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IRC Log for 2009-11-04

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[00:50:43] <surferdude> Anyone running 0xdroid on the beagleboard and know of a compatable usb wifi card?
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[01:36:24] <ds2> quiet day
[01:42:12] <djlewis> quiet night
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[01:52:56] <djlewis> man! this opencv is dog slow...
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[01:54:00] <djlewis> ooh, didn't mean to scare him away..
[02:01:27] <mru> opencv is meant for intel chips only
[02:02:58] <mru> remember, anything with open in the name isn't
[02:03:07] <ds2> interesting choice of words...
[02:03:10] <ds2> dog.. beagle... ;)
[02:03:33] <djlewis> hehee, hi ds2 and mru
[02:03:49] <ds2> mru: are you traveling?
[02:03:51] <mru> ds2: leopardboard might be faster? ;-)
[02:04:00] <mru> ds2: no, I'm at home
[02:04:11] <ds2> certainly... long legs, springy backbone... ;)
[02:04:18] <ds2> mru: isn't this an odd hour for you?
[02:04:26] <mru> it's 2 o'clock
[02:04:28] <mru> an even hour
[02:04:36] <ds2> 0200 or 1400?
[02:04:40] <mru> 2am
[02:04:52] <ds2> 'k
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[02:05:11] <mru> yeah, I've been away from irc today
[02:05:38] <mru> meeting with TI
[02:05:53] <mru> not allowed to talk about details ;-)
[02:05:55] <ds2> what part?
[02:06:04] <mru> omap4/netra
[02:06:11] <ds2> ah nice
[02:06:30] <djlewis> mru: you joing them too?
[02:06:55] <djlewis> ti?
[02:07:31] <mru> possibly as a consultant/contractor
[02:08:24] <mru> as I said to them, I'll listen to anyone who talks to me
[02:08:56] <mru> qualcomm etc aren't talking...
[02:09:27] <ds2> I am sure you can get them talking... just announce you will be providing an open source CDMA impleementation ;)
[02:09:34] <mru> ARM are talking
[02:09:45] <mru> but in chip terms, they're a subset of TI ;-)
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[03:32:29] <tahsin> hello
[03:35:43] <tahsin> can anyone help me with buid_deb.sh to work from lunchpad
[03:37:13] <rcn-ee> tahsin, what problem are you having with it?
[03:38:37] <tahsin> i am geting few /bin/sh: line0: [: -gt: unary operator expected
[03:38:53] <tahsin> and in the end i am getting dpkg-gencontrol: error: package linux-image-2.6.29-x45.2 not in control info
[03:38:55] <tahsin> and it fails
[03:39:05] <tahsin> but the other scripts works fine
[03:40:14] <tahsin> as for /bin/sh: line0: [: -gt: unary operator expected < there are more like that but its '-lt, -eq'.... etc....
[03:40:27] <rcn-ee> tahsin, the first is a bashism, (i should run test that one), the second is a make-kpkg bug. (ran into that with my builder last week) either force an upgrade to squeeze's make-kpkg or use "make deb-pkg" in 2.6.32's..
[03:41:41] <tahsin> well i my bin/sh is linked to bash
[03:42:06] <rcn-ee> which repo was it, 2.6-?
[03:42:29] <tahsin> my kernel? or launchpad?
[03:43:10] <rcn-ee> the launchpad one, i think all the build_deb's are simliar, but i might have modified one already...
[03:43:52] <tahsin> 2.6.29
[03:44:09] <tahsin> i have have the 2.6.31 which does the same thing
[03:44:22] <tahsin> also have*
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[03:51:36] <rcn-ee> tahsin, took a little bit, (i need more beagles), but for reference what host are you using?
[03:52:30] <tahsin> i am using ubuntu
[03:52:59] <tahsin> well take your time.. thanks for helping though
[03:54:24] <tahsin> the main reason i am recompiling is because i want to use the expantion as standard gpios so i enabled the omap-mux switch
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[03:55:07] <tahsin> and i have uimage compiled fine and it works
[03:56:13] <rcn-ee> tahsin, yeah the dpkg-gencontrol you'll have to use squeeze's package, ran into that with my chroot's.. version >= kernel-package_12.021_all.deb
[03:57:04] <tahsin> where can i find that?
[03:57:18] <rcn-ee> http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-package/kernel-package_12.021_all.deb
[03:57:52] <rcn-ee> but give me a week or two, all the launchpad's should be converted to "make deb-pkg"
[03:58:25] <tahsin> i see
[03:58:37] <rcn-ee> debuild would be better, but i'm not a deb expert yet... ;)
[03:58:43] <tahsin> same here
[03:58:50] <tahsin> this is the first time iever ran into thise problem
[03:58:56] <tahsin> its my first cross compile
[03:59:26] <tahsin> i think i compiled the kernel 10 times today
[04:00:14] <raster> aaah cross-compiling
[04:00:15] <raster> the joys
[04:00:44] <tahsin> lol yes.. i tried doing it in the beagle.. lol took 1 day..
[04:00:54] <rcn-ee> that's a good start... hopefully my scripts make things easier.. it'd stick with 2.6-dev for the moment, 2.6-stable's going to get obsoleted pretty quick..
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[04:01:32] <rcn-ee> it's not that bad... my beagle takes 4-6 hours to build one linux-image*.deb file you see on rcn-ee.net..
[04:01:42] <raster> tahsin: oh hell no. native compiling on device is not for those without a small mountain of patience
[04:02:26] <raster> cross-compiling is fast... but it coems with joy of its own
[04:02:30] <tahsin> haha well i was testing how long it will last the battery pack i made for it
[04:02:53] <rcn-ee> good test, sure keeps the core at 100%..
[04:03:09] <tahsin> yes it does...
[04:03:24] <tahsin> well mine is oc'ed to 600mhz
[04:03:33] <rcn-ee> another fun one, is the gcc-testsuite...
[04:03:45] <tahsin> hmm what is that?
[04:04:35] <rcn-ee> basicly build gcc from source, then run a verification testsetup, depending on what you enable it can keep the beagle busy 18-36 hours...
[04:05:15] <tahsin> ......... it takes my quad core to compile 2 hrs to compile for the beagle in VM
[04:05:18] <tahsin> i pass on that
[04:06:21] <tahsin> sorry for the grammer mistakes i am making... i am beat from this compiling... cant think anymore
[04:07:41] <tahsin> <rcn-ee> < -- you are amazing!
[04:09:18] <rcn-ee> thanks! kernel-package worked for you? I really don't know why that all of sudden needed, i've been building 2.6.29 for awhile now, but that error just poped up last month..
[04:10:20] <tahsin> well i am having no errors yet.. not even those '-lt'.. its almost finished... tho
[04:10:34] <tahsin> hmm well your script is the only one that actually did something
[04:10:56] <tahsin> others i have read either werent clear or didnt work at all
[04:12:20] <rcn-ee> ugh, yeah the make_kpkg in 2.6.29 was my first go, yuck... KERNEL dir should have been rm-'d..
[04:12:48] <tahsin> yea
[04:13:23] <rcn-ee> i'll push a couple changes tonight... Basicly these scripts i use to develop, 30mins to hack on an x86, 6 hours on an arm, so they have to work. ;)
[04:13:42] <tahsin> well you are doing amazing job
[04:15:06] <rcn-ee> really wish my sheevaplug was working, it's got more umpth for these scripts... Give it time tahsin, it'll come natural after awhile..
[04:15:23] <tahsin> haha
[04:16:29] <tahsin> well i am getting hang of this cross compiling
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[04:18:09] <tahsin> how many beagle do you have?
[04:18:25] <rcn-ee> still running? or grand total?
[04:18:48] <tahsin> hah both
[04:19:13] <raster> tahsin: btwe. 600 isnt oc'ing - thats the clocked rate it can actually handle.
[04:19:26] <raster> tahsin: u should be able to play with higher clicks - 700, 800 maybe
[04:20:09] <tahsin> <raster> well i dont know tho go beyond that.. like the code for it..
[04:20:12] <rcn-ee> 2 running 24/7, with a hot spare, 2 inoperable, and 1 at work... ;)
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[04:20:47] <tahsin> rcn-ee> nice.. i am just borrowing one from my professor
[04:20:50] <raster> tahsin: as i said. 600 is the blessed clockrate. not an overclocked state
[04:20:53] <raster> no ocing there
[04:21:10] <raster> 700, 800... thqats ocing
[04:22:03] <tahsin> raster> i see.. well the thing is i dont know how to go beyond 600 because thats all my prof gave the code to
[04:22:31] <raster> sure
[04:22:35] <raster> i havent tried either
[04:22:38] <raster> just as an example
[04:22:55] <raster> the samsung s3c64310 is rated for 667mhz
[04:23:07] <raster> u will find many running at 400, 532 etcx. mhz - to save power and heat
[04:23:13] <raster> but... i have another 6401 at 800mhz here
[04:23:16] <ds2> s3c64310?
[04:23:22] <raster> because.. it actually can be overclocked without problems
[04:23:25] <tahsin> raster> yea i am aware of they can go that fast but its hard to find someone who done it
[04:23:33] <ds2> what core isthe 64310?
[04:23:37] <raster> it was just specced very conservatively
[04:23:46] <raster> ds2: err s3c6410
[04:23:52] <ds2> oh
[04:24:07] <raster> armv6
[04:24:22] <tahsin> and this is my first arm board
[04:24:31] <ds2> seem to recall they also have a cortex in the works?
[04:24:45] <raster> ds2: already out and kicking
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[04:24:55] <ds2> what pn?
[04:24:55] <tahsin> the beagle has cortex
[04:25:07] <raster> ds2: c110/c110 (the iphone 3gs uses samsungs c110 i believe
[04:25:12] <raster> s5pc110
[04:25:37] <raster> rated for 800mhz (but quietly known to clock at 1ghz if u want)
[04:25:43] <raster> also has an sgx ala bb
[04:25:45] <ds2> is that catalog?
[04:26:01] <raster> no dsp - instead fixed function hw - jpeg, h263/4 decode etc.
