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IRC Log for 2010-06-30

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[00:36:39] <Lioric> has anybody purchased, or at least seen a beagleboardtoy's vga module? is this module ever being produced?
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[00:41:47] <mcookcomcast> koen: did you use the narcissus build to test with the xbmc package you created?
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[02:31:28] <new2bb> hi
[02:31:52] <djlewis> howdy
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[02:36:02] <new2bb> is it correct link to fetch:fetch http://install.source.dir.local/ti_cgt_c6000_6.1.9_setup_linux_x86.bin
[02:36:42] <new2bb> while running :bitbake beagleboard-linuxtag2010-demo-image
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[02:47:06] <new2bb> did any 1 hs faced such error, can u direct me to the, correct link to fetch ti_cgt_c6000_6.1.9_setup_linux_x86.bin
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[05:04:16] <Cru_N_cher> raster Asus is going to release a Samsung based Media Player soon :) it's done with the PMP/Settop boxed version of the S5PC100 capable of 1080p playback :)
[05:06:34] <Cru_N_cher> seems Asus is driving 2 ways Realtek (for the cheaper) and Samsung for the more expensiver Media Player i guess for Android use :)
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[05:13:11] <raster> Cru_N_cher: makes sense
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[05:20:54] <hitlin37> does BB rev 3 support USB high speed.
[05:21:13] <Cru_N_cher> and indeed what you can read about the tegra2 is it's limited to 10 mbits peak bitrate @ 1080p
[05:23:02] <Cru_N_cher> at least that's what a Nvidia guy told a user of the Xbmc forum @ ces
[05:24:00] <raster> Cru_N_cher: well for a long time soc';s have been trying to get to the holy grail of 1080p decode
[05:24:13] <raster> they have now managed to get there - but they come with limitations like you say
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[05:24:18] <raster> 10mbit for example
[05:24:32] <Cru_N_cher> not all come with such limitations
[05:24:33] <raster> ie just not enough transistors/clock cycles to devoure more bits worth of video
[05:24:42] <raster> well they invariably have A limitation like that
[05:24:58] <raster> it may be higher
[05:25:03] <raster> :)
[05:25:24] <Cru_N_cher> Telechis 8900 implements the Chips&Media IP Decoder Core on a ARM11 and does well with very high bitrate :)
[05:26:08] <Cru_N_cher> and it has mali 200 inside :)
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[05:26:34] <Cru_N_cher> Telechips 8901 is currently used by a lot of chinese PMP manufactures
[05:26:53] <Cru_N_cher> which uses according to some inet info Mali 400 :P
[05:27:15] <raster> it will will have a limit
[05:27:28] <raster> :)
[05:27:30] <Cru_N_cher> though i wonder why PMP manufactures should use a chip which costs more and where they never gonna use the 3d core
[05:27:34] <Cru_N_cher> makes no sense
[05:27:46] <hitlin37> what transfer rate i can get on BB through usb at maximum,deos it match with that of x86
[05:27:57] <raster> because it's cheaper to pay for the 3d core and get the "other bits" you want
[05:27:59] <raster> and ignore the 3d
[05:29:04] <av500> hitlin37: yes, it supports high speed
[05:29:09] <Cru_N_cher> yeah but i dunno the not used 3d core costs energy
[05:29:17] <av500> but dont expect to be able to throughput 480mbit/s
[05:29:22] <av500> Cru_N_cher: no
[05:29:32] <av500> you just turn it off
[05:29:47] <av500> ir even fuse it out
[05:29:48] <av500> or
[05:30:20] <av500> the thing is, nobody makes a chip without 3d core any more, android managed to align the desings of a dozen SOC vendors
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[05:30:27] <Cru_N_cher> hmm inded maybe the chips they sell them have defective 3d cores or something :P
[05:30:46] <av500> everybody now makes A8/A9, 3d and HD video SOCs...
[05:31:00] <av500> even hitachi and NEC now have arm cores...
