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IRC Log for 2010-06-08

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[00:15:00] <ds2> Hmmm
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[01:58:42] <cecil_lincher> am!
[01:59:40] <cecil_lincher> woops wrong window ;) sorry guys
[01:59:49] <ds2> pm!
[02:00:03] <cecil_lincher> ;p
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[04:05:24] * ds2 wonders why mru isn't up and responding to the mere mention of NEON intristics ;)
[04:06:11] <sakoman> hi ds2!
[04:09:41] <_av500_> ds2: gm
[04:10:03] <_av500_> sakoman: gm
[04:10:49] <_av500_> ds2: he should at least have a script that cries "intrisics suck"...
[04:11:12] <sakoman> av500: gm
[04:11:42] <ds2> hey sakoman
[04:11:56] <ds2> _av500_: heh
[04:12:11] <ds2> sakoman: btw, 36 is such a boring road
[04:14:25] <sakoman> ds2: where were you going on 36?
[04:15:00] <ds2> sakoman: I camped out near Susanville for the night and then cut across 36 to I5 to get home
[04:15:09] <ds2> was hoping for a scenic drive
[04:15:39] <sakoman> yeah, it isn't very scenic
[04:16:38] <ds2> it is a better drive then 299 though
[04:16:49] <sakoman> as the crow flies you were about 20 miles from me
[04:17:00] <sakoman> driving it would be another matter :-)
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[04:17:50] <sakoman> 89 is the scenic route, but isn't open yet
[04:17:50] <ds2> you are closer to 36 then the 4x branch?
[04:18:03] <sakoman> I'm on 44
[04:18:16] <ds2> yeah, I noticed... does 89 incur a "toll" like driving Tioga pass?
[04:18:28] <sakoman> just a time toll :-)
[04:18:49] <sakoman> actually a park entrance toll too
[04:19:01] <sakoman> we have a pass, so I forgot that
[04:19:06] <ds2> oh it is just like Tioga
[04:19:39] <ds2> as in pass for residence or you just got the annual thing?
[04:19:46] <sakoman> we get the annual thing
[04:20:23] <ds2> is the 89 entrance the one with the giant boulder that was hot for many years back in the 1900's?
[04:20:39] <sakoman> probably
[04:21:09] <sakoman> the 2 main entrances are both 89 :-)
[04:21:14] <ds2> Oh DOH
[04:22:03] <ds2> been to that park 2 times and I can't remember what's what... went with someone that lived in that area
[04:22:54] <ds2> somewhere around there is a PGE reservoir that allows fishing and crawdad trapping, IIRC
[04:24:56] <sakoman> ds2: they are still struggling to clear 89 -- keeps snowing! http://www.redding.com/photos/2010/may/03/40629/
[04:26:17] <ds2> WOW... more impressive then the pitiful grey patches up near Cederville
[04:27:24] <sakoman> here's one from the past week at the spot where 89 closed: http://www.redding.com/photos/2010/jun/01/41591/
[04:29:12] <ds2> that's quite a bit for June
[04:29:31] <sakoman> yeah, the road is usually open by now
[04:30:14] <ds2> OTH, that seems clear enough to allow traffic through... downtown chicago has had more snow on the roads then that
[04:30:49] <sakoman> heh, it gets very deep very quickly after that point!
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[04:31:04] <emeb> that snow looks pretty nice about now - got to 110 here in Phx...
[04:31:14] <ds2> big, wide tires and 4x4
[04:31:31] <ds2> of course chicago doesn't have the potential drop offs on the side :)
[04:31:35] <sakoman> after a few miles it is more like the first photo
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[04:32:10] <sakoman> I seem to recall that there is still 20 feet of snow on the road at the summit trailhead
[04:32:59] <ds2> I'd think that'd a good thing...by the time you are down there, you'd feel like rolling down anyways ;)
[04:33:01] <sakoman> emeb: I'm about 25 miles from the park and it was 94 here today!
[04:33:14] <sakoman> just a big elevation change :-)
[04:33:40] <emeb> sakoman: warm everywhere I suppose.
[04:33:47] <ds2> emeb: I recommend jogging around the summit
[04:33:54] <ds2> in any weather ;)
[04:34:04] <emeb> lassen summit?
[04:34:09] <ds2> sure
[04:34:26] <emeb> Don't know if I've ever been there...
[04:34:31] <sakoman> when it is 100F here it is nice to drive up to the snow
[04:34:50] <ds2> jogging at 9000+ ft gets interesting ;)
[04:35:00] <ds2> or prehaps just doing jumping jacks
[04:35:03] <emeb> been up/down I5 between LA/Seattle many, many times, but don't get off the track in NorCal often
[04:36:01] <emeb> ds2: ever been up Mt. Humphreys here in AZ?
[04:36:07] <ds2> I5 is boring...
[04:36:10] <emeb> 12600' I believe
[04:36:12] <ds2> emeb: no, where is it?
[04:36:20] <emeb> Just outside of Flagstaff
[04:36:23] <ds2> if I have time, I rather drive 395
[04:36:32] <emeb> 395 is nice
[04:36:40] <ds2> ah,I only been through flat staff once on the way to mesa verde
[04:36:44] <ds2> flagstaff
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[04:37:28] <emeb> Not much there in general, but Mt Humphreys / San Francisco peaks are nice. Highest pt in AZ
[04:37:38] <ds2> emeb: what elevation does one start the climb for Mt Humphreys?
[04:38:11] <emeb> In summer you can park at the Snow Bowl ski lodge and start out at ~9500'
[04:38:57] <emeb> so, only 3100' delta. Altitude is good for the lungs tho.
[04:39:24] <ds2> I prefer to try to climb the peaks in CONUS that are 10000ft+ and is driveable ;)
[04:39:38] <emeb> :)
[04:39:50] <ds2> need time to do a few in CO
[04:40:04] <emeb> That's pretty much where you have to go for that.
[04:40:19] <ds2> there is one of them in CA
[04:40:30] <emeb> which?
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[04:40:46] <ds2> the White Mtns of 395...where the Bristle Cone FS is
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[04:41:11] <emeb> What's nearest town on 395 to that?
[04:41:15] <ds2> s/of/off/
[04:41:18] <ds2> Lone Pine
[04:41:45] <emeb> Only thing I dislike about 395 is every little town makes you slow down to 25MPH
[04:42:08] <ds2> *nod* but the towns are small
[04:42:32] <ds2> you probally average faster on 395 then on 60/Grand Ave
[04:42:40] <emeb> :)
[04:42:49] <emeb> Grand Ave is a pain.
[04:42:51] <sakoman> ds2: at 10,462 feet Mt Lassen qualifies too, right?
[04:42:53] <ds2> and yes, I have done 60
[04:43:07] <emeb> sakoman: can you drive to the top?
[04:43:16] <ds2> sakoman: no, I can't drive up that trail... the white mtns is driveable to 10000ft+
[04:43:42] <sakoman> ds2: that's cheating!