[04:26:11] <raster> i understand it is rated to do 1080p playback
[04:26:16] <ds2> sounds more like a davinci
[04:26:27] <raster> umm i understand its the 25pc110 for the part number/nam,e
[04:26:34] <raster> beyond that - not sure what other names it may have
[04:26:46] <raster> (or the short form - c110 is what many seem to call it)
[04:26:48] <ds2> hmmm
[04:27:14] <raster> its a fast little bugger
[04:27:22] <raster> it does pip the omap3
[04:27:25] <raster> by a good margin
[04:27:36] <raster> at least in the benchmarks i saw by about 50%
[04:28:07] <raster> (from memory - vs 600mhz omap3430)
[04:28:29] <raster> i think it has higher clocked memory - so thats probably mostly why (other than 800 vs 600mhz)
[04:28:36] <tahsin> not bad
[04:28:50] <raster> better memory always helps my benchmarks :)
[04:28:54] <tahsin> oh yes
[04:29:09] <raster> in a recent benchmark done on a c110
[04:29:22] <raster> it clocks in at 79.88
[04:29:45] <tahsin> wow
[04:30:21] <raster> oh thats not so amazing.. its what that is relative to
[04:30:35] <tahsin> i know
[04:30:35] <raster> thats just an averafe fps rating through all the tests
[04:30:44] <raster> just doing an updated run on my desktop
[04:30:54] <raster> but i think that should clokc in about 1/.10th the speed of my desktop
[04:31:00] <tahsin> so since we are talking about clock speed... do you know where i can get info on how the clocking code works?
[04:31:00] <raster> and thats a 2ghz core2
[04:31:02] <raster> err 3ghz
[04:31:28] <ds2> raster: does your bench mark look at power usage at all?
[04:32:02] <raster> ds2: nup. as 1. dont have anything to really measure it
[04:32:09] <raster> 2. "someone elses problem" :)
[04:32:15] <raster> 500.30
[04:32:16] <ds2> I see.
[04:32:41] <raster> ooh oops
[04:32:49] <raster> i had cpu on "ondemand
[04:32:50] <raster> redo
[04:33:02] <ds2> heh
[04:33:32] <raster> core 2 duo, 3ghz, 4m l2, and it's using mmx+sse as well.
[04:33:45] <tahsin> <rcn-ee> it successfully compiled and the .deb is there... thanks!!!
[04:33:50] <raster> the c110 is not using any accelerated neon asm
[04:33:54] <raster> (worth talking about)
[04:33:58] <ds2> isn'tthat a 20-30W monster?
[04:34:16] <tahsin> lol mine is 102W
[04:34:18] <raster> the c110 or core2?
[04:34:22] <ds2> core2
[04:34:30] <raster> oh the core2 will chew power
[04:34:43] <raster> i dont even "bother" worrying about it
[04:34:49] <ds2> hah
[04:35:02] <ds2> I'd eliminate it on the basis of that
[04:35:25] <raster> i'm not concerned about power - concerned about "if i wrote something to do X on desktop - and its smooth/nice there... how nice will it be on the target?"
[04:35:44] <ds2> different interests I see
[04:35:47] <raster> 594.78 vs 79.88
[04:36:16] <raster> so 7.45 times faster
[04:36:20] <raster> thats not bad at all
[04:36:30] <raster> my desktop is only 7.5 times faster or so
[04:36:41] <rcn-ee> tahsin, cool, and this was on an x86 host? the CC changed to angstrom's gcc was enough?
[04:36:55] <raster> yeah - my interests are the "user experience" on the screen
[04:37:08] <raster> how smooth is it, how many effects can i get away with before it "chugs" etc.
[04:37:14] <raster> on a desktop i can get away with blue murder
[04:37:25] <ds2> that's tertary, IMO... how long will it run and high small can it be
[04:37:47] <raster> i dont have any say in that dept
[04:37:55] <raster> that comes pre-designed/built
[04:38:05] <raster> so.. i just want to get the most out of it
[04:38:36] <raster> also it spends most of its time asleep or idle - so its only useful "When doing something"
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[04:38:43] <raster> eg scrolling, flipping through things, etc. etc.
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[04:38:58] <ds2> I likethings to last a long time even when doing a lot of things
[04:39:31] <tahsin> rcn-ee> yes i just changed the CC to the arm tool chain and cross compile also to the arm tool chain link
[04:39:32] <raster> problem is - users. i mean consumers. they want "nice"
[04:39:44] <raster> hell americans have been driving suv's and buyoing them by the boatload for many years
[04:39:51] <raster> o interest in efficiency
[04:40:09] <raster> people dont choose a phone on "talk time + standby time" numbers
[04:40:21] <ds2> depends on which group... there are folks who consider battery life more important as they do use it true mobile mode
[04:40:23] <tahsin> rcn-ee> i will run also in the angstrom and see
[04:40:25] <raster> they choose the one that they can afford, and makes them go "goooh aaaah yum"
[04:40:28] <raster> :)
[04:40:39] <raster> ds2: there are. but they are a minority
[04:40:46] <ds2> well, difference between toys and real tools :D
[04:41:12] <raster> not really. depends what you do.
[04:41:19] <raster> and you dont even know the numbers?
[04:41:27] <raster> maybe its 8hrs vs 7.5hrs?
[04:41:33] <raster> no numbers.
[04:41:37] <raster> so its speculation. :)
[04:41:44] <rcn-ee> tahsin, i actually never tried to cross build a *.deb.... Assumed changing CC would work, i trust angstrom's tool chain a lot more then that other one..
[04:43:00] <tahsin> rcn-ee> well this is the only tool chain i have in this VM but my main one is the angstorm... but so far it had no errors
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[04:53:29] <tahsin> <rcn-ee>thanks again! i will let you know if any problems arises. since i know where to contact you now.
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[06:07:59] <av500> gm
[06:12:53] <eFfeM> hi av500
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[06:27:12] <jake_> hi all...
[06:29:07] <eFfeM> yo
[06:30:26] <jake_> i ahve installed ubuntu... but wen am boot in it get stuck on Freeing init memory: 212k
[06:30:36] <jake_> anyone knows y?
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[06:34:01] <eFfeM> i think i had this once too but with angstrom, seem to recall this happens because real time clock was build into the kernel
[06:34:05] <jake_> anybody there??
[06:34:19] <eFfeM> not so impatient, it is 7.30 am here
[06:34:40] <eFfeM> anyway when I rebuild the kernel with rtc as module the problem was gone
[06:34:50] <eFfeM> ofc this was with openembedded, not with ubuntu
[06:35:13] <jake_> u got the same problem?
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[06:35:19] <eFfeM> had
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[06:35:44] <jake_> how u solved .. make it a bit more clear
[06:36:56] <eFfeM> i use openembedded kernel, I rebuild it and in the kernel config instead of saying CONFIG_RTC=y (or whatever the name is) I said CONFIG_RTC=m
[06:37:04] <eFfeM> recompiled and reinstalled kernel and bingo
[06:37:46] <eFfeM> not sure if that it the same issue with ubuntu, i don't even know where your ubuntu is from, afaik there is no official beagle kernel for ubuntu
[06:37:52] <jake_> any link for de kernel?
[06:38:01] <eFfeM> guess you need to ask where you got this kernel from
[06:38:10] <eFfeM> www.kernel.org
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[06:39:23] <amol> hi to all , all TV S-video will support with beagleboard?
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[06:45:06] <av500> does the BB support s-video output? yes
[06:48:27] <ds2> "support" is rather subjective ;)
[06:48:28] <jake_> av500:i have installed ubuntu... but wen am boot in it get stuck on Freeing init memory: 212k
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[07:24:24] <recalcati_> rev B7 and kernel r46 : usb otg doens't enumerate the hub. with kernel r35 it does. any idea?
[07:24:43] <ds2> use the source.
[07:26:53] <recalcati_> ds2: ok
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[07:34:47] <jack__> Hi
[07:35:22] <jack__> I wanna know how can I change twl4030_rtc clock and date plz
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[07:43:59] <av500> jake_: and?
[07:44:51] <tasslehoff> I have uploaded a new sw.tar.bz2 to my beagle that I want to unpack with preserved permissions, but 'tar' on the beagle lacks that option.
[07:46:12] <tasslehoff> and my question is if someone has some advice on what I could do about it :)
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[07:47:14] <tasslehoff> av500: I'm trying out the ping-pong sw upgrade scheme :)
[07:47:30] <av500> i guessed that much
[07:48:58] <jack__> av500: I did not understand your question
[07:49:59] <av500> jack__: I did not ask one
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[07:53:34] <jack__> When I turn on the card, linux starts and loads TWL4030 clock that is not exact, I want to know how it is possible to modify this clock, like for exemple what we do with linux "date 110408522009"
[07:54:44] <jack__> I feel that is very easy to do but I did find out yet ! :-(
[07:55:11] <av500> tried "date"?
[07:55:18] <jack__> yes
[07:56:07] <jack__> av500: this change only the linux clock, when I reset the card, the linux when loading it takes RWL4030 clock
[07:57:28] <_koen_1> good morning all
[07:57:35] <av500> gm
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[07:59:59] <jack__> any idea?
[08:01:49] <_koen_> recalcati_: otg works fine on my b7, have you tried loading a gadget module to force enumeration?
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[08:06:58] <ds2> _koen_: no OE patches to fix that yet? ;)
[08:13:38] <koen> ds2: there's an initscript in angstrom that loads the gadget module of your choice, which works fine for me
[08:15:27] <ds2> koen: sigh
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[08:23:52] <mru> morning
[08:24:03] <_koen_> the musb driver seems to political to fix in the kernel it seems
[08:24:18] <av500> ??
[08:24:20] <av500> ?
[08:24:52] <_koen_> it seems some patches get NAK'd because they weren't written by the right company
[08:25:08] <av500> being?
[08:25:44] <av500> http://www.rightcompany.com/
[08:25:48] <_koen_> a big embedded software vendor looking at mountains
[08:26:21] <mru> mv?
[08:26:37] <mru> they submitted a patch?
[08:26:43] <mru> don't they usually just hoard stuff?
