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IRC Log for 2009-11-10

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  19. [00:36:50] <torusle> hi folks
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  23. [00:42:58] <hlfshell> wget http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_1.0.13~jaunty1_all.deb is returning 404 not found. anyone know what the real address is or where it moved to?
  24. [00:44:02] <rcn-ee> hlfshell, just use the latest at: http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/main/d/debootstrap/ i'll update the wiki for easy copy/paste
  25. [00:44:55] <edufelipe> Hi folks! I'm getting a "vo: couldn't open the X11 display ()!" error when trying to use mplayer. Any thoughts?
  26. [00:44:55] <hlfshell> thank you rcn-ee
  27. [00:45:02] <hlfshell> is that 9.10 or 9.04?
  28. [00:45:48] <hlfshell> oh nm
  29. [00:46:24] <rcn-ee> both, karmic will come with 1.0.20, if you apt-get it, but rootstock is in apt-get so it'll pull the correct dependices..
  30. [00:46:34] <edufelipe> Nevermind. I forgot to "export DISPLAY=:0"
  31. [00:47:21] <torusle> hey - does anyone knows how to execute code in "secure privileged" operation-mode? I want to enable some things in CP14 and CP15.
  32. [00:47:53] <torusle> executing from a kernel-module is not secure enough.
  33. [00:49:34] <mru> what things?
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  36. [00:56:43] <Gh0st75> hullo
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  39. [01:05:26] <djlewis> mru: so how was the first work day off work ;)
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  43. [01:06:46] <djlewis> GrizzlyAdams:Yo, how ya doin?
  44. [01:08:13] <djlewis> Interesting, if the subject is well illuminated I get video dropouts from my webcam.
  45. [01:08:26] <djlewis> On my BB, that is.
  46. [01:08:33] <mru> djlewis: nice and quiet
  47. [01:08:43] <djlewis> mru: :)
  48. [01:09:09] <mru> I need to work out a routine, or I'll become disorganised
  49. [01:09:25] <GrizzlyAdams> djlewis: working on stabilizing my usb port :P
  50. [01:10:16] <djlewis> mru: you worked there a long time?
  51. [01:10:38] * djlewis throws GrizzlyAdams some duct tape.
  52. [01:10:45] <mru> djlewis: 4 years
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  54. [01:10:52] <mru> that's about 2 years too many
  55. [01:11:04] <GrizzlyAdams> djlewis: actually i gotta solder on a 22uF cap to C97 :P
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  57. [01:11:51] <hlfshell> which is the current stable release for android - cupcake or donut?
  58. [01:12:19] <djlewis> mru: last job I left was 4 years too. I sunk myself into my own projects for a time.
  59. [01:12:32] <mru> hlfshell: whatever I'm not running on my archos ;-)
  60. [01:12:45] <djlewis> cupcake, donut, these are release names ? :P
  61. [01:12:58] <GrizzlyAdams> eclair
  62. [01:13:07] <mru> is the next
  63. [01:13:08] <djlewis> bearclaw
  64. [01:13:27] <mru> there was no B cake
  65. [01:13:40] <hlfshell> although if there was bearclaw would be awesome
  66. [01:13:47] <hlfshell> man i hope F is not fruitcake
  67. [01:13:49] <djlewis> bearclaw is an excellent desert pastry :)
  68. [01:13:54] <mru> I'm hoping maybe waffle be stable
  69. [01:13:59] <GrizzlyAdams> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastry
  70. [01:14:00] <djlewis> at least here in the south USA
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  72. [01:15:09] <djlewis> Its just on BB that I have video issues with my webcam.
  73. [01:15:22] <djlewis> And cpu cycles can be as low as 15%
  74. [01:15:37] <GrizzlyAdams> djlewis: usb webcam?
  75. [01:15:43] <djlewis> yup
  76. [01:16:09] <GrizzlyAdams> you might be hitting a similar problem to me, where usb becomes unstable with high volumes of data
  77. [01:16:31] <djlewis> solid as a rock dimmly lit subject
  78. [01:17:57] <GrizzlyAdams> eh?
  79. [01:21:33] <djlewis> had a seg fault now I have two mplayer tasks that wont die :P
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  82. [01:24:56] <djlewis> kill -9 number wont get rid of them. Logout and back dont.
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  84. [01:27:20] <djlewis> well, they dont appear to be suing resources so I shall ignore them
  85. [01:27:29] <djlewis> suing = using
  86. [01:27:44] <GrizzlyAdams> deadlocked = unfortunate
  87. [01:27:59] <GrizzlyAdams> when a process is deadlocked you're usually stuck rebooting to get rid of it
  88. [01:28:20] <GrizzlyAdams> cause its waiting on the kernel / a driver to do something for it
  89. [01:28:40] <djlewis> interesting.
  90. [01:29:06] <GrizzlyAdams> i had it happen to me back when i ran linux on my desktop 10 years ago
  91. [01:29:55] <djlewis> yep its keeping the v4l2 from opening /dev/video0
  92. [01:31:07] <djlewis> but.. a /dev/video1 was created to make up for it :)
  93. [01:31:43] <djlewis> device /dev/video0 went away.
  94. [01:32:04] <mru> usb glitch?
  95. [01:32:59] <djlewis> maybe as I was at 640x480
  96. [01:33:28] <GrizzlyAdams> theres apparently a problem (documented on the list) with some C3 boards under heavy usb load. C4 is supposed to fix it
  97. [01:33:35] <djlewis> I read a guys article that he had to use a usb 1.1 hub to force his webcams to be more reliable.
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  99. [01:34:12] <djlewis> I have even placed my wifi on otg and webcam on EHCI but no better.
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  104. [01:42:07] <GrizzlyAdams> :( just lost ehci and otg
  105. [01:42:19] <GrizzlyAdams> while trying to download bluez-utils
  106. [01:43:02] <djlewis> yeah, I blew out otg by moving a device on it
  107. [01:43:11] <GrizzlyAdams> eek
  108. [01:43:23] <djlewis> it is not blown. just a rebooot
  109. [01:43:29] <GrizzlyAdams> yeah
  110. [01:43:44] <GrizzlyAdams> thats what i'm talking about with the emi / cap issue
  111. [01:44:35] <GrizzlyAdams> would love to see if forcing the otg port to 1.1 speeds would make it more stable
  112. [01:45:20] <djlewis> hmm, been a long time since reboot. I disabled gpe-dm startup :)
  113. [01:46:54] <GrizzlyAdams> i moved all my bootvar config over to a script so i don't have to touch u-boot's console unless something very bad happens
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  115. [01:50:16] <djlewis> I do full boot from SD always
  116. [01:51:19] <djlewis> Oh, different thing.
  117. [01:51:37] <djlewis> I only set one var for display res.
  118. [01:51:40] <GrizzlyAdams> yah
  119. [01:52:37] <GrizzlyAdams> i think i have bootcmd='mmc init; fatload mmc 0:1 0x81600000 bootscr; source 0x81600000'
  120. [01:53:07] <GrizzlyAdams> then everything else (kernel selection, bootargs, actual bootm) is done in the script
  121. [01:53:41] <djlewis> I'd have to look. if it is not in 260000 for 20000 locations then it is saved.
  122. [01:54:19] <djlewis> I erase the above per sakoman's recommendation.
  123. [01:55:02] <GrizzlyAdams> now you have me lost
  124. [01:55:33] <djlewis> after 2.6.28 using angstrom, erasing that area cleans it up for booting
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  126. [01:55:48] <djlewis> in nand
  127. [01:55:52] <GrizzlyAdams> oh
  128. [01:57:01] <torusle> dooo - why are the dsplink headers all over the place and not in a single directory...
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  130. [01:58:04] <djlewis> GrizzlyAdams: did I mention my webcams need sunglasses to view outdoors?
  131. [02:00:21] <GrizzlyAdams> haha
  132. [02:00:34] <GrizzlyAdams> my webcam tried to electrocute me :P
  133. [02:00:41] <GrizzlyAdams> (it has a flash module)
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  145. [02:59:14] <mru> 2.6.32-rc6-06421-g1119530 boots
  146. [02:59:27] <mru> that's linux-omap + dss2 + oe patches + my patches
  147. [03:00:30] <djlewis> mru: cool, is this a console version?
  148. [03:00:42] <mru> yeah
  149. [03:00:44] <mru> no X here
  150. [03:00:51] <djlewis> thought so :)
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  168. [03:34:31] <mru> grrr, dss2 doesn't want to work
  169. [03:34:37] <mru> omapdss DPI: Could not find exact pixel clock. Requested 74250 kHz, got 0 kHz
  170. [03:35:20] <djlewis> 74.2M sounds pretty high
  171. [03:35:32] <mru> it's spot-on for 720p
  172. [03:35:37] <djlewis> oh
  173. [03:35:46] <mru> always used to work
  174. [03:37:27] <GrizzlyAdams> try dropping to a lower framerate
  175. [03:37:29] <ds2> nice refresh rate you got there with 0 KHz
  176. [03:37:39] <ds2> is that a stone chiseling display you got there? :D
  177. [03:37:42] <mru> GrizzlyAdams: something more fundamental is wrong
  178. [03:37:57] <mru> this should work
  179. [03:38:01] <djlewis> ds2: funny...
  180. [03:38:02] <mru> and it used to work
  181. [03:38:12] <GrizzlyAdams> you're possibly getting too much front/back porch
  182. [03:38:26] <mru> THE SETTINGS ARE CORRECT
  183. [03:38:26] <GrizzlyAdams> try using the reduced blanking option
  184. [03:38:34] <GrizzlyAdams> :/
  185. [03:38:49] <mru> it's the clock generation that's failing
  186. [03:39:19] <GrizzlyAdams> whats your mode setting?
  187. [03:39:34] <mru> same as always
  188. [03:39:38] <mru> standard 720p
  189. [03:39:45] <mru> that is not the problem
  190. [03:39:45] <GrizzlyAdams> could you maybe paste it just to humor us?
  191. [03:39:48] <mru> no
  192. [03:40:55] <mru> http://pastebin.ca/1664422
  193. [03:41:01] <mru> that doesn't look right
  194. [03:41:09] <mru> any ideas?
  195. [03:41:44] <snowman_> I know this is somewhat of a biased party but do you guys think that I should get a beagleboard to play with or stick with smaller electronics like my arduino. I know a little about everything like linux, programming, networking, hardware, etc.
  196. [03:42:08] <GrizzlyAdams> snowman_: get a beagleboard
  197. [03:42:24] <GrizzlyAdams> and a 5v regulated psu
  198. [03:42:46] <snowman_> but why? what'd be the difference between that and a arduino besides processing power and a few more interfaces?
  199. [03:42:56] <djlewis> yep
  200. [03:43:25] <snowman_> btw i'm 15 so I don't have a lot of money to invest in the beagleboard.
  201. [03:43:30] <GrizzlyAdams> arduino = . beagle = [!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]
  202. [03:43:36] <rcn-ee> mru, was this with Tomi's updated 19 patches sent out on the list today? I had 720p working with the previous patch set for 2.6.32-rc5..
  203. [03:43:59] <mru> I pulled a patchset from his gitorious tree
  204. [03:44:00] <snowman_> GrizzlyAdams: ...
  205. [03:44:01] <mru> today
  206. [03:44:08] <GrizzlyAdams> beagle has so much more power compared to arduino its like getting a ferarri after driving a pinto
  207. [03:44:38] <GrizzlyAdams> but at the same time, driving a ferarri requires a bit more skill than driving a pinto
  208. [03:45:09] <snowman_> I know but all the extra connections and complexity in general is somewhat daunting. btw do you need much besides the beagleboard itself and an RS232 connector?
