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IRC Log for 2009-11-17

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[01:05:31] <chrisa> Are there any pico projector alternatives besides this $350 dev kit I keep hearing about?
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[01:06:53] <ds2> there are others but they aren't much cheaper
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[01:13:15] <bkero> $350 is a nice price if it includes a rev c beagle
[01:14:49] <nullpuppy> chrisa: i got one at school for a project that was around $200 or $250 i think
[01:14:52] * nullpuppy looks for link.
[01:16:35] <nullpuppy> http://www.aaxatech.com/products/kp190_p1_pico_projector.htm
[01:16:51] <nullpuppy> not sure how it measures up to the $350 one, but its not bad.
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[01:24:12] <chrisa> nullpuppy: I'm just looking to hook up a camera (or related sensor), servo and pico, so the project doesn't need to be amazing
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[01:26:16] <nullpuppy> chrisa: *nods*
[01:26:22] <nullpuppy> the one in the link above is $219
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[01:27:20] <chrisa> What sort of interface were you able to use with it? I only see the AV in
[01:27:28] <ds2> it doesn't appear to be a DLP element
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[01:30:20] <nullpuppy> yeah, its just AV. what are you looking for?
[01:31:52] <chrisa> Not sure actually, need to do more research into the parts
[01:32:05] <nullpuppy> k
[01:32:19] <chrisa> I'm still getting up to speed on beagle. I looked at arduino but wasn't happy with the abstraction
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[01:39:02] <nullpuppy> *nods*
[01:39:46] <chrisa> Having trouble finding a breadboard expansion for beagle though through google
[01:40:55] <ds2> why?
[01:41:11] <ds2> the 0.1" expansion lets you use ratshack breadboards directly
[01:41:18] <ds2> I've done so before
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[01:45:41] <chrisa> Then I'm not looking for the right things
[01:45:49] <chrisa> Is there a name for that expansion, or is it just 0.1?
[01:46:40] <ds2> normal 0.1 pitched headers
[01:49:42] <ds2> chrisa: here are some of the pictiures of the ratshack board being used - http://www.hy-research.com/beagle/pictures.html
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[01:52:01] <chrisa> Does radio shack carry parallax stuff?
[01:52:15] <ds2> donno
[01:52:35] <ds2> don't use it so I don't look see it
[01:54:15] <nullpuppy> i *think* i've seen some basic stamp stuff at rat shack
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[01:54:26] <mru> bleh
[01:54:39] <nullpuppy> yep.
[01:54:49] <ds2> the AVRs, PICs, are so trivial to use, I don't see any point in looking at yet another layer
[01:55:15] <ds2> for simplicty, grab a ez430 target board and just use that...they even speak 1.8V
[01:55:30] <djlewis> I have never used any BS but have used Basic-X,
[01:55:53] <mru> I'll just continue taming the omap
[01:56:36] <nullpuppy> never bothered with basic stamps either. used avrs via arduino, and used pics
[01:56:41] <ds2> the OMAP has its place
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[01:56:59] <ds2> what I do wonder about the OMAPs is the nomenclature
[01:57:13] <ds2> the new L138 looks a heck of a lot like the OMAP1710 except it isn't one
[01:57:16] <mru> that's marketing's fault
[01:57:32] <mru> the OMAP-L1x are more like davinci than other omap
[01:57:43] <mru> they use linux-davinci kernels
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[01:57:58] <ds2> yes but the L138 has a DSP
[01:58:04] <mru> the 1710 had a much weaker dsp
[01:58:06] <ds2> most davinci's have dedicated HW
[01:58:16] <mru> the L1x have very good DSPs
[01:58:23] <ds2> the 1710 has the ARM9 core just like the L138
[01:58:28] <mru> some davinci versions have a dsp
[01:58:37] <ds2> ah I see
[01:58:40] <mru> if not all
[01:58:48] <mru> they also have hw decoder bits
[01:58:50] <ds2> the DM355 has dedicated stuff
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[01:59:13] <mru> look at DM64xx or something
[01:59:27] <mru> plenty of dsp there
[02:00:13] <ds2> UGH
[02:00:21] <mru> the omaps are "application processors"
[02:00:38] <mru> the goal is to be reasonably good at a variety of tasks while using little power
[02:01:05] <mru> so the arm and dsp are more or less equal in terms of compute power
[02:01:24] <mru> davinci is heavily geared for multimedia and not much else
[02:01:29] <ds2> that almost contradicts your "good DSP" comment
[02:01:46] <mru> what does?
[02:01:52] <ds2> <mru> so the arm and dsp are more or less equal in terms of compute power
[02:02:08] <ds2> that would seem to suggest you are saying the DSP on the L1x is like an ARM9
[02:02:20] <mru> the L1x isn't an omap
[02:02:27] <mru> only for marketing reaons
[02:02:29] <mru> reasons
[02:02:36] <mru> it's a davinci
[02:02:45] <ds2> so in your definition, a true OMAP must come from the L-O tree?
[02:02:55] <mru> compare block diagrams
[02:03:31] <mru> omap1: arm9, don't remember what dsp
[02:03:40] <mru> omap2: arm11, c55 dsp
[02:03:44] <ds2> same DSP as in the OMAP2420
[02:03:54] <mru> omap3: a8, c64+
[02:03:56] <ds2> the OMAP2's come with at least 2 different DSPs
[02:04:09] <mru> omap4: a9, c674
[02:04:34] <mru> anyway, there's a progression on both the arm and dsp side
[02:04:43] <mru> davinci is arm9 all the way
[02:05:10] <ds2> ignoring the DSP, the L1x is still more attractive... at least it standardizes on the same @!#$!@#$!#@$!#@$#@# MUSB core
[02:05:34] <mru> ignoring the dsp, there's not much attractive about L1x
[02:05:38] <mru> only arm9
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[02:06:21] <ds2> it makes a nice slave processor
[02:07:31] <mru> if all you want is an arm9 I'm sure there are cheaper options
[02:09:03] <ds2> not necessarily with the same peripheral set
[02:09:50] <ds2> DSP is nice but the lack of openness makes it half irrelevant
[02:11:06] <mru> looks open enough to me
[02:11:28] <ds2> Hmmm do we have different ideas of open here
[02:11:30] <ds2> ?
[02:13:09] <ds2> to be able to use it for anything personal and educational purposes requires shelling out heavy $$ to use a binary only tool
[02:13:22] <ds2> and for the other case, it is still a binary only tool
[02:14:19] <mru> you could write machine code with a hex editor ;-)
[02:14:35] <ds2> is the instruction set encoding documented?
[02:14:40] <mru> sure
[02:16:00] <mru> sprufe8
[02:16:23] <ds2> fair enough, so in theory one can write free tools
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[02:48:37] <robtmr> I'm having some issues getting 16-bit color output with DSS2
[02:49:15] <robtmr> I have omapfb.video_mode=1024x768MR-16@60 in my bootargs, but it has no effect whatsoever
[02:50:10] <robtmr> Is there a way to change this from userspace? i.e. something in /sys?
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[02:55:54] <robtmr> Does anyone know how to change this?
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[04:38:00] <ajay> hi good morning to all
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[04:38:41] <ajay> is current qemu has support for qemu-user-static
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[04:55:27] <ds2> Hmmm
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[05:05:19] <ds2> tomorrow is going to be interesting
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[05:34:11] <Animulesmellslik> minions
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[05:59:07] <eralash> Good day people. I have just succesfully uploaded x-loader.bin on my board (rev.C) using pserial. And I am trying to upload u-boot.bin using ukermit. The command "ukermit -p /dev/ttyS0 -f /home/u-boot.bin" gives me: Failed after 4 retries in sequence 0 - success send = 0 bytes Data transmit failed. I would be grateful to know if anyone has experienced the same issue, or has any ideas about the cause.
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[07:08:26] <_koen_> good morning all
[07:08:41] <tasslehoff> good morning
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[07:29:44] <tasslehoff> if a module is listed in /etc/modules, should it be loaded on boot?
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[07:51:54] <_av500_> gm
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[08:06:07] <koen> jkridner: http://gizmodo.com/5405804/make-your-own-real-time-kinematic-gps-receiver-thats-accurate-to-one-centimeter
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[08:13:48] <recalcati> anybody id trying this live tech experience? http://e2e.ti.com/etechdays/?DCMP=eTechdays&HQS=Other+OT+etechdays . I don't see anybody.
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[08:27:58] <kblin> recalcati: that's not on yet, is it?
[08:34:34] <recalcati> kblin: nobody yet.