[08:26:43] <tasslehoff> copying a 2.9 MB uImage between partitions on my sd card (ext3 -> fat32) took 7m 25.33s. what what what?
[08:26:51] <ds2> _koen_: have you seen truely working patches for this behavior?
[08:26:54] <_koen_> the most obvious one was when a patch got NAK'd because it didn't apply to some secret internal non public tree
[08:27:05] <av500> linky?
[08:27:29] <_koen_> av500: linux-davinci mailinglist, look for sergey
[08:28:03] <ds2> _koen_: he's been trying to do some major changes
[08:28:07] <_koen_> ds2: I had role switching working well with around 2.6.26
[08:28:22] <av500> sergei!
[08:28:31] <ds2> _koen_: w/ or w/o the gadget reload?
[08:28:45] <_koen_> ds2: without, the kernel handled everything
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[08:29:05] <tasslehoff> can anyone explain that. a throughput of < 7 kB/s is not very impressive :)
[08:29:22] <_koen_> but things like ISO handling sucked with 2.6.26
[08:29:33] <ds2> _koen_: wasn't there some major change that happened after that?
[08:29:33] <_koen_> tasslehoff: using avian carriers?
[08:29:53] <ds2> seem to recall it breaking some nonTI platform around that time
[08:30:05] <_koen_> like blackfin?
[08:30:11] <tasslehoff> _koen_: yes, but the birds are really fit
[08:30:16] <ds2> PPP?
[08:30:20] <ds2> no, not blackfin
[08:30:22] <kblin> _koen_: speaking of musb, it seems like http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=a483d7068f661213e9586d4d132fc0e0287118b4 causes data corruption when reading large files
[08:30:42] <ds2> Pigeon to Pigeon Protocol :D
[08:30:58] <tasslehoff> ds2: :)
[08:32:18] <tasslehoff> "IPoAC has been successfully implemented, but for only nine packets of data, with a packet loss ratio of 55%, and a response time ranging from 3000 seconds to over 6000 seconds. Thus, this technology suffers from poor latency."
[08:32:23] * tasslehoff laughed
[08:35:32] <ds2> IIRC, BF came in around that time frame too
[08:35:51] <ds2> part of the problem with MUSB is there are so many flavors due to the options available for the core
[08:36:08] <av500> mru: http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/finger/finger.pl?user=icculus&date=2009-11-03&time=19-08-04
[08:36:16] <ds2> EP handling that works for one may not work for the other. the DV version is stripped down relative to the OMAP one :/
[08:36:19] <tasslehoff> besides avian carriers, anyone got a clue? the cpu load is ~1% when I do the copy with 'cp' and 'mmcqd' on top of 'top'
[08:36:40] <av500> mmc not using DMA?
[08:37:25] <ds2> mount -o sync? ;)
[08:37:47] <av500> DC-IN only 1.2V?
[08:37:57] <kblin> ds2: I would use EHCI if that was any use on my board. unfortunately that's a bit busted
[08:38:30] <ds2> kblin: EHCI has its own set of issues ;)
[08:38:44] <ds2> we really need to fix MUSB
[08:39:54] <ds2> let's repeat history and create a MUSB-DEBUGGED branch ;)
[08:39:55] <ds2> j/k
[08:40:22] <av500> isnt that what oe patches are for?
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[08:42:15] <mru> "I imagined people would discuss the merits and flaws
[08:42:28] <recalcati_> koen: I'm changing the kernel to r46 . I hope to have usb fixed and mplayer working nice.
[08:42:28] <mru> we did
[08:42:35] <mru> av500: ^^
[08:42:47] <mru> it just so happened to be all flaw and no merit
[08:43:01] <av500> mru: I guess he filed you under "rude" :)
[08:43:12] <mru> I'd expect nothing less
[08:43:16] <av500> :)
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[08:44:46] <mru> I only had two posts on that thread
[08:44:55] <mru> neither of which I consider particularly rude...
[08:45:24] <av500> hmm, no idea what I made that assumption then :)
[08:46:03] <tasslehoff> av500: was "mmc not using DMA" and "DC-IN only 1.2V" serious suggestions? I have no idea where to look, and don't know enough to be sure if one or both were jokes :)
[08:47:44] <eFfeM> anyone an idea where the last digit of the package name stands for? is this DISTRO_PR ?
[08:48:28] <_koen_> the last digit of the name is usually part of the upstream name
[08:48:33] <recalcati_> mmmm: my kernel is r46, but I was using a binary setup, so no possibility to do modprobe pl2303 . disagrees about version of symbol struct_module . I tried many different usb gadgets but nothing happen.
[08:48:34] <_koen_> like 'r' in mplayer
[08:48:51] <_koen_> recalcati_: so you didn't match you modules with your kernel
[08:49:17] <recalcati_> yes. but I can compile a console image first of all
[08:49:26] <recalcati_> in stable branch
[08:49:42] <_koen_> recalcati_: I guess you installed a new uImage, but didn't install a new modules.tgz
[08:49:47] <_koen_> (or vice versa)
[08:49:49] <eFfeM> _koen_ what I mean is that the pacakges I build end in .4_armv7a.ipk and those on the feed are .3_armv7a.ipk
[08:50:32] <recalcati_> I downloaded your demo image, but I than compile the r46 kernel.
[08:52:27] <koen> eFfeM: right, the last one is DISTRO_PR
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[08:54:04] <tasslehoff> I tried installing u-boot in angstrom and using fw_setenv, but this happened http://pastebin.com/d6f197414. Any ideas?
[08:54:07] <eFfeM> koen, ah right, should we kick the build bot to rebuild for the new DISTRO_PR ?
[08:54:52] <_koen_> eFfeM: 90% of the packages are already rebuilt
[08:55:18] <eFfeM> koen: ah ok,
[08:55:19] <_koen_> eFfeM: if it's in build-feeds.sh and builds then it's in the feeds
[08:57:34] <eFfeM> actually bumped into a number of issues this morning; could not get opkg to install a local package if the version on the feed is newer, even with -force options; also discovered that apparently I get qt4-x11-free-gles packages where I expected to get qt4-x11-free
[08:58:01] <recalcati_> r46 and after r35 boot dumped here: http://pastebin.com/m43e2c598
[08:58:23] <tasslehoff> fw_printenv works, but fw_setenv fails
[08:59:33] <eFfeM> and apparently qt4 does not rebuild altough it DEPENDS on mysql
[08:59:43] <eFfeM> guess this is not fully my day ....
[09:01:05] <av500> qt-embedded-2.3.10 ftw!
[09:04:12] <koen> recalcati_: comparing bootlogs won't help if you use the wrong version of kernel modules
[09:04:21] <koen> recalcati_: I feel like I'm repeating myself
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[09:08:52] <modelvincent> hello
[09:09:05] <eFfeM> can I bump qt4.inc INC_PR to force its recompilation using the mysql_config that I fixed and pushed yesterday ?
[09:09:11] <tasslehoff> should fw_setenv work at all in angstrom on the beagle?
[09:09:25] <eFfeM> ls
[09:09:39] <_koen_> eFfeM: sure, it's the only way to force a rebuild
[09:09:52] <_koen_> tasslehoff: it seems to work over here
[09:10:07] <eFfeM> _koen_: thought the DEPENDS on mysql should take care of that or am I missing something here ?
[09:10:36] <tasslehoff> _koen_: have you made a custom /etc/fw_env.config?
[09:10:50] <eFfeM> btw should I also bump INC_PR for qt4_embedded, not sure whether that one also uses mysql
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[09:11:52] <modelvincent> I'm discovering BeagleBoard, followed tutorials to install angstrom, but when i've tried to update the bootloader, after reboot, my serial connection has been altered, i receive bad character, and the card does not boot anymore
[09:12:12] <recalcati_> koen: I'm compiling.
[09:12:15] <modelvincent> is there a solution to downgrade to the previous bootloader via the JTAG?
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[09:12:57] <eFfeM> modelvincent: yes, see the elinux page on recovering just use the old uboot on your tftp server
[09:13:45] <recalcati_> koen: it is better bb demo image or can be enough console-image ? - branch stable anyway
[09:13:45] <modelvincent> ok thank you, i'm looking this and come back to say youif it work.
[09:14:04] <koen> recalcati_: that's up to you
[09:15:29] <tasslehoff> _koen_: did you take a look at the error I pasted?
[09:15:45] <av500> mru: http://adobegripes.tumblr.com/post/231806385/adobe-gets-bitchy-over-the-iphone-and-flash-bit
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[09:22:02] <suihkulokki> av500: that reddit comment is quite clearly fake.
[09:22:34] <suihkulokki> .5h battery life on iphone with 1100mA battery, right
[09:27:03] <mru> av500: we both know what code they're talking about...
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[09:35:06] <tasslehoff> _koen_: nevermind. I had to change flash sector size in the config file, but afterwards it worked.
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[09:41:06] <av500> mru: exactly
[09:42:06] <av500> suihkulokki: I would not bet the farm on it....
[09:43:19] <tasslehoff> On to the painfully slow sd. Any advice on how I can benchmark read/write performance?
[09:45:53] <suihkulokki> av500: I know flash has not trouble eathing 100% cpu, but the iphoney doesn't consume 2000mA at 100% cpu load..
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[09:46:38] <av500> suihkulokki: :) prolly not
[09:51:15] <av500> maybe they used asm("hcf:") ...
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[09:51:46] <Barts_> hi...anybody awake?
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[09:52:22] <tasslehoff> ds2: you said "mount -o sync ;)" when I asked about sd speed. I didn't get that, but google told me what it was and that it is slow. I see that only my root partititon is mounted without sync.
[09:52:47] <av500> aha
[09:53:58] * tasslehoff hopes av500 means "aha" as in "that explains a write speed of < 7kB/s"
[09:54:51] <av500> redo your test without sync
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[09:56:21] <XorA> redo your test with noatime mount option :-D, that makes it super slow
[09:58:08] <tasslehoff> :)
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[10:09:49] <rs> is there any reason why gpios should be connected to wakeup domain
[10:10:05] <av500> to wakeup the cpu?
