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IRC Log for 2010-06-03

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  1. [00:00:03] <Ceriand|work> I facepalmed when I saw this: http://git.uclibc.org/uClibc/tree/libc/stdio/_vfprintf.c#n855
  2. [00:00:41] <javaJake> Ceriand|work: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/git.uclibc.org :/
  3. [00:00:49] <javaJake> Nvm
  4. [00:01:01] <javaJake> Huh, it works 1 out of 5
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  7. [00:07:30] <ds2> BAH... just use char
  8. [00:11:18] <mru> 7-bit ascii ought to be enough for anyone
  9. [00:12:10] <emeb> EBCDIC FTW!
  10. [00:12:24] <Ceriand|work> yea, codepages are sooo much easier
  11. [00:12:30] <emeb> (anyone for Baudot?)
  12. [00:12:37] <Ceriand|work> </scarcasm>
  13. [00:13:16] <Ceriand|work> sarcasm even
  14. [00:13:27] <emeb> scarcasm sounds scarier.
  15. [00:15:04] <javaJake> Gah
  16. [00:15:11] <javaJake> I can't get the kernel to spit to ttyS2 :/
  17. [00:15:32] <javaJake> Anyone know how to properly set up all the kernel args and /etc/{inittab,securetty} files to make this work?
  18. [00:15:44] <javaJake> I had the magic combination a few months ago, but now with a clean image I lost it.
  19. [00:16:52] <Ceriand|work> javaJake: which userspace are you using?
  20. [00:17:17] <javaJake> "userspace"? I'm using a uImage to boot, if that's what you meant
  21. [00:17:31] <ds2> javaJake: what do you want on ttyS2?
  22. [00:17:52] <Ceriand|work> javaJake: are you using busybox or something else for init
  23. [00:18:00] <javaJake> The console
  24. [00:18:21] <javaJake> Whatever that first console is (in a line of 6 or so)
  25. [00:18:23] <ds2> javaJake: that is a kernel commandline argument
  26. [00:18:30] <Ceriand|work> for the kernel "console=ttyS2,115200" should be sufficient
  27. [00:18:34] <ds2> change the console= line
  28. [00:18:59] <javaJake> The kernel boots up just fine with output and all, but then the root term fails to show
  29. [00:19:03] <javaJake> Errr, the first console.
  30. [00:19:08] <ds2> change inittab
  31. [00:19:15] <ds2> make it run getty on ttyS2
  32. [00:19:17] <javaJake> You know, when it's done booting and asks for a login
  33. [00:19:34] <ds2> unless you are running ubuntu then you hack in upstart magic
  34. [00:19:50] <javaJake> I'm running a custom system (Gentoo)
  35. [00:19:58] <Ceriand|work> javaJake: you'll need something like "ttyS2::respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS2 115200 vt100"
  36. [00:20:03] <ds2> Gentoo should be still on inittab
  37. [00:20:08] <javaJake> It's a fairly simple setup though
  38. [00:20:10] <javaJake> It is, I think
  39. [00:20:17] <ds2> the exact syntax depends on the getty you are using
  40. [00:20:25] <javaJake> s2:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 115200 ttyS0 vt102 # current line
  41. [00:20:33] <ds2> look at what's there and modify it. make usre the first thing is unique and
  42. [00:20:40] <ds2> javaJake: change the ttyS0 to ttyS2
  43. [00:20:45] <javaJake> c2:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty2 linux # another one :?
  44. [00:21:00] <javaJake> But, yea, I'll change that ttyS0
  45. [00:21:12] <ds2> reboot or hup init
  46. [00:21:22] <mru> tty[0-9] are the local virtual terminals
  47. [00:21:29] * javaJake boots into /bin/bash, uses sed to edit
  48. [00:21:33] <mru> ttyS* are the serial ports
  49. [00:21:34] <javaJake> ^^^ that'll put hair on your chest ;)
  50. [00:21:45] <mru> hup init = telinit q
  51. [00:22:16] <ds2> init q == kill -HUP 1 == telinit q
  52. [00:22:21] <javaJake> OK
  53. [00:22:41] <mru> yeah, init = telinit when pid != 1
  54. [00:22:47] <mru> at least with some inits
  55. [00:23:03] <ds2> I assume 'standard' unices ;)
  56. [00:23:12] <javaJake> Yay, that worked
  57. [00:23:13] <javaJake> Huzzah
  58. [00:23:18] <mru> your average sysvinit does that
  59. [00:24:00] <javaJake> Rats. I forgot I need to set root passwd first. Otherwise, the prompt shows up.
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  63. [00:32:11] <jacekowski> is it possible to push out sound over dvi on bb?
  64. [00:32:17] <jacekowski> if i connect it to tv
  65. [00:32:34] <emeb> jacekowski: no sound connection to beagle's hdmi connector
  66. [00:33:19] <jacekowski> but these are same data lines
  67. [00:33:30] <ds2> I suppose you can use the harmonics to induce sound on a TV
  68. [00:34:02] <emeb> jacekowski: but they're hooked to a serializer chip that only has video inputs.
  69. [00:34:26] <emeb> If you can figure out a way to slip sound data into the DSS output bus you'd be a hero though.
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  72. [00:43:58] * emeb note to self: 0xG != 0x10
  73. [00:56:26] <likewise> 0x10 = 0
  74. [00:56:37] <likewise> 0xG = 0
  75. [00:56:42] <likewise> so 0xG == 0x10
  76. [00:57:13] <emeb> err - where'd you get 0x10 = 0?
  77. [00:57:19] <likewise> 0 x 10 == 0
  78. [00:57:27] <emeb> ah. lol
  79. [00:57:30] <likewise> :-)
  80. [00:57:34] <likewise> good nite all
  81. [00:57:40] <emeb> later
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  129. [04:16:17] <ds2> quiet evening
  130. [04:16:37] <ds2> isn't there some android that needs to be ported?
  131. [04:19:04] <Alan> has anybody here used matlab with a beagleboard?
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  135. [04:29:44] <ds2> eh?
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  139. [04:38:30] <emeb|mac> matlab & beagleboard? How does that work?
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  147. [05:05:06] <ds2> very well I suppose
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  153. [05:16:26] <emeb|mac> hmmm - I've never used matlab to do anything other than write simulations. Don't suppose that's what he's talking about.
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  156. [05:22:45] <ds2> depends on if you do a lot of signal processing or not
  157. [05:23:03] <emeb|mac> I do a lot of DSP.