[04:44:21] <ds2> that's the point... that's why I exclude whitney/shasta/lassen/etc
[04:44:50] <emeb> I hear they're really clamping down on hikers in CA parks.
[04:44:53] <sakoman> emed: you can drive to about 8500 feet -- you have to walk the rest of the way :-)
[04:45:01] <ds2> yes, I been there
[04:45:21] <ds2> it was also near there that I went on a 10mile hike w/o realizing it
[04:45:47] <sakoman> it was that much fun you lost track of distance? :-)
[04:45:57] <emeb> handing out bags of kitty litter to folks hiking shasta / whitney - "you know what to do with it.."
[04:46:12] <ds2> :)
[04:46:53] <emeb> Buddy of mine hiked Whitney a while back & said that they had removed the pit toilets...
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[04:46:59] <ds2> we were camped out near one of the entrances... I started on the trail then that went into a meadow where I lost the trail and I wind up picking up another trail through the bubbling pool thingie which exitted about 10 miles away
[04:47:22] <ds2> emeb: didn't think the pit toilets would work well at that altitude
[04:47:33] <ds2> too much crap, too many little guys to digest it
[04:47:50] <emeb> kinda builds up I guess...
[04:48:04] <ds2> not too many
[04:49:33] <emeb> Google streeview of 36 near Lk Almanor looks nice.
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[04:49:58] <emeb> kinda straight tho...
[04:51:16] <ds2> for fun, drive the priest grade
[04:51:31] <ds2> west bound, w/o brakes }:-)
[04:51:59] <emeb> outta my wayyyyyyy....
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[05:15:48] <ada> test
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[06:45:27] <ddd_> Anybody can help me for working on DSPbridge? thanks
[06:46:27] <ddd_> "NODE: DSPNode_Allocate: Failed to get Node UUID properties" after "./cexec.out baseimage.dof "
[06:49:13] <hgs> hi all, which color space is preferred for the display handle created fb driver for video playback (h.264 encoded video source) in omap?
[06:49:42] <hgs> ColorSpace_RGB565 or ColorSpace_UYVY?? or it doesnt make any difference
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[07:52:21] <akumar> hi
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[08:21:24] <akumar> I am using angstrom with uImage v2.6.32.
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[08:23:19] <akumar> when i am firing the command gst-inspect-0.10 (gstreamer) the it is not showing any gst element and it shown:
[08:23:33] <akumar> gst-inspect-0.10: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0: undefined symbol: g_malloc0_n
[08:23:44] <akumar> please any one gelp me.
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[09:34:36] <hgs> akumar: you hav to do export of the libraries before issuing the command
[09:36:33] <hgs> here are the list of path export than needs to called before issuing the gst inspect command http://pastebin.com/XjHTQHFw
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[11:07:23] <rodders> hey peeps, just wanting to know it there is an updated 'known problems' list?
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[12:03:45] <andoma> i'm trying to order a beagleboard xm from digi-key, but it says I cannot place order due to export restrictions (i live in europe).. is that just the way it is then?
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[12:25:14] <adj> andoma: sweden? There should be no problems getting a beagle from digi-key to sweden but more often than occasionally they just play idiots
[12:25:45] <eFfeM_work> they just want to keep them to themselves :-(
[12:26:02] <adj> yeah, propably
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[12:29:09] <andoma> adj: hm.. ok .. i don't even enter my location, i guess they track me via GeoIP or something .. perhaps it has screwed up for some reason (also, i'm on mobile internet)
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[12:29:37] <av500> andoma: note that there is digikey.XY and they might behave differently
[12:30:03] <andoma> av500: ah, thanks :)
[12:30:14] <adj> uhh.. I was able to add rev C4 to the shopping cart (to finland) but for xm I also get "Due to U.S. export controls, we are unable to add this item to your order."
[12:30:23] <av500> ah
[12:31:03] <av500> adj: same from .de
[12:31:24] <av500> I guess dk is missing an written statement from bb...
[12:31:25] <adj> so it seems that xm is no-go for europe :)
[12:31:44] <dm8tbr> XM stands for X-ray-missile I'm sure!
[12:32:06] <av500> no, eXcludind Middleearth
[12:32:07] <rcn-ee> the same thing happened with the original beagle, probally take a day or two to get the export stuff straightened out (again)..
[12:32:15] <av500> yeah
[12:32:18] <av500> jkridner: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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[12:35:54] <andoma> ok, thanks a lot guys
[12:36:04] <av500> np
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[12:39:27] <Newuser> hhhhhh
[12:39:49] <av500> iiiiii
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[12:40:11] <bgamari> I have a analog/digital converter board running off of a BeagleBoard
[12:40:14] <bgamari> A little bird told me I should probably be worried about ground loops and noise from the computer
[12:40:17] <bgamari> How could I decouple the beagleboard's ground from my converters
[12:40:31] <av500> is there noise?
[12:41:19] <bgamari> Not yet, but the board hasn't been built yet ;)
[12:41:40] <bgamari> I'm trying to get 1 LSb out of 16 bit converters though
[12:41:53] <bgamari> so I really am trying to cut down wherever I can
[12:42:05] <bgamari> and this does seem like a fairly likely source
[12:42:26] <bgamari> Someone suggested using a separate power supply for the board
[12:42:28] <DaveDavenport> the 16bit converter does 96dB SNR? and THD?
[12:42:51] <av500> bgamari: how else would you power it?
[12:42:54] <bgamari> then isolating the signals through opamps to subtract out the difference between the two grounds
[12:43:04] <bgamari> linear regulator and power brick?
[12:43:07] <bgamari> DC-DC converter?
[12:43:37] <Newuser> has anybody seen schematics on beagleboard XM ?
[12:43:48] <av500> no
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[12:59:54] <av500> Newuser: "No. Not untill they are offcially released. We are still testing the -xM boards. They are not fully tested at this point in time."
[13:03:18] <Newuser> can you please give an estimate of when schematics will be released ?
[13:03:50] <av500> I just pasted the officiall reply....
[13:05:26] <XorA> 300 days :-D
[13:05:37] <XorA> fear my estimation skillz
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[13:09:21] <Newuser> Ok, got the point... Is there any change on power management IC ? Is the PMIC USB transceiver used for USB hub / ethernet ?
[13:11:30] <cfriedt> koen: what were those mount options for reducing write latency, e.g. when root is on a flash?
[13:11:48] <av500> noatime
[13:12:15] <cfriedt> hmm... have that... there was something else I think that apparantely makes a very big difference
[13:12:19] <av500> hmm
[13:13:06] <cfriedt> i guess async, but that should be a default, no?
[13:13:10] <Entasis> write latency?
[13:13:26] <cfriedt> well yea... reading is snappy, it's writing that takes ages.
