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IRC Log for 2009-07-24

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[00:42:15] <gatotkaca> good morning!
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[00:52:31] <billenium> When is the ETA for some more boards?
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[01:15:31] <gatotkaca> hello -- I found in pusb.c the device ID is for 3430
[01:19:36] <gatotkaca> where I can get this #define VENDOR_ID_TI ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??0x0451
[01:19:37] <gatotkaca> #define DEVICE_ID_3430 ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??0xD009
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[01:28:01] <gatotkaca> av500: ping
[01:32:17] <gatotkaca> help -- someone has nand erase 0 my beagle
[01:32:27] <gatotkaca> and I cannot boot from mmc
[01:32:30] <gatotkaca> help
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[01:54:53] <gatotkaca> ds2: ping
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[01:56:51] <billenium> gatotkaca: ping
[01:57:08] <gatotkaca> billenium: pong
[01:57:32] <gatotkaca> hi billenium, have an idea for booting beagleboard via usb?
[01:57:47] <billenium> I have not had the chance to purchase a beagleboard yet :P
[01:58:22] <gatotkaca> billenium: oh no -- at least do you know what is the DEVICE_ID for 3530
[01:58:28] <gatotkaca> billenium: I'm stuck
[01:59:02] <gatotkaca> billenium: I could not start my beagle -- and the lsusb doesn't gimme anything -- I need to detect my "dead-beagle"
[01:59:23] <billenium> Can't be of help :\
[01:59:27] <billenium> It will be my first OMAP board also
[02:00:00] <gatotkaca> billenium: :-)
[02:00:40] <billenium> What's the max amp usage of a beagleboard (under max load/crazy strained conditions)
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[02:04:51] <gatotkaca> billenium: no idea :-( -- I'm crying here now
[02:16:56] <ds2> gatotkaca: pong
[02:17:19] <gatotkaca> I did nand erase 0 to my beagle
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[02:17:29] <gatotkaca> and I could not boot again
[02:17:31] <gatotkaca> hiks
[02:17:35] <ds2> no big deal
[02:17:40] <ds2> I did a scrub NAND before
[02:17:56] <gatotkaca> (I tried to boot from MMC -- but it failed)
[02:18:09] <ds2> what kind of card?
[02:18:30] <gatotkaca> SD card?
[02:18:40] <ds2> size, brand, etc
[02:19:52] <gatotkaca> 1GB, VGEN
[02:20:10] <ds2> 1G hmmm
[02:20:24] <gatotkaca> is that not enough?
[02:20:24] <ds2> what's the partiton table look like?
[02:20:35] <gatotkaca> I just have one partition
[02:20:46] <ds2> oh it is plenty... it also tells me you have a SD card not a SHDC and not a MMC variant
[02:20:55] <ds2> but what geometry?
[02:21:16] <billenium> Hmm, im going to guess under 500mA
[02:21:48] <ds2> gatokaca: can you pastebin the output of the 'p' command for that card?
[02:21:53] <gatotkaca> ds2: I tried to boot from MMC before with the same card
[02:22:03] <ds2> and the result of 'ls -l' on that card
[02:22:17] <gatotkaca> ds2: wait
[02:23:44] <gatotkaca> Disk /dev/sdb: 1007 MB, 1007157248 bytes
[02:23:44] <gatotkaca> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 122 cylinders
[02:23:44] <gatotkaca> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[02:23:44] <gatotkaca> Disk identifier: 0x00053aca
[02:23:44] <gatotkaca> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
[02:23:45] <gatotkaca> /dev/sdb1 * 1 122 979933+ b W95 FAT32
[02:25:41] <gatotkaca> ds2: ls -l: I got all the files from the recovery page
[02:26:31] <ds2> try changing the system type to 'c'
[02:27:03] <ds2> (t, 1, c, w, q) <-- fdisk commands
[02:27:10] <gatotkaca> oh ok
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[02:33:53] <gatotkaca> I have this:
[02:33:55] <gatotkaca> Disk /dev/sdb: 1007 MB, 1007157248 bytes
[02:33:55] <gatotkaca> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 122 cylinders
[02:33:55] <gatotkaca> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[02:33:55] <gatotkaca> Disk identifier: 0x00053aca
[02:33:55] <gatotkaca> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
[02:33:56] <gatotkaca> /dev/sdb1 * 1 122 979933+ c W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[02:34:00] <gatotkaca> and still have no luck
[02:34:24] <ds2> hmmm
[02:34:31] <ds2> how did you create the FS?
[02:34:41] <ds2> mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb1?
[02:36:31] <Animule> hayburners
[02:37:07] <gatotkaca> yes
[02:40:05] <ds2> try using a slight variant (one sec)
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[02:40:23] <ds2> mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sdb1
[02:40:37] <ds2> I had problems w/o the -F 32
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[02:46:25] <gatotkaca> well i did it with -F 32
[02:46:55] <ds2> and where are you getting the MLO, and u-boot.bin files?
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[02:48:09] <gatotkaca> http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleboardRevCValidation
[02:48:32] <ds2> okay...
[02:48:38] <ds2> exactly what does the serial port do?
[02:49:14] <ds2> do you see a 40T/40V signature? it might be surrounded by trash
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[02:51:17] <gatotkaca> 40V
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[02:52:27] <gatotkaca> i pressed the user button -- placed my mmc
[02:52:29] <ds2> hmmm
[02:52:40] <ds2> pressed? not held down?
[02:52:55] <gatotkaca> held down
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[02:53:23] <ds2> if you see that, then it is just not happy with your card
[02:53:50] <gatotkaca> and my beagle is still ok huh?
[02:53:51] <gatotkaca> OK
[02:53:57] <gatotkaca> I'll try with another card
[02:55:09] <ds2> otherwise, try using the pserial thing to load MLO
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[03:09:09] <gatotkaca> ds2: pserial said this Did not read asic ID ret = 1
[03:09:16] <gatotkaca> I think I have to change the device ID
[03:09:21] <gatotkaca> it is for 3430
[03:09:35] <gatotkaca> I have asked Nishanth, but he said just like that
[03:09:59] <gatotkaca> ds2: I tried to find it at TRM
[03:10:05] <gatotkaca> ds2: but I couldn't find it
[03:10:08] <gatotkaca> :-(
[03:10:27] <ds2> well... modify the code to print out the received asic id
[03:10:48] <ds2> the other possibility is you have a newer rev of the silicon... 40T is the previous rev. 40V is newer
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[03:17:19] <gatotkaca> yay the psub is working
[03:17:21] <gatotkaca> *pusb
[03:17:35] <ds2> that one is the trickiest, IIRC
[03:18:04] <ds2> so what are you downloading?
[03:20:51] <gatotkatja> u-bootV2.bin
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[03:21:04] <ds2> I don't think that'd work
[03:21:16] <ds2> oh V2... nevermind
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[03:21:23] <gatotkatja> I tried to use the patches from Brian Silverman
[03:21:45] <gatotkatja> yeah -- u-bootV1 is too big :-)
[03:22:02] <ds2> with V1, you need to use MLO too get it to pull it off another media like SD
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[04:05:25] <lemay2> What's the best IDE to use to develop for the beagle board?
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[04:23:57] <gatotkatja> ds2: If I want to use V1
[04:24:12] <gatotkatja> ds2: then I have to download the MLO?