[08:34:44] <recalcati> I'm inside all conversations
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[08:35:19] <kblin> yeah, but I had the impression it starts at 10 am CST
[08:36:37] <kblin> it's barely the 17th over there
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[08:41:32] <eralash> Good day people. I have just succesfully uploaded x-loader.bin on my board (rev.C) using pserial. And I am trying to upload u-boot.bin using ukermit. The command "ukermit -p /dev/ttyS0 -f /home/u-boot.bin" gives me: Failed after 4 retries in sequence 0 - success send = 0 bytes Data transmit failed. I would be grateful to know if anyone has experienced the same issue, or has any ideas about the cause.
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[09:20:13] <tasslehoff> I'm trying load g_file_storage on boot but get errors from modprobe. Any kind souls feel like taking a look at http://pastebin.com/d499036c3?
[09:22:31] <_av500_> [ 241.435913] g_file_storage gadget: no file given for LUN0
[09:24:55] <tasslehoff> _av500_: yes. I thought that it would use the module_conf* when loading the module, but it seems it doesn't
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[09:25:38] <tasslehoff> maybe : module_autoload_g_file_storage = "g_file_storage file=/dev/mmcblk0p4 removable=1" instead?
[09:26:29] <_av500_> tasslehoff: no idea, i dont know the syntax of this module loading
[09:26:34] <_av500_> just tr
[09:26:37] <_av500_> y
[09:26:38] <tasslehoff> yep
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[09:29:05] <martin___> Hi, I bought a beagle board in order to use the TI Pico DLP Kit. I am wondering if there is a way to get a feedback from the projector after a certain frame was projected successfully. I would need that to trigger specific applications after a frame was fully displayed. Is there a possibility to do so? Thanks in advance!
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[09:34:24] <_av500_> martin___: why would it not display a frame?
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[09:54:52] <dexem1> Hi, is it acceptable to talk about DevKit8000 board here? or is it just for beagle?
[09:56:51] <DJW|Home> dexem1: if it's OMAP3 ask away, the worst you will get is no answer ;-).
[09:58:34] <dexem1> :) yup, it's an OMAP3 board... in fact, it seems that it's pretty similar to beagle. My problem is that it booted once, but now I don't get anything from the UART. Maybe it's a hw problem (I've made some checks and the hardware seems to work ok), or maybe I just need to reflash the boot sequence
[09:59:25] <dexem1> my problem is that I'm too newbie with embedded development to know how to do it, or a cheap way to do it :)
[10:01:02] <DJW|Home> dexem1: yep, I seem to recall the DevKit is a BB clone for the most part, anyway, do you see 'anything' on the UART, 40t, 40n anything like that?
[10:03:14] <dexem1> nope, nothing at all
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[10:05:09] <dexem1> DJW|Home: I was not present when the board arrived... I know that it booted once with the Linux installed on NAND, and then they tried to boot a Windows CE image with the SD Card. It was not the right image (not for the display I have)...
[10:05:39] <dexem1> since then, silence...
[10:05:48] <DJW|Home> dexem1: does it have an equivelent of the user button from the Begle to set the boot mode?
[10:07:15] <dexem1> DJW|Home: yes, it has four switched. ON/OFF, reset, user defined and boot, to select between NAND and SD boot
[10:07:17] <mru> morning
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[10:07:55] <DJW|Home> dexem1: so try it on SD boot and look to the UART, without an SD is fine.
[10:08:32] <_av500_> mru: gm from paris
[10:08:35] <DJW|Home> dexem1: back later, meeting, but others should also be able to help you get going assuming the H/W is ok.
[10:08:54] <mru> _av500_: called in by the boss?
[10:10:49] <dexem1> DJW|Home: ok, thanks, I'll try
[10:13:41] <dexem1> nothing on UART with SD boot
[10:14:23] <tasslehoff> is g_cdc and g_file_storage conflicting modules?
[10:14:50] <_av500_> i think so
[10:14:59] <_av500_> theyd both compete for the usb port
[10:15:21] <_av500_> i think usb gadget has plans to allow multiple clients per port
[10:15:39] <tasslehoff> ok. it unloads my g_file_storage to load g_cdc which it then says it can't find :)
[10:20:20] <tasslehoff> hm. how can I convince angstrom not to try loading g_cdc. blacklist it? can't find it referenced anywhere
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[11:04:17] <hrw> morning
[11:05:22] <dexem1> Hi DJWillis... no output on the UART with SD boot
[11:07:16] <mru> morning hrw
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[11:23:32] <tasslehoff> what is it that makes angstrom@beagle want to load g_cdc?
[11:25:10] <XorA> swine flu
[11:25:50] <mru> lol
[11:28:18] <tasslehoff> then I would like to blacklist swine flu :)
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[11:29:24] <adj> opkg install Pandemrix
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[11:29:44] <_av500_> rm -rf /*
[11:30:13] <_av500_> + void androidIsCrashing();
[11:30:36] <mru> #define androidIsCrashing() 1
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[12:01:11] <slapin> hi, all!
[12:02:15] <jkridner|work> good morning all
[12:02:48] <mru> morning jkridner|work
[12:03:34] <slapin> I use mainline u-boot with my custom board. Kernel prints DPLL3 setting of 165MHz unlike Beagle, where I get 332, and hangs on SDRAM setup. Is it known where should I fix this in u-boot?
[12:04:02] <slapin> I need to mention that I use OMAP3525.
[12:06:09] <slapin> I just can't find how come it multiplies by two on beagle. I worked this around by different SDRAM timings, but I wonder how to fix this properly.
[12:07:37] <jkridner|work> hi mru
[12:10:12] <jkridner|work> ds: do you have any slides for today?
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[12:16:20] <koen> tasslehoff: look in /etc/default/
[12:19:22] <tasslehoff> koen: aha.
[12:20:27] <koen> holy mackerels
[12:20:29] <koen> koen@dominion:/OE/smartq/mer-smartq-kernel/patches$ du * -hs
[12:20:30] <koen> 18M 0001-Apply-samsung-kernel-patch.patch
[12:20:30] <koen> 2.7M 0002-Apply-smartq-patch.patch
[12:20:30] <koen> 4.0K 0003-Apply-cpufreq-patch-from-gqwang.patch
[12:20:32] <koen> 4.0K 0004-Better-compatibility-with-some-memory-chips.patch
[12:20:37] <mru> whoa
[12:20:52] <mru> someone needs to learn some manners
[12:20:53] <koen> (yes, there's a smartq 5 on my desk now)
[12:21:15] <mru> what does a smartq do?
[12:21:28] <koen> armv6 mid for 100 euros
[12:21:38] <koen> and I lacked a decent armv6 machine to test things on
[12:21:42] <Stskeeps> koen: yeah, kernel isn't pretty but it works :P
[12:21:47] <koen> the n810 is too weird
[12:22:01] <Stskeeps> koen: someone is doing a 2.6.31 based kernel that's cleaner
[12:22:28] <koen> since the smartq pretends to be an smdk6410 that shouldn't be too hard, right?
[12:22:54] <Stskeeps> you'd think :P
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[12:23:33] <Stskeeps> http://gitorious.org/mcuelenaere-smartq-kernel/mcuelenaere-smartq-kernel
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[12:34:28] <tasslehoff> koen: why is the default USB_MODE="composite" if the g_cdc module is not available?
[12:34:55] <koen> it's available in the default angstrom kernel
[12:38:05] <tasslehoff> koen: ah. so the world is bigger than my little sandbox after all :)
[12:40:51] <mru> tasslehoff: no, that's just your imagination
[12:40:54] <mru> or mine
[12:40:56] <mru> not sure
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[12:43:07] * koen wonders what's wrong with arm11 SoC, there aren't that many used
[12:43:14] <koen> maybe arm9 is just too darm cheap
[12:44:44] <mru> compilers suck so the difference isn't that great
[12:44:52] <mru> arm11 is really much faster than arm9
[12:45:01] <mru> unaligned memory, branch prediction, ...
[12:45:28] <mru> but gcc is very good at defeating all those nice features
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[12:49:54] <tasslehoff> mru: reminded me of this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puddle_Thinking :)
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[12:52:20] <jkridner|work> hmm, neat Qt video (http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/12/02/widgets-enter-the-third-dimension-wolfenqt/). Why no lightning talk on Qt? Guess I should have asked the right people.
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[13:01:28] <_koen_> jkridner|work: I ran wolfenqt on hawkboard last week :)
[13:02:12] <jkridner|work> that must have been painful without OpenGLES acceleration.
[13:02:21] <jkridner|work> how did it look?
[13:03:00] <_koen_> weird, I suspect I forgot to select the raster renderer
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[13:05:19] <Crofton> hmm
[13:05:31] <Crofton> lightening talks are on webex with audio?
[13:08:18] <mru> will there be thunder too?
