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IRC Log for 2009-10-29

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[00:02:22] <crwper> josee: Can't say for sure. I've only played with them a bit.
[00:02:58] <crwper> Time to make some dinner here, but I've got an Angstrom card up and running, and will do some test here in a bit.
[00:03:04] <crwper> afk
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[00:07:38] <josee> okay thanks for your help. ill keep at it
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[00:41:56] <djlewis> my BeagleBoard's been up 4 days but its going down for a fs test
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[00:54:31] <mru> my beagle has been up 87 days
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[01:01:41] <djlewis> mru: that deserves a WOW!
[01:02:44] <mru> I have another that's been up 57 days
[01:02:58] <mru> the first one is running ffmpeg tests most of the time
[01:03:33] <djlewis> mru: you have talent to not crash them like I do with tests.
[01:03:58] <mru> actually, my testing uncovered a bug in the A8 core
[01:04:10] <djlewis> way to go..
[01:04:21] <mru> and many bugs in compilers
[01:04:34] <djlewis> has it beed addressed by a core repair?
[01:04:37] <djlewis> been
[01:04:57] <mru> heard of the L1NEON bit?
[01:06:03] <djlewis> hmmm, I see your name tied to it a lot.
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[01:18:20] <mru> morning raster
[01:21:34] <raster> mru: maroo! moanin'
[01:22:01] <raster> how goes?
[01:22:18] <mru> same old
[01:22:30] <mru> always more compiler bugs to chase down...
[01:22:45] <raster> it's amazing... i don't hit them too often.
[01:22:47] <raster> c++?
[01:22:50] <mru> c
[01:23:00] <raster> hmmm unusual i have to say
[01:23:29] <raster> perhaps that is the reason for mysterious crashes that happen to e and efl etc. that i just never see nor can i valgrind/find etc. on x86
[01:23:34] <mru> I have 4 failures in the latest armcc release
[01:23:42] <mru> all related to auto-vectorisation
[01:23:42] <raster> might be a compiler bug... but i'm in no mood to find out where :)
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[01:23:56] <raster> ooh arm's optimised compiler? not gcc?
[01:24:05] <raster> forgotten the name of it
[01:24:14] <mru> there are a fair few bugs in gcc too
[01:24:20] <raster> i can imagine
[01:24:27] <mru> especially if you turn on the vectoriser
[01:24:43] <mru> half the tests fail on ppc then
[01:25:01] <prpplague> greetings earthlings
[01:25:03] <raster> last time i actually hit a compiler bug on x86.. was... i think back in like 2000?
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[01:25:16] <raster> gcc has a vectoriser now?
[01:25:20] <raster> (that works)?
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[01:25:26] <mru> only by name
[01:25:35] <mru> been there since 4.3
[01:25:50] <mru> if you're lucky it doesn't make the code slower
[01:25:53] <raster> i need to look. should try it at any rate
[01:25:56] <raster> jahahahahaha
[01:26:04] <mru> or outright wrong
[01:26:15] <raster> what's arm's compiler called again?
[01:26:25] <mru> the executable is called armcc
[01:26:39] <raster> i remeber seeing some gcc vs it tests. they wree close - with arm maybe 5-10% ahead on most.. EXCEPT some mp3 decode test
[01:26:42] <raster> which used 64bit ints
[01:26:48] <mru> it comes with RVDS
[01:26:55] <raster> and arm's cc produced code 2x the speed of gcc
[01:26:57] <mru> that was my test
[01:27:04] <raster> mostly thanks to it auto-vectorising for neon i think
[01:27:05] <raster> aaah
[01:27:15] <mru> no, no vectorising there
[01:27:27] <raster> http://hardwarebug.org/2009/08/05/arm-compiler-shoot-out/
[01:27:33] <mru> it simply did the right thing with some multiplications
[01:27:37] <raster> there we go
[01:27:44] <raster> oooh really?
[01:27:51] <raster> i could have sworn it would be auto-vectorising
[01:28:10] <raster> even jhust going "ooh 64bit values. cant do that on arm.. but neon over here can do it with its eyes closed"
[01:28:18] <raster> and just produce mostly neon code for the ops
[01:28:18] <djlewis> Now that was easy getting static wifi going on gnome
[01:28:39] <mru> more on the gcc madness: http://hardwarebug.org/2009/05/13/gcc-makes-a-mess/
[01:28:55] <mru> that's on ppc, but it's mostly the same wherever you go
[01:29:32] <mru> even worse on arm, since arm has a 32x32->64 multiply-accumulate instruction
[01:29:38] <mru> but gcc doesn't use it
[01:30:12] <raster> bad gcc. bad!
[01:30:34] <raster> i need to poke some guys. i have been forced to use 64bit math recently
[01:30:48] <raster> thankfully just for some table pre-calcs
[01:30:52] <raster> but finally it affects me
[01:32:40] <mru> I need to do another benchmark run with the latest compilers
[01:37:17] <mru> I need to sleep... night all
[01:37:22] <djlewis> gn
[01:37:58] <prpplague> mru later
[01:38:26] <djlewis> ps aux
[01:38:29] <djlewis> oops
[01:39:31] <raster> mru: nite!
[01:44:32] <GPSFan> prpplague: hey dude... I answered most of my questions by poking around it the OE .bb files. u-boot is still a big can of worms.
[01:50:06] <prpplague> GPSFan hence the reason i use apex
[01:50:29] <prpplague> GPSFan apex isn't as robust as u-boot but it sure as hell is a nightmare like u-boot
[01:51:40] <GPSFan> prpplague: I would love to start working on apex for the bb or z2. just don't have the time. ;>( you are preaching to the choir....
[01:52:12] <prpplague> GPSFan indeed, i haven't had time either
[01:52:53] <prpplague> GPSFan this project i'm working on has me swamped
[01:53:52] <prpplague> GPSFan barely had time to fix up the code for the zippy2
[01:54:09] <GPSFan> prpplague: btw none of those patches you pointed me to yesterday apply to the current u-boot. I poked around and found lots of changes since the version that the BB uses. no one seems to be updating the patches to current. maybe I'm jsut not lookint in the right places though.
[01:54:45] <prpplague> GPSFan no iirc the u-boot stuff is a mess
[01:55:07] * GPSFan spells mess MESS
[01:55:39] <prpplague> GPSFan maybe try to find some time next week for some apex work
[01:55:59] <GPSFan> prpplague: no matter, I'll muddle through, it seems that the only important patch is the pinmux one....
[01:56:11] <ds2> GPSFan: what do you need to add to U-boot?
[01:56:20] <GPSFan> to get the zippy working properly.
[01:56:29] <ds2> why do you need to mess with U-boot to get zippy working!?
[01:56:36] <prpplague> ds2 he's doing builds outside of OE
[01:56:37] <ds2> it makes no sense
[01:56:43] <ds2> prpplague: so?
[01:56:57] <ds2> there are very very very few reasons to touch U-boot
[01:57:09] <prpplague> ds2 the git u-boot doesn't seem to be correct
[01:57:12] <GPSFan> ds2: I don't want to add anything to u-boot, I just want to be able to rebuild the working version from source.
[01:57:25] <ds2> GPSFan: oh... as an exercise?
[01:57:38] <ds2> prpplague: which git repo?
[01:57:46] <GPSFan> ds2: as a neccessary part of OSS
[01:58:08] <ds2> GPSFan: gotcha... there are too many folks trying to add too much crap to U-boot :(
[01:58:19] <prpplague> ds2 from denx.de iirc
[01:58:53] <ds2> prpplague: Oh... good luck on that... hope you have a local spiritual advisor and prehaps credit at the local insane assylum
[01:59:31] <GPSFan> ds2: I'm not a real userland guy, I do best in the kernel space and bootloader. I'm fairly new with the BB, and like to understand the lowlevel startup code i.e. ROMcode, MLO u-boot.