  158. [05:23:34] <ds2> some things are easier to do in the analog domain
  159. [05:24:58] <emeb|mac> I guess you can use matlab to write code (DSP and HDL) - maybe he's wondering if you can target ARM/DSP from matlab?
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  161. [05:25:38] <mIKEjONES> maybe simulink compiled for the c64x?
  162. [05:25:54] <emeb|mac> yeah - that's what I'm thinking.
  163. [05:26:43] <ds2> it is about being convoluted
  164. [05:26:53] <emeb|mac> trying to integrate that with dsplink & linux could be a challenge
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  166. [05:27:24] <emeb|mac> you'd probably be better off going to a pure c64x.
  167. [05:28:06] <ds2> but which works better to keep out the 'fir's
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  169. [05:28:44] <emeb|mac> what's wrong with FIRs?
  170. [05:28:50] <ds2> even if you were infinitely less IR, they are all convoluted stuff
  171. [05:29:13] <ds2> firs ain't that steep
  172. [05:29:21] <ds2> unless you tap it a lot
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  174. [05:29:33] <emeb|mac> your punny.
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  176. [05:30:34] <ds2> wonder how many people did I convince I am talking about xmas trees ;)
  177. [05:31:18] <MostAwesomeDude> I'm porting some IIR LADSPA plugins right now actually.
  178. [05:31:25] <MostAwesomeDude> Dunno if the DSP will be needed.
  179. [05:31:47] <emeb|mac> would be nifty to have c64x LADSPA plugins.
  180. [05:32:51] <emeb|mac> but NEON probably works pretty well too
  181. [05:33:44] <emeb|mac> MostAwesomeDude: what kind of IIR functions?
  182. [05:34:12] <MostAwesomeDude> emeb|mac: I need the BLOP plugins, the CAPS plugins, and I think one other, maybe SWH.
  183. [05:34:18] <MostAwesomeDude> None of them are in OE.
  184. [05:34:32] <MostAwesomeDude> I've already started on BLOP. Doesn't cross-compile at all. :T
  185. [05:34:50] * emeb|mac knows very little about LADSPA
  186. [05:35:43] <emeb|mac> ah - BLOP = bandlimited oscillators.
  187. [05:36:48] * emeb|mac has done some bandlimited oscillators: http://www.analoguehaven.com/synthesistechnology/e340/
  188. [05:37:02] <ds2> why not DDS?
  189. [05:37:48] <emeb|mac> ds2: for good-sounding audio oscillators that model analog synths it helps to control BW to limit aliases
  190. [05:38:08] <MostAwesomeDude> LADSPAa
  191. [05:38:12] <MostAwesomeDude> Argfl.
  192. [05:38:17] <emeb|mac> "naive" sawtooths sound _really_ crappy
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  194. [05:38:36] <mIKEjONES> what's a cloud generator?
  195. [05:38:41] <MostAwesomeDude> My sound starts with a saw, and so bandlimiting is essential.
  196. [05:39:12] <ds2> emeb|mac:doesn't a DDS with a fast enough clock do that?
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  198. [05:39:32] <emeb|mac> mIKEjONES: it's a synthesizer module that has 8 sawtooth oscillators controlled by voltages
  199. [05:39:59] <emeb|mac> ds2: sure - a fast clock isn't always practical though.
  200. [05:40:27] <emeb|mac> for audio apps it doesn't make sense to sample at 10MHz just to avoid aliases
  201. [05:41:33] <ds2> ewww audio
  202. [05:41:42] <emeb|mac> audio is fun!
  203. [05:41:50] <ds2> RF is better
  204. [05:42:02] <emeb|mac> RF is fun too!
  205. [05:42:19] <MostAwesomeDude> Saws are *always* a problem if not bandlimited. The only other cheap way to make saws is t - floor(t), which is timelimited in any sampling domain.
  206. [05:46:50] <emeb|mac> MostAwesomeDude: blop.sourceforge.net says that BLOP is wavetable based. True?
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  208. [05:55:09] <MostAwesomeDude> emeb|mac: Yes. The wavetables are actually a bit of a problem, because it does awful rpath/dlopen hax to get them loaded.
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  211. [06:02:15] <emeb|mac> Hmm - wouldn't it be nicer to use numerical techniques like BLIP/BLEP/etc?
  212. [06:03:03] <MostAwesomeDude> Maybe. This is pretty quick (Quick Enough), so I'm not inclined to change it beyond consolidating the code.
  213. [06:08:28] <emeb|mac> looks like the oscillator in CAPS just oversamples 8x. Unfortunately even 8x isn't enough to keep the aliases down.
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  216. [06:13:16] <MostAwesomeDude> Yeah, hence BLOP.
  217. [06:13:31] <MostAwesomeDude> I like what the CAPS chorus plugins do to my sound though.
  218. [06:15:35] <emeb|mac> cool stuff...
  219. [06:15:39] <emeb|mac> well - gn
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  240. [07:18:01] <jacekowski> morning
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  242. [07:19:19] <jacekowski> just to confirm, rev c4 ground is on outside part of barrel connector
  243. [07:21:48] <dm8tbr> just check with an multimeter :)
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  247. [07:33:02] <jacekowski> well, how?
  248. [07:33:11] <jacekowski> i want to know where positive should go
  249. [07:34:37] <koen> did you read teh manual?
  250. [07:35:26] * eAndrius (~andr@88-222-169-44.meganet.lt) has joined #beagle
  251. [07:36:09] <jacekowski> yes
  252. [07:36:18] <jacekowski> but i read that some revisions had it reversed
  253. [07:36:44] <koen> really?
  254. [07:36:51] <jacekowski> yes
  255. [07:36:56] <koen> where?
  256. [07:37:40] <jacekowski> on the internet
  257. [07:38:01] * koen puts jacekowski on /ignore now
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  259. [07:38:53] <MostAwesomeDude> Heh. I read it on the Internets.
  260. [07:39:26] <koen> therefore it must be more true than the manual
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  262. [07:41:35] <jacekowski> well, on one of semi official pages
  263. [07:41:49] <jacekowski> or even on beagleboard.org
  264. [07:43:28] <MostAwesomeDude> Test it with a multimeter.
  265. [07:45:34] <jacekowski> hmm
  266. [07:45:46] <jacekowski> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#Errata
  267. [07:46:05] <jacekowski> Boards revision A only: The DC power jack pinout is incorrect on the PCB layout. DC_5V and GND are switched on PCB layout. Normally, the power jack has DC_5V on the center pin and GND on the sleeve (see Figure 20 of Beagle HW manual). But on revision Ax boards the PCB layout has GND on center and DC_5V on sleeve.