[05:31:06] <Cru_N_cher> which is nice :)
[05:31:58] <hitlin37> high speed suport is in both rev3 and rev4 or only rev4,as i've seen HS support for rev4 in manual
[05:32:18] <av500> hitlin37: usb hs in all revCx
[05:32:29] <av500> but there was an EHCI HW bug in <C4
[05:32:37] <av500> that affected some people
[05:32:48] <av500> but again, it might not be as fast as on a PC
[05:32:48] <Cru_N_cher> yeah but only a few seem to have very powerfull AVC Decoding IP :)
[05:32:53] <hitlin37> ok,thanks
[05:33:14] <av500> Cru_N_cher: the idea is to write "full HD" on the box :)
[05:33:38] <av500> a lot of effort stops after that
[05:33:47] <Cru_N_cher> hehe yeah same with those cheap AVC camcorders ;)
[05:34:28] <Cru_N_cher> at least its written "Full HD" and you can call that in sell shows 10000 times over and over that it is Full HD ;)
[05:34:45] <av500> yep
[05:34:54] <av500> and MMe Michu knows no better anyway
[05:36:56] <Cru_N_cher> but that even chip manufature dont really tell clear specs of what they decode i mean reading H.264 BP/MP/HP is nice but without knowing the level rather useless
[05:37:29] <av500> they even have no idea what it is all about
[05:37:31] <Cru_N_cher> and you know about most of these arm chips with HD decoding nothing about the bitrate they do because the manufacture dont really release anything
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[05:38:45] <Cru_N_cher> yeah it seems most that sell these IPs show them some presentation of Quicktime AVC 1080 trailers playing and say see we do 1080p AVC playback no problem ;)
[05:40:30] <hitlin37> well i need speed to acheive real time streaming
[05:41:23] <av500> text? sound? video? smell?
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[05:42:15] <hitlin37> video,25fps
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[05:46:11] <Cru_N_cher> but av500 about tegra2 and that 10 mbit limit if it's gonna be true im really surprised :P
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[05:46:58] <Cru_N_cher> seeing their excelent GPU Video Decoder Asic that with those 400 MHz does 1080p L5 even easily
[05:47:35] <av500> well, they have a forum, go ask
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[05:48:37] <hitlin37> whats CTCP
[05:49:12] <av500> some irc stuff, ignore
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[06:06:55] <ds2> BLAH... missed a chance to heckle the students :(
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[06:40:57] <Cru_N_cher> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzt11KZaLF8 <- if you look @ all Telechips based PMPs you see that the buffering takes really long before they playback
[06:41:05] <Cru_N_cher> doesnt happen with the Sochip
[06:41:21] <Cru_N_cher> i wonder what for a problem this is on Telechips side
[06:42:48] <av500> crap SW exists everwhere
[06:44:01] <av500> and for all these SOCs most likely there exists only 1 sw that is used be all the vendors
[06:44:49] <av500> btw, here is a nice Telechips based player: http://www.dukebox.com/photos/gmini220.jpg
[06:46:26] <Cru_N_cher> hehe
[06:46:54] <av500> it can play 1080 songs
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[06:52:55] <Cru_N_cher> i wonder if the mysterious origin of the Sochip ever will be revealed :P and what architecture it actually is ARM/MIPS and which Video IP it uses :D
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[06:53:59] <Cru_N_cher> fact is every Sochip PMP beats Telechip PMPs in instant playback and in transfer speeds
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[06:57:43] <av500> Cru_N_cher: come on who cares, look at the fancy chinese UI design and by happy...
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[06:58:44] <prad> hi
[06:59:12] <prad> I need to use beagle board for high transfer rates
[06:59:30] <prad> but currently I see that the max possible with beagle board is limited by USB2.0
[06:59:45] <Cru_N_cher> "chiprise and sochip are just a remaking company,the main company of this chip still remains a secret."
[06:59:51] <prad> can I get something gigabit ethernet interface or even more?
