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IRC Log for 2010-06-19

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  1. [00:01:35] <ds2> looks idiot proof to use
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  3. [00:03:07] <emeb> good thing for me. :)
  4. [00:03:23] <emeb> but yeah - not a lot of complex setup.
  5. [00:04:46] <emeb> note that it's not monolithic - it's a combination of other stuff they're already making slapped down on a carrier.
  6. [00:05:29] <emeb> customizable - order up different filters, etc.
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  27. [00:55:49] <ds2> too bad they didn't toss in a DDS
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  66. [03:54:06] <evilGenius> Does the new beagleboard XM have onboard NAND flash?
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  98. [05:28:57] <Guest79466> does anybody know why the original Beagle board is still $149 USD even though the xM just came out?
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  100. [05:36:42] <emeb|mac> Guest79466: you were hoping for a price drop?
  101. [05:41:12] <Guest79466> yup
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  104. [05:43:05] <Guest79466> ememb|mac: I mean the new version has almost twice the speed, tons of builtin crap that the original doesn't have, etc.
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  106. [05:44:57] <emeb|mac> eh - trade off. Original beagle has NAND flash on board which xM doesn't have. xM is $30 more.
  107. [05:45:38] <emeb|mac> it's not like the parts for the original are getting any cheaper, and beagle.org isn't making a lot of $$ on them.
  108. [05:50:21] <Guest79466> you think the markup is low?
  109. [05:50:36] * Guest79466 is surprised
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  111. [06:00:26] <emeb|mac> 1k pricing on the OMAP is ~$30. Figure that they're probably not getting them in much greater volume than that (I think the number I saw was about 20k total made so far, all versions) Factor in cost of all the other parts and the BOM is probably in the $60 range.
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  115. [06:05:18] <emeb|mac> Add assembly costs, test, shipping, packing etc. I'd guess the total cost is pushing $90-$100. Then figure resellers like Digi-Key want a ~30% margin. Not much room in between.
  116. [06:06:18] <emeb|mac> Of course, I could be totally wrong and they're actually printing money. :)
  117. [06:06:56] <Guest79466> you don't think they get deals for parts?
  118. [06:07:21] <emeb|mac> TI is probably buying in.
  119. [06:07:49] <emeb|mac> It's a loss-leader for them,
  120. [06:08:44] <emeb|mac> But since they're not having any trouble selling the C4 boards, why drop the price?
  121. [06:08:51] <Guest79466> comparing arm to x86, you can get something much better for the same price
  122. [06:09:13] <Guest79466> (ignoring power CISC vs RISC)
  123. [06:10:25] <Guest79466> it's pretty standard for companies to drop prices when new models come out
  124. [06:11:08] <Guest79466> game consoles, macs etc.
  125. [06:11:19] <emeb|mac> Two things wrong with that: PC motherboard volumes are probably > 100x the beagle, so manufacturing & design costs are more spread out.
  126. [06:11:58] <emeb|mac> and when you buy a PC mobo you're not getting a processor or memory with it, and it's built on w/ Beagle.
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  128. [06:12:35] <Guest79466> I realzie that, but you could get a complete package for a similar price
  129. [06:16:53] <emeb|mac> Well, sounds like there's an opportunity out there for someone to undercut the Beagle by a healthy margin and still make some $$.
  130. [06:17:41] <mpr> small-volume dev boards != game consoles & macs
  131. [06:17:57] <mpr> the latter are produced in the millions which makes the story quite a bit different
  132. [06:18:08] <emeb|mac> yep - see above.
  133. [06:19:02] <Guest79466> I hope so, as a decent price cut would make give it an advantage over x86
  134. [06:19:40] <emeb|mac> But it doesn't compete with the x86. Beagle is a completely different market.
  135. [06:20:31] <Guest79466> which is? low powered embeded devices?
  136. [06:20:51] <emeb|mac> it's not a commodity, it's an R&D device. One-off, proof of concept.
  137. [06:21:41] <emeb|mac> Mom, Dad & Grandma aren't going to buy these things to surf the web. It's for geeks to goof around with.
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  139. [06:23:00] <emeb|mac> Not saying some entrepreneur couldn't do something OMAP-based that was consumer-oriented.
  140. [06:23:29] <emeb|mac> TI would probably love to get into that space, but there's a lot of work to be done beyond the Beagle to get there.
  141. [06:23:30] <Guest79466> so it's exclusive purpose is to goof around with?