[13:13:27] <jacekowski> cfriedt: depends on fs
[13:13:30] <cfriedt> ext3
[13:13:40] <jacekowski> cfriedt: 1st, journaling
[13:13:52] <cfriedt> actually, the flash device is an sd card, so not direct nand
[13:14:15] <jacekowski> data=writeback
[13:14:22] <jacekowski> that will make it a lot faster
[13:14:29] <jacekowski> but it might cause data loss
[13:14:54] <jacekowski> in case of power loss
[13:15:12] <jacekowski> then, safer option
[13:15:17] <jacekowski> commit=60
[13:15:20] <jacekowski> default is 5
[13:15:41] <jacekowski> and then play around with settings in /proc/sys/vm ( /etc/sysctl.conf )
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[13:15:52] <cfriedt> thanks ;-)
[13:15:55] <jacekowski> options with dirty in name are usefull
[13:16:08] <jacekowski> but ext3 is suboptimal for flash
[13:16:17] <jacekowski> reiserfs seems to be little bit better
[13:16:18] <cfriedt> very
[13:16:24] <jacekowski> well, a lot better
[13:16:26] <av500> jacekowski: reiser?
[13:16:31] <jacekowski> reiserfs
[13:16:44] <jacekowski> so called killerfs
[13:16:51] <av500> iKnow
[13:17:12] <jacekowski> if we are talking about performance
[13:17:25] <cfriedt> doing anything useful aside from reading with root on an sd card can be quite painful... especially for gentoo-related things :) ... maybe I'll switch to an external hd
[13:17:36] <jacekowski> but it will kill card faster than ext3
[13:17:52] <av500> cards are easily replaceable
[13:17:52] <jacekowski> ( normal filesystems don't have wear leveling )
[13:18:00] <av500> card have wear leveling
[13:18:05] <av500> cards
[13:18:06] <jacekowski> no
[13:18:12] <av500> yes
[13:18:13] <jacekowski> only CF cards have wear leveling
[13:18:17] <av500> no
[13:18:28] <jacekowski> ffs, i've build couple devices
[13:18:36] <jacekowski> built*
[13:18:43] <jacekowski> saving data to cf/sf/whatever cards
[13:18:58] <jacekowski> and SD doesn't behave like it has wear leveling
[13:19:19] <av500> crap cards exist
[13:19:42] <jacekowski> well, i bought cheapest cards
[13:19:49] <jacekowski> and cf took like 10x more to kill
[13:19:51] <DaveDavenport> hmmm oss output does not work on beagleboard, alsa fine.. (oss emulation.)
[13:20:20] <jacekowski> why people still use oss
[13:20:37] <av500> it has a nice api
[13:21:14] <jacekowski> alsa has nice api as well
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[13:23:49] <_koen_> hello from linuxtag!
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[13:24:10] <cfriedt> hello ;-)
[13:24:21] <av500> _koen_: hello :)
[13:24:31] <cfriedt> or should I say good morning?
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[13:28:07] <_koen_> av500: beagles have been deliverd
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[13:29:24] <av500> _koen_: \\\ooo///
[13:30:06] <av500> _koen_: how do you like the berlin wall?
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[13:33:48] <KeithChester> Hi everyone. Just wondering if anyone here has used android 2.1 on beagle or the rowboat project. Looking into those now.
[13:33:58] <av500> #rowboat?
[13:34:06] <KeithChester> yeah
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[13:34:20] <av500> koeninvasion!
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[13:35:16] <av500> KeithChester: I meant, did you ask in #rowboat
[13:35:42] <KeithChester> yah, but no ones around in #rowboat. and im wondering more if other beagleboard owners have tried running it and, if so, found much success.
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[13:36:35] <av500> KeithChester: not many ppl here run android on BB
[13:36:52] <av500> there also 0xlab images..
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[13:38:13] <_koen_1> av500: it looks quite neat, mru just fired it up
[13:38:15] <KeithChester> darn. most people here run the default angstrom then?
[13:39:36] <av500> seems so
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[13:41:21] <|nfecteD> Android on the beagle could be pretty good, but as it is now... bleh
[13:41:29] <Drago> Does anybody knows a videochat software (skype, ekiga, etc) which is using only the ARM part, witout the DSP ?
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[13:43:09] <KeithChester> |nfecteD, whats wrong with andoird on beagle?
[13:43:53] <|nfecteD> i have to admit i've only tried the precompiled images
[13:44:04] <|nfecteD> but i can not get USB ethernet to work
[13:44:07] <cfriedt> Drago: any of the above?
[13:44:25] <|nfecteD> and the gfx preformance is not very good
[13:44:48] <KeithChester> to be fair, that doesnt surprise me much |nfecteD - android is supposed to be mids only. im hoping one of the beagleboard oriented non stock images will offer support.
[13:44:49] <|nfecteD> doesn't really seem to be accelerated
[13:45:05] <KeithChester> but then im also looking for LCD screen (the embedded device raw lcd screen kind) and touchscreen devices to add to it
[13:45:23] <|nfecteD> KeithChester: tried 0xdroid?
[13:45:43] <KeithChester> probably going to. im between trying that and rowboat, but i came in here to ask if other users have tried them
[13:45:56] <|nfecteD> 0xdroid seems to be the best
[13:46:11] <|nfecteD> atleast they seem to be activly adding features
[13:46:22] * KeithChester looks it up
[13:46:41] <cfriedt> |nfecteD: try downloading the imagination gl drivers from TI's website... actually... check out the touchbook angstrom recipes... ... they're making some significant progress
[13:47:23] <av500> key to android is having the sgx driver
[13:47:30] <cfriedt> exactly
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[13:47:52] <|nfecteD> didn't know there even was a SGX driver for android
[13:48:02] <ojn> what do you think Droid uses?
[13:48:03] <cfriedt> it's straight up opengl so's
[13:48:07] <|nfecteD> that was availabe for download that is
[13:48:20] <cfriedt> ... android is written against the opengles standard
[13:48:43] <cfriedt> ... btw... i've heard some interesting rumors of the 'panda' version of the bb ... any news?
[13:49:00] <|nfecteD> indeed... again i knew the droid uses the same hardware, but i did not know the driver was avaliabe for "normal" users
[13:49:22] <cfriedt> we're not normal users :)
[13:49:33] <KeithChester> sooo if i wanted to buy an lcd screen, 7 inches approx, that was just the screen and wanted to interface with beagleboard, how would i go about doing that? where could i purchase the lcd screen? its hard to find without finding just monitors
[13:49:35] <cfriedt> ... i think you need to sign some kind of agreement on their website
[13:49:55] <cfriedt> KeithChester: try digikey
[13:50:27] <KeithChester> cfriedt, mind answering the next question ? how do i learn to interface BB with that? I've done a lot of embedded work before but never with lcds
[13:51:04] <wmat> is the BeagleBoard-xM not available in Canada? DigiKey says "Due to U.S. export controls, we are unable to add this item to your order."