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[13:28:51] <jkridner|work> neat: http://gizmodo.com/5405804/make-your-own-real-time-kinematic-gps-receiver-thats-accurate-to-one-centimeter
[13:29:03] <jkridner|work> Crofton: Audio will be over the phone....
[13:29:22] <jkridner|work> Crofton: ...or, on a Flash stream via On24.
[13:29:23] <_koen_> jkridner: I pasted that link this morning for your non-work client :)
[13:29:24] <jkridner|work> No WebEx.
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[13:30:42] <_av500_> :)
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[13:38:54] <bear19> hello
[13:39:04] <bear19> is anyone here?
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[13:41:00] <jkridner|work> *sigh*
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[13:41:51] <jkridner|work> anyone seen suleyman or fatih'?
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[13:48:49] <tasslehoff> _koen_: I have a little issue with usb-gadget-mode. When I specify MODULE_OPTIONS="file=/dev/mmcblk0p4 removable=1", usb-gadget fails because it does: modprobe g_file_storage "file=/dev/mmcblk0p4 removable=1". Should the quotes be removed from the go()-function in recipes/usb-gadget-mode/files/usb-gadget?
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[13:52:17] <tasslehoff> actually from the setup_usb() function since it never uses $2
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[13:59:24] <_koen_> tasslehoff: you could try
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[14:03:57] <koen> ssvb: any cool new pixman stuff q'd?
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[14:13:23] <tasslehoff> _koen_: I'm trying and have it working. I just said it in case it is a bug that someone must fix upstream as well
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[14:21:21] <ssvb> koen: yes, I'm going to post some patches later today
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[14:23:51] <david> Hi
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[14:24:47] <Guest66930> I have this error while I try to launch my camera
[14:25:09] <Guest66930> gst-launch-0.10: BufTab.c:440: BufTab_getNumBufs: Assertion `hBufTab' failed.
[14:25:49] <Guest66930> someone knows what to do?
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[14:34:08] <sakoman> jkridner|work: the GPS project is very cool! One of my clients spends > $10K for a centimeter accurate GPS
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[14:34:47] <sakoman> (they need it to work at very high speeds though, so I don't think the beagle approach would work)
[14:35:06] <Crofton|work> where is the list of talks again?
[14:35:35] <mru> http://wiki.omap.com/index.php/ETechDays_Community_Lightning_Talks
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[14:42:23] <Crofton|work> sakoman, what is this gps idea
[14:45:02] <sakoman> Crofton|work: it is the link jkridner posted earlier
[14:45:15] <sakoman> also on the bb.org homepage
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[15:19:49] <tema> ping jkridner
[15:19:53] <jkridner|work> yeah, I think that GPS is pretty neat.
[15:19:55] <jkridner|work> hi tema
[15:19:59] <tema> hi james!
[15:20:05] <jkridner|work> Jason. :)
[15:20:22] <tema> sorry :). james, where to upload today's talks video?
[15:20:33] <tema> doh.
[15:20:35] <tema> jason :)
[15:20:36] <jkridner|work> hehe
[15:21:06] <jkridner|work> can you upload to YouTube?
[15:21:10] <tema> really sorry, misbehavior of my laptop's keyboard ;)
[15:21:17] <jkridner|work> I'm not exactly sure how the audio will sound on the phone...
[15:21:23] <tema> yeah.
[15:21:32] <jkridner|work> if you have a .mp3, would be good if you can directly e-mail it to me.
[15:21:36] <tema> I noticed sound is too low on my video
[15:21:39] <tema> ok.
[15:22:11] <jkridner|work> I will add the slides back into the video and upload to YouTube.
[15:22:45] <jkridner|work> I am also looking at creating <video> sharing, like http://www.beagleboard.org/static/videos/
[15:23:11] <jkridner|work> I think only firefox supports that now. maybe opera or chrome, but not likely IE.
[15:23:12] <Crofton|work> any slides from the dvb guys?
[15:23:20] <jkridner|work> nothing from them yet. :(
[15:23:32] <jkridner|work> I don't see them on IRC either.
[15:24:16] <Crofton|work> must be grad students, not finishing slides until last possible moment .....
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[15:28:11] <tema> jkridner, I noticed I forget to re-fill updated slides
[15:28:23] <tema> can you give me a few secs do send/upload updated ones.
[15:28:58] <jkridner|work> they might not be updated in the flash stream, but I'll try.
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[15:30:02] <kblin> Crofton|work: hey.. not only grad students do that :)
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[15:31:19] <jkridner|work> unfortunatley. :)
[15:31:19] <Guest8638> jkridner|work: we can not f??nd dial-in number for Turkey
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[15:32:03] <jkridner|work> private message me your number and I'll have the operator dial you in at the right time... for the other presentations, I guess you'll need to listen to the flash stream.
[15:32:12] <jkridner|work> (unless you want to call long distance)
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[15:46:54] <jkridner|work> anyone using the flash stream?
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[15:47:33] <kblin> I can try :)
[15:48:27] <kblin> funky music :)
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[15:54:25] <kblin> this is going to be weird... I
[15:54:42] <kblin> 've never given a talk without being able to see my audience before :)
[15:54:55] <Stskeeps> kblin: that can be an advantage ;)
[15:55:13] <jkridner|work> getting started in just 5 minutes!
[15:55:22] <kblin> Stskeeps: not convinced
[15:55:28] <_av500_> funky music here too
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[15:55:53] <Stskeeps> kblin: no way to tell if your jokes fall to the ground ;)
[15:55:59] <_av500_> maybe the audience can upload an image each to the wiki :)
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[15:59:21] <jkridner|work> we'll assume all jokes fall flat. :)
[15:59:27] <jkridner|work> where is billmar?
[15:59:37] <kblin> rcn-ee: hey there :)
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[16:00:43] <super> good afternoon all, can anyone help with the wireless on bb using belkin g? thanks
[16:00:55] <rcn-ee> hi kblin, ready for your presentation?
[16:01:28] <kblin> rcn-ee: it's weird, doing this sitting at home without seeing my audience
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[16:03:45] <rcn-ee> kblin: its always a little weird the first time, (atleast your home thou), otherwise that's something i dislike about voice conferences..
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[16:09:19] <billmar> My presentation is now posted at http://specialcomp.com/beagleboard/eTechDay_091117.pdf
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[16:11:00] <kblin> jkridner|work: I'm not sure I can vouch for high-quality on my land-line, but it's a land-line
[16:11:25] <_av500_> jkrider-vertical-bar-work: can we ask for specific songs
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[16:12:01] <billmar> jason: i'm calling into 877 561 6828, may need a speaker's line?
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[16:15:31] <jkridner|work> billmar: sent you the speaker dial-in #.
[16:16:43] <jkridner|work> kinda quiet in here.
[16:16:52] <jkridner|work> guess everyone is paying close attention.
[16:16:55] <jpsaman> jkridner|work: who is speaking now?
[16:17:00] <jkridner|work> Gareth Long.
[16:17:30] <Skippy_> Is this the "Open Source Community" IRC? Just checking...
[16:17:46] <jpsaman> jkridner|work: so I am up in ~15 minutes?
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[16:18:43] <jkridner|work> billmar: can you put that link on the wiki?
[16:18:52] <jkridner|work> billmar: I won't be able to put that in the feed.
[16:18:53] <Skippy_> I see this term "Symbian^3". What does this represent?
[16:19:07] <teknolog> Symbian^3 is the next release of symbian
[16:19:16] <teknolog> due in around February
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[16:21:11] <billmar> jason: I didn't get the callin mail yet.
[16:21:41] <jkridner|work> I sent the # to you via IRC
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[16:22:06] <Julienf> billmar: which country are you in?
[16:22:20] <billmar> jason: I'm afaid it scrolled by already.
[16:22:56] <jkridner|work> sent it again.
[16:23:32] <billmar> jason: got it.
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[16:25:00] <Julienf> Symbian releases a stable every 6 months, each of them gets a higher ^x version
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[16:25:56] <victorp> symbian roadmap at http://developer.symbian.org/wiki/index.php/Roadmap_for_the_Symbian_Platform
[16:26:53] <jkridner|work> billmar: are you on the line?
[16:27:10] <billmar> yes
[16:27:39] <jkridner|work> we'll be starting the presentation in 3 minutes.
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[16:32:54] <jkridner|work> guess most people are able to see the live streams ok?
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[16:33:59] <Stskeeps> watching on flash, seems OK. could need a bit of volume regulation but so it goes
[16:34:39] <jkridner|work> yeah, I could have managed the audio setup better. The On24 guys have been pretty helpful.
[16:34:56] <jkridner|work> I just kept changing the plans trying to make this as easy on the presenters as possible...
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[16:35:56] <jkridner|work> very concerned about the pre-recorded presentations, which I wasn't able to get queued up electronically. sound quality might not be the best live, but will be better for viewing afterwards.