[01:59:41] <ds2> prpplague: I suggest starting with one of the other repos
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[02:00:09] <prpplague> ds2 well thats part of the problem it isn't very clear which repo is the correct one
[02:00:13] <ds2> GPSFan: understood... I am not much a userland guy either... I am just irked at the peppering of U-boot with changes that don't belong there
[02:00:20] <GPSFan> ds2: I have a season pass to the local belvue.
[02:00:55] <crwper> I'm having troubles getting MTD utils using git. Wonder if someone here can help. Using this command:
[02:00:57] <crwper> git pull git://git.infradead.org/mtd-utils.git mtd-utils
[02:01:01] <GPSFan> ds2: indeed, u-boot doesn't need more changes. it needs to be a bootloader. period.
[02:01:15] <crwper> I get "fatal: Not a git repository".
[02:01:29] <ds2> GPSFan: try adding a remote branch for - git://gitorious.org/beagleboard-default-u-boot/mainline.git
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[02:01:39] <ds2> GPSFan: try adding a remote branch for - git://gitorious.org/beagleboard-default-u-boot/mainline.git
[02:01:45] <ds2> bah
[02:01:48] <prpplague> ds2 for people like GPSFan and i, we much prefer clean minimal bootloader dev
[02:02:00] <ds2> and diff that remote branch against the denx.de repo
[02:02:41] <ds2> prpplague: from what I see in APEX on the hammer, i want a little more but I there is a lot of U-boot that can go away
[02:03:10] <ds2> GPSFan: that repo (at least at the point I clone'd it) works for me
[02:03:49] <prpplague> ds2 apex has alot more support, i just don't enable it
[02:04:06] <prpplague> ds2 i prefer to keep the bin smaller than 32k
[02:04:10] <GPSFan> this: http://git.denx.de/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=u-boot.git;a=summary and this: http://www.sakoman.net/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=u-boot-omap3.git;a=summary are where I started. and IMHO they both to be the same and currnet/
[02:04:21] <ds2> prpplague: ah, I see... that was my main exposure to Apex
[02:04:38] <ds2> GPSFan: right, sakoman syncs them periodically
[02:04:51] <crwper> I don't see what I'm doing wrong. Checked http://git.infradead.org/mtd-utils.git, and they show the same git:// URL as I'm using.
[02:04:54] <prpplague> ds2 the whole use of xload is lame imho
[02:05:17] <GPSFan> none of the patches from: http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/u-boot/u-boot-git?id=8ded6c1580b907494b0ea95e36d91ca8d64122e8 apply due to them being against an oooold version.
[02:05:33] <ds2> prpplague: depends on what route you traveled
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[02:05:55] <ds2> I "grew up" with the OMAPs booting from NOR so x-loader seems more natural
[02:05:55] <prpplague> ds2 do tell
[02:06:14] <ds2> on NOR there is no X-loader....X-loader is just the "natural" shim to run the same U-boot
[02:06:25] <prpplague> still same point
[02:06:45] <GPSFan> cu all later. need to escape from code for a while... ;>)))
[02:06:49] <prpplague> GPSFan later
[02:07:03] <prpplague> GPSFan before you go
[02:07:10] <ds2> it is like automotive.. if you started with carburators... throttle body injection is the logical next step
[02:07:18] <prpplague> GPSFan should have the first rev of the trainer ready next week
[02:07:37] <ds2> it isn't great but it makes sense
[02:07:46] <prpplague> if you say so
[02:08:58] <ds2> I guess I just prefer to spend as little time in the bootloader as possible (both dev and run time)
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[02:09:29] <ds2> as long as the kernel gets control....
[02:09:42] <prpplague> hehe
[02:09:56] <ds2> pragmatic I think is the term
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[02:11:00] <prpplague> pragmatic only if what you are working on doesn't involve the bootloader
[02:11:23] <ds2> indeed
[02:12:10] <ds2> need more fun projects
[02:12:13] <ds2> ;)
[02:12:23] <prpplague> a full 100% of the test apps i have for the omap3 don't even boot futher than the bootloader, and don't even init the sdram
[02:13:09] <ds2> Mmmmm diag
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[02:34:51] <djlewis> cd /etc
[02:35:17] <djlewis> I gota loose some kybds ;)
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[02:40:52] <crwper> Still trying to get MTD utils. I've tried using this command:
[02:40:54] <crwper> git pull git://git.infradead.org/mtd-utils.git mtd-utils
[02:41:07] <crwper> But I get "fatal: Not a git repository".
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[02:41:15] <crwper> Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
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[02:45:09] <crwper> Alternatively, maybe all this trouble isn't really worth it. I'm pretty new to this stuff, and have been trying to put the filesystem in NAND more or less as an exercise.
[02:45:32] <crwper> But now that I think of it, that seems a bit inflexible. Seems like it might be better to keep the filesystem on the SD card, and perhaps just the kernel in NAND.
[02:45:49] <crwper> Would appreciate any comments from more experienced Linux/BeagleBoard developers.
[02:48:46] <djlewis> flexible is good. then later on after experimentation make it nand maybe.
[02:48:54] <djlewis> I am using SD only.
[02:49:53] <djlewis> I can see a nand advantage for a final model that wouldnt need a SD
[02:51:36] <crwper> djlewis: Are you keeping the kernel on SD as well? Main reason I've moved the kernel into NAND is to boot without hitting the USER button.
[02:52:00] <djlewis> yes and I dont use user button.
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[02:52:43] <crwper> Ah, presumably you are doing this in bootargs/bootcmd?
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[02:53:53] <djlewis> I erase nand 260000 20000 and only set DVI mode
[02:54:23] <djlewis> I think initially I setup nand to boot from SD
[02:54:56] <djlewis> but there is a nand argument to try all options
[02:55:08] <djlewis> I think it is the default
[02:55:21] <djlewis> someone correct me if I am not on track here.
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[02:56:33] <crwper> Aha. So you've copied x-loader and u-boot to NAND, and then erased "u-boot env".
[02:56:48] <djlewis> no never did that
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[02:57:18] <crwper> :-P
[02:57:44] <djlewis> I got mine in April and followed the beginners guide at that time
[02:58:19] <djlewis> Then later with 2.6.29 only erases nand as above and set DVI for my monitor
[02:58:19] <crwper> That's what I've done, as well, but it seems like I've always had to hold the USER button to boot from SD. Otherwise u-boot failed.
[02:58:33] <djlewis> sounds like a wrong arg
[02:58:57] <crwper> Yeah. The NAND erase you mention is clearing "u-boot env", so I wonder if that might get things going for me.
[02:59:20] <crwper> I'll give it a whirl. Thanks for that, and for your input on the NAND/SD issue.
[03:00:34] <crwper> afk
[03:01:27] <djlewis> crwper: MLO, u-boot.bin, uImage on FAT part, file system on ext3
[03:11:19] <ds2> crwper: you want the mtdutils
[03:11:32] <ds2> crwper: flash_eraseall the char device you want
[03:11:41] <ds2> mount it with the desired fs
[03:11:49] <ds2> cp/untar into mount point
[03:11:51] <ds2> umount
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[03:24:16] <djlewis> sakoman__: ping
[03:26:28] <sakoman__> djlewis: pong
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[03:26:46] <djlewis> I been enjoying this latest gnome
[03:27:10] <sakoman__> great! please let me know about any issues you find
[03:28:07] <djlewis> it offers that ' working on a real computer' sensation
[03:28:27] <sakoman__> yeah, performance is better than I expected
[03:28:58] <djlewis> yeah man, the cpu indicator says I just got enhanced to 1.8Ghz ;)
[03:29:00] <sakoman__> I'm sure you noticed geany is there
[03:29:28] <djlewis> done played with it and changed the helloworld.c to test
[03:29:55] <sakoman__> which CPU indicator are you referring to?
[03:30:19] <djlewis> modified the app settings so I get one good file browser window rhather than multiples.
[03:30:46] <djlewis> the panel cpu freq scaling monitor
[03:31:29] <djlewis> I been wrestling with sharing a folder on it.