  142. [06:23:52] <Guest79466> aren't they targeting developers to have boards designed for specific purposes
  143. [06:24:53] <emeb|mac> Yep - for values of 'goof-off' which include serious work in small batches.
  144. [06:25:16] <emeb|mac> Note that they won't sell you beagles in high-volumes.
  145. [06:25:53] <Guest79466> If they're not, they should be going for something like what marvell is doing with SheevaPlug
  146. [06:26:07] <emeb|mac> If you want high volumes you can take the design materials to a CM and build them yourself.
  147. [06:26:54] <emeb|mac> But beagleboard.org is interested in seeding the engineering community
  148. [06:27:26] <emeb|mac> Not putting a beagle in every living room.
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  150. [06:35:21] <Guest79466> thanks for your advice + opinion
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  154. [06:45:38] <emeb|mac> It's official: I am now an annoying loudmouth fanboi. :O
  155. [06:54:31] * calculus (~calculus@gentoo/user/calculus) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
  156. [07:05:02] <serp_> yes you are
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  162. [07:34:21] <_av500_> gm fanbois
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  165. [07:57:54] <topfs2> morning _av500_ :)
  166. [08:03:57] <_av500_> topfs2: its weekend, get some sun!
  167. [08:05:03] <topfs2> hehe, Was actually thinking of hitting the beach
  168. [08:05:10] <topfs2> Haven't decided yet though :)
  169. [08:05:22] <topfs2> And I was freaking convinced this morning it was friday!
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  177. [08:59:20] <av500> http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/18/diy-tablet-kit-is-less-than-400-more-complicated-than-an-ipad/
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  182. [09:11:25] <aholler_> sn
  183. [09:11:29] <aholler_> uups
  184. [09:11:33] * aholler_ is now known as aholler
  185. [09:12:08] <aholler> I don't see why someone should by the kid. A Touch Book is much better
  186. [09:12:35] <koen> but it has less pins sticking out :)
  187. [09:13:32] <gregoiregentil1> aholler: Just logged-in... Thank you!!! ;-)
  188. [09:13:38] * av500 did not buy his kids, he made them
  189. [09:14:23] <aholler> saw the typing error too, but refused to correct it ;)
  190. [09:17:07] <aholler> or a n900, has a 3,5" touch too
  191. [09:18:05] <aholler> gregoiregentil1: ?
  192. [09:18:22] <gregoiregentil1> yup?
  193. [09:19:13] <aholler> logged in? I assume someone other has helped you, at least I can't remember.
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  195. [09:28:25] <koen> gregoiregentil1: welcome back!
  196. [09:29:49] <gregoiregentil1> koen: Thanks. when I run omapdmaifbsink, I hit two problems
  197. [09:29:58] <gregoiregentil1> first if the user is not root, I get a failed to create decode thread
  198. [09:30:00] <aszpain> I want to test the USB OTG in HOST mode: I do have an unpowered HUB that has a LED indicating whenever it is feeding from the USB HOST port... when I connect the HUB into the OTG and I boot I dont get any LED powered ON, does it mean that the OTG is not in USB MODE?
  199. [09:30:05] <gregoiregentil1> while root user is working
  200. [09:30:11] <gregoiregentil1> the user belongs to video group
  201. [09:30:20] <gregoiregentil1> and /dev/dsplink /dev/cmem belongs to video group
  202. [09:30:29] <gregoiregentil1> any idea which privilege(s) I'm missing?
  203. [09:31:45] <gregoiregentil1> Second problem: when running as root, the video is compressed on the first 50 pixels of the gst-launch window, and the remaining pixels are noise. I though that omapdmaifbsink was writing to /dev/fb1 directly, so whatever I do on X /fb0 shouldn't matter. Am I wrong?
  204. [09:33:53] <koen> it should use fb1 directly
  205. [09:34:18] <koen> I have udev rules in place to tune devnode parameters
  206. [09:34:31] <gregoiregentil1> OK. interesting.
  207. [09:34:36] <gregoiregentil1> is it a patch to udev-151?
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  209. [09:35:12] <koen> gregoiregentil1: I would advice you to complain to TI that there is no double buffered video out for omap3, so horrible tearing everywhere
  210. [09:35:52] <koen> gregoiregentil1: the ARM BU is looking at multimedia, but I'm having a hard time convincing them that horrible tearing is, well, horrible
  211. [09:36:15] <gregoiregentil1> OK
  212. [09:38:43] <aszpain> whats that used for? : modprobe g_zero
  213. [09:38:43] <aszpain> > echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode
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  216. [10:00:40] <gregoiregentil1> koen: Have you ever manage to make gles2_bc_webcam-x11?