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[16:37:51] * Crofton|work I really need to order the gumstix palo case :)
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[16:39:18] <billmar> Crofton: You can order our Gumstix stuff at http://specialcomp.com/gumstix
[16:39:43] <Crofton> yeah, I need to get around to it
[16:40:10] * likewise notices some off-topic adds being thrown on-channel :-)
[16:40:28] <Crofton> well, I don't know anything about wince :)
[16:40:39] <likewise> ask what it is then
[16:40:59] <likewise> maybe it's wine compatible
[16:41:05] <Crofton> well, I know it is closed source from MS, which is out of my field of interest :)
[16:41:13] <Crofton> but, the cases are really cool
[16:41:17] <kblin> likewise: there's someone working on getting libwine to work on ARM
[16:41:23] <Crofton> and I am glad Bill is helping Jason
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[16:41:49] <kblin> likewise: so this might be less of a joke than you think :)
[16:41:50] <mohit_> Hey guys I got my board today (India)...well the serial connection doesn't work...have tried different host OSes as well as different host machines...doesn't work. All I am guessisng now is maybe, maybe faulty cables...
[16:41:54] <Crofton> are the dvb guys in the channel?
[16:42:08] <Crofton> mohit_, most serial issues are cable related
[16:43:06] <kblin> mohit_: try the cable with a pin connecting the RX/TX lines, that's an easy test for your null modem cable
[16:43:14] <mohit_> Cool...thanks....will try procuring more (just that finding the null modem cable is difficult 'round here)
[16:43:18] <quick> hello i got my belkin g today, im told i need to use the rt73 driver? where do i put it?
[16:43:35] <jkridner|work> Crofton: they are.
[16:43:45] <jkridner|work> oh, I mean they are on the phone.
[16:43:50] * likewise changes topic to '"Welcome to #Beagle | Discussion about the OMAP3 Beagle Board - http://beagleboard.org | NOW ON AIR: http://wiki.omap.com/index.php/ETechDays_Community_Lightning_Talks"'
[16:44:42] <mohit_> Crofton I am not sure if I follow...how am I supposed to test the cable ?
[16:44:47] <jkridner|work> thanks likewise.
[16:44:57] <likewise> np
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[16:47:13] <mohit_> Sorry I meant asking that to kblin
[16:47:34] * likewise changes topic to '"Welcome to #Beagle | Discussion about the OMAP3 Beagle Board - http://beagleboard.org | !NOW ON AIR! http://tinyurl.com/etechlightning !NOW ON AIR!"'
[16:47:47] <jkridner|work> DVB-T guys are speaking now, but not on IRC. I will pass questions along from IRC.
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[16:51:24] <jkridner|work> you need to download slides from the wiki page as I didn't get the slides in time.
[16:51:48] <mohit_> fuck[oijl
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[16:54:29] <jkridner|work> any questions for the DVB-T guys?
[16:54:39] <jkridner|work> why is everyone so shy today?
[16:54:40] <likewise> What exactly do you mean by implement "DVB-T"? What part runs on the DSP, what part on ARM, what part external to the base Beagleboard?
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[16:55:05] <jkridner|work> thanks likewise.
[16:55:20] <likewise> please rephrase question to your liking :-)
[16:56:04] <jkridner|work> guess he is on the IRC channel. :)
[16:56:22] <jkridner|work> oh, hi fatih'
[16:56:33] <fatih`> hi jkridner|work
[16:56:39] <Crofton> Have you thought about using the Universal Software Radio Peripheral to digitize the RF?
[16:57:22] <jkridner|work> suleyman is also here.
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[16:57:58] <Crofton> Also, what is the sample rate of the raw dvb signal
[16:59:19] <jkridner|work> maybe I should type the answers.
[16:59:38] <jkridner|work> seems that it was considered USRP or Beagle, not USRP+Beagle.
[16:59:52] <Crofton> yeah, I would use usrp + beagle :)
[17:00:01] <Crofton> ouch :)
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[17:00:15] <Ceriand|work> If they're not using the USRP how do they get the signal in?
[17:00:47] <Crofton> dvb guys, if you want to talk about things, I'd be glad to help with what I can
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[17:01:06] <likewise> fatih`, suleyman : thanks
[17:01:14] <Crofton> I gotta run to lunch now
[17:01:27] <likewise> bon appetit
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[17:01:34] <jkridner|work> indeed, thanks fatih', suleyman. might consider Beagle+USRP, but I really don't know how you are bringing in the raw data.
[17:01:46] <Crofton> fatih`, suleyman thanks, and good luck with the project
[17:02:14] <Crofton> The higher data rates may be challenging with a beagle only solution
[17:02:20] <ds2> morning
[17:02:25] <Crofton> bbl
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[17:02:59] <suleyman> jkridner|work: we will get front filter and ADC to get digitla data
[17:03:42] <ds2> Crofton: use the beagle just for IF
[17:06:40] <jkridner|work> there are several questions on the On24 interface....
[17:06:49] <jkridner|work> I'll be asking those people to move their questions here.
[17:06:57] <suleyman> Crofton: as ds2 said , we will use bb for IF
[17:06:57] <jkridner|work> we are an "open" bunch.
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[17:09:25] <nhg> symbian demo just died?
[17:09:35] <nhg> can't hear audio anymore
[17:09:41] <likewise> still ok here
[17:09:46] <nhg> hmm...
[17:09:52] <rakshat> ok here too
[17:09:55] <likewise> suggest restart your connection to the site
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[17:10:21] <nhg> restarting worked...thanks
[17:10:49] <nhg> it happened several times before also...not sure why...
[17:10:52] <jkridner|work> you can also dial-in by phone.
[17:11:04] <jkridner|work> guess it might be long distance for you.
[17:11:16] <nhg> what's the number?
[17:11:25] <nhg> I'm in Dallas
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[17:11:51] <likewise> nhg: see link in topic
[17:12:10] <jkridner|work> which is http://tinyurl.com/etechlightning
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[17:12:44] <nhg> thx
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[17:13:39] <likewise> Zoom2: New, Now Sales People Resistant, Lifetime Guarantee
[17:14:06] <jkridner|work> hehe
[17:14:12] <nhg> likewise: what do you mean by that?
[17:14:26] <jkridner|work> nhg: he's talking about what garethl is saying.
[17:14:38] <nhg> oh..ok
[17:14:47] <likewise> Zoom2: New, Now Sales People Resistant, Lifetime Guarantee
[17:14:52] <likewise> sry
[17:14:55] <jkridner|work> nhg: can you repeat questions that you had?
[17:15:01] <jkridner|work> only have 1 minute for Q&A now.
[17:15:06] <jkridner|work> roughly.
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[17:15:40] <nhg> when will Series60 available for the symbian foundation?
[17:15:45] <jkridner|work> nhg: did you have questions?
[17:16:07] <nhg> how to become a member? is it free?
[17:16:08] <jkridner|work> keep the questions coming...
[17:16:12] <jkridner|work> don't wait for the answers. :)
[17:17:06] <likewise> toolchain free as well?
[17:17:17] <nhg> So today I can only get BSP for Zoom2 right? No apps without having to pay for Symbian Foundation?
[17:17:23] <victorp> the rvct4.0 compiler
[17:17:26] <victorp> that is
[17:17:37] <teknolog> will the kernel eventually compile with gcc?
[17:17:38] <likewise> thanks
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[17:18:48] <victorp> the toolchain now supports gcce
[17:18:59] <victorp> that is sbsv2
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[17:19:03] <victorp> also EPL
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[17:20:04] <garethl> Thanks guys for giving me the opportunity to speak to you.. twice! My email address is garethl@symbian.org if you have any questions at all. I'm here to work with you
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[17:21:23] <jkridner|work> thanks garethl!
[17:21:41] <jkridner|work> i think it was helpful.
[17:22:01] <garethl> You're welcome
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[17:22:37] <nhg> garethl: I missed the part about Series60 licensing
[17:22:46] <nhg> Sorry my audio went out again
[17:23:10] <garethl> Essentially what is provided to Symbian Foundation members is what was called Series 60
[17:23:14] <nhg> How much is it for 1 year membership to Symbian Foundation to get Series60
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[17:23:27] <garethl> We;re moving forwards to other development environments such as Qt
[17:24:18] <garethl> http://www.symbian.org/members
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[17:24:29] <garethl> Explains the benefits of membership, rates, etc
[17:25:15] <Skippy_> So Android "Cupcake" is older, v1.0 stuff and "Eclair" is newer, v2.0 stuff, correct?
[17:26:11] <Skippy_> Oh and "Donut" must be v1.6, right?