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  269. [07:47:08] <jacekowski> so it's true, but not for my revision
  270. [07:47:25] <dm8tbr> RevA, I never see that mentioned here
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  273. [07:55:07] <koen> revA boards weren't sold
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  279. [08:05:34] <bosshog> What resolution will the bb xm be able to output?
  280. [08:05:54] <_av500_> same as non xm
  281. [08:07:05] <bosshog> Sooo, 1024x768?
  282. [08:07:17] <_av500_> no
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  287. [08:26:25] <notzed> re all
  288. [08:26:43] <notzed> (hmm, hell of a long time since i've used that)
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  292. [08:35:22] <koen> notzed: wb
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  296. [08:41:23] <notzed> koen: howd u end up with the building process yesterday?
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  299. [08:49:47] <koen> notzed: build finished, xbmc segfaults if you don't have a cd drive attached
  300. [08:50:13] <koen> notzed: after fixing that the screen is black, except for some noise, topfs2 suspects shaders don't work on sgx
  301. [08:53:15] * Belna_ (~Thomas@ppp-88-217-98-26.dynamic.mnet-online.de) has joined #beagle
  302. [08:54:18] <nicobari> Im am building linux kernal for beagleboard but when I "make uImage" I get the error----arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-omap3beagle.c:185: error: field name not in record or union initializer
  303. [08:55:03] <nicobari> how can I remove the error and build the kernel
  304. [08:55:16] <neure> which kernel you are building?
  305. [08:55:23] <notzed> koen: well it's a start
  306. [08:55:43] <nicobari> linux-omap-2.6
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  308. [08:56:13] <koen> notzed: the problems are now GSoC related :)
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  310. [08:56:44] <XorA> koen: rename is GMBC :-D
  311. [08:56:56] <notzed> good, i was concerned the setup was dragging on a bit, but this isn't too bad considering tobias had exams
  312. [08:57:20] <neure> nicobari, i've only built one kernel for beagleboard.. i used http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Kernel_Modules
  313. [08:58:16] <nicobari> actually I wanted to enable UART2 on my expansion board on BB rev c4
  314. [08:58:26] <nicobari> so I followed the pin mux wiki page
  315. [08:58:36] <neure> i dont know about that
  316. [08:59:09] <nicobari> :(
  317. [08:59:20] <nicobari> should I post this question in google groups
  318. [08:59:21] <nicobari> ?
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  320. [09:02:11] <nicobari> Im am building linux kernal for beagleboard but when I "make uImage" I get the error----arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-omap3beagle.c:185: error: field name not in record or union initializer
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  323. [09:16:00] <jacekowski> just out of curiosity
  324. [09:16:08] <jacekowski> do you have proper crosscompiler installed?
  325. [09:16:35] <aholler_> he is gone, but it's because of bad config.
  326. [09:17:07] <jacekowski> koen: well, i read somewhere else that some people here have A rev boards
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  329. [09:37:48] <DaveDavenport> If I want to use the i2c port on the expantion header, do I need to change anything (mux) or is that 'active' by default
  330. [09:40:26] <koen> DaveDavenport: its active by default since u-boot tries to probe the eeprom connected to it
  331. [09:42:18] <DaveDavenport> aah
  332. [09:42:30] * DaveDavenport has somebody in the room cursing at it for 2 days now
  333. [09:42:34] <DaveDavenport> and getting tired off it :D
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  335. [09:43:47] <DaveDavenport> where is that eeprom used for?
  336. [09:46:05] <koen> DaveDavenport: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardPinMux#Expansion_boards
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  338. [09:49:04] <DaveDavenport> aah so no default on board.
  339. [09:49:06] * DaveDavenport got confused
  340. [09:50:20] <DaveDavenport> I give up, they can solve it themself
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  343. [10:03:28] <DaveDavenport> problem is, he only gets timeout on i2c-2 and see's no clock with scope.
  344. [10:34:42] <koen> argh, this new microsd card is sloooooow
  345. [10:34:49] <koen> only 7.5MB/s read speed
  346. [10:35:03] <koen> the one I bought last year does > 20MB/s
  347. [10:37:15] <koen> for people interested in using the DSP for multimedia: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/4665470939/
  348. [10:37:40] * ogra wonders if anyone in here noticed http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703561604575283540534879892.html?mod=googlenews_wsj and www.linaro.org today
  349. [10:38:23] <koen> you didn't know of linaro?
  350. [10:42:20] <ogra> koen, heh, i surely did since quite a while
  351. [10:42:38] <ogra> i was just wondering if anyone here noticed it
  352. [10:43:33] <jacekowski> well, they could join nokia and intel and work on meego
  353. [10:43:45] <jacekowski> instead of creating another distribution
  354. [10:43:51] <ogra> why ? they try to be distro agnostic
  355. [10:44:04] <ogra> they will provide a megoo build
  356. [10:44:22] <ogra> optimized for the respective HW
  357. [10:44:56] <ogra> the point is to integrate all existing technology and make it run best on the vendor HW of all partners
  358. [10:45:12] <ogra> its not a distro
  359. [10:46:37] * XorA didnt notice
  360. [10:46:41] <XorA> sack the PR dudes :-)
  361. [10:47:06] <ogra> there will surely also be android builds and probably even angstrom optimized for all SoCs
  362. [10:47:35] <aholler_> it reads as linaro will be something like a kernel with needed drivers and such.
  363. [10:48:02] * aholler_ is now known as aholler
  364. [10:48:37] <ogra> it will be kernels, a core system and different UI heads
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  366. [10:50:08] <ogra> its a joint venture of all HW vendors led by ARM to overcome the scattering of BSPs and have a common core (and having everyone upstream the patches in a proper way)
  367. [10:50:25] <mru> lol
  368. [10:51:13] <mru> to date _only_ TI have been cooperative whatsoever
  369. [10:51:17] <mru> I don't expect that to change
  370. [10:51:18] <ogra> yeah
  371. [10:51:34] <ogra> well, the vendors that joined linaro have committed to it
  372. [10:51:49] <ogra> so either they comply or they leave again
  373. [10:51:49] <mru> committed doesn't mean they'll actually do anything
  374. [10:51:52] <ogra> lets see :)
  375. [10:51:58] <mru> committed is just a word managers use
  376. [10:53:07] <aholler> maybe it's a thing vendors throw money at and linaro has to take care to give it away (after big deductions) to devs ;)
  377. [10:53:59] <ogra> its more, vendors demote inhouse devs to it as well
  378. [10:54:09] <ogra> but yes, essentially its also that
  379. [10:54:20] <mru> it's an excuse for the vendors not to talk to devs
  380. [10:54:30] <aholler> thats it
  381. [10:55:41] <ogra> as long as linaro takes over that part properly, why do you care ?