  217. [10:00:56] <gregoiregentil1> I get an init EGL failed error from EGL_BAD_CONFIG
  218. [10:01:07] <gregoiregentil1> powervr is working as I have the 3D demo working correctly
  219. [10:12:26] <koen> I do 'opkg install bc-cube-x11', attach a webcam and click on the icon
  220. [10:12:58] <koen> gregoiregentil1: see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jqPAkASp0I
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  223. [10:38:19] <gregoiregentil1> koen: I'm not sure to understand well. Which package provides the bc-cat kernel module?
  224. [10:49:52] <koen> the omap3-sgx-modules
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  227. [10:52:58] <mru> koen: "no double buffered video" huh?
  228. [10:53:14] * mru points at omapfbplay
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  231. [11:05:48] <aszpain> I want to test the USB OTG in HOST mode: I do have an unpowered HUB that has a LED indicating whenever it is feeding from the USB HOST port... when I connect the HUB into the OTG (with mini-B) and I boot I dont get any LED powered ON, does it mean that the OTG is not in USB MODE?
  232. [11:05:55] <koen> mru: right, but that's the only accelerated one
  233. [11:06:12] <mru> so app authors are too stupid
  234. [11:06:27] <mru> not much TI can do about that
  235. [11:07:10] <gregoiregentil1> koen: and can you still compile gst-plugin-bc? on latest tree, it fails
  236. [11:07:13] <topfs2> grrr why the heck did my usb net stop working now. Have worked perfectly since first configured and now all of the sudden the ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): usb0: link is not ready
  237. [11:07:46] <topfs2> usb-gadget set to networking
  238. [11:08:59] <topfs2> any simple way to test if the OTG port is working?
  239. [11:09:36] <aszpain> in HOST mode or whatever?
  240. [11:10:00] <koen> gregoiregentil1: gst-plugin-bc is using a different bc-cat, I don't want to support both
  241. [11:10:20] <koen> gregoiregentil1: the one in the sgx sdk is supported, the gst-plugin-bc one isn't :(
  242. [11:10:24] <aszpain> Well MY theory is that if OTG is in HOST MODE and you have a HUB with a LED indicating power on... in means that is working :)
  243. [11:13:38] <topfs2> aszpain, if you answered my question mine is in peripheral :)
  244. [11:13:45] <topfs2> but power over usb works so I guess its ok
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  248. [11:25:12] <aszpain> peripheral? U mean DEVICE mode? what did u attack in that mode? an usb WIFI dongle.. what?
  249. [11:25:24] <topfs2> koen, if I removed my interface file and then added the usb and confed through ifconfig after login it worked. perhaps the order is wrong in boot?
  250. [11:25:34] <topfs2> aszpain, attack?
  251. [11:27:23] <aszpain> attach omg
  252. [11:27:36] <aszpain> connect
  253. [11:30:06] <koen> topfs2: dunno
  254. [11:31:53] <topfs2> no matter, atleast it works now :)
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  259. [12:18:02] <screwgoth> Hi, what is the root password for a narcissus custom angstrom image ?
  260. [12:18:35] <mru> blank iirc
  261. [12:21:22] <topfs2> all the ones I've made have been blank
  262. [12:24:39] <screwgoth> yes , even I have been using blank
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  264. [12:29:17] <screwgoth> but I made a GNOME Angstrom image using narcissus and it booted up properly, but I'm not able to login
  265. [12:29:41] <mru> try text console login
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  267. [12:42:13] <topfs2> Anyone knows a good screen record utility?
  268. [12:42:33] <mru> ffmpeg :-)
  269. [12:43:17] <topfs2> oh it can, cool
  270. [12:43:27] <topfs2> Wanted to show off some progress :D
  271. [12:44:46] <mru> how's it going?
  272. [12:48:33] <topfs2> Well the effort on beagleboard is abit slow, basically because it takes silly slow to compile and the clock messes up the build system so I need to recompile from scratch far more than I want
  273. [12:48:44] <topfs2> (a build from scratch takes about 5-6 h or so)
  274. [12:48:48] <mru> use ntp
  275. [12:48:53] <mru> and distcc
  276. [12:49:02] <mru> and fix your build system
  277. [12:49:04] <topfs2> Yeah I try to do that but forgot it last time :)
  278. [12:50:05] <topfs2> Inside XBMC I have been able to calculate dirty regions and just finished getting some rerender calls working (basically just flagging when rerender needs to be done, so not hooked up really)
  279. [12:50:07] * markos_ (~markos@athedsl-432506.home.otenet.gr) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  280. [12:50:34] <topfs2> And it renders a nice looking colored quad on the region that needs to be rerendered, which is what I wanted to record since it looks abit cool :)
  281. [12:51:26] <topfs2> So inside XBMC it goes forward as I want but beagleboard and embedded is still new to me. Lots of fun and learnt tons though
  282. [12:56:54] <_av500_> still no way to cross build?
  283. [12:59:30] * mru wonders just how fucked up the build system can be
  284. [12:59:39] <mru> if fixing it takes longer than multiple native builds
  285. [13:02:23] <topfs2> I think koens last patch probably helped alot
  286. [13:02:52] <topfs2> The reason I haven't checked into it is because I know about 0 of buildsystems
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  288. [13:05:25] <_av500_> mru: u saw xbmc tshirts
  289. [13:05:34] <_av500_> they list every existing open source lib
  290. [13:05:56] <_av500_> and depend on it
  291. [13:06:00] <mru> most of which cross-compile just fine
  292. [13:06:24] <_av500_> yes
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  297. [13:14:47] <_av500_> koen: are you drivin around here honking like mad?
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  304. [13:24:37] <topfs2> http://rapidshare.com/files/400692835/out.ogv.html
  305. [13:24:41] <topfs2> Thats some eventbased and dirty region
  306. [13:24:49] <topfs2> It doesn't actually render on event or clip to the region but it shows it
  307. [13:25:03] <topfs2> mru, ^^ notzed ^^
  308. [13:25:26] <mru> ogv????? wtv is wrong with you?
  309. [13:26:08] <topfs2> Sorry, the damn capture app made ogv :)
  310. [13:26:11] <topfs2> (didn't use ffmpeg)
  311. [13:26:25] <mru> then use a different one
  312. [13:26:35] <topfs2> don't like ogv I take it ;)
  313. [13:26:58] <mru> you don't read my blog?
  314. [13:27:43] <topfs2> http://hardwarebug.org/2010/03/03/ogg-objections/#more-374
  315. [13:27:57] <mru> ok, so you do
  316. [13:28:07] <topfs2> WEll no haven't read it tbh, gonna read it now :)
  317. [13:28:16] <topfs2> have read some other stuff from it though
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  319. [13:36:34] <topfs2> mru did you check or you didn't want to when it was ogv :)
  320. [13:36:54] <mru> I haven't looked at it but not because of that
  321. [13:37:24] <topfs2> ok :)
  322. [13:37:57] <topfs2> Well its not much to see but it shows that the simple way of solving it seems applicable
  323. [13:38:00] <topfs2> @ notzed
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  325. [13:42:08] <koen> av500: why should I honk?
  326. [13:43:38] <janneg> football?
  327. [13:43:44] <koen> handegg?
  328. [13:43:59] <koen> I went shopping during the match
  329. [13:44:03] <koen> nice and quiet
  330. [13:44:10] <koen> lots of germans, though
  331. [13:47:09] <koen> topfs2: opgk install ntpdate ; ntpdate -b pool.ntp.org
  332. [13:47:48] <topfs2> I did ntp
  333. [13:47:49] <topfs2> root@beagleboard:/media/ET/xbmc# ntpdate -b pool.ntp.org
  334. [13:47:49] <topfs2> 18 Jun 16:24:39 ntpdate[14505]: the NTP socket is in use, exiting
  335. [13:48:00] <mru> ntpd running?
  336. [13:48:02] <topfs2> So I think it should do it magically?
  337. [13:48:09] <topfs2> yeah pretty sure ntpd is running
  338. [13:48:23] <topfs2> yup its running
  339. [13:48:25] <mru> ntpd normally refuses to warp the time by a huge amount
  340. [13:48:33] <mru> since that can confuse things
  341. [13:48:50] <mru> instead it speeds up the system time by some factor until it catches up
  342. [13:49:00] <mru> that factor is rather small
  343. [13:49:09] <topfs2> aha
  344. [13:49:11] <mru> so when you're several years out, it doesn't work too well
  345. [13:49:16] <koen> is that the tick adjust thing?
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  347. [13:49:24] <topfs2> better to remove ntpd then :)
  348. [13:49:25] <mru> the usual trick is to run ntpdate before starting ntpd
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  350. [13:49:39] <mru> in your case I wouldn't bother running ntpd at all
  351. [13:50:01] <mru> you probably reboot the board often enough that drift isn't an issue
  352. [13:50:38] <koen> topfs2: http://pastebin.com/CreKLNEW
  353. [13:50:44] <topfs2> as long as the build system doesn't fuck up because make have happened in the future I'm fine with drift :)
  354. [13:51:29] <mru> koen: why do you guys insist on using -march -mtune?
  355. [13:51:29] <topfs2> Hey koen thats a smart script!
  356. [13:51:41] <koen> mru: too lazy to change
  357. [13:51:48] <mru> -mcpu is so much quicker to type
  358. [13:52:25] <mru> and you don't have to remember if it's armv7-a or armv7a
  359. [13:53:57] <koen> :)
  360. [13:57:59] <mru> remember the harry potter patch?
  361. [13:58:10] <koen> yes
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  377. [15:16:21] <notzed> topfs2: which video codec is that?
  378. [15:16:40] <notzed> oh he left ages ago, missed that
  379. [15:16:43] <_av500_> an obsolete one
  380. [15:17:09] <_av500_> vp3++ i guess
  381. [15:17:15] <notzed> been watching australia lose another soccer game
  382. [15:19:25] <notzed> oh goodo, another machine played it
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  384. [15:24:27] <emeb> gm
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  395. [16:08:56] <markos_> hi all, is the neon mplayer source available somewhere?
  396. [16:09:47] <Crofton|work> look in ffmpeg git
  397. [16:10:47] <markos_> oh, didn't know mplayer was part of ffmpeg, still, thanks :)
  398. [16:13:48] <markos_> btw, dunno if anyone's interested... but here's a very simple benchmark of a hardfp vs softfp glxgears on a cortex-a8 (imx515 in particular, but I guess the resutls would be similar on the beagle)
  399. [16:13:51] <markos_> http://www.powerdeveloper.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=13558#13558
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  403. [16:22:03] <ssvb> markos_: ok, thanks
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  405. [16:23:47] <ssvb> btw, there seems to be a lot of room for improvement in gcc regarding floating point performance: http://old.nabble.com/RFC%3A-ARM-Cortex-A8-and-floating-point-performance-td28902445.html
  406. [16:24:57] <ssvb> it's funny, but -mfloat-abi=hard might be not so convenient if such optimizations are applied when generating code for cortex-a8 :)
  407. [16:26:32] <markos_> isn't neon sharing registers with the vfp unit? so doesn't the same problem still apply?
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  409. [16:27:27] <mru> float-abi=hard is orthogonal to that problem
  410. [16:28:19] <markos_> I know that's why I'm asking, regardless if neon of vfp is used for floating point code, the problem of passing fp arguments still exists unless float-abi=hard
  411. [16:29:02] <markos_> right, or...?
  412. [16:29:42] <ssvb> cortex-a8 is a weird chip with the regards to floating point
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  414. [16:30:21] <ssvb> not HLL friendly at least
  415. [16:36:21] <markos_> ssvb: very interesting results, I hope this makes its way into gcc proper, but fwiw, I've located a few programs that expect full ieee-754 compliance, so a -ffast-math would indeed be required to enable this
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  418. [16:52:55] <ssvb> markos_: I hope linaro or whoever else may invest some efforts into improving gcc :)
  419. [16:53:34] <mru> arm are already paying codesourcery to "improve" it
  420. [16:54:30] <ssvb> well, and it kinda works, so it's not so bad considering that there are no competitors
  421. [16:54:37] <ssvb> well, clang looks like an interesting toy compiler
  422. [16:55:03] <markos_> i wouldn't call it a toy... fbsd guys are about to replace gcc with it
  423. [16:55:30] <mru> does it bootstrap itself now?
  424. [16:56:04] <ssvb> markos_: they reached "beta quality" on ARM just with the latest release, it's not usable for anything other than simple tests
  425. [16:56:05] <markos_> i think it already does, but i'm not following
  426. [16:56:22] <markos_> ssvb: no doubt, but it progresses quite fast
  427. [16:56:34] <mru> the question is, in which direction?
  428. [16:58:34] <markos_> no idea, i'm no clang fan, I just think it's a nice idea and with great promise
  429. [16:59:44] <mru> of course with gcc busy rewriting itself in c++ there won't be much useful work coming from that direction for a while
  430. [16:59:59] <mru> with luck some good devs might even tire of it and jump ship
  431. [17:00:58] <ssvb> mru: you are quite optimistic, as usual :)
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  438. [17:48:43] <koen> topfs2: for the samba problem, opkg install glibc-gconv-ibm850 glibc-charmap-ibm850
  439. [17:50:44] <topfs2> oh cool!
  440. [17:50:53] <topfs2> Have you added it to the narcissus build?
  441. [17:51:34] <koen> yes
  442. [17:51:52] <topfs2> thanks!
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  444. [17:54:36] <koen> topfs2: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/OE/xbmc.log.txt
  445. [17:54:47] <koen> 16:11:22 T:1112856672 M:351662080 INFO: load default splash image: /usr/share/xbmc/media/Splash.png
  446. [17:54:50] <koen> 16:11:22 T:1112856672 M:351662080 INFO: msg: PICTURE::LoadImage: Unable to open image: Error: (2)
  447. [17:54:53] <koen> 16:11:22 T:1112856672 M:351662080 ERROR: Texture manager unable to load file:
  448. [17:55:26] <koen> topfs2: that might explain the black screen I'm seeing
  449. [17:55:35] <topfs2> Looks like your getting the same error as me
  450. [17:56:00] <topfs2> I just added some debug logging for it then the clock issue came and now I'm at the 4th hour of compile :)
  451. [17:56:13] <koen> another suspicious thing:
  452. [17:56:14] <koen> 16:11:21 T:1112856672 M:351391744 DEBUG: RefreshEGLContext Succeeded! Format:A0|R5|G6|B5|BPP16
  453. [17:56:26] <koen> fbset says:
  454. [17:56:26] <topfs2> Yeah thats the one tegra need
  455. [17:56:26] <koen> rgba 8/16,8/8,8/0,8/24
  456. [17:56:39] <topfs2> Which probably isn't the same as beagle needs, I haven't checked that yet
  457. [17:56:54] <koen> beagle can use 16bpp and 32bpp for sgx
  458. [17:57:54] <topfs2> but shouldn't it fail if thats an issue?
  459. [17:58:02] <topfs2> THe splash is shown for me atleast
  460. [17:58:41] <koen> dunno if it should fail
  461. [17:58:58] <koen> but it seems the arm/gles stuff for xbmc is done 'old skool'
  462. [17:59:33] <koen> it hints at the worldview that there will be a single sw config for a board
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  464. [17:59:55] <koen> "tegra will always run at 16bpp on softvfp glibc"
  465. [18:00:18] <topfs2> ah, yeah the initialization is far from sturdy
  466. [18:00:25] <topfs2> Even on desktop it leaves much to be desired
  467. [18:00:34] <topfs2> IIRC if you don't have 24bit it crashes
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  469. [18:01:16] <koen> what does 'fbset' say on your beagle?
  470. [18:01:28] <koen> (the geometry line)
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  472. [18:01:37] <koen> geometry 1280 720 1280 2160 32
  473. [18:01:58] <topfs2> geometry 640 480 640 480 32
  474. [18:02:14] <koen> mine shows a triple buffer capable 720p60@32bit
  475. [18:03:36] <koen> so yours is 32 bit as well
  476. [18:05:21] <topfs2> but you don't get the splash showing then?
  477. [18:05:28] <topfs2> just a black screen?
  478. [18:05:33] <koen> right
  479. [18:05:56] <koen> 17:11:19 T:1112856672 M:361594880 NOTICE: Starting XBMC, Platform: Linux (Description: Angstrom GNU/Linux 2010.4-test-20100617 (foo), 2.6.32 armv7l). Built on Jun 19 2010 (SVN:31176)
  480. [18:06:01] <topfs2> My bet is that something regarding the tegra patches have destroyed it for the beagle :)
  481. [18:06:04] <topfs2> Need to backtrack them
  482. [18:06:05] <koen> my lsb_release script works :)
  483. [18:06:14] <topfs2> hehe, awesome!
  484. [18:06:30] <topfs2> you added that one to the narcissuss aswell?
  485. [18:06:45] <koen> Crofton|work, XorA|gone: please help think of a better codename than 'foo'
  486. [18:06:57] <koen> topfs2: yes, the 'angstrom-version' package has it
  487. [18:07:45] <topfs2> well meant as a dependency to the xbmc package
  488. [18:09:21] <topfs2> (added the new dependencies to wiki)
  489. [18:09:27] <koen> narcissus should always install angstrom-version :)
  490. [18:10:24] <topfs2> Heck I wished the make process had a progress bar at times :)
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  492. [18:12:00] <koen> topfs2: btw, if you install angstrom-uboot-scripts you will get a bunch of boot.scr files in /boot/u-boot-scripts
  493. [18:12:23] <topfs2> So I can flash nand and such?
  494. [18:12:58] <koen> you can use one of those to replace /media/mmcblk0p1/boot.scr to change bootargs
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  498. [18:20:03] <koen> maybe I should try 16bpp
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  504. [18:27:30] <koen> nope, same with 16bpp
  505. [18:27:42] <topfs2> btw koen you know if beagle likes rgba 8888 instead of 565?
  506. [18:28:03] <_av500_> like bothj
  507. [18:28:09] <_av500_> likes both
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  509. [18:28:36] <topfs2> ah ok
  510. [18:29:07] <topfs2> Could define RGBA8888 in xbmc/WinSystemEGL.cpp
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  512. [18:31:00] <_av500_> topfs2: but then u need to set fb to 8888 as well, no?
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  514. [18:33:37] <topfs2> well it kindof already is
  515. [18:33:40] <topfs2> atleast I think
  516. [18:33:49] <topfs2> rgba 8/16,8/8,8/0,8/24 from fbset
  517. [18:34:06] <topfs2> looks to be bgra even?
  518. [18:34:30] <mru> argb I'd say
  519. [18:35:04] <Crofton|work> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3W43pyEgSk&feature=youtube_gdata
  520. [18:39:08] <_av500_> cute
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  522. [18:42:24] <topfs2> haha
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  528. [19:15:04] <koen> topfs2: on beagle you can choose between 16bpp and 24bpp (pretty much any bpp, actually, but sgx support 16 and 32)
  529. [19:18:22] <mru> 24 == 32?
  530. [19:19:19] <koen> 32 bits per pixel, 8 bits per channel
  531. [19:19:43] <mru> yes, as usual
  532. [19:19:53] <koen> topfs2: you'd have to check at runtime wether the fb is 16 or 32 bpp
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  536. [19:28:29] <topfs2> koen, I think egl can do that
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  556. [20:20:27] <_av500_> topfs2: i guess the egl to fb glue does that
  557. [20:20:40] <_av500_> it does it for android
  558. [20:20:58] <_av500_> but u have egl to x i guess...
  559. [20:20:59] <topfs2> yeah afaik it should give all possible options and you can iterate and chose a suitable
  560. [20:21:31] <koen> _av500_: the imgtec stuff abstracts X, you just write egl
  561. [20:21:31] <topfs2> we dont' though :)
  562. [20:21:42] <koen> _av500_: /etc/powervr.ini sets the egl backend
  563. [20:21:49] <topfs2> Still need to give a window ?
  564. [20:22:06] <koen> it will request an x window for you
  565. [20:22:08] <_av500_> koen: android is different i think
  566. [20:22:14] <_av500_> no x
  567. [20:22:18] <_av500_> involved
  568. [20:22:22] <koen> in android egl hooks into skia, right?
  569. [20:22:35] <_av500_> it sits between android and fb
  570. [20:22:56] <_av500_> the whole ui is rendered by sgx
  571. [20:23:00] <_av500_> into fb
  572. [20:23:08] <_av500_> aiui
  573. [20:23:11] <topfs2> skia just render, doesn't create any window afaik
  574. [20:23:25] <topfs2> you can present the rendered stuff onto anything you want
  575. [20:25:31] <topfs2> what I mean is skia is outside this afaik
  576. [20:25:59] <_av500_> i never looked into it
  577. [20:26:08] <_av500_> i looked at whee it outputs too
  578. [20:26:09] <mru> did you look out of it?
  579. [20:26:16] <_av500_> kinda
  580. [20:26:28] * mru looks around such things
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  582. [20:26:35] <mru> faster that way
  583. [20:26:50] <topfs2> Yeah it can create the rendered stuff using gles iirc (still not finished though) so I guess that part might use egl. Or just assume its setup already
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  585. [20:27:19] <_av500_> what is egl?
  586. [20:27:35] * hrw is now known as hrw|gone
  587. [20:28:06] <_av500_> all this 3d stuff has way to many acronyms
  588. [20:28:19] <_av500_> sgx ogl egl gles...
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  590. [20:28:51] <topfs2> egl is the system abstraction, basically what wgl and such stuff is aswell
  591. [20:28:52] <gregoiregentil1> you forget to mention the versions! gles 1.0, 1.1, 2.0...
  592. [20:29:00] <mru> and on desktop linux you have drm, dri, etc
  593. [20:29:02] <_av500_> wgl?
  594. [20:29:04] <topfs2> It generates fbo's and sets up the context
  595. [20:29:11] <_av500_> can i put any letter before gl`
  596. [20:29:13] <topfs2> Any real rendering is done with gles
  597. [20:29:14] <_av500_> ?
  598. [20:29:18] <topfs2> lol
  599. [20:29:34] <_av500_> and after?
  600. [20:29:43] <mru> there's glu...
  601. [20:29:45] <mru> and glut
  602. [20:29:52] <_av500_> xgly
  603. [20:29:55] <mru> ugly
  604. [20:29:56] <topfs2> http://www.khronos.org/egl/
  605. [20:29:57] <_av500_> ugly
  606. [20:30:58] <mru> what was that stuff some people were hacking at in the late 90s?
  607. [20:31:07] <mru> codenamed utah iirc
  608. [20:31:12] <_av500_> amiga?
  609. [20:31:22] <koen> mru: utahglx
  610. [20:33:20] <mru> there was another one too
  611. [20:33:25] <topfs2> _av500_, after you have created the window you use egl to set up the context it can set up other contexts and such as well (fbo)
  612. [20:33:26] <mru> some acronym with a k
  613. [20:33:27] <_av500_> ohioglx?
  614. [20:33:44] <topfs2> mru, the one microsoft bailed out of and got a giant leap with dx?
  615. [20:33:51] <_av500_> topfs2: too late here to follow, sorry :)
  616. [20:34:14] <_av500_> can u wiki up a block diagram?
  617. [20:35:19] <_av500_> nothing fancy, a few animations only...
  618. [20:36:00] <mru> ah, kgi
  619. [20:36:11] <mru> and it's companion ggi
  620. [20:36:20] <koen> ugh
  621. [20:36:21] <koen> ggi
  622. [20:36:23] <mru> and their frind xggi
  623. [20:36:59] <topfs2> _av500_, pffft, I've spent far to much of the day writing the lightning talk and trying to create some slides :) no more diagrams for me ;)
  624. [20:37:41] <koen> topfs2: now beat the tegra dudes over the head for breaking omap3 :)
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  626. [20:38:12] * mru hands topfs2 a large cluebat
  627. [20:38:31] <koen> a clue-by-4?
  628. [20:38:47] <mru> bigger
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  630. [20:39:04] <ahoka> hu
  631. [20:39:07] <ahoka> hi
  632. [20:39:33] <mru> ha
  633. [20:40:42] <_av500_> he
  634. [20:40:47] <mru> ho
  635. [20:40:56] <_av500_> facetious
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  637. [20:43:45] <mru> fracedinous
  638. [20:44:13] <mru> half-serious
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  642. [20:46:08] <_av500_> and now we discuss trains?
  643. [20:48:14] <janneg> EWRONGCHAN, kshishkov is not here
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  654. [21:33:52] <topfs2> koen, I think the reason for the load fail might be locking issue.
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  657. [21:48:06] <gregoiregentil1> Koen: For the video noise problem of dsp-link that I reported, it's only when I use vrfb=1. Otherwise, it's working with VRFB disabled. Have you ever tried gstreamer-ti with VRFB enabled? You have copy pasted my code of omapfb.c into gstreamer-ti and this code is working fine on dsp-bridge
  658. [21:48:34] <gregoiregentil1> More precisely, it seems that "gfxAttrs.dim.lineLength = omapfbsink->fixinfo.line_length;" is not really taken into account by the TI code. Who can take a look at this?
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  673. [23:41:08] <emeb> hey all - dumb cross compile question: I'm trying to build i2c-tools for my mini2440 ARM system using CS arm-2009q3 but it can't find some system headers.
  674. [23:41:50] <emeb> exact same source builds just fine native on my x86-64 system, but changing the compiler to arm-none-eabi-gcc causes it to fail
  675. [23:42:11] <emeb> obviously I've got some include search path issues. How to fix?
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