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[04:30:50] <gatotkatja> ds2: It's still broken
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[04:48:34] <gatotkatja> _av500_: ping
[04:48:39] <gatotkatja> av500: ping :-)
[05:04:56] <ds2> gatotkatja: what is it doing?
[05:05:15] <ds2> yeah, you do need MLO. MLO is a tiny version of Uboot that knows how to load the full u-boot
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[05:50:32] <djlewis> lemay2: if you are still listening, try Geany.
[05:51:06] <lemay2> geany eh?
[05:51:11] <_av500_> gm djlewis
[05:52:30] <lemay2> I've worked a lot with microsoft visual studio in the past
[05:52:39] <lemay2> I wanted to give eclipse a shot
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[05:53:33] <djlewis> gm _av500_
[05:54:00] <djlewis> lemay2: well have at it then.
[05:54:12] <lemay2> :)
[05:54:47] <djlewis> I've only tested Geany ant it is small, simple and works.
[05:54:59] <gatotkatja> ds2: I have downloaded the MLO via pusb
[05:55:15] <gatotkatja> but the outpu still the same
[05:55:33] <lemay2> there's a lot to be said for those three characteristics
[05:55:35] <djlewis> I have been out tonight with my 18" telescope. fair night. Lots of DSO.
[05:55:38] <gatotkatja> ds2: is there any chance that my "user-button" does not work?
[05:56:47] <djlewis> But time for bed here in Arkansas, USA so good night all.. :)
[05:56:55] <lemay2> nn o/
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[06:00:05] <gatotkatja> av500: ping
[06:03:13] <_koen_> good morning all
[06:06:27] <raster> _koen_: awesome!
[06:07:31] <_av500_> ho raster
[06:09:38] <raster> _av500_: burrp!
[06:11:53] <_av500_> shrimps on barbie?
[06:24:43] <raster> hmm not today.
[06:24:49] <raster> today - waiting for oe to build again
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[06:27:56] <_koen_> hey raster & _av500_
[06:28:06] <raster> boo
[06:29:27] * _koen_ has a moment of enlightenment
[06:29:43] <_koen_> I think I know why mmc isn't working on omap3evm anymore
[06:30:00] <raster> i qate it
[06:30:02] <raster> ate
[06:32:22] * _koen_ suspects omap2_set_globals_35xx()
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[06:34:59] * raster suspects eating it
[06:38:52] <_koen_> nope
[06:39:20] <raster> aaargh. xfbdev compile fail
[06:39:22] <raster> FAIL
[06:39:24] <_koen_> It looks like something in static int omap3evm_twl_gpio_setup(struct device *dev, unsigned gpio, unsigned ngpio) ios going wrong
[06:39:35] <_koen_> raster: kdrive is dead, use Xorg
[06:39:49] <_koen_> having said that, it built for me yesterday
[06:39:54] <raster> actually it is doing xorg
[06:40:07] <raster> NOTE: Running task 5883 of 6077 (ID: 552, /home/raster/oe/org.openembedded.dev/r
[06:40:07] <raster> ecipes/xorg-driver/xf86-video-fbdev_0.4.0.bb, do_compile)
[06:41:22] <raster> oh bollocks to that. got no time to go fix it atm
[06:41:29] <raster> i gots codez to do
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[07:44:11] <_koen_> hmmm
[07:44:22] <_koen_> the problem would seem to be in the twl gpio code
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[08:25:06] <gatotkatja> I have revB7
[08:25:13] <gatotkatja> which one is the right x-loader?
[08:25:19] <gatotkatja> please help me
[08:29:27] <_koen_> there's only one x-loader
[08:29:37] <_koen_> you should use 1.4.2 on all boards
[08:30:58] <gatotkatja> well -- I have changed it to 1.4.1 and it works but not for 1.4.2
[08:33:10] <mru> morning
[08:35:34] <_koen_> hey mru
[08:41:30] <gatotkatja> _koen_: do you have explanation for that?
[08:41:37] <gatotkatja> :-)
[08:41:39] <gatotkatja> mru: morning!
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[08:50:19] <_koen_> gatotkatja: 1.4.2 works fine on all my boards (ranging from A5 to C1)
[08:51:05] * ogra wonders what one does with a A5
[08:57:21] <gatotkatja> _koen_: hohohohoho
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[10:23:55] <mcgeagh> anyone know how to do git format patch with the repo thing?
[10:24:52] <av500> mcgeagh: hi, why do you define all ARM_ARCH 5 to 7?
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[10:26:56] <mcgeagh> u define to 7, but keep the defines for 5 aswell
[10:28:16] <av500> yes, but why?
[10:28:32] <mcgeagh> oh, didnt read the word why lol
[10:29:48] <mcgeagh> basically, its set up so you can add v7 code to replace v5 code... as such, you define both v7 and v5 because currently theres not much with v7 code versions (if its needed at all)...
[10:30:18] <mcgeagh> so when people wanna add neon optimised code for instance, they do it in an ifdef checkign against if its v7... if not, carries on doing if for v5 etc
[10:30:25] <mcgeagh> dunno if im explaining myself well
[10:31:41] <av500> right
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[10:32:43] <mcgeagh> so, ive got some neon code i wanna test... cant atm cuz it doesnt know neon code as its not built for v7 with neon... i add the appropriate cflags and set some defines... so in the code, i check if v7 do neon stuff, elif v5 do normal stuff....... i cant just set arch to v7 and not v5 aswell, as the rest of the code will not run as its ifdef v5 etc........or something along those lines
[10:33:17] <av500> k, i thought the compile might set these by itself if you give the cortex arch...
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[10:33:36] <mcgeagh> apparently not.... well atleast not when i tried
[10:33:43] <mcgeagh> maybe i was doing something wrong lol
[10:33:43] <av500> k
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[10:34:08] <_koen_> setting -mcpu should trigger the __ARMV7__ stuff
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[10:35:04] <av500> mcgeagh: wouldnt the trigger be "if >= ARMV5"
[10:35:27] <mru> what patch are you guys talking about?
[10:35:29] <mcgeagh> for normal code.... it should be yes.... but not everywhere is
[10:35:30] <av500> or did you see explicit checks for = ARMV5?
[10:35:37] <_koen_> mru: the android one
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[10:35:47] <mru> "the" ?
[10:35:55] * mru is missing something
[10:36:07] <mcgeagh> http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/web/android-beagle-armv7.patch
[10:36:10] <av500> mru: patch to make adroid on ompa3 use cortexa8
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[10:36:42] <janneg> _koen_: for the next beagle cube version http://gizmodo.com/5321022/cambrionix-49+port-usb-hub-finally-gives-your-expansive-novelty-thumb-drive-set-a-home
[10:37:53] <av500> put an USB light into each and hang on ceiling...
[10:37:59] <mru> do not *ever*, under any circumstance define symbols starting with _ unless explicitly told to do so
[10:38:46] <av500> mru: the existing code did define the __ARM_ARCH_5__ ...
[10:39:03] <mru> doesn't matter
[10:39:11] <av500> tell google :)
[10:39:17] <mru> stuff starting with _ is reserved and you shouldn't touch it
[10:39:18] <_koen_> av500: I guess google thought C is like javascript
[10:39:34] <_koen_> sweet, my nick is reserved :)
[10:40:01] <mru> exceptions are documented feature-selection macros like _XOPEN_SOURCE
[10:40:21] <av500> so it is up to the compiler to define these based on arch, right?