  382. [10:55:46] <mru> I just hope this won't be the end to the good relationships we've had with TI
  383. [10:55:54] <ogra> unlikely
  384. [10:57:12] <ogra> i'm pretty sure the linaro devs will use TI as the best example here for other vendors when working with them
  385. [10:57:43] <mru> TI management might dictate that all opensource interaction is to go through linaro
  386. [10:58:05] <mru> where it will be held hostage by various committees
  387. [10:59:18] <ogra> nah
  388. [10:59:38] <ogra> feel free to talk to the linaro guys in #linaro btw :)
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  391. [11:16:34] <eAndrius> yay, D"""
  392. [11:16:45] <eAndrius> I've just received the board; ]]
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  404. [11:40:59] <Gaston|Home> Is there a bot that logs this channel? If so anyone got a link to the logs?
  405. [11:42:36] <CHli> http://www.beagleboard.org/irclogs/
  406. [11:42:48] <Gaston|Home> :) thanks
  407. [11:42:53] <CHli> NP :)
  408. [11:44:32] <Gaston|Home> i just caught this scrolling yesterday: koen wonders what's up with the influx of swedes
  409. [11:45:28] <Gaston|Home> <-- Another Swede
  410. [11:46:25] <Gaston|Home> mru, niclas, topfs2 Tjena !
  411. [11:47:11] <mru> gomorron
  412. [11:47:18] <_koen_> oh dear
  413. [11:47:21] <CHli> hur m?r du ? :D
  414. [11:47:29] <likewise> gm
  415. [11:47:42] <_koen_> hey likewise
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  420. [12:02:16] <topfs2> tja
  421. [12:02:30] <topfs2> poor poor _koen_ :)
  422. [12:04:17] * _koen_ like knackebrod, so swedes don't bother me :)
  423. [12:04:23] <_koen_> and I can't spell today
  424. [12:04:33] <topfs2> hehe, kn?ckebr?d rocks
  425. [12:04:44] <topfs2> I just hope I'll be able to get it when I move to Canada
  426. [12:05:04] <_koen_> if not, blame canada
  427. [12:05:13] <topfs2> hehe :)
  428. [12:05:26] <topfs2> french canada is the best canada!
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  430. [12:06:21] <topfs2> oh how I miss south park :(
  431. [12:07:38] <_koen_> go to southpark.com, they should have every episode available
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  434. [12:08:24] <topfs2> last I checked they didn't allowed swedes :)
  435. [12:09:25] <topfs2> oh cool, they have made a swedish version now! awesome!
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  437. [12:17:45] <topi`> what's wrong with the swedes?:)
  438. [12:18:38] <topi`> my OMAP3530 on the Gumstix Overo gets abnormally hot immediately when I put in the +5V .. is this something abnormal? I know for *sure* that the damn chip gets nowhere as hot in normal usage.
  439. [12:19:08] <topi`> and the kernel crashes always in the same spot (after uploading firmware for the libertas 802.11g chip)
  440. [12:19:29] <topi`> I know, I know, I should have gotten a Beagle instead...
  441. [12:19:52] <topi`> *sigh*
  442. [12:20:30] <topi`> I just want to get my Overo running so I can test out the fs I cooked up for booting my remote Beagleboard server which is down.
  443. [12:21:31] <_koen_> jkridner, _roger_: http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=1039e5f1a17448a9c1a83cb922bb215453c057b6
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  446. [12:24:28] <jcoxon> hi all
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  450. [12:29:00] <Crofton> beagle/overo uses tps65950, right?
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  457. [12:48:15] <likewise> hi Crofton
  458. [12:48:19] <likewise> hi florian
  459. [12:48:48] <likewise> _koen_: got the cam working, although mostly by mixing existing efforts.
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  461. [12:50:00] <florian> hi likewise
  462. [12:50:17] <Crofton> gm
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  464. [12:52:12] <florian> hi Crofton
  465. [12:52:21] <Belna_> crofton: my rev c4 beagle uses tps65950
  466. [12:52:43] * Belna_ is now known as Belna
  467. [12:52:59] <Crofton> Belna, thanks
  468. [12:53:00] <Belna> older beagle boards use TWL4030
  469. [12:53:03] <Crofton> yeah
  470. [12:53:16] <Crofton> I knew that, just making sure I am looking at the proper data sheet
  471. [12:53:26] <Belna> i saw it in the schematic changelist
  472. [12:54:54] <florian> bbl
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  476. [13:02:29] <_koen_> likewise: good to hear! Can you share the diffs to the 'stock' kernel with TI?
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  478. [13:04:52] <likewise> _koen_: Eventually yes, I would like to test the driver on my own hardware, and get the code up to up-stream kernel code style level.
  479. [13:05:36] <_koen_> likewise: I don't care about style levels, I just want to see if the xM camera interface works :)
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  481. [13:07:50] <likewise> _koen_: http://www.gitorious.org/procerus-vpu-main-linux-kernel/procerus-vpu-main-linux-kernel/blobs/master/drivers/media/video/mt9p001.c and
  482. [13:07:50] <likewise> http://www.gitorious.org/procerus-vpu-main-linux-kernel/procerus-vpu-main-linux-kernel/blobs/master/arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-procerus3530-camera.c is the best starting point
  483. [13:08:16] <likewise> _koen_: that driver has been hacked to support mt9p031
  484. [13:09:01] <likewise> _koen_: there might be a bug in the isp/isp.c code in the TI stock kernel, I'm still working getting the diffs on that.
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  498. [13:47:58] <topfs2> shit, bootstrap and shit went like 10x quicker on my SD card
  499. [13:48:14] <topfs2> my USB flashdisk must really suck
  500. [13:48:29] <mru> or the usb drivers suck
  501. [13:49:07] <notzed> topfs2: oh usb flash? i have a usb hdd
  502. [13:50:48] <topfs2> Yeah was flash disk. but I was thinking of getting a real usb hdd instead
  503. [13:50:54] <cfriedt> topfs2: have you ever performed a read / write speed test on your usb flash device? hdparm -t (i think)... generally they will never perform (write) as fast as hdd.