[17:26:27] <_koen_> it seems to go by alphabet
[17:26:28] <jkridner|work> Skippy_: Yes, Cupcake is older but I'll ask on the call so we can get his answer recorded
[17:26:35] <nhg> garethl: so what can I do with https://gforge.ti.com/gf/project/omapsymbian if I flash it to a zoom2 currently without having the foundation membership?
[17:26:41] <_koen_> so the next one will be Fudge?
[17:26:45] <likewise> Eclair = 2.0, see upcoming sheet :-)
[17:26:48] * mru waits for Waffle
[17:27:00] <nhg> garethl: it will boot but no GUI + Apps etc?
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[17:27:29] <garethl> Yes, it runs 'TextShell' - similar to a command promptt
[17:27:47] <garethl> However, you have binaries for GUI components
[17:28:01] <garethl> So you can build a full UI ROM without becoming a member
[17:28:19] <garethl> Membership gives you source access to everything
[17:28:42] <nhg> oh...ok...thanks...going through the site...but it doesn't seem to list rates of membership...explicitly
[17:28:50] <garethl> Building a full UI rom is something several people are doing right now
[17:28:57] <nhg> was just trying to get a rough idea on how much it costs...
[17:29:11] <garethl> It is listed on the link I sent - $1500USD a year currently
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[17:29:38] <nhg> found it
[17:29:43] <nhg> hmm...
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[17:30:07] <likewise> jkridner|work: Question: What can we expect in the demo image of the donut 2009-11-03 weekly image?
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[17:31:44] <jkridner|work> http://arowboat.org
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[17:32:42] <likewise> maybe status of 3d accel?
[17:32:46] <[ng]> where is 3d accel in the roadmap
[17:32:53] <[ng]> heh
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[17:33:33] <jkridner|work> jpsaman: where are you?
[17:33:53] <jpsaman> i am here
[17:34:10] <jkridner|work> great.
[17:34:14] <[ng]> what display sizes are you targetting? 720p displays?
[17:35:34] <[ng]> great thanks
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[17:36:38] <jpsaman> being held up at the operator
[17:36:45] <nhg> rowboat is currently meant to run on OMAP3EVM?
[17:37:05] <katier> nhg rowboat runs on the mistral omap3evm and beagleboard
[17:37:25] <nhg> thx
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[17:40:25] <khasim> is call still active ? I am not able to here anything now
[17:40:33] <khasim> hear
[17:40:35] <likewise> yes, audio is good
[17:40:43] <likewise> restart your web site session
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[17:41:27] <jkridner|work> I'm surprised how many people are viewing from the web, rather than just dialing into the call.
[17:41:42] <jkridner|work> I think everyone watching their browser is causing them to not type into IRC much. :)
[17:41:56] <likewise> jkridner|work: no phone near me and headset attached to pc
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[17:42:28] <jkridner|work> likewise: at least you are active here. :)
[17:42:44] <likewise> do you have a listener count from the service(s)?
[17:42:45] <jkridner|work> I see a lot of new nicks, but they are all very quiet. :)
[17:43:02] <likewise> I came by on pure accident, even.
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[17:43:11] <[ng]> Question: what's the plan with HDMI in terms of what stack will be used to read EDID and deal with HDCP?
[17:44:03] <jkridner|work> any more questions?
[17:44:21] <likewise> was AAC audio on the list (cannot see that slide anymore) ?
[17:44:36] <[ng]> yea
[17:44:44] <[ng]> currently supported
[17:44:46] <JoeBorn> can you give any overview on codecs
[17:44:47] <JoeBorn> ?
[17:44:57] <fischer> VLC question: does VLC Davinci port use GStreamer or directly controls the audio / video streaming?
[17:45:38] <[ng]> is there an ETA on the 720p version?
[17:46:08] <fischer> What API are you using to access the hardware accelerator? CodeEngine / DMAI / ???
[17:46:22] <JoeBorn> I meant more from a "market availability" on the codec side, maybe as much a question for jkridner to address?
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[17:48:06] <JoeBorn> thanks
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[17:51:40] <jkridner|work> thanks all. I thought that was pretty good.
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[17:54:02] <jkridner|work> any feedback as far as how the lightning talk process is going?
[17:54:08] <jkridner|work> smoother than with WebEx?
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[17:54:26] <likewise> worked fine here, wasn't there last time...
[17:54:29] <jkridner|work> seems to be less activity in the IRC, but there are several people watching the stream and the IRC room is slightly more full than usual.
[17:55:00] <Jefro_> we're all rocking out to the hold music
[17:56:50] <jkridner|work> :)
[17:57:52] <jkridner|work> will be going for an hour still.
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[17:58:23] <jkridner|work> the URL changes for the afternoon.
[17:58:39] <Jefro_> hm, just quit on me. is it still feeding?
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[17:59:42] <jkridner|work> probably not...
[17:59:48] <jkridner|work> it is lunch break time.
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[18:01:17] <Jefro_> ok, thanks
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[18:03:40] <Batko_Marto> Hey guys, I'm trying to boot kernel 2.6.31 but it hangs at startup with this: input: gpio-keys as /devices/platform/gpio-keys/input/input0 being the last thing that i see
[18:04:04] <Batko_Marto> any ideas how to fix the problem?
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[18:09:25] <hersh> how to install bluetooth dongle on Angstrom demo???
[18:10:59] <hersh> how to install bluetooth dongle on Angstrom demo???
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[18:12:38] <lifeeth> hersh, you plug it in and pray :)
[18:12:44] <jkridner|work> _koen_: do you happen to know if bluetooth is supported in the Angstrom demo kernel?
[18:12:53] <jkridner|work> hersh: which kernel are you using?
[18:14:09] <jkridner|work> I'm grabbing a quick bite of lunch!
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[18:16:23] <Batko_Marto> anyone gotten the 2.6.31 kernel to work on the beagle?
[18:16:47] <mru> 2.6.32-rc6-06423-g9ddd279 running here
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[18:17:14] <mru> never tried exactly .31
[18:17:22] <Batko_Marto> my 2.6.31 hangs on the boot
[18:17:30] <Batko_Marto> input: gpio-keys as /devices/platform/gpio-keys/input/input0 is the last thing
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[18:20:53] <porro> Batko_Marto: osd2 doesn't have gio-keys/input, there is simpy no such hardware
[18:21:39] <porro> Batko_Marto: look at your kernel .config file, seems this is the first place to start.
[18:23:02] <Batko_Marto> porro: i thought the beagleboard had gpio
[18:23:49] <porro> Batko_Marto: are we talking about osd2? My thought is that osd2 hardware is the same with or without case
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[18:28:33] <Batko_Marto> porro: i'm not sure what the osd2 is based on but i'm using a beagleboard
[18:30:07] <porro> Batko_Marto: then what platform your question is about?
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[18:30:41] <Batko_Marto> porro: just a beagleboard
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[18:33:17] <porro> Batko_Marto: beagleboard of what platform?
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[18:33:58] <porro> Batko_Marto: oh, seems you are talking about omap, then I don't know
[18:34:06] <Batko_Marto> porro: yeah
[18:34:15] <Batko_Marto> porro: that's ok
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[18:41:19] <jkridner|work> osd2 is based on dm6446, but both have C6000 DSPs.
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[18:46:34] <jkridner|work> khasim: please dial in. 15 minutes to your talk.
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[18:50:32] <ds2> can you hear things from all the numbers?
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[18:57:07] <jkridner|work> should be able to.
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[18:59:41] <jkridner|work> ds2: can you hear us now?
[18:59:51] <ds2> can't call in yet
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[19:00:22] <jkridner|work> could anyone hear me on the dial-in?
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[19:03:17] <jkridner|work> can everyone hear khasim?
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[19:03:37] <enashpgh> yes
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[19:05:59] <jkridner|work> ds2: do I need to delay your presentation by 15 minutes?
[19:06:19] <jkridner|work> ds was not able to show up. :(
[19:07:08] <ds2> how about 7.5 and the next guy goes on early by 7.5?
[19:07:32] <fischer> Hi all, I justed added a 'Panther ??? LeopardBoard PVR ' presentation in the 3:15 pm CST time slot. Please join me and learn about audio / video record / playback on the low cost Leopard Board platform.
[19:08:16] <ds2> donno if my batteries can tolerate a 15min delay
[19:09:45] <jkridner|work> can you handle 0 delay?
[19:09:53] <jkridner|work> ds2: no delay is best.
[19:10:02] <jkridner|work> but, I can be flexible. won't start anyone early though.
[19:10:14] <jkridner|work> people might want to show up for their talk.
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[19:11:02] <ds2> yes
[19:11:18] <ds2> let me call in
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[19:11:49] <ds2> you can start the presentation w/o me live as you got the MP3
[19:12:13] <jkridner|work> i guess.