[10:40:49] <_koen_> Crofton: how well is your knowledge of iUniversal?
[10:40:50] <mru> yes
[10:41:10] <av500> _koen_: it is like Ialltheothers, no?
[10:41:24] <_koen_> av500: more lioke TIalltheothers
[10:41:29] <_koen_> -o somewhere
[10:41:38] <av500> -i random
[10:41:59] <_koen_> it's the non-Visa xDais api
[10:42:07] <av500> _koen_: yes, I know that :-)
[10:42:25] <av500> i guess it allows you to define any struct as in/out arg
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[10:42:36] <av500> and CE will only marshall by size
[10:42:56] <_koen_> https://gforge.ti.com/gf/project/bitblit/ is using it
[10:43:02] <av500> it is "pass this blob to the DSP"
[10:43:18] <av500> ah, niclas
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[10:45:14] * _koen_ looks at mrus c64x work
[10:46:25] <av500> where is it?
[10:46:32] <av500> _koen_: "svn: Repository moved permanently to 'https://gforge.ti.com/svn/bitblit'; please relocate"
[10:46:38] <av500> I guess you need to update the wiki
[10:46:42] <av500> https://gforge.ti.com/gf/project/bitblit/scmsvn/?action=AccessInfo
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[10:49:31] <rkirti> Can somebody point me to why beaglebaord-demo-image build is showing these errors: http://pastebin.com/d18c7c3be ? I am building a standard image, except that I have tweaked my angstrom confs and distro/includes in OE to use my preferred versions of glib/gtk
[10:50:37] <thaytan> rkirti: which version did you 'tweak' glib to?
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[10:50:56] <rkirti> thaytan: 2.18.1
[10:51:10] <thaytan> then I think the error is pretty clear ;)
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[10:51:26] <thaytan> xserver-xorg wants glib >= 2.20.0
[10:51:47] <rkirti> thaytan: but I cant trace to where that setting is being done. I can build xerver-xorg fine without that version too
[10:52:12] <rkirti> thaytan: and I *need* the 2.18.1 version only for my work
[10:52:47] <rkirti> thaytan: I have set my PREFERRED_VERSION to 2.18.1 and have removed all possible traces of the 2.20.1 preference set in the angstrom conf files
[10:54:10] <rkirti> thaytan: besides, I can build other images well with the same settings, but I need features from the beagleboard-demo-image. And this error leads to a truncated,broken image , ~14mb
[10:57:32] <thaytan> I don't know
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[10:57:42] <thaytan> one of the xorg-xserver deps I expect
[10:58:48] <guest___> I am trying to BB with MLO, uboot rc2 and compiled kernel
[10:59:51] <guest___> I am getting error **Unable to use mmc 0:1 for fatload**
[11:00:10] <guest___> Wrong Image Format for bootm command
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[11:00:27] <guest___> wht will be the reasong
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[11:01:13] <guest___> I have set boocmd and bootargs as per http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners#SD_card_setup
[11:02:07] <_koen_> rkirti: why the &$*@&*$@ do you want to change versions of such core components?
[11:02:38] <_koen_> rkirti: those will get upgraded as soon as you install something from the online feeds
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[11:02:59] <rkirti> _koen_: I know its weird, but necessary for me. I am trying to get maemo built with OE and maemo has custom changes to gtk/glib
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[11:03:40] <MHQ> Any expert on SDMA and McBSP here?
[11:03:50] <rkirti> _koen_: I have had success building maemo software on top of other images like gpe for instance. But something there seems to be broken with stuff like locale,so I am trying to base my image now on top of a beagleboard-demo-image
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[11:05:16] <Qm> hey all
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[11:07:16] <Qm> Anyone got video working right?
[11:07:31] <Qm> Because sometimes mine got "wrong"
[11:07:37] <Qm> crashes :|
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[11:35:07] <_koen_> rkirti: last time I looked you didn't really those maemo patches, have a look at what ubuntu and moblin are doing
[11:37:34] <rkirti> _koen_: yeah, they did have support for ui without those glib/gtk changes earlier, but now with the latest relaease things break with those options.
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[12:12:44] <_koen_> rkirti: but isn't maemo QT based nowadays?
[12:14:52] <rkirti> _koen_: they have announced they are switching to Qt. but it will take quite some time to implement it. The latest release is still gtk based
[12:19:27] <ogra> thats why they have the Mer project now ... going on to support gtk with a community effort
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[12:28:31] <dirk2> guest__: "mmcinit" -> "mmc init"?
[12:46:53] <_koen_> I wish people on the mailinglist would just adhere a bit better to netiquette
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[12:48:29] <mru> _koen_: there's only one solution to that problem
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[12:49:39] <av500> I have to be "polite"?
[12:50:19] <mru> tell first-time offenders what they did wrong
[12:50:53] <mru> refuse to answer questions in malformed emails
[12:51:03] <mru> ban repeat offenders from the list
[12:51:05] <koen> I was fearing you'd say "stop reading email"
[12:52:06] <mru> that's just a workaround, not a solution
[12:52:09] <av500> that means you also set up a page describing the netiquette and hiding the subscribe link in it...
[12:52:11] <rkirti> :-D
[12:52:47] <koen> av500: that would just end up with people writing a wiki page on how to get around it
[12:53:25] <av500> and ppl spawning phpBB (hehe) forums coz the ml sucks... :-)
[12:53:40] <koen> we could just exploit those
[12:53:47] <koen> it being phpBB and all
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[12:55:57] <mru> hi jkridner|work
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[12:58:29] <jkridner|work> hi mru.
[12:58:44] <jkridner|work> how's the video wall software coming?
[12:59:34] <av500> koen: you could also make a script that replies "did you google for it?" to every new poster...
[13:00:09] <av500> here it helped, I have ppl sign emails to me with "yes, I googled for it before" :-)
[13:00:57] <koen> av500: btw, I stole your blink remark :)
[13:01:22] <mru> jkridner|work: syncing seems to be working, could use a little more work to make it friendlier
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[13:01:33] <mru> brb, meeting :-(
[13:01:38] <koen> mru: enjoy
[13:01:49] * koen has no confcalls today
[13:02:45] <koen> hmmm
[13:02:55] <koen> the virtualbox installed killed my networking
[13:02:57] <jkridner|work> koen: actually able to get a "no meetings Friday"?
[13:03:26] <koen> jkridner|work: seems like it
[13:03:58] <koen> and the mail on my @ti.com address where pretty much all good news as well
[13:04:17] <koen> were*
[13:06:30] <jkridner|work> makes for a good weekend I hope!
[13:07:05] <koen> a fix for the evm sd problem would do that :)
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[13:08:23] <av500> koen: im sure TI has a working kernel for the EVM somewhere :-)
[13:09:10] <koen> I have a special evm it seems
[13:09:17] <koen> I've used the word 'cursed' before
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[13:13:43] <hre> morning
[13:13:59] <koen> hey there mister typo
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[13:14:09] <hrw> indeed
[13:14:12] <koen> :)
[13:14:22] <hrw> koen: do we have oabi x11-images?