[06:59:55] <av500> no
[07:00:00] <Cru_N_cher> anyway it's crazy
[07:00:01] <prad> someone please help me with this
[07:00:07] <Cru_N_cher> a secret company
[07:00:07] <prad> thanks in advance
[07:00:07] <av500> prad: no
[07:00:47] <av500> prad: as you said yourself, usb2.0 is the fastest you can get
[07:01:01] <av500> but what do you need high transfer rates for?
[07:01:24] <prad> av500: I need to get realtime data for large bandwidth signal
[07:01:28] <prad> for signal processing
[07:01:44] <prad> zippy has just 100M
[07:01:47] <Jefro> prad: neither the original BeagleBoard nor the xM has gigabit ethernet onboard by default. I think it might be possible that you could build a USB3 or gigE system using GPIO but no one has done that thus far.
[07:01:49] <prad> but I may want even more
[07:02:01] <av500> prad: then dont use the BB
[07:02:26] <prad> I was also wondering plugcomputer 3.0
[07:02:32] <prad> but it does not have VFP
[07:02:33] <av500> Jefro: gpio? are you serious?
[07:02:34] <prad> :(
[07:02:50] <prad> I thought gpio was for control signals mostly
[07:03:07] <Jefro> av500: gp = general purpose, why not? weirder things than that have been done.
[07:03:25] <av500> Jefro: yes, but not at a reasonable speed
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[07:03:30] <ds2> well, if you carefully drill out the blind vias and....
[07:03:32] <av500> then you can stay with usb2..
[07:03:41] <av500> ds2: a steady hand
[07:03:58] * Jefro shows his hand at not having worked much with gpio since about 1988
[07:04:09] <av500> prad: and you are sure you can "process" the data fast enough?
[07:04:32] <prad> av500: on BB I guess so
[07:04:39] <prad> since it is NEON with SIMD
[07:04:41] <av500> prad: and zippy is 100m, but not the SPI interface to the BB....
[07:04:53] <av500> prad: what rate are we talking about?
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[07:05:09] <av500> and where does it go after being "processed"?
[07:05:25] <prad> av500: it is basically for MAC protocol designs
[07:05:28] <prad> in networks
[07:05:29] <av500> zippy is more like 10M, no koen?
[07:05:38] <prad> btu for that I need faster PHY
[07:05:45] <av500> prad: why not use a PC for protocol design?
[07:05:53] <prad> PC is very slow
[07:06:02] <prad> I have designed on PC
[07:06:03] <av500> oh right
[07:06:11] <prad> I hardly get 800 kbps
[07:06:14] <prad> that is sad :98
[07:06:26] <prad> ARM has dedicated signal processing elements
[07:06:36] <av500> X86 has them too
[07:06:42] <_koen_> good mornign all
[07:06:51] <prad> so performing FFT would be much faster than GPP
[07:06:54] <av500> gm student
[07:07:04] <prad> GM
[07:07:11] <av500> prad: FFT for MAC protocold design
[07:07:17] <av500> prad: FFT for MAC protocol design?
[07:07:25] <prad> av500 : good ques
[07:07:39] <prad> I need PHY 1st before it gets to the MAC
[07:07:47] <prad> PHY is much slower in PC
[07:07:58] <prad> so I need dedicated DSP
[07:08:05] <prad> processor for faster PHY
[07:08:14] <av500> you need an idea what you are talking about
[07:08:36] <prad> I need to computer couple of times 2048 fft every second
[07:08:45] <prad> on GPP is takes longer time
[07:09:37] <prad> av500: digital signals --> PHY demod --> upper layers
[07:09:49] <prad> bottleneck is processing PHY demod
[07:09:58] <prad> I hope you got what I am trying to say
[07:10:13] <av500> somewhat
[07:10:34] <prad> I am not concerned with upper layers now
[07:10:36] <lag> Guys, would you be kind enough to provide me with a MicroSD card which has proven itself for use with the Beagleboard please?