[19:12:53] <jkridner|work> any hawkboard.org questions?
[19:13:03] <jkridner|work> is everyone following along OK?
[19:13:13] <ds2> on hold?!
[19:13:26] <ds2> the call iin is putting me on hold
[19:13:32] <Jefro_> following along - but it was a very thorough presentation, no q's
[19:14:30] <enashpgh> are others hearing a second conversation?
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[19:16:53] <spark_irv> audio quality is very poor
[19:17:06] <mmetzger> Lots of interference, can barely hear anything (via flash)
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[19:17:29] <ds2> arrrggggg
[19:17:32] <Ceriand|work> can't hear anything now
[19:17:37] <spark_irv> audio is almost completely gone...
[19:17:39] <ds2> this is not working
[19:17:40] <jayabharath> bad audio quality via web/flash... cant hear anything now
[19:18:41] <Grizzlydroid> audio is very quiet (was even with the hawkboard presentation)
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[19:20:03] <Ceriand|work> can the speaker get closer to his mic?
[19:20:26] <ds2> this is pre-recorded
[19:20:27] <kblin> it's likely a phone
[19:20:30] <kblin> oh
[19:21:18] <ds2> looks like thhe MP3 codec is interacting; it is no bbetter on the phone
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[19:22:11] <Ceriand|work> is there a link to the MP3 so we can actually hear what's being said later?
[19:22:22] <ds2> let me set that up
[19:23:57] <jkridner|work> problem is that there isn't a way to upload the mp3.
[19:24:15] <jkridner|work> recording will be better.
[19:25:09] <ds2> I'll make it live; no bw to upload a MP3 at the moment
[19:25:12] <ds2> sorry about this
[19:32:35] <jkridner|work> sorry for the lack of sync on the slides.
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[19:33:30] <jkridner|work> at least the bad audio showed that plenty of people were listening. :)
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[19:34:11] <Grizzlydroid> anyone else hearing crosstalk?
[19:34:17] <kblin> jkridner|work: ok, I can dial in, so I guess we're fine
[19:34:23] <jkridner|work> great!
[19:35:21] <jkridner|work> [ng], fhunleth: are you guys able to join in?
[19:35:32] <jkridner|work> ds2: is that your phone going nuts? :)
[19:35:48] <ds2> no
[19:35:49] <Grizzlydroid> "come on 4:00"...
[19:36:16] <fhunleth> jkridner|work: we're listening on the web. I'll call in shortly...
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[19:36:19] <Grizzlydroid> someone unmuted that shouldn't be?
[19:36:34] <jkridner|work> odd. whole line should be muted. :(
[19:36:49] <jkridner|work> I'm not hearing the noise.
[19:37:26] <Grizzlydroid> phone going nuts = the beeping ?
[19:37:26] <kblin> was that a beeping sound?
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[19:37:36] <enashpgh> i was hearing the crosstalk - but I dialed back in and seems much better
[19:38:39] <kblin> might have been my phone then..
[19:38:48] <kblin> am I muted?
[19:39:05] <Ceriand|work> what's the URL for the DSS2 kernel?
[19:39:13] <Ceriand|work> and which branch is "stable"
[19:39:26] <jkridner|work> ping tomba
[19:39:48] <jkridner|work> I always get the patches from Angstrom.
[19:39:53] <Ceriand|work> ok
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[19:40:20] <jkridner|work> is http://gitorious.org/linux-omap-dss2 the right place?
[19:40:44] <jkridner|work> might not be up-to-date.
[19:40:59] <jkridner|work> http://www.bat.org/~tomba/ is his home page.
[19:41:33] <jkridner|work> maybe, but it is limited bandwidth.
[19:41:52] <jkridner|work> ds2 also pulls the patches from Angstrom. :)
[19:41:52] <Ceriand|work> Thanks :)
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[19:43:07] <mru> kblin: the gitorious dss2 tree should be reasonably up to date
[19:43:13] <mru> err... jkridner|work ^^
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[19:45:39] <tomba> jkridner|work: for-next branch in gitorious is latest currently
[19:46:02] <ds2> tomba: you did update it.. cool
[19:46:05] <jkridner|work> thanks. will point people to the gitorious repo for-next branch.
[19:46:14] <jkridner|work> hope that http://eLinux.org/BeagleBoard has the right link.
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[19:46:57] <ds2> file uploading, going to get lunch first
[19:47:15] <jkridner|work> From the On24 Q&A section: "not a question, but http://lwn.net/Articles/361053/ contains good information about DSS2"
[19:47:15] <Kithera> howdy folks
[19:47:23] <jkridner|work> hi Kithera.
[19:47:51] <Kithera> I wanted to hop on as I noticed there was a statement on the website about the HawkBoard
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[19:49:11] <Kithera> It seemed like a nicer board for my wants, but I was wondering how it compared to the beagle.
[19:49:31] <mru> it's a very different processor on it
[19:49:52] * mru thinks it should have been name the Eagleboard
[19:51:03] <ds2> keep in mind the talk is really abbreviated due to limited time (MP3 was about 12 minutes ;))
[19:51:14] <ds2> bbiab
[19:52:04] <jkridner|work> anybody have good ideas how to use ActiveDirectory?
[19:53:11] <jkridner|work> I wonder what network interface he is using.
[19:53:28] <jkridner|work> guess this is cool for a home mail server?
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[19:53:47] <Grizzlydroid> I could see using a sheva plug like device as an active directory server for small businesses
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[19:59:34] <Who> Where do you think the speed bottleneck is (if there is one)?
[20:00:25] <jkridner|work> hawkboard might do a lot better with SATA then, if disk speed is the bottleneck.
[20:00:34] <enashpgh> jeremiah.lott: i think it is mameo 5 http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/maemo-on-non-nokia-devices.pdf
[20:00:40] <Who> Provided with rootfs I could test on IGEPv2
[20:01:27] <Who> (which has built in Ethernet)
[20:02:13] <jkridner|work> I think this thing looks pretty cool.
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[20:03:27] <jkridner|work> want this for all the Tech Day in-person demos with the pico projector.
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[20:04:27] <koen> jkridner|work: bluetooth works as expected with angstrom kernels
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[20:04:46] <enashpgh> crosstalk again - loud this time
[20:04:50] <fhunleth> jkridner|work: we'll definitely try to get you one for in-person
[20:05:00] <fhunleth> demos
[20:05:05] <Jefro_> re crosstalk - don't hear it on the flash feed
[20:05:12] <Jefro_> must be phone only
[20:05:25] <enashpgh> yeah - seems to come and go
[20:05:43] <kblin> Who: sure, feel free to email me and tell me what you need. kai at samba dot org
[20:07:18] <jkridner|work> fhunleth: there is the ability to redistribute 3D graphics libraries.
[20:07:23] <kblin> hehe, that'd be a fun thing to build a robot application for
[20:07:38] <koen> jkridner|work: there is? will you go on record with that?
[20:07:45] <jkridner|work> fhunleth: there are limitations, but it is possible.
[20:08:18] <jkridner|work> koen: I know it is possible, not sure if the existing click-wrap says it.
[20:08:29] <jkridner|work> but, you can get it from TI in a redistributable form.
[20:08:31] <fhunleth> jkridner|work: cool. will check it out afterwards and post the code.
[20:09:31] <koen> jkridner|work: the SDK says it's redistributable, but noone will go on record confirming the eula
[20:09:42] <kblin> now everybody wants to get a hand on a device like that to play with it :)
[20:10:25] <Jefro_> I can think of aviation applications...
[20:10:30] <fhunleth> the easy way is get the device is to go to http://libfreespace.hillcrestlabs.com and click on the Loop link.
[20:10:48] <Jefro_> gps heads-up view that rotates along with the plane
[20:10:57] <fischer> wow, great demo video on youtube
[20:11:01] <koen> fhunleth: you with hillcrest?
[20:11:04] <Jefro_> or a very smart autopilot
[20:11:15] <fhunleth> koen: I'm with Hillcrest.
[20:11:31] <koen> fhunleth: I guess you'll like http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=ec330f6143f4f0ffea721b53bae82060cffc9b56
[20:11:50] <fhunleth> koen: awesome!!
[20:12:18] <fhunleth> koen: thanks for integrating it with OE.
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[20:12:43] <koen> examples will follow soon
[20:16:28] <fhunleth> jefro_: gps heads-up view idea is cool. definitely a possibility
[20:17:04] <ds2> back
[20:17:07] <Jefro_> :) excellent
[20:17:56] <ds2> http://www.hy-research.com/etech2/etech2.mp3
[20:18:22] <ds2> that's the audio; will do the links later so I don't dig too deep of a hole by bypassing version control ;)
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[20:18:52] <ds2> let me know people think that needs to be normalized
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[20:24:22] <rtennill1> any chance that someone could email me a known working angstrom+x11 kernel for omap3evm I need to see if I"m doing wrong with the build in OE or if there is some other issue?