  504. [13:50:56] <topfs2> Or just reuse one of the bigger 3.5 ones
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  506. [13:51:18] <topfs2> cfriedt, nah haven't, I just assumed it woudl be faster than my darn sd card :)
  507. [13:51:49] <koen> my SD card does about 25MB/s for reads
  508. [13:52:50] <koen> I could build xbmc on an 8gb sd card
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  510. [13:52:57] <cfriedt> reads are no problem, but doing compilation (i.e. lots of small writes) on flash is painful
  511. [13:53:39] <topfs2> hmm. I should probably get a 2.5" one then
  512. [13:54:45] <koen> cfriedt: mount / -o remount,relatime,asnc :)
  513. [13:54:54] <koen> +y
  514. [13:55:15] * mru uses noatime
  515. [13:55:15] <cfriedt> yea, i guess that would help with small writes
  516. [13:55:24] * mru also builds most things in tmpfs
  517. [13:55:55] * koen envies _rogers_'s new buildbox with 72GB of ram
  518. [13:55:56] <cfriedt> tmpfs is my best friend for doing quick compiles
  519. [13:56:08] <mru> 72??!
  520. [13:56:14] <koen> mru: yes
  521. [13:56:23] <mru> cpu?
  522. [13:56:40] <koen> 8x whatever dell puts in servers nowadays
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  528. [14:04:29] <cfriedt> is anyone having issues with g_ether in the latest from linus' tree?
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  532. [14:07:27] <cfriedt> it's probably just ubuntu being annoying
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  534. [14:08:04] <topfs2> cfriedt, ubuntu lucid?
  535. [14:08:10] <topfs2> or custom kernel?
  536. [14:08:27] <topfs2> because lucid needs g_ether.use_eem=0 as bootarg atleast
  537. [14:08:28] <cfriedt> ubuntu lucid on the workstation side, custom kernel on the bb
  538. [14:08:40] <cfriedt> oh really?
  539. [14:08:48] <topfs2> ah ok, then no clue. that bootarg is for bb on lucid on the bb
  540. [14:08:53] <topfs2> so probably not the problem you have :)
  541. [14:08:54] <cfriedt> wait a second...
  542. [14:08:57] <cfriedt> no
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  571. [14:59:13] <warflyr> anyone know what the flash memory maximum write cycles on the 256mb NAND flash? should i be carefull writing to this (logging to a sqlite db)
  572. [14:59:57] <mru> 100k
  573. [15:00:19] <warflyr> ah
  574. [15:00:27] <mru> the datasheets should be available from micron
  575. [15:00:46] <warflyr> yeah i just found out that its micron pop memory
  576. [15:01:36] <warflyr> ill try to keep most of this data on a ramdisk
  577. [15:01:38] <mru> http://www.micron.com/support/fbga.html
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  579. [15:07:16] <warflyr> nice found the datasheet
  580. [15:07:30] <warflyr> lol nvm spoke too soon
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  598. [15:53:24] <koen> _chase_: I acked all your patches, denix can apply them later in the day, or I'll take a look tomorrow
  599. [15:54:25] <ogra> koen, do you have the SGX source you use in angstrom somewhere public ?
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  602. [15:55:59] <koen> ogra: kernel modules or libs?
  603. [15:56:14] <ogra> i think both, asac what do you need ?
  604. [15:56:28] <koen> sources for the libs need NDA and some serious $$$$$
  605. [15:56:48] <ogra> hmm, k, i thought that changed
  606. [15:56:49] <koen> I just repackage the binary libs from the .bin and recompile the kernel modules
  607. [15:56:52] <asac> koen: where do i best get the binaries?
  608. [15:57:04] <asac> ah its the .bin they distribute ... kk
  609. [15:57:12] <koen> in angstrom you can do 'opkg install libgles-omap3'
  610. [15:57:22] <denix> koen: I'm not clear with the alsa-state patches...
  611. [15:57:44] <asac> koen: have you experience if building stuff against mesa gles just works when dropping in those drivers?
  612. [15:57:45] <koen> ogra: we're working on having the .bin downloadable with wget instead of with self-certification
  613. [15:57:55] <ogra> yeah, sounds saner
  614. [15:58:05] <koen> asac: never tried that and I suspect it won't work
  615. [15:58:24] <asac> koen: what makes you suspect that?
  616. [15:58:36] <asac> feels like a pain for binar distros if that doesnt work
  617. [15:58:38] <asac> binary
  618. [15:58:48] <koen> ogra: the current situation is awkward from a GPL compliance POV, since the GPL sources are squished together with the binaries inside that .bin
  619. [15:59:04] <koen> asac: using IMGtec libs is a world of pain
  620. [15:59:35] <asac> koen: so they dont shipp all the symbols? hmm. pain
  621. [15:59:37] <ogra> koen, yeah, luckily thats not my personal headdache :) its asac's
  622. [15:59:48] <koen> denix: it needs a PR bump somewhere for alsa-state, but I have no objections to the state files themselves
  623. [16:00:10] <ogra> asac, probably ask StevenK how he did it for the psb intel driver in ubuntu
  624. [16:00:20] <asac> ogra: that was gl i guess
  625. [16:00:27] <ogra> crap, indeed
  626. [16:00:47] <koen> asac: everything was designed for qvga mobile phones running fullscreen apps, mostly statically linked on the raw framebuffer
  627. [16:00:48] <asac> i am not thinking about distributing it atm ... just about how to build the packaging so you can drop in the driver if you get it somewhere
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  629. [16:01:14] <ogra> asac, well, i'd like to distribute it in ubuntu if any possible
  630. [16:01:29] <koen> IMGtec did say that they were going to unveil a dri2/kms/glx solution next month
  631. [16:01:42] <koen> if they can keep that promiss I would be very happy
  632. [16:01:44] <asac> ogra: first it needs to work at all ... then it can be distributed ;)
  633. [16:02:04] <ogra> koen, yeah they sent someone to the nice meeting we had
  634. [16:02:20] <ogra> koen, its actually sounded very good
  635. [16:02:30] <ogra> s/nice/Nice/
  636. [16:02:34] <ogra> :)
  637. [16:03:06] <koen> most stuff from IMGtec sounds very good, but there are sadly multiple layers between the good stuff and when I get my hands on it
  638. [16:03:29] <ogra> well, lets see if we can improve it ...