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[07:10:44] <prad> PHY demod is most critical
[07:11:06] <av500> so, what does it matter if its PC or BB then?
[07:11:54] <prad> BB has ARM with DSP core on it, which means FFT is just 4 clock cycles when compared to FFT on GPP
[07:12:10] <prad> FFT on GPP would take many instructions --> many clock cycles
[07:12:14] <prad> hence more time
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[07:12:45] <prad> but FFT on ARM is just one instruction
[07:12:55] <prad> FFT is the main for OFDM modem
[07:13:47] <Jefro> lag: I haven't found a MicroSD card between 4GB and 16GB that doesn't work. SanDisk seems fastest but I haven't run tests. Note that normal-sized SD cards are cheaper.
[07:14:44] <lag> Jefro: So what are you suggesting? Can you by a MicroSD to SD adapter?
[07:14:48] <prad> av500: are we on the same page?
[07:15:02] <prad> if not I can still explain
[07:15:41] <Jefro> lag: every micro SD card I buy seems to have an SD adapter with it, so yes :)
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[07:16:07] <lag> Jefro: No, I mean the other way round
[07:16:09] <prad> How about interfacing and FPGA to the GPIO and interfacing 1000M to the FPGA?
[07:16:32] <av500> [09:05] <av500> prad: what rate are we talking about?
[07:16:33] <lag> Jefro: I wondered what you were implying with "Note that normal-sized SD cards are cheaper."
[07:16:45] <prad> av500: about 30Mbps
[07:17:02] <Jefro> lag: the beagleboard C4 currently available takes "normal-sized" SD cards, about 1.5 cm across.
[07:17:07] <prad> mostly between 20Mbps and 30 Mbps
[07:17:11] <av500> aka 3.75MBps
[07:17:16] <av500> so, use usb...
[07:17:26] <lag> Jefro: I have an Xm
[07:17:36] <av500> lag: then dont post here
[07:17:41] <prad> this is the data rate after demod
[07:17:46] <Jefro> lag: aha :) on eof the lucky few.
[07:17:50] <av500> ppl might find out where you live and steal it
[07:17:57] <lag> av500: Why?
[07:18:03] <prad> I get samples at a rate of 800 Mbps
[07:18:06] <lag> av500: It's still a Beagle
[07:19:16] <Jefro> lag: it is definitely a Beagle, and the problem you are having (writing to the card with a "normal" card reader I'm guessing?) is one we will see a lot after July
[07:19:55] <Jefro> lag: you can definitely get a converter, they come with most micro-SD cards because readers don't accept them. I get them at the local drugstore in the camera section.
[07:20:02] <lag> av500: Oh, you were joking! I'd just put on my boxing gloves ;)
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[07:20:54] <Jefro> lag: here's one that comes with a converter (not pushing newegg, just sayin): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134666
[07:20:56] <lag> Jefro: I have a converter. I thought you were implying to buy a normal SD card and attempt to use that
[07:21:36] <lag> Jefro: It's fine - I have what I want. I just didn't know why you were telling me that normal cards were cheaper
[07:21:40] <Jefro> lag: if you had a C4 I'd totally recommend a std. size card as they are half the price
[07:21:53] <lag> Jefro: I get you :)
[07:22:05] <Jefro> lag: xM isn't officially out until July. Did you get one at ESC Chicago?
[07:24:57] <lag> Jefro: No :)
[07:25:27] <Jefro> lag: then tell Jason & Gerald we all said hi :D
[07:25:53] <lag> Jefro: I don't know who they are either
[07:26:36] <Jefro> lag: no kidding? (they are the TI guys who created the BeagleBoard)
[07:26:43] <av500> prad: is 800Mbps the rate you want to enter into the BB? if yes, that is 100Mbyte/s
[07:26:52] <av500> and I doubt you can process that much
[07:26:56] <lag> Jefro: They are not who we have contact with
[07:27:07] <prad> av500: yup u r right
[07:27:13] <prad> now I am thinking about it
[07:27:19] <prad> most probably I might use FPGA
[07:27:21] <prad> for that
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[07:27:57] <av500> prad: you might want to look at other omap3 boards, that brings out the GPMC bus
[07:28:12] <prad> like ?