[13:14:25] * jkridner|work checks http://eLinux.org/BeagleBoard/contest
[13:14:30] <hrw> bb in few
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[13:14:57] <_koen_> hrw: try simpad or collie ones
[13:15:10] <_koen_> hrw: btw, gcc 4.4 supports eabi on strongarm
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[13:18:39] <hrw> o.. nice
[13:19:02] <hrw> I have armv5te board with oabi kernel and no sources yet
[13:20:51] <vishal> Hi , are the openmax component for 3430 and beagleboard different ?
[13:22:12] <koen> vishal: IL or DL?
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[13:24:06] <vishal> IL think, the one used in gstreamer . . .
[13:24:52] <vishal> koen: IL think, the one used in gstreamer . . .
[13:25:25] <av500> 3430 is a CPU, BB uses this cpu, so why should they differ?
[13:28:26] <vishal> so you mean to say it works fine , the same binary ?
[13:28:38] <av500> I would say so
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[13:33:03] <mru> _koen_: how is eabi on strongarm any different frome abi on any other arm?
[13:33:56] <av500> it is stronger!
[13:34:23] <sakoman> jkridner|work: just voted
[13:34:54] <_koen_> mru: bx, lr won't work
[13:35:22] <_koen_> mru: and as usual it took years for the simple workaround to get into gcc
[13:35:57] <mru> what does bx lr have to do with anything?
[13:36:17] <mru> except bx not being available on strongarm iirc
[13:36:34] <mru> are you saying gcc emits bx instructions even when it shouldn't?
[13:36:39] <_koen_> 'bx' is a thumbism
[13:36:45] <av500> with no bx, there is no bx lr, no?
[13:37:11] <mru> but eabi doesn't say you must use bx lr
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[13:37:41] <mru> plain old mov pc, lr works fine
[13:38:03] <_koen_> mru: iirc that's not interworking safe non < armv7
[13:38:27] <mru> doesn't matter if you don't have thumb
[13:38:35] <_koen_> right
[13:38:42] <mru> if you have thumb, you have bx
[13:39:08] <_koen_> right
[13:39:18] <Crofton> what does internetworking safe mean?
[13:39:19] <_koen_> but some people want to run binaries on all cpus
[13:39:22] <_koen_> (not me)
[13:39:29] <mru> Crofton: interworking, no net
[13:39:36] <Crofton> ah
[13:39:51] <_koen_> Crofton: basically mixing thumb and arm
[13:39:52] <Crofton> so interworking means runs on many ISA's
[13:40:02] <mru> no
[13:40:36] <mru> interworking is special stubs added by the compiler/linker to allow arm<->thumb calls without bx/blx
[13:40:43] <Crofton> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.faqs/ka3706.html
[13:41:04] <av500> yes
[13:42:03] <mru> thinking about it, I can't really see why it's needed though
[13:42:17] <mru> could be I'm not thinking properly this friday afternoon
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[13:43:03] <srikar_> who owns beagle board?
[13:43:10] <_koen_> Crofton: please have a look at the dvsdk patches for stable posted yesterday
[13:43:13] <_koen_> srikar_: the buyer
[13:43:14] * mru owns 3
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[13:43:26] <srikar_> @koen... i mean who develops it?
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[13:43:30] <mru> _koen_: I didn't buy mine...
[13:43:49] <hrw> I do not own beagleboard. I just have one here
[13:44:48] <srikar_> Is the hardware design of Beagle Board OPEN?
[13:44:54] <Crofton> yes
[13:45:10] <mru> is google down or something?
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[13:48:15] <srikar_> But i guess designs of individual modules such as ARM arent OPEN >..?
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[13:48:56] <av500> srikar_: no :-)
[13:49:09] <av500> ldesnogu: n'est pas?
[13:49:25] <hrw> srikar_: design of device is open. you are free to buy chips and solder own clones of beagleboard
[13:49:46] <hrw> srikar_: how C102 was done is not always open - it depends on C102 vendor
[13:49:47] <srikar_> @hrw -Cool :D
[13:49:50] <_koen_> sweet, I can play the 640x360 bigbuckbunny on the samsung u70 using mplayer on beagle
[13:50:11] <hrw> srikar_: same goes for other components
[13:50:36] <hrw> srikar_: but I heard that ICD10 connector specification was open too
[13:50:59] <srikar_> Is beagle with an intention to support Open hardware development?
[13:51:26] <_koen_> google must indeed be down
[13:51:31] <ldesnogu> av500: indeed :)
[13:51:35] <hrw> exactly
[13:51:38] <av500> google.de is fine
[13:51:45] <hrw> srikar_: you are from China right?
[13:51:49] <av500> .com too
[13:52:01] * hrw do not know which country other then China blocks Google
[13:52:04] <srikar_> @hrw i am from India :D ...why ?
[13:52:50] <av500> .cn and .co.in also work :-)
[13:53:05] <mru> _koen_: 640x360 is nothing
[13:53:19] <srikar_> For me google is working ...I mean .COM
[13:53:27] <_koen_> mru: it needs to get huffman encoded over usb
[13:53:40] <mru> ouch
[13:54:03] <srikar_> If i copy the design of beagle and make a custom one...DO i have to pay beagle something ??
[13:54:05] <_koen_> mru: the u70 is using this: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/libdlo
[13:54:23] <_koen_> srikar_: maybe a few doggie treats
[13:54:48] <srikar_> @koen i didnot understand :P
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[13:55:16] <srikar_> ?
[13:57:55] <mru> _koen_: I didn't know what the u70 was, and since google is down...
[13:58:43] <_koen_> mru: right :)
[13:59:03] <av500> mru: google is down for you coz u know too much already
[13:59:25] <srikar_> If i copy the design of beagle and make a custom one...DO i have to pay beagle something ?? plzz answer...
[13:59:34] <av500> no
[13:59:50] <av500> except the BOM and the manufacturing of course
[13:59:59] <av500> but u get to select hte PCB color
[14:00:06] <_koen_> u70 info: http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-syncmaster-u70-7-inch-usb-companion-display-0533156/
[14:00:22] <hrw> srikar_: you just have to deliver copy for everyone on #beagle
[14:01:01] <av500> prima nocte etc...
[14:01:44] <srikar_> @Hrw...that means it's similar to open source software development model?
[14:02:05] <av500> not really
[14:02:16] <av500> it is just an "open" design
[14:02:52] <av500> srikar_: what are you aiming at?
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[14:03:51] <srikar_> @av500 i just want to know the philosophy behind beagle.I am a free software enthusiasist (www.fsf.org)
[14:04:13] <av500> i see
[14:05:09] <av500> most ppl treat the HW as given and write (os) SW for it
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[14:05:26] <av500> a few try to get HW patches in though...
[14:05:44] <srikar_> if you modify a free software ,you have to put the code open.(GPL License says it) .
[14:07:03] <srikar_> Thanks everyone for the info.I hav to go.Thankyou again :)
[14:07:40] <av500> only if you "distribute", but yeah
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[14:11:00] <srikar_> "Free Embedded Linux Training for Students in India " as seen on the main page ,Is it still there...I mean the programme ?
[14:11:42] <hrw> someone know a tool to unpack jffs2 images?
[14:12:03] <hrw> instead of playing with mtdram etc
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[14:17:52] <srikar_> @hrw http://elinux.org/Didj_How_to_Extract_Files
[14:19:24] <hrw> srikar_: I already told 'without mtdram'
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[14:20:13] <av500> wow, what a lot of cables and pcbs....