  209. [03:45:23] <djlewis> mru: you got your BB running 600Mhz?
  210. [03:45:37] <mru> hmm, actually I do
  211. [03:45:42] <mru> do you think that's the problem?
  212. [03:45:48] <djlewis> that explains line 8
  213. [03:45:49] <mru> it used to work
  214. [03:46:42] <ds2> mru: could it be you were somehow relying on side effects in U-boot to setup your clocks?
  215. [03:46:53] <mru> no u-boot change
  216. [03:47:04] <ds2> right
  217. [03:47:13] <snowman_> see like right now I don't have much of an idea about what you're talking about
  218. [03:47:20] <ds2> the newer kernel could be cleaning up things or forcing it to a known state
  219. [03:47:31] <ds2> seem to recall there was something about clock cleanups
  220. [03:47:36] <rcn-ee> according to his email, he did improve the 'dsi' code..
  221. [03:47:44] <djlewis> snowman_: if we did the problem would go away ;)
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  227. [03:48:11] <snowman_> lol but you're terminology is what I don't understand...
  228. [03:48:20] <snowman_> I guess that comes with learning
  229. [03:48:54] <djlewis> snowman_: yes, and if you are as young as you say you are then you have a lot of space left for it. :)
  230. [03:49:29] <snowman_> yah I actually am 15, I'm not one of those creepy 40 year olds posing as a kid looking for sum booty :-$
  231. [03:49:39] <GrizzlyAdams> when i was that young i was writing menus for dreamcast, and window managers for X
  232. [03:49:50] <mru> snowman_: you wouldn't find any here...
  233. [03:49:58] <snowman_> LOL
  234. [03:50:03] <djlewis> When I was that young a computer filled a large room.
  235. [03:50:11] <mru> nice to see some kids taking interest in Real Stuff ;-)
  236. [03:50:24] <snowman_> I can't find one thing to keep learning about... my mind jumps all over the place cuz I find it all interesting
  237. [03:50:25] <snowman_> LOL
  238. [03:50:27] <GrizzlyAdams> theres less than 1% chance of finding a cute girl in here teens in here.
  239. [03:50:38] <snowman_> you never know
  240. [03:50:45] <Animule> "IRC... Where the men are men and most of the women are too."
  241. [03:50:54] <snowman_> ROFL
  242. [03:51:06] <djlewis> hehee
  243. [03:51:06] <mru> aka GIRL
  244. [03:51:36] <GrizzlyAdams> the creepy folks don't hang out on freenode, and the ones that do are in #richardstallmanworship
  245. [03:51:50] <snowman_> like I said do you need much besides the board itself and a few connectors? like $200? I'm about to sell my 360 so I have a nice cashflow toward my electronics
  246. [03:52:00] <snowman_> haha
  247. [03:52:06] <mru> GrizzlyAdams: and in #netbsd-furries
  248. [03:52:15] <mru> that channel actually exists
  249. [03:52:16] <GrizzlyAdams> and likely eating the cruft they find between their toes while they wait for him to do something...
  250. [03:52:26] <GrizzlyAdams> mru: haha
  251. [03:52:46] <snowman_> Do any of you guys remember back to telephone modems and dumb terminals?
  252. [03:52:54] <snowman_> or is that too old?
  253. [03:52:58] * GrizzlyAdams has run screaming from a room filled with furries before
  254. [03:53:07] <mru> GrizzlyAdams: I only know because a furry we banned from #alpha was there too
  255. [03:53:09] <djlewis> that question was asked earlier
  256. [03:53:15] <GrizzlyAdams> snowman_: i've got 300 baud modems
  257. [03:53:32] <GrizzlyAdams> somewhere i have a 75baud dedicated line modem
  258. [03:53:34] * mru only goes down to 2400
  259. [03:53:42] <Animule> I still have a 2400 data/fax modem
  260. [03:53:45] <mru> and that's pushing it
  261. [03:53:50] <djlewis> I started at 75baud
  262. [03:53:51] <GrizzlyAdams> (75 baud dedicated line modems are *useless*)
  263. [03:54:08] <snowman_> wow... man... now was minicom or telix a piece of software that was like the only code on a dumb terminal or was that somehting on a modem?
  264. [03:54:09] <GrizzlyAdams> you can only connect to another fixed point with them
  265. [03:54:16] <djlewis> GrizzlyAdams: still faster than I can type :P
  266. [03:54:28] <mru> a dumb terminal has *no* code
  267. [03:54:31] <GrizzlyAdams> snowman_: both were "smart terminal emulators"
  268. [03:54:39] <Animule> *click*
  269. [03:54:39] <djlewis> sure it fdoes mru
  270. [03:54:39] <mru> nothing you can see at least
  271. [03:54:45] * Animule 's laundry just finished
  272. [03:54:51] <djlewis> a firmware and font
  273. [03:54:54] <Animule> whoa, both washer and dryer at the same time...
  274. [03:55:04] <snowman_> but how did the software play in to that era? dumb terminal -> modem -> mainframe
  275. [03:55:05] <mru> djlewis: of course there's a computer of some kind inside
  276. [03:55:10] <snowman_> wheres the minicom software?
  277. [03:55:11] <GrizzlyAdams> i've got some smart terminals in my collection too, vt340+ (really nifty, even does 800x480 graphics)
  278. [03:55:27] <GrizzlyAdams> snowman_: minicom is a unix modem terminal package
  279. [03:55:28] <djlewis> nide term
  280. [03:55:31] <djlewis> nice
  281. [03:55:42] <ds2> mru: which kernel is failing for you?
  282. [03:55:45] <snowman_> well then how did you dial out on a dumb terminal?
  283. [03:55:56] <GrizzlyAdams> you type in AT commands to your modem
  284. [03:56:09] <djlewis> software does that for you now
  285. [03:56:10] <mru> ds2: 2.6.32-rc6-something
  286. [03:56:11] <GrizzlyAdams> or if you have a really old modem you pickup the phone, dial, then push a button on the modem
  287. [03:56:19] <ds2> you manually dial then use ATO
  288. [03:56:31] <ds2> or toggle DTR
  289. [03:56:37] * djlewis used an acoustic once
  290. [03:56:46] <snowman_> so the modem had a few commands on it that let you dial in to a mainframe and then it connected and it just passively sent the info to the mainframe?
  291. [03:56:47] <ds2> mru: hmmm did it work with 2.6.31?
  292. [03:56:59] <GrizzlyAdams> i have a recalvadic 1200 baud that you dial, push a button, and wait
  293. [03:57:14] <snowman_> lol ya'll are so old ;-)
  294. [03:57:21] <GrizzlyAdams> pfft i'm only 27
  295. [03:57:25] <mru> I'm only 29
  296. [03:57:39] <snowman_> thats 175% of my life span
  297. [03:57:42] <djlewis> i'm a 14 year old sweet girl :)
  298. [03:57:44] <GrizzlyAdams> i should mod my lpt port flat bed scanners into cameras one of these days
  299. [03:57:46] <snowman_> lol
  300. [03:58:00] <snowman_> but look up a few and was that how the connection worked?
  301. [03:58:17] <snowman_> google does nothing since its like 30 years old
  302. [03:58:28] <snowman_> I spent about 4 hours trying to find how this stuff worked
  303. [03:58:46] <djlewis> bound to be on wiki
  304. [03:59:19] <snowman_> It just talks about minicom and telix which is why I asked. Didn't talk much about the dumb terminal -> modem interaction
  305. [03:59:54] <djlewis> yep, a dumb terminal just ends and receives ascii bytes
  306. [04:00:09] <djlewis> type 'a' sends 41h
  307. [04:00:25] <djlewis> they send 'a' display shows 'a'
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  309. [04:00:58] <snowman_> but the dumb terminal tells the modem to connect to a certain number with its one command and then just passivly sends data to there?
  310. [04:01:06] <GrizzlyAdams> snowman_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayes_command_set
  311. [04:01:14] <djlewis> you type the command
  312. [04:01:32] <djlewis> atdt 5551212 dials that number
  313. [04:01:43] <mru> ATDP FTW
  314. [04:01:56] <snowman_> then it connects and you never see the modem until you restart it or quit from the server or something?
  315. [04:02:00] <djlewis> got me.
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  317. [04:02:18] <djlewis> Oh a cool modem will have neat blinky lights
  318. [04:02:23] <mru> there's usually a special break code you can type
  319. [04:02:23] <snowman_> thanks grizzly, thats what I've been lookin for
  320. [04:02:36] <GrizzlyAdams> the smart modems have two modes, online and offline, one is for interacting with the modem's firmware, the other is for remote systems, you can switch modes on the fly, but might get disconnected if the remote end sends you data and you don't respond to it
  321. [04:02:52] <djlewis> tmi
  322. [04:02:56] <snowman_> oh ok
  323. [04:02:59] <snowman_> djlewis: lol
  324. [04:03:15] * snowman_ enjoys not feeling confused
  325. [04:03:43] <GrizzlyAdams> ie: you can enter +++ to switch to the firmware while still connected to a remote system, do some commands (for example to read a connection diagnostic on some later modems), then use ATO to go back Online and talk to the remote system again
  326. [04:03:54] <snowman_> at least this IRC is filled with intelligent people
  327. [04:04:19] <snowman_> I kinda wish I was born in 1960
  328. [04:04:19] <djlewis> hey, the us time zone crowd :) cept mru
  329. [04:05:01] <djlewis> yeah and I'd be 7 and have to baby sit ya.
  330. [04:05:05] <GrizzlyAdams> some of the modem manufacturers ran their own bbses where you could call up using your modem, have the remote end do some line tests (with the cooperation of your modem), and then it sends back graphs with all the info about your phone line's frequency response
  331. [04:05:10] <mru> djlewis: GMT ftw
  332. [04:05:15] <snowman_> then I could follow tech and understand how it evolved by using it hands on. as opposed to being born into multi-dupexing 64-bit hyper-threaded stuff
  333. [04:05:47] <snowman_> GrizzlyAdams: jeeze do u know this cuz this was your first modem or what?
  334. [04:05:58] <djlewis> snowman_: you just get to think faster now ;)
  335. [04:06:09] <snowman_> dammit I need to be doing my spanish hw
  336. [04:06:09] <ds2> GrizzlyAdams: the USRs can do some of that w/o anything special
  337. [04:06:16] <Crofton|work> urg, home
  338. [04:06:24] <mru> morning Crofton|work
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  340. [04:06:47] <snowman_> USR = ?
  341. [04:06:54] <snowman_> United soviet republic?
  342. [04:06:56] <djlewis> brand modem
  343. [04:07:05] <snowman_> oh lol
  344. [04:07:08] <snowman_> so close
  345. [04:07:10] <djlewis> US Robotics
  346. [04:07:14] <GrizzlyAdams> lol, i've been building stuff since i was 2, i took apart my family's apple II+ and rebuilt it many times over (down to replacing capacitors, memory chips, and logic gates)
  347. [04:07:32] <snowman_> damn man was that when they costed $1000?
  348. [04:07:42] <snowman_> or when they were $10 at the flea market?
  349. [04:07:46] <djlewis> GrizzlyAdams: well it only had 8 dips for ram
  350. [04:07:48] <mru> as long as you didn't replace capacitors *with* logic gates...