[07:28:15] <av500> so you can interface the FPGA more easily
[07:28:18] <av500> like omap3 EVM
[07:28:31] <prad> which company produces it ? TI?
[07:28:37] <av500> mistral for TI
[07:28:47] <av500> google will tell you
[07:29:19] <Jefro> prad: http://focus.ti.com/docs/toolsw/folders/print/tmdsevm3530.html
[07:29:19] <prad> ok sure thanks for the info
[07:29:48] <av500> Jefro: ah, you have a google license too :)
[07:30:01] <Jefro> yep
[07:30:14] <Jefro> it's awesome, i can find *anything*
[07:30:25] <av500> prepaid or query plan?
[07:30:31] <prad> I hope this could help me :) Thanks jefro and av500. I am running out of my laptop battery will see you guys soon
[07:30:32] <prad> :)
[07:30:35] <Jefro> shhh, I don't pay for it at all
[07:30:43] <Jefro> prad: good luck!
[07:30:56] <Jefro> lag: anything we can answer? most folks don't have xM yet.
[07:31:31] <av500> Jefro: XM has proper serial and no NAND, so ppl will ask a lot less questions :)
[07:31:47] <lag> Jefro: I am having some troubles with my MicroSD card, but I am sorting it
[07:32:07] <lag> I believe them to be kernel troubles, rather than hardware
[07:32:16] <lag> But I would like to test with a 'known' good card
[07:32:23] <Jefro> av500 that's what gerald says, but I think the questions will just get better, like prad's
[07:32:58] <Jefro> lag: the kingston and sandisk cards are known to work. I have an xM as well and use a no-name card I got from the drugstore with no issues.
[07:33:17] <av500> why does everybody around me have an XM :(
[07:33:28] <av500> _koen_: ^^^^^^^ !!!!!!!!!!
[07:34:12] <Jefro> av500 - FWIW mine is ancient from January, c4 runs faster. patience. :)
[07:34:51] <av500> the card game?
[07:34:53] <lag> That's funny - I have 2 cards (one Kingston and one SanDisk)
[07:35:21] <Jefro> lag: probably made in the same Malaysian sweatshop, sadly
[07:35:36] <lag> Perhaps
[07:35:45] <lag> They are different sizes too
[07:35:52] <lag> I'll just carry on with those
[07:36:15] <Jefro> lag: if you are working on getting the Angstrom kernel working, _koen_ is the guy to talk to
[07:36:27] <lag> I'm not *embarrassed smiley*
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[07:39:54] <Cru_N_cher> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2KSCPOhQ7w <- i love this video he films like he allways does and then suddenly this not so funny looking guy stand behind him sorrounded by some others and ask can you provide us with the recording and charbax is like "ehh hmm sure you can keep the camera" the womans comment as she sees Charbax was freigthened is also cool "hes also a good guy" hrhr :D
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[08:02:26] <thurbad> anyone using directfb here?
[08:05:00] <thurbad> or can someone suggest another viable replacement for SDL that works from the console (yes I realize that SDL doesn't work in the console either)
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[08:06:37] <koen> sdl works fine on the console here
[08:08:27] <thurbad> it does?
[08:08:56] <thurbad> I mean a console without XWindows
[08:10:23] <koen> so do I
[08:11:45] <thurbad> ok, I'll have to test more then... maybe it was because I was running XWindows in a different console already
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[08:16:01] <thurbad> gotta eek out a bit more performance from the beagle, hopefully getting rid of the windows manager will be enough
[08:17:04] <thurbad> not to mention speeding up the boot time
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[08:18:35] <Kmus> thurbad - I`m just about to evaluate the beagle for performance