  639. [16:03:38] <koen> a while back I added the IMGtec sources and all TI mods into git to see what changed
  640. [16:03:39] <ogra> its all a matter of a long lever :)
  641. [16:04:07] <koen> turns out department A adds 10 things and department B reverts 9 of them before handing it to department C
  642. [16:04:27] <ogra> and then they send it to legal for review ;)
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  644. [16:04:31] <_chase_> koen: thanks
  645. [16:05:16] <drinkcat> I'm having a problem with MUSB on 2.6.35-rc1: I want to use it in peripheral mode only (i.e., not OTG), so I set "CONFIG_USB_GADGET_MUSB_HDRC=y", but module loading fails ("incompatible Kconfig role setting"), because plat->mode in musb_init_controller (drivers/usb/musb/musb_core.c) is set to "MUSB_OTG". Any idea how to change the platform data? (kernel parameter?)
  646. [16:05:37] <koen> ogra: get spaceboy to cough up the $$$$ for the imgtec sources, it would save you a lot of headaches
  647. [16:05:48] <ogra> haha
  648. [16:06:21] <_chase_> koen: OK. I didn't realize that adding the state files would require a PR bump but I guess it would so that the package would rebuild using the new files rather than the defaults.
  649. [16:06:22] <ogra> well, he would rather push them to make it opensource but i guess intel would block here
  650. [16:06:23] <koen> in .nl you can build a decent house for that amount of $$$$
  651. [16:06:29] <ogra> lol
  652. [16:06:52] <ogra> (as well as apple)
  653. [16:07:05] <koen> _chase_: if anything needs to change in resulting packages (not recipes), a PR bump is needed
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  655. [16:07:55] <koen> ogra: I suspect making it opensource would cost a few million bucks
  656. [16:08:11] <ogra> i personally would already be happy with a proper nvidia/fglrx situation that doesnt get you into legal issues
  657. [16:08:23] <koen> ogra: changelog and bugreports are under a *tight* NDA because a clever person might deduce the architecture from it
  658. [16:08:26] <ogra> and at least makes it redistributable
  659. [16:08:39] <ogra> thats insane
  660. [16:08:44] <_chase_> koen: Good point. I thought I was adding something new and forgot that there could have been a build with the defaults for those platforms. I'll submit a patch to bump the PR.
  661. [16:09:03] <koen> ogra: that should give you an idea on the effort needed to make things opensource
  662. [16:09:40] <denix> _chase_, koen: so, where those files come from?
  663. [16:09:48] <ogra> well, i have a rough idea of that
  664. [16:09:54] <_chase_> denix: Arago
  665. [16:10:14] <_chase_> koen: Should I resubmit the whole set or just the PR bump patch.
  666. [16:10:15] <denix> are they new? why are they showing copy/changes from other state files?
  667. [16:10:50] <denix> dm355 is copied from tosa?
  668. [16:11:52] <_chase_> denix: oh. I used --find-copies-harder when making the patches this time. That is my bad. I'll resubmit the whole set.
  669. [16:12:13] <denix> ah, I see :)
  670. [16:12:43] <koen> denix: it's a feature of git :)
  671. [16:12:51] <_chase_> I originally didn't use that when I checked the patches but I added it back when generating the final set...I thought that was what I was supposed to use. I then did a bad thing of not checking the new patches since I hadn't changed the sources.
  672. [16:13:00] <koen> denix: it made me look 3 times before acking them
  673. [16:13:06] <denix> koen: yeah, I got it now. I was expecting to see those files as new
  674. [16:13:40] <koen> there's a patch to add svideo support to the sgx drivers that has a similar brainfuck
  675. [16:13:52] <koen> it's a copy of a .c file with one 3 line method added
  676. [16:13:54] <_chase_> koen, denix: So should I make a new set then? I'm ready to do so.
  677. [16:14:22] <koen> I would be fine with just a PR bump patch, but I'm laz^H^H^^Hefficient
  678. [16:14:34] <denix> ok, so dm355 is copied from tosa, and then other dmXXXX are copied from dm355... the second part is fine, but we rather should have a fresh new file for at least the first dm355
  679. [16:15:00] <_chase_> I'll make a new set. I'll have them in a minute.
  680. [16:15:55] <denix> _chase_: while you're at it, make attribution to arago... :) just 2 words "from arago" should be fine :)
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  682. [16:16:14] <denix> I guess I'm just too cranky today... :)
  683. [16:16:34] <_chase_> denix: sorry, you mean in the title?
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  686. [16:17:17] <denix> doesn't really matter where - I originally thought you made a new set of state files...
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  689. [16:21:47] <_chase_> OK. done. Sent a new set with PATCHv2 in the header
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  691. [16:27:54] <koen> _chase_: for bonus points you can create a patchwork login and mark the v1 as superseded+applied at http://patchwork.openembedded.org/project/openembedded/list/ :)
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  694. [16:29:52] <denix> _chase_: look good, thanks!
  695. [16:30:25] <denix> koen: your acks from the first set still apply? :)
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  697. [16:30:58] <_chase_> koen: I only see the first three patches at patchwork.
  698. [16:31:05] <koen> denix: yes
  699. [16:31:53] <koen> _chase_: I guess number 4 got spamfiltered by gmail
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  702. [16:32:20] <_chase_> koen: Where are the new set though?
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  704. [16:33:25] <_chase_> oh, I see them now.
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  712. [16:58:33] <mic> hello
  713. [16:59:05] <i_tarzan_> h
  714. [16:59:09] <mic> anyone home?
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  716. [16:59:59] <XorA> yes
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  719. [17:12:49] <robtow> no
  720. [17:13:07] <robtow> <-is at work
  721. [17:13:49] <ogra> yes and no
  722. [17:13:55] <ogra> <- works from home :P
  723. [17:13:57] * koen works from home currently
  724. [17:14:09] <robtow> ogra - in a quantum superimposition state?
  725. [17:14:21] <koen> ogra: have you decided on linuxtag attendance already?
  726. [17:14:35] <ogra> koen, i'll at least attend fir and sat
  727. [17:14:36] <koen> mru: no updates on getting you C3s, sorry
  728. [17:14:37] <ogra> *fri
  729. [17:14:56] <koen> ogra: ah, too bad, I leave friday morning
  730. [17:15:10] <ogra> hmm, then i might come thu :)
  731. [17:15:18] <ogra> i'd actually like to meet you
  732. [17:15:30] <mru> koen: any C will do
  733. [17:15:46] <XorA> koen: train ogra in the true ways of arm :-)
  734. [17:15:55] <koen> :)
  735. [17:16:17] <mru> I have a C1D I could use, but I need one more
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  737. [17:17:19] <robtow> Are the devotees of Beagle vs Overo "arm wrestling"?