[13:51:08] <av500> KeithChester: lcds are tricky
[13:51:39] <av500> easiest would be to find a parallel driven one
[13:51:39] <cfriedt> the latest bb rev has lcd pinouts... lcds usually use a standard rgb (either 8x8x8 or 5x6x5), and often have an i2c or iis control interface
[13:51:43] <KeithChester> av500, if you got a resource icould read to learn, that would hep a lot
[13:51:49] <av500> then the only thing you need to tweak is timigns
[13:52:02] <av500> cfriedt: or spi
[13:52:04] <cfriedt> you might also have to account for voltage levels
[13:52:09] <av500> yup
[13:52:23] <cfriedt> yea... sorry, i meant spi... not iis... i think i've overdosed on caffein
[13:52:24] <av500> and you might need to write the correct black magic in 128 config regs in the lcd....
[13:52:33] <av500> been there, done that
[13:52:48] <KeithChester> so bb has an interface for i2c or rgb lcd interfaces? does this translate to plug nad play for beagleboard nad these lcds?
[13:53:02] <av500> no
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[13:53:21] <av500> KeithChester: i dont have a howto for you, sorry
[13:53:31] <KeithChester> darn.
[13:53:32] <Drago> cfriedt: skype is giving me "segmentation fault" and ekiga (or one of it's a libraries) could'nt be installed
[13:54:23] <av500> _koen_1: you got a link to prps lcd board?
[13:55:11] <cfriedt> KeithChester: I would really encourage you to look into buying a touchscreen / lcd module as a single piece of hardware... if you _really_ _really_ look hard, then you can probably find a distributor that will sell single units
[13:55:35] <cfriedt> then just mount it above the board with a couple of standoffs
[13:55:54] <KeithChester> well i could find resistive touch screens easily enough
[13:56:00] <aholler> or just by a phone, could be cheaper in the end
[13:56:02] <KeithChester> for about 60 bucks for a 7-8 inch one
[13:56:13] <cfriedt> look on ebay actually...
[13:56:18] <KeithChester> so i was hoping to buy a cheap lcd screen to work with
[13:56:45] <cfriedt> look for 7inch touchscreen lcds, and there's bound to be someone in china selling them at a reasonable price
[13:56:53] <cfriedt> on ebay
[13:57:22] <KeithChester> the problem is my searches become overpopulated with the actual consumer models, not hte raw oem/embedded screens im actually looking for, but ill try htat
[13:57:44] <cfriedt> it might be easier to just buy a consumer model, take it apart, and retro-fit it to the bb
[13:57:48] <cfriedt> maybe cheaper
[13:58:32] <KeithChester> yah but the goal is to make a great, easy to follow, reproducible diy project with step by step insturctions
[13:58:35] <cfriedt> i would advise against getting anything with a < 30 fps refresh rate or a built-in framebuffer... you want to be using the omaps framebuffer
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[13:58:45] <KeithChester> i prefer the idea of knowing product #s and sites hwere to buy so i can say" go buy this here"
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[13:59:30] <cfriedt> it's tricky... most manufacturers cringe at the idea of selling units of 1... and datasheets / documentation are often only reserved for customers with mass-production in mind
[13:59:52] <KeithChester> mmm i know that
[14:00:00] <KeithChester> i do embedded work for a small business i own
[14:00:02] <cfriedt> i think selling in units in one is a great opportunity for them to overprice though :)
[14:00:06] <KeithChester> never anything with this much power, mostly mcu embedded stuff
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[14:00:26] <KeithChester> i have to deal with this "you dont exist unless you order in the 1000s" stuff al lthe time :-/
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[14:01:37] <cfriedt> me too... it's aggravating...
[14:02:27] <cfriedt> i was really lucky one time and had to sign an NDA to buy 2 lcd / ts units _with_ documentation! ... although i think the fact that the sales-guy emailed me the documentation was a slip-up on his part
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[14:03:22] <XorA> never trust a sales guy, one from a company I used to work for emailed a highly confidential project plan to the customer
[14:03:34] <XorA> that cost us millions
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[14:04:41] <cfriedt> doh!
[14:04:47] <av500> we keep our sales guys in a locked closet...
[14:04:50] <_koen_1> av500: no pics yet for the showdog
[14:04:50] <KeithChester> slightly off topic, but has anyone here gotten or tried the always innovating touchbook?
[14:05:04] <KeithChester> ive been keeping my eye on it and kinda cheering for it (i cheer on small businesses as i own one)
[14:05:04] <cfriedt> yes
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[14:05:58] <av500> _koen_1: i needed the name only actually :)
[14:06:01] <av500> KeithChester: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard_Showdog
[14:06:27] <av500> but I dunno if/when it will be avialable
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[14:08:12] <KeithChester> hmm good to know av500 , thanks
[14:08:25] <KeithChester> how long has it been "in development"
[14:08:35] <av500> KeithChester: prplague is still on vacation it seems...
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[14:08:44] <av500> but he is here usually
[14:09:53] <Drago> sorry for disturbing you again, but the channel was interrupted, does anybody knows why skype gives me "segmentation fault" ?
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[14:11:57] <cfriedt> Drago: try 'gdb skype'
[14:12:03] <cfriedt> then run
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[14:12:27] <av500> since when is there an arm version of skype?
[14:12:48] <cfriedt> since the n700 :)
[14:13:14] <av500> yes, but wouldnt that one ask for a lot of nokla specific infrastructure around it?
[14:14:40] <cfriedt> there was also a skype version distributed w/ the openbroko
[14:14:58] <cfriedt> ... the maemo version of skype probably has hildon dependencies i'm guessing
[14:15:11] <cfriedt> well... before it went 100% qt
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[14:15:28] <av500> cfriedt: thats what I meant
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[14:16:36] <cfriedt> man my bb is getting warm... no better way to burn clock cycles than with gentoo!
[14:17:18] <mru> you're supposed to compile on an i7 or similar
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[14:17:30] <Drago> sorry, my mistake. "segmentation falut" is from ekiga. how to install skype ?
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[14:18:21] <jacekowski> what's a maximum speeed at which omap can sample I/O?
[14:18:28] <av500> Drago: there is no freely available skype for arm
[14:18:37] <av500> jacekowski: 42
[14:19:35] <cfriedt> mru: i got annoyed with Angstrom yesterday... opkg upgrade messing up my older inittab (that worked)... i already had a fairly rounded out gentoo install for an AI TB that I was messing with for work, so I pulled that out instead
[14:20:10] <cfriedt> just removing PAM cruft at the moment...
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[14:23:51] <_koen_> sooooo
[14:23:59] <_koen_> jkridner: your uboot patches don't work too well
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[14:25:16] <Drago> dbg ekiga says, "unable to find libthread_db ..." but it is there !?!
[14:27:05] <_koen_> opkg install glibc-dbg
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[14:27:53] <|nfecteD> at last!
[14:27:57] <|nfecteD> beagle is unbricked
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[14:31:39] <akumar> I am using angstrom with uImage v2.6.29
[14:31:56] <akumar> when i am firing the command gst-inspect-0.10 (gstreamer) the it is not showing any gst elements and it shown:
[14:32:07] <akumar> error, undefined symbol: g_malloc0_n
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[14:32:22] <akumar> please any one help me.