[03:31:35] <sakoman__> ah, yes
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[03:31:46] <djlewis> using samba sa the share folder button wont open anything
[03:31:51] <djlewis> sa = as
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[03:32:23] <sakoman__> djlewis: the Shared Folders Administration app is broken
[03:32:31] <djlewis> you be around a few? I gotta let my dog out.
[03:32:32] <djlewis> now you say ;)
[03:32:34] <sakoman__> I'm looking at that this eveing
[03:32:42] <sakoman__> yeah, I'll be here for a while
[03:32:46] <djlewis> so samba wont override?
[03:33:01] <sakoman__> you'd have to configure manually
[03:33:15] <djlewis> so far I can share a folder but not access it.
[03:33:22] <djlewis> i'll get it
[03:33:29] <djlewis> bbif
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[03:45:44] <djlewis> back
[03:47:51] <sakoman__> djlewis: edit /usr/share/gnome-system-tools/ui/shares.ui
[03:48:19] <sakoman__> on line 143 change id="label" to id="label1"
[03:49:02] <sakoman__> save and then try System/Administration/Shared Folders menu item
[03:49:10] <sakoman__> hopefully that will fix your issue
[03:53:23] <djlewis> sakoman__: does this tie into the share manager and require a restart?
[03:53:34] <sakoman__> no it shouldn't
[03:53:53] <sakoman__> it just fixes a bug in the admin app
[03:54:02] <sakoman__> that causes a crash on launch
[03:57:33] <djlewis> Any way I approach the share tool I get nothing after the change.
[03:57:59] <djlewis> ls -al
[03:58:02] <djlewis> oops
[04:00:28] <ds> total 0
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[04:01:48] <sakoman__> djlewis: look at ~/.xsession-errors
[04:02:18] <sakoman__> see what errror message you are getting from the Shared Folders app launch
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[04:05:41] <djlewis> ** (shares-admin:2444): CRITICAL **: Error loading UI: Error on line 1 char 1: Document must begin with an element (e.g. <book>)
[04:06:13] <djlewis> actually the first error is about line #'s
[04:06:17] <djlewis> ** (shares-admin:2346): CRITICAL **: Error loading UI: Duplicate object id 'label' on line 144 (previously on line 97)
[04:07:26] <sakoman__> that was the issue that my edit was intended to fix
[04:08:30] <sakoman__> make sure you changed id="label" to id="label1" on line 143
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[04:08:48] <djlewis> line 96 is just '"label"
[04:09:05] <sakoman__> right and 143 should be changed to label1
[04:09:26] <djlewis> <object class="GtkLabel" id="label1">
[04:09:46] <sakoman__> yes
[04:10:03] <djlewis> that is what i did a while ago.
[04:10:07] <sakoman__> that fixes it for me
[04:11:35] <djlewis> using wither the System/Adminisration/Shared Folders or the A File Broswer Edit/ Share FOlder or right click file share == nothing
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[04:11:52] <sakoman__> djlewis: just noticed the other error you posted
[04:11:58] <djlewis> man I must be tired
[04:12:01] <sakoman__> looks like somehow your edit munged something else!
[04:12:03] <djlewis> bad typing
[04:12:11] <djlewis> what?
[04:12:29] <djlewis> I was using nano
[04:12:44] <djlewis> I shoulda backed it up first.
[04:13:19] <crwper> ds2: I was trying to get MTD utils using git earlier, but I keep getting an error, "fatal: Not a git repository".
[04:13:34] <sakoman__> djlewis: hang on, I'll post the fixed file somewhere
[04:14:55] <djlewis> sakoman__: email it to me
[04:15:06] <ds2> crwper: I think there are stable releases... look for a tarball
[04:15:22] <sakoman__> djlewis: it is posted in the gnome folder where you got the image
[04:15:27] <djlewis> ok
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[04:18:44] <joan> how to get s video out for angstrom?
[04:19:51] <joan> anybody there???
[04:20:02] <djlewis> sakoman__: that seems to have gotten it. Sorry I bungled it.
[04:20:12] <sakoman__> no worries
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[04:20:45] <joan> djlewis u know how to get s video out for angstrom???
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[04:22:23] <djlewis> joan: it has been done a lot. Have you gogled for BeagleBoard and video?
[04:22:47] <djlewis> I think it is in the Beagle Validation guide
[04:22:53] <crwper> ds2: I tried following directions to get a snapshot from http://git.infradead.org/mtd-utils.git, but the files I download are 20 bytes. I'm obviously doing something wrong. Any tips on getting the tarball for a stable MTD utils release would be much appreciated.
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[04:25:32] <joan> s video for angstrom anyone knows??
[04:25:56] <ds2> crwper: do a search, it has been a while since I looked
[04:26:13] <ds2> to get s-video out, you wave your hands and poof it appears
[04:26:30] <djlewis> joan: http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleBoardDiagnostics
[04:27:16] <joan> am new to it plz help...
[04:27:24] <djlewis> we did
[04:27:57] <joan> installed the rfs in second parttion..
[04:28:14] <joan> and getting angstrom promt in minicom
[04:28:36] <joan> so how to get the gui form in s video???
[04:29:19] <djlewis> well that is a bit different than just getting s-video.
[04:30:01] <joan> so wat shud i do??
[04:31:34] <ds2> you pay someone to teach it.
[04:32:45] <sakoman__> echo 'tv' > /sys/class/display_control/omap_disp_control
[04:33:19] <ds2> sakoman__ <-- mister cut throatpricing ;)
[04:33:36] <sakoman__> heh
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[04:34:15] <sakoman__> sometimes it is even easier than "here let me google that for you"
[04:34:28] <djlewis> hehee, and rofl
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[04:36:00] <sakoman__> djlewis: find any more bugs?
[04:36:15] <sakoman__> I promise there are many :-)
[04:36:19] <djlewis> still trying to get the share to show ;P
[04:36:39] <sakoman__> sorry I'm not a samba guy :-) you are on your own!
[04:36:57] <djlewis> Oh so it does take samba too?
[04:37:19] <sakoman__> I thought that's what you were trying to do!
[04:37:30] <sakoman__> don't mind me, carry on!
[04:37:45] <djlewis> I was trying to use the utility you just fixed. I aborted the samba fix.
[04:38:31] <sakoman__> yeah, and that utility sets up SMB shared folders
[04:38:43] <djlewis> strange, it let me whare the root and tree but not a folder inside root like /temp'
[04:39:21] <djlewis> well, I'll play with it more,. too late and tired tonight to keep on having too much fun ;)
[04:39:31] <watcher> You guys know what the best recipe in Openembedded that has USB WiFi, SGX, DSP, Gstreamer, X11, etc working?
[04:39:46] * sakoman__ shrugs. I don't know nothin 'bout SMB
[04:39:52] <djlewis> that sounds like a existing image
[04:40:08] <djlewis> I'm ok with smb
[04:40:16] <djlewis> watcher, demos have that already
[04:41:27] * djlewis does not know of a good recipe, can't even cook :(
[04:41:34] <djlewis> gn all
[04:41:40] <sakoman__> gn djlewis
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[04:44:04] <djlewis> sakoman__: thank you for the help and the new images...
[04:44:24] <sakoman__> you are welcome. don't forget to report bugs!
[04:45:43] <watcher> Which recipe would you guys recommend as a good starting point for a hobbyist?
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[04:47:26] <sakoman__> watcher: console image for just the basics, beagleboard-demo-image for the works
[04:49:46] <watcher> ok. thanks
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[04:55:56] <tattee> Hello! Any updates on the beagleEPD? I'm gonna be having the same project and would need any support on beagleboard
[04:58:39] <crwper> Found a source for stable MTD utils tarballs:
[04:58:39] <crwper> ftp://ftp.infradead.org/pub/mtd-utils/
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[06:16:06] <ds> could someone remind me of the name of the CONFIG option for the BB audio driver?