  351. [04:08:01] <snowman_> ? why you have with in quotes?
  352. [04:08:09] <GrizzlyAdams> djlewis: fully loaded 48K w/ 128K ram card
  353. [04:08:18] <mru> not quotes, stars
  354. [04:08:22] <snowman_> but back then motherboards were WAY less complicated
  355. [04:08:22] <mru> *stars*
  356. [04:08:27] <djlewis> wow, you were up town :) GrizzlyAdams
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  358. [04:08:38] <snowman_> oh sorry hard to see at my resolution:tv size ratio
  359. [04:09:03] <mru> hey look, he's running irc on a c64
  360. [04:09:14] <snowman_> lol who?
  361. [04:09:14] <djlewis> would a S-100 bus be considered a motherboard?
  362. [04:09:24] <GrizzlyAdams> djlewis: also several diskII drives (8), a promethus card, 80 col graphics, and midi card
  363. [04:10:08] <GrizzlyAdams> i was hot swapping components back when it caused you to blow up a motherboard :P
  364. [04:10:40] <snowman_> lol
  365. [04:10:57] <djlewis> used to you could hot swap a floppy connector and not worry bout the bios re identifying it.
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  367. [04:12:24] <snowman_> on a scale of 1 -10, how hard is it to compile ubuntu for the BB?
  368. [04:12:35] <mru> djlewis: I've seen that done with IDE disks
  369. [04:12:43] <GrizzlyAdams> snowman_: 3
  370. [04:12:51] <djlewis> 2.5
  371. [04:12:55] <snowman_> wait isn't there a tut int he wiki or something?
  372. [04:13:00] <ds2> 0
  373. [04:13:01] <GrizzlyAdams> you don't really compile it, you just build a distro
  374. [04:13:15] <GrizzlyAdams> then format a fs, and unpack the distro into that fs
  375. [04:13:20] <snowman_> oh yah cuz isn't debian the one that compiles at installation?
  376. [04:13:22] <djlewis> or download it all put it on a sd and boot
  377. [04:13:41] <GrizzlyAdams> debian is easier to install than ubuntu
  378. [04:13:57] <snowman_> how?
  379. [04:14:06] <GrizzlyAdams> you just stick 2 files on your sd card, then boot the beagle board up and go
  380. [04:14:19] <snowman_> 2 files = ? & ?
  381. [04:14:19] <GrizzlyAdams> you can do it with only a windows box
  382. [04:14:26] <snowman_> what a rip
  383. [04:14:27] <GrizzlyAdams> kernel & installer initrd image
  384. [04:14:34] <snowman_> oh wow
  385. [04:14:42] <snowman_> and ubuntu is different how?
  386. [04:15:10] <GrizzlyAdams> you have to do the install using another linux box as a surrogate
  387. [04:15:28] <snowman_> would you want to kill me if I asked you to explain?
  388. [04:15:56] * djlewis is looking for travel deals from Little Rock to Austin
  389. [04:15:59] <GrizzlyAdams> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu <- all pretty much layed out there
  390. [04:16:18] <snowman_> thank you very much
  391. [04:16:23] <snowman_> :-)
  392. [04:16:46] <snowman_> well i'ma do my spanish I hw...
  393. [04:16:56] <GrizzlyAdams> in theory you could use the debian installer initrd to pull down a ubuntu rootfs tarball and unpack it
  394. [04:17:41] <snowman_> jeeze... this is much more complicated than the arudino...
  395. [04:17:48] <snowman_> I was happy to get serial communcations down pat
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  399. [04:21:18] <GrizzlyAdams> if i could get usb to be reliable on the beagleboard i could easily get a project that calls for 100 omap based systems (highway rest-stop map kiosks)
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  401. [04:21:56] <snowman_> jeeze
  402. [04:21:58] <GrizzlyAdams> i have a customer that uses 1ghz celeron boxes right now and they are all overheating in what is essentially an arcade cabinet
  403. [04:22:18] <snowman_> ?
  404. [04:22:26] <snowman_> so?
  405. [04:23:08] <GrizzlyAdams> replace them with beagleboards and stop the kiosks from crashing
  406. [04:23:26] <ajay> hi to all,what should be kernel parameter too boot beagleboard over S-video port from SD card
  407. [04:23:26] <snowman_> oh gotcha
  408. [04:24:08] <GrizzlyAdams> ajay: http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/LinuxHints
  409. [04:25:05] <GrizzlyAdams> ajay: also, http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/a57950001eeb54be/fc252d23f8eebc17
  410. [04:25:44] <djlewis> GrizzlyAdams: if you make it too efficient then you wont have trouble calls.
  411. [04:26:14] <GrizzlyAdams> djlewis: we don't have trouble calls for these, and the client is losing money right now servicing them.
  412. [04:26:30] <djlewis> oh, then work you magic :)
  413. [04:26:31] <GrizzlyAdams> he basically drives around the state rebooting the machines
  414. [04:27:26] <GrizzlyAdams> i gotta see what printers and displays hes using, and if they have linux support
  415. [04:27:55] <djlewis> so far my hplj's wont work.
  416. [04:27:55] <snowman_> why would a kiosk have a printer?
  417. [04:28:08] <djlewis> thats getting spanish done
  418. [04:28:11] <GrizzlyAdams> it prints maps for people
  419. [04:28:25] <snowman_> oh gotcha
  420. [04:28:35] <GrizzlyAdams> ie: you type in "City Name" and it gives you directions from the current kiosk location
  421. [04:29:56] <snowman_> ay dios mio, odio trabajar en mi espanol a mi casa
  422. [04:34:48] <GrizzlyAdams> no fumar en el bano
  423. [04:34:56] <mru> if I disable the dsi pll I get a signal
  424. [04:35:06] <snowman_> no what? in the bathroom?
  425. [04:35:08] <mru> but the idiotic monitors refuse to accept it
  426. [04:35:14] <GrizzlyAdams> no smoking in the bathroom
  427. [04:35:19] <snowman_> oh lol
  428. [04:35:25] <mru> even I knew that...
  429. [04:35:33] <snowman_> salta in el bano
  430. [04:35:43] <snowman_> llora en el bano
  431. [04:35:53] <GrizzlyAdams> i should refrain from telling you the naughty bits that will make your spanish teacher angry
  432. [04:36:03] <snowman_> pera
  433. [04:36:05] <snowman_> = bitch
  434. [04:36:10] <snowman_> asno = ass
  435. [04:36:15] <mru> GrizzlyAdams: you mean the useful bits
  436. [04:36:28] <snowman_> perra*
  437. [04:36:35] <snowman_> puta = whore
  438. [04:36:46] <ds2> mru: I think it used to work for you before is because you relied on U-boot side effects
  439. [04:36:48] <snowman_> bonito = can mean gay
  440. [04:37:10] <GrizzlyAdams> this isn't the place for bad spanish lesson
  441. [04:37:15] <snowman_> ano = anus
  442. [04:37:19] <snowman_> lol i'll stop
  443. [04:38:05] <mru> ds2: and why would they have suddenly gone away?
  444. [04:38:10] <mru> I didn't change u-boot
  445. [04:40:51] <mru> and more importantly, do you have any ideas for fixing it?
  446. [04:43:57] <GrizzlyAdams> any omap specific -march -mtune -mcpu flags i should use?
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  448. [04:44:10] <mru> -mcpu=cortex-a8
  449. [04:44:21] <mru> no need for -march and -mtune
  450. [04:46:10] <GrizzlyAdams> thx
  451. [04:46:35] <ds2> mru: cuz thekernel is probally initializing more of the clocks now
  452. [04:46:45] <GrizzlyAdams> hrm, the otg port seems much more stable than the ehci port
  453. [04:46:57] <ds2> mru: and if the code didn't request the clock properly, it'd fail
  454. [04:53:10] <djlewis> I enjoyed the visit guys, hitting the sack though.
  455. [04:53:20] <djlewis> gn all
  456. [04:54:44] <GrizzlyAdams> i can't decide if i want a 2gb rsmmc or 32gb sd class 6 card
  457. [04:57:30] <mru> ds2: do you recall any recent changes?
  458. [04:58:53] <snowman_> would converting the dvi to vga lower the performance/quality of anything?
  459. [04:59:08] <mru> that's not the problem
  460. [04:59:25] <mru> the clock is simply not there
  461. [04:59:38] <snowman_> what?
  462. [05:00:01] <mru> the clock that's suppose to drive the output isn't being set up properly
  463. [05:00:10] <mru> the resolution is irrelevant
  464. [05:00:12] <GrizzlyAdams> snowman_: to get vga you'd need an active adapter.
  465. [05:00:20] <snowman_> oh
  466. [05:00:35] <snowman_> so I'd just be easier to spend the extra bit of money for a dvi montor?
  467. [05:00:42] <GrizzlyAdams> dang, class 10 32gb cards are $225
  468. [05:00:43] <mru> sorry, I was thinking of my problem
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  476. [05:27:16] <ds2> mru: what stick is my mind is some clock tree cleanup
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  479. [05:32:36] <GrizzlyAdams> wish there was a way to hide the unused alsa channels
  480. [05:54:55] <GrizzlyAdams> <- trying to crash the usb with GBs of data streamed from a usb hdd
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  488. [06:38:33] <soundcyst> hi. i don't have orcad on this computer. can anyone clarify that the allegro design files zip is the board layout?
  489. [06:46:21] <tasslehoff> I'm implementing a sw-upgrade scheme on my beagleboard, and one of the assumptions I have made is that my sd-card partitions are named /dev/mmcblk0p[n] (and mounted in /media with the same name). There's no reason that should change?
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  491. [06:54:21] <kd> hi, has anyone tried gst-omx or gstgoo amrnb encoder plugin on beagle?
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  493. [06:56:40] <soundcyst> tasslehoff, i think that may be dependent on your linux distro
  494. [07:05:45] <tasslehoff> soundcyst: true. I run angstrom. guess I could take control over it in the code (some board*.c file in the kernel I suspect) to be sure.
  495. [07:12:08] <ynezz> tasslehoff: I think it's named that way because of udev
  496. [07:12:09] <soundcyst> seems like the best bet to me
  497. [07:12:57] <ynezz> tasslehoff: maybe you can set label names for that partitions, it should be mounted with that labels as mount point dirname
  498. [07:14:20] <ynezz> tasslehoff: tune2fs -L youlabelname /dev/mmcblk0p[n]
  499. [07:14:39] <ynezz> s/youlabelname/yourlabelname/
  500. [07:15:20] <Animule> Looks like the cat is outta the bag.
  501. [07:15:24] <Animule> Who puts cats in bags anyways?
  502. [07:15:26] <Animule> Cats hate bags.
  503. [07:15:38] <tasslehoff> ynezz: I did set labels when I partitioned in gparted, and my pc mounts it with the labels, but the beagle doesn't.
  504. [07:15:48] <ynezz> tasslehoff: ah
  505. [07:15:54] <ynezz> tasslehoff: so fix it :)
  506. [07:15:59] <tasslehoff> ynezz: :D
  507. [07:16:09] <ynezz> tasslehoff: you don't need to change kernel, just udev
  508. [07:17:05] <tasslehoff> ynezz: is blkid the way to read a label? I need to find the label in mount.sh, I guess
  509. [07:17:21] <ynezz> I don't think
  510. [07:17:27] <ynezz> it's a rule for udev
  511. [07:17:53] <ynezz> mount by disk label or something like that
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  514. [07:21:16] <tasslehoff> ynezz: in udev local.rules specifies the script that is called for removable devices. I figured I could change that script to mount by label.