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[20:35:07] <jkridner|work> thanks again Stskeeps.
[20:35:17] <Stskeeps> np :)
[20:37:11] <kblin> Jefro_: so, what version of samba areyou guys shipping? :)
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[20:38:15] <Kithera> Sorry, got pulled away for a minute
[20:38:52] <Kithera> As I was saying, I want to use a beagle for a low power homeserve, coping my current debian install.
[20:39:03] <Kithera> coping=copying
[20:39:37] <Kithera> I was wonderring if anyone got Debian on it yet, and what the power draw is.
[20:39:46] <kblin> Jefro_: ok, feel free to get in touch with me if there's any issues you're seeing. we're currently working on making samba nicer for embedded systems
[20:40:07] <kblin> Kithera: I'm running ubuntu on mine..
[20:40:09] <ds2> at the risk of suggesting an alternative... what's is wrong with the NSLU2?
[20:40:25] <Kithera> ds2, to me?
[20:40:34] <ds2> Kithera: yes
[20:40:52] <Kithera> well, for starters, I don't have a slug, and I believe they're getting a little hard to find.
[20:40:59] <kblin> Kithera: and it's pulling between 4-7 Watts for me, with usb ethernet and a powered hub, also running a usb hdd
[20:41:07] <ds2> oh availability...
[20:41:35] <Kithera> I'm going to be powering the thing by small solar, so every mA counts.
[20:41:51] <Kithera> kblin, on the hawk?
[20:42:09] <kblin> Kithera: beagle c3
[20:42:15] <Kithera> Ahh, yes.
[20:42:28] <Kithera> I know I can do what I want with the beagle.
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[20:42:36] <ds2> the Beagle is in a different class (raw processing powerwise) then the hawk
[20:42:49] <ds2> the NSLU (ixp) is closer to the hawk
[20:43:27] <kblin> Kithera: what do you want to run on your server, btw
[20:44:09] <Jefro_> @kblin: thank, will do!
[20:44:21] <Kithera> debian, cups, nfs, some basic scripting, and (without time constraint) mencoder
[20:44:33] <Kithera> oh, and svn
[20:45:18] <kblin> Jefro_: happy to help. :)
[20:45:19] <Kithera> I plan on putting it in a case with a 2x40 character lcd off the serial port, and a very basic 5 way D-pad
[20:46:16] <kblin> Kithera: so as I said, it's about 4 Watts for me, 7 Watts under load
[20:46:45] <ds2> Kithera: I recommend you run the LCD off the GPIOs
[20:47:00] <ds2> that way you get a lot more LCD choices then those over priced serial to LCD modules
[20:47:36] <Kithera> I'm going to despence with the powered hub, using unpowered one. With efficent DC->DC converters, i'm hopping to keep it below 3W.
[20:47:56] <ds2> the BB doesn't have enough power to run a HW off the USB port
[20:48:07] <ds2> at least not a 2.5" or large one
[20:48:19] <Kithera> seperate power for the hd and dvd-r
[20:48:28] <jkridner|work> _koen_: I know you must have a lot of comments about this. :)
[20:49:02] <prpplague> ds2: "run a HW" ?
[20:49:11] <Jefro_> I think he meant HDD
[20:49:27] <prpplague> ahh
[20:49:52] <kblin> Kithera: I'm not using the EHCI port on my board, that being unstable, and I certainly can't power a usb ethernet controller via the OTG port
[20:50:13] <ds2> prpplague: context
[20:50:19] <ds2> oh that
[20:50:24] <Kithera> but yeay, unpowered hub->usb ethernet, 2x usb->sata (external power)
[20:50:26] <ds2> oops... yeah, HDD
[20:50:42] <Kithera> I thought the C series corrected the EHCI
[20:51:18] <kblin> well, the revC _has_ a connector wired up again
[20:51:46] <jkridner|work> wonder if he's heard of the OSD3!
[20:51:54] <jkridner|work> any questions on XBMC?
[20:51:54] <kblin> but a certain percentage of the boards suffers from hardware issues there, didn't follow up on that too much
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[20:52:25] <Kithera> well, I'll try it with the ehci
[20:53:04] <Kithera> If that should prove unstable, I'll move the unpowered to the otg, and then power the usb ethernet via a seperate means if necessary
[20:53:23] <kblin> there's a fix for the issue, I think, I just don't feel too comfortable soldering around on a board that's doing what I need
[20:54:21] <Kithera> Well, I wont be ordering for another two months most likely, so we'll see what the status is by then
[20:54:30] <jkridner|work> can't believe there isn't more questions on XMBC.
[20:54:56] <fhunleth> great question! :)
[20:54:59] <[ng]> agreed
[20:55:02] <jkridner|work> ;)
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[20:55:11] <Jefro_> re remote control - is there a cheap IR receiver known to work on the beagle?
[20:55:50] <ds2> Jefro_: no, but you might be able to directly wirely a 40KHz IR module (I assume you are refering to CIR)
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[20:56:27] <Jefro_> actually have no experience with them, but the XBMC thing is very compelling. plus I have a soldering iron...
[20:57:12] <Ceriand|work> are the codecs for XBMC currently running on the arm or the dsp?
[20:57:47] <Kithera> ds2, is there a link to point me in the right direction with the GPIO + LCD?
[20:58:53] <ds2> Kithera: not quite but start with this: http://www.hackcanada.com/blackcrawl/elctrnic/lcd-faq.txt
[20:59:16] <muriani> I'm only somewhat interested in the XBMC port, as it's really not much more useful than my old xbox in its current state.
[20:59:33] <muriani> And the xbox plays Q2 and Descent][ :D
[20:59:50] <ds2> Jefro_: are you at HQ?
[21:01:07] <jkridner|work> BB will play both too.
[21:01:29] <prpplague> Kithera: http://lcdproc.org/
[21:01:42] <prpplague> Kithera: lots of examples for char based lcds
[21:01:49] <Kithera> ds2, after a quick look through, are you saying that the native parallel interface on the character display can be more or less directly wired to the gpio?
[21:01:57] <muriani> jkridner|work: yeah, but it doesn't play Beyond Good & Evil :P
[21:02:14] <muriani> Which is what I'm playing more than thne other two atm.
[21:02:17] <ds2> Kithera: yes. the parallel port is basically a bunch of GPIOs... take a look at the link from prpplague... it has more specific examples
[21:02:33] <prpplague> Kithera: alot of them revolve around standard PC parallel port which can be substituted for GPIOS
[21:02:42] <jkridner|work> muriani: only a matter of time. ;)
[21:02:45] <muriani> Unfortunately, an XBMC machine is useless to me at this point unless it can handle 720p h.264 with AC3/DTS streams.
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[21:03:16] <Kithera> sweet!
[21:03:24] <muriani> if I just need audio or SD content, then the beagle would perform admirably there
[21:03:29] <Kithera> I may just try that, saving me about $30
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[21:03:50] <newbie_> howdy
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[21:04:06] <ds2> if you look hard enough, you might be able to find those LCDs for $1-$4 each
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[21:04:28] <prpplague> Kithera: just remember that the GPIO's on the beagle are +1.8V, and most of the lcds are going to be either +3.3v or +5v so you will need to level shift
[21:05:02] <ds2> use a bunch of 2N2222's
[21:05:13] <ds2> those things are slower then molasses in AK
[21:05:44] <ds2> avoid MOSFETs unless you want to do the math
[21:05:51] <newbie_> newb question: if I have a usb HUB that is powered... can I plug both the host port and the OTG into the HUB... and have it recognize a wifi-usb adapter attached to the hub?
[21:07:04] <[ng]> what version of gtk is on your rootfs
[21:08:00] <newbie_> you talking to me?
[21:08:24] <[ng]> no - the gtk version question is for the speaker
[21:08:45] <jeremiahL> linuxlink has 2.18.3 currently
[21:08:54] <Jefro_> newbie_: yes, you should be able to do what you propose (powering the board with the hub while also using it as a hub)
[21:08:55] <[ng]> ok thanks
[21:09:59] <Jefro_> newbie_: take a look at the diagrams here: http://specialcomp.com/beagleboard/
[21:10:13] <Jefro_> question for the speaker: developing anything with moblin?
[21:11:36] <malloc> moblin integration is ongoing, at least for all of the stable packages. some of the moving targets have yet to make it into the release tree
[21:11:39] <newbie_> great thank you
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[21:12:34] <jeremiahL> ed left, but there are other still here from timesys if you still have questions
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[21:13:15] <jkridner|work> thanks jeremiahL!