[10:10:44] <rs> arent all gpio do that
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[10:12:07] <av500> you dont want all gios to wake up the cpu
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[10:12:49] <rs> i read in the datasheet that only gpio1 bank gpio can be connected to wakeup domain
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[10:13:12] <rs> i thought all gpios if wakeup enable bit is set will wake up the gpio
[10:14:11] * av500 is too lazy to check the TRM for that :-)
[10:15:41] <rs> okay
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[10:16:25] <av500> my expert here mumbles something about io daisy chaining being able to wake up from all pds...
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[10:18:15] <av500> rs: gpio wakeup bit assumes the domain is powered, if the domain is not powered, then only the gpios in wakeup domain are able to wake up
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[10:19:31] <rs> wakeup domain is something which is active always
[10:19:34] <rs> isnt it?
[10:20:05] <rs> the datasheet says that gpio1 set is connected to it. so can wakeup even if the all domains are retention/off?
[10:20:08] <rs> is that so?
[10:20:47] <av500> yes
[10:21:01] <av500> the idea of the wakeup domain is to be able to wakeup the rest
[10:21:22] <rs> does this apply to only off state or retention state also
[10:21:36] <av500> off mode for sure
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[10:21:43] <av500> other states too I guess
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[10:22:44] <rs> so touch gpio should be connected to wakeup domain ie it should be lie in gpio1 set
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[10:23:33] <av500> depends on your use case...
[10:23:48] <rs> why do you say that
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[10:24:08] <av500> rs: ??
[10:24:41] <rs> i mean you would like touch to wakeup a sleeping system
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[10:26:00] <av500> rs: no, I prefer my device to not wakeup on a touch
[10:26:12] <av500> so it depends on your use case....
[10:26:25] <av500> e.g. iphone does not wakeup on touch
[10:26:39] <av500> or e.g. android phones...
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[10:27:12] <rs> okay, i got it
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[10:28:04] <rs> so how does decides is if each interrupt should wakeup the system or not and then select the gpio
[10:28:39] <tasslehoff> av500: down from 7m 25s to 20s :)
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[10:29:32] <av500> tasslehoff: noatime I guess...
[10:30:25] <av500> rs: well, you can still decide on a per gpio basics whether you want to wake up or not, but if you want to wakeup, you have to use bank1
[10:30:45] <av500> so place all gpios that you possibly will ever want to wake you up there...
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[10:31:45] <tasslehoff> av500: -t ext3 -o defaults.
[10:31:49] <koen> raster: booo!
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[10:32:45] <raster> eek
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[11:00:42] <tasslehoff> should I use noatime when I mount?
[11:01:33] <koen> relatime would be better if you run imap on top of it
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[11:03:58] <av500> http://kerneltrap.org/node/14148
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[11:07:39] <tasslehoff> thanks. no imap.
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[11:20:49] <jkridner|work> good morning all
[11:22:07] <av500> jkridner|work: gm
[11:22:09] <eFfeM> hi jason
[11:22:19] <jkridner|work> for the up-coming lightning talks on November 17, we are switching from WebEx to On24.
[11:22:28] <av500> OnLive?
[11:23:44] <av500> jkridner|work: how was beer and shopping?
[11:27:55] <jkridner|work> I'm not sure what "OnLive" is. They will be broadcast live.
[11:28:13] <jkridner|work> beer and shopping were excellent in Germany.
[11:28:54] <jkridner|work> Also tried some gluehwein at a mock-up of a traditional Bavarian festival house.
[11:31:26] <tasslehoff> should I use "noatime,data=writeback" or "noatime,data=ordered"?
[11:31:34] * av500 prefers cold beer to warm and sugarry red wine...
[11:32:12] <mru> av500: even in a scandinavian winter?
[11:32:39] <av500> I'll revise that when in scandinavia...
[11:33:18] <tasslehoff> mru: yes, but with the addition of some good single malt (says the scandinavian)
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[11:33:41] <mru> tasslehoff: never tried that
[11:34:14] <mru> imo single malt shouldn't be mixed with stuff
[11:34:56] <tasslehoff> mru: agreed! I see that "addition" was not the best word here :)
[11:35:11] <tasslehoff> single malt should not even be mixed with ice :)
[11:35:21] <mru> of course not
[11:39:17] <XorA> you wouldnt want to lose the taste of pure meths :-D
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[11:41:37] <limp> Hi all! I was wondering if someone can help me here with a problem a have with BB
[11:45:35] <mru> limp: describe your problem
[11:45:59] <limp> I???ve installed the arm-none-eabi-gcc toolchain and I am trying to load a simple program on beagleboard. I created a flashing led program and tried from U-boot to load it (through serial) in a memory location (0x8e0000000) and execute it with go command but nothing happened.
[11:46:27] <limp> Any ideas of what I am doing wrong?
[11:47:52] <Barts_> hi all. i'm trying to install openCV on my BB and i'm receiving an error. could someone please take a look at it to see how i should modify the build? http://pastebin.com/m750d671
[11:48:43] <koen> Barts_: why not use the binary packages from angstrom, or if that is not enough, OE to build opencv?
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[11:49:21] <Barts_> koen: i do have angstrom running on my BB. but i'm not aware of an angstrom build of openCV.
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[11:50:52] <koen> Barts_: opkg update ; opkg list | grep opencv
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[11:54:05] <tasslehoff> Is it safe to rely on sd-partitions being detected as /dev/mmcblk0p[n] so that mount.sh will create /media/mmcblk0p[n]?
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[11:58:42] <limp> anyone any ideas?
[12:01:23] <av500> limp: there could be many things wrong
[12:01:50] <limp> like?
[12:02:04] <av500> did you make sure your sw does not rely on anything like standard libs etc...
[12:02:16] <av500> did you link it for the right start adress?
[12:02:31] <limp> I don't want to boot linux or anything...
[12:02:40] <limp> just trying to load a single program
[12:02:46] <av500> did you create a binary at all?
[12:03:10] <limp> yes, I have created a binary
[12:03:13] <av500> what was the command line to create you SW?
[12:05:03] <limp> for a simple hello_world I used that: arm-none-eabi-gcc HELLO_WORLD.c -o hello.bin -march=armv7-a -mcpu=cortex-a8 -nostartfiles -T generic-hosted.ld
[12:05:45] <av500> that will generate an ELF file, no?
[12:06:37] <limp> yes
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[12:07:24] <av500> and uboot has an ELF loader?
[12:08:10] <limp> I don't know!!
[12:08:18] <koen> there's a bootelf command
[12:08:37] <tasslehoff> I think I would like to mount my partitions as /media/<labelname>. How do I find out <labelname>? blkid made my beagle very angry :-/
[12:08:42] <limp> so I should use that instead of the go command
[12:09:11] <limp> I thought that the "go" command will execute an elf executable
[12:09:33] <mru> go jumps to the address given
[12:10:08] <limp> yes, and at this address I previously loaded my elf file using loady $address
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[12:12:22] <limp> so if you load an elf executable to an address and jump there will go, it will not be executed??
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[12:12:41] <av500> limp: no
[12:13:12] <mru> elf headers aren't very executable
[12:13:31] <limp> because I thought the u-boot examples are executed with the same way...
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[12:14:09] <limp> so if I want somehow to execute my file, should I use something like bootelf?
[12:14:40] <av500> no, you should create a binary object linked for your start address
[12:15:44] <limp> and then I should do a "go" to the start address in which I linked the binary?
[12:16:42] * koen fixes a wiki and sends a mail to beagle ml asking people not to unfix it
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[12:18:45] <Barts_> koen: thanks. i'm running it now
[12:18:45] <av500> cool wikipedia editwars!
[12:19:42] <limp> how can I link to a specific start address?
[12:20:11] <mru> tell the linker to do it
[12:20:19] <mru> use a linker script
[12:20:36] * av500 forgot how to do that since he switched to using embedded linux... (hint hint)
[12:20:54] <limp> there is not a switch that I cound use?
[12:20:59] <mru> av500: you never hack the linux link script?
[12:21:12] <mru> limp: no
[12:21:18] <limp> ok
[12:21:20] <av500> mru: no, the kernel guys might do that here :)
[12:23:11] <av500> limp: why not look at how uboot is compiled/linked
[12:23:22] <av500> what you need is very similar...
[12:23:51] <limp> ok, I'll have a look a that
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[12:27:42] * kblin is trying to remember who claimed that USB-Ethernet adapters didn't do more than 10Mbit/s
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[12:33:31] <koen> hrw|gone, Crofton|work: more stable/2009 patches to review :)
[12:35:51] <tasslehoff> _koen_: I see recipes/u-boot/files/beagleboard/fw_env.config is your commit. Does this work for you? I had to change flash sector size to 0x20000 for it to work on my beagle
[12:36:17] <_koen_> hmmm, looks like I committed an old version
[12:38:27] <limp> I managed to link my binary to address 0x00100000 but I don't know how to execute it from u-boot. Can anyone help?
[12:40:14] <tasslehoff> _koen_: good time to market ;)
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[12:41:23] <av500> limp: use "go"?
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[12:43:13] <kblin> oh well, whoever said he only got 8 Mbit/s from usb ethernet clearly used a usb1.1 adapter, not a usb2.0 adapter
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[12:43:50] <av500> kblin: so how much do you get?
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[12:44:22] <koen> _roger_: http://patchwork.openembedded.org/project/openembedded/list/?state=*&q=oe%2CSTABLE
[12:44:27] <koen> _roger_: the top 3 ones
[12:44:31] <IndestructibleSa> hello
[12:44:59] <av500> world
[12:45:19] <kblin> av500: around 93 Mbit/s when using a usb2.0 moschip adapter, I did five runs, with different tcp window sizes, it was pretty constant
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[12:46:25] <kblin> I get down to around 8Mbit/s when using a usb1.1 dm9601 adapter, with the rate getting worse when I increase window size
[12:47:25] <limp> I used "go" but it didin;t work. Should I load the binary with ymoden to the same address that it is linked and then use "go" or can I loaded to an address diffrent than the one that it is linked?
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[12:47:42] <av500> limp: of course you link it for the load address....