  515. [07:21:47] <ynezz> good for you
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  517. [07:22:56] <tasslehoff> ynezz: thanks, it means a lot to me :D
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  520. [07:31:15] <tasslehoff> "blkid" spews a lot of IO errors when talking to my sd card. could someone test and see if it behaves better on their system?
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  522. [07:38:04] <tasslehoff> nevermind, 'udevadm info' gives me the information I need
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  538. [08:50:24] <koen|phone> mru: did you see kulve
  539. [08:50:39] <koen|phone> 's blog about ffvorbis?
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  541. [08:51:49] <av500> http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2009/11/07/n900-battery-duration-ogg-vs-mp3/
  542. [08:51:52] <av500> this one?
  543. [08:52:10] <koen|phone> yes
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  546. [08:54:15] <av500> why should the cpu ever go to 600mhz for either?
  547. [08:55:57] <av500> and why does it not go down to 125Mhz, thats the lowest OPP...
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  553. [09:19:54] <tasslehoff> I use ext3 on my sd-rootfs. Is that good, or should I avoid journaling? I've read that some people are concerned about the journaling uses up some of the finite number of writes on the card, but I'm not sure if it's an issue in real life.
  554. [09:21:52] <av500> will your device lose power unexpectedly?
  555. [09:22:38] <av500> btw, is there anything in your rootfs that you need to write to?
  556. [09:22:51] <av500> if not, consider making it read-only
  557. [09:23:12] <av500> maybe split the ro part from the rw one
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  559. [09:24:47] <tasslehoff> av500: it should not lose power unexpectedly. runs on a battery.
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  561. [09:25:40] <av500> tasslehoff: so yes :-)
  562. [09:25:43] <av500> gm _roger_
  563. [09:25:56] <XorA> use btrfs and you get advantages of a journal with no repeted writes to one disk location
  564. [09:26:07] <tasslehoff> av500: hehe. you're right.
  565. [09:26:20] <av500> use a read only root partition and write /var and /tmp to ramdisk :)
  566. [09:26:31] <XorA> although Ive had swap on SD for years and still not made one fail
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  568. [09:26:46] <XorA> hey _koen_
  569. [09:26:57] <_koen_> hey XorA
  570. [09:26:59] <av500> XorA: it is not about fail, it is about whether you want an expensive fsck or journal replay at boot...
  571. [09:27:02] <DesktopMa> doesn't basically all SD cards to internal wear levelling anyway?
  572. [09:27:10] <av500> DesktopMa: sure
  573. [09:27:14] <_koen_> DesktopMa: no, not all
  574. [09:27:21] <XorA> av500: jounral replay is a lot less expensive than a fsck
  575. [09:27:37] <DesktopMa> yeah I know some don't, but I doubt any mid or high level quality ones doesn't
  576. [09:27:59] <av500> XorA: yes, but still you might not want that
  577. [09:28:13] <XorA> heh, there is zero point in low quality flash media, might as well write your data on bog roll
  578. [09:28:16] <av500> you might be OK with that one "user data" but not on the rootfs
  579. [09:28:43] <tasslehoff> XorA: "Btrfs is under heavy development, and is not suitable for any uses other than benchmarking and review" <- doesn't sound promising :)
  580. [09:28:53] <av500> the journal will keep the fs consistent, that does not garantee the system it self to remain intact..
  581. [09:29:17] <XorA> tasslehoff: welcome to linux, half the drivers and filesystems say that and have for years :-D
  582. [09:29:40] <av500> XorA: what, no 10days money back no questions asked?
  583. [09:29:51] <XorA> tasslehoff: of course for a ro rootfs youll need to fix OE
  584. [09:29:57] <tasslehoff> XorA: :)
  585. [09:30:04] <DesktopMa> av500: you can have all your 0 dollars in return whenever you want :P
  586. [09:30:09] <av500> XorA: oh, it's broken? :)
  587. [09:30:16] <XorA> av500: totally
  588. [09:30:19] <av500> DesktopMa: with interest!
  589. [09:30:24] <XorA> bloody udev caching
  590. [09:30:24] <tasslehoff> XorA: "fix OE" sounds scary. do you mean making a minor change, or a major rewrite?
  591. [09:30:30] <av500> lol
  592. [09:31:07] <XorA> tasslehoff: there is at least one known and probably a few unknown issues
  593. [09:31:19] <XorA> tasslehoff: opkg configure running on boot will be one of them as well
  594. [09:31:35] <XorA> so make that 2 known :-D
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  596. [09:32:07] <av500> XorA: what is that for? I'd guess the system will be "defined" beforehand, no?
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  598. [09:32:29] <XorA> av500: not all packages can configure in offline mode
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  600. [09:32:42] <tasslehoff> XorA: sounds like a bad idea for me then. my schedule want as few issues as possible (as always), and I don't want to add to the boot time.
  601. [09:32:43] <XorA> av500: if your careful you can make sure your image does only have packages that can
  602. [09:32:43] <av500> ./configure?
  603. [09:33:18] <av500> XorA: you can alwayas run this config once and deploy the confiugred image as ro, no?
  604. [09:33:24] <XorA> think openssh or dropbear that generate unique keys
  605. [09:34:03] <av500> I think tasslehoff is trying to make a product, not a playground :-)
  606. [09:34:10] <XorA> it can all be worked around, but its not something that is well supported at the moment
  607. [09:34:17] <tasslehoff> av500: :D
  608. [09:35:13] * av500 guesses the end user will not have term access to use ssh...
  609. [09:35:37] <XorA> it was one of the tasks I should have been allowed to do at OM, but for some reason changing GUI every month was more important
  610. [09:35:41] <tasslehoff> The flash media will be high quality, and I think I'll settle for finding a sensible rw filesystem for now.
  611. [09:36:02] <av500> just use ext3 for now...
  612. [09:36:29] <tasslehoff> av500: ok
  613. [09:36:46] <av500> tasslehoff: so what this thing do in the end?
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  615. [09:39:34] <tasslehoff> av500: grab video, process it and display it. with some sort of gui.
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  617. [09:40:15] <av500> ah right
  618. [09:40:45] <av500> ye olde input, process, output thingy :)
  619. [09:41:35] <tasslehoff> yep :)
  620. [09:41:43] <DesktopMa> *assumes it removes clothing*
  621. [09:41:55] <DesktopMa> and if not. it should. just my two cents :P
  622. [09:42:32] * av500 thinks it shows the bones only...
  623. [09:42:48] <av500> and makes tricorder noises
  624. [09:43:34] * tasslehoff adds clothing removal to spec
  625. [09:43:55] <av500> and tricorder beeps
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  651. [11:14:45] <tasslehoff> _koen_: I tried deleting my tmp-directory and rebuilding with a clean tree, and fw_setenv still fails on my system. could you check if it currently works for you?
  652. [11:17:35] <tasslehoff> hm. could I maybe have fudged up the nand on my beagle. is there a way to get it back to mint condition?
  653. [11:22:53] <av500> nand erase 0:FFFFFFFF
  654. [11:23:02] <av500> or similar...
  655. [11:25:32] <tasslehoff> av500: I tried it on another beagleboard with the same result, so I suspect others have the problem as well.
  656. [11:25:43] <tasslehoff> just gotta make someone try it to verify..
  657. [11:34:52] <_koen_> tasslehoff: did you update your OE tree?
  658. [11:36:13] <tasslehoff> _koen_: yes. to get the change in fw_env.config for beagleboard.
  659. [11:37:44] <tasslehoff> _koen_: http://pastebin.com/d424c278e
  660. [11:50:17] <XorA> av500: just nand erase is brutal enough :-D
  661. [11:57:21] <tasslehoff> can the u-boot environment be put one the boot-partition of the sd-card?
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  670. [12:34:53] <tasslehoff> _koen_: are you there? funny story. If I do 'IMAGE_INSTALL += "u-boot-utils"' in my image recipe and build, things are sad. If I remove that, rebuild, and instead do 'opkg install u-boot', things are good.
  671. [12:35:45] <tasslehoff> so some sort of pebkac
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  673. [12:42:08] <XorA> u-boot != u-boot-utils
  674. [12:45:53] * tasslehoff has to agree
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  676. [12:47:23] <mru> tomba: ping
  677. [12:47:38] <tomba> pong
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  679. [12:47:53] <mru> tomba: I'm having some trouble with dss2 on latest git kernel
  680. [12:48:14] <mru> dsi pll as clock doesn't work
  681. [12:48:33] <mru> http://pastebin.ca/1664422
  682. [12:48:35] <tomba> on what board?
  683. [12:48:38] <mru> beagle
  684. [12:49:54] <tomba> interesting pck... and this is with dss2 that I posted yesterday?
  685. [12:49:55] <mru> I took the master-new branch from your git and applied to latest linux-omap
  686. [12:51:42] <tomba> do you have it running? can you cat debugfs/omapdss/clk
  687. [12:53:13] <mru> let me reboot so I have a clean state
  688. [12:54:27] <mru> also, if I modprobe omapdss debug=1 it hangs after those messages are printed
  689. [12:54:31] <mru> just the modprobe
  690. [12:54:36] <mru> everything else works
  691. [12:55:26] <mru> probably the BUG_ON in dispc_set_lcd_divisor
  692. [12:56:36] <tomba> the log you pastebinned gets the clocks from cache. there should be an earlier part in the log where the clocks are first configured. anything funny there?
  693. [12:56:47] <mru> hang on
  694. [12:57:14] <tomba> I'm wondering why the first config went through, but the second one (which uses the cached settings) doesn't
  695. [12:58:12] <mru> http://pastebin.ca/1664815
  696. [12:58:15] <tomba> well, I guess it's easier if I set up a proper environment =). are your beagle board/panel patches somewhere I can get?
  697. [12:58:30] <mru> git.mansr.com
  698. [12:58:49] <mru> I took what OE had
  699. [12:59:42] <tomba> ok. I need to test that
  700. [13:00:23] <mru> and the debugfs: http://pastebin.ca/1664816
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  703. [13:04:27] <orbarron> koen: ping
  704. [13:04:33] <_koen_> orbarron: pong
  705. [13:04:47] <orbarron> how it going... you been busy?
  706. [13:04:57] * _koen_ is at TI office this week
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  709. [13:06:30] <jkridner|work> Europe-friendly slots at http://wiki.omap.com/index.php/ETechDays_Community_Lightning_Talks are filling up fast.
  710. [13:06:45] <jkridner|work> guess there is really only 1 left.
  711. [13:06:53] <jkridner|work> everything else is after 5.
  712. [13:07:12] <jkridner|work> I don't mind starting a bit earlier though.
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  716. [13:09:17] <jkridner|work> _koen_: will you talk about Narcissus at the Lightning Talks?
  717. [13:10:07] <jkridner|work> ogra: any interesting news on Ubuntu for ARM?
  718. [13:10:34] <ogra> jkridner, karmic switched to ARMv6 and vfp for all builds
  719. [13:10:39] <_koen_> jkridner|work: dunno yet
  720. [13:10:54] <ogra> lucid will switch to ARMv7 + thumb2
  721. [13:11:18] <jkridner|work> ogra: care to give a 5 minute talk on it?
  722. [13:11:42] <ogra> when where ?
  723. [13:11:45] <ant_work> ah, so Angstrom is the only survivor for armv5...