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[21:13:44] <jkridner|work> many of the people here are based in Europe and it is quite late for them now.
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[21:14:03] <jkridner|work> I think people seem to be a bit mesmerized by the On24 interface and the stream as well. :)
[21:14:30] <jkridner|work> I'm not used to this room being quite so subdued.
[21:14:32] <[ng]> its a nice system
[21:14:58] <ds2> jkridner|work: is there any reason why icecast was not considered ?
[21:15:31] <jkridner|work> ds2: I don't known about icecast.
[21:15:40] <jkridner|work> (until now)
[21:15:56] <ds2> jkridner|work: ah... icecast (commercial version is shoutcast) can stream raw MP3 frames
[21:15:59] <jkridner|work> does it do video?
[21:16:01] <ds2> and there are a lot of players
[21:16:20] <ds2> no video so it'll be like the phone but it can run at 64Kbit rates and you can listen on a N800 ;)
[21:17:01] <ds2> for PC/desktops, there is winamp and most of the Linux media players can handle it... worse case, you can write a player (assuming you have a MP3 decoder) in about 20minutes flat
[21:17:06] <jkridner|work> we all done after this presentation?
[21:17:45] <jkridner|work> ds2: OK, keeps people flipping through the slides that are uploaded. guess it is as good as what we have right now.
[21:18:56] <ds2> jkridner|work: there are video extensions but they are not as widely useable as just the audio part
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[21:21:25] <[ng]> question for the speaker: whats the target resolution / framerate for recordings? is it primarily for SD content?
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[21:22:33] <[ng]> nice
[21:22:46] <CB_> Ask the last presenter to hang up
[21:23:02] <Jefro_> fantastic that ridgerun is supporting students in this fashion
[21:23:05] <Grizzlydroid> heh
[21:23:10] <[ng]> is it skinnable?
[21:23:49] <jeremiahL> ed hung up right away, so it might be another presenter...
[21:24:06] <Jefro_> LOL re dog-watching app
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[21:24:54] <ds2> is that the software guy's answer to hardware designers who put in watch dog timers? ;)
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[21:29:18] <Jefro_> Thanks JK!
[21:29:30] <[ng]> thanks Jason
[21:29:33] <markku> Greate event! Thanks!
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[21:30:53] <jkridner|work> *whew* that ended up being pretty darn fun.
[21:30:58] <jkridner|work> time to take a break from the phone!
[21:31:06] <ds2> thanks jkridner|work
[21:31:11] <jkridner|work> so many people to thank back!
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[21:31:37] <Jefro_> jkridner|work: go get a cookie first. :)
[21:32:09] <mthl31> thanks Jason, this was a very educational set of presentations
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[21:36:44] <belegdol> hello
[21:36:57] <belegdol> is the thunderbird indexing supposed to be working?
[21:37:25] <belegdol> I'm seeing Error description: TypeError: this.CurrentFolder.path is undefined
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[21:38:55] <belegdol> that's on fedora 12 after fixing broken gmime-shapr
[21:38:57] <belegdol> sharp
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[21:47:56] <dirk2> Is anybody with OE able easily able to recompile wpa_supplicant v0.6.9 with the patch http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-12/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant-assoc-timeout.patch?view=markup ?
[21:49:33] <dirk2> I'm currently looking into Overo wifi WPA issues and got the recommendation to recompile wpa_supplicant wit that patch: http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/hostap/2009-November/020564.html
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[22:03:54] <kblin> jkridner|work: had to run off for a bit. thanks for the opportunity to speak :)
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[22:59:08] <jkridner|work> kblin: thank you for speaking!
[22:59:21] <jkridner|work> likewise: thanks for the topic updates and restore.
[22:59:31] <ZeZu> hi jkridner
[22:59:41] <Crofton|work> I am interested in how the dvb guys make out
[22:59:48] <jkridner|work> I really enjoy interacting with the people here. It is a great experience.
[22:59:56] <jkridner|work> Hi ZeZu.
[23:00:14] <jkridner|work> Maybe we can have Pandora guys at the next event! :)
[23:00:42] <ZeZu> poke DJWillis a bit :)
[23:00:43] <likewise> jkridner|work: welcome. Too bad I hadn't learned about the event, I had a dinner appointment so I couldn't join the post-lunch-part
[23:01:28] <ZeZu> I'm sad to see the units haven't shipped yet, i still have a dev. board trade it for a current model beagle + lcd
[23:01:34] <ZeZu> (pandora that is)
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[23:02:17] <ZeZu> or i didn't trade it, i sent the beagle to the other developer but it is dead now :|
[23:02:44] <mikhas> it died because you send it away
[23:03:05] <ZeZu> well both of us having the same platform makes development much faster
[23:03:17] <likewise> dirk2: i can pop the wpa build right now
[23:03:27] <ZeZu> and i dont know why it died, he said it was running and just died during a file transfer
[23:03:48] <mikhas> yeah, it had depressions and killed itself
[23:03:56] <ZeZu> hehe
[23:03:56] <mikhas> =p
[23:05:14] <likewise> dirk2: got an ipk
[23:05:49] <likewise> dirk2: it builds - but I just learned I'm not on OMAP3 platform right now :-/
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[23:09:05] <Barts_> hi...i have a hd webcam. i'm trying to acquire a higher resolution using opencv but all i get is 640x480. does anyone know of any projects or tools?
[23:10:51] <jkridner|work> ZeZu: propose a project on the contest page: http://eLinux.org/BeagleBoard/contest
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[23:15:31] <ds2> should contest winners be mandatory talk participants?
[23:16:31] <ZeZu> jkridner|work, i've already had a project on that page, it wasn't allowed sadly. IIRC it still got some votes though :)
[23:16:37] <jkridner|work> ds2: well, I'm not handing out many Zoom2 or Overo boards...
[23:16:46] <jkridner|work> because the idea was that those go to people who show progress.
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[23:16:58] <jkridner|work> participating in the talks is a great way to show progress.
[23:17:12] <ZeZu> I did have videos of games fully working though :)
[23:17:13] <ds2> it is discouraging to see all those projects vanish into thin air
[23:17:27] <ZeZu> full glesv2 rendering w/o X (or with)
[23:18:33] <ZeZu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o4y9k0s_Xc
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[23:20:29] <jkridner|work> ZeZu, it was decided that early contest entries needed to "re-enter" into the new contest.
[23:21:00] <jkridner|work> so, it is worth editing the wiki to create a new entry.
[23:21:20] <ZeZu> should i enter something else ?
[23:21:30] <jkridner|work> i think the same project is fine.
[23:21:39] <jkridner|work> just need to make a new entry for it under the new contest.
[23:23:28] <ZeZu> ok
[23:24:01] <ZeZu> oooh you guys are giving away those touchbooks ? remember looking at them, were out of my pricerange though, but looked very sexy
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[23:25:45] <DesktopMa> touchbook needs a smaller bezel around the screen. looks so sad now :/
[23:26:04] <ds2> Build your own with your choice of styling
[23:26:13] <ds2> enter that into the contest!
[23:26:25] <DesktopMa> :P
[23:26:34] <DesktopMa> if I could build one I would have already of course :)
[23:26:47] <ds2> what is stopping you?
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[23:27:39] <awozniak> just setting openembedded up... "bitbake nano" => "ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES 'nano'" ; what did I do wrong?
[23:27:57] <djlewis> Barts_: Hi, Your question was a little open ended..
[23:28:15] <DesktopMa> ds2: no building skills what so ever. I guess I could make one out of a cake box hehe
[23:28:17] * djlewis is only on for a few minutes then heading home.
[23:28:39] <Barts_> djlewis: i'm wondering if i can get HD images from my QC9000
[23:28:40] <ds2> ah I see
[23:29:04] <djlewis> Barts_: I expect so, but you asked with openCV?
[23:29:39] <Barts_> right. for now i'm using OpenCV. i'm looking to see if i can specify the dimensions anywhere
[23:29:54] <djlewis> Barts_: with mplayer or gstreamer or ffmplayer you can specify X, Y res.
[23:30:16] <Barts_> thanks...i feel like a klutz for not remembering them
[23:30:31] <djlewis> Barts_: with regards to openCV, on BB? you may wait a while if you expect motion in HD under openCV
[23:30:44] <djlewis> Very slow frame rate with 640x480
[23:31:00] <Barts_> right
[23:31:20] <djlewis> Barts_: 2 to 4 fps, i'm talking about.
[23:31:26] <djlewis> at 640x480
[23:31:50] <djlewis> Barts_: I'll be on later this eve.. gotta go.
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[23:38:31] <ZeZu> ok i readded, at the bottom of contest#3 list
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