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IRC Log for 2010-06-28

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[00:00:03] <mru> CruNcher: oh yes they do
[00:00:04] <CruNcher> i mean they have the GPU OpenCL and Cuda :P
[00:00:09] <mru> lol
[00:00:24] <raster> as is red
[00:00:25] <CruNcher> and most probably the VP4 or a newer version
[00:00:28] <raster> so to speak
[00:00:33] <raster> only green gets full res
[00:00:39] <raster> a real shame imho
[00:00:51] <raster> so close to perfect... and yet... :(
[00:01:06] <mru> do you know how I made that photo?
[00:01:17] <raster> mru: agreed. a bit of a bummer with no neon and so far vague on the gpu side performance
[00:01:30] <mru> and no fucking linux support whatsoever
[00:01:44] <mru> a halfbaked android kernel doesn't count for me
[00:01:58] <raster> from what i gather its marginally better in terms of pixel throughput than an sgx540
[00:02:20] <CruNcher> raster Super Amoled combined with Sharps Quatron RGBA ;)
[00:02:26] <CruNcher> that would rock
[00:02:55] <CruNcher> ehh
[00:02:59] <CruNcher> RGBY
[00:03:02] <mru> give it time, and oled displays will have full resolution
[00:04:45] <raster> CruNcher: trust me. nvidia could do with neon.
[00:04:53] <raster> neon is damned useful
[00:05:20] <raster> it can do what gpu's cant (well not as cleanly, with as much finesse and close-coupling to the code u are actually executing on the cpu)
[00:05:35] <CruNcher> yes but it's no lose either i mean they could compensate it with the correct use of OpenCL
[00:05:46] <mru> lol
[00:06:04] <mru> how many actual opencl apps have you seen?
[00:06:13] <raster> mru: indeed. time will make them better. but super-amoled definitely shows what it can do compared to lcd
[00:06:15] <mru> and how many of them actually work?
[00:06:24] <raster> its a big step up in all ways - except color res
[00:06:49] <mru> it's only in fine vertical lines you notice it though
[00:06:56] <CruNcher> and i suspect for the 4 base media types Mpeg-2,AVC,VC-1,ASP they gonna have support via their VP Asic
[00:07:16] <mru> they don't do avc high profile
[00:07:34] <CruNcher> are you sure ?
[00:07:36] <mru> quite
[00:07:44] <mru> av500: ^^
[00:07:56] <CruNcher> ohh ok
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[00:08:22] <CruNcher> Main is enough for normal consumers i guess that thinking again
[00:08:26] <mru> no it's not
[00:08:35] <mru> almost everything people play is high profile
[00:08:38] <CruNcher> i know but they think that :P
[00:08:40] <mru> the stuff they torrent
[00:09:09] <CruNcher> i mean from day 1 they decided High is a Professional feature
[00:09:34] <mru> doesn't look like anyone told the film rippers
[00:09:42] <CruNcher> the whole H.264 industry did FreXt was never thought to be used by consumers
[00:10:51] <CruNcher> and especialy they think small display Main is enough :)
[00:11:15] <CruNcher> they completely ignore their own HDMI output stuff
[00:11:51] <mru> you wouldn't want tegra2 in a phone
[00:12:03] <mru> eats way too much power
[00:12:25] <mru> as a mains-powered set-top box, sure
[00:12:42] <raster> mru: actually u notice it with text (the oled res issue)
[00:12:42] <CruNcher> sure not but tablets
[00:12:43] <mru> but then we're implicitly talking about big screens
[00:12:48] <raster> with photos/video its just stunning
[00:12:59] <CruNcher> there are a lot of reference tablets allready been shown
[00:13:16] <mru> raster: text not in blue or red is ok
[00:13:22] <mru> you can see it if you look carefully
[00:13:27] <mru> but it's not distracting
[00:14:33] <CruNcher> mru also illegal stuff is not important to a design decission
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[00:14:48] <raster> mru: even white u notice that instead of a straight vertical line u have a little "dither" as it wobbles left and right down the screen
[00:14:54] <CruNcher> Main is enough no camcorder records in High these days either :P
[00:15:05] <CruNcher> not consumer
[00:15:11] <mru> raster: yes, it's visible
[00:15:23] <mru> but to me it's not distracting to the point of being annoying
[00:15:40] <CruNcher> most content the average joe does is Main especialy if hes a MAC user ;)
[00:15:45] <mru> red or blue on black is a bit annoying
[00:16:09] <mru> CruNcher: average people torrent bluray rips and play them with vlc
[00:16:17] <mru> that's all high profile
[00:16:37] <CruNcher> yes the asians care about that and fill the demand ;)
[00:16:42] <CruNcher> like allways
[00:16:56] <CruNcher> that was back in the ASP days the case and is nowdays :P
[00:17:23] <mru> no, it's much simpler
[00:17:29] <mru> x264 uses high profile by default
[00:19:07] <CruNcher> yeah that creates massive of legal/ilegal content that the industry didn't thought of and the asians fill that gap
[00:19:24] <mru> asians are irrelevant to this
[00:19:33] <mru> they're not the only ones pirating stuff
[00:19:58] <CruNcher> i mean asian manifactures of such cheap stuff :)
[00:20:04] <CruNcher> not the users
[00:20:53] <CruNcher> they know their is a market for those High Profile devices where is a demand there will be solutions
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[00:22:51] <raster> mru: indeed pure red/blue do really show it... quake3 was a prime example :)
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[00:23:44] <mru> what's special about quake?
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[00:27:57] <raster> mru: all its menus are red
[00:27:59] <raster> ie the rext
[00:28:01] <raster> text
[00:28:05] <raster> u notice
[00:28:05] <raster> :)
[00:30:19] <mru> been a while since I played it...
[00:36:13] <raster> same
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[00:38:51] <raster> i did a hacked-up build/port on my c110
[00:43:05] <raster> i was woreking on gl-es2 compositing and wanted to see what the impact of compositing a "real life gl game" would be
[00:43:14] <raster> it was supririsingly not as much as i thought it'd be
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[01:13:08] <CruNcher> that c110 of yours is that the Galaxy-S or a dev board ?
[01:13:39] <CruNcher> raster :)
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[01:20:27] <raster> call it a dev board
[01:20:34] <raster> tho its closer to a galaxy s
[01:20:35] <raster> i guess
[01:22:34] <CruNcher> hehe
[01:24:32] <CruNcher> i guess you not really interested in video playback in your GUI development @ all ;) ?
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[02:17:54] <ds2> hmmm
[02:25:44] <emeb> ds2: do anything fun this weekend?
[02:42:01] <ds2> emeb: 7" TMR LCD functional!!
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[02:42:18] <djlewis> hi emeb , ds2
[02:43:27] * djlewis has been studying vocanic islands in the Pacific
[02:44:01] <djlewis> wondering if one could retire poor here and be rich there :)
[02:46:32] <ds2> djlewis: aren't they either taken or underwater?
[02:46:56] <djlewis> taken?
[02:47:16] <djlewis> I think the spanish are done conquering
[02:48:43] <ds2> takened, owned, occupied
[02:48:48] <ds2> i.e. not available
[02:49:11] <djlewis> wel, perhaps, I do see some with large homes and pools.
[02:52:02] <djlewis> these two look particularly interesting to me: http://pastebin.ca/1890847
[02:52:12] <djlewis> long links ;P
[02:53:51] <djlewis> oops, that didnt work at al...
[02:53:57] <djlewis> strange.
[02:54:13] <djlewis> nevermind :(
[02:56:15] <ds2> what about getting rights to moor a house boat on a sunken atol?
[02:56:28] <emeb> ds2: Sweet - sounds nice & compact
[02:56:34] <emeb> djlewis: hi
[02:56:35] <djlewis> now wouldn't that be fun in a storm :)
[02:58:33] * djlewis didn't notice that panning goggle maps and dbl clicking the new location wont update link.
[02:59:11] <djlewis> oh, DOH! lap forehead. look at the lin to current view
[03:00:16] <djlewis> hmmm, some of my keys are not making contact under my poor typing skills.
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[03:01:01] <emeb> ds2: what's the main chore in getting a new LCD working? Hookup or kernel driver tweaks?
[03:02:48] <ds2> emeb: ordering the parts from digikey :D the kernel was a 5 min exercise
[03:03:04] <djlewis> better links : http://pastebin.ca/1890853
[03:03:28] <emeb> ds2: thing about tweaking kernel stuff is knowing where to start.
[03:04:05] <djlewis> soldering the LCD connector on the BB wouls be my challenge
[03:04:08] <emeb> those with experience (like you) could do it in their sleep.
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[03:04:48] <djlewis> looks like something that should have been wave soldered.
[03:05:15] <ds2> emeb: there isn't much to it... at least for the LCD stuff. the goal is simple - get the hw to generate some complex sequencing.... what is hard is making the PLA's do that job (school exercise was to do exactly that with some 22V10's on an 80188)
[03:06:02] <ds2> djlewis: that's the easy part.. the 0.5mm FPC connectors are a bit on the irritating side
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[03:07:09] <djlewis> perhaps its time to clean my 6" Luxo
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[03:09:29] <emeb> ds2: I've got no feel for what the HW looks like - is it just a matter of setting up registers in the RFBI part of the DSS?
[03:10:03] <ds2> emeb: that's what it boils down to
[03:10:12] <ds2> the DSS2 stuff simplify that a bit
[03:13:53] <emeb> Interesting. An I'd guess that the place to insert your tweaks would be in <kernel>/drivers/video/omap2/dss or thereabouts.
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[03:20:15] <ds2> that and arch/arm/mach-omap2
[03:20:43] <ds2> that stuff has moved around depending on which kernel and flavor of DSSused
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[03:27:58] <emeb> Not so bad. OTOH, putting together a Digi-Key & Mouser BOM is a nuisance...
[03:28:20] * emeb is building a BOM right now
[03:29:44] <djlewis> night guys
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[05:10:25] <av500> ds2: pics!
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[05:15:45] <ds2> av500: prehaps you can help there... what's a good way to take a picture of a LCD in reflective mode w/o things getting all washed out?
[05:16:56] <av500> angle?
[05:17:06] <av500> no idea
[05:17:35] <ds2> it is the autoiris thingie I want to defeat
[05:17:56] <av500> manual?
[05:21:38] <ds2> don't think there is a manual on my cam
[05:21:50] <av500> better cam?