[14:32:53] <Drago> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault, 0x409F4C60 in __gnu_cxx::_bitmap_counter<__gnu_cxx::bitmap_allocator<pcontainerreference>::_alloc_block*>::_m_reset(long) ()
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[14:33:06] <av500> Drago: bt
[14:34:20] <mru> the first challenge is to figure out wtf that function name actually means
[14:34:31] <av500> mru: libpt?
[14:34:40] <av500> #0 0x41dc6a30 in __gnu_cxx::__detail::_Bitmap_counter<__gnu_cxx::bitmap_allocator<PContainerReference>::_Alloc_block*>::_M_reset () from /usr/lib/libpt.so.2.7-beta1
[14:34:53] <mru> never heard of
[14:34:57] <mru> seems buggy
[14:34:58] <av500> same here
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[14:41:12] <josh1> hi all, is there a way to build u-boot so that it does not read the env settings from nand and only uses the default ones? Ive botched whats saved to nand
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[14:53:54] <|nfecteD> josh1: can't you just delete env in nand and use a boot script?
[14:54:06] <|nfecteD> thats what i do anyway... if thats the correct way to go about i have no clue
[14:54:32] <josh1> the problem is that im bricked, no access to uboot
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[14:54:47] <|nfecteD> ah
[14:54:57] <|nfecteD> just debricked my beagle myself =P
[14:55:26] <josh1> im rebuilding u-boot and told it to look in nand where the env is NOT stored, that way it will get a crc error and use the default env (crosses-fingers)
[14:55:49] <|nfecteD> heh
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[15:06:46] <gst-kaps1> On Angstrom, gst-inspect doesnt work
[15:07:07] <gst-kaps1> it says g_malloc_n symbol not found ?
[15:08:10] <josh1> InfecteD: That worked if you were curious
[15:10:33] <ant_work> gst-kaps1: interesting. Have you had any build-issue?
[15:10:47] <ant_work> there is a thread in OpenEmbedded ML
[15:11:07] <gst-kaps1> ant_work: no
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[15:11:43] <gst-kaps1> ant_work:did it worked perfectly for you
[15:11:44] <gst-kaps1> ?
[15:11:57] <ant_work> mom
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[15:12:54] <Drago> av500: what is "bt" ?
[15:13:14] <ant_work> gst-kaps1: http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2010-May/019933.html
[15:14:13] <av500> Drago: a gdb command
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[15:14:28] <ant_work> gst-kaps1: we are trying to understand why that glib-2 header is not found...
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[15:14:57] <ant_work> that's interesting coincidence you lack the same symbol
[15:17:20] <Drago> the answer is too long. what was the site where I can publish the messages ?
[15:17:27] <av500> pastebin
[15:17:30] <av500> pastebin.com
[15:17:40] <gst-kaps1> ant_work:any thing you tried ?
[15:19:42] <Drago> how can I copy the output within the xterm ? there is no Ctrl+C
[15:21:22] <av500> select with mouse, middle click
[15:21:24] <av500> select with mouse, middle click to paste
[15:21:40] <ant_work> gst-kaps1: not yet, because the failing package is rebuilt on second run. Just wondering why it fails. Same in your case: gstreamer depends on glib-2.0
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[15:21:56] <gst-kaps1> yes
[15:22:13] <gst-kaps1> and I assumed angstrom might have glib 2.0
[15:22:20] <ant_work> sure
[15:22:32] <gst-kaps1> ant_work:what you suspect ?
[15:22:41] <ant_work> broken glib-2.0?
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[15:23:15] <gst-kaps1> why would angstrom guys distribute such image ?
[15:23:15] <ant_work> or dependencies handling
[15:23:25] * XorA suspects mixing stable/unstable angstroms
[15:23:30] <gst-kaps1> dependencies maybe
[15:23:33] <gst-kaps1> ah
[15:23:43] <gst-kaps1> XorA: like ?
[15:23:59] <XorA> images from stable feed with gst from unstable or vice versa :-D
[15:24:24] <ant_work> uhh
[15:25:02] <gst-kaps1> ah
[15:25:22] <gst-kaps1> but we tried .29 , as well as 0.32
[15:26:18] <Drago> http://pastebin.com/ZE7hTm91
[15:26:21] <gst-kaps1> how about loading libglib 2.0 explicity
[15:26:22] <gst-kaps1> ?
[15:26:36] <gst-kaps1> I guess using LD_PRELOAD ?
[15:28:40] <av500> Drago: again this libpt....
[15:28:43] <av500> sorry, no idea
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[15:31:44] <Drago> but it says that ptlib is uptodate !!!
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[15:32:31] <Drago> strange ... is there a difference between ptlib and libpt ?
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[15:46:11] <Drago> av500: any other ideas for a videochat klient ?
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[15:46:39] <av500> Drago: iphone4? :)
[15:46:50] <Drago> :)))
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[15:51:02] <Drago> does anybody have an idea how to remove the annoyng black rectangle at the upper left corner http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/6007/screenshot1gy.png ?
[15:51:33] <av500> Drago: buy the full version?
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[15:51:55] <Drago> the full version of what ?
[15:52:02] <av500> :)
[15:52:07] <av500> sorry, no idea
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[15:52:33] <av500> djlewis: howdy
[15:52:42] <Drago> you mean the rectangle is there because I have assembled my own BB ? really ?
[15:52:47] <av500> no
[15:53:02] <djlewis> gm av500
[15:54:11] <djlewis> gst-kaps1: just checked my Demo Angstrom and gst-inspect works
[15:54:43] <gst-kaps1> djlewis:which one , can u point to the version please ?
[15:54:48] <gst-kaps1> or even the image
[15:54:59] <djlewis> Linux beagle 2.6.32 #1 PREEMPT Thu Apr 15 12:05:47 CEST 2010 armv7l GNU/Linux
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[15:55:49] <gst-kaps1> djlewis: you know the download location ?
[15:55:57] <djlewis> was here : http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
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[15:57:29] <user> hello
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[15:58:30] <xvff> test
[15:59:04] <xvff> is there anybody out there?
[15:59:16] <djlewis> no one here
[15:59:25] <xvff> hi
[15:59:29] <xvff> i am new to this
[15:59:33] <xvff> so just testing
[16:00:07] <djlewis> gst-kaps1: I just checked and the listed one is the same file name as what I dnloaded 5/03/2010
[16:00:57] <gst-kaps1> ah
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[16:03:09] <djlewis> gst-kaps1: gstreamer - 0.10.28-r0.5
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[16:04:45] <djlewis> Angstrom-Beagleboard-demo-image-glibc-ipk-2010.3-beagleboard.rootfs.tar.bz2
[16:05:10] * djlewis is getting ready to head to the office
[16:05:22] <gst-kaps1> djlewis: thanks
[16:05:32] <gst-kaps1> it works perfectly for you ?
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[16:07:35] <djlewis> gst-kaps1: which parts?
[16:08:01] <gst-kaps1> gst-insoect
[16:08:06] <gst-kaps1> inspect
[16:08:10] <djlewis> I havent really put gstreamer to the big test on this SD
[16:08:31] <gst-kaps1> just gst-inspect I mean
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[16:14:50] <djlewis> gst-kaps1: list too long.: http://pastebin.com/CHM6haR9
[16:15:17] <djlewis> just showing one page
[16:15:37] <gst-kaps1> djlewis:na , thats enough
[16:15:48] <gst-kaps1> just that for us the same uimage isnt working
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[16:16:13] <gst-kaps1> did u installed, Angstrom-Beagleboard-demo-image-glibc-ipk-2010.3-beagleboard.rootfs.tar.bz2
[16:16:26] <gst-kaps1> explicitly and it worked
[16:16:26] <gst-kaps1> ?
[16:16:29] <djlewis> yes
[16:17:03] <djlewis> gst-kaps1: my uImage is r70
[16:17:25] <gst-kaps1> cool
[16:17:52] <gst-kaps1> did u even installed gstreamer packages ?
[16:17:57] * djlewis sees r72 on site.
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[16:26:25] <djlewis> had to launch Firefox on my BB to pastebin it :P
[16:27:46] <gst-kaps1> djlewis:pastebin what ?
[16:28:55] <djlewis> old news, just got out of shower. [11:14]
[16:29:39] <djlewis> coming back and finding FF on my BB was a bit unusual here.
[16:33:20] <gst-kaps1> :)
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[17:49:45] <vasily_pupkin> hi
[17:50:00] <vasily_pupkin> anybody have problems with USB host and USB 1 devices?
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[17:50:20] <emeb> what version of beagle do you have?
[17:50:22] <vasily_pupkin> if i plug USB 1 device to host usb, then port hangs
[17:50:25] <buZz> is that the port that will only do USB 2 devices?
[17:50:26] <vasily_pupkin> C4
[17:50:34] <vasily_pupkin> yes, USB2 only
[17:51:17] <emeb> so you plug a USB1 device into a USB2-only host and it hangs?
[17:51:28] <vasily_pupkin> yes
[17:51:34] <emeb> and this surprises you?
[17:51:38] <buZz> :)
[17:51:47] <vasily_pupkin> if i unplug device, then insert usb2 device it just dont work :]
[17:52:07] <emeb> seems the solution is obvious: don't do that.
[17:52:12] <vasily_pupkin> heh
[17:52:19] <buZz> my advice exactly
[17:52:30] <vasily_pupkin> but if anybody other do? is there any way to reset the port?
[17:52:47] <buZz> put a usb hub between the port ;)
[17:52:54] <vasily_pupkin> i put the hub
[17:53:01] <vasily_pupkin> but it hangs to (%
[17:53:02] <buZz> usb2 hub?
[17:53:08] <vasily_pupkin> em.. probably
[17:53:23] <vasily_pupkin> i get goot messages in dmesg
[17:53:27] <vasily_pupkin> *good
[17:54:43] <vasily_pupkin> hm. looks like this hub is usb2 only
[17:54:53] <emeb> odd
[17:54:58] <vasily_pupkin> lol
[17:54:59] <vasily_pupkin> >_<
[17:55:09] <emeb> didn't know such things existed.
[17:55:19] <vasily_pupkin> i am to
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[17:55:54] <emeb> find another hub that handles low/full/high-speed USB.
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[18:08:07] <djlewis_> and self powered
[18:08:21] <buZz> nuclear psu built-in?
[18:08:26] <djlewis_> :)
[18:09:55] <jedix> I'd assume he means plugs into the wall until the damn UN allow individuals to own nuclear powered devices
[18:09:59] <jedix> pesky UN
[18:10:23] <buZz> iirc toshiba is already producing small nuclear reactors for home usage
[18:10:27] <buZz> or at least prototypes
[18:10:45] <djlewis_> naw, those old sony li-ion are long gone ;)
[18:10:55] <djlewis_> or was it li-poly?
[18:11:05] <buZz> li-ion, and actually panasonic
[18:11:12] <jedix> there are prototypes and plans to create nuclear batteries that get burried and dug up in 50 years, but no one is allowed to do it because they're worried that in 50 years the company might be gone
[18:11:17] <djlewis_> there was a big recall on some older sony.
[18:11:18] <buZz> sony (and dell) just bought the most of them
[18:11:35] <djlewis_> oh
[18:11:56] <buZz> panasonic is (afaik) the worlds biggest li+ producer
[18:12:22] * djlewis_ has ripped lots of those out of older laptop packs.
[18:12:29] <djlewis_> great for projects
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[18:13:49] <buZz> djlewis_: same here ^_^
[18:13:59] <buZz> using an imax b6 for charging
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[18:14:21] <djlewis_> I have one little bot (cheapy motors, that will run on a single cell.
[18:14:34] <buZz> i use it for my IGEPv2 actually
[18:14:41] <buZz> 3S packs
[18:14:51] * djlewis_ uses the Thunder AC-6
[18:15:18] <djlewis_> I am using a 3c poly for my TracksBot.
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[18:25:00] <djlewis_> buZz: I picked up some Over/Under protection ckt bds for my batteries just to be safe.
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[18:41:42] <buZz> djlewis_: would be wise ;) i already killed one cell by going to low
[18:47:24] <ds2> djlewis: you live in a wet area... a little fire never hurt anything :D
[18:48:00] <djlewis_> buZz: yep. too low is my main concern as I charge with the AC-6 no concerns of overcharge there.
[18:48:45] <djlewis_> ds2: hehee, tell my 5 acreas and neighbors 20 acreas of hardwood that ;)
[18:49:06] <ds2> can you say large BBQ!
[18:49:18] <ds2> burn them down to coals and slow roast some meats
[18:50:36] <djlewis_> that will work, with all the deer and squirrel out in them woods :)
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[18:53:06] <neo01124> i used this guide to build a uImage http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardLinuxKernel in the end i got this "mkimage" command not found - U-Boot images will not be built . how to resolve this?
[18:53:22] <ds2> make sure mkimage is in your path
[18:53:48] <ds2> if you built it, do a "find . -name mkimage" to locate the binary. then copy it into some place in your path
[18:55:33] <neo01124> i have not built it. i was trying to look for instructions but didnt find them ..
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[19:02:44] <djlewis_> mmMmm, good pizza :)
[19:02:48] <ds2> make omap3_beagle_board I think is what you need to do
[19:04:08] <ds2> oops
[19:04:18] <_av500_> djlewis_: again?
[19:04:58] <djlewis_> _av500_: Oh yes :) , I have three more at home. Looking to my weekend pizza..
[19:04:59] <ds2> make omap3_beagle_config; make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=.... I think will do it
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[19:05:46] <neo01124> i had done this make -j4 uImage CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-linux-gnueabi-
[19:07:14] <djlewis_> _av500_: Tuesday is pizza day here at the office.
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[19:07:27] <buZz> do you work in a pizzashop?
[19:07:33] <buZz> ^_^
[19:07:56] <rmull> Hi, stumbled across beagle just today, was wondering if beagleboard can play h.264 smoothly. Would make a nice set-top-box/PVR...
[19:08:03] <rmull> Linux/mplayer
[19:08:13] <buZz> rmull: there are DSP codecs for h264
[19:08:21] <buZz> i think they are smooth up to 720p
[19:09:13] <djlewis_> I dont think it is being done with mplayer though I may be mistaken.
[19:10:10] <buZz> no, i think it's only supported in gstreamer sadly
[19:11:09] <rmull> Thanks all
[19:11:58] <rmull> Still, interesting platform.
[19:14:05] <djlewis_> or omapfbplay
[19:14:43] <_av500_> rmull: u can have h264 hd 720p on a 720 mhz BB - but
[19:15:14] <_av500_> max 24/25fps and not at high bitrates and with a commercial codec that is not free
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[20:08:02] <vasily_pupkin> hm
[20:08:17] <vasily_pupkin> i couldn't get mplayer+omapfb to work
[20:08:23] <vasily_pupkin> regular fbdev works ok..
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[21:42:39] <xvff>
[21:42:39] <xvff>
[21:42:40] <xvff>
[21:42:40] <xvff>
[21:42:41] <xvff>
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[21:43:14] <djlewis_> hmmm
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[21:45:02] <|nfecteD> anyone know were the heezy those android SGX drivers are
[21:45:10] <|nfecteD> the ti site is a mess
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[21:48:52] <_av500_> http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12700&contentId=27458
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[21:54:31] <|nfecteD> thanks
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[22:15:29] <vijay> hi
[22:15:59] <vijay> join
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[22:18:52] <cwillu> vijay, best way is just to jump into some active public channel
[22:19:12] <cwillu> vijay, also, it's generally considered impolite to message random people out of the blue without asking them in a channel first
[22:19:45] <cwillu> #beagle is fairly quiet at the moment as you can see, but it's not always
[22:20:02] <vijay> hmm
[22:20:07] <vijay> yeah
[22:20:18] <cwillu> #ubuntu-offtopic is generally pretty active
[22:20:34] <cwillu> but not so insanely active that you get lost in the noise
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[22:21:21] <cwillu> you can stop pm'ing me now :p
[22:21:34] <cwillu> (pops up a window on my screen each time)
[22:22:29] <vijay> oops
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[22:22:31] <vijay> sorrry
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[22:22:36] <djlewis_> does cwillu have a stalker ;)
[22:22:41] <cwillu> the older one I'd say, the revision c4 beagles are pretty solid, the majority of the kinks have been worked out
[22:22:49] <cwillu> djlewis_, comes with the name
[22:23:01] <vijay> hmm
[22:23:15] <cwillu> you could get an xm, but there's no guarantee that any given thing will work right :p
[22:23:36] <vijay> Oh ok
[22:23:42] <cwillu> if you're just starting out, you've got a bit of a learning curve ahead of you anyway, and it's probably better to not add unvalidated hardware to the confusion :)
[22:23:57] <vijay> okies, thanks!
[22:23:57] <cwillu> generally if something isn't working on the c4, it's because you're doing it wrong
[22:24:03] <cwillu> with the xm, it may also because it's just broken :p
[22:24:13] <vijay> yeah, understandably...
[22:24:34] <cwillu> you have a linux box?
[22:24:43] <vijay> I do have some hands on with Linux
[22:24:45] <vijay> yes
[22:24:51] <vijay> I do have a linux box
[22:24:53] <cwillu> okay, life is easier that way
[22:25:01] <vijay> :)
[22:25:10] <vijay> thanks for the help...
[22:25:17] <cwillu> i.e., you can check how a random thing is supposed to work there if it's not working on the beagle
[22:25:23] <cwillu> np
[22:25:44] <vijay> just out of curiosity
[22:26:03] <vijay> any obvious advantages of the XM for a beginner ?
[22:26:10] <vijay> I mean
[22:26:27] <vijay> if I shell out $149/-
[22:26:51] <vijay> would it be worth the trouble to go ahead and add the $30/- to get a XM
[22:26:56] <vijay> ?
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[22:27:20] <cwillu> personally, I'd say no; the hardware on it may be more convenient, but it's a new board, there's going to be bugs, quirks, etc
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[22:27:33] <vijay> ok...
[22:27:38] <cwillu> the first revision of the beagle didn't even have a working dc input :)
[22:27:43] <vijay> :P
[22:27:54] <cwillu> ehci usb is just finally getting stable with rev c4
[22:28:03] <vijay> ok
[22:28:21] <vijay> I think Ill get the orig one
[22:28:22] <cwillu> that opinion might change once people have played with the xm for a little while, but basically we don't know what the quirks are yet
[22:28:31] <vijay> true
[22:28:46] <vijay> and I guess as a beginner.. I really don't want to get into that
[22:28:49] <cwillu> exactly
[22:28:53] <vijay> the quirks I mean
[22:28:58] <buZz> ehci usb (and dc input) worked first revision on the IGEPv2
[22:29:10] <buZz> guess the beagle ppl are better at marketing then EE
[22:29:25] <cwillu> buZz, igep is based on the beagle, no?
[22:29:30] <cwillu> and the v2 is telling :p
[22:29:43] <buZz> v1 was just for industry :P
[22:29:53] <vijay> So, what is the role of the IRC as such
[22:30:02] <vijay> just seems like a "chat room"
[22:30:09] <vijay> are there any rules?
[22:30:14] <buZz> vijay: being a place to get laughed at for silly ideas, of course
[22:30:20] <buZz> just basic netiquette applies
[22:30:34] <cwillu> I'm in about 20 channels currently, generally devoted to discussion of particular topics
[22:30:42] <cwillu> some are more technical than others
[22:30:46] <vijay> 20 channels ?
[22:30:50] <vijay> hmm
[22:31:04] <cwillu> beagle has a nice mix of newbies talk and in-depth technical talk (occasionally :p)
[22:31:25] <cwillu> vijay, basically every project that I depend on in some major way :p
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[22:32:09] <buZz> are you in #food? :D
[22:32:23] <cwillu> I don't depend on food
[22:32:40] <cwillu> ask LjL, he'll explain
[22:32:52] <buZz> oh, mr superhuman
[22:32:56] <cwillu> hardly
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[22:47:56] <dixit> where may I get a list of all the channels/
[22:47:57] <dixit> ?
[22:48:23] <cwillu> freenode.net would have a list
[22:48:25] <dixit> I am the same guy with an earlier nickname of "vijay"
[22:48:35] <dixit> oh ok
[22:48:36] <dixit> cool
[22:48:51] <cwillu> yes, I figured that out when I got more random private messages :p
[22:49:22] <dixit> hmm
[22:49:41] <dixit> also is it possible to build own code for the BB
[22:49:51] <dixit> as in build own kerenel
[22:49:52] <dixit> ?
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[22:52:11] <vijay> I am so sorry
[22:52:20] <vijay> it has not been intentional
[22:52:54] <vijay> just wanted a way to ask some question
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[22:52:58] <vijay> will not PM
[22:53:12] <cwillu> "cwillu: blah blah blah" works :)
[22:53:28] <vijay> aah
[22:53:29] <cwillu> it'll highlight on my screen that way, without being annoying ;p
[22:53:34] <vijay> okies thanks
[22:53:45] <vijay> yeah I understand
[22:53:52] <cwillu> vijay, <-- should do something different in your client
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[22:54:14] <vijay> hm
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[22:54:51] <vijay> cwillu: what are some decent IRC client s?
[22:55:30] <cwillu> I use xchat myself, empathy and pidgin also have irc support; lots of people swear by irssi (text-based terminal client)
[22:55:42] <vijay> hmm
[22:55:46] <vijay> ok
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[22:56:33] <vijay> cwillu: what is the use of the "Username: Password" at the login of the IRC
[22:56:35] <vijay> ?
[22:56:49] <vijay> all that seems to be required is a nickname
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[22:58:02] <vijay> cwillu: when I tried searching for the "beagle" channel down here "http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/?net=freenode" why did it not turn any results for the channel we currently chatting in ?
[22:58:37] <vijay> "cwillu: when I tried searching for the "beagle" channel down here "http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/?net=freenode" why did it not turn any results for the channel we currently chatting in ?"
[22:58:48] <cwillu> you didn't need to repeat that
[22:59:02] <cwillu> it highlights based on cwillu being in the text, not on any magic syntax
[22:59:08] <vijay> :P
[22:59:12] <vijay> sorry
[22:59:31] <vijay> cwillu: just making sure I got it right
[22:59:41] <vijay> cwillu: thanks!
[22:59:42] <cwillu> I'd expect that it's just a broken search
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[22:59:56] <djlewis_> type /help at the logon irc screen
[23:00:27] <vijay> djlewis_: /help where ?
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[23:01:07] <vijay> cwillu: and what is with the login credentials ?
[23:01:37] <vijay> cwillu: like would you always be "cwillu" ?
[23:01:46] * cwillu looks over at cwillu_at_work
[23:02:24] <vijay> cwillu: "what is this message"
[23:02:25] <vijay> ?
[23:02:28] <vijay> :(
[23:02:35] <vijay> it's getting so confusing
[23:02:53] * cwillu sighs and hands vijay a /me
[23:02:53] <vijay> * cwillu looks over at cwillu_at_work
[23:03:03] <buZz> complexity is not in the ant, but in the beach around him
[23:03:16] <cwillu> buZz, ignorance is in the map, not the territory
[23:03:18] <buZz> the ant does not need to know the beach to be able to walk upon it
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[23:03:28] <buZz> cwillu: exactly ;)
[23:03:40] <vijay> ahemm...
[23:03:48] * cwillu sighs and hands vijay another /me
[23:04:03] <cwillu> /me makes it more explicit
[23:04:14] <vijay> did not understand
[23:04:18] <vijay> hmm
[23:04:41] * cwillu makes it more explicit
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[23:05:16] <vijay> test me
[23:05:21] <vijay> :P
[23:05:25] <vijay> sorry
[23:05:28] * cwillu has failed
[23:05:30] <vijay> this will take me time
[23:05:35] <Ira> Anyone farmiliar with using python with beagleboard?
[23:05:38] <cwillu> /me refuses to fail
[23:05:50] <cwillu> Ira, there's nothing special about using python on a beagleboard
[23:06:02] <cwillu> start by learning python on a desktop, it's exactly the same
[23:06:36] <cwillu> /me wonders why vijay is having so much trouble with this :D
[23:07:01] * cwillu doesn't
[23:07:20] <Ira> I know it to an extent on the PC etc but if I want to develop hardware specific i./o on the beagleboard like pi I2C ARE THERE SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT TOOLS OR LIBRARIES
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[23:07:34] <Ira> s{i OR I2C
[23:07:48] <Ira> SPI OR I2C
[23:07:51] <Ira> SORRY
[23:07:56] <cwillu> you should turn off your capslock
[23:08:05] <Ira> just did thanks
[23:08:45] <cwillu> Ira, but still, that has very little to do with python; most i2c work would be done via a kernel driver, at which point you just poke at files or whichever from python to do what you need to do
[23:09:12] <Ira> any "batteries" libraries IDE's ?
[23:09:38] <cwillu> what are you trying to do?
[23:09:51] <cwillu> (not the approach you're taking, but what you're trying to end up with)
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[23:10:17] <Ira> read data off of a SPI (probably) ADC and graph it with MATPYPLOT
[23:10:18] <cwillu> vijay, type: /me does something
[23:10:37] * vijay
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[23:10:45] * cwillu celebrates
[23:10:57] * vijay :)
[23:11:09] * vijay heheh
[23:11:17] <cwillu> but, you're doing it wrong :p
[23:11:18] * vijay silly /me
[23:11:35] <vijay> whats wrong ?
[23:11:40] <Ira> sirry confused with the IRC traffic did you answer me?
[23:11:51] <cwillu> not yet :p
[23:12:31] <vijay> cwillu: would you always be in this list as "cwillu" ?
[23:12:35] <cwillu> yes
[23:12:44] <cwillu> You should read the first chapter of diaspora
[23:12:45] <Ira> somebody at UMASS physics has an SPI ADC board layout but littlle to no software yet
[23:12:48] <cwillu> by greg egan
[23:13:41] <cwillu> Ira, it sounds like you want a userspace i2c driver, although I'm not certain that'll work for you
[23:13:48] <cwillu> (i.e., those are the terms I'd look for)
[23:14:06] <Ira> and I want to read in gsr ecg eeg etc and graph it
[23:14:21] <Ira> the board uses SPI not i2c
[23:14:42] <vijay> cwillu: I need to rush home, thanks for helping me get started
[23:14:48] <cwillu> p
[23:14:50] <cwillu> np
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[23:15:06] <vijay> cwillu: hope to chat with you again
[23:15:14] * cwillu hides
[23:15:36] <Ira> cwillo thanks so google beagleboard userspace i2c SPI ?
[23:15:48] <vijay> cwillu: I mean I will not irritate you
[23:16:01] <cwillu> Ira, with or without beagleboard, it's not really a beagle specific question after all
[23:16:06] <vijay> cwillu: Just will restrict my queries related to the Beagle
[23:16:13] * cwillu pokes at vijay with a stick
[23:16:29] <vijay> as in ?
[23:16:35] <vijay> what does that refer to ?
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[23:16:43] <vijay> pokes at vijay with a stick
[23:16:58] <vijay> cwillu: poor ira
[23:18:05] <cwillu> self-sufficiency is a virtue :)
[23:18:32] <cwillu> but often the biggest part of the battle is figuring out what you should search for in the first place
[23:18:53] <vijay> hmm true
[23:19:05] <vijay> thanks for all the help
[23:19:42] <vijay> from a newbies view... it was a good experience here, to begin with
[23:19:46] <vijay> bye guys
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