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[06:29:39] <Tej> can anyone help me to run plugins of gstreamer on beagleboard
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[06:34:15] <Guest44548> Hey guys, is there a list of comercial products available made with the beagle board?
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[07:13:22] <kblin> Guest44548: try google?
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[07:27:07] <Guest20563> hi, all! I want to build e17 as window manager, do I need build all sub files in e17 with oe?
[07:28:58] <raster> oe will take care of it for u
[07:29:47] <Guest20563> OE:beagleboard william@william-desktop:~/oe$ bitbake -b e17
[07:30:04] <Guest20563> it dosn't work
[07:30:10] <raster> e-wm
[07:30:15] <raster> look at the recipies
[07:30:47] <Guest20563> OE:beagleboard william@william-desktop:~/oe$ bitbake -b e17 ERROR: Unable to match e17 (20 matches found): ERROR: /home/william/oe/openembedded/recipes/e17/enna_svn.bb ERROR: /home/william/oe/openembedded/recipes/e17/waker_svn.bb ERROR: /home/william/oe/openembedded/recipes/e17/elementary-alarm_svn.bb ERROR: /home/william/oe/openembedded/recipes/e17/essential-dialer_svn.bb ERROR: /home/william/oe/openembedd
[07:31:45] <raster> e-wm
[07:31:51] <raster> look in recipes
[07:32:09] <raster> 6:31PM ~/oe > ls recipes/e17/e-wm_svn.bb
[07:32:09] <raster> 8.0K recipes/e17/e-wm_svn.bb
[07:32:12] <raster> e17 is a directory
[07:32:18] <raster> its not a recipe
[07:32:24] <raster> bitbake builds recipes
[07:32:46] <Guest20563> thanks , I just build e-wm_svn.bb?
[07:33:35] <raster> yes
[07:33:39] <raster> it will build the dependencies
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[07:35:17] <Guest20563> thanks
[07:35:25] <raster> :)
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[07:50:45] <Guest20563> hi, Raster, after bitbake e-wm, nothing product
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[07:55:12] <raster> u may have built the package
[07:55:29] <raster> doesnt mean because its built, it will be installed in your images. look at the image recipe and add it in there
[07:55:32] <raster> then it will be
[07:59:33] <Guest20563> thanks very much
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[08:02:28] <raster> :)
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[08:06:26] <Guest20563> thanks raster, I get it
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[08:14:42] <Hammer> hi I'm using beagleboard and angstroms's demo image, I'm trying to toggle expansion slot's GPIO pins, but they're not working.. any idea?
[08:14:58] <Hammer> the command I used are like this:
[08:15:01] <Hammer> echo 139 > /sys/class/gpio/export
[08:15:01] <Hammer> echo out > /sys/class/gpio/gpio139/direction
[08:15:01] <Hammer> echo 1 or 0 > /sys/class/gpio/gpio139/value
[08:15:40] <Hammer> I checked on pin 3 of the slot and no voltage changes..
[08:18:51] <adj> check your pin muxing
[08:19:19] <raster> hmmm. interesting. clock for clock a pentium-m and omap3 ... are about equivalent performance-wise.
[08:20:36] <raster> (within like 10-20% of eachother. test isnt fair as the omap3 doesnt have good neon asm, x86 has good mmx/sse)
[08:21:14] <ShadowJK> what's the test?
[08:21:20] <raster> ShadowJK: evas.
[08:21:26] <ShadowJK> p-m has bad sse :-)
[08:21:31] <raster> (expedite test suite - rendering)
[08:21:37] <Hammer> adj, is there a way to check in userspace console?
[08:21:39] <raster> well its almsot all mmx
[08:22:02] <raster> sse didnt provide anything useful for 2d except some wider move instrs to punt more bytes in 1 instr around
[08:22:29] <raster> still. neon is almost non existant for the omap3
[08:22:36] <raster> so its a little disadvantaged
[08:23:02] <raster> but...putting thumb in the wind and seeing where its blowing.. id' say they are ballpark the same
[08:23:31] <raster> i just dug out my old pentium-m laptop as i wanted an "easy to work with" platform that approximated the speed of todays modern soc's
[08:24:14] <ShadowJK> you wouldn't happen to have any atom?
[08:24:46] <raster> nup
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[08:25:13] <raster> but its amazing how fast modern desktops are
[08:25:25] <raster> they just rail along doing operations like there's no tomorrow
[08:25:53] <ShadowJK> (and flash still eats 100% CPU)
[08:26:05] <raster> partly due to how its designed
[08:26:09] <raster> its designed to loop and spin
[08:26:15] <raster> most games use 100% cpu too
[08:26:22] <raster> flash is pretty much a game
[08:26:24] <raster> :)
[08:26:32] <raster> (well game engine - 2d one)
[08:29:35] <adj> Hammer: I don't know if there is, sorry. I can only advise to check u-boot sources and kernel config
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[08:33:18] <recalcati> good morning
[08:35:03] <hrw|gone> morning
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[08:37:37] <WeCool_> morning
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[08:50:45] <mru> morning
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[09:07:15] <jox> there anybody here?
[09:08:04] <adj> no, all 140 of us are hiding
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[09:10:58] <mru> adj: if we're hiding we're actually here
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[09:11:31] <jox> great :D ive been using this tutorial http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/db4accfabf02d986/c623a16637625685?lnk=gst&q=gpio+driver&utoken=oEM0py4AAADt1MNSQyAzza8h7Om2E8emWJX0y57wkie6p0U_N5LhtHDU1xfQ1uDPnPr_NCovE4o and i can get the leds doing what i want by using the first example. i cant get them to work however using the 149 and 150 gpio numbers. nor can i get any of the gpio numbers to work. is there som
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[09:20:32] <jox> http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/db4accfabf02d986/c623a16637625685?lnk=gst&q=gpio+driver&utoken=oEM0py4AAADt1MNSQyAzza8h7Om2E8emWJX0y57wkie6p0U_N5LhtHDU1xfQ1uDPnPr_NCovE4o
[09:20:39] <jox> sorry
[09:20:46] <jox> [ 314.443969] Unable to handle kernel pagingc [ 314.451324] pgd = c0004000 [ 314.454040] [00f???022c] *pgd=00000000 [ 314.457702] Internal error: Oops: 5 [#1] PREEMPT [ 314.462341] Modules linked in: [ 314.465423] CPU: 0 Not tainted (2.6.29-omap1 #1)
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[09:20:59] <jox> i just had this error. what does it mean????
[09:21:17] <mru> it means something bad happened
[09:21:31] <mru> post the full error message on pastebin.ca
[09:22:54] <jox> http://pastebin.ca/1647575
[09:23:49] <mru> weird
[09:24:15] <mru> what were you doing?
[09:24:54] <jox> trying to get gpio working with this tutorial http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/db4accfabf02d986/c623a16637625685?lnk=gst&q=gpio+driver&utoken=oEM0py4AAADt1MNSQyAzza8h7Om2E8emWJX0y57wkie6p0U_N5LhtHDU1xfQ1uDPnPr_NCovE4o
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[09:34:59] <jox> mru: there is a chance i may have shorted the pin to +1.8v btw. ill assume that was the cause of the error
[09:37:09] <jox> mru: i do get another error however just before the ANGSTROM logo appears: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/db4accfabf02d986/c623a16637625685?lnk=gst&q=gpio+driver&utoken=oEM0py4AAADt1MNSQyAzza8h7Om2E8emWJX0y57wkie6p0U_N5LhtHDU1xfQ1uDPnPr_NCovE4o
[09:37:15] <jox> grr sorry
[09:37:35] <jox> mru: i do get another error however just before the ANGSTROM logo appears: [ 59.767761] ipv6: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module
[09:37:44] <ldesnogu_> <raster> hmmm. interesting. clock for clock a pentium-m and omap3 ... are about equivalent performance-wise.