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  726. [13:15:55] <jkridner|work> Nov 17, on-line (phone): http://wiki.omap.com/index.php/ETechDays_Community_Lightning_Talks
  727. [13:17:41] <mru> I think thumb2 is still mostly a bad idea for broad deployment
  728. [13:17:46] <mru> far too many bugs lurking
  729. [13:18:02] <mru> and it sometimes has unexpected effects on speed
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  732. [13:20:50] <tasslehoff> what exactly is u-boot-utils then? it's not nice of it to give me fw_getenv and fw_setenv commands that don't work :)
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  734. [13:21:19] <felipec> mru: do you mind a pm?
  735. [13:21:33] <mru> of course not
  736. [13:21:41] <mru> no need to ask
  737. [13:22:39] <mru> hmm... so no ubuntu on sheeva then?
  738. [13:22:51] <mru> guess it's not really the target market for ubuntu
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  741. [13:37:49] <tomba> mru: http://pastebin.com/d55a6ac19
  742. [13:38:07] <tomba> thanks for the bug report =)
  743. [13:38:27] <mru> can you paste that someplace that doesn't munge diffs?
  744. [13:38:55] <tomba> what's your email addr?
  745. [13:38:55] <mru> oh, the raw version is fine
  746. [13:38:58] <tomba> ok
  747. [13:40:15] <tomba> I didn't actually test if I get an image out of beagle, as I don't have anything to attach it here. but the reported bug is fixed with that patch =)
  748. [13:45:32] <mru> ok, rebooting
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  752. [13:56:07] <ogra> jkridner, bad timing, i'm at UDS on Nov 17 and am likely busy
  753. [13:56:25] <mru> ~curse usb
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  755. [13:56:35] <ogra> (sorry, in a meeting so my answers are delayed a bit)
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  757. [13:57:31] <jkridner|work> ogra: doh! well, if there is anyone else in the Ubuntu community, would encourage you to have them join. rcn-ee presented something basic at the last lightning talk.
  758. [13:57:55] <ogra> yeah, i see him in the table as well this time
  759. [13:59:04] <mru> tomba: it's working, thanks for the fix
  760. [13:59:24] <ogra> jkridner, prob weill be that all relevant arm people from the ubuntu side that could talk about it with a bit bakground knowledge are likely at UDS as well
  761. [14:00:25] <ogra> but i'll keep my ears and eyes open
  762. [14:01:31] <jkridner|work> ah, tomba, any chance you'd want to do 2 slides and spend 5 minutes talking about the state of DSS2?
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  780. [14:26:58] <torusle> hi
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  785. [14:35:36] <av500> lo
  786. [14:36:02] <prpplague> ho
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  790. [14:52:38] <s79> i use 2.6.29 on a custom board to test pm, when i try to put the system to suspend using echo mem > /sys/power/state. It does not goto suspend. it comes out immediately reporting successfully put all powerdomans to target state
  791. [14:52:59] <s79> how to debug - who is waking up the suspend any idea
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  794. [14:54:36] <torusle> does anyone know the specs of the audio-in interface? E.g. is it a normal line-in with 1kOhm impedance and 1Vpp signal-level for 0db?
  795. [14:55:29] <av500> SRM?
  796. [14:55:38] <av500> BBSRM?
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  804. [15:06:21] <s79> does pm on linux go into suspend only when all the domains are in target state?
  805. [15:06:42] <s79> im seening that - when i put into suspend - it comes out of it immediately
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  807. [15:09:40] <maelcum|uni> what's happening on the kernel front? any new -omap or -omap-pm releases (that actually work too)?
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  809. [15:15:58] <djlewis> av500: I was busy but BBRSM would have been my suggestion too.
  810. [15:16:12] <djlewis> BBSRM.. duh :)
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  812. [15:16:25] <djlewis> gm all
  813. [15:16:32] <prpplague> djlewis: greetings
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  816. [15:18:43] <djlewis> prpplague: you whooping that trainer into submission this morning?
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  818. [15:19:25] <prpplague> djlewis: naw, i have a couple other contracts ahead of the trainer, probably won't do any serious stuff with it until the end of the week
  819. [15:19:46] <prpplague> djlewis: nothing really needs to be done with it driver wise, just a matter of doing some docs
  820. [15:20:09] <prpplague> djlewis: also have to finish with the test platform for production testing
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  823. [15:25:01] <djlewis> prpplague: sounds good :)
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  827. [15:43:19] <s79> in pm - is there any way to find the source of wakeup?
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  830. [15:46:17] <hlfshell> why do you have to delete the partitions and redo them a second time in the ubuntu tutorial? I'm trying to figure out WHAT this does
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  835. [15:55:55] <rcn-ee> hlfshell, where are you getting stuck?
  836. [15:57:01] <hlfshell> the part where i have to format the card again, copy MLO and the kernel image over again
  837. [15:57:08] <hlfshell> i did it, but i dont understand why i did that
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  840. [15:58:34] <hlfshell> <~ is trying to make a ubuntu image and is a bit lost
  841. [15:58:41] <rcn-ee> hlfshell, what guide are you looking at, i don't mention the MLO on elinux ubuntu wiki... (other then make sure you have the latest)
  842. [15:59:15] <hlfshell> I thought i saved the beagleboard guide from the wiki. one sec
  843. [16:00:55] <hlfshell> rcn-ee, im trying to run the setenv command
  844. [16:00:59] <hlfshell> and i get
  845. [16:01:00] <hlfshell> OMAP3 beagleboard.org # setenv bootcmd 'mmcinit; fatload mmc 0:1 0x80300000 uIm0
  846. [16:01:01] <hlfshell> Wrong Image Format for bootm command
  847. [16:01:01] <hlfshell> ERROR: can't get kernel image!
  848. [16:01:23] <hlfshell> (minicom doesnt show anything right of the uIm, whether i copy/paste it or type it)
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  850. [16:02:06] <rcn-ee> wonder's if it's too long for minicom...
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  852. [16:02:58] <hlfshell> what should i use in its stead?
  853. [16:03:02] <rcn-ee> if you can, try "gtkterm", it's what i use..
  854. [16:03:33] <hlfshell> ok installing that now, ill give it a shot
  855. [16:05:37] <hlfshell> thanks rcn-ee gtkterm did take the whole command
  856. [16:06:13] <rcn-ee> thanks for testing hlfshell, i'll update the wiki, with a note about minicom...
  857. [16:06:29] <hlfshell> can i get a link to your guide so i make sure im following that?
  858. [16:06:34] <hlfshell> or is it the main wiki one?
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  860. [16:07:28] <rcn-ee> hlfshell: it's the main one: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu
  861. [16:08:22] <hlfshell> hmmm i got wrong image format for bootm command, error: can't get kernel image after following your setenv
  862. [16:08:33] <hlfshell> now to find what i did wrong
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  864. [16:10:00] <hlfshell> wait it says to do boot partition to 50 megs FAT 32, but in the example it shows it set as FAT16
  865. [16:11:14] <rcn-ee> both will work, i wrote the fat32 about a year ago, that fat16 example was from last week... ;)
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  868. [16:14:59] <hlfshell> silly me i forgot tocopyo ver uImage to the boot partition. ill try that now
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  870. [16:16:27] <rcn-ee> hlfshell: it happens... I'd like to make a gtk gui to automate that section...
  871. [16:17:52] <hlfshell> actually, a complete automation of this process would be cool
  872. [16:21:31] <rcn-ee> rootstock's getting a gui: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-lucid-arm-rootstock-gui so that should make things easier.. Now just a gui for partitioning...
  873. [16:21:39] <hlfshell> gparted
  874. [16:22:23] <rcn-ee> yeah i use gparted, it just takes too much room on the wiki to explain every step...
  875. [16:22:48] <hlfshell> suggestion: screen capture and make a video when the rootstock gui comes out
  876. [16:22:54] <hlfshell> thatd be super helpful
  877. [16:23:01] <dirk2> prpplague: ping
  878. [16:23:50] <prpplague> dirk2: pong
  879. [16:24:16] <dirk2> prpplague: I got a question if Zippy will work with rev B?
  880. [16:24:28] <torusle> dirk2, good question!
  881. [16:24:32] <dirk2> prpplague: I remember some expansion header pin changes from rev B to rev C
  882. [16:25:04] <prpplague> dirk2: works fine with rev B, the only pin that change a bunch was one that isn't used on the zippy
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  884. [16:25:39] <dirk2> prpplague: ok, thanks. Will answer this -> OpenOCD mailing list
  885. [16:25:51] <prpplague> dirk2: http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoardPinMux
  886. [16:26:30] <hlfshell> damnit. i just completely redid the partitioning, copying of MLO and uImage, and reexracted the kernel image onto the other partition and i still get wrong image format for bootm command error: can't get kernel image
  887. [16:26:35] <torusle> folks, I want to write a sound-driver on the dsp-side. For that I have to remove McBSP support from the linux kernel. Will this affect anything besides sound? Or to put it another way: Is the McBSP used for anything besides sound i/o?
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  890. [16:32:57] <rcn-ee> hlfshell: could you pastebin it for me..
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  898. [16:49:00] <av500> torusle: I guess not
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  902. [16:57:33] <torusle> av500, great.. that's good news for me.
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  905. [17:09:40] <hlfshell> so what is this rootstock program? Is it just a program that generates linux images?
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  912. [17:23:35] <rcn-ee> hlfshell, it's a script to generate a root file system...
  913. [17:24:15] <hlfshell> hi again rcn-ee . im redoing everything from scratch to make sure i dont skip a step
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  915. [17:25:47] <rcn-ee> your kernel image problem, could be something as simple as "mmc init" instead of "mmcinit"...
  916. [17:26:40] <hlfshell> hence the me redoing everything- double checking all the commands this time
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  928. [17:33:32] <hlfshell> rcn-ee, tried doing mmcinit again while the new image prepares using rootstock - getting reading u-boot-f.bin **unable to read u-boot-f.bin" from mmc 0:1
  929. [17:33:45] <hlfshell> i think somethings just misplaced or screwed up
  930. [17:34:47] <rcn-ee> hlfshell: pastebin, fatls mmc 0:1 (something might be wrong in partition 1)
  931. [17:34:56] <hlfshell> ok
  932. [17:36:07] <hlfshell> that sucks -can't copy in gtkterm
  933. [17:36:27] <hlfshell> but it returns 20392 mlo 64 uimage 2file(s), 0dir(s)
  934. [17:37:17] <rcn-ee> wells u-boot-f.bin isn't in there... that explains that error.. as long as your u-boot isn't 1.3.3 or 2009.1 it doesn't need updating so you can leave it..
  935. [17:38:09] <hlfshell> how do i hcekc my u-boot version?
  936. [17:39:00] <rcn-ee> first thing it says while booting..
  937. [17:39:13] <rcn-ee> or 2nd after xloader (1.4.2)
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  943. [17:39:38] <hlfshell> hmmm U-Boot 2009.01-dirty
  944. [17:42:16] <rcn-ee> yuck. for 2.6.29 it should work, but i'd really upgrade that some day using: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/beagleboard-demo-image-available 's uboot.bin
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  946. [17:42:59] <hlfshell> the uboot for angstrom is the same as ubuntu?
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  950. [17:44:40] <rcn-ee> yeah... and android/debian/etc..
  951. [17:45:15] <hlfshell> so where do i put this file rcn-ee - on the 50/100 meg fat32 boot partition?