[12:47:48] <limp> ok
[12:47:52] <limp> cheers
[12:47:56] <limp> I will try it
[12:48:22] <limp> sorry about all that ;)
[12:48:28] <kblin> it's not a really good test setup because one of the PCs is still connected to another network doing stuff, but it should work as a reasonable lower bound
[12:48:51] <IndestructibleSa> need advices ! I try to use the UART1, I did the mux to get it on the accessible pins I see the MUX prints at kernel boot. I put a cable between pin TX and RX and done ---> echo yo > /dev/ttyS0 ---> cat /proc/tty/driver/serial and I got that ---> 0: uart:ST16654 mmio:0x4806A000 irq:72 tx:4 rx:0 DSR|CD|RI
[12:49:05] <IndestructibleSa> Nothing came back on rx
[12:49:35] <IndestructibleSa> is there anything I could have forgotten ?
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[12:53:13] <IndestructibleSa> not much to say :)
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[13:32:35] <jean> hi....all
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[13:32:52] <Guest71018> anyone knows how to install ubuntu in BB?
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[13:33:40] <jean85> hi all...
[13:33:56] <jean85> anyone knows how to install ubuntu inBB?
[13:34:07] <kblin> the elinux wiki does
[13:35:10] <kblin> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ubuntu+beagleboard
[13:36:10] <jkridner|work> av500: (I also preferred the beer to the gluehwein).
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[13:36:25] <jean85> actually am girl new to BB, but i installed the rfs to second partition and copied MLO, u-boot created uImage to first partition.
[13:36:57] <mru> and it didn't work?
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[13:37:33] <jean85> its booting linux but comes to the point freeing init and then stops
[13:38:07] <mru> what kernel command line did you use?
[13:39:02] <jean85> setenv bootcmd 'mmc init; fatload mmc 0:1 0x80300000 uImage; bootm 0x80300000' setenv bootargs 'console=ttyS2,115200n8 console=tty0 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootwait rootfstype=ext3 ro omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x720MR-16@60' saveenv
[13:41:21] <jean85> guys.... please feel free to help tys girl
[13:41:23] <cody> hm... if i want to connect a rc-servo to the beagleboard, which hardware would i need?
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[13:42:18] <jean85> mru: was ma commands right?
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[13:42:27] <mru> jean85: looks reasonable
[13:43:14] <jean85> but then wat went wrong?
[13:43:22] <mru> exactly what is the last message you see?
[13:43:49] <jean85> freeing init: 212K
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[13:44:09] <mru> hmm, pastebin the last page or so
[13:45:38] <jean85> http://pastebin.ca/1656673
[13:45:38] <koen> jean85: any specific reason why you overwrote the existing uboot vars?
[13:46:11] <jean85> koen: it was said in wiki
[13:46:46] <av500> koen is haunted by wiki
[13:47:04] * koen notices it's a debian kernel and looses interest
[13:47:05] <mru> this doesn't look like a u-boot problem
[13:47:24] <av500> Linux version 2.6.29-oer44.1
[13:47:38] <jean85> but there were no specific link for u-boot for ubuntu, i used u-boot of angstrom
[13:47:58] <jean85> av500: thats right
[13:48:15] <koen> the angstrom uboot has sane defaults, so overwriting them is usually a recipe for breakage
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[13:48:45] <jean85> koen: wat should i do then?
[13:48:48] <mru> try adding init=/bin/sh to the kernel command line
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[13:50:02] <jean85> mru: i tried that too but am getting error "package does not supports x86 architecture"
[13:50:05] <kblin> jean85: my bootargs line is "console=ttyS2,115200n8 console=tty0 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rw rootfstype=ext3 rootwait"
[13:50:40] <Yuvi> jean85: iirc the args on the ubuntu wiki don't work, specifically that root needs to be mounted rw
[13:51:20] <jean85> yuvi: can u give the full commad line?
[13:51:35] <Yuvi> don't have it anymore, went back to angstrom
[13:51:35] <kblin> jean85: see above :)
[13:52:16] <kblin> basically just replacing the ro with rw in the bootargs line will do
[13:52:35] <koen> nand erase 260000 20000
[13:52:35] <jean85> lemme try
[13:53:49] <jean85> koen: done
[13:55:09] <jean85> koen: no change
[13:56:56] <jean85> kblin: i replaced still no change
[13:58:58] <jean85> everybody still there???
[14:00:53] <kblin> yup
[14:01:08] <jean85> kbli: still same
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[14:02:49] <kblin> interesting. for me the usb drivers start loading at that point
[14:04:22] <jean85> kblin: r u using ubuntu?
[14:04:52] <kblin> yeah, currenly running a test kernel, though
[14:05:04] <kblin> but I haven't touched my bootargs in ages
[14:06:09] <jean85> thats cool man... i have trying tys for 2 days... and i have to get it ready and give to ma boss by tomorrow... gettin pissed off
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[14:08:22] <jean85> kblin: help me dear..
[14:08:31] <rcn-ee> jean85, just got in, what rootfs version are you using?
[14:08:58] <kblin> hey rcn-ee. I've just copied over 30GB worth of data, currently waiting for md5sum to do it's job :)
[14:09:01] <jean85> 2.6.29-oer44.1
[14:09:34] <rcn-ee> jean85, 9.04, 9.10... 44.1 also uses dss2 so you are using the wrong dss settings at boot..
[14:10:13] <rcn-ee> kblin, sweet! Just starting to test Ajay's new patch..
[14:10:14] <jean85> am using 9.04
[14:11:01] <jean85> rcn-ee: can u send me the boot command?
[14:11:01] <rcn-ee> jean85, what do you have connected to the beagle? Lcd on the dvi?
[14:11:09] <jean85> yes
[14:11:27] <rcn-ee> jean85, tested by me: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Beagleboard:_Setup_U-boot_for_boot
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[14:12:15] <jean85> i thing i wanna ask how to get the u-boot?
[14:13:04] <jean85> can i use the u-boot for angstrom?
[14:13:21] <rcn-ee> jean85, access to it? (serial port) or where to download it, just use Angstrom's, i've tested this one: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Upgrade_U-Boot Otherwise the latest r30 works fine..
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[14:13:45] <Barts_> anyone got opencv to work?
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[14:15:17] <jean85> wer to get r30?
[14:16:01] <rcn-ee> jean85, http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/beagleboard-demo-image-available
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[14:19:11] <jean85> rcn-ee: still no change
[14:20:05] <rcn-ee> jean85, can you please pastebin your boot for me again..
[14:20:25] <jean85> sure
[14:20:49] <av500> [14:45] <jean85> http://pastebin.ca/1656673
[14:21:33] <jean85> http://pastebin.ca/1656703
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[14:25:41] <rcn-ee> jean85, a little befuddled, everything is normal, unless you enabled ttys2 thru rootstock, that's all the serial prompt normally prints, your lcd display should be up now..
[14:26:33] <rcn-ee> jean85, for kicks did you use my 9.04 demo image, or a custom rootstock command?
[14:27:06] <jean85> i used basic jaunty image
[14:28:10] <cody> http://igep-platform.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=23
[14:28:24] <cody> does somebody know if the usb port of this board is unstable too?
[14:28:53] <rcn-ee> jean85, yeap, that one has ttys2 enabled.. Would you try this uImage for a quick test.. http://www.rcn-ee.net/deb/kernel/testing/2.6.31-0.2.uImage
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[14:41:05] <jean85> sorry guys.. i got dc...
[14:41:27] <jean85> bcn-ee: i used basic jaunty....
[14:41:34] <jean85> rcn-ee: i used basic jaunty....
[14:42:31] <rcn-ee> jean85, i'm rebuilding an mmc card with that rootfs again to check things... While it's copying could you test: http://www.rcn-ee.net/deb/kernel/testing/2.6.31-0.2.uImage
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[14:45:14] <rcn-ee> kblin, the musb fifo fix i got has a build problem, i think i can fix it, but need confirmation from Ajay that it's right..
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[14:47:36] <kblin> rcn-ee: no worries, if the kernel with the revert of the corrupting patch works, I'm fine :)
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[14:47:52] <jean85> rcn-ee: u there?
[14:48:13] <kblin> so far all md5sums checked out alright on the test kernel
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[14:49:15] <rcn-ee> kblin, cool, it'd like a better fix then a revert since that musb iso bug is in 2.6.30/2.6.31 and angstrom's 2.6.29..
[14:49:25] <rcn-ee> jean85, just booting the new mmc card..
[14:50:16] <jean85> i used basic jaunty ubuntu... is that ok?..
[14:50:54] <kblin> rcn-ee: well, I'm happy to test additional fixes, the revert is what'll get me up and running, though :)
[14:51:12] <rcn-ee> jean85, that one is the most tested.. I'm hoping to annouce a karmic based version this week
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[14:54:30] <rcn-ee> jean85, for comparison here's mine.. http://pastebin.com/f16d2f417 using the demo image here: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Jaunty
[14:56:33] <Beagle0> list
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[15:05:10] <Barts_> koen: i installed all the opencv binaries. i was wondering if you can take a look at this: http://pastebin.com/m569f3e93
[15:05:57] <koen> Barts_: you do need to provide the correct -l and -I on the gcc command line
[15:06:04] <koen> the opencv wiki should have those
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[15:08:17] <Barts_> how can i check to see where opkg installed opencv?
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[15:11:48] <jean85> rcn-ee: while downloading rootfs , i should get armel-rootfs.tgz and vmlinuz right?/ but am not getting vmlinuz
[15:12:57] <rcn-ee> jean85, you should, what md5sum of the file are you getting?
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[15:19:03] <jean85> rcn-ee: how to create correct vmlinuz???
[15:19:05] <modelvincent> hello, i have a problem with bootloader
[15:19:14] <rcn-ee> jean85, what is your rootstock line:
[15:19:39] <rcn-ee> jean85, or did you download the minimal rootfs?
[15:19:47] <jean85> can u make it specific?
[15:20:08] <modelvincent> after a bad nand update, my beagle board only display 40V with some bad character on serial port, even if i press the user button, and nothing appear, with or MMC card inserted
[15:20:54] <rcn-ee> jean85, the vmlinuz is only created if you issue a "--kernel-image some.deb" to rootstock...