[09:37:53] <ldesnogu_> I find this surprising
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[09:41:25] <av500> ldesnogu_: that the omap3 is so fast? :)
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[09:42:28] <ldesnogu_> av500, yes
[09:42:55] <ldesnogu_> unless the P-M frequency is high and the program raster used is memory bound
[09:43:14] <ldesnogu_> in which case scaling frequency to compare them will be meaningless :-)
[09:44:51] <ldesnogu_> an example of a fully cached bench shows that a P-M is about the speed of an A9
[09:45:00] <ldesnogu_> which is faster than A8
[09:45:05] <ldesnogu_> http://www.coremark.org/benchmark/index.php?pg=benchmark
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[09:47:58] <Tejas> Hi
[09:48:09] <Tejas> how can i run gstreamer on beagle board
[09:48:31] <Tejas> i have latest angstrom rootfs image available
[09:48:48] <Tejas> it is running on my beagle board
[09:49:06] <Tejas> it is also having ffmpeg plugin available
[09:49:13] <Tejas> and hoe can i test it
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[09:57:11] <hank> hey i wanted to use the gpio but this tutorial dont work for me http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/db4accfabf02d986/c623a16637625685?lnk=gst&q=gpio+driver&utoken=oEM0py4AAADt1MNSQyAzza8h7Om2E8emWJX0y57wkie6p0U_N5LhtHDU1xfQ1uDPnPr_NCovE4o
[09:59:43] <jox> hank: heh i have same problem
[10:03:33] <jox> i can get the leds working but the gpio
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[10:06:47] <jox> rude
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[10:13:21] <paulg_> cbrake: did you get anywhere yesterday with reproducing the errors?
[10:16:00] <mru> ldesnogu_: my own testing puts p-m faster than omap3
[10:16:05] <mru> I forget by how much
[10:16:58] <ldesnogu_> that's what I'd expect
[10:18:25] <av500> raster overclocks his :)
[10:18:39] <ldesnogu_> he said clock for clock :-)
[10:18:47] <mru> that's what I did too
[10:19:02] <mru> I should do a more thorough test actually
[10:19:15] <mru> I have a good selection of systems...
[10:19:33] <ldesnogu_> was that microbenchmarking or an app that is very dependent on memory speed?
[10:19:38] <mru> ffmpeg in my case
[10:19:49] <ldesnogu_> so not that dependent on memory speed, right?
[10:19:56] <mru> memory speed certainly matters
[10:20:07] <ldesnogu_> for all codecs?
[10:20:12] <mru> any video codec
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[10:20:25] <mru> you're pushing around many megabytes per second
[10:20:41] <ldesnogu_> if the references are local...
[10:20:50] <ldesnogu_> I mean if it's streaming then the impact is less
[10:20:54] <mru> try fitting all the ref frames in 32k cache...
[10:21:10] <ldesnogu_> L2 is what matters here
[10:21:13] <ldesnogu_> not main memory
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[10:21:28] <ldesnogu_> oh well main memory matters
[10:21:28] <mru> L2 is still only a quarter of one frame or so
[10:21:40] <ldesnogu_> in that case it matters :-)
[10:21:46] <mru> and streaming can't go faster than main memory
[10:21:50] <koen> good morning all
[10:21:54] <mru> morning koen
[10:21:56] <ldesnogu_> morning koen
[10:22:20] <ldesnogu_> mru, streaming is usually much faster than random accesses, obviously
[10:22:43] <ldesnogu_> provided your mem controller is not a PoS of course
[10:23:48] <mru> like on the A8...
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[10:24:19] <Tejas> can anyone tell me how can i test ffmpeg plugins of gstreamer on beagle board
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[10:24:20] <mru> and video decoding does a lot of more or less random accesses
[10:24:29] <Tejas> i have latest rootfs image from angstrom
[10:24:44] <ldesnogu_> hopefully OMAP4 will be better: it seems the L2 talks directly to the mem ctrl without going through the interconnect
[10:25:18] <ldesnogu_> that should reduce latency at least, for bandwidth, we'll see :)
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[10:49:14] <Tejas> can any one help me to test gstreamer on beagleboard
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[10:49:34] <Tejas> i have latest rootfs image of angstrom
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[11:20:56] <Tejas> hi av500 can you help me out to check ?
[11:21:11] <av500> Tejas: no, no gst here at all...
[11:21:47] <Tejas> from where i can get ans to my query
[11:22:22] <koen> google?
[11:22:51] <Tejas> so no one here has run gstreamer on beagleboard ?
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[11:24:28] <hrw> I wonder how does using gstreamer on BB differ from using it on desktop
[11:24:45] <av500> it crashes faster?
[11:24:51] <av500> err, slower
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[11:33:49] <mru> av500: slow-motion like a hollywood car crash?
[11:33:53] <mza> anyone got qt with gl es up and running?
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[11:59:36] <raster> ldesnogu_: the code will be hwavily weighted on memory - and it accesses lots, caching will have effects only within routines - and i kind of expected it to have such effects (eg for scaling i use lookup tables to save computes per pixel and i "expect" those tables to live in cache)
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[12:00:59] <ldesnogu_> raster, what are you comparing exactly?
[12:01:28] <raster> evas via expedite
[12:01:52] <raster> so its a combination of a lot of blasting memory around with either no ops or some or complex ops along the way
[12:02:03] <raster> some things are very cache freindly, some not.
[12:05:52] <av500> maybe A8 has a mem-blaster unit?
[12:06:18] <raster> hahahah
[12:06:19] <av500> "mblst r0-r63"
[12:06:23] <raster> actualyl let me run it again
[12:07:09] <raster> the beagleboard.. at 500mhz is beating the petium-m at 600 when you're pretty much just copying memory around
[12:07:33] <koen> raster: that evas 3d mapping, is that sw or gles?
[12:07:35] <raster> right now tho - the more compute heavy tasks are ms in x86 but not neon on arm
[12:09:03] <raster> koen: sw
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[12:10:12] <koen> raster: illume1 is still the preferred touchscreen module for e17?
[12:10:28] <WAHa_06x36> is the u-boot version on the C3 boards available anywhere?
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[12:10:42] <raster> koen: its the only one :)
[12:10:46] <raster> (that works)
[12:11:05] <WAHa_06x36> I noticed that usbtty works in linux on the C3 boards, but doesn't work on other boards running a bootloader downloaded from the wiki.
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[12:23:52] <koen> raster: my main problem with illume is lack of systray support, however ghastly it may be
[12:24:33] <raster> koen: yeah. module doesnt work in top-shelf gadget area
[12:24:42] <raster> systray module is a total hack tho
[12:24:47] <raster> what do u use it for?
[12:25:07] <koen> raster: nm-applet and volumer and backlight
[12:25:11] <koen> -r
[12:25:15] <raster> aaah
[12:25:22] <raster> e has a volume gadget already
[12:25:27] <koen> I suspect e has a volume gadget
[12:25:29] <raster> nm and backlgiht - understand
[12:25:29] <koen> right :)
[12:25:34] <raster> exatl should work.. some day
[12:25:43] <raster> no backlight one tho
[12:25:56] <raster> i'll probabyl add one as all my laptops have some form of backlight to control
[12:25:58] <koen> should take a C coder like 10 minutes :)
[12:26:16] <raster> a bit more than that
[12:26:25] <raster> as u want to do it right
[12:26:25] <koen> either has /sys/class/backlight/<foo>/{max_}brightness or hall
[12:26:30] <raster> ie want to hunt down the bl control file
[12:26:35] <koen> man, I suck at typing today
[12:26:46] <raster> have to build suid root util to access the kernel file sys file
[12:26:47] <raster> etc.
[12:28:12] <raster> but wont get to it now
[12:28:18] <raster> busy with evas adding this 2.5d stuff
[12:28:29] <raster> all objects work. except smart objects
[12:28:43] <raster> tho u'll have problems with things like changn text etc. of a mapped tetx obj
[12:28:55] <raster> it will work but the mapping will be bizarre as u cant check the text size anymore
[12:29:00] <raster> its a semantic problem i'll fix
[12:29:13] <raster> ie
[12:29:15] <raster> when u do
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[12:29:19] <raster> evas_object_geometry_get()
[12:29:25] <raster> what does it return for a mapped object?