  738. [17:17:26] <koen> heh
  739. [17:17:38] <ogra> grin
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  743. [17:28:49] <likewise> mru: you need C rev how many and for what?
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  745. [17:29:01] <likewise> mru: and by when...?
  746. [17:29:38] <mru> for the video wall
  747. [17:29:42] <mru> by wednesday
  748. [17:29:50] <mru> tuesday better
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  751. [17:32:45] <eAndrius> is there any way to play a test sound via uboot? (without kernel loaded)
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  753. [17:36:33] <_av500_> eAndrius: no
  754. [17:38:51] <_av500_> http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/6/2/472
  755. [17:38:55] <_av500_> unrelated
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  757. [17:41:53] <mru> I can understand his frustration
  758. [17:42:08] <mru> but at the same time he should be thankful people are trying to get stuff upstream
  759. [17:42:16] <mru> unlike certain vendors...
  760. [17:46:02] <koen> "TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND lines of arch/arm is just pure garbage"
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  765. [18:09:43] <jacekowski> hmm, unless i'm doing something wrong my tv has problem with beagle dvi output
  766. [18:09:56] <jacekowski> have*
  767. [18:10:25] <jacekowski> but i'm either getting hdmi unavaliable or hdmi out of range
  768. [18:10:36] <jacekowski> depending on settings
  769. [18:11:44] <_av500_> what res?
  770. [18:12:44] <_av500_> tvs tendto not likenon hdmi resolutions and timings
  771. [18:13:06] * mru curses
  772. [18:13:46] <koen> setenv dvimode=hd720 in your boot.scr
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  783. [18:19:45] <jacekowski> av500: 1280x720
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  789. [18:27:52] <djlewis_> hi guys
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  794. [18:33:53] <djlewis_> old news now, but in defense of jacekowski the BBSRM schematic of power connector still shows +5 going to gnd rather than the sleeve. page 44. pge 162 shows sleeve as +5.
  795. [18:34:09] <djlewis_> But we all know that the sleeve is gnd and tip is +5 :)
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  802. [18:45:43] <djlewis_> As a matter of fact, one has to pay attention to an obscure little paragrapy 8.22 on page 48 to get the
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  804. [18:45:48] <djlewis_> DC plug right.
  805. [18:45:59] <djlewis_> paragraph.. :)
  806. [19:07:25] <djlewis_> I feel so all alone :(
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  808. [19:14:19] <mru> djlewis_: not enough trolling today, eh?
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  810. [19:15:11] <djlewis_> hi mru :)
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  817. [19:35:54] <koen> ooooh, new drama in the suspend blockers soap
  818. [19:36:39] * koen looks for popcorn
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  822. [19:45:59] <ds2> heh
  823. [19:46:14] <ds2> I like that response
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  827. [19:53:03] <ds2> arrrgggg @#$@$#$!@$!@#!@ android
  828. [19:54:31] <mru> did it bite you?
  829. [19:54:44] <djlewis_> did it step on your foot?
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  831. [19:55:03] <ds2> yes and yes :P
  832. [19:55:10] <Jefro> it's android. by definition it shoots you in the foot.
  833. [19:55:24] <ds2> but then I am also thinking of hammering it down into a box
  834. [19:55:33] <mru> your foot?
  835. [19:55:37] <ds2> :P
  836. [19:55:49] <ds2> and why I am at it....
  837. [19:55:54] <ds2> arrggg @Q#$#@@%#$#@$ toolchains
  838. [19:56:07] <ds2> not having a good day
  839. [19:56:17] <mru> are you sure it's not SDKs you're cursing at?
  840. [19:56:22] <mru> toolchains per se are ok
  841. [19:56:48] <ds2> mru: things are breaking with CS but working with the GNU version
  842. [19:56:59] <kerute> hello, is there any tutorial/howto/boards quite cheap (<100$) i could find to connect an lvds display on my beagleboard ?
  843. [19:57:07] * marcheu (~marcheu@annarchy.freedesktop.org) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
  844. [19:57:14] <ds2> no.
  845. [19:57:24] <drinkcat> koen: is there any known problem with the MUSB driver in the latest vanilla kernel (2.6.35-rc1)? g_ether works for a few seconds at most...
  846. [19:57:30] <ds2> goto school, become a EE, read the datasheet and do it yourself.
  847. [19:57:48] <ds2> ph00d time
  848. [19:58:22] <mru> drinkcat: how vanilla?
  849. [19:58:37] <mru> you should be using the linux-omap tree and apply some patches
  850. [19:58:54] <Jefro> kerute : ds2 is having a bad day :) what video interface does your display have? there are boards that can convert to vga.
  851. [19:59:18] <drinkcat> mru: okay, I'll use linux-omap then. Any ideas which patches are needed on top of that?
  852. [19:59:20] <kerute> for now i just have laptops panels
  853. [19:59:38] <Jefro> kerute : here's a VGA description http://www.linusakesson.net/hardware/beagleboard/vga.php
  854. [19:59:38] <kerute> im ok to buy an lcd panel too its just i cant find what
  855. [20:00:01] <kerute> i just know its lvds but i dont know what it implies
  856. [20:00:05] <Jefro> most (all) of the pluggable LCD panels I have seen are >$100
  857. [20:00:48] <Jefro> can't help with LVDS, sorry - no experience there
  858. [20:00:54] <djlewis_> there have been several here add LCD display.
  859. [20:01:04] <djlewis_> including ds2 ;)
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  862. [20:01:59] <kerute> any reference or name ("lcd panel" doesnt give me correct results ... ) i should search
  863. [20:02:01] <kerute> ?
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  865. [20:02:35] <Jefro> try "beagleboard lvds display"
  866. [20:02:45] <Jefro> here's a discussion: http://markmail.org/message/2f5426kuqy724rp2
  867. [20:03:24] <Jefro> biggest issue will be a driver, I think
  868. [20:04:05] <djlewis_> TinCanTools is working on a board for 800x600 last I heard
  869. [20:04:15] <drinkcat> mru: any idea which branch? master? omap-testing?
  870. [20:05:34] <mru> master iirc
  871. [20:05:47] <mru> and don't forget the patches
  872. [20:06:17] <mru> you can get (most of) them from OE
  873. [20:06:20] <kerute> i seen the SN75LVDS83B but i think it involves more than connecting some wires to it
  874. [20:06:27] <mru> but any good kernel needs at least one self-made patch
  875. [20:08:00] <warflyr> drinkcat i think it was 2.6.33 but ive had g_ether running reliably now for over a week
  876. [20:11:01] <drinkcat> yeah I was using 2.6.32 from angstrom-linux/beagleboardXM, works fine, but if I want my work to be pushed in the mainline kernel at some point, I guess I need to target something more recent...