[15:21:04] <jean85> sudo ./rootstock --fqdn beagleboard --login ubuntu --password temppwd --imagesize 2G --seed xfce4,gdm --dist jaunty --serial ttyS2 --kernel-image http://rcn-ee.net/deb/kernel/beagle/jaunty/v2.6.29-58cf2f1-oer44.1/linux-image-2.6.29-oer44.1_1.0jaunty_armel.deb
[15:22:17] <jean85> so how i will give it rootstock???
[15:22:24] <jean85> so how i will give it to rootstock???
[15:22:29] <rcn-ee> jean85, that will create two files, armel-rootfs*.tgz and a vmlinuz..
[15:22:52] <jean85> but am getting only armel-rootfs.tgz
[15:23:12] <rcn-ee> if it doesn't something failed, and i'll have to look at your *.log in the same directory, could you pastebin that?
[15:23:26] <jean85> ya sure
[15:24:32] <jean85> ya wait i will have to go back to linux
[15:24:51] <modelvincent> nobody could help me for my bootloader problem?
[15:25:24] <av500> modelvincent: then you mmc card is not good
[15:26:05] <modelvincent> I've tried several MMC, formated under windows, under linux following the linux formatting tutorials, etc
[15:27:18] <av500> you put it upside down?
[15:28:17] <modelvincent> the contact of the MMC are in front of the CI
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[15:29:44] <modelvincent> my problem seem to be exactly the same as: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/5597f0f4c9235046
[15:30:15] <modelvincent> (my board is a revC3)
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[15:31:23] <av500> modelvincent: you can ask Gerald on the ml how that issue was resolved, maybe it can be done without the RMA dance...
[15:31:57] <modelvincent> yes, i hope :-s
[15:32:10] <modelvincent> do you know how long is the RMA ?
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[15:54:04] <jean85> rcn-ee: am not able pastebin the log as its more than 1MB
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[15:56:45] <jean85> rcn-ee: u there?
[15:57:02] <rcn-ee> jean85, could you forward it to my gmail... robertcnelson
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[16:07:28] <rcn-ee> jean85, since it's over a 1Mb, you can forward it to my gmail.com address "robertcnelson"
[16:07:50] <jean85> u got the mail??
[16:07:56] <jean85> i have sent
[16:08:05] <rcn-ee> jean85, got it...
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[16:10:04] <eFfeM> rcn-ee: jean85 there is also filebin.ca for large files
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[16:10:24] <jean85> rcn-ee: found anything wrong??
[16:10:37] <jean85> i have sent the mail thanks.
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[16:12:02] <rcn-ee> jean85, it looks successful to me, but i think you forget to issue the --kernel-image, since : cat rootstock-200911032330.log | grep linux-image returns nothing...
[16:13:24] <jean85> so after that wat should i do?
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[16:13:37] <rcn-ee> jean85, normally the *.log would have: http://pastebin.com/f1531201d
[16:14:33] <rcn-ee> jean85, for most new users, i really recommend starting with the demo image: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Jaunty and apt-get'ing packages as they need them...
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[16:15:15] <rcn-ee> jean85, specially since qemu can be 'very slow'...
[16:15:27] <jean85> how will i install apt-get??
[16:16:18] <rcn-ee> jean85, apt-get is installed by default in debian/ubuntu, it's what makes it great..
[16:16:53] <jean85> so which one u recommend for me, basic or demo?
[16:17:49] <rcn-ee> jean85, i'd start with, this rootfs it's the most tested and will work out of the box http://rcn-ee.net/deb/rootfs/ubuntu-9.04-minimal-armel.tar.7z
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[16:19:24] <jean85> so if i use this one, wat about the uImage and uboot?
[16:19:38] <jean85> it will come automatically?
[16:20:34] <rcn-ee> jean85, the uImage is provided in the package in "vmlinuz" form, Just run the mkimage found here: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Development_PC:_Setup_SD_Partition.27s
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[16:21:44] <jean85> and u-boot?
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[16:21:46] <rcn-ee> jean85, uboot as long as it isn't the one that originally came with the beagle, it should be good..
[16:22:27] <jean85> ok... am gonna start with that image...
[16:22:40] <jean85> till wen u be online?
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[16:23:24] <rcn-ee> heading to a few meetings shortly, if not around just email the beagleboard group...
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[16:30:06] <jean85> rcn-ee: the image build started...
[16:30:51] <jean85> rcn-ee: there is an ubutu image for ARM available in www.ubuntu.com, will that work for beagle??
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[16:31:40] <rcn-ee> jean85, no ubuntu doesn't have an image for the beagle yet...
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[16:32:27] <jean85> but thats specified for ARM if am not wrong...
[16:32:54] <rcn-ee> jean85, do you have a link? so that i can take a look at it..
[16:33:05] <jean85> ya sure..
[16:34:05] <spinotter> Hello - I'm a new user of the BeagleBoard and am trying to get a JVM working on it. I installed JamVM and am working on GNU Classpath but having a lot of problems
[16:35:16] <spinotter> Tell me first if this is the proper forum for me to get help, or if there are archived resources available so I won't be wasting people's time.
[16:35:59] <jean85> rnc-ee: i think i was wrong,,its for arm dove machine
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[16:36:18] <av500> spinotter: not much JVM around here...
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[16:37:00] <rcn-ee> jean85, yeah most of ubuntu internal links are for freescale boards, i'm trying to get the beagle kernel into 10.10..
[16:37:06] <rcn-ee> (10.04)
[16:37:10] <spinotter> av500: Thanks. Any ideas where I could get some help.
[16:37:22] <av500> spinotter: hmm, no...
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[16:46:07] <rcn-ee> kblin, the musb fifo fix just passed my stress test, would you give it a test on your setup. http://www.rcn-ee.net/deb/kernel/testing/2.6.31-0.3.uImage and http://www.rcn-ee.net/deb/kernel/testing/2.6.31-0.3-modules.tar.gz
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[16:46:30] <kblin> rcn-ee: sure, hang on
[16:47:32] <rcn-ee> kblin, no problem, just tested it with a 1 gig file, going to spend some time rebuilding 2.6.29 to make sure it fixes it their too..
[16:49:37] <kblin> booting :)
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[16:55:59] <kblin> rcn-ee: the first md5sums checked out fine, once I've confirmed all of them, I'll go push a file to see if the fifo patch affected the speed
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[17:00:33] <eFfeM> anyone here by any chance an idea how to patch a test for "checking whether pthread_t can be used by GCC atomic builtins" in configure?
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[17:19:00] <kblin> rcn-ee: ok, my transfer averaged at 2.4 MB/s
[17:20:11] <rcn-ee> kblin, cool, so we gained over the revert, but lost a little..
[17:20:41] <kblin> yeah
[17:21:16] <kblin> I'd probably need to try a bigger file to get better statistics
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[17:37:27] <jean85> rcn-ee: hi...if i didnt do the sgx installation, will it boot?
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[17:38:16] <rcn-ee> jean85, anything past "advanced" is not required for normal boot..
[17:39:23] <jean85> tats great...
[17:39:42] <jean85> well rfs buid still not finished...
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[17:41:58] <rcn-ee> jean85, is it still getting stuck past "freeing init memory:"
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[17:43:24] <jean85> no, rfs still on building stage...
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[17:45:47] <hlfshell> I'm taking a wild stab that this chat is for the beagleboard and not beagles, correct? :-p
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[17:54:39] <mru> hmm, guess he doesn't like dogs
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[18:27:25] <ds2> morning
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[18:35:23] <dirk2> prpplague: I saw you added the Beagle IDs to eLinux wiki. Good idea! Thanks :)
[18:35:37] <prpplague> dirk2: hehe wasn't me
[18:35:45] <prpplague> dirk2: someone else did that
[18:36:04] * dirk2 realizes that it was Md84419 ;)
[18:38:17] <dirk2> prpplague: Have you already had some time to look at U-Boot Zippy EEPROM detection patch?
[18:39:18] <prpplague> dirk2: yes, i started looking at it and testing it with a couple of boards
[18:40:00] <dirk2> prpplague: The main thing I'd like to get tested is how it works *without* Zippy. I was too lazy to unmount my Zippy again ;)
[18:41:23] <dirk2> prpplague: Next, I will start to think about SPI glue for U-Boot
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[18:42:35] <prpplague> dirk2: dandy
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[18:46:32] <jean85> rcn-ee: u tere?
[18:46:43] <jean85> rcn-ee: u there?
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[18:49:40] <eFfeM> koen: thanks for the mythtv patch
[18:49:46] <koen> np
[18:50:04] <koen> I needed a distraction from debugging gcc compiler bugs/boost bugs
[18:50:16] <koen> the boost people say it's a gcc bug and the gcc people say it's a boot bug
[18:50:22] <koen> s/boot/boost/
[18:50:27] <eFfeM> hm sounds familiar
[18:50:36] <jean85> rcn-ee: u there?
[18:51:16] <eFfeM> koen, do you happen to have an idea how to patch configure if it wants to test if pthread_t can be used by gcc atomic builtins ?
[18:51:29] <eFfeM> for now I have commented out the test
[18:51:50] <koen> heh
[18:52:00] <koen> how did you guess that I was debugging atomic ops?
[18:52:09] * koen stabs __sync_add_and_fetch_4
[18:52:12] <eFfeM> i was not :-)
[18:52:15] <eFfeM> just luck
[18:52:30] <koen> if it compiles and links, ship it :)
[18:52:33] <eFfeM> mythtv 0.22 requires mysql5
[18:52:43] <koen> eFfeM: mru knows the magic for testing that sort of stuff
[18:53:05] <koen> (and mythtv's configure is based on the ffmpeg one, which mru looks after)
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[18:53:52] <eFfeM> i've patched it out now i'm running into a gen_lex_hash exe, guess that is the reason there is a mysql-native (to do those things)
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[18:54:01] * eFfeM is learning new things every day
[18:54:09] <koen> gen_lex_hash? sounds like pcre
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[18:56:02] <koen> eFfeM: we used to have EXTRA_OEMAKE = "'GEN_LEX_HASH=${STAGING_BINDIR_NATIVE}/gen_lex_hash'"
[18:56:34] <eFfeM> ah, ok that might explain things!!!!!!!!!!!!