[12:29:38] <raster> right now it returns the bounding box of the whole map region
[12:29:38] <av500> NULL?
[12:29:46] <av500> 42?
[12:30:00] <av500> FILE_NOT_FOUND?
[12:30:25] <raster> :-P~
[12:30:36] <koen> the sound of one hand clapping?
[12:30:50] <av500> left or right?
[12:32:23] <mru> middle
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[12:56:06] <koen> _roger_: good morning & thanks for the text!
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[13:08:08] <mru> morning _roger_
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[13:08:28] <mru> I'm planning a new round of compiler shootouts
[13:08:35] <mru> _roger_: any updates from TI?
[13:08:42] <_roger_> hi guys!
[13:09:06] <_roger_> mru - yep, we should sync on new release before your next shoot-out :)
[13:09:28] <_roger_> about to make presentation - BBL
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[13:13:33] <av500> _roger_: roger!
[13:16:59] * prpplague waits for the rain to arrive
[13:17:15] <av500> prpplague: you have a tracking # for it?
[13:17:34] <prpplague> av500: http://i.imwx.com/web/radar/us_dfw_closeradar_plus_usen.jpg
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[13:18:59] * sakoman__ likes that kind of map based tracking :-)
[13:19:32] <prpplague> hehe
[13:19:54] <av500> prpplague: the green goo is approaching?
[13:20:08] <prpplague> av500: yea
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[13:20:36] <av500> run!
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[13:33:24] <rsv> i am trying to port my lcd driver to dss2, i am referring to zoom2 kernel as reference. i get the error: omapfb: no displays
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[13:33:47] <rsv> i have a single lcd display device, i dont know why i get this error
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[14:25:24] <bisco> Hi all
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[14:26:42] <bisco> cbrake: any news about mono?
[14:26:52] <hrw> koen: can angstrom drop PREF_VER_libx11?
[14:29:12] <koen> hrw: I'm inclined to say "yes"
[14:29:31] <cbrake> paulg_: I have reproduced all the issues you are seeing
[14:29:53] <cbrake> paulg_: bisco: testing on a PXA270 platform that used to work with 2.4.2.3 now
[14:30:26] <paulg_> cbrake: bisco asked the question - i was simply thinking about asking it ;o)
[14:30:42] <cbrake> paulg_: :-)
[14:31:23] <paulg_> cbrake: so you get the build issues AND it fails to run?
[14:31:41] <cbrake> paulg_: yes
[14:32:06] <paulg_> cbrake: good!
[14:35:05] <WAHa_06x36> is the u-boot version on the C3 boards available anywhere?
[14:35:50] <adj> that should be the same as on the beagleboard code.google.com page
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[14:38:12] <WAHa_06x36> ah, right.
[14:38:36] <WAHa_06x36> any idea what the difference between the u-boot and u-boot-f files is?
[14:39:19] <WAHa_06x36> also, will it run right on rev B?
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[14:41:16] <adj> it should run fine on B
[14:41:51] <adj> and without looking my guess is that the -f file is meant to be flashed to the NAND flash whereas the one without -f is for SD usage
[14:44:39] <WAHa_06x36> but why are those different?
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[14:46:13] <adj> there might be some funny functionalities as automatic flashing of the u-boot to the flash etc
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[15:01:08] <bisco> my working version of mono on BB is pre Fri Oct 16, so there isn't Khem Raj patch
[15:01:28] <bisco> cbrake: could be this the problem?
[15:04:14] <cbrake> bisco: yes that is possible
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[15:16:21] <koen> hrw: you want to add libx11 > 1.2.0?
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[15:16:43] <koen> hrw: and could you add the nomadik stuff to contrib/angstrom/sort.sh?
[15:16:51] <hrw> koen: I have x11 7.5 in local tree from Martin Jansa
[15:16:56] <hrw> koen: nomadik needs work
[15:17:08] <hrw> it is not usable too much now
[15:17:43] <hrw> koen: and as there are no other devs working on it now I do not want it to be in angstrom yet
[15:18:27] <koen> hrw: having it in sort.sh can't hurt
[15:18:48] <hrw> koen: no time for that, sorry
[15:19:09] <hrw> koen: does TI has a devboard which has two fb?
[15:19:33] <koen> hrw: beagle has 3, davinci 4
[15:20:14] <hrw> koen: but does beagle is able to run dualscreen?
[15:20:18] <koen> yes
[15:20:25] <av500> yes
[15:20:26] <koen> you can have different stuff on svideo and dvi
[15:20:35] <hrw> does x11 supports it?
[15:21:39] <koen> for x11 it's just another /dev/fb
[15:23:05] <koen> I have beagle running with 2 screens, but one is a displaylink unit
[15:23:08] <hrw> good to know
[15:23:40] <hrw> I have a problem now with bug and 2 screens with 2 touchscreens
[15:23:54] <av500> koen: any idea how fast that displaylink stuff updates the screen?
[15:24:25] <cbrake> bisco: paulg_: fails on PXA270 as well. Looking at recent changes ...
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[15:27:12] <koen> av500: depends on what you are doing, it uses a shadowfb on the host side
[15:27:27] <koen> av500: and it has blit support, so scrolling and stuff is pretty fast
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[15:32:10] <av500> koen: obviously I am doing video :)
[15:33:43] <mru> what else would you do with a processor and a display?
[15:34:02] <XorA> heh, there is only pr0n -D
[15:34:28] <mru> music players with fancy specrum analysers are so 90s
[15:39:49] <cbrake> bisco: paulg_: don't see anything so more digging is needed. I'll look at the build errors more when I get a chance, and could be a toolchain/lib incompatiblity as well.
[15:40:07] <cbrake> bisco: if you have a chance, perhaps verify the same files are on a working and non-working system
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[15:40:23] <cbrake> bisco: libmono, etc
[15:40:26] <av500> mru: I guess most ppl here look at the default X screen and are happy :)
[15:40:41] <cbrake> I need to get back to other things now
[15:40:43] <av500> 2 screen, twice the happiness
[15:42:22] <bisco> I'm trying to revert the patch to working version
[15:42:56] <mru> av500: oh, is that why they say they don't like linux?
[15:43:27] <av500> ?
[15:43:38] <mru> "most ppl here look at the default X screen"
[15:43:47] <av500> "and are happy"
[15:44:08] <hrw> x11 question: how to list input devices from x11 session?
[15:46:56] <mru> you shouldn't need to care
[15:47:08] <mru> x11 clients should only concern themselves with events
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[15:50:21] <hrw> mru: I care because I can have 7 touchscreens here
[15:50:48] <av500> hrw likes to touch things...
[15:50:48] <mru> so?
[15:51:08] <mru> set them all up as x input devices and your apps will receive events as appropriate
[15:51:40] <hrw> mru: the problem is that some of them produce noise not data
[15:51:56] <mru> then maybe you should fix that instead
[15:52:22] <koen> better, have somebody else fix it :)
[15:52:25] <hrw> thats the work of other guy ;)
[15:52:53] * XorA is luckilly not another guy
[15:52:59] <hrw> ;dDD
[15:53:04] <mru> XorA is a girl?
[15:53:19] <hrw> mru: neutral
[15:54:42] <av500> hrw: use a diode to rectify the noise, you can generate energy!
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[15:55:56] <mru> use it to power the device
[15:56:15] <mru> PoTS: power over touchscreen
[15:56:27] <av500> "I touch the power..."
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[15:56:55] * mru touched the power a few times, equally shocking every time
[15:57:38] * av500 touched 700V, in contrast to BB survived it...
[15:59:38] <XorA> av500: we told you before, no electro stim play with your beagle
[16:00:12] <hrw> koen: xf86-input-tslib 0.0.6 works much niceer
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[16:00:34] <av500> XorA: I can't, had to send them all back for RMA...
[16:01:14] <XorA> purple wand + beagle == loss of magic smoke
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[16:03:00] <hrw> koen: it is in .dev - add to feeds?
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[16:10:33] <beagle_user> Keyboard & mouse does not work in uImage-2.6.29-r?? some one please help me out!
[16:10:48] <beagle_user> It works fine with uImage-2.6.28, though!
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[16:31:25] <hrw> bye
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[17:00:47] <bisco> cbrake: I maybe found the problem
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[17:01:56] <bisco> now simple hello world works on mono!
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[17:10:02] <cbrake> bisco: great, what did you find?
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[17:17:17] <bisco> cbrake: I only reverted the last Khem Raj commit
[17:17:56] <bisco> in mono_2.4.2.3.bb
[17:18:55] <bisco> I don't know exactly where is the problem yet
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[17:22:59] <blutack_> Hello
[17:23:17] <blutack_> Has anyone had any luck with Ubuntu on the beagleboard with FFmpeg?
[17:23:26] <blutack_> Please :)?
[17:23:30] <blutack_> I'm at my wits end
[17:25:33] <cbrake> bisco: wonder if this broke it: MONO_ARCH_SUPPORT_SIMD_INTRINSICS
[17:26:12] <cbrake> bisco: otherwise patch looks pretty benign
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[17:29:40] <mru> blutack_: what's the problem?
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[17:45:31] <blutack_> Sorry mru
[17:45:55] <blutack_> I get strange errors when attempting to access anything through v4l
[17:46:40] <blutack_> dma_free_coherent: bad page in kernel page table
[17:46:45] <blutack_> that sort of thing
[17:47:04] <blutack_> I just wondered if it worked for anyone else?
[17:47:53] <blutack_> This one as well...
[17:47:53] <blutack_> VIDIOCMCAPTURE: Invalid argument
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[17:49:22] <sakoman__> blutack_: have you tried using the Angstrom image to see if that works better for you?
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[18:18:29] <ds2> morning
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[18:23:30] <PuffTheMagic> what is the /dev file for accessing the mic on an omap 3?
[18:24:47] <mru> PuffTheMagic: you should use alsa
[18:24:53] <mru> unfortunately
[18:25:36] <PuffTheMagic> well yeah, alsa would be "used" but i still figured there had to be a /dev interface for the hardware
[18:25:42] <PuffTheMagic> like /dev/dsp or something
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[18:26:58] <ds2> there is no mic on the omap3
[18:27:09] <khem> cbrake: hi
[18:27:13] <PuffTheMagic> hmmm
[18:27:25] <ds2> unless you plan on measuring vibration on the package or bad leads
[18:27:27] <cbrake> khem: hey
[18:27:33] <ds2> hey khem
[18:27:47] <khem> cbrake: tell me about mono issue
[18:28:11] <khem> hi ds2
[18:28:37] <cbrake> khem: we get the following when running a simple test: http://pastebin.ca/1648157
[18:28:57] <cbrake> khem: bisco says that when he reverts your last mono change, it then works
[18:29:23] <cbrake> khem: all I can figure is the mono-cross-compilation-for-amd64.patch might be messing things up?
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[18:29:29] <cbrake> khem: but I've not looked into it yet
[18:29:55] <khem> cbrake: hmmm that patch
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[18:30:07] <khem> is backported from upstream
[18:30:39] <cbrake> khem: yeah, looks innocent enough to me, but I've not tested myself yet
[18:31:32] <khem> did we use new mono before ?
[18:32:12] <khem> 2.4.2.3 was not default before
[18:32:23] <khem> and I left it as DEFAULT_PREF = -1
[18:32:52] <khem> and what gcc+libc is the system using
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[18:43:27] <cbrake> khem: I have used 2.4.2.3 on a PXA270 system, but its been a few weeks since I tested
[18:46:47] <khem> cbrake: ok was ti before my changes ?
[18:47:33] <cbrake> khem: yes
[18:48:13] <joeR> hey guys
[18:48:58] <joeR> trying to compile some code on the BB
[18:49:14] <joeR> running the latest stable Angstrom build
[18:49:18] <khem> cbrake: 2.4.2.3 wont compile before
[18:49:22] <khem> my changes
[18:49:45] <cbrake> khem: hmm, it did for me. Perhaps it did not compile for x86 target?
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[18:50:37] <khem> mono_cv_sizeof_sunpath=108 was needed
[18:50:47] <mru> autohell...
[18:51:01] <khem> cbrake: you could try to disable the amd64 cross compile patch
[18:51:17] <khem> if anything is different thats it
[18:51:55] <khem> otherwise you could try to remove these defines mono_cv_sizeof_sunpath=108 from site files
[18:52:24] <cbrake> khem: nod, trying now
[18:53:15] <khem> cbrake: whats the cross gcc version you are uisng
[18:53:18] <khem> and glibc
[18:53:21] <khem> and distro ?
[18:53:27] <cbrake> khem: angstrom default
[18:53:37] <khem> ok
[18:53:43] <khem> so it has to be my patch
[18:53:53] <khem> and I think amd64 cross compile could be
[18:54:04] <khem> mucking with native code
[18:57:39] <khem> upstreams mono devs might care less about arm platform
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[18:58:10] <khem> and the patch is a workaround only it was fixed differently on the 2.4 branch
[18:58:23] <khem> but the dev said it would be safe so I thought it is
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[18:59:00] <koen> hrw: the new xf86-input-tslib should show up in the angstrom feeds after the weekend
[18:59:05] <hrw> cool
[18:59:32] <hrw> koen: will request it for stable/2009 soon
[18:59:32] <koen> the autobuilder will be a bit busy with digesting the DISTRO_PR bump :)
[18:59:37] <hrw> ah yes..
[18:59:51] <hrw> koen: so another big sheeva update...
[19:01:35] <khem> koen: http://casper.frontier.nl/
[19:01:51] <khem> amsterdam airport on mashup
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[19:02:37] * koen gets reminded to book tickets for his next trip
[19:02:45] <Crofton> where next?
[19:02:52] <hrw> koen: do *-static lands in devel feeds now?
[19:03:29] <koen> Crofton: the office :)
[19:03:40] <koen> hrw: no, need to teach sort.sh about them first
[19:03:44] <hrw> ok
[19:04:06] <hrw> koen: uk office or us office?
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[19:04:16] * koen has been busy with the am3517-evm rename testing
[19:04:26] <koen> and fixing kernel.bbclass in stable/2009 as well
[19:05:03] <hrw> what was broken?
[19:05:08] <Crofton|work> what is that?
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[19:07:37] <koen> hrw: OE's ass-backward "only stage a few dirs" lacks trace/ which I need
[19:07:49] <hrw> ah
[19:08:14] <hrw> uf.. finally I have :0.0 :0.1
[19:08:21] <koen> on beagle?
[19:08:24] <hrw> on bug
[19:08:39] <hrw> none of my beagles is on
[19:08:43] <koen> prolly without xinerama
[19:09:00] <koen> I wonder how well mergedfb works with simple X drivers
[19:10:12] <hrw> "X +xinerama" == no xrandr
[19:10:22] <hrw> I am lost with all those X extenstions
[19:15:37] <hrw> screen #0: print screen: no dimensions: 640x240 pixels (170x64 millimeters)
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[19:22:19] <tik> hello all. amateur question, but where do i do with my c code? i want to run a program on the bb and i assume its abit more complicated then compiling it on my pc then copying the exec file across??
[19:23:04] <prpplague> tik: basically that is it, just have to use a compiler specifically for the cortex-a8
[19:23:20] <prpplague> tik: compiling on your x86 for arm is called "cross-compiling"
[19:23:39] <prpplague> tik: there are a number of ways you can get a cross-compilier
[19:23:48] <prpplague> tik: OE can do the build for you
[19:23:56] <prpplague> tik: see the elinux.org wiki for instructions
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[19:26:36] <tik> okay so ill look up this cross compiler and see what happens. but then where do i put my exec file? the linux side of the sd card?
[19:27:18] <prpplague> tik: correct, you can copy the executable to your sd card's root file system
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[19:35:57] <tik> okay so i copy the exec file onto the linux half. anywhere in particular? is there some special setting for the compiler? when i used borland to write code for the beck i had to change the instruction set
[19:37:16] <archae0pteryx> Can anyone comment on the state of smart reflex?
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[19:38:32] <archae0pteryx> Actually I may have found info
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[19:39:54] <prpplague> archae0pteryx: the smart reflex wiki pages have been active lately on elinux.org, probably updated info there
[19:40:56] <koen> archae0pteryx: bottom line: you want >ES3.0 silicon
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[19:56:54] <sakoman__> koen: I get an unstatisfied dependency error when including abiword-meta in an image
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[19:57:37] <sakoman__> koen: complaint is about abiword-clipart and abiword-icons - both seem to be empty packages
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[20:05:47] <sakoman__> koen: looks like the .inc file tries to package up a bunch of stuff that doesn't exist in recent releases
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[20:10:50] <eFfeM> koen, how did the exam go ?
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[20:47:12] <cbrake> khem: yeah, I reverted the patch and it works fine now
[20:47:54] <cbrake> khem: actually just removed the mono-cross-compilation-for-amd64.patch
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[21:19:23] <ds2> Hmmm
[21:21:39] <sakoman__> Hmmm?
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[21:26:27] <khem> cbrake: cool.
[21:26:39] <khem> cbrake: can you make that patch conditional ?
[21:26:46] <ds2> Yes, Hmmm on the S/N of the list
[21:26:46] <khem> like apply only if target is x86
[21:26:58] <cbrake> khem: yes, I think so -- I'll take a look at that tomorrow
[21:27:06] <khem> cbrake: thx,
[21:27:17] <ds2> run patches through CPP before sending it to patch ;)
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[21:29:12] <khem> ds2: is it with mono context ?
[21:29:18] <ds2> khem: :)
[21:29:29] <khem> well the error is a runtime error.
[21:29:45] <khem> and the patch helps on x86 but breaks on arm at runtime
[21:30:08] <khem> so CPP wont help here
[21:30:27] <ds2> no... was saying run the patch file through cpp prior to applying it
[21:30:48] <ds2> so it won't apply if the relevant ARM symbols are there
[21:31:13] <khem> we have another OE'ish way of applying patches conditionally
[21:31:32] <khem> good old overrides
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[21:32:24] <ds2> ah
[21:33:38] <khem> cbrake: I might backport the _real_ patch from upstream
[21:33:48] <khem> instead of the workaround
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[21:34:08] <cbrake> khem: yes, that would be better
[21:35:34] <khem> cbrake: yes
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[21:55:46] <koen> sakoman__: have a look at the patches at http://dominion.thruhere.net/git/cgit.cgi/openembedded/log/
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[22:01:47] <sakoman__> koen: seems reasonable, I'll give it a try
[22:02:41] <ds2> sakoman__: are you still going to try to hack up a sample EEPROM id implementation for the Overo stuff?
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[22:03:59] <sakoman__> ds2: It is still on my list, but has been bumped down by a bunch of other stuff
[22:04:33] <sakoman__> been swamped lately
[22:04:46] <ds2> sakoman__: do you have a rough design?
[22:05:53] <sakoman__> not really, just some ideas floating in my head :-)
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[22:09:56] <koen> sakoman__: there is a new patchset for omap3 muxing :)
[22:10:13] <sakoman__> yeah, I saw that!
[22:13:02] <sakoman__> koen: did you ever build your "beagle cube"?
[22:13:30] <koen> sakoman__: still waiting on bill to send the actual casing
[22:13:57] <koen> sakoman__: I do have 3 (and a half) beagles with a zippy now, which are getting hooked up this weekend
[22:14:08] <ds2> koen: how many are you putting in there?
[22:14:28] <sakoman__> what sw were you planning on using to test?
[22:14:30] <koen> as much omap3s as I have networking for
[22:14:38] <koen> sakoman__: distcc to start with
[22:15:05] <koen> ds2: so 4 beagles with a zippy, 2 beagles with usb ethernet dongles, 1 evm, 1 zoom1 for the time being
[22:15:52] <koen> I should probably get a chestnut or tobi for my gumstix water proto with broken lcd connectors
[22:16:23] <ds2> you got a Zoom1? :D
[22:16:33] <koen> yes
[22:16:48] <ds2> did it show signs of being thrown against a wall multiple times?
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[22:16:52] <koen> with a molex +5V soldered on because of the *$(@*$(@( charging logic
[22:17:23] <ds2> the charging logic is fine
[22:17:27] <ds2> you need the bqiXXXX driver
[22:17:41] <ds2> koen: does the wifi/bt/gsm work on yours?
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[22:18:58] <koen> haven't tried that
[22:18:58] <koen> since I haven't been able to find a kernel that worked reliably
[22:19:08] <koen> looking at it is under the "make desk visible again" undertaking
[22:19:22] <ds2> oh... surprised that you have that issue
[22:19:36] <ds2> I just ran into a stone wall wrt to any of the radios
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[22:41:32] <koen> sakoman__: http://hackaday.com/2009/10/26/head-mounted-computer/
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[22:42:33] <sakoman__> koen: yeah, I saw that! cool project
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[22:48:00] <ThomasEgi> if you add a phone-module... would make the iphone look like old stuff :P
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[23:07:05] <felipec> mru: it seems FFmpeg cannot decode H.264 if NAL units are fed separately
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[23:08:20] <felipec> do you know if that's valid H.264 data?
[23:10:14] <mru> ffmpeg probably wants a the data for one frame at a time
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[23:14:29] <felipec> mru: right, but is that how data should come from rtp? or containers?
[23:15:32] <mru> depends on the container
[23:15:48] <mru> mp4 should split it nicely into frames
[23:15:54] <mru> mpeg ps/ts certainly don't
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[23:18:10] <felipec> mru: hmm, how about the bytestream format? annex B?
[23:18:33] <felipec> should rtp use annex b or mp4 spec?
[23:18:49] <mru> rtp probably uses something entirely different
[23:18:57] <mru> that's the rtp way
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[23:21:48] <felipec> mru: well, that's true, but most probably it doesn't have any concept of frames
[23:22:18] <mru> I don't know how rtp packetises h264
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[23:32:21] <GrizzlyAdams> yay, 44 hrs until i order my replacement beagle
[23:34:06] <felipec> mru: well, I greped the RFC for 'frame' and couldn't find anything
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[23:34:59] <felipec> mru: I'm not sure if it would make more sense to group NAL units into frames in the depayloader, or modify the decoder to accept independent NAL units
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[23:53:25] <GrizzlyAdams> beagle or igepv2 :/
[23:54:31] <GrizzlyAdams> dunno if its worth $50 extra for double ram, double flash, and ethernet :/
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[23:56:12] <GrizzlyAdams> gah, 3 weeks backorder :(
[23:56:21] <djlewis> sure was nice to get the BB revC with dbl ram for the price of the revB
[23:56:28] <djlewis> hi GrizzlyAdams
[23:56:35] <GrizzlyAdams> hey
[23:57:33] <djlewis> an ethernet addon like Zippy will get you up to the extra money on a BB.
[23:58:10] <GrizzlyAdams> well i have a trendnet adapter already (which i bought for seymour)
[23:58:31] <djlewis> GrizzlyAdams: have you sent your board off to Gerald yet?
[23:58:48] <GrizzlyAdams> nah, its really toast, i looked and the omap is burnt
[23:58:58] <djlewis> oh :(
[23:59:30] <GrizzlyAdams> i'll salvage the connectors off the board, but omap + ram chips were oozing brown stuff
[23:59:44] <djlewis> yep, sounds bad.

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