[14:20:32] <av500> why not buy a naked TS and a lil SPI controller?
[14:20:47] <koen> av500: the new version only have 1 (tiny) board
[14:20:54] <koen> has*
[14:21:08] <av500> i hope so, the old version has more pcb space than our units...
[14:22:01] <av500> koen: is the "other" part of the libdlo als "open"?
[14:22:10] <_koen_> av500: http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p132/everettnewton/eeepc/th_P3280970.jpg
[14:22:19] <av500> I have nice 7" units with TS that could live on as "displays"
[14:22:39] <av500> _koen_: you call that tiny?
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[14:22:52] <_koen_> av500: I'm using udlfb (which should be in the kernel staging tree) and xf86-video-displaylink (which is mit)
[14:23:07] <_koen_> av500: compared to the old board, yes :)
[14:23:08] <av500> no, I mean the reciever
[14:23:30] <_koen_> the receiver is an asic AIUI
[14:23:30] <av500> at first I thought it is all in the USB plug and the large PCB is for scale :-)
[14:23:46] <av500> yes, but can I mimic that by using the open source SW?
[14:24:01] <av500> I have a davinci to do that
[14:24:27] <_koen_> I suspect you can, there are multiple implementations of the driver detailing the usb protocol
[14:24:48] <av500> err, YOU have a davinci to do that :-)
[14:25:35] <_koen_> av500: http://floe.butterbrot.org/displaylink/doku.php?id=start
[14:27:49] <av500> this reads as if compression was still unsupported?
[14:28:02] * _koen_ dunnos
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[14:30:26] <av500> but u have it working, no?
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[14:32:24] <_koen_> I have X11 working, not sure if roberto is using compression
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[14:33:33] <av500> roberto?
[14:36:04] <_koen_> the guy that wrote the kernel module and x driver
[14:36:17] <_koen_> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libdlo/2009-July/
[14:37:20] <av500> yes, im looking at that now :-)
[14:37:37] <av500> as i said, I want to implement the "other" side of the usb protocoll
[14:37:52] <av500> or even better, convince smb to do it :-)
[14:39:44] <_koen_> smb?
[14:40:15] <_koen_> super maroon bloke?
[14:40:55] <av500> somebody
[14:41:06] <av500> =koen
[14:41:14] <av500> you are free to delegate
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[15:54:44] <kergoth> koen: did you have an opinion on http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openembedded/25323 ? Really needs distro buyin, since I'd have to add entries to their DISTRO_FEATURES to keep current behavior :)
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[16:13:36] <_koen_> kergoth: the whole idea of distro features is misguided
[16:13:50] <_koen_> kergoth: most of the time it's actually used as image features
[16:14:58] <_koen_> kergoth: ask XorA|gone, he has an opinion on madwifi, I don't
[16:15:29] <kergoth> just because that's how its used now doesn't make it misguided. i consider it more about supportability
[16:15:39] <kergoth> does this distro (i.e. for joe random company) want to support, say, wifi
[16:16:29] <_koen_> you mean they want an image with wifi included, right?
[16:16:38] <kergoth> no.
[16:18:39] <kergoth> consider a sniffing app that can optionally sniff wireless, but links against libiw to do it. in that case it acts more like USE than anything else, but it doesn't necessarily have to be via a link
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[16:19:21] <kergoth> personally, i see it as what features / third party bits of the hardware the distro intends to support. maybe thats not what its intended for, but thats how it seems to be treated today
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[16:24:13] <_koen_> kergoth: like I said, I don't have an opinion on madwifi
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[16:24:53] <kergoth> well, i wasn't talking about madwifi, i was talking about the intended usage of the features variables, but if you don't want to talk about that either, that's fine by me
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[16:48:30] <hrw> have a nice weekend all
[16:48:53] <av500> hrw: dont drink too much
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[16:50:50] <hrw> av500: on sunday?
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[18:23:17] <ds2> a
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[18:27:27] <ahi2yo> how many beagles does it take to build a skynet?
[18:28:35] <av500> 42
[18:29:25] <ahi2yo> wow gr8
[18:29:46] <ahi2yo> probably that times 10
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[18:31:20] <lifeeth> probably that to the power 10 :) and it might still fail
[18:31:24] <billenium> Hmm
[18:31:33] <billenium> Why does gumstix use half the power of the beagleboard?
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[18:32:22] <ahi2yo> fail how?
[18:32:51] <av500> billenium: it is half the size, no?
[18:33:06] <billenium> but it puts out the same amount of performance :P
[18:33:21] <billenium> Just with a little less I/O stuff
[18:33:43] <s4wrxttcs2> are you sure the configurations are the same
[18:33:55] <s4wrxttcs2> just a configuration difference in the kernel can save quite a bit of power
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[18:34:06] <s4wrxttcs2> amazing amount of stuff that can be turned on / off
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[18:34:46] <s4wrxttcs2> and is it the overo water or fire?
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[18:34:52] <billenium> Fire
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[18:35:15] <s4wrxttcs2> I think they turned off everything they could because the fire is literally fire if everything is on
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[18:35:25] <billenium> Hmm
[18:35:31] <billenium> Yes, it says with Bluetooth/wifi off
[18:35:34] <s4wrxttcs2> *is just jaded because his fire was one of the defective ones
[18:35:39] <billenium> I wonder what it's like with bluetooth/wifi on
[18:35:41] <Beagle1> Hi Am getting follwoing error when i boot ubuntu
[18:35:45] <Beagle1> your session only lasted less than 10 seconds......
[18:36:09] <billenium> <s4wrxttcs2>: Did you RMA it?
[18:36:15] <Beagle1> can anyone please tell me how to debug it
[18:36:20] <s4wrxttcs2> bill - yep
[18:36:27] <s4wrxttcs2> hopefully I'll get it back soon
[18:36:27] <billenium> and you got a new working one?
[18:36:30] <billenium> oh :\
[18:36:36] <s4wrxttcs2> its a known issue
[18:36:45] <billenium> how worry-some
[18:36:53] <billenium> I might pay an extra 50 dollars for a VERY VERY long warrenty.
[18:37:02] <billenium> like 50 years :)
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[18:38:51] <s4wrxttcs2> the overo earth I have works fine
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[18:39:05] <billenium> :P I want bluetooth/wifi :P
[18:39:11] <billenium> hmm... too many ":P"
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[18:39:33] <s4wrxttcs2> I still think they have a ways to go on their bluetooth / wifi drivers for it
[18:39:41] <s4wrxttcs2> in terms of performance of the wifi
[18:39:50] <billenium> So i should wait for wifi/btooth to get better?
[18:39:52] <s4wrxttcs2> but I'm hoping for the best
[18:40:03] <s4wrxttcs2> I heard bluetooth works fine
[18:40:07] <s4wrxttcs2> but wifi is a little slow
[18:40:12] <billenium> Hmm, then i could control it with my phone!
[18:40:12] <s4wrxttcs2> like around 1megabit/sec
[18:40:30] <s4wrxttcs2> but I haven't verified that claim
[18:40:33] <billenium> I'm going to use it in a wireless ad-hoc way.
[18:40:40] <billenium> so 1mbit/sec is fine.
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[18:41:07] <billenium> but bluetooth seems great :D
[18:41:51] <billenium> <s4wrxttcs2>: what OS would one use? Linux distro?