[18:57:02] <koen> I remember fixing mysql in 2007
[18:57:38] <eFfeM> I saw a patch for that in mysql/files
[18:58:38] <eFfeM> but that patch is not applied any more for mysql4, it came with a lex_hash.h so that part of the makefile was never run
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[18:59:05] <eFfeM> and the EXTRA_OEMAKE line was commented out
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[18:59:17] <eFfeM> i think i start to understand thigns
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[18:59:41] <eFfeM> this mythtv thing brings me to all kind of unexpected corners
[19:00:23] <eFfeM> but still have hopes to get it working :-)
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[19:01:10] <koen> is '#if !defined(__SOMETHING__)' valid c?
[19:01:26] <ds2> think so
[19:02:04] <eFfeM> koen, yes
[19:04:42] <koen> thanks
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[19:16:00] <koen> rebuilding a modified boost for armv7a won't help building asio for armv5te
[19:16:29] <koen> thankfully boost is a small C lib that compiles in a few seconds
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[19:22:12] <janneg> eFfeM, koen: which mythtv patch?
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[19:28:01] <janneg> eFfeM: http://code.google.com/p/minimyth/source/browse/trunk/gar-minimyth/script/db/mysql/files/mysql-5.1.40-have_atomic_pthread_t.patch?spec=svn5729&r=5729
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[19:29:03] <amitshah1> I am trying to get angstorm on omapzoom2 but finding some problems .... could anyone got it working
[19:29:09] <eFfeM> janneg that looks a very interesting patch
[19:32:34] <eFfeM> i just nuked that test but will try to apply your patch later (let's see first where the currently running compile stops ;-) )
[19:32:45] <eFfeM> janneg do you have more interesting patches like that one
[19:33:42] <janneg> eFfeM: I could ask google if you give me more keywords
[19:34:16] <janneg> ;)
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[19:35:48] <eFfeM> janneg peeked one dir up in the minmyth tree, that also gave some other patches
[19:36:33] <eFfeM> janneg, I have mostly everything compiling, will keep you posted on the progress
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[19:42:09] <salva> Hi to everyone
[19:42:28] <salva> just few question on dsp
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[19:44:31] <salva> there is a way to debug code on the dsp without the jtag emulator?
[19:47:34] <mru> stare at the code until the bugs jump out ;-)
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[19:55:33] <ds> salva: bisecting from known working code
[19:55:54] <ds> salva: and interpreting the cryptic messages that you get from the kernel
[19:56:56] <ds> also, make sure you use --mem_model:const=far --mem_model:data=far
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[20:03:43] <salva> thanks guy
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[20:11:46] <_av500_> and so he learned all there is to learn about dsp debugging and left....
[20:12:20] <mru> guess it wasn't that hard
[20:12:34] <eFfeM> :-)
[20:13:07] <mru> my task tomorrow is to teach the my team at work how to debug mips code without debugging symbols, printf or anything else that's useful
[20:13:22] <mru> I think I just might frighten them
[20:13:39] <_av500_> mru: and pub all day friday i hope...
[20:13:53] <_av500_> so they forget what they learned the day before...
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[20:16:24] <eFfeM> no printf ???
[20:16:33] <mru> core dump
[20:16:36] <mru> generally
[20:16:44] <mru> that's usually the situation
[20:16:50] <_av500_> code writtne by 3rd party?
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[20:17:18] <eFfeM> ah ok, with a coredump a symbol table is nice though
[20:17:24] <mru> source code is available, but the executable that created the core is stripped
[20:17:44] <mru> but there is no symbol table
[20:18:03] <mru> only what's left behind by strip on a dynamically linked elf
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[20:18:19] <mru> i.e. extern functions
[20:18:32] <mru> which turns out to be enough quite often
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[20:18:45] <ds2> debugging mips code w/o symbols, printf, etc? that isn't that hard
[20:19:06] <ds2> now if you were to add - no power allowed on the processor.. ;)
[20:19:09] <mru> it is if you don't know how a computer actually works
[20:19:14] <_av500_> stack still intact?
[20:19:23] <mru> did I mention you don't have the hardware?
[20:19:33] <mru> stack intact, but gdb can't make sense of it
[20:19:37] <ds2> that adds a bit of challenge
[20:19:48] <ds2> but at least you know the arch
[20:19:48] <mru> you have to unwind it manually
[20:19:52] <mru> it's easy but tedious
[20:20:01] <ds2> and it sounds like you know the compiler that produced it
[20:20:08] <mru> gcc
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[20:20:16] <_av500_> mru: i bet you could debug cat /dev/random > core.dat
[20:20:27] <mru> rm core.dat
[20:20:33] <ds2> that should give you a rough idea of what the stack arrangement and register assignment is
[20:20:36] <_av500_> done, pub!
[20:20:55] <mru> yeah, I know how gcc usually behaves
[20:20:59] <mru> the others don't
[20:21:05] <ds2> that's their problem :P
[20:21:11] <ds2> so it isn't THAT hard of a problem
[20:21:17] <mru> they shall suffer, mwahahaha
[20:21:27] <ds2> start with unknown CPU core, and unknown compiler...
[20:21:37] <mru> oh, that's much harder
[20:21:38] <_av500_> mru: just come back 2w later as an outside consultant for 2x the pay...
[20:22:23] <ds2> do you have schematics?
[20:23:24] <mru> the sitation has typically been this: we've given stripped executables to the customer, who runs them on their hardware until it crashes
[20:23:30] <mru> they send us the core dump
[20:24:38] <ds2> I used to deal with those all the time
[20:25:03] <ds2> and to make it fun, the source was in CVS and usually some one has gone in and changed CVS history manually
[20:25:43] <ds2> find wild pointers and guess at potential overwrite sources given how much the overwrite resembles a known datastructure
[20:26:07] <mru> that's it
[20:26:34] <_av500_> mru: slides will be available? :)
[20:26:36] <ds2> that isn't that hard
[20:26:57] <ds2> one time it lead into following malloc code in libc... THAT was NOT fun
[20:26:59] <mru> ds2: it's easy if you have a few years experience of low-level hacking
[20:27:37] <ds2> mru: best way to learn is to tell each of them that you have 24hours to figure this out or you are fired... gives them motivation to learn
[20:27:40] <mru> these are people who learned mips basics last monday
[20:27:45] <ds2> oh
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[20:28:17] <mru> and that's assuming they remember what I told them
[20:28:23] <ds2> MIPS is risc
[20:28:27] <_av500_> ds2: mru is leaving the company
[20:28:41] <ds2> the reduced instruction set should be easier to comprehend }:-)
[20:28:47] <ds2> _av500_: I know
[20:28:52] <_av500_> so he has to do a vulcan mind meld with the team
[20:29:42] <mru> it took them several minutes to accept the reality of branch delay slots
[20:30:39] <_av500_> what is there to accept? its like that, so simple
[20:30:49] <ds2> are these app programmers?
[20:31:01] <_av500_> so they all code for an arch they have no idea of?
[20:31:18] <mru> isn't that what most people do
[20:31:25] <_av500_> hmm
[20:31:34] <_av500_> ja :)
[20:31:52] <ds2> bbl
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[20:41:16] <ds> debugging symbols aren't really much help on MIPS (mips-32, that is)
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[20:46:58] <xander85> does anyone have any experience with the leopard board? im trying to get my to even come up in miniport and im having issues
[20:47:01] <xander85> and there chat won't work
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[20:50:21] <huichen> can anyone help on a busybox problem? I compile the buildroot with busybox and successfully installed it on my BB. however I can't run my application. "./main" gave "-sh: ./main: not found" error. main is a simple helloworld program crosscompiled with arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc
[20:50:50] <mru> dynamic linker missing
[20:51:04] <huichen> can you specify?
[20:51:31] <mru> you need to compile against a libc compatible with the target system
[20:51:38] <mru> ideally the same
[20:51:58] <mru> is the board running uclibc?
[20:52:14] <huichen> yes, all default from buildroot
[20:52:27] <mru> but the compiler is using glibc
[20:52:27] <huichen> buildroot was built with its default toolchain
[20:52:47] <mru> ditch buildroot, use OE </koen>
[20:52:56] <huichen> I thought glibc is back compatible with uclibc
[20:53:05] <mru> not in the slightest
[20:54:21] <huichen> i tried build buildroot with sourcery's gnueabi gcc but failed
[20:54:45] <huichen> that's why I stick to br's default toolchain
[20:55:00] <mru> you can't mix uclibc and glibc
[20:55:09] <_av500_> huichen: and your app is compiled with the same toolchain?
[20:55:55] <huichen> _av500_: no main is compiled with sourcery's glibc and busybox with buildroot's default toolchain
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[20:56:06] <mru> THAT WILL NEVER WORK
[20:56:06] <huichen> maybe that's the problem
[20:56:09] <_av500_> yes
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[20:57:53] <huichen> ok. how about compile buildroot/busybox/uclibc with sourcery's toolchain? will that work?
[20:58:10] <_av500_> sure
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[20:58:28] <_av500_> but its somewhat uncharted
[20:58:49] <_av500_> huichen: why not use br toolchain?
[20:58:56] <prpplague> sakoman: ping
[20:59:36] <huichen> br is using gnu's gcc right? I think it generates much slower than sourcery's
[20:59:50] <_av500_> huichen: cs is also gcc
[21:00:09] <huichen> with optimization?
[21:00:29] <_av500_> what optomization?
[21:01:15] <huichen> i remember someone made a bencharmark. let me find it for you
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[21:04:57] <xander85> does anyone have any experience with the leopard board?
[21:05:14] <_av500_> huichen: not so many ppl here
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[21:05:38] <xander85> i'm trying to figure out if i need a serial to 2.5mm cable to use minicom or if I can use usb like the beagleboard
[21:06:53] <_av500_> xander85: im not sure the leopard uboot supports serial
[21:07:03] <_av500_> id go for the real serial 1st..