  877. [20:13:08] * wroberts1 (~klogd@qbang.org) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  878. [20:14:15] <mru> target whatever works for now
  879. [20:14:21] <mru> .32 is recent enough
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  881. [20:14:47] <mru> updating to .34 when that stabilises shouldn't be hard
  882. [20:16:44] <drinkcat> well some functions I use got renamed somewhere between .32 and .35-rc1 (but nothing that looks to serious)...
  883. [20:17:03] <drinkcat> but ok then, I'll stick with .32 for now, probably easier...
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  908. [21:44:33] <kerute> sorry to come back with my questions, if i get a SN75LVDS83B to connect to an lvds display
  909. [21:44:49] <kerute> will i also need a SN75LVDS82 ?
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  913. [21:56:31] <DValle> anyone tried those pico projectors? they look sweeet
  914. [21:57:10] <synack-> they're not very bright and are really only useful at short distances... if you can live with those limitations, they're great
  915. [21:57:10] <mru> the cake is a lie
  916. [21:57:35] <djlewis_> I the video wall is even better :)
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  918. [21:57:52] <DValle> ahh that's what I would expect, but at night or something it could be a sweet little mobile video unit
  919. [21:58:02] <synack-> yup
  920. [21:58:12] <mru> low resolution and lack of brightness make them mostly useless
  921. [21:58:22] <DValle> well they've got decent resolution
  922. [21:58:31] <mru> half vga last I checked
  923. [21:58:36] <mru> that's not really useful
  924. [21:58:41] <synack-> depends on what you're planning to use it for
  925. [21:58:51] <DValle> sec let me look
  926. [21:58:54] <mru> sure, as paperweights they do nicely
  927. [21:59:41] <DValle> mmmm
  928. [21:59:44] <DValle> there is one that does 720p
  929. [22:00:04] <DValle> http://www.picodv.com/OM
  930. [22:00:13] <DValle> err just .com
  931. [22:00:42] <DValle> hahaha their ad says project 65"!!!
  932. [22:00:51] <DValle> good luck at 65"
  933. [22:01:07] <synack-> there was a company at CES a couple years ago showing off a laser-based pico projector with a really small footprint... no idea what happened to them
  934. [22:01:09] <DValle> better be black hole dark
  935. [22:01:26] <mru> DValle: does it actually _project_ 720p?
  936. [22:01:33] <mru> or merely accept it at the input?
  937. [22:02:02] <DValle> valid question
  938. [22:02:14] <synack-> these guys: http://www.microvision.com/
  939. [22:02:18] <ds2> the pico projectors are nice
  940. [22:03:01] <mru> cute and harmless
  941. [22:03:04] * emeb waits for the "but"
  942. [22:03:04] <synack-> only $4900: http://www.microvision.com/pico_projector_displays/pek.html
  943. [22:03:06] <mru> wouldn't say nice
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  945. [22:03:41] <ds2> depends on your application
  946. [22:03:56] <djlewis_> read a article of a guy using one for a wearable.
  947. [22:04:08] <djlewis_> stop shine on wall and use conputer
  948. [22:04:17] <djlewis_> better be a dark area :)
  949. [22:04:34] <DValle> Palm-sized, rechargeable & lightweight projector / microSD slot / LED light source / 1280x800 resolution / 2000:1 contrast ratio / Up to 120" image size
  950. [22:04:40] <DValle> http://www.jr.com/optoma/pe/OTM_PK301/
  951. [22:04:51] <DValle> that is the one
  952. [22:04:54] <djlewis_> sounds power hungry
  953. [22:05:23] <likewise> synack-: you saw that laser projector in actual working order?
  954. [22:05:24] <DValle> native 854x480
  955. [22:05:30] <synack-> likewise: yeah, a prototype
  956. [22:05:44] <mru> that contrast figure is meaningless
  957. [22:05:47] <likewise> synack-: what was it like?
  958. [22:05:52] <mru> at 50 lumen it's utterly useless
  959. [22:06:00] <DValle> how do the lasers compare?
  960. [22:06:07] <mru> it'll only be visible in pitch black surroundings
  961. [22:06:19] <likewise> mru: it = laser projector?
  962. [22:06:28] <mru> it = the link above
  963. [22:06:33] <likewise> jr.com, ok
  964. [22:06:33] <synack-> likewise: it looked better than the rest of the first generation pico projectors I saw that year... no idea how it compares to the more recent stuff
  965. [22:06:44] <synack-> brighter colors, better contrast
  966. [22:06:54] <mru> 5000 lumen is bare minimum for a projector
  967. [22:06:58] <mru> decent ones are 20k
  968. [22:07:09] <likewise> synack-: and compared to an off-the-shelf projector, say using DLP?
  969. [22:07:27] <synack-> off-the-shelf projector is still better, but much bigger and needs more power
  970. [22:07:42] <DValle> http://www.jr.com/3m/pe/_3M_MPRO120/ for $250
  971. [22:08:28] <mru> you might as well just get a cheap 5" LCD
  972. [22:10:53] * djlewis_ has two transparent lcd projector panels. make you a good deal.
  973. [22:10:59] <djlewis_> you just need a flashlght
  974. [22:11:15] <djlewis_> one b&w, one color
  975. [22:11:42] <mru> my flashlight is only white...
  976. [22:11:51] <djlewis_> white is all you need
  977. [22:11:52] <mru> you have one that shines black?
  978. [22:12:06] <mru> oh, and everybody knows the proper word is TORCH
  979. [22:12:14] <djlewis_> hehee
  980. [22:12:21] <djlewis_> you barbarian
  981. [22:12:52] <mru> swedes are barbarians now?
  982. [22:12:58] <djlewis_> we ;)
  983. [22:13:24] <djlewis_> just thinking bout a bunch of vikings with their torches chasing enemies..
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  985. [22:13:49] <djlewis_> of course they have their swords and other goodies too.
  986. [22:14:19] <djlewis_> here in the US we graduated straight to lantern. bypassed the torch ;)
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  988. [22:15:30] <djlewis_> yep, that word has been around a long time.
  989. [22:16:05] <djlewis_> never hear it used for flashlights here though.
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  1021. [23:52:06] <olivia_> Hello. I wonder if anyone has been connecting a HD webcam to the board and streaming at least 720p H264 video from it?

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