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[18:42:03] <s4wrxttcs2> yeah, linux
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[18:42:11] <s4wrxttcs2> you can use CE, but I haven't tried it
[18:42:16] <billenium> CE?
[18:42:22] <s4wrxttcs2> windows CE
[18:42:25] <billenium> ah
[18:42:25] <billenium> eww
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[18:42:36] <billenium> :P I meant, which distro did/would you use?
[18:42:38] <s4wrxttcs2> but the fire will come with linux preinstalled
[18:42:44] <billenium> oh
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[18:43:08] <s4wrxttcs2> and on the gumstix site there are instructions on how to do the kernel build, etc
[18:43:13] <s4wrxttcs2> if you want to modify something
[18:43:21] <billenium> I probably wouldn't :P
[18:43:36] <s4wrxttcs2> yeah, I'd just use what it comes with
[18:43:51] <s4wrxttcs2> and occasionally checkout if there are any interesting sd card images for it
[18:44:07] <s4wrxttcs2> if you stick in an SD card it will boot off that
[18:44:16] <billenium> interesting
[18:44:22] <s4wrxttcs2> just don't lose the sd card. Gumstix uses a microsd card
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[18:44:40] <s4wrxttcs2> I've lost mine about a half dozen times
[18:44:42] <billenium> I can't find out how much power it consumes with only wifi or only bluetooth on... Or even both :P
[18:45:08] <billenium> ah, hehe.
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[19:02:13] <Ceriand> what kernel options are needed for SD/MMC card support
[19:02:27] <Crofton> is there a way to view pinmux settings via /sys
[19:02:38] <Ceriand> i tried the defconfig for the beagle board, but it won't find the SD card
[19:03:38] <ds2> Crofton: no, but I am sure patches for that would be greatly appreciated :)
[19:10:19] <ds2> Crofton: by that question, I assume things are not working? what's the symptoms?
[19:10:32] <Crofton> the spi clk does not toggle
[19:11:14] <ds2> and this is the sanity test with the spidev driver?
[19:11:32] <Crofton> yeah
[19:11:35] <Crofton> spidev_tets
[19:11:46] <Crofton> where do they describe the pinmux?
[19:11:51] <ds2> i assume you did finish filling up both of the arrays? (the enum and the MUX()) lines?
[19:12:14] <Crofton> yeah
[19:12:18] <Crofton> btter check
[19:12:32] <ds2> the pinmux changes are described in those 2 places. the linkage is solely determined by the order
[19:13:07] <ds2> the other thing to check for is to make sure you got the right address. the TRM uses 32bit address and talk abit high low, the kernel uses 16bit aligned addresses
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[19:19:49] <ds2> oh and make sure the kernel pinmuxer is enabled in your config
[19:20:15] <Crofton> jackpit
[19:20:19] <Crofton> er jack pot
[19:20:30] <Crofton> thanks
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[19:29:27] <ds> felipec: you around?
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[19:39:16] <koen> Crofton: pinmux config not enabled?
[19:40:06] <Crofton> right
[19:40:11] <Crofton> rebulding
[19:40:17] <qball> hey koen
[19:41:04] <koen> hey qball
[19:46:58] <koen> Crofton: iirc the main mmc mux is broken in the kernel
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[19:49:33] <XorA|gone> koen: mmc mux being broken would explain my zoom problems
[19:49:47] <koen> XorA|gone: right
[19:50:36] <Crofton> ok clk works
[19:50:39] <Crofton> now to try loopback
[19:51:04] <Crofton> we should get the mux fixes into the kernel :)
[19:51:46] <XorA|gone> Crofton: please please :-)
[19:52:13] <Crofton> well
[19:52:29] <Crofton> I'll have an example I'll circulate next week
[19:52:34] <Crofton> if loopback works
[19:53:50] <Crofton> loopback works
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[19:56:04] <koen> Crofton: it echos?
[19:56:08] <Crofton> yeah
[19:56:09] <koen> echos
[19:56:39] <mru> echoes
[19:57:18] <Crofton> http://pastebin.ca/1506095
[19:57:53] <koen> Crofton: you misspelled 'bad'
[19:58:38] <koen> Crofton: is that spi3 or spi4?
[19:59:51] <Crofton> spi 3
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[19:59:57] <Crofton> let me check 4
[20:02:52] <Crofton> 4 works also
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[20:04:57] <koen> so people could use an unmodified uboot?
[20:05:06] * koen isn't into that spi thing
[20:05:11] <Crofton> right
[20:05:27] <_av500_> there is no need to do mux in uboot
[20:05:28] <Crofton> basically, we need to get the mux selection in to the board code
[20:05:38] <Crofton> the kernel devs are for this
[20:05:38] <_av500_> we mux happily in kernel
[20:05:49] <koen> having it in the kernel would be neat
[20:05:53] <Crofton> yeah, we just had issues getting spi working that way
[20:05:59] <_av500_> Crofton: xactlz
[20:06:02] <_av500_> Crofton: xactly
[20:06:13] <Crofton> then, we can select the daughter board and config mux
[20:06:39] <Crofton> still need to deal with different cases were different boards are on the expansion connector
[20:06:40] <Crofton> but
[20:06:49] <Crofton> no need to change u-boot based on what is attached
[20:06:58] <_av500_> yes
[20:07:05] <koen> echo "puppy" > /sys/device/boardmux/boardselect
[20:07:20] <_av500_> we change mux based on what is attached at runtime
[20:07:26] <Crofton> that would be very advancded ..
[20:07:44] <felipec> ds: yeap, kinda :)
[20:07:52] <koen> only 1.5 weeks left till I get to play with new toys at the office :)
[20:08:03] <XorA|gone> koen: new toys?
[20:08:25] <koen> XorA|gone: I'll be at the UK office next week with access to new boards
[20:08:48] <XorA|gone> hehe
[20:08:51] <_av500_> osd3?
[20:08:58] <XorA|gone> pity your the wrong end
[20:09:37] <koen> I suspect OSD3 will the 2010 material if neuros decides to do one that isn't x86 based
[20:09:53] <_av500_> nom they announced it TI based
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[20:10:18] <koen> XorA|gone: I was thinking about doing a weekend of scotland sometime since I'll be in the uk every month
[20:10:29] <_av500_> some future chip/board, so either omap4 or that stb thing
[20:10:31] <XorA|gone> koen: awesome
[20:10:38] <mru> koen: you should come down south once too
[20:10:41] <XorA|gone> koen: free room here as long as someone else isnt in it
[20:10:42] <mru> I'll buy you a beer
[20:11:25] <ds> felipec: I'm starting to work on dspbridge stuff
[20:11:35] <_av500_> mru: i might be near guildford soon, that close?
[20:11:47] <ds> felipec: what is the license on your dsp_bridge.[ch]?
[20:12:13] <mru> _av500_: that's closer than koen
[20:12:29] <mru> if my firefox hadn't just fucked itself up I'd check the map
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[20:13:41] * XorA|gone begins to think he is wrong end of UK
[20:14:06] <mru> XorA|gone: which is your end?
[20:14:12] <XorA|gone> mru: see above :-)
[20:14:30] <mru> scotland?
[20:15:28] <XorA|gone> yeah Edin
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[20:17:26] <koen> _av500_: ah, so they announced it
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[20:23:18] <koen> hmmm
[20:23:26] <koen> funny message on the mailinglist
[20:23:57] <koen> "I compiled my own kernel, but userspace is still angstrom. How can that be when I compiled my own kernel?"
[20:24:08] <muriani> heh
[20:24:25] <Crofton> rofl
[20:24:37] <mru> I replaced foo but bar is unchanged, how, HOW, *HOW*????
[20:24:49] <koen> someone should explain /etc/issue to him
[20:25:04] <koen> and /etc/motd
[20:26:45] <Crofton> my id10t filter must have made me delete it quickly
[20:28:13] <koen> _av500_: I hope they announce the SoC used in the OSD3 soon
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[21:10:47] <ds2> Crofton: what was the problem?
[21:14:53] <felipec> ds: it's LGPL, just like TI's libdspbridge
[21:15:19] <felipec> ds: I wrote most of it, but copied some stuff from libdspbridge
[21:15:40] <ds> felipec: ok, good
[21:18:32] <ds> felipec: there's a chance I might need similar code under MPL or MIT/BSD. Any chance you could relicense it if that need arises?
[21:19:11] <ds> felipec: also, have you done any work to make the dspbridge samples easier to compile?
[21:19:40] <_av500_> even more easy?
[21:19:45] <_av500_> :)
[21:21:33] <felipec> felipec: well, yeah, I could re-license, but TI also holds the copyright (since I copied some code), so we would need to either ask some TI people or rewrite the code I guess
[21:22:03] <felipec> ds: er, ^
[21:22:45] <ds> felipec: I'd be happy to rewrite the necessary parts (within reason)
[21:23:00] <_av500_> why is lgpl not enough?
[21:23:03] <felipec> ds: and I gave up long time ago on trying to make their stuff easier to compile, I wrote my own tests
[21:23:27] <ds> I kinda need dynreg
[21:23:36] <felipec> ds: although maybe I have some Makefiles lying around
[21:23:53] <felipec> ds: I wrote my own dynreg
[21:23:58] <ds> felipec: no worries, if it's not already in git, it's easy enough to do it
[21:24:28] <ds> felipec: really? I missed that
[21:24:58] <felipec> ds: I have a bunch of stuff that I haven't made public yet
[21:25:24] <felipec> ds: but anyway, why do you need dynreg? if it's to register socket nodes you can do that very easily
[21:25:35] <ds2> felipec: am I correct in assuming that all your pages and docs on the DSP only deal with bridge?
[21:26:00] <felipec> ds2: you mean as opposed to dsplink?
[21:26:23] <ds> felipec: I was under the assumption that that was the utility used to upload code
[21:26:44] <_av500_> utility :)
[21:27:36] <felipec> ds: no, the dynamic loader is on the kernel side (we want to change that), you just specify the filename of the .dll64P and the uuid of the socket node
[21:28:38] <felipec> ds: most of the code in dynreg is bloat, the code to load a socket node is one line
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[21:29:14] <ds> felipec: that certainly makes a lot more sense than having to run an external app to load stuff
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[21:30:12] <ds2> felipec: yes
[21:30:21] <felipec> ds: http://github.com/felipec/gst-dsp/commit/565d434b66f89c7d199a5197efc4c7966aa73546
[21:30:32] <ds2> felipec: trying to make heads and tails of all the docs on there
[21:30:58] <felipec> ds2: that's correct, I don't see the point of dsplink, and AFAIK it's going to disappear
[21:32:36] <ds> felipec: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/DSP_Howto
[21:32:47] <ds> so "To load the dynamic node: " is out of date?
[21:32:55] <ds2> felipec: going to is the operative phrase... the underlyingproblem is mixing instructions for link and bridge results in something that doesn't work. And the only firm working DSP example I know of is the Nokias but they don't use either... they are dspgateway
[21:35:16] <felipec> ds: kind of... I learned that trick after I wrote that page probably the dsp-dummy standalone test doesn't have it yet
[21:36:44] <felipec> ds2: I'm not exactly sure what you mean by firm working DSP example
[21:37:24] <_av500_> ds2: i doubt you can mix anything between link and bridge
[21:37:25] <felipec> ds2: when I looked at dspgateway stuff I found difficult to find simple examples to get it up an running
[21:37:52] <felipec> (although I didn't try to hard)
[21:38:12] <ds2> felipec: production quality DSP example
[21:38:23] <ds2> _av500_: yes, I learned that part
[21:38:26] <ds> oops, dsp-dummy doesn't have the dsp_register() code yet
[21:38:30] * ds fix0rs
[21:38:46] <felipec> ds2: in any case, in Nokia we moved to TI's dspbridge, but we are pushing them to re-use the parts that have already been merged to the kernel (which dspgateway uses, btw)
[21:38:56] <_av500_> ds2: course it is confusing that 2 frameworks exist for newcomers
[21:40:18] <ds> is someone maintaining dsplink?
[21:40:53] <ds2> felipec: ah. so when OS2009 or OS2010 comes out, that'd have bridge?
[21:41:30] <koen> ds: bridge is maintained by wtbu, link by catalog
[21:41:42] <koen> ds: it's the story of competing business units
[21:41:43] <felipec> ds: I think there's a group within TI... they hang at #gst-ti or something like that, and I believe jkridner is involved there
[21:42:19] <ds> great. sorry I asked. :)
[21:42:27] <_av500_> ds: yes, ppl are maintaining it
[21:42:57] <felipec> ds2: yeah, I refer to it as Maemo 5 (not really that interested in the closed stuff)
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[21:48:38] <felipec> ds2: have you tried the dspgateway stuff?
[21:49:15] <ds2> felipec: I am a maemo user so in that sense, yes
[21:49:37] <ds2> I am one of those few nuts that would like to see SBC and Vorbis done in the DSP
[21:51:16] <ds> I might get to vorbis after theora and schroedinger
[21:51:37] <koen> ds2: bluez has NEON asm for sbc :)
[21:51:48] <ds2> ds: have you seen lardman's work on the Vorbis stuff?
[21:51:57] <ds2> koen: bluez 4?
[21:51:58] <ds> ds2: no
[21:52:02] <felipec> ds2: what is sbc used for?
[21:52:09] <_av500_> bt audio
[21:52:10] <ds2> felipec: A2DP
[21:52:17] <koen> ds2: yes
[21:52:27] <ds2> aka stereo quality headphone profile
[21:52:29] <_av500_> coz 1mbit is not enuf for audio
[21:52:44] <felipec> oh, right
[21:52:55] <koen> ds2: http://git.kernel.org/?p=bluetooth/bluez.git;a=commitdiff;h=188d5f24a64ef9d2c2809d9ba9158b9e6e187e17
[21:52:57] <_av500_> ds2: but dsp is fixed point, not float
[21:53:34] <ds2> koen: I still think the DSP would be better... that way the ARM can be used for other brute force stuff... like emulating x86 to run a @%$@#$@#%@$@#$@%$%@$%@$ codec from a .dll :/
[21:53:47] <felipec> it would be interesting to see dspgateway ported to omap3 so that it can be used in the beagleboard
[21:54:08] <koen> ds2: I agree that running stuff on the dsp would be better
[21:54:28] <_av500_> ds2: the arm is bored to run tremor...
[21:54:43] <felipec> then maybe lardman's work could be updated and perhaps used on both dspgw and dspbridge
[21:55:17] <ds2> felipec: so gateway only works with the DSP in the 1710 and 2420, not the 2430/3xx0 DSPs?
[21:56:49] <felipec> ds2: I've never seen it working on OMAP3, but I believe Hiroshi has ported pieces of it
[21:57:10] <ds2> I see
[22:01:16] <felipec> properly NEON optimized codecs can perform quite well, and you have to consider that sending data to the DSP back and forth is not precisely cheap
[22:01:20] <ssvb> koen: neon sbc code still can be improved a lot (as can be also seen in TODO marks), a lot more important was to fix bugs so that it can produce sound with non-crap quality
[22:02:19] <felipec> depending on your need (like saving batter power) using the DSP might be actually worst
[22:02:27] <_av500_> yep
[22:02:42] <_av500_> powering the dsp is expensive
[22:02:53] <_av500_> dont do it if you can arm it
[22:03:29] <_av500_> so surely not to listen to a2dp audio only
[22:03:56] <koen> get a bt chip that does pcm->sbc in hw :)
[22:04:25] <ds2> some of us use the NITs to do multiple things and today, the NIT chokes if I decode vorbis (ARM) and run maemo mapper so ARM BT A2DP is not to doable
[22:04:35] <felipec> _av500_: not only that, sending data is also expensive... TI didn't bother to fix what they call 'stream mode' to avoid processor memcpy
[22:04:41] <ds2> koen: I would love that... chuck a mcbsp and be done with
[22:06:01] <felipec> nobody has done any vorbis NEON (or armv6) optimizations, right?
[22:06:13] <_av500_> ds2: i can decode 5.1 ac3 while playing mpeg4 720p on the omap3 and i have no dropouts....
[22:07:12] <ssvb> koen: sbc is really low complexity codec, now it takes ~2% of cpu on beagleboard @500MHz and it still can be easily reduced to something like 1.5% or with some luck probably to 1%
[22:07:42] <_av500_> ill check for sbc load on omap3 next week...
[22:07:50] <ssvb> ds2: on NITs bluetooth driver is also a performance bottleneck for A2DP
[22:08:20] <koen> ssvb: I know have an a2dp capable headset, so I'll check hopefully this weekend :)
[22:08:44] <koen> ssvb: I got lot in moving bluez to udev based init last week to test a3dp
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[22:08:58] <_av500_> koen: the sony one is nice
[22:10:15] <koen> _av500_: I went for this one after failing to find a cheaper one locally: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8422
[22:10:33] <billenium> What is the importance of DSP?
[22:12:35] <_av500_> koen: you have a private salesrep at dealxtreme by now?
[22:12:44] <_av500_> billenium: ?
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[22:13:26] <muriani> koen: I should have tried for something like that
[22:13:40] <koen> _av500_: no, I just blew my last share of angstrom royalties on it last month :)
[22:13:44] <muriani> But meh, the iogear ones I have are ok
[22:14:01] <_av500_> i like these: http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/accessories/overview/hbh-is800?lc=de&cc=de
[22:14:06] <muriani> koen: how's the audio quality?
[22:14:29] <koen> muriani: suprisingly good if you use your own headphones
[22:14:36] <muriani> nice.
[22:14:45] <muriani> The receiver on mine is a bit crackly
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[22:15:15] <muriani> although it might be the phone that's the problem (HTC Dream/G1+Android)
[22:15:53] <koen> but I'm the wrong guy to ask about audio quality
[22:15:59] <muriani> heh
[22:16:15] <muriani> it doesn't bother me that much really
[22:16:38] <muriani> real listening I do with proper headphones or speakers
[22:16:56] <muriani> I got these just for convenience
[22:16:57] <koen> I only get upset by the loudness war and encoding artefacts during drum solos
[22:17:05] <muriani> hah
[22:17:19] <muriani> these would drive you nuts then, probably
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[22:17:29] <muriani> crackling on the crash cymbals
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[22:18:02] <muriani> it's *almost* like there's an amp somewhere being pushed a little too hard, clipping the waveforms
[22:18:21] <muriani> I don't have any other sources to test it with though
[22:18:35] <koen> but I play most of my music with my laptop builtin speakers, so that tends to smooth over problems like that
[22:18:43] <muriani> should probably get a bluetooth adapter for the PC
[22:18:44] <muriani> haha, yeah
[22:18:52] <muriani> not so noticeable then :P
[22:19:23] <koen> I only notice it when a norah jones song comes along
[22:19:37] <_av500_> hmm, i need it to watch video, so i wonder what the delay is ....
[22:19:40] <muriani> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24084628@N05/3746624119/ <-- I'm usually sitting in there when I'm listening, so yeah. Noticeable then :)
[22:19:44] <muriani> aah
[22:19:50] <koen> one of her CDs is done by a sound engineer that isn't an idiot
[22:19:50] <muriani> yeah, Norah's good for quality tests
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[22:20:32] <muriani> check out Diana Krall too. Al Schmidt is an excellent engineer, handles most if not all of her recording.
[22:20:40] <_av500_> muriani: you burn candles in front of the speakers?
[22:21:05] <muriani> _av500_: not currently. The candles don't last too long :p
[22:21:11] <_av500_> warm air sounds warmers?
[22:21:18] <muriani> naw
[22:21:22] <muriani> it was just convenient
[22:21:25] <muriani> and symmetrical.
[22:21:41] <_av500_> i hope you have 0dB candles...
[22:21:46] <muriani> hahaha
[22:21:56] <muriani> I wasn't using those speakers at the time anyway :)
[22:22:07] <muriani> I've a switchbox so I can a/b/c my monitors
[22:22:37] <muriani> well, only a/b at the moment, the towers the other monitors are sitting on are not working at the moment.
[22:22:46] <koen> ah, 0db
[22:22:59] <_av500_> koen: or even less :)
[22:22:59] <muriani> 31-year-old crossovers need a new capacitor :p
[22:23:22] <koen> I got tired of teaching the DJs at the bar where I worked about the importance of 0dB
[22:23:50] <koen> so I put a guy with a walkywalky next to the amps to compensate
[22:24:37] <koen> it's not fun to see the 'clip' light being on continiously on the limiter
[22:24:50] <muriani> eep
[22:25:21] <_av500_> i like the lil lamp in the jbl controls that flickers with the bass :)
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[22:25:31] <_av500_> make it more romantic...
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[22:26:21] <koen> time for bed
[22:26:25] <koen> 'night all
[22:26:27] <muriani> 'nigth
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[22:26:40] <_av500_> same here
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[23:04:20] <s4wrxttcs2> whats the best thing to run under console that lets me determine processor usage?
[23:04:44] <s4wrxttcs2> I've seen a few, but I just wanted to get some opinions
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[23:08:04] <treta> hello ppl, anyone have seen gcc crashing when compiling native in the beagleboard ?
[23:08:07] <s4wrxttcs2> top gives me cpu %, but I'm curios if there is a memory bandwidth indicator
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[23:13:14] <s4wrxttcs2> Hmm, my camera uses has a CPU usage of around 10-12% when using the v4l2 display output driver
[23:13:20] <s4wrxttcs2> and 99.9% using the fbdev
[23:14:56] <s4wrxttcs2> with the fbdev I use mplayer
[23:15:02] <s4wrxttcs2> so it might be converting formats
[23:15:09] <s4wrxttcs2> hence the way larger cpu usage
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