[21:07:14] <huichen> _av500_: check out this post http://hardwarebug.org/2009/08/05/arm-compiler-shoot-out/
[21:07:31] <_av500_> why did i know that url would come up...
[21:07:44] <koen> _av500_: leopard uboot supports serial, but not usb :)
[21:08:14] <xander85> do i need to use the serial to 2.5mm cable or can I use the same serial cable I use for the beagleboard
[21:08:15] <_av500_> usb serial i meant to write :)
[21:08:38] <_av500_> xander85: i would use whatever fits the leopard
[21:08:51] <koen> which is the 2.5mm cable
[21:08:52] <_av500_> or brute force...
[21:08:54] <huichen> has anyone tried compiling br with sourcery's gcc?
[21:09:11] <_av500_> yes
[21:09:19] <huichen> no problem for you?
[21:09:32] <_av500_> but we switched from 2007q3 to br stock 4.4.1
[21:09:49] <xander85> damn i dont have a 2.5mm cable and need to demo the board tomorrow
[21:09:54] <huichen> 2007q3 is old. i'm using 2009q1
[21:09:57] <xander85> and it's probably not somethign i can get locally
[21:09:59] * koen likes how csl 2009q1 has a patched linux-libc-headers which breaks compilation of networking stuff due to the patch being faulty
[21:10:03] <_av500_> huichen: no, but we of course adapted the br gcc patches..
[21:10:18] * mru uses only the compiler from csl
[21:10:31] <koen> and 2009q1 has a binutils that emits strange relocations for kernel modules
[21:10:56] <_av500_> xander85: you can also solder directly
[21:11:11] <_av500_> koen: that what u patch :)
[21:11:55] <_av500_> xander85: or show the board as is and an educational video :)
[21:12:09] <xander85> hahah yeah that would work
[21:12:16] <xander85> i guess i'll try to hack a cable, can't be too bad
[21:12:29] <_av500_> no, its 3 pins to get right
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[21:13:31] * _av500_ is constantly soldering new serial cable thingies...
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[21:16:05] <huichen> i'm trying to compile BR with sourcery gcc. "Toolchain type" = "external", "external toolchain c lib" = "glibc" and "external toolchain path" and "external toolchain prefix" are correctly set.
[21:16:08] <xander85> well off to radio shack to get the parts
[21:16:18] <xander85> and i hate radioshack :)
[21:16:46] <huichen> error : Checking external toolchain settings \n Incorrect selection of the C library
[21:16:56] <huichen> :(
[21:17:02] <_av500_> didnt they rename=
[21:17:04] <_av500_> didnt they rename?
[21:17:23] <_av500_> huichen: no, we imported cs into br and added the config
[21:17:46] <_av500_> im not sure external tc works with building uclibc
[21:18:01] <_av500_> i think br assumes external tc is also external libc
[21:18:34] <huichen> you mean I shouldn't use external tc at all?
[21:18:51] <_av500_> as said, i am not sure you can build uclibc with it
[21:18:59] <huichen> what version cs you imported into br?
[21:19:11] <huichen> ok
[21:19:14] <_av500_> we did that with cs2007q3
[21:19:17] <adj> why use buildroot at all?
[21:19:37] <_av500_> which is 4.2.1 based, so we copied 4.2.1 config
[21:19:48] <huichen> adj: I want a minimal system to start with. I thought br is much smaller than OE
[21:19:50] <_av500_> and made the 4.2.1 br patches apply...
[21:20:08] <adj> huichen: yep, but where does one need buildroot for that?
[21:20:13] <_av500_> we also use external tc, but only for x86 builds...
[21:20:46] <adj> i tried without buildroot, just took cs2007q3 and kernel sources plus busybox sources
[21:21:11] <_av500_> adj: no libc?
[21:21:31] <huichen> ok. I tried compile busybox alone with cs2009q1. failed
[21:21:35] <adj> of course libc, from the complier package
[21:22:21] <huichen> so OE uses libc right?
[21:22:30] <huichen> can one use uclibc in OE?
[21:22:40] <_av500_> huichen: compilation can fail in many ways....
[21:23:04] <adj> is there any reason to use uclibc??
[21:23:05] <huichen> i cannot remember which way. I'm repeating it now
[21:23:15] <_av500_> huichen: i think oe supports uclibc
[21:23:16] <huichen> lightweight
[21:23:47] <_av500_> and undreppered :)
[21:24:40] <huichen> I didn't know. i'm doing my course project and my professor suggests starting from uclibc. we use uclibc/busybox on our lab boards also. no problem with cs compiled binaries.
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[21:26:41] <koen> ah
[21:27:01] <koen> how most stories start with "my professor suggested..."
[21:27:08] <mru> hey koen, what took you so long?
[21:27:17] <koen> and end with "... wasted 3 months"
[21:27:32] <huichen> lol
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[21:32:16] <_av500_> huichen: for a course project i woul not worry much libc vs uclibc...
[21:32:35] <_av500_> use oe to get your root fs then concentrate on your app...
[21:32:48] <_av500_> unless your goal is to cram it in 128kb...
[21:32:54] <_av500_> or so...
[21:32:57] <mru> roomy!
[21:33:32] <_av500_> mru: 32k for brit stanrds...
[21:33:38] <_av500_> +da
[21:33:50] <_av500_> gn
[21:34:03] <huichen> my goal is to boot the beagle in 5 seconds or even less. I will try OE. Thanks for your help
[21:34:18] <mru> define boot
[21:34:27] <huichen> and everyone else's help :)
[21:34:47] <huichen> releasing power button to a browser
[21:34:56] <mru> not likely
[21:35:07] <mru> unless you're using some kind of suspend
[21:35:22] <huichen> what ever works
[21:36:16] <huichen> i achieved 9s now and one month left to finish the project
[21:36:59] <huichen> that's why I want to minimize everything
[21:37:14] <mru> my perpetual motion project has already reached 99.9% efficiency, and I have a month left... I reckon I'll make it to 101% by then
[21:37:31] <huichen> lol
[21:37:55] <mru> spending lots of effort on minimising boot time is a waste of time
[21:37:55] <muriani> mru: Steorn would like to have a word with you.
[21:38:01] <mru> you don't reboot that often
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[21:38:48] <huichen> it's just for learning purpose, to get familiar with bootloader/kernel etc
[21:39:32] <mru> that's all good, but you don't need to be pushing for the impossible to understand the system
[21:41:16] <huichen> prof wouldn't fail me if the deadline (5s) can't be meet. just trying to make it as short as possible
[21:45:02] <huichen> yes, I tried statically compile main.c and it worked
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[21:46:11] <janneg> huichen: boot time to a browser should be dominated by init/userspace
[21:46:23] <huichen> though I got a HUGE helloworld. almost 600K. LOL
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[21:48:02] <huichen> i'm going to use directfb to make loading faster
[21:48:19] <djlewis_> A professor once told my class the quickest display with shortest code would be a winner (kim-1, hello world, scrolling)
[21:48:37] * djlewis_ wrote the shortest code and fastest dieplay but lost.
[21:49:03] <djlewis_> professor didnt understand the purpose of a mnemonic I used.
[21:49:47] <mru> all too common
[21:50:09] <djlewis_> sad but true, mru
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[22:03:09] <huichen> what's the smallest functional 2.6.29 kernel (with usb hub and usb network) for rc3 you have ever made? I can make it ~1.4M
[22:03:21] <huichen> without using mthumb
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[22:06:36] <flaco> hey all... I'm installing Angstrom on the beagleboard following this wiki http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/HowToGetAngstromRunning but in the section III I try to put the command mmcinit and I get Unknown command 'mmcinit' - try 'help', any ideas?
[22:07:24] <huichen> mmc init
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[22:10:23] <max> hi *
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[22:11:10] <Guest19603> i got a fresh install of debian on my beagleboard
[22:11:29] <flaco> huichen, thanks
[22:11:31] <Guest19603> it's working so far except the graphical desktop - it says unable to open display...
[22:11:37] <Guest19603> anyone any hints?
[22:11:54] <huichen> flaco, you are welcome!
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[22:14:53] <tingyo> hey, I just bought a beagleboard. when i hook it up to the monitor right out of the box, should it display anything other than the splash screen?
[22:15:08] <Guest19603> no...
[22:16:33] <tingyo> ahh ok. I tried going through the diagnostics but it doesn't seem to do anything other than the splash screen and then it seems to kind of freeze before the while splash screen fades out
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[22:17:06] <Guest19603> its the 10-seccond autoboot
[22:17:14] <Guest19603> after that the splash fades out
[22:17:23] <Guest19603> are you connected via serial?
[22:17:28] <djlewis_> but huichen will be making that much faster.
[22:19:02] <tingyo> no, i was trying to hold the user button before powering it on with the usb to run diagnostics
[22:19:09] <huichen> ...
[22:21:13] <huichen> i'm setting up a wiki with my teammate and will come back tell you guys what we can achieve at the end of the semester
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[22:25:33] <huichen> am I missing something? after make under BR directory. there isn't an output directory as said in the manual http://buildroot.uclibc.org/buildroot.html
[22:25:50] <huichen> or the manual is too old?
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[22:38:29] <flaco> huichen, in this line OMAP3 beagleboard.org # setenv bootcmd 'mmcinit; fatload mmc 0 0x80300000 uImage; bootm 0x80300000' should I change mmcinit; to mmc init; ?
[22:39:02] <huichen> yes I think so
[22:41:05] <flaco> mm.. damn.. I follow the wiki and still I get the promp to interrupt the automatic boot
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[22:49:47] <huichen> what's your printenv?
[22:50:01] <huichen> and version of u-boot?
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[22:55:57] <amitshah1> hi i am trying to build a angstrom image for beagleboard using OE .... are tr any instructions on how to start
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[23:10:48] <djlewis_> amitshah1: try http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard
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[23:21:09] <flaco> huichen, http://dpaste.com/116390/ the printenv
[23:21:42] <flaco> how can I see the version of u-boot?
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[23:24:05] <huichen> flaco, can you say it again what's the problem exactly?

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