  952. [17:45:18] <rcn-ee> i just link in the wiki to a known working build that i've tested on my boards...
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  954. [17:45:49] <rcn-ee> that's correct.. (u-boot can't read the ext2/3 partition)
  955. [17:45:54] <hlfshell> ah ok
  956. [17:46:13] <hlfshell> brb imma continue on the walk through then, it just finished the rootstrap
  957. [17:46:20] <hlfshell> rootstock*
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  960. [17:47:11] <rcn-ee> hlfshell: for testing setting up the sd card, you could just use the demo image, then build later with rootstock once you get a hang of it.. (since rootstock can take a couple hours)
  961. [17:47:31] <hlfshell> rootstock took under an hour - closer to 45 minutes for me. is that a bad sign?
  962. [17:48:43] <rcn-ee> depends on the system... it's emulating a cortex-a8 core in qemu..
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  969. [17:53:54] <mru> rcn-ee: qemu arm emulation is kind of buggy for armv7
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  971. [17:55:22] <rcn-ee> mru, agree 100%...
  972. [17:55:29] <hlfshell> rcn-ee, i put u-boot.bin from that angstrom site onto the fat32 partition, and fatls mmc0:1 sees it, but the fatload mmc0 0x80200000 u-boot-f.bin doesnt work - ti think that the memory address there is wrong. how do i find the memory address of that file?
  973. [17:55:33] <hlfshell> the u-boot.bin
  974. [17:55:44] <rcn-ee> mru, i sent an email to doko, wondering why the thumb2 setting...
  975. [17:56:49] <rcn-ee> hlfshell: small mistype there: fatload mmc0 0x80200000 u-boot.bin
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  981. [17:58:49] <hlfshell> trying that now rcn-ee
  982. [18:00:07] <hlfshell> somethings wrong with that line still
  983. [18:00:16] <hlfshell> says i got the usage wrong
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  988. [18:06:04] <hlfshell> hmm still not working.
  989. [18:06:44] <hlfshell> ok god it
  990. [18:06:52] <hlfshell> it was fatload mmc 0:1 0x80300000 u-boot.bin
  991. [18:08:45] <av500> mru: btw, most of that ugly non-so-much linux OS from mountainview is compiled as thumb ...
  992. [18:10:16] <fgau> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/983143258f24801790245b5f3e11a1b0.png pyneo on beagle :D
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  998. [18:30:58] <ds> anyone know where the file dspbridge_dsp.tar.gz wandered off to? The omapzoom link appears to be dead
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  1002. [18:34:38] <djlewis_> gm again... :)
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  1008. [18:52:37] <gwert> hi i was wondering if i can connect to the beagleboard shell withou using a at-everex cable but a usb cable...
  1009. [18:55:26] <maelcum|uni> not if you want access to the bootloader afaik. the serial port is most useful for debugging the boot process, before any drivers are loaded.
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  1012. [18:55:52] <maelcum|uni> same for initial setup which is in a way "debugging" the boot process
  1013. [18:57:36] * djlewis_ seconds the "most useful" part
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  1022. [19:08:01] <jkridner|work> if gwert would have stuck around a bit longer, he'd have found that maelcum|uni is incorrect. The u-boot that ships on the Rev C boards includes a USBTTY feature.
  1023. [19:08:34] <jkridner|work> serial port is most useful, but USB can be used to interact with the boot-loader shell.
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  1030. [19:18:42] <maelcum|uni> good to know...
  1031. [19:19:05] * djlewis_ has never tried usbtty u-boot
  1032. [19:19:56] * mru hates usb
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  1034. [19:20:44] <maelcum|uni> i've found that the laziest and cheapest way to get an appropriate serial cable is to unscrew the "electrical part" from a slot blind with serial connectors.
  1035. [19:21:18] * mru has a pile of those...
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  1037. [19:21:52] <maelcum|uni> what's going on with the kernels, is there a new "stable version" in sight?
  1038. [19:22:15] <maelcum|uni> the last one or two vanilla kernel releases had no corresponding -omap or -omap-pm releases
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  1041. [19:30:19] <puppy> arg..
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  1044. [19:42:10] <jimmy__> good evening all, i cant seem to get gpio7, the user button, working. using lourents example, anyone have any suggestions?
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  1048. [19:52:32] <adj> jimmy__: how are you trying to use gpio7 (I have no knowledge of any lourents examples)
  1049. [19:54:56] <jimmy__> adj: this is the link http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/db4accfabf02d986/c623a16637625685?lnk=gst&q=gpio+laurent#c623a16637625685 its very good it shows how to get the outputs working and stuff. assuming the uboot has been made with a edited beagle.h to set gpio
  1050. [19:56:15] <adj> afaik gpio 7 is already "reserved" by the kernel so you can not use it directly
  1051. [19:57:10] <jimmy__> i found numerous examples online of people using gpio7 to get input from the user button
  1052. [19:58:45] <adj> things may have changed since those examples have been proved to be working. Looking at arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-omap3beagle.c (angstrom kernel 2.6.29-r35) confirms that gpio 7 is mapped to a gpio_keys_button
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  1054. [20:05:28] <hlfshell> does a DVI to VGA adapter allow my beagleboard to output to a VGA monitor? I don't have a monitor with DVI on it
  1055. [20:05:51] <maelcum|uni> such an adapter seems to be more expensive than a cheap monitor with dvi input.
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  1057. [20:06:40] <hlfshell> well i see DVI to vga adapters for 5 dollars - im guess they wont work
  1058. [20:06:40] <adj> a simple adapter allows you to connect the monitor but you will have a blank display :)
  1059. [20:06:41] <hlfshell> ?
  1060. [20:06:58] <hlfshell> thats annoying. os i have to drop another 100 on a dvi monitor? damn
  1061. [20:07:16] <jimmy__> adj: im using a rev c3 with a recent angstrom, so i cant access the user button??
  1062. [20:07:45] <maelcum|uni> those adapters are for dvi connectors that already carry analog signals (the bigger, flat pins).
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  1064. [20:07:58] <maelcum|uni> the beagleboard has only digital out
  1065. [20:08:38] <maelcum|uni> hlfshell: i found some used ones for ~50??? somewhere.
  1066. [20:08:48] <maelcum|uni> i still don't have one though...
  1067. [20:09:08] <adj> jimmy__: you can, somehow. I'm not quite sure how to use it, though...
  1068. [20:09:37] <hlfshell> will the s-video work off the bat?
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  1070. [20:10:04] <jimmy__> adj: oh ok, thanks though :)
  1071. [20:10:47] <jimmy__> Anyone know how to get a response from the user button? like a cat /sys/...value thing?
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  1074. [20:22:58] <adj> jimmy__: I guess when you do 'echo 7 > export' it will not give you a new directory called gpio7, while e.g. 'export 130 > export' will create a directory called gpio130 ?
  1075. [20:24:05] <snowman_> can you compile a program and put it in the flash and just have the BB run it over and over? Like put it in the address that the bootloader begins execution or something like that like an arduino?
  1076. [20:24:45] <adj> yes.
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  1078. [20:27:54] <snowman_> how would you do that?
  1079. [20:28:07] <snowman_> compile the source for arm and?
  1080. [20:28:19] <mru> run the result
  1081. [20:28:26] <adj> exactly
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  1083. [20:29:37] <snowman_> How do you transfer data to the BB (is there a serial command?) and how can you choose where to put it (at the address of the bootloader execution)?
  1084. [20:30:36] <adj> omap35xx TRM describes the boot process somewhere around page 3000
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  1086. [20:34:06] <jimmy__> adj: yep exactly that. i use the echo 139 > export to get gpio139 directory, but it doesnt work for gpio7. but that example and others say that the buttin can be accessed on gpio7. in beagle.h its down as MUX_VAL(CP(SYS_BOOT5), (IEN | PTD | EN | M4)) /*GPIO_7*/\ maybe thats wrong?
  1087. [20:34:52] <adj> jimmy__: nope. That (u-boot mux config) is correct
  1088. [20:35:43] <adj> and even if the mux config wasn't correct it would not affect on exporting of a gpio
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  1090. [20:37:43] <hlfshell> if i want to download packages for the beagleubuntu (which is working now if you've been following my struggle this morning :-p ) so that I can just install them onto the ubuntu card (as I don't have ethernet on the BB yet) where would I download those packages from?
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  1092. [20:38:25] <eFfeM> koen, thanks for the cpan patch, just bumped into that one, but didn't track it down as quickly as you did
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  1095. [20:40:20] <jimmy__> adj: yeah i didnt think it would be that, the other gpio let me export to them before i defined them, the switch must be connected to something though! it cant just be disconnected from everything, and the manuel did say it could be used by the user...
  1096. [20:41:03] <adj> jimmy__: the user button is accessible using /dev/input/event0
  1097. [20:41:37] <adj> however you cannot just 'cat' it (well, you can and you'll see the results if you do so)
  1098. [20:42:37] <koen> eFfeM: it needs a companion patch, though
  1099. [20:42:57] <koen> eFfeM: will push after testing it
  1100. [20:43:17] <eFfeM> koen, yeah found things are not yet working properly
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  1104. [20:46:33] <eFfeM> btw tried to bring apache up to the latest version but ended up in automake hell
  1105. [20:46:53] <jimmy__> adj: im gonna give it a try...
  1106. [20:47:35] <adj> jimmy__: using the event interface shouldn't be very difficult, kernel documentation describes it very briefly at Documentation/input/input.txt. Another option is to reconfigure the kernel not to reserve that particular gpio and recompile it, then gpio7 would be directly accessible
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  1109. [20:50:29] <jimmy__> adj: okay i tried 'cat'ing event0... just got some horrible on the screen lol how would i reconigure the kernal? make a new uboot?
  1110. [20:52:48] <adj> not quite. Get kernel sources somehow (using openembedded, for example), tweak them a bit, compile and deploy. Easy :)
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  1116. [20:56:58] <jimmy__> adj: okay il give it a try, its on the elinux, beginers i think. which file does it turn out in the end?
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  1119. [21:00:03] <adj> links to the correct places can be found at elinux, somewhere. I really think it would be much easier to learn to use the event interface
  1120. [21:00:40] <hlfshell> is there a reason that the system clock would be screwed up?
  1121. [21:00:45] <hlfshell> on BB?
  1122. [21:01:46] <jimmy__> adj: im willing to learn event interface, though i dont know what it is, how would i use it?
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  1124. [21:04:31] <adj> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/tmlind/linux-omap-2.6.git;a=blob;f=Documentation/input/input.txt;h=b93c08442e3c773bcfb0a887e7f849694ea4b9b3;hb=HEAD
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  1127. [21:06:09] <newToBB> hi...can somebody help me how to use gstreamer with Beagleboard?
  1128. [21:06:46] <felipec> newToBB: same as in the PC
  1129. [21:07:18] <newToBB> I have not used in PC also... can u specify some link where i can refer to?
  1130. [21:08:33] <felipec> newToBB: google gstreamer?
  1131. [21:08:38] <jimmy__> adj: okay so its basicly the drivers of the various inputs?
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  1133. [21:09:10] <newToBB> felipc: can i run it on windows?
  1134. [21:09:16] <felipec> newToBB: there's also the #gstreamer IRC channel
  1135. [21:09:37] <newToBB> thanks a lot
  1136. [21:10:10] <jimmy__> adj:and event0 is the button,. thers also event1, mice and uinput, what are the last 3?
  1137. [21:11:29] <hlfshell> HMMM this is weird. my beagle board system clock things a file from 2009 is 39 years in the future and won't run it compile for that. how do iset my system clock, to, youknow - a proper time
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  1140. [21:13:26] <adj> jimmy__: event1 is twl4030 power button (not present on beagle)
  1141. [21:14:02] <adj> no idea what uinput is
  1142. [21:15:43] <hlfshell> theres no GCC on the ubuntu arm image for beagle board?
  1143. [21:15:55] <jimmy__> adj: okey, so how do i use the event interface, im guessing i have to access the place that the user button is sending its signal to?
  1144. [21:17:22] <adj> are you familiar with C coding?
  1145. [21:17:50] <_koen_> eFfeM: done, bitbake -c clean perl-native to be sure
  1146. [21:21:36] <jimmy__> adj: yea im quite familiar with c, happy to work with it :)
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  1149. [21:25:13] <adj> then it's time to read Linux Programmer's Manual for read() and select(). The previous link to input.txt at git.kernel.org will give some hints about the event interface
  1150. [21:26:40] <ds> felipec: Did you ever get the new baseimage.dof working?
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  1153. [21:29:01] <mru> hey _koen_, I'm getting my beagle up to date again, what's a good u-boot version?
  1154. [21:29:57] <jimmy__> adj: okay ill look into those functions. can they be called into any c prog i make? and can i access press data for the button with it? like immediately?
  1155. [21:30:41] <koen> mru: u-boot-ti.git at denx.de is usually in a good shape
  1156. [21:31:01] <koen> mru: but since it's rebased weekly I don't have a good SRCREV for you atm
  1157. [21:31:15] <mru> I'll just try something then
  1158. [21:31:21] <adj> jimmy__: you will of course need kernel headers to use those functions
  1159. [21:32:57] <jimmy__> adj: kernel headers, not sure what you mean?
  1160. [21:33:06] <djlewis_> mru: there goes a long uptime. Maybe a record ;)
  1161. [21:33:35] <_koen_> mru: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/sources/git_git.denx.de.u-boot-ti.git_1590f84007e2b50ad346a482fff89195cb04ff4e.tar.gz
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  1163. [21:34:07] <adj> jimmy__: some pieces of kernel sources, just C header files with prototypes for all the necessary functions
  1164. [21:34:10] <mru> djlewis_: not at all
  1165. [21:34:14] <_koen_> mru: with git history: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/sources/git_git.denx.de.u-boot-ti.git.tar.gz
  1166. [21:34:18] <mru> djlewis_: my FATE beagle is up 99 days
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  1168. [21:34:47] <mru> _koen_: already cloned
  1169. [21:35:30] <jimmy__> adj: ah just the usual *.h files to include then
  1170. [21:35:46] <eFfeM> koen thanks, will try
  1171. [21:36:59] <mru> _koen_: btw, I made a couple of changes to omapfbplay today
  1172. [21:37:17] <mru> tomba: speaking of which, you really should enable overlay optimisation in dss2
  1173. [21:38:22] <_koen_> mru: I noticed, I can hopefully take a look at those on friday, too busy with customers till then
  1174. [21:38:51] <mru> nothing spectacular
  1175. [21:39:21] <_koen_> mru: are you planning to add aspect-ratio preservation (aka 'black bars in fullscreen')?
  1176. [21:39:59] <mru> yeah, some day
  1177. [21:40:13] <mru> how much is it worth to you? ;-)
  1178. [21:40:30] <_koen_> we previously agreed it would cost me an IBC ticket :)
  1179. [21:40:38] <_koen_> but we both didn't attend this years ibc
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  1181. [21:43:36] <adj> jimmy__: you know, I actually have never used event interface or even select() and I suck at coding, big time. Still I figured that this cannot be rocket science and just tried it :)
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  1183. [21:44:05] <adj> jimmy__: so, this piece of code propably sucks but it seems to read the state of the user button: http://hervanta.com/~antti/temp/readkey.c.txt
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  1186. [21:44:33] * ds just added pixel-aspect-ratio handling to omapfbsink
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  1188. [21:46:44] <jimmy__> adj: aww very generous, thank you very much. il try it out right now :)
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  1193. [21:51:23] <jimmy__> adj: very cool :) il get to work figuring out how it works :) cheers again
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  1200. [22:10:40] <felipec> ds: you mean the one from tiopenmax 0.4.1?
  1201. [22:11:01] <ds> felipec: yes, I think
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  1203. [22:11:39] <felipec> ds: no, it's borked, I've been complaining to TI and apparently nobody else has got that firmware working
  1204. [22:11:56] <felipec> ds: I'll CC you in the next mail
  1205. [22:12:01] <ds> felipec: thanks
  1206. [22:12:15] <felipec> ds: then only one I've seen working is 0.3.5
  1207. [22:12:54] <ds> felipec: tiopenmax-0.4.1 doesn't seem to be availble anymore. It looks like it was replaced with Andriod_DSP_Binaries...
  1208. [22:13:15] <felipec> ds: great... those don't work either
  1209. [22:13:22] <ds> right
  1210. [22:13:52] <ds> I wonder if the 0.4.1 license is intended to apply retroactively
  1211. [22:14:19] <felipec> ds: you mean also on 0.3.5? If so I don't think so =/
  1212. [22:14:56] <ds> yeah. I only care about baseimage.dof, really
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  1215. [22:17:32] <roaming> hi people was wondering what the power supply amp should be?
  1216. [22:18:35] <mru> 500 mA + whatever peripherals need
  1217. [22:18:57] <roaming> mru what is the max amp
  1218. [22:19:04] <roaming> don't want to burn anything
  1219. [22:19:15] <mru> that's not how electricity works
  1220. [22:19:30] <roaming> i see...
  1221. [22:19:47] <mru> the power supply provides a voltage
  1222. [22:19:55] <mru> the device will take as many amps as it needs
  1223. [22:20:00] <mru> if the PSU can supply it
  1224. [22:20:19] <mru> the amp rating is just what it offers
  1225. [22:20:28] <roaming> thanks
  1226. [22:20:40] <ThomasEgi> only problem is. when you draw more amps than the supply can deliver^
  1227. [22:20:45] <mru> I'd go with 2A or so if you don't have anything really juicy connected
  1228. [22:20:59] <roaming> ok than
  1229. [22:21:07] <mru> should be plenty for a keyboard and mouse
  1230. [22:21:29] <mru> you'll need to use a hub anyway, so you might consider a powered one
  1231. [22:21:48] <roaming> I already got a powered one
  1232. [22:22:29] <roaming> I was going to connect my BeagleBoard tonight but I realized I did not have a rs232 input on my laptop...
  1233. [22:23:32] <roaming> need to get that usb-rs232 to connect that at-everex cable
  1234. [22:23:48] <roaming> rather annoying
  1235. [22:24:15] <djlewis_> roaming: the beagleboard sticker says "not more than 5vDC" and it means it. measure.
  1236. [22:24:15] <roaming> anyway thanks...
  1237. [22:24:44] <roaming> ok
  1238. [22:24:57] <roaming> by the by i need to install some python libraries
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  1240. [22:25:48] <roaming> such as paramiko which needs
  1241. [22:26:13] <roaming> pycrypto
  1242. [22:26:23] <prpplague> roaming: try getting a flyswatter + beagle adapters, it is a multi use device and inexpensive
  1243. [22:26:41] <roaming> thanks
  1244. [22:26:56] <roaming> but my new question is which linux distribution should i use
  1245. [22:27:02] <roaming> for easy development
  1246. [22:27:18] <roaming> i really don't won't to spend days looking for libraries...
  1247. [22:27:18] <prpplague> roaming: i'm biased - http://www.tincantools.com/product.php?productid=16134&cat=0&page=1&featured , http://www.tincantools.com/product.php?productid=16144&cat=0&page=1&featured
  1248. [22:27:39] <prpplague> roaming: the OE based angstrom build environment can help you get started quickly
  1249. [22:27:57] <roaming> OE based?
  1250. [22:28:26] <prpplague> OpenEmbedded
  1251. [22:28:45] <prpplague> have you looked at the wiki pages yet?
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  1253. [22:29:19] <roaming> yeah but i realised to try most of the stuff i need the parts first
  1254. [22:29:29] <prpplague> roaming: http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoard#Development_environments
  1255. [22:29:30] * nullpuppy is using angstrom, flyswatter and beagleboard.
  1256. [22:29:31] <nullpuppy> works well.
  1257. [22:29:40] <prpplague> nullpuppy: hehe thanks
  1258. [22:29:55] <nullpuppy> prpplague:no prob ;)
  1259. [22:30:21] * prpplague is happy when someone recommends his products
  1260. [22:31:00] <nullpuppy> prpplague: are you tincantools?
  1261. [22:31:05] <roaming> just a quick question can i connect my at-everex cable directly to a rs232 to usb cable without any problems? or do i need to get a flyswatter?
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  1264. [22:31:38] <prpplague> nullpuppy: no i work with tincantools, i did the design for the zippy, trainer, flyswatter and hammer boards
  1265. [22:31:49] <nullpuppy> prpplague: ah. very cool.
  1266. [22:32:00] <nullpuppy> prpplague: offer any discounts? :)
  1267. [22:32:34] <prpplague> nullpuppy: hehe, nope, just good prices
  1268. [22:32:43] * nullpuppy nods.
  1269. [22:32:46] <nullpuppy> was worth a shot ;)
  1270. [22:33:05] <jkridner|work> prpplague: going to talk about any of them on the lightning talks?
  1271. [22:33:07] <roaming> :)
  1272. [22:33:15] <roaming> just a quick question can i connect my at-everex cable directly to a rs232 to usb cable without any problems? or do i need to get a flyswatter?
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  1274. [22:34:01] <prpplague> jkridner|work: sorry no, i'm totally swampped with a OMAP3 design that is a week behind schedule
  1275. [22:34:08] <nullpuppy> roaming: i'm assuming the at-everex connects via rs232? and you want to know if you can connect it to a rs232 to usb adapter?
  1276. [22:34:18] <roaming> yeah
  1277. [22:34:19] <nullpuppy> if so, i'd assume that should be fine.
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  1280. [22:34:48] <prpplague> jkridner|work: you having trouble getting people for the talks?
  1281. [22:34:51] <snowman_> why would someone use small-faraded capacitors throughout their ciruit?
  1282. [22:34:51] <nullpuppy> flyswatter is nice in that it gives you serial and jtag support through one device (which is nice when you're on a system without serial ports).
  1283. [22:35:00] <mru> roaming: yes, the rs232 port on the beagle works with standard PC ports
  1284. [22:35:04] <mru> both real and usb ones
  1285. [22:35:13] <roaming> ok just want to be sure.... i am very new-bie in hardware :(
  1286. [22:35:22] <jkridner|work> prpplague: it is only 30 minutes out of your life. 10 minutes to prepare 2 slides and 5 minutes to present and 100% "overhead". :)
  1287. [22:35:25] <roaming> rather code my way thru hell
  1288. [22:35:51] <roaming> thanks people
  1289. [22:35:56] <Ceriand|work> snowman_: decoupling probably
  1290. [22:36:01] <roaming> see you all later
  1291. [22:36:08] <nullpuppy> roaming: no worries, gotta start somewhere.
  1292. [22:36:11] <snowman_> Ceriand|work: whats that?
  1293. [22:36:11] <nullpuppy> good luck.
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  1295. [22:37:08] <prpplague> jkridner|work: i'll see what my schedule looks like, no guarantees
  1296. [22:37:25] <Ceriand|work> snowman_: preventing the high current, short duration current pulses that digital circuits have from affecting power/ground rails
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  1299. [22:38:31] <snowman_> Ceriand|work: what is high current and how would anthing affect ground? I though ground was just a constant force pulling on the electrons
  1300. [22:38:57] <snowman_> "the high current"*
  1301. [22:39:19] <Ceriand|work> the ground plane or wires are just like any other wires
  1302. [22:39:19] <mru> ground isn't necessarily stable
  1303. [22:39:25] * cbrake is now known as cbrake_away
  1304. [22:39:30] <Ceriand|work> they'll have a voltage drop across them depending on the current
  1305. [22:39:39] <Ceriand|work> since they have a non-zero resistance
  1306. [22:39:49] <bjdooks> snowman_: the sort of parts like the OMAP use power when internal bits switch from one state to another
  1307. [22:40:42] <prpplague_afk> snowman_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decoupling_capacitor
  1308. [22:40:42] <bjdooks> you need decoupling capacitors to supply the rush of current needed when this happens as the power supply can't act fast enough, or power can't flow quickly enough across the PCB
  1309. [22:42:40] <bjdooks> http://www.simtec.co.uk/appnotes/AN0013/scope-badpwr-full.png is a simple circuit where we forgot the decoupling
  1310. [22:42:58] <bjdooks> te red lines the actual output, the black one the wanted
  1311. [22:43:18] <bjdooks> http://www.simtec.co.uk/appnotes/AN0013/scope-goodpwr-full.jpg is a real scope with it fixed
  1312. [22:43:18] <snowman_> so how would you get that?
  1313. [22:43:47] <bjdooks> the failure was due to not putting a small capacitor near the chip doing the work
  1314. [22:44:17] <snowman_> but why would the capacitor correct that?
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  1316. [22:44:26] <bjdooks> it acts like a little power resevoir
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  1318. [22:44:57] <bjdooks> it charges up when the chip isn't doing the work, and when the chip needs the power it can get the power from close to it, which is easier power to get
  1319. [22:45:04] <Ceriand|work> if you draw too much current, your supply rail will droop down
  1320. [22:45:17] <snowman_> oh
  1321. [22:45:18] <Ceriand|work> the cap acts like a little, low-resistance battery close to the chip
  1322. [22:45:48] <snowman_> oh ok
  1323. [22:46:01] <bjdooks> tis like putting a coolbox with some coke in it near to your desk for emergencies, and then going and topping it up from the fridge when you are free
  1324. [22:46:04] <snowman_> so that droop was caused by lack of available power?
  1325. [22:46:08] <bjdooks> yes
  1326. [22:46:16] <bjdooks> it takes time for power to get from A->B
  1327. [22:46:31] <snowman_> oh looks like a capcitor is discharging
  1328. [22:46:56] <bjdooks> that was 'cos there was one elsewhere on the board
  1329. [22:47:23] <snowman_> so how can a capacitor act in a square wave? Since the discharge would gradually lower the voltage?
  1330. [22:47:37] <bjdooks> the square is the output from a chip, not the capacitor
  1331. [22:47:58] <nullpuppy> ok. i've got what is likely a rather stupid question. Whats the point of generating map files when building for arm? is it needed at runtime? or just during linking? or...
  1332. [22:48:29] <snowman_> but the IC can't magically make the capacitor stop discharging
  1333. [22:48:55] <snowman_> is it IC > capacitor > GND or capacitor > IC > GND?
  1334. [22:49:12] <snowman_> where the IC can switch off the output?
  1335. [22:49:14] <bjdooks> the capacitor was across VCC and GND close to the IC
  1336. [22:50:02] <bjdooks> which fixed the droop as the IC could draw power from the cap when it needed a little extra
  1337. [22:50:21] <snowman_> but that brings me back to how the capacitor drops off sharply
  1338. [22:50:51] <snowman_> how can it just drag power from when it needs it?
  1339. [22:51:02] <snowman_> from it*
  1340. [22:51:10] * snowman_ is now known as Sn0wm4n
  1341. [22:51:12] <bjdooks> the cap gets charged from the power rails when the chip isn't drawing as much power
  1342. [22:51:47] <Sn0wm4n> how??
  1343. [22:51:58] <Sn0wm4n> how can it start and stop drawing power?
  1344. [22:52:36] <Sn0wm4n> do you have a schematic?
  1345. [22:52:37] <mru> Sn0wm4n: go get a copy of "The Art of Electronics" and read it
  1346. [22:53:40] <Sn0wm4n> I'm just having a hard time understanding how the circuit is set up
  1347. [22:55:21] * bjdooks has to go, got to be up tommorow morning
  1348. [22:57:07] <Sn0wm4n> thank god I get tommorow off of school
  1349. [22:57:56] <mru> Sn0wm4n: great, then you can go to the library or bookstore and find the book I mentioned
  1350. [22:58:03] <mru> really, you should, it's a great book
  1351. [22:59:01] <Sn0wm4n> I'm gonna be bad, I'm getting it off torrents right now
  1352. [22:59:17] <mru> worth paying for imo
  1353. [22:59:18] <Sn0wm4n> but getting it nevertheless
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  1355. [22:59:30] * mru didn't pay for it
  1356. [22:59:38] <Sn0wm4n> lol
  1357. [22:59:39] <mru> I got it from my dad many years ago
  1358. [22:59:52] <Sn0wm4n> is it on electronics theory?
  1359. [23:00:04] <Sn0wm4n> or applied electronics...?
  1360. [23:00:06] <mru> I don't think he paid for it either; it has a company sticker inside ;-)
  1361. [23:00:06] <Sn0wm4n> or what?
  1362. [23:00:11] <Sn0wm4n> lol
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  1364. [23:01:25] <Sn0wm4n> ITS 1041 PAGES?!?! did you read all of it???
  1365. [23:01:44] <Crofton|work> Get the "Boy Electrician" it is shorter
  1366. [23:01:49] <mru> I doubt I ever read all the pages
  1367. [23:02:01] <Crofton|work> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32615155@N00/sets/72157622778244310/
  1368. [23:02:02] <mru> read the first chapter or two
  1369. [23:02:11] <mru> your questions from earlier will be answered
  1370. [23:02:17] <Sn0wm4n> in tech books, are you only supposed to read the parts you need?
  1371. [23:02:18] <Sn0wm4n> ok
  1372. [23:02:46] <Sn0wm4n> becuase like a c++ book thats 800ish pages long is rediculous
  1373. [23:02:46] <mru> with a book like this, you read the first few chapters, then you can start skipping parts you're not interested in
  1374. [23:02:56] <Sn0wm4n> gotcha
  1375. [23:03:06] <Sn0wm4n> wish I could read it on my iphone
  1376. [23:03:19] <Sn0wm4n> where it is actually readable*
  1377. [23:03:25] <mru> like you can skip the parts about radio-frequency designs if you're more interested in logic gates
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  1379. [23:04:17] <Sn0wm4n> lol thats the bad part about me is I'm interested in all of it, so I'll probably tear my hair out trying to comprehend all of it
  1380. [23:05:28] <Sn0wm4n> how do you know this is reliable?
  1381. [23:05:35] <mru> that book?
  1382. [23:05:48] <Sn0wm4n> yah thats what I always wonder
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  1384. [23:06:03] <mru> I built many of the circuits and they worked as stated
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  1387. [23:06:31] <Sn0wm4n> so pretty much the theory in this book works in practice?
  1388. [23:06:49] <mru> oh yes
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  1390. [23:06:56] <mru> morning Crofton
  1391. [23:07:18] <Sn0wm4n> It just that reading a book about engines, you can go look at a piston, crackshaft, and camshaft but you can't exactly look at electrons and such
  1392. [23:07:22] <Crofton> heh
  1393. [23:07:28] <Crofton> starting irc on laptop
  1394. [23:07:49] <mru> Sn0wm4n: no, but you can buy the parts and build the circuits
  1395. [23:07:55] <mru> you can't do that with a petrol engine
  1396. [23:08:25] <Sn0wm4n> true. petrol? you from europe?
  1397. [23:08:33] <mru> yeah
  1398. [23:09:00] <Sn0wm4n> hehe
  1399. [23:09:03] <Sn0wm4n> where?
  1400. [23:09:09] <mru> I live in england
  1401. [23:09:18] <Sn0wm4n> I've been there
  1402. [23:09:23] <Sn0wm4n> well london
  1403. [23:09:34] <mru> london is nice
  1404. [23:09:36] <Sn0wm4n> lol but I live in tennessee :-)
  1405. [23:09:38] <Sn0wm4n> yah it is
  1406. [23:09:52] <Sn0wm4n> its like a more interesting version of new york
  1407. [23:10:16] <Sn0wm4n> I still remember going up in the eye of london
  1408. [23:10:25] <Sn0wm4n> That was fun
  1409. [23:10:29] <mru> tourist ;-)
  1410. [23:10:36] * mru hasn't been on it
  1411. [23:10:43] <Crofton|work> http://danielwebb.us/projects/pd_tech_books/
  1412. [23:10:47] <Sn0wm4n> what??? how?? lol you friggin live there
  1413. [23:11:18] <mru> I've been to the top of st paul's cathedral
  1414. [23:11:24] <Sn0wm4n> yah i went there paris and a bunch of places in italy
  1415. [23:11:35] <Sn0wm4n> that was when I was about 12 or so
  1416. [23:11:42] <Sn0wm4n> so about 3 years ago
  1417. [23:11:46] <Sn0wm4n> or 4
  1418. [23:11:58] <Sn0wm4n> had my first alcohol in italy
  1419. [23:12:13] <mru> you're too young to be drinking
  1420. [23:12:14] <Sn0wm4n> and it was gewd...
  1421. [23:12:15] <Sn0wm4n> I am
  1422. [23:12:32] <mru> now where did I put that whisky...
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  1424. [23:12:49] <Sn0wm4n> I had a sip of some liquor(i liked), red wine (GROSS), and white wine (GROSS)
  1425. [23:12:53] <Sn0wm4n> lol mru
  1426. [23:13:03] <mru> see, you're too young
  1427. [23:13:18] <Sn0wm4n> Crofton|work: that book is 100 years old????
  1428. [23:13:28] <Sn0wm4n> but I really did like that liquor
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  1431. [23:13:46] <Sn0wm4n> and it was weird seeing a rock beach
  1432. [23:13:50] <Crofton|work> yeah
  1433. [23:13:54] <Sn0wm4n> (and painful)
  1434. [23:14:07] <Sn0wm4n> Crofton|work: haven't things changed since then??
  1435. [23:14:11] <Crofton|work> I read my Dad's copy when I was a kid
  1436. [23:14:13] <Crofton|work> not really
  1437. [23:14:19] <Crofton|work> devices have changed
  1438. [23:14:23] <Crofton|work> great book still
  1439. [23:14:29] <Sn0wm4n> :-/ oke doke
  1440. [23:14:31] <mru> maxwell's equations still hold ;-)
  1441. [23:14:53] <Sn0wm4n> I also remember a fat guy in a speedo standing in front of me for like 1/2 an hour
  1442. [23:15:11] <mru> if maxwell's equations aren't elegant, I don't know what is...
  1443. [23:15:18] <Sn0wm4n> lol
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  1445. [23:20:21] <mru> koen: http://git.mansr.com/?p=omapfbplay;a=commit;h=9830926d
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