43] <_koen_> good morning all
[06:34:06] <av500> gm _kOEn_
[06:34:45] <amit_> any one having working uImage.bin ?
[06:35:09] <av500> I'd guess so
[06:35:31] <av500> khasim: how's the proto doin?
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[06:42:02] <lemay> There's an odd cable on digikey: http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?name=BBC01-ND
[06:42:15] <lemay> I'm doing my shopping now ... do I need to get that thing?
[06:43:10] <khasim> av500: the first board we tried yesterday had some voltage issue, we got few more assembled today, I am supposed to get one in another 4 hrs.
[06:43:58] <av500> pics?
[06:44:17] <av500> lemay: depends
[06:44:19] <khasim> will send you later
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[06:45:47] <Beagle1> khasim: Can U tell me abt. my doubt regarding Audio ?
[06:45:57] <av500> lemay: I soldered mine in 5min, so I would not pay 17$, on the other hand it can save you some worries and get you started quickly
[06:46:21] <lemay> khasim: are you building your own beagles or a something else?
[06:46:21] <amit_> kernel is booting but getting the following error "Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel."
[06:46:32] <av500> Beagle1: you "error report" is of the most unspecific kind, so what help do you expect
[06:46:42] <av500> Beagle1: did you turn on your speakers?
[06:46:52] <Beagle1> nope
[06:47:01] <Beagle1> I mean yup
[06:47:28] <Beagle1> i have headphones attached to beableboard
[06:47:45] <Beagle1> but unable to get sound
[06:47:59] <lemay> thanks av500. I'll pay the $17 to avoid hassle I think.
[06:48:16] <Beagle1> My observation is No device of audio getting created in /dev
[06:48:54] <av500> lemay: :)
[06:48:58] <Beagle1> If I boot up with V2.6.28-omap1 then it works fine
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[06:50:21] <Beagle1> But If I boot up with V2.6.29-omap1 (built by me on my machine) Audio devices not getting created
[06:51:16] <Beagle1> av500: Now can u suggest something ?
[06:54:02] <av500> Beagle1: same config file?
[06:54:22] <av500> where are these kernels from?
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[06:54:51] <av500> sound is a module?
[06:54:58] <av500> new modules installed properly?
[06:55:00] <av500> lsmod?
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[06:58:38] <lemay> welp, I just ordered a bunch of stuff ... including the backordered beagle
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[06:58:55] <lemay> I hope it comes back into stock soon :P
[06:59:23] <Beagle1> nope
[06:59:53] <Beagle1> Sound is geeting compiled with kernel
[06:59:57] <Beagle1> not module
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[07:30:55] <methril|work> good morning
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[07:31:48] <Guest75842> Hi I urgently need help..with booting ubuntu on beagleboard
[07:32:17] <Guest75842> I followed all steps given in wiki but aftre booting ...it is not detecting keyboard and mouse
[07:32:30] <Guest75842> I would appreciate if any one can help me with this
[07:32:56] <Guest75842> does fat32 partition of Uimage has
[07:33:06] <Guest75842> MLO and U-boot
[07:33:13] <Guest75842> coz I just copied UImage
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[07:48:00] <ant_work> _koen_: Narcissus is in a better shape this morning
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[07:52:43] <_koen_> ant_work: it ran of of inodes in /tmp
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[08:19:49] <gatotkaca> hellooo
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[08:24:58] <gatotkaca> how can I know the USB Device ID?
[08:25:24] <gatotkaca> I wanna try pusb
[08:25:25] <gatotkaca> :-)
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[08:37:20] <gatotkaca> ah lsusb -- my bad
[08:38:15] <rkirti> Has anyone built a beagleboard-demo-image with OE recently ? Mine stops at findutils, with an error about an undefined macro
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[08:43:18] <gatotkaca> uhm
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[08:44:51] <shell_> beagleboard + http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/cambrionix-49-port-usb-hub-for-professionals-nerds/ ?!
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[08:54:07] <dash_> Can anybody let me know how to specify vram param in kernel cmdline for DSS2 arch ?
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[08:55:27] <dash_> By default I am getting one fb allocated and I want to allocate 2 more. From code I can figure out they will be allocated only if Vram params are specified....
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[08:56:35] <dash_> omapfb.vram:4M,vram:4M
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[08:57:46] <dash_> is is it right ??
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[08:59:24] <slado> thinking of getting beagle, but i have a few questions
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[08:59:56] <av500> just get it
[09:00:07] <slado> if i buy it from digi-key, is everything needed included or do i need additional cables?
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[09:00:22] <av500> depends on what you have at home
[09:00:28] <slado> or would the ebvbeagle be a good choice?
[09:00:44] <gatotkaca> av500: can we change the current running u-boot via usb?
[09:00:52] <_koen_> specialcomp.com and ebvbeagle offer additional stuff
[09:01:02] <gatotkaca> av500: I want to get rid RS232 :-)
[09:01:25] <av500> gatotkaca: no idea, I like RS232 :-)
[09:01:38] <gatotkaca> av500: Oh no!
[09:01:55] <gatotkaca> I need to design a device with only usb-otg attached
[09:01:58] * av500 likes RS232
[09:02:15] <av500> gatotkaca: fine, but you still debug it with serial :-)
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[09:02:45] <av500> or how do you debug OTG if your run your console on it?
[09:03:07] <slado> serial cable is needed and doesn't come with the package?
[09:03:07] <gatotkaca> av500: if I have linux running -- I can use SSH :P
[09:03:14] <av500> yep
[09:03:23] <Zee> Hi, can any body tell me the supported resolutions for NTSC-601 standard in BB?
[09:03:32] <slado> anything else i need to get it up and running?
[09:03:52] <slado> i do have usb cables to power it
[09:04:44] <gatotkaca> av500: hum -- every fresh OMAP35xx has u-boot in it right?
[09:05:13] <gatotkaca> av500: and we can always put them to boot via network? (tftboot?)
[09:05:20] <slado> and is it possible to get vdr running on it? do usb dvb sticks work?
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[09:06:47] <av500> gatotkaca: a "fresh" omap has only the ROM boot code in it
[09:07:11] <gatotkaca> not u-boot huh?
[09:07:25] <mru> any omap has only the rom in *it*
[09:07:33] <mru> anything else is in external flash
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[09:09:12] <ds2> not really
[09:09:42] <ds2> the nice thing about the rom is it can boot off non flash devices like a uart or usb
[09:10:07] <gatotkaca> ds2: wow -- please tell me! :-)
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[09:10:42] <gatotkaca> ds2: I really need that concept :-)
[09:10:46] <Zee> Hi, can any body tell me the supported resolutions for NTSC-601 standard in BB?
[09:11:05] <ds2> gatotkaca: someone compiled tools todo that
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[09:14:07] <gatotkaca> ds2: someone?
[09:14:49] <av500> gatotkaca: read the TRM
[09:15:18] <ds2> forgot who might have been nishant (sorry, bad at spelling names)
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[09:18:09] <hrw> morning
[09:18:10] <gatotkaca> ds2: do you mean this:
[09:18:25] <gatotkaca> http://code.google.com/p/omap-u-boot-utils/
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[09:22:03] <ds2> looks like it
[09:22:47] <ds2> pserial and pusb
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[09:26:33] <gatotkaca> ds2: I'm on the HOST MODE (but still my "host" cannot detect beagle as a usb device -- there is nothing new from the lsub)
[09:27:29] <ds2> Linux? UBoot? ROM?
[09:27:45] <gatotkaca> ds2: ROM
[09:28:10] <gatotkaca> ds2: ah no -- U-boot -- well I tried to simulate the situation when I have nothing
[09:28:29] <gatotkaca> ds2: but, "unfortunately" I have u-boot in my flash
[09:28:38] <gatotkaca> ds2: (erase it?!)
[09:29:09] <gatotkaca> ds2: have nothing except the boot ROM code :-)
[09:30:36] <ds2> no, use the sysboot config option
[09:30:43] <ds2> on the Beagle, it would be the userbutton
[09:31:05] <ds2> it causes the rom to search the other sources before the NAND flash
[09:31:18] <ds2> I should try to get some sleep
[09:32:24] <gatotkaca> ds2: have a nice sleep then :-) -- thanks
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[09:57:36] * _koen_ nominates outlook as worst email client ever
[09:57:53] <_koen_> and it takes a lot to be worse than thunderturd
[09:59:09] <av500> _koen_: hehe, you asked for it
[10:00:32] <_koen_> true
[10:02:44] <dash_> Does V2.6.29 (DSS2 enabled) take vram as separate arguement ?
[10:03:07] <_koen_> doesn't that have a runtime vram allocator?
[10:03:28] <_koen_> e.g. poke 4000000 into /sys/class/graphics/fb1/size and you get a 3.9MB fb?
[10:03:53] <dash_> just a min
[10:08:58] <gatotkaca> glad I've found this: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/40b0161a4d3d64ef
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[10:12:14] <dash_> No poke command in FS I am using
[10:12:38] <_koen_> for 'poke' read echo :)
[10:12:55] <lool> I just got a beagleboard; I need to say the case from specialcomputing was a good investment and the board is really
[10:12:58] <lool> cool
[10:13:24] <lool> I see that the default config is supposed to fallback to nandboot, but it seems there's no valid kernel in the nand; is that correct?
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[10:16:01] <dash_> _koen_ oh sorry now i got it "echo 4000000 > /sys/class/graphics/fb1/size"
[10:16:12] <_koen_> lool: correct
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[10:17:07] <dash_> when i cat i get 4001792
[10:18:11] <dash_> how paddr will be assigned ?
[10:18:17] <mru> I tried to build ffmpeg with the c6x compiler
[10:18:28] * av500 drumrols
[10:18:34] <dash_> _koen_: How fb1 will get paddr ?
[10:18:38] <mru> *tried*
[10:18:42] <dash_> will it get that ?
[10:18:46] * av500 snifs
[10:19:50] <_koen_> mru: and differences with the tms470 one?
[10:20:03] <_koen_> dash_: I have no idea what paddr is, sorry
[10:20:12] <mru> same high-level bugs, different low-level bugs
[10:20:28] <av500> bugs or missing features?
[10:20:43] <dash_> _koen_ I mean phys_addr
[10:20:54] <dash_> and yup it is there
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[10:21:08] <mru> we already knew it miscompiles variable-length arrays
[10:21:28] <mru> I checked that after finding this bug in tms470
[10:21:31] <dash_> sorry 'paddr' i just reffered as it is in code
[10:21:49] <dash_> I meant it to be phys_addr
[10:23:14] <mru> segfault on two files
[10:24:10] <av500> no summer vacation for the cgtools team then
[10:24:39] <dash_> _koen_: I don't have fb1 and fb2 in /dev is it ok if I create them manually after doing above thing ?
[10:25:15] <mru> and a silly one: "near" and "far" special keywords
[10:25:16] <_koen_> dash_: you can create them manually, but I still think your udev is broken :)
[10:25:23] <mru> we have a few variables by those names...
[10:25:46] <mru> I hate it when compilers do that
[10:25:51] <mru> they should use __near etc.
[10:26:13] <dash_> I am also having same doubt
[10:26:35] <av500> mru: I once named a variable "data" :-)
[10:26:57] <mru> I like naming variables "class"
[10:27:05] <mru> especially in header files
[10:27:07] <dash_> _koen_ can U pls tell me correct place in /etc/udev/rules.d/ to look into ?
[10:27:11] <mru> just to be mean to c++ users
[10:27:17] <av500> mine was global of course :-)
[10:29:51] <mru> in what way is "data" a bad name?
[10:29:57] <mru> apart from being a bit generic
[10:31:46] <_koen_> dash_: what does zcat /proc/config.gz | grep SYSFS_ say?
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[10:34:14] <dash_> _koen_:CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED_V2 is not set
[10:34:26] <_koen_> good
[10:34:37] <_koen_> since setting that breaks udev :)
[10:35:12] <dash_> So what do I do now ?
[10:35:30] <_koen_> mknod them by hand I guess
[10:35:43] <dash_> ok
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[10:44:38] <rach> I am getting error in building steve's beagle uboot http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoard#U-Boot
[10:45:39] <rach> Does it build with CS arm-2007q3 toolchain ?
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[10:54:03] <mcgeagh> yay, androids my bitch
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[11:21:38] <Zee> which reslolution is supported in case of NTSC standard?
[11:21:47] <av500> NTSC
[11:21:48] <mru> 720x480
[11:23:24] <Zee> av500: i m trying 720*480 but there is flickring on screen
[11:23:37] <Zee> is there any other resolution supported?
[11:23:49] <mru> was there ever an ntsc display that didn't flicker?
[11:23:55] <Zee> both for PAL and NTSC
[11:24:45] <Zee> what other resolution are supported for both PAL and NTSC?
[11:24:53] <av500> Zee: none
[11:25:03] <mru> no resolution is supported by both
[11:25:11] <av500> PAL and NTSC only support one resolution
[11:25:23] <mru> it's like saying "which resolution is both 720x480 and 720x576?"
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[11:25:32] <Zee> mru: u mean only 720*480?
[11:25:36] <av500> yes
[11:26:05] <_koen_> hrw: can you ack the dhcp patch (patchwork #900) ?
[11:26:12] <av500> Zee: if by flickering you mean thin horizontal lines flickering, thats systematic with interlaced displays
[11:26:37] <av500> displaying an X11 desktop was never on the agenda when they were desinged
[11:26:55] <Zee> av500: ok. but when i set 320*240 in the DISPC_GFX_POSITION and DISPC_SIZE_DIG register, srceen become stable but cut on upper side
[11:27:37] <av500> describe your "flicker"
[11:28:07] <Zee> av500:it is horizontal flicking
[11:29:11] <hrw> koen: done
[11:29:52] <_koen_> hrw: thanks!
[11:30:04] <Zee> av500:according ot manual, it describe, DISPC_GFX_BA0 and DISPC_GFX_BA1 will contains the odd and even field addresses but i gave the same address to both registers, is it true?
[11:30:26] <hrw> koen: can you review rest of them?
[11:30:54] <av500> if you give the same address then you get an interlaced output with both fields the same
[11:31:26] <Zee> av500: how to calculate the address for DISPC_GFX_BA1?
[11:31:53] <av500> offset of one line, no?
[11:32:02] <Zee> av500:i set the start address to DISPC_GFX_BA0, which address shoud i set for DISPC_GFX_BA1?
[11:32:14] <av500> DISPC_GFX_BA0 + one line
[11:32:45] <Zee> if i use 720*480 then next line will b (720*3)+1 for 24BPP, is it true?
[11:33:42] <_koen_> hrw: I can try to have a look after work
[11:33:45] <av500> if your buffer stride is 720 pixels, then the next line is 720*3, no?
[11:34:00] <av500> unless 24bpp is stored as 32bpp actually, then 4
[11:34:09] <av500> which I think it is
[11:34:12] <hrw> koen: thx
[11:34:27] <Zee> actualy i m using packed, this will b the case with unpacked
[11:34:32] <hrw> koen: I have still lot of patches to send but prefer to have current batch closed
[11:35:17] <Zee> av500: do u have any implementation for DSS driver which iu can use for reference?
[11:35:57] <av500> what is wrong with all the omap3 linux kernels out there?
[11:37:09] <av500> Zee: you on linux?
[11:37:31] <Zee> av500:but i did not find any kernel with DSS implementation for S-Video support, no i m using my own RTOS
[11:43:07] <av500> Zee: http://www.bat.org/~tomba/git/linux-omap-dss.git/
[11:43:20] <av500> drivers/video/omap2/dss/dispc.c
[11:43:39] <av500> *offset1 = screen_width * (fbh - 1) * ps;
[11:45:04] <av500> err, *offset1 = screen_width * ps;
[11:46:18] <Zee> av500: ps stand for pixel size?
[11:46:28] <av500> yep
[11:46:47] <hrw> koen: upload-packages.sh question...
[11:47:00] <av500> 3 for OMAP_DSS_COLOR_RGB24P, 4 for OMAP_DSS_COLOR_RGB24U
[11:47:08] <hrw> koen: it wants to rsync as angstrom@linuxtogo.org but I never submited key for it
[11:48:00] <Zee> av500: ok, now i will try it. thanks for your support.
[11:49:29] <Zee> av500: i am unable to find the path drivers/video/omap2/dss/dispc.c, plz guide me.
[11:49:37] <_koen_> hrw: you do need your key in /home/angstrom/.ssh/authorized keys for it to work
[11:50:17] <Zee> av500: how to reach the file discp.c?
[11:50:25] <hrw> koen: my keys are in /home/hrw/.ssh/authorized_keys
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[11:51:34] <av500> Zee: git clone http://www.bat.org/~tomba/git/linux-omap-dss.git/
[11:51:40] <av500> there is no web frontend
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[11:53:12] <_koen_> hrw: which I can't access :)
[11:53:17] <Zee> av500: ok
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[11:55:06] <hrw> koen: use /tmp/hrw file and tell me when to remove
[11:57:41] <_koen_> hrw: should be safe to delete now
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[12:02:42] <hrw> koen: 333 files
[12:02:59] <hrw> koen: at91sam9263ek, qemuarm, vortex86sx, qemux86
[12:03:22] <hrw> koen: btw - do you still use tslib enabled devices?
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[12:05:33] <hrw> koen: uploaded
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[12:32:11] <dev001> hi
[12:32:54] <dev001> anybudy uses yuv display thorugh "DMA"?
[12:35:31] <dev001> hi
[12:35:36] <dev001> anybuddy is there
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[12:37:30] <dev001> how i can play yuv?
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[12:38:32] <dev001> righnow i am ussing SDL?
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[12:46:30] <MHQ> anyone here who knows about Audio driver beagle board?
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[12:53:58] <dash]> _koen_ : I have built FS online on Angstrom site and my framebuffer device creation problem got solved
[12:54:51] <dash]> but getting different issue this time overlays file not getting created in /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/
[12:56:39] <dash]> Nope it is inside graphics/fb0
[12:57:03] <_koen_> dash]: using the same kernel?
[12:58:51] <dash]> V2.6.29-omap1
[12:59:03] <dash]> Same kernel
[12:59:25] <dash]> different file sys
[12:59:41] <_koen_> and /sys is mounted?
[12:59:44] <dash]> Now udev is proper on this
[13:00:14] <dash]> yup sysfs on /sys
[13:00:39] <_koen_> sysfs is a kernel things, so I wonder why it isn't creating nodes
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[13:03:05] <dash]> is that anything to do with kernel cmdline ?
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[13:03:24] <_koen_> that would be one explanation
[13:03:51] <dash]> OK I will check cmdline
[13:08:41] <dash]> No bootargs related to fb are given
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[13:08:54] <dash]> still it is giving same thing
[13:10:34] <dash]> inside /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/ I am having 4 dirs and not files of framebuffer and all
[13:11:49] <koen> root@beagleboard:/sys# ls ./devices/platform/omapfb/graphics/
[13:11:49] <koen> fb0 fb1 fb2
[13:13:08] <_koen_> that's what I have
[13:13:28] <dash]> me too
[13:13:57] <_koen_> so what's the problem :)
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[13:14:35] <dash]> but where is that overlays and all specified in dds2 doc (http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/115867f718b52e4b/4c64b2c614622053) gone ?
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[13:15:52] <dash]> In /sys/devices/platform/omapfb we have four files: framebuffers, overlays, managers and displays. You can read them so see the current setup, and change them by writing to it in the form of "<item-id> <opt1>:<val1> <opt2>:<val2>..."
[13:16:01] <dash]> As per dss2 doc
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[13:16:12] <_koen_> does your DSS doc match your kernel?
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[13:17:51] <dash]> how do I verify ? path of dds doc in code .... ??(PLS)
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[13:21:06] <dash]> where is dss doc is situated ?
[13:24:12] <lool> With a freshbuilt khilman/linux-omap-pm.git kernel using omap3_beagle_defconfig, I get this error over and over: omapfb omapfb: irq error status 4000
[13:24:41] <lool> Should I be better using another tree, or am I configuring it wrong?
[13:25:14] <rach> I can able to build 2.6_kernel but getting error in uboot build http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoard#U-Boot
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[13:25:40] <dash]> just get kernel from omap-linux git
[13:26:00] <dash]> lool: Get omap-linux git kernel
[13:27:29] <lool> dash]: You mean tmlind's linux-omap?
[13:27:41] <lool> tmlind/linux-omap-2.6.git?
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[13:30:41] <dash]> lool: git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/tmlind/linux-omap-2.6.git
[13:30:48] <lool> Right
[13:30:53] <lool> I've kicked a build, thanks
[13:31:15] <lool> I was told by someone working on other OMAP3 boards to use the pm tree which I think is derived from it
[13:31:17] <dash]> U will need to checkout one hash and then give build
[13:32:03] <dash]> take master kernel from git and use OE patches
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[13:32:08] <dash]> this works
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[13:33:31] <dual> I have a wall-to-usb converter and it says: Input: 100-240VAC, 50-60Hz; 200mA, Output: 5.4VDC 650mA; Max 3.5W. Would that work with the beagle?
[13:33:40] <dual> To power it
[13:34:13] <mru> 5.4V WTF?
[13:34:18] <mru> USB is 5.0V
[13:34:28] <dual> It looks like the left one of these: http://www.7dayshop.com/catalog/images/products/prod_101823.jpg
[13:35:49] <dual> Mru: So there's something wrong here?
[13:35:53] <lool> dash]: Hmm the linux-omap tip doesn't show anything past Uncompressing Linux...
[13:35:58] <lool> So it's worse
[13:36:07] <lool> dash]: Which tree is the OE one?
[13:37:54] <av500> mru: I guess it drops to 5V under load :-)
[13:38:55] <dual> http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.komplett.no%2Fk%2Fki.aspx%3Fsku%3D315849&sl=no&tl=en&history_state0=
[13:39:00] <dual> There you see it
[13:39:13] <dash]> u checkout kernel and OE both
[13:39:34] <dash]> U will need patches from OE
[13:40:23] <dash]> but without patches and with 58cf2f1425abfd3a449f9fe985e48be2d2555022 hash checked out ur kernel should boot on beagle with default config
[13:40:34] <dash]> tell me if this works for U
[13:40:46] <dash]> then we will look other issues
[13:40:52] <dual> av500: Here it says 5v/500mA: http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/236282/art/hama/usb-5v-500ma-outlet-charg.html But it's printed 5.4 on mine
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[13:48:03] <lool> I'll give a try to linux-omap's .29-omap1 tag
[13:49:09] <av500> dual: still, its ugly
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[13:54:07] <arm_> hi...is there someone who knows how can I lower the ARM clock to 250MHZ?
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[13:57:23] <mru> arm_: use the PM kernel or poke the clock register manually
[13:59:13] <arm_> what is PM kernel?
[13:59:18] <lool> Cool v2.6.29-omap1 works fine apparently
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[14:00:22] <lool> I see that the Uboot coming with the board doesn't seem to support USB; since rev C now has EHCI I was wondering whether Uboot already grew support for this port
[14:00:32] <lool> Hmm I should checkout the uboot project
[14:01:08] <arm_> mru: or how can I set the register manually? I have openembedded and the git of the v.2.6.29 omap
[14:01:25] <djlewis> dual: recommended BB operating voltage range 4.75-5.25vDC
[14:02:26] <hrw> lool: flash uboot 2009.06
[14:03:24] <lool> hrw: The upstream one?
[14:03:25] <arm_> this uboot lool can resolve the problem with USB? I was reading that one indication in that sense is to lower ARM clock
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[14:03:43] <lool> (I see there are at least 3 uboot v1 related projects on beagleboard.org!)
[14:03:59] <hrw> lool: grab one from angstrom website
[14:05:50] <lool> Oh actually I see confirmation that mainline should work fine on http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#U-Boot
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[14:09:05] <hrw> koen: you build u-boot for beagleboard with eabi toolchain - right?
[14:11:39] <Crofton> koen, current beagle u-boot does not setup mux for mcspi3?
[14:11:50] <Crofton> this would be convenient for me :)
[14:12:03] <hrw> bb in few
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[14:16:05] <_koen_> hrw: right, eabi
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[14:18:22] <_koen_> Crofton: it should, since I used sakomans patch for the tincantools board that has ethernet on spi
[14:18:48] <Crofton> bother
[14:19:13] <_koen_> the patch changes SOMI which is spi aiui
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[14:20:34] <Crofton> looks liek mcspi4
[14:20:40] <Crofton> they use mmc right?
[14:20:46] <Crofton> mcspi3 is shared on there
[14:20:49] <Crofton> with mmc
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[14:21:05] <Crofton> I am trying to work out the kernel mux code
[14:21:15] <Crofton> so we can not hack u-boot
[14:23:12] * _koen_ didn't know there were more than one spi blocks present
[14:23:32] <rkirti> is it just me or is the beagleboard-demo-image in OE really broken ?
[14:23:42] <_koen_> rkirti: it's just you
[14:23:47] <rkirti> the build stops with errors in both findutils and coreutisl
[14:23:56] <rkirti> s/coreutisl/coreutils
[14:24:16] <_koen_> rkirti: works fine over here
[14:29:09] <Crofton> rkirti, what is the error
[14:29:25] <mru> coreutils used to be horribly broken for cross-compiling
[14:29:28] <mru> recent versions are ok
[14:29:33] <rkirti> Crofton: http://pastebin.com/d3559ed4e
[14:30:12] <rkirti> Crofton: thats coreutils. For findutils, I just changed the default preference to build an older version, the newer seems to have some problems at do_configure step with macros
[14:30:25] <Crofton> hmmm
[14:30:35] <Crofton> you might try asking in #oe also
[14:30:54] <Crofton> stable or dev?
[14:30:55] <Crofton> also?
[14:31:05] <rkirti> Crofton: dev
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[14:32:05] <rkirti> mru: I cant get 7.2 to build, so I am trying the older versions atm
[14:32:18] <hrw> koen: /home/hrw/devel/build/angstrom/tmp/cross/armv5te/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.3.3/libgcc.a(_udivsi3.o): In function `__aeabi_uidiv':
[14:32:21] <hrw> /home/hrw/devel/build/angstrom/tmp/work/armv5te-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/gcc-cross-4.3.3-r5.1/gcc-4.3.3/libgcc/../gcc/config/arm/lib1funcs.asm:810: multiple definition of `__udivsi3'
[14:32:27] <hrw> koen: know way to fix this?
[14:32:36] <mru> rkirti: 7.4 builds cleanly over here
[14:33:00] <Crofton> rkirti, oe is working for me also
[14:33:18] <Crofton> check in #oe, you might find someone who has seen the problem
[14:33:31] <rkirti> Crofton, mru: thanks.
[14:34:44] <rkirti> mru: I am working with the .dev branch, and that for some reason has only 7.2. I will try with 7.4
[14:34:51] <lool> hrw: New U-Boot built from tip works fine; thanks! U-Boot 2009.06 (juil. 23 2009 - 16:27:22)
[14:34:58] <lool> No USB support though
[14:37:13] * ogra thought there was a bounty project for musb
[14:37:50] <ogra> lool, http://elinux.org/U-boot_musb_gadget_support
[14:38:03] <_koen_> hrw: kernel build?
[14:38:22] <hrw> koen: u-boot git
[14:38:29] <hrw> koen: for armv5te
[14:38:53] <lool> ogra: Yeah, I was on that page actually :) But this is for mini USB, only mentions console which implies guest and I want host (I just want to boot of an USB mass storage)
[14:39:03] <lool> But the mini-USB console is nice too
[14:39:11] <mschu> hi! can anyone tell me what i'm doing wrong if i don't get an output on my monitor? - the board seems to boot fine, i can hear the sound every time
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[14:39:38] <_koen_> hrw: I suspect uboot picked up this kernel bug: http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=282d57299747bd465f8306dd259b7f8efbecda37
[14:40:13] <lool> sakoman: Hmm you might want to edit the instructions on http://elinux.org/U-boot_musb_gadget_support to point to the gitorious tree rather than www.sakoman.net
[14:40:33] <hrw> koen: also /home/hrw/devel/build/angstrom/tmp/cross/armv5te/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.3.3/libgcc.a(bpabi.o):(.ARM.exidx+0x0): undefined reference to `__aeabi_unwind_cpp_pr0'
[14:40:39] <hrw> and /home/hrw/devel/build/angstrom/tmp/work/armv5te-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/gcc-cross-4.3.3-r5.1/gcc-4.3.3/libgcc/../gcc/config/arm/lib1funcs.asm:1079: undefined reference to `raise'
[14:40:43] <hrw> ?
[14:42:16] <_koen_> hrw: heh, that sound the good old "no eabi support' problem
[14:42:48] <hrw> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.boot-loaders.u-boot/50314 helps
[14:43:24] <hrw> not quite yet
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[15:23:38] <Beagle4> Hi
[15:23:54] <Beagle4> I have problem while loading ubuntu on beagleboard
[15:24:01] <Beagle4> keyb oard and mouse are not working
[15:24:20] <Beagle4> can any one please tell me what files they kept in fat 32 partition
[15:24:36] <Beagle4> coz in wiki of ubuntu they asked me to copy only uImage
[15:24:53] <Beagle4> I would appreciate if any one can help me with this
[15:25:42] <Beagle4> I really need help with this
[15:25:58] <Beagle4> and its very urgent to solve this issue
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[15:27:45] <hrw> uImage is enough
[15:28:29] <djlewis> Beagle4: wouldn't that depend on whether he setup his nand to boot rather than u-boot?
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[15:34:12] <Beagle4> if uImage is enough why does keyboard and mouse not working
[15:34:33] <Beagle4> I initally loaded just uImage and then booted BB
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[15:38:35] <mcgeagh> so.. who wants this android v7a stuff?
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[15:39:41] <av500> post it on BB ml or the embinux one, no?
[15:41:02] <mcgeagh> k, just realised its git...not done a git diff before lol so may be a while
[15:41:51] <av500> "git diff", no?
[15:42:05] <mcgeagh> apparently not
[15:42:14] <mru> huh?
[15:42:32] <mcgeagh> fatal: git diff takes two paths
[15:43:28] <mru> your git is seriously messed up
[15:43:33] <mru> what did you type?
[15:43:40] <mcgeagh> 'git diff'
[15:43:48] <mcgeagh> fatal: git diff [--no-index] takes two paths
[15:43:57] <_koen_> isn't android using that google wrapper for git?
[15:44:19] <mru> wtf?
[15:44:28] <mcgeagh> beats me
[15:45:45] <mcgeagh> i guess i could checkout the repo again and do a normal diff against the 2 dirs... but thatll take a while
[15:46:19] <janneg> is it a real git repo? ie with .git directory
[15:46:21] <mru> _koen_: are you saying android comes with its own messed-up git?
[15:46:36] <mcgeagh> u use something called repo
[15:46:43] <mcgeagh> and yes there are .git folders
[15:47:10] <janneg> but afaik only to manage multiple git repositories
[15:47:14] <_koen_> yeah, 'git pull' is too difficult according to google, so you do 'repo sync'
[15:47:24] <mru> ooh, sooo much easier
[15:47:25] <mcgeagh> ah theres a repo diff
[15:47:33] <mru> idiots
[15:47:37] <_koen_> ah, time for another conf call
[15:47:42] <mru> enjoy
[15:48:07] <mru> and make sure that compiler team is working
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[16:12:26] <djlewis> Beagle4: looking over the http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu , there is no use of u-boot. Strange that Debian does use it.
[16:12:59] <djlewis> Beagle4: other than the nand settings.
[16:13:54] <djlewis> Well I take it all back, I didn't read far enough along, forget all I said about it, arrgh :(
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[16:35:45] <mcgeagh> there.... i posted my shit on the mailinglists
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[16:43:04] <av500> mcgeagh: I see :-)
[16:43:30] <mcgeagh> seems to work.........
[16:43:53] <av500> good
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[17:48:30] <sakoman> hey djlewis!
[17:48:57] <sakoman> there's an r7 now that is substantially better than the previous versions
[17:49:05] <sakoman> (imho)
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[18:11:43] <djlewis> hi sakoman
[18:12:16] <djlewis> sakoman: cool, I'll check it out shortly..
[18:12:27] <Crofton|work> sakoman, going to test some kernel pinmux setup stuff
[18:12:43] <Crofton|work> hopefully, we can escape the need to do all that in u-boot
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[18:21:14] <ds2> Crofton|work: awaiting results with a baited breath ;)
[18:21:53] <Crofton|work> heh
[18:21:55] <Crofton|work> yeah
[18:22:00] <likewise_> Crofton|work: bad pinmux can sometimes destroy a board
[18:22:43] <likewise_> but then again, so does applying 12 Volt on some boards :-)
[18:22:48] <Crofton|work> right
[18:26:49] <Ceriand> if one wanted to format a SD card to do the board validation in linux, would you create a partition table or just create the FAT32 fs at the start of the card?
[18:28:19] <Ceriand> x-load only seems to recognize the boot section when the isn't a partition table
[18:28:27] <Ceriand> s/section/sector
[18:30:01] <_av500_> 12v? go for it!
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[18:32:14] <ds2> the pinmux config is just a matter of writing to a register so in theory you can trap it with the JTAG debugger, validate with the TRM then allow it to do its thing
[18:32:26] <ds2> that's assuming you completely do not trust the code
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[20:43:29] <Crofton> mmcinit is now mmc init
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[20:48:46] <_av500_> McInit?
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[21:12:38] <Crofton> koen, you may want to add some of Robbert's stuff to the Angstrom page
[21:12:49] <Crofton> we should also have a set for buidling dev somewhere
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[21:50:22] <dario> is there anyone who can tell me what register I have to modified in uboot source file in ordere to se ARM clock to 250 MHz?
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[22:35:37] <bobkatzz> well - here's what I did today - http://www.arrl.org/contests/soapbox/index.html?con_id=176&call=w4za :( whew!
[22:36:28] <bobkatzz> and that, as they say - is a wrap!
[22:36:44] <bobkatzz> time for another Black & Tan :P
[22:39:31] <bobkatzz> ok - much mo bettah!
[22:39:43] <bobkatzz> hey - PING!
[22:40:20] <bobkatzz> AK6L: you there?
[22:40:36] <AK6L> bobkatzz, yep
[22:40:38] <AK6L> what's up?
[22:42:10] <bobkatzz> nuttin - did you see that lin? ----^
[22:42:15] <bobkatzz> link
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[22:42:45] <AK6L> bobkatzz, ah, putting up a tower :)
[22:43:03] <bobkatzz> do you have any boatanchor rigs?
[22:43:41] <bobkatzz> yeah the tower is kewl
[22:43:44] <AK6L> nope, all modern yaesu
[22:43:51] <AK6L> FT-817, FT-817, VX8R
[22:43:51] <bobkatzz> ah - nice
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[22:44:12] <AK6L> though i guess i have a couple Icoms now, IC-2800H in my wrangler and an IC-207H a friend donated, since he's apparently getting out of radio
[22:44:42] <bobkatzz> all QRP here - and one NC300 and a couple of Heathkits - hw-7 and an SB-101 under repair right now
[22:45:09] <AK6L> er, sorry, FT-817, and FT-897
[22:45:13] <AK6L> not two '817s :)
[22:45:31] <bobkatzz> the main dial is cracked so I am machining a new one in CNC - got the Rhino dwg almost done
[22:45:38] <AK6L> nice :)
[22:45:41] <bobkatzz> yeah I wondered about that
[22:46:17] <bobkatzz> the spiral was the most challenging part
[22:46:51] <bobkatzz> now with SDr 15 moving parts are replace with - - - - - - one algorithm, hehe!
[22:47:25] <AK6L> got any pictures of the machined parts?
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[22:47:26] <bobkatzz> <limited typing ability>
[22:47:26] <AK6L> or is that not done yet?
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[22:47:51] <bobkatzz> nope got to go down to Chesapeake to my friend's shop
[22:48:08] <AK6L> ah.
[22:48:26] <bobkatzz> thought I would do that this week but 10 stumps and one Field Day submission derailed those plans eheh
[22:49:11] <bobkatzz> I could show ya the drawing though - will have to do a rendering
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[22:56:19] <bobkatzz> as it turns out it's very complex to light so that would take a hour and is not really necessary to producing so - I'll send you a photo when it's done
[22:56:53] <bobkatzz> AK6L: did you get your BB yet?
[22:57:24] <AK6L> bobkatzz: yeah, but i haven't had much time to play with it :/
[22:57:38] <AK6L> just got a new boss who's been working me pretty hard, and i'm still trying to buy a house
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[22:58:28] <bobkatzz> yeah and I'm still looking for one hehe!
[22:59:10] <bobkatzz> or I might have to resurrect my furniture company and do the fundraising circuit again - eeeewwww!
[22:59:42] <bobkatzz> buying a house is good :)
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[23:00:14] <bobkatzz> fortunately I'm on positive equity in mine - needs some work though
[23:05:53] <AK6L> if all goes well, we'll have instant equity in ours when we close
[23:06:01] <AK6L> granted, not much, but that's pretty good in this market
[23:06:43] <AK6L> the place we're looking at needs some renovation, but it's all cosmetic for the most part
[23:09:30] <bobkatzz> that's a deal
[23:09:46] <AK6L> and better yet, it's a rental
[23:10:06] <bobkatzz> someone can buy mine and put in $10k and get out $15+
[23:10:23] <bobkatzz> yeah - we had lease/option in CA in 86
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[23:10:48] <bobkatzz> nice place $156k - would be $400k+ now :(
[23:11:16] <bobkatzz> right on Mt Diablo near Walnut Creek, CA
[23:11:48] <bobkatzz> 30ft+ palm tree on one side and lemon trees in the back yard!!
[23:12:19] <bobkatzz> the funny thing is if I were to get this job in Oakland - that's probably where I'd start looking heh
[23:12:43] <bobkatzz> 320+ days of sunshine a year
[23:12:55] <AK6L> oh, applying for something in oakland?
[23:12:59] <AK6L> what company, if you don't mind my asking?
[23:13:02] <bobkatzz> even beats Miami or LA
[23:13:10] <bobkatzz> ASK.com
[23:13:13] <AK6L> ah, cool
[23:13:21] <AK6L> i can see their building from my apartment :)
[23:14:08] <bobkatzz> they are a subsidiary of IAC - my son works for one of their other groups - Gifts.com - in LA
[23:14:16] <bobkatzz> really? kewl!
[23:14:36] <bobkatzz> of course I'd LOVE to live in Berkely :)
[23:15:05] <bobkatzz> my friend lives there - but it's very - - - um pricely
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[23:15:24] <AK6L> it is expensive, though if you're looking to buy there are some deals there
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[23:15:42] <bobkatzz> he used to own a little company - - - - PC World Publishing - and a small hill in SF! hehe
[23:16:05] <bobkatzz> right up the the street from Anchor Steam
[23:16:22] <s4wrxttcs2> anyone know if this http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb is the place to track v4l2 patches/changes
[23:16:49] <AK6L> bobkatzz: hehe cool
[23:16:56] <bobkatzz> Smack! back reality - this is #beagle hehe
[23:17:23] <bobkatzz> now he's just "living large" as he calls it :P
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[23:17:38] <bobkatzz> very kewl guy though
[23:17:51] <bobkatzz> from Nebraska of course
[23:18:50] <bobkatzz> had to get that in :P
[23:19:28] <bobkatzz> HEy Chrikkies mate!! - It's Thursdaymas!!
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[23:20:12] <bobkatzz> WTF are we doin here? we should be down at Rare Old Times listening to Ishky Baha (definitely NOT how they spell it )
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[23:24:12] <bobkatzz> yep - it's Uisce Beatha - ain't that just like the Irish? http://www.uiscebeatha.com/
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