[05:22:10] <Ceriand|desktop> put a couple of white postits on the flash to diffuse it a bit and use a regular point and shoot
[05:22:32] <Ceriand|desktop> *postits
[05:24:10] <ds2> Ceriand|desktop: this is outdoors in full sun... flash is not going to make a difference
[05:24:30] <Ceriand|desktop> I see
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[05:30:07] <xvff> has anyone purchased the LCD expansion header to VGA adapter board from BeagleBoardToys.com?
[05:30:42] <xvff> i am tempted to buy it but wanted to know if it works because the web site seems to have very little info about the product
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[06:41:08] <fede> hi
[06:41:23] <fede> Anyone help me?
[06:41:58] <av500> you might find out if you ask a question
[06:42:13] <fede> I have a beagle rev b6 and i have a problem with the usb
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[06:42:40] <Animule> just restart it
[06:42:42] <Animule> fixes everything
[06:42:45] <Animule> if you're running windows
[06:43:37] <fede> Ok, but this problem is very rare and I don't find anything about this
[06:44:38] <fede> I tried compile the beagle kernel with linux,
[06:45:20] <fede> but my usb don't work, but I have a uImage that the usb works,
[06:46:09] <fede> I copy the .config in my .config but don't work.
[06:46:17] <fede> Any idea please?
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[06:47:55] <av500> u still did not say what does not work
[06:48:41] <fede> yes
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[06:55:46] <av500> 42
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[07:04:45] <koen> TheUni: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80Uia6FkvnA
[07:07:59] <ds2> damn it, google needs to be bleached
[07:09:18] <av500> koen: is that the new google TV UI?
[07:09:37] <av500> how will I teach grandma her password?
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[07:15:15] <dm8tbr> in related news. yesterday I had to help an elder lady because her pay tv was displaying an notification that wouldn't go away
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[07:25:58] <_koen_> good morning all
[07:26:02] <av500> gm
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[07:36:08] <hrw> morning
[07:36:27] <asr_> morning
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[10:20:08] <koen> topfs2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80Uia6FkvnA
[10:23:23] <topfs2> nice!
[10:23:34] <topfs2> I'll add that to my weekly report
[10:23:52] <topfs2> Then I'll try writing up something for frontpage
[10:24:06] <topfs2> The exit doesnt' work to well yet :)
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[10:29:43] <koen> topfs2: I noticed that exit wasn't working :)
[10:30:13] <topfs2> yeah, haven't really prioritized it yet :)
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[11:00:31] <akumar> hi, I am using beagle board C4.
[11:01:23] <akumar> i want to flash angstrom on beagle board with uImage32
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[11:02:04] <akumar> but it is not booting and stop after
[11:02:05] <akumar> Uncompressing Linux............................................................................................................................................................
[11:02:25] <akumar> please any one suggest me. thanks
[11:04:43] <lag> akumar: What is your kernel commandline?
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[11:05:16] <lag> Has anyone seen a "Division by zero in kernel" error on boot-up?
[11:05:28] <koen> akumar: use http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/OE/uboot-flash.cmd.scr as boot.scr to flash nand
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[11:09:12] <akumar> lag: http://pastebin.com/rBbXinQA my kernel commandline
[11:09:48] <lag> Do you have a serial->USB device attached?
[11:09:58] <lag> Why aren't you using the in-built serial?
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[11:10:01] <akumar> koen: i am not flash nand. i am flash on SDCard
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[11:10:26] <akumar> lag: yes i have serial->USB device
[11:10:41] <lag> Can you use the on-board serial?
[11:11:36] <av500> akumar: if you use an USB2serial you cmdline is wrong
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[11:12:18] <lag> akumar: ?
[11:12:33] <akumar> lag: in my system, serial port is not available
[11:12:51] <lag> On the beagleboard?
[11:13:09] <lag> The Beagleboard has serial?
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[11:13:51] <akumar> lag: yes i am using serial of beagleboard
[11:14:15] <lag> Then you need console=ttyS2,115200n8
[11:14:18] <av500> akumar: then why this: console=ttyUSB0,115200n8
[11:15:09] <lag> I'm guessing you are using USB->Serial on your laptop?
[11:15:18] <akumar> lag: yes
[11:15:39] <lag> Change console=ttyUSB0,115200n8 for console=ttyS2,115200n8 and it will work
[11:16:01] <akumar> lag: fine i will try
[11:16:11] <akumar> lag: thanks
[11:16:21] <lag> akumar: No problem
[11:19:47] <akumar> lag: sorry, it is not working
[11:19:58] <lag> What is your commandline now?
[11:20:10] <lag> Post it here
[11:20:32] <akumar> setenv bootargs 'console=ttyS2,115200n8 console=tty0 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rw rootdelay=2 rootfstype=ext2 rootwait omapfb.video_mode=1440x900MR-16@60 mem=99M@0x80000000 mem=128M@0x88000000'
[11:20:38] <_koen_> akumar: that script will fix the builtin xload and uboot, so it's safe to use
[11:20:50] <_koen_> akumar: and don't set bootargs in uboot, use a boot.scr for that
[11:21:17] <_koen_> akumar: and don't use both rootdelay and rootwait, only use rootwait
[11:21:42] <lag> setenv bootargs 'console=ttyS2,115200n8 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rw rootdelay=1 rootfstype=ext2 omapfb.video_mode=1440x900MR-16@60 mem=99M@0x80000000 mem=128M@0x88000000'
[11:21:45] <lag> Try that
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[11:25:52] <akumar> lag: it is also not working
[11:26:01] <lag> Same thing?
[11:26:35] <_koen_> lag: please don't tell people to use rootdelay, that got depricated with kernel 2.6.24
[11:26:55] <lag> _koen_: Noted
[11:27:24] <lag> _koen_: Why the change?
[11:27:31] <koen> akumar: and try using the boot.scr I showed you, that reset everything to a know working config
[11:28:14] <koen> lag: some media need >1 second to come up, rootwait waits to it, so if it takes less than 1 second, you boot faster and if it takes more than 1 second, it will wait
[11:28:19] <koen> so booting works everytime
[11:28:50] <lag> No probs
[11:28:59] <koen> 2.6.21 or so moved sd card detection to an async thread, so the kernel can complete booting before the card has been detected
[11:29:18] <koen> which will obviously not work if your rootfs is on sd
[11:29:26] <lag> koen: Have you this before? http://paste.ubuntu.com/456338/
[11:30:08] <koen> I don't use ubuntu kernels
[11:30:31] <lag> Okay, no problem
[11:31:09] <koen> the .32 kernel from angstrom has never showed that error
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[11:32:49] <akumar> _koen_: boot.scr from where to set
[11:33:12] <karan> hi, can anyone tell me of a way to easily install packages to my beagleboard?
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[11:33:52] <_koen_> akumar: download the .scr file from the link I gave you and save it as 'boot.scr' on the first partition of your sd card.
[11:38:00] <_koen_> karan: if you're using angstrom, just do 'opkg update && opkg install package'
[11:38:21] <karan> ok, but how do i configure the internet?
[11:39:20] <akumar> _koen_: i have down, but it is also not solving the problem.
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[11:40:16] <_koen_> akumar: did uboot execute that boot.scr file?
[11:41:03] <akumar> i have one question, why it is showing "OMAP3 Darkstar #" prompt. it must show "OMAP3 beagleboard.org # " prompt.
[11:41:54] <akumar> _koen_: how to know about above.
[11:42:38] <_koen_> akumar: sounds like you have a wrong uboot
[11:43:19] <akumar> _koen_: i copied from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
[11:43:30] <_koen_> no you didn't
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[11:43:37] <_koen_> if you did it wouldn't be showing darkstar
[11:44:48] <akumar> _koen_: i will copy and try again
[11:47:27] <mru> darkstar, that was the default hostname of slackware back in the day...
[11:47:28] <karan> _koen_, is there a way to configure internet on beagleboard angstrom distribution so that i can download the packages? im using the angstrom demo image
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[11:49:42] <_koen_> karan: I put the ethernet cable in an usb2ethernet dongle and it works
[11:49:52] <_koen_> alternatively you can use bluetooth or wifi
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[11:51:59] <karan> i have a wifi connection
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[11:54:16] <akumar> _koen_: lag: it is in same stage.
[11:54:51] <lag> Do you ever receive 'done'?
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[12:02:19] <akumar> lag: no
[12:03:23] <lag> Do you have line wrap on?
[12:05:49] <akumar> lag: no i have not
[12:07:32] <lag> Turn it on
[12:07:39] <lag> Then run again
[12:07:49] <lag> See if you have 'done' at the end of ...........
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[12:12:58] <akumar> line wrap on, how to Turn it on
[12:13:23] <lag> Are you using minicom?
[12:13:40] <av500> CTRL-A W
[12:13:54] <lag> If you're using minicom -^
[12:14:00] <akumar> yes
[12:14:09] <lag> av500 already said it
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[12:24:57] <akumar> lag: yes, it is showing done, booting the kernel. and stop
[12:25:22] <akumar> after that it is not showing root terminal
[12:25:59] <lag> Either you have configured the wrong kernel, or your serial is goofed
[12:26:07] <lag> Are you using a tutorial?
[12:26:19] <akumar> yes
[12:26:32] <akumar> i have tried on C3
[12:26:41] <akumar> but it is problem with C4
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[12:31:15] <koen> mru: those comments to the ffmpeg/vp8 slashdot article are hilarious
[12:31:29] <koen> "OMG stop saying vp8 is similar to h264 LOL"
[12:31:31] <mru> link?
[12:31:40] * mru does not read slashdot
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[12:32:54] <av500> "...Is is really a good idea to advertise how similar VP8 and H.264 are? Send in the patent trolls...."
[12:33:15] <av500> http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/06/28/1120200/VP8-Codec-Coming-To-FFmpeg?art_pos=1
[12:33:30] <mru> facts are facts
[12:34:01] <av500> ffmpeg is taking the warm fuzzy feeling away!
[12:34:24] <av500> ppl used to think they have a free codec, now they find they have an H264 patch
[12:35:32] <mru> "besides being a free to use standard, what advantages does VP8 have over H.264?"
[12:35:40] <mru> eh, h264 is free to use as such
[12:35:50] <mru> the standard itself doesn't contain any restrictions
[12:35:52] <dm8tbr> for values of free
[12:36:04] <mru> the spec is available free of charge to anyone
[12:36:15] <mru> you don't even need to fill in a form
[12:36:34] <av500> no form? purchasing wont allow it then!
[12:37:37] <akumar> lag: what happens, please reply
[12:38:43] <lag> akumar: Are you following a tutorial?
[12:39:28] <akumar> lag: yes, which part may be wrong.
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[12:39:57] <lag> Which tutorial are you following?
[12:41:36] <akumar> from http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#Revision_C4
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[13:03:17] <gst-kaps> anyone tried 720p on beagle ?
[13:03:31] <mru> tried to do what with it?
[13:03:43] <gst-kaps> playback 720p videos
[13:03:56] <cwillu_at_work> gst-kaps, you're not asking what you think you're asking :p
[13:03:57] <gst-kaps> on a linux version ?
[13:04:35] <gst-kaps> cwillu_at_work: I am sure I am asking what I want to ask :)
[13:04:45] <cwillu_at_work> gst-kaps, the answer is yes, it works fine :p
[13:04:55] <gst-kaps> How ?
[13:05:05] <gst-kaps> I mean which codecs ?
[13:05:06] <ShadowJK> gst-kaps, you probably want to ask something specific like "Anyone managed to play back 720p h264 high profile vidoe at 30 fps in real time on a 720MHz Beagle with <insert something> codecs?"
[13:05:10] <cwillu_at_work> gst-kaps, exactly :)
[13:05:28] <gst-kaps> ooops sorry guys, will rephrase
[13:06:04] <gst-kaps> was someone able to playback 720p videos at 25fps , which are h264 encoded
[13:06:17] <av500> h264 is too vague
[13:06:34] <gst-kaps> H264 any profile
[13:06:46] <gst-kaps> is ok
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[13:08:14] <gst-kaps> av500: I am even ok with, 720p H264 Base profile decoding
[13:08:30] <av500> so why does it have to be H264 then?
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[13:08:38] <av500> just for the name?
[13:08:58] <gst-kaps> av500: I had those videos thats why
[13:09:21] <av500> if you dont control the content, H264 can be BP to HP
[13:09:32] <av500> if you do control the content, you might want to use MPEG4 in 720p
[13:10:14] <gst-kaps> av500:I would rather want to evaluate possibility of using both H264 & Mpeg4 720p
[13:12:16] <gst-kaps> av500:Which codecs pack would be able to do 720p ?
[13:12:25] <mru> the one you can't afford
[13:12:37] <gst-kaps> mru: like ?
[13:13:01] <gst-kaps> Ittiam ;-)
[13:13:07] <mru> that would be one option
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[13:13:30] <gst-kaps> mru: other options can you please share ?
[13:14:09] <mru> I've seen a few others claim they can do it
[13:14:11] <mru> forgot the names
[13:14:55] <gst-kaps> no problem. There arent any from TI ?
[13:15:22] <gst-kaps> I heard DVSDK 3.0 beta might have it , any clue ?
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[13:27:56] <av500> gst-kaps: yes, it might have it :)
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[13:29:13] <gst-kaps> av500:I was trying to verify that, but unsure as to how do I do that
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[13:30:03] <av500> gst-kaps: ask your friendly neighbourhood TI rep
[13:30:24] <gst-kaps> av500: Read the notes of dvsdk but cant find any info, any clue how can I verify it ?
[13:30:36] <gst-kaps> av500:who you mean ?
[13:30:59] <av500> I dont know your neighbourhood :)
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[13:31:37] <gst-kaps> av500: hehhehe, sure , I dont have any thats why I asked this forum :)
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[13:32:01] <av500> there are are hidden TI ppl in this forum...
[13:32:24] <av500> but if you unmask one, they will deny everything
[13:33:55] <gst-kaps> av500: ooops
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[13:42:21] <btr_26> hi, I am running openjdk + cacao JVM and the double arithmetic operations are really slow. I think it is not using floating point support from processor?
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[13:48:21] <av500> objdump will tell you
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[13:51:22] <cwillu_at_work> I was under the impression that a beagle only boots off mmc's u-boot if there isn't an appropriate u-boot in flash
[13:51:43] <av500> user button overrides nand
[13:51:46] <cwillu_at_work> assuming the user button isn't pressed
[13:52:09] <av500> user button not pressed, it tries nand 1st
[13:52:15] <cwillu_at_work> :/
[13:52:34] <cwillu_at_work> I get "U-Boot 2010.06-rc2-00035-g1f24126 (Jun 18 2010 - 14:54:20)" without an sd card plugged in
[13:52:34] <av500> if the rom code finds MLO/xloader in nand, it boots it
[13:52:37] <_koen_> unless you have xm
[13:52:42] <av500> otherwise it looks at card
[13:52:43] <cwillu_at_work> not running xm
[13:52:54] <cwillu_at_work> av500, even without user?
[13:52:59] <av500> yes
[13:53:05] <cwillu_at_work> *hate* *hate* *hate*
[13:53:10] <av500> ?
[13:53:43] <cwillu_at_work> means I can't just have a different u-boot on sd to hook into the user button, but instead an actual hacked up mlo
[13:54:03] <av500> the rom code knows nothing about uboot
[13:54:17] <av500> it only knows the order of where to look for MLO
[13:54:22] <cwillu_at_work> sorry, misphrased that
[13:54:33] <cwillu_at_work> I get a perfectly good u-boot coming up with nothing plugged into mmc
[13:54:45] <av500> so, uboot in nand
[13:54:51] <cwillu_at_work> but if I plug this sd card in with a different u-boot, I get the different u-boot even without the user button pressed
[13:55:10] <av500> so, your MLO prefers the sdcard over nand
[13:55:30] <cwillu_at_work> so it is the MLO that's doing that
[13:55:34] <av500> yes
[13:55:45] <av500> rom code loads MLO, then MLO takes over
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[13:57:10] <cwillu_at_work> happen to have a link to mlo's source handy?
[13:57:23] <av500> me? no
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[13:57:26] <koen> it's in the beagel validation repo
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[13:58:01] <cwillu_at_work> okay, thanks
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[13:58:16] <cwillu_at_work> that clears up some (now obviously related) confusion
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[13:59:22] <neo01124> what is the name for the beagle gsoc channel ?
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[14:01:26] <drinkcat> hi all
[14:02:52] <btr_26> hi, I am running openjdk + cacao JVM and performing double arithmetic operations, which are really slow. I think it is not using floating point support from proccessor? Any hint?
[14:03:22] <av500> neo01124: beagleboard-gsoc
[14:03:24] <av500> neo01124: #beagleboard-gsoc
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[14:08:39] <cwillu_at_work> x-load.bin.xft from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ (linked from C3Validation as preferred for C4) is still booting off sd
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[14:11:00] <b7500af1> I don't think the .xft loads from sd, it is the file you write to the NAND. MLO is the x-loader that loads from sd.
[14:11:25] <cwillu_at_work> b7500af1, and yet it's loading from sd
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[14:12:27] <kampower> Hello
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[14:14:00] <cwillu_at_work> okay, so both of the x-load.bin.ift's from the validation page boot off the sd before nand
[14:14:13] <kampower> av500:Hi
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[14:17:02] <cwillu_at_work> koen, http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleboardRevC3Validation is the page I should be looking at, correct?
[14:17:10] <_koen_> no
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[14:17:50] <_koen_> http://gitorious.org/beagleboard-validation
[14:18:10] <cwillu_at_work> google, you have failed me for the last time
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[14:18:17] <av500> bing!
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[14:18:38] <Redb3ard> Hey, I have a dumb question... I keep getting this when I reboot: *** ERROR: Root partition has already been mounted read-write. Cannot check!
[14:18:57] <Redb3ard> Do I have a screwed up fstab or something?
[14:19:04] <cwillu_at_work> Redb3ard, "ro" instead of "rw" on the kernel boot line, or just adjust your distro to not attempt to fsck
[14:19:47] <Redb3ard> I'm not even sure how to access the kernel bootline on this thing. Do I need to create a user.scr or something for that?
[14:20:47] <cwillu_at_work> Redb3ard, I'd suggest getting a serial connection to u-boot, at the very least it helps in getting your scripts sorted out
[14:21:17] <Redb3ard> Yeh, doing that now... the kernel outputs everything to serial.
[14:21:23] <kampower> BThompson: hi
[14:21:41] <cwillu_at_work> Redb3ard, so interrupt it during the u-boot delay
[14:21:55] <cwillu_at_work> Redb3ard, printenv will show everything, you should see the bootargs in there
[14:22:25] <BThompson> kampower: hi
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[14:23:08] <kampower> BThompson: I am running a little survey on this community. You wana help?
[14:23:08] <Redb3ard> mmcroot=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rw
[14:23:11] <Redb3ard> Duh.
[14:23:18] <Redb3ard> Thanks cwillu.
[14:23:26] <Redb3ard> setenv
[14:23:37] <cwillu_at_work> + saveenv, if you want it to stick around
[14:23:37] <kampower> BThompson: I do need just few more responses please
[14:23:48] <BThompson> so you have a survey site somewhere you mean?
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[14:23:56] <Redb3ard> Yeh, that was a wrong screen, heh.
[14:23:59] <kampower> BThompson:yes
[14:24:33] <kampower> BThompson: this link: http://cgi.tu-harburg.de/~somo1774/survey/index.php?sid=19333&newtest=Y&lang=en
[14:25:28] <kampower> BThompson: I do need about five more people from beagleboard to help. it take like 6 minutes
[14:26:04] <jacekowski> hmm, i would help
[14:26:05] <BThompson> i can take a look
[14:26:08] <jacekowski> but you're from germany
[14:26:18] <av500> u dont help germans?
[14:26:26] <jacekowski> no
[14:26:37] <jacekowski> i don't like them
[14:27:17] <cwillu_at_work> koen, there isn't a binary of that anywhere?
[14:27:46] <cwillu_at_work> my eyes kinda glaze over at the "download a signing tool from ti" part :p
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[14:29:24] <kampower> Jacekowski: Please help. I am begging
[14:30:08] <Redb3ard> I think I screwed things up worse, somehow.
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[14:35:36] <kampower> BThompson: Thanks
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[14:41:26] <kampower> Please if the link is asking for password,just copy directly to your browser
[14:41:57] <kampower> jacekowski: I am just a student :)
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[14:42:57] <jacekowski> germany had no mercy for england yesterday
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[14:43:03] <jacekowski> and ball was in the goal
[14:44:32] <ddd> Anybody knows" do the files "libpthread.so.*"(depending on different toolchains) need to be copied into sd card filesystem /lib folder?
[14:45:32] <jacekowski> well, these files should be there
[14:46:01] <av500> jacekowski: lol
[14:48:36] <ddd> jacekowski, the angstrom narcissus fs has them already, but if replace them, the zoom prompt won't come up.
[14:48:48] <_koen_> duh
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[14:49:01] <_koen_> you need to use a toolchain that matches the filesystem
[14:49:33] <_koen_> not try to mess up a perfectly good fs with random libs
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[14:52:50] <ddd> hey, koen, yes, the question is how i know which toolchain version the fs? thanks
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[14:58:14] <ddd> Koen, i.e, i am using 2006q1 and 2008q3 toolchains to build my dspbridge userspaces, whenever i replace the libpthread* with respective ones, the prompt will die, if i use the original libpthread* inside /lib folder in fs, they are fine.
[14:59:27] <mru> maybe using the most broken toolchains ever wasn't such a smart idea
[14:59:57] <_koen_> ddd: well, since you use an angstrom fs, maybe visit the angstrom homepage and read the news items
[15:00:44] <kampower> jacekowski:lol. It was just a game
[15:01:28] <av500> kampower: not to them
[15:03:01] <ogra> jacekowski, come on, every german you ask will happily grant that the game ended 4:2 ;)
[15:03:18] <ogra> (as if that would have changed a thing )
[15:03:38] <kampower> av500: lol. I can immagine.
[15:04:21] <kampower> av500: I should have know the game can impact on my final results lol
[15:04:57] <av500> just use tor to login to irc...
[15:05:21] <av500> and claim u are from north korea, u will have no footbal "issues"...
[15:05:40] <ogra> lol
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[15:10:32] <kampower> Ogra: may be you are the one that can help me with no football issues lol
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[15:13:22] <ogra> well, i'm german so no football issues indeed ;) but i regulary work on ubuntu-arm, not sure how much i'm representative for the typical #beagle guy
[15:14:19] <kampower> Ogra: you can still fill the form, just mention your specific project
[15:14:21] <av500> ogra: I tried to explain to kampower in the past that #beagle is not a project like ubutnu
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[15:15:04] <av500> the hw is desinged by a few ppl only and the SW is all kinds of open source projects, like #oe, ubuntu etc..
[15:15:23] <ogra> yeah
[15:15:57] <kampower> av500: why is the hardware designed by few people. a strategy or a kind of design limitation. pleas explain
[15:16:08] <ogra> well, i'm doing your survey now since i have to wait for a build to finish anyway ... but dont expect any HW answers from me :)
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[15:17:09] <av500> kampower: because not many ppl can design suh hw
[15:17:10] <av500> such
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[15:20:03] <kampower> av500: I see. again this has some governance implications right. What if the community really want to participate?
[15:22:34] <kampower> Ogra: Thanks Ogra.
[15:22:41] <ogra> welcome
[15:23:37] <dm8tbr> haha would be fun to create an hive intelligence meta-engineer by johnny-mnemonic-patching some hundred engineers into a grid
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[15:25:32] <av500> kampower: the HW was there before the community
[15:25:40] <av500> so there was nobody to ask beforehand
[15:25:56] <dm8tbr> ti solved the henn egg problem!
[15:26:16] <av500> kampower: and doing HW in an open source way is REALLY hard
[15:26:38] <kblin> hm? isn't the beagle open source hardware?
[15:26:51] <kblin> as in "you can get the specs and modify them"?
[15:26:56] <av500> kblin: yes
[15:27:12] <kblin> it's hard getting your changes upstream, maybe
[15:27:18] <av500> yes
[15:27:32] <mru> not so much patches welcome there...
[15:27:36] <kblin> but that's true for a lot of software-only projects as well
[15:27:53] <mru> ffmpeg welcomes patches
[15:28:00] <mru> then we rip them to shreds
[15:28:00] <dm8tbr> you could liken it to an embedded linux kernel
[15:28:10] <av500> kblin: yes, but I am trying to explain why the questionaire does not match the beagleboard "project"
[15:28:28] <dm8tbr> you can get the sources, but pushing your kernel upstream to $hardware_vendor of $commercial product...
[15:28:38] <av500> dm8tbr: even the embedded kernel might be patched, you dont patch a piece of HW easily
[15:28:50] <kblin> av500: fair enough
[15:29:21] <mru> my xm looks like it's been patched...
[15:29:32] <dm8tbr> av500: yes, but it's still simmilar in terms of distribution. the patched kernel might not easily distribute. see genX ;)
[15:29:55] <dm8tbr> mru: the return of green-wire?
[15:30:06] <mru> no, the wires are red here :-)
[15:30:18] <kblin> jacekowski: just shush about that damn goal. England owed us one since 1966 ;)
[15:30:42] <ogra> oh my
[15:30:58] <mru> can we please make this a football-free channel?
[15:31:03] <av500> dm8tbr: yes, but again, I was trying to put it into perspective wrt a real community governed open source project....
[15:31:11] <kblin> fair enough
[15:31:25] <dm8tbr> av500: point taken, sure
[15:31:29] <av500> dm8tbr: and not debate the finer details of open and or free
[15:31:37] <dm8tbr> :)
[15:31:38] <mru> your average community wouldn't get far on a hw project
[15:31:44] <dm8tbr> yes, let's leave that to /.
[15:31:46] <mru> just look at the open graphics project
[15:31:53] <av500> ok, back to football then :)
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[15:32:10] <dm8tbr> how well did neuros do...
[15:32:29] <av500> jacekowski: argentina got a free goal too, UK should just pay more bribes :)
[15:32:41] <av500> dm8tbr: evne their hw was not community designed
[15:32:48] <ogra> sshhh dont say UK ... it was england only
[15:32:58] <av500> jaja
[15:33:01] * ogra got whacked for sayinf UK last week
[15:33:16] * av500 whacks ogra for saying UK gain
[15:33:17] <av500> a
[15:33:20] <ogra> lol
[15:33:40] <kblin> av500: but I see what you mean, looking at the survey
[15:33:55] <xvff> has anyone used the LCD expansion header to VGA adapter board from BeagleBoardToys.com? does it work?
[15:34:09] <av500> kblin: that's all I was trying to say :)
[15:34:31] <av500> there is not community here, we all just bitch around all the time on irc :)
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[15:35:35] <kblin> hehe
[15:35:54] <kblin> av500: though I think there's a clear way on getting involved in the hardware design
[15:36:03] <kblin> it starts by getting hired by TI
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[15:39:29] <koen> kblin: not really
[15:39:43] <koen> kblin: the xM incorporates a ton of non-TI feedback
[15:39:52] <koen> e.g. mcbsp headers
[15:40:01] <av500> and a proper serial :)
[15:40:18] <koen> and thanks to soren the reset button doesn't fry the dss anymore
[15:40:38] <mru> reset fry dss?
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[15:42:57] <kampower> av500: I get it now. But users can make changes to the board to meet their specific need right? Though this changes may not be submitted upstream?
[15:43:24] <kblin> kampower: if they fabricate their own board, yeah
[15:43:43] <kblin> koen: but that's more "bug reports" than patches, as I understand
[15:44:11] <akumar> Hi, i am using beagle board (c4)
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[15:44:59] <akumar> i want to flash angstrom on c4, "uImage32"
[15:45:04] <gst-kaps> Can anyone confirm if DVSDK 3.0 beta supports 720p h264/mpeg4 playback on beagle ?
[15:45:22] <kblin> koen: I didn't want to imply that you folks ignored the community
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[15:45:56] <av500> Crofton: bongiorno
[15:46:06] <Crofton> grazie
[15:46:06] <Redb3ard> Ugh. If I mount it ro, it tries to fsck the partition, and that goes horribly wrong.
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[15:46:16] <Crofton> although lots of people speak German here
[15:46:22] <akumar> but it is boot the kernel and load the kernel, but problem: root prompt is not displaying.
[15:46:49] <Redb3ard> fsck, if I allow it, screws up the fat partition somehow, don't ask me why... though deleting the MLO and recopying fixes it.
[15:47:08] <Redb3ard> But it never allows it to boot correctly on the next startup.
[15:48:09] <cwillu_at_work> :/
[15:48:23] <cwillu_at_work> CFG_CMD_MMC=0 is not working as advertised
[15:48:25] * _koen_ wonders what the hell uimage32 is
[15:48:45] <prpplague> hehe
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[15:48:58] <prpplague> koen: morning
[15:49:05] <_koen_> hey mr anders
[15:49:33] <_koen_> prpplague: sakoman should be close to your desk this afternoon
[15:49:44] <cwillu_at_work> koen, x-load from that repository still pulls u-boot off mmc rather than nand (and pulls it fine off nand if there's no mmc); CFG_CMD_MMC is set to 0 in include/configs/omap3530beagle.h, which is what I got the impression I should be setting to make it prefer nand over mmc
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[15:50:19] <gst-kaps> _koen_:any idea if DVSDK 3.0 supports 720p h264/mpeg4 playback on beagle ?
[15:50:24] <cwillu_at_work> the timestamp on x-load is correct (i.e., minutes ago), I'm kinda stumped
[15:50:33] <prpplague> _koen_: so my back was hurting this morning, so i put some muscle rub on. shortly afterwards i rubbed my eyes, and quickly realized i had not washed my hands yet
[15:50:45] <prpplague> _koen_: dandy
[15:50:59] <cwillu_at_work> koen, I ran out of milk this morning, where can I buy some?
[15:51:32] <akumar> details of output on http://pastebin.com/8KNS8C0A and bootargs .
[15:51:55] <av500> _koen_: uimage32 is for the 32bit BB, uimage64 for the 64bit one....
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[15:53:51] <akumar> I am using kernel 2.6.32.
[15:54:53] * ogra wants uimage256 !
[15:54:57] <kblin> hehe
[15:55:03] <kblin> BeagleCray
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[15:55:09] <akumar> please suggest me, where i am doing wrong.
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[15:55:17] <gst-kaps> what the hack is Darkstar Board ?
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[15:57:08] <av500> gst-kaps: special black PCB with OMAP3 that supports black ops
[15:57:47] <gst-kaps> av500: :) I would love to have such blacky blacky
[15:58:19] <gst-kaps> but then only if it shows some blackmagic while working ;-)
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[16:00:09] <koen> prpplague: something like that happens to me after slicing peppers
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[16:05:25] <emeb> koen: a chef I know recommends washing hands _before_ going to the loo in that case. :O
[16:05:38] <akumar> if i am using other C4 beagle board, then all images, rootfs and kernel version are same and also it working fine.
[16:06:27] <akumar> details of other c4 beagle board on http://pastebin.com/wKYx4vY9
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[16:16:12] <koen> akumar: as I said before, don't use saveenv
[16:16:22] <koen> akumar: and your mlo and uboot are really old
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[16:25:27] <Redb3ard> Hey guys, am I dumb or doesn
[16:25:27] <Redb3ard> '
[16:25:43] <Redb3ard> Or doesn't the cell phone network push datetime updates to cell phones?
[16:25:56] <Redb3ard> I expected that there'd be an AT command I could use, but no such luck.
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[16:41:33] <TheUni> koen: any reason you're using pm3.hd rather than confluence?
[16:42:29] <topfs2> for some reason his build can't read the images
[16:42:32] <topfs2> mine can perfectly :)
[16:42:32] <av500> pm3.hd?
[16:43:46] <topfs2> av500, a skin
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[16:46:20] * av500 blames canada
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[16:56:01] <av500> I get "get slim quick" all the time, wonder how it know.... dammit
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[16:58:01] <notzed> hmm, me too ...
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[16:59:51] <Redb3ard> Oh jeebus.
[17:00:08] <Redb3ard> I thought p0 would be the fat partition... no wonder e3fsck was screwing up the boot!
[17:00:20] <Redb3ard> I'll set it back to ro, and do a proper fsck on it.
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[17:10:19] <karan> hey, could anyone let me know of a way to install packages on beagleboard?
[17:10:26] <karan> I'd like to use gcc and opencv
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[17:11:17] <karan> preferable an offline way, since I'm not being able to configure my wifi on beagleboard
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[17:13:19] <av500> use usb2ethernet
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[17:14:24] <koen> TheUni: with the default skin its missing some textures, no idea why
[17:15:23] <TheUni> hmm
[17:15:27] <av500> koen: you should not use cheap off brand texture units...
[17:15:32] <karan> i dont have a usb2ethernet currently.i tried transferring the .ipk file to the beagleboard and then installed it using opkg
[17:15:53] <karan> but it gave me the following error when i tried using gcc : /usr/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.3.3/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: crt1.o: No such file: No such file or directory
[17:16:16] <TheUni> koen: i'll ponk topfs2 about it. would rather not post a video with pm3.hd. all the questions/comments will just be "why not confluence??"
[17:16:51] <topfs2> TheUni, why not just specify that for now loading of the textures in confluence doesn't work?
[17:17:13] <topfs2> But I guess we can fix that first though :)
[17:17:19] <TheUni> topfs2: that's more like it :)
[17:17:23] <topfs2> tbh I don't understand why it fails for koen, works for me
[17:18:32] <koen> might be due to the oom somewherein the build
[17:18:39] <koen> I rebuilt with swap
[17:18:57] <topfs2> you sure there isn't a .xbt somewere in the media dir?
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[17:22:00] <koen> no .xbt in /usr/share
[17:22:33] <koen> topfs2: http://pastebin.com/5s750G4y
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[17:24:16] <topfs2> koen, why do you have a DESTDIR?
[17:24:39] <topfs2> otherwise I don't see anything wrong
[17:25:16] <topfs2> is xM dualcore?
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[17:26:07] <koen> no
[17:26:19] <koen> no -j2 takes ~20 minutes less
[17:26:32] <koen> I have a destdir so I can easily tar it up
[17:27:11] <robtow> koen - do you have experience with building with the power management tree/branch?
[17:27:36] <koen> robtow: the TI PSP kernel includes that by default
[17:27:58] <robtow> koen - how do I specify that kernel in an OE build?
[17:28:08] <koen> the PSP kernel is default
[17:28:20] <koen> for the pm tree you'd need to add a new recipe
[17:28:22] <robtow> Hmm. OK :-)
[17:29:34] <robtow> So the cpufreq tools should be included by default? <puzzled look>
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[17:33:21] <koen> robtow: you are confusing kernel and userspace
[17:34:50] <robtow> koen, yes; I get that the cpufreq tools are in userspace. If I understand you correctly, the facilities they need are in the kernel (x.32?), and I simply need to compile the cpufreq recipe (assuming there is one, I'm looking in the recipes for such now in another window).
[17:35:49] <mru> you can also poke sysfs manually if you prefer
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[17:35:59] <robtow> recipes/cpufreqd ???
[17:36:35] <robtow> mru - you are saying that in reference to power management? :-)
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[17:37:00] <mru> in reference to cpufreq
[17:37:16] <mru> cpufrequtils just reads and writes various sysfs files
[17:37:20] <mru> you can do the same
[17:37:20] <robtow> mru - thanks. Do you have a pointer to a reference on how to do that?
[17:37:20] <av500> /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/
[17:37:25] <koen> robtow: opkg install cpufrequtils
[17:37:27] <av500> robtow: ^^^
[17:37:38] <robtow> koen - thanks.
[17:37:50] <av500> e.g. echo 100000000000 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq
[17:37:55] <av500> e.g. echo 100000000000 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq
[17:38:07] <av500> e.g. echo 100000000000 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq
[17:38:13] <mru> av500: wrong units
[17:38:18] <mru> those are in kHz
[17:38:21] <av500> I used MHz...
[17:38:23] <av500> ;)
[17:38:28] * mru wants a terahertz beagle
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[17:38:46] <av500> and I released the 0-key when I felt it long enough....
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[17:46:40] <robtow> koen - <opkg install cpufrequtils> gives me an error - " * Cannot find package cpufrequtils."
[17:47:31] <koen> did you do opkg update?
[17:47:45] <koen> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?pkgname=cpufrequtils
[17:47:51] <robtow> av500 - the only thing inside </sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0> is "crashnotes"
[17:47:52] <topfs2> koen if I limited down the rendering area (as a dirty region would do) to about 1/4 of 720p I get double the rendering speed. So its not CPU limited
[17:48:01] <robtow> koen - no. Will do.
[17:48:14] <koen> topfs2: sweet
[17:48:32] <topfs2> still not as much increase I would have wanted but its hard to test properly
[17:48:37] <koen> topfs2: remeber that powervr is tile based :)
[17:48:40] <topfs2> atleast it went up significantly, which is a great sign :)
[17:48:45] <topfs2> koen, oh?
[18:06:02] <robtow> koen - same error after opkg update. :-(
[18:06:04] <robtow> pastebin : http://pastebin.com/cUTB4D9E
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[18:06:21] <koen> what I've noticed is <fullscreen> anything will be slow
[18:06:21] <koen> (on the sgx)
[18:06:22] <av500> robtow: then u need to enable the kernel bit as well I guess
[18:06:22] <koen> that's on by default in the angstrom 2.6.32 kernel
[18:06:22] <koen> (cpufreq)
[18:06:22] <koen> topfs2: I'd be happy to test any changes you have
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[18:06:22] <koen> after finishing this rhubard apple crumble, that is
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[18:06:22] <av500> koen: I have no idea, I am on crummy vendor kernel, u know :)
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[18:31:46] <rickdisco> hi
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[18:42:44] <TheUni> mru: ping
[18:42:57] <rickdisco> how does one go about using the rs232 port on the beagle for normal serial comms with another device?
[18:43:11] <TheUni> mru: i have a dozen or so patches queued up, you can take a look at those before i keep going if you'd like to be sure this is worth the effort
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[18:46:35] <jacekowski> rickdisco: disable serial console on it
[18:46:45] <jacekowski> rickdisco: ( just remote option from kernel commandline )
[18:47:21] <jacekowski> rickdisco: and it will be i think /dev/ttyS2
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[18:48:09] <rickdisco> jacekowski: thanks :)
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[19:07:43] <ds2> morning
[19:07:55] <robtow> Hello ds2
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[19:09:30] <av500> ds2: gm
[19:09:43] <ds2> robtow: has your sub returned home yet?
[19:12:52] <robtow> ds2 - field trials went very well.
[19:13:10] <robtow> I'm working to get some of the results on our public website.
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[19:14:11] <ds2> robtow: publish the tracking info so someone can shoot automated foam darts at it ;)
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[19:14:24] <robtow> :-p
[19:15:00] <Beagle8> GLES2/gl2.h: No such file or directoryquestion about installing gles... in trying to make xbmc, I get:
[19:15:16] <Beagle8> sorry... messed that up
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[19:15:30] <Beagle8> GLES2/gl2.h: No such file or directory is thrown upon an attempt at building xbmc
[19:15:35] <djlewis_> gm
[19:15:46] <Beagle8> don't have the gles dev files
[19:15:57] <djlewis_> karan: did you build task-native-sdk?
[19:16:29] <Beagle8> is there a write up around on installing the gles files?
[19:16:30] <karan> nope
[19:16:43] <karan> what is that?
[19:16:59] <Beagle8> opengl-es, that is....
[19:17:14] <djlewis_> karan: the tolchain
[19:17:17] <djlewis_> toolchain
[19:17:33] <ds2> use cat, write in assembly.
[19:17:34] <karan> no, I just used the angstrom demo mage
[19:17:36] <ds2> no toolchains.
[19:17:56] <topfs2> Beagle8, if you have built it via narcissus you must tick in gles libraries
[19:18:02] <topfs2> it really sounds like you haven't
[19:18:15] <Beagle8> i didn't see that as an option
[19:18:27] <topfs2> Its way down
[19:18:41] * av500 waves to djlewis_
[19:18:54] <topfs2> Platform specific packages:
[19:19:02] <topfs2> PowerVR SGX drivers for OMAP3
[19:19:14] <topfs2> those are for gles
[19:19:16] <Beagle8> thx... checking now... had them installed at one point, but reinstalled a new image over the weekend
[19:19:45] * djlewis_ waves to av500 :)
[19:19:49] <Beagle8> will redo the SD card...
[19:20:09] <karan> djlewis_, is there a way to install gcc and opencv using narcissus ?
[19:20:15] <djlewis_> karan: the toolchain has all the needed parts.
[19:20:41] <karan> ok
[19:20:53] <djlewis_> karan: if you can get a gcc ipk you can get a task-native-sdk.ipk
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[19:21:32] <djlewis_> karan: you can go with narcissus and add the toolchain if you like.
[19:22:26] <djlewis_> narcissus and I dont get along well. I can never seem to select the right parts.
[19:23:20] <karan> ok, i found a gcc-cross-sdk package on angstrom site
[19:23:22] <karan> is that it?
[19:23:30] <karan> iv already installed the other gcc packages
[19:23:42] <djlewis_> I am not familiar with that.
[19:24:24] <karan> ok
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[19:26:30] <Beagle8> topfs2: maybe doing somthing wrong here.... the image being built in narcissus shows a red 'x' next to libgles-omap3-dev
[19:27:21] <Beagle8> but a green check next to libgles-omap3
[19:28:25] <topfs2> no clue, it worked when I did it
[19:28:36] <Beagle8> k...
[19:28:36] <topfs2> granted, a week or more ago
[19:28:48] <djlewis_> karan: if all else fails, you can get a narcissus with toolchain and opencv built in.
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[19:29:19] <karan> ok
[19:29:27] <topfs2> Beagle8, you need to tick in beagleboard GSoC in development aswell
[19:29:43] <karan> djlewis_, i tried building opencv using narcissus but it only installed the opencv-samples
[19:30:03] <topfs2> PowerVR SGX drivers for OMAP3 thats the important one in platform. But perhaps kernel have been updated in the rep
[19:30:11] <Cru_N_cher> http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/4527/hdxbonepcbbottom.jpg <- this little pcb can provide full 1080p High profile experience its amazing :)
[19:30:54] <av500> Cru_N_cher: so?
[19:30:54] <topfs2> looks like the size of the crystal hd
[19:30:56] <Cru_N_cher> and its a old ARM11 architecture just cleverly combined with a Hardware Video Decoder by Telechips :)
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[19:31:05] <av500> cleverly?
[19:31:31] <koen> Cru_N_cher: smartq v7?
[19:31:47] <Cru_N_cher> HDX Bone a new full HD small Media Player :)
[19:31:56] <djlewis_> karan: when you put your narcissus together there was an option to build in opencv and the native oolchain.
[19:32:07] <Cru_N_cher> they started to use it now for that purpose before it was used in PMPs :)
[19:32:22] <djlewis_> if you did not thsn it is opkg install 'package'
[19:32:28] <av500> Cru_N_cher: does it decode VP8? :)
[19:32:30] <Redb3ard> What's changed that makes this set of instructions not work? http://wh1t3s.com/2009/05/14/reading-beagleboard-gpio/
[19:32:57] <Cru_N_cher> av500 nope but the engineers say they can implement anything new ;)
[19:33:02] <Cru_N_cher> if it's needed
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[19:33:35] <djlewis_> karan: networking is really a sweet tool to have working.
[19:34:13] <karan> yeah, i know .. i just couldn't seem to configure my belkin wifi dongle .. and i dont seem to have a usb2ethernet either :(
[19:34:32] <Cru_N_cher> topfs2 that chip @ the same time can run Android its a complete solution :) 5W
[19:35:39] <Cru_N_cher> the source for the BSP of telechip is also out :)
[19:35:52] <av500> go get it
[19:36:38] <karan> djlewis_, i used the toolchain, but when i compile my program, it can't seem to find my stdio.h file
[19:38:14] <Cru_N_cher> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkDinK5Wm5Y
[19:38:29] <Cru_N_cher> you can see that the ARM11 shows on the Android side :)
[19:39:15] <karan> ok, its getting the file now
[19:39:32] <ds2> ewwwww Android ;)
[19:40:22] <djlewis_> cool
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[19:41:20] * av500 watches boring video
[19:42:25] <djlewis_> av500: try some porn...
[19:42:43] <av500> paste an url, I'll give it a go...
[19:42:55] <djlewis_> lol
[19:43:29] <Redb3ard> Yeh, I can get this script to run if I try gpio 139, but it claims that it's staying high no matter what.
[19:43:34] <djlewis_> karan: start simple with openCV to see if it works first.
[19:44:10] <karan> djlewis_, the problem is, i cant even get gcc to work
[19:44:33] <karan> even to include the standard files like stdio, i have to use the -I option
[19:44:46] <karan> and even after that it cant compile it
[19:45:05] <karan> i think its missing the libc6-dev package
[19:45:17] <djlewis_> karan: normally a clean Demo install with task-native-sdk will just work.
[19:45:59] <karan> djlewis_, i dont quiet understand what task-native-sdk is
[19:46:17] <djlewis_> karan: recently I read that if you locally install a ipk it may not setup the depends.
[19:47:07] <karan> djlewis_, ok .. i think that might be the problem
[19:47:31] <rickdisco> djlewis_: correct. a local install of opkg install filename.ipk does not resolve dependencies
[19:48:39] <karan> djlewis_, but i installed the angstrom demo image .. what do i have to do to install it with task-native sdk?
[19:49:00] <djlewis_> you need that networking thing ;)
[19:51:17] <karan> djlewis_, should i check "all kernel modules" in narcissus?
[19:51:34] <karan> i;ve checked the toolchain and natve sdk .. i hadnt checked them earlier :D
[19:52:01] <karan> but earlier my beagleboard had been causing problems while booting when using the "all kernel modules"
[19:55:06] <djlewis_> karan: 14:22] <djlewis_> narcissus and I dont get along well. I can never seem to select the right parts.
[19:55:16] <djlewis_> hint hint
[19:55:35] <karan> djlewis_, :D
[19:59:07] <Beagle8> topfs2: definitely checked the boxes ;-) unfortunately, narcissus appears to be unhappy
[19:59:28] <Beagle8> it won't give me libgles-omap3-dev
[19:59:35] <av500> Beagle8: give it a mirror
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[20:01:28] <topfs2> Sorry to hear that Beagle8. If I had an image I'd gladly send it to you but I removed it :S
[20:02:08] <Beagle8> av500: how can one provide a mirror to narcissus?
[20:02:35] <av500> a pool of water might do
[20:02:52] <Beagle8> hah
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[20:06:09] <Beagle8> i can get at the ipk files... but there are dependencies of dependencies
[20:06:22] <Beagle8> so... not too much fun there.
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[20:06:57] <topfs2> Beagle you could try just ticking in the LinuxTag demo, it should have the gles aswell
[20:07:07] <Beagle8> okey dokey
[20:07:11] <karan> djlewis_, thanks,,.. atleast gcc is working now
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[20:12:11] <rickdisco> jacekowski: how do i remove the remote option?
[20:12:33] <av500> remove, not remote
[20:12:39] <av500> (typo)
[20:12:59] <rickdisco> lol
[20:13:00] <av500> remove the console=ttyS2,.... from kernel command line
[20:13:00] <rickdisco> ta
[20:13:05] <av500> np
[20:13:22] <rickdisco> so i just do a setenv bootargs and overwrite the current one ?
[20:13:37] <av500> something like that
[20:13:47] <av500> but you will lose the serial console of course
[20:14:03] <rickdisco> yeah thats fine
[20:14:33] <rickdisco> unless there is a smarter way of doing normal serial comms to the beagle without doing that
[20:15:05] <av500> there is another serial on the expansion header IIRC
[20:17:17] <rickdisco> i see
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[20:31:03] <Beagle8> looks like there is an unsatisfied dependency ... xcb-proto...
[20:31:09] <Beagle8> on narcissus
[20:31:52] <Beagle8> in trying to manually install each package, that's the one they don't seem to have and is req'd
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[20:32:55] <Beagle8> just guessing that their distro maker quits when it hits the unsatisfied dependency
[20:33:08] <Beagle8> oh well.
[20:33:17] <Beagle8> will have to get the code from TI I think
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[20:38:56] <Cru_N_cher> topfs2 i guess XBMC Arm could would have enough power running on the Telechips Platform wouldn't it ?
[20:38:56] <Cru_N_cher> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJvNLtY-u7k
[20:39:00] <Cru_N_cher> seeing it soon on these mini devices would be awesome :)
[20:39:21] <Cru_N_cher> instead of Telechips own standard interface
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[20:41:14] <Cru_N_cher> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9SBlRYDGSY <- most of the 3D stuff the Telechip supports is not being utilized
[20:42:57] <karan> djlewis_, installing opencv using narcissus seems to give only the opencv libs and samples, not the include files!
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[20:45:14] <karan> should i try to transfer them manually?
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[20:49:52] <CruNcher> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BMlqXsymBY <- hmm i guess we will see more of that interfaces for these Telechip players :)
[20:54:10] <koen> karan: headers are in -dev
[20:54:59] <bkinman> Where can i find information on reading from the ADCs in linux?
[20:55:54] <koen> google?
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[20:56:26] <karan> koen, doesn't narcissus install the headers too?
[20:58:28] <djlewis_> my work here keeps finding me
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[21:00:30] <djlewis_> karan: not in front of me but there might be a opencv-devs-something.ipk
[21:01:13] <karan> yes , there is
[21:02:12] <karan> shoulld i install the depends and recommends as well?
[21:02:49] <djlewis_> the dev has the headers
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[21:04:51] <koen> karan: only if you instruct it to
[21:05:50] <karan> ok
[21:06:30] <karan> i think i should just get the networking working
[21:06:36] <karan> can you help me set up the wifi?
[21:06:41] <karan> i have a belkin wifi dongle
[21:06:48] <djlewis_> yep, auto dep config is nice.
[21:08:06] <rickdisco> anyone know how to turn off the serial console in angstrom?
[21:10:43] * djlewis_ is busy at present...
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[21:18:23] <djlewis_> karan: if you need help just ask, someone might step up to the bat :)
[21:18:40] * djlewis_ is still having work related moments ;P
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[21:21:31] <ds2> ewwww CE integration
[21:23:11] <bkinman> Seriously, im not having any ADC love? Anybody here used the ADC on the beagleboard/OMAP3?
[21:24:36] <prpplague> hmm, i didn't think any of the ADC's were on the expansion header
[21:25:28] <Redb3ard> This is weird. I'm trying to use gpio 139, and whenever I click the button, it hangs and a minute later it reboots.
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[21:25:53] <Redb3ard> That one's not tied to reset or the watchdog or something, is it?
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[21:27:29] <prpplague> Redb3ard: gpio_139 is muxed with the 2nd mmc slot, depending on how you have the pinmux you could be causing a high current short
[21:28:11] <prpplague> Redb3ard: how do you have the button connected?
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[21:28:45] <Redb3ard> I've been using this software, or trying to http://wh1t3s.com/2009/05/14/reading-beagleboard-gpio/, and I just have a pull up and a simple contact type switch. No hardware debouncing or anything.
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[21:29:48] <Redb3ard> I'm using 10k, ping 28 as ground, pin 1 as vcc, and pin 3 (139). I've triple checked it, the hardware itself seems ok.
[21:30:35] <Redb3ard> The pins are seated correctly.
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[21:32:26] <prpplague> Redb3ard: so you have a 10k connecting pin 3 to pin 1 ? and pin1 connected to one side of the button, and the other side to ground?
[21:33:22] <Redb3ard> Yes.
[21:33:35] <Redb3ard> I didn't do the soldering, but looking at it, it seems to match the schematic.
[21:34:37] <Redb3ard> He used two resistors, we didn't have any 10k for some reason. Engineering student, I'm assuming he used the correct ones. I think he said 220s in parallel.
[21:35:07] * prpplague wonders who doesn't stock 10k resistors
[21:35:18] <Redb3ard> We've checked it with the meter, I think the device is good. I've reseated it several times, carefully, to make sure I don't have it plugged in askew.
[21:35:39] <Redb3ard> They stock everything, practically... I guess they've run out.
[21:36:08] <prpplague> Redb3ard: 10k isn't something you should run out of, hehe, can you take a picture of your device?
[21:37:46] <ds2> heh
[21:38:03] <ds2> what's next, a world wide shortage of 1K resistors and 0.1uF caps? ;)
[21:38:11] <prpplague> ds2: hehe
[21:38:31] <Redb3ard> Heh.
[21:38:55] <prpplague> ds2: "due the shortage, everyone must make due with multiples of 220 Ohm"
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[21:40:41] <djlewis_> ooh, a series parallel combination
[21:40:54] <ds2> interview question }:-)
[21:41:48] <ds2> derive the resistance forumula for N-parallel Resistor, R1...RN ;)
[21:41:51] <Redb3ard> http://imgur.com/s2sA7.jpg
[21:42:01] <Redb3ard> My cell phone sucks.
[21:42:06] * prpplague looks
[21:42:20] <ds2> 3D photo?
[21:42:22] <ds2> :D
[21:42:27] <prpplague> Redb3ard: hehe, not very useful, hehe
[21:42:50] <Redb3ard> Well, it's the only camera I have, except the macbook's webcam.
[21:42:59] <Redb3ard> Pretty sure that'll turn out worse.
[21:43:22] <djlewis_> I need to clean my glasses
[21:44:09] <prpplague> Redb3ard: don't do it so close, and take it directly over head
[21:45:01] <prpplague> djlewis_: after looking at that picture, i think i need to clean my eyes
[21:45:12] <djlewis_> lol
[21:45:29] <Redb3ard> Dude, it wasn't lemonparty.
[21:45:39] <Redb3ard> It was just my shitty cell phone camera.
[21:45:42] <djlewis_> prpplague: still feeling those peppers?
[21:45:59] <prpplague> Redb3ard: just joking around, no offense intended
[21:46:13] <prpplague> djlewis_: actually it was muscle rub
[21:46:26] <Redb3ard> I'm a cheapskate, I've had it for 3 years now, and it was old even then, I think.
[21:46:49] <Redb3ard> http://imgur.com/CfoCs.jpg This isn't any better.
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[21:47:47] <prpplague> Redb3ard: somewhat, looks like you have alot more going on that just the button
[21:48:03] <ds2> I suspect if you take it apart and change the focus of the lense, it'll get better
[21:48:37] <Redb3ard> Haha. I don't think those things even come apart.
[21:48:51] <prpplague> Redb3ard: everything comes apart, just a matter of the right tools
[21:48:52] <ds2> that or you need a macrolense
[21:49:20] <prpplague> Redb3ard: i suspect you have a wiring issue, looks like you are using some sort of custom breakout board
[21:49:29] <Redb3ard> No, everything doesn't.
[21:49:39] <Redb3ard> I took apart a Verizon Aircard the other day...
[21:49:43] <prpplague> Redb3ard: i assume the button is on the other end of the RJ connection?
[21:49:46] <Redb3ard> They're designed to never come apart.
[21:50:10] <Redb3ard> Yes, it's a rain gauge switch, a little plastic teeter totter.
[21:50:22] <Redb3ard> It clicks the switch each time it moves back and forth.
[21:50:40] <prpplague> Redb3ard: my suggestion to you is to take a step back
[21:51:03] <Redb3ard> How so?
[21:51:26] <prpplague> Redb3ard: i suspect you have two problems, one is probably a wiring issue, and the second is you probably have a blocked irq which is causing the reset
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[21:51:45] <ds2> for sanity purposes, I'd try using 1206's instead of the throughhole resistors
[21:51:47] <prpplague> Redb3ard: i would go back and start with JUST the resistor and button on the header
[21:51:49] <Redb3ard> Ok, on that second one... any idea what would cause that?
[21:52:11] <Redb3ard> Even if I only short the two rj11 pins together, I get the same.
[21:52:12] <prpplague> Redb3ard: if you must, go to radio shack and get a pack of resistors, they are only $5
[21:52:21] <ds2> also, you are keeping in mind that you should _NOT_ draw any appreciable current on the VDDIO1.8
[21:52:24] <ds2> right?
[21:52:35] <Redb3ard> What's appreciable?
[21:52:52] <ds2> try not to exceed 1mA
[21:53:17] <Redb3ard> Oh. I'm probably higher than that, I think this might be 5 or something like that. I'll go check.
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[21:59:29] <ds2> chuck in a 1.8V LDO
[21:59:39] <Redb3ard> The EE is gonna put a cap on it somewhere. I don't pretend to understand.
[21:59:52] <Redb3ard> He says I'm well below 1mA though.
[22:02:43] <ds2> I'd try it using the internal pull up
[22:02:48] <ds2> less wiring and less things that can go wrong
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[22:04:22] <Redb3ard> When I search the manual for "internal pullup" I get two pages that neither have that phrase.
[22:05:49] <prpplague> ds2: 1mA ? i thought it 20mA ?
[22:05:52] <emeb> Redb3ard: Last week I pointed you to the section in the TRM where the pullups were described. Didn't you see that?
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[22:06:19] <ds2> prpplague: I didn't think that rail can safely source 20mA... 1mA is a conservative figure I use before tossing in a LDO
[22:06:28] <prpplague> Redb3ard: or you could just invest in a trainer board, that would make it all sooooooo easy
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[22:06:51] * emeb suggested that too...
[22:07:02] <prpplague> ds2: i've run plenty of just gpio buttons without an LDO, but i normally use one as well
[22:07:25] <ds2> prpplague: I've done plenty of GPIO buttons using the internal pull up.. it avoids the whole issue.
[22:07:26] <prpplague> Redb3ard: you could have been done in about 10 minutes with the trainer
[22:07:32] <prpplague> ds2: indeed
[22:07:45] <ds2> I do seem to recall Mr G saying to not pull much current on that rail
[22:08:05] * djlewis_ likes life simple
[22:08:06] <prpplague> ds2: yea, my notes from Gerald says no more than 20mA
[22:08:12] <ds2> the trainer won't help much if the stuff upstairs is empty
[22:08:32] <djlewis_> ooh...
[22:08:42] <Redb3ard> No, I didn't see that, sorry emeb.
[22:08:43] <prpplague> ds2: well, most of the hard work is done, has the ldo, does level shift, has the gpio already exported
[22:09:02] <emeb> section 7.4.4 of spruf98f.pdf for details on pin muxing and pulls.
[22:09:05] <ds2> level shift is overkill for buttons
[22:09:36] <prpplague> ds2: yes it is over kill if you know what you are doing, if you don't it is a safetly line
[22:09:54] <prpplague> ds2: hobby/arduino market is a whole different place
[22:10:13] <ds2> prpplague: you can say the same thing about easy bake ovens... one gotta take the leap to use a real oven!
[22:10:24] <emeb> "why does it stop working when I put 12V in?"
[22:10:32] <prpplague> ds2: hehe, we've had this conversation before
[22:10:39] <ds2> indeed
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[22:11:20] <djlewis_> deja vu
[22:11:38] <emeb> all over again
[22:11:42] <Redb3ard> Does anyone have a link to spruf98f.pdf ?
[22:11:54] <Redb3ard> The first two pages of google don't have it.
[22:12:10] <ds2> emeb: don't you regret being so specific... reading the TRM from cover to cover would have been quite useful
[22:12:30] <Redb3ard> I'd still be reading it, chances are.
[22:12:35] <Redb3ard> So it's not as if time was lost.
[22:12:54] <ds2> understanding is very important
[22:13:57] <prpplague> Redb3ard: please let me suggest you purchase a trainer, i think it would benefit you http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoard_Trainer
[22:13:58] <Redb3ard> Understanding in the way you mean is probably impossible for me without 2 or 3 years of college that I do not have.
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[22:14:19] <ds2> BAH, that is selling yourself short
[22:14:27] <Redb3ard> Nah, that's being honest.
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[22:14:48] <Redb3ard> I know amps times volts = watts. I have a vague inkling of what caps and resistors do.
[22:15:13] <Redb3ard> I understand digital logic nicely, but not really how an electronic component is used to do the logic.
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[22:16:25] <prpplague> Redb3ard: i specifically designed the trainer to make it easy for projects like you are doing
[22:16:33] <Redb3ard> I've got half a dozen projects, I can't even get the device that we'd need, and if we do decide to go with it, we're having to look at fabbing the damn thing because no one sells it commercially.
[22:16:54] <ds2> what do you need? :D
[22:17:08] <ds2> adding a button is pretty much trivial
[22:17:11] <Redb3ard> An XM.
[22:17:18] <ds2> BAH
[22:17:22] <ds2> that abomination ;D
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[22:17:32] <Redb3ard> Or mini-box.com's arm board.
[22:17:42] <Redb3ard> But they won't even have engineering samples until August.
[22:17:51] <ds2> the beagle works fine
[22:17:51] <djlewis_> XM is WAY overkill for what you described
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[22:18:04] <djlewis_> the BB is way overkill
[22:18:24] <emeb> Redb3ard: try this: http://www.ti.com/litv/pdf/spruf98g
[22:18:42] <emeb> TI is constantly (roughly monthly) moving that thing around on their website.
[22:18:43] <djlewis_> working emeb 's fingers to the bone...
[22:18:50] <Redb3ard> For a machine that interfaces with a cell modem, a usb radio, a usb LCD screen, has several custom i2c sensors on it, a usb voltmeter...
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[22:18:54] <Redb3ard> I need the XM.
[22:19:03] <emeb> Don't think I've found it twice in the same place...
[22:19:04] <Redb3ard> I need it so we can start working on plastics for the thing.
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[22:19:25] <Redb3ard> Thanks emeb.
[22:19:43] <emeb> Redb3ard: go git 'er now, before they change their mind. :)
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[22:19:54] <Redb3ard> Yeh, this machine is way overkill. But our pic32 custom board is even more problematic.
[22:20:07] <Redb3ard> emeb, downloading now. Gonna rename it so I don't lose it.
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[22:20:35] <Redb3ard> If mini-ITX atom boards didn't want 15 watts, we'd already be using them.
[22:20:50] <djlewis_> look at pico yet?
[22:21:07] <djlewis_> way overkill :)
[22:21:15] <Redb3ard> Not much better. Found one at $229 but still was at 12 watts.
[22:21:31] <Redb3ard> Even with cpu throttling and other optimizations, I don't think I could pare that down enough.
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[22:21:52] <Redb3ard> Hoping we can get the XMs cheaper than $179 in volume, but even if we can't, it's still worth it.
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[22:22:35] <emeb> Redb3ard: how many do you think you'll need?
[22:22:42] <Redb3ard> 2500 a year.
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[22:22:58] <Redb3ard> We projected that for this year, but falling a little short because we were late out of the gate.
[22:23:01] <emeb> I seem to recall Gerald saying that beagleboard.org wasn't going to sell them in volume to end users.
[22:23:03] <Redb3ard> Growing season had already started.
[22:23:14] <Redb3ard> We might need more next year.
[22:23:25] <emeb> IOW, if you want to use it in a product then you'll have to find your own source.
[22:23:27] <Redb3ard> I know. We're going to have to fab them ourselves.
[22:23:39] <Redb3ard> Vertex in Austin does most of our boards.
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[22:24:21] <emeb> sounds like your set then. If/when you can get the design collateral...
[22:24:36] <Redb3ard> Yeh... but if I have to wait til November...
[22:24:59] <Redb3ard> I think I like the XM better than Ituner's board. They have one usb per side, rather than stacking them like the XM.
[22:25:12] <Redb3ard> The placement of the expansion header is better on the beagle too.
[22:25:51] <Redb3ard> I really have to have a polished product by January, and I don't know that's feasible unless the XM is available soon.
[22:27:40] <ds2> neither XMs nor Beagle boards are for production use in a production.
[22:29:47] <Redb3ard> Hence me talking about fabbing boards.
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[22:30:44] <djlewis_> heading out... :)
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[22:35:46] <Redb3ard> Does it offend ds2 that we'd consider using the board for production?
[22:39:37] <CruNcher> koen did you brake up the youtube upload of that big xbmc arm move ?
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[23:18:00] <emeb> ds2: what would you think about a device driver for the McBSP similar to spidev?
[23:18:32] <ds2> emeb: why? I didn't think spidev was that useful to start with
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[23:19:18] <emeb> ds2: I'm trying to think of good ways to get large streams of data out of beagle onto external HW.
[23:19:25] <ds2> emeb: the older TI reference kernel had a test routine in the McBSP library..that was useful when I had to muck with it
[23:19:38] <emeb> interesting.
[23:19:47] <ds2> emeb: ah... what do you do when it is idle? error out or?
[23:19:56] <emeb> spidev is pretty handy for my app of configuring my FPGA
[23:20:21] <emeb> ds2: good question - probably 0 stuff?
[23:22:08] <ds2> emeb: I think that is the one of the "problem areas"; there is no way to keep things in sync in userland... you either overrun or underrun
[23:22:24] <ds2> YES! my recipe no longer blows up... @#%$!#$@$%#@$ OE
[23:22:36] <emeb> the audio API has some good buffer management techniques, no?
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[23:23:18] <emeb> ds2: trying to get OE to do your bidding?
[23:23:35] <ds2> emeb: trying to appease some folks who insist on using OE
[23:24:00] <ds2> emeb: sort of... it provides some way of telling you that things are AFU
[23:24:28] <ds2> emeb: holding down the OE fort while the OE guy is out so...
[23:24:36] <emeb> ds2: big fun...
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[23:25:27] <emeb> ds2: yeah - the buffer mgmt needs some thought.
[23:25:28] <ds2> emeb: despite my views on things, i seem to be the most qualified person to do it :(
[23:25:50] <emeb> ds2: He knows OE and that's why he dislikes it...
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[23:26:04] <ds2> emeb: eh?
[23:26:43] <emeb> ds2: I was under the impression you'd prefer to do things at a somewhat lower level than OE.
[23:26:57] <djlewis> me too
[23:27:13] <ds2> emeb: yes, I definitely would... my normal arrangement is I cough up stuff for the OE folks if they so choose to do so
[23:27:38] <emeb> ds2: hand 'em patches and let them figure out the recipe incantations.
[23:28:01] * emeb still hasn't tried to make a recipe
[23:28:15] <ds2> emeb: yes, I normally do that... but they guy that does this is out for 2 weeks so I have to hold down the fort and cough up recipes too
[23:28:35] <ds2> I much rather be coughing up schematics instead
[23:28:41] <ds2> even power supply schematics
[23:28:54] <emeb> real engineers draw schematics...
[23:29:27] <emeb> not just this typety typety stuff...
[23:29:32] <ds2> now if only TI would fix their estore
[23:29:35] <djlewis> emeb, you saying coughing them up is messy;)
[23:29:58] <emeb> djlewis: sounds uncomfortable.
[23:30:17] <emeb> ds2: what's wrong with the estore, other than it's slow as molasses?
[23:30:45] * emeb ordered a couple msp430 boards last week and knows whereof he speaks.
[23:31:21] <djlewis> my theory on that is they are fishing for a build qty.
[23:31:51] <djlewis> get the orders then build them
[23:32:11] <emeb> sounds like a good theory.
[23:32:40] <emeb> So, a few weeks back the ethernet dongle I was using on the beagle up-n-died (srsly!)
[23:32:52] <emeb> Been g_ether-ing since
[23:32:55] <ds2> emeb: it fails for payment collection
[23:33:14] <emeb> ds2: Hmm - borked on the credit-card?
[23:33:28] <ds2> emeb: yep... complains that it can't contact their payment processor
[23:33:41] <djlewis> took mine easily
[23:33:50] <emeb> ds2: that's a new one. I didn't have that problem.
[23:34:11] <djlewis> I read non US customers are having problems
[23:34:14] <ds2> Unable to authorize payment: Error reading from 'https://www.ti-estore.=
[23:34:15] <ds2> com/auth.asp': Invalid HTTP response
[23:34:21] <ds2> that was the error :(
[23:34:51] <emeb> someone needs to check their webserver...
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[23:35:35] <emeb> For ethernet replacement I ordered one of these: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.2797
[23:36:07] <emeb> showed up today - identifies as dm9601' usb-0000:00:02.0-3, Davicom DM9601 USB Ethernet
[23:36:10] <ds2> emeb: heh, I got the same thing... hadn't had a need to try it
[23:36:46] <emeb> will be interesting to see if beagle sees it too.
[23:36:46] <djlewis> well you guys do so we can know if it works
[23:37:11] <djlewis> beagle sees some devices it wont talk to at present
[23:37:13] <ds2> I did get some nice WiFi sticks from them that appears to work
[23:37:26] <emeb> ds2: which WiFi did you get?
[23:37:43] <emeb> I got one of these: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.33997
[23:37:50] <emeb> but it's a bit too bleeding edge.
[23:37:51] <ds2> emeb: nI couldn't point it out to you w/o looking up the P/N...their website lists about 20 different ones in the same case
[23:38:07] <emeb> driver isn't in the .32 kernel yet.
[23:38:13] <emeb> but there are apparently patches.
[23:38:24] <ds2> that's a ralink?
[23:38:42] <emeb> RTL8188S WLAN Adapter usb 1-4: Manufacturer: Manufacturer Realtek
[23:39:07] <djlewis> emeb, march it was thought to be a DM9601
[23:39:44] <ds2> emeb: I think that driver is in the .32 kernel
[23:39:44] <emeb> djlewis: which? the Ethernet I got is a DM9601
[23:39:54] <ds2> at least I recall seeing it in the Ubuntu .32
[23:40:06] <djlewis> yes, the link you posted for the wired
[23:40:28] <emeb> djlewis: yep - it's still that.
[23:40:34] <ds2> djlewis: get an ASIX based one..those work great
[23:40:42] <djlewis> I see, I missed you switched to wlan
[23:40:55] <emeb> ds2: interesting - I'll have to do some more digging.
[23:41:07] <emeb> djlewis: yep - we turn on a dime here. :)
[23:41:08] * ds2 considers switching the topic to WWAN to stir the pot ;)
[23:41:22] <djlewis> while I was reading about your device
[23:41:29] <djlewis> on dealextreme
[23:42:11] <emeb> djlewis: also got one of these for funsies: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.23032
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[23:42:40] <emeb> basically same guts as the Ben Nanonote (w/o qwerty kbd)
[23:43:02] <emeb> but better integrated SW
[23:43:29] <djlewis> interesting, its main language is chinese
[23:44:07] <emeb> but that is a selectable option in one of the menus.
[23:44:25] <djlewis> looks like it could be fun
[23:44:32] <emeb> and they must switch 'em to English when they ship to USA
[23:44:44] <emeb> I hope so.
[23:45:14] <emeb> Looks like you can dual-boot (via u-boot) between their proprietary OS and a version of Linux called 'dingux'
[23:45:16] <djlewis> does that a-320 reflect anything inside?
[23:45:54] <emeb> djlewis: I don't think a-320 means anything.
[23:46:01] <ds2> emeb: that thing runs Linux?
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[23:46:23] <emeb> ds2: Not as shipped, but it's possible to install 'dingux' on it as a dual-boot
[23:46:37] <ds2> emeb: what chip?
[23:47:00] <emeb> It's a MIPS architecture - JZ4740 I think...
[23:47:21] <ds2> know if it is MMU enabled?
[23:47:42] <emeb> ds2: AFAIK yes
[23:48:01] <ds2> Hmmm, tempting to get one
[23:48:22] <emeb> There's a full development toolchain available
[23:48:31] <emeb> Uses SDL for most gfx stuff
[23:48:50] <djlewis> gotta feed the canines, and me...
[23:49:13] <emeb> http://www.dingux.com/2009/07/system-installation-pack-and-toolchain.html
[23:49:53] <Redb3ard> Hey, ds2... I'm not offending you when I suggest we may well use the Beagle for a commercial product, am I?
[23:50:55] <ds2> Redb3ard: I have no interest one way or another
[23:51:05] <Redb3ard> Just wanted to be sure.
[23:51:26] <ds2> Redb3ard: if you want, i'd be happy to provide commercial support too ;)
[23:52:01] <Redb3ard> What degree do you have? We'd probably hire you, assuming you're willing to move here.
[23:52:20] <ds2> I'm a EE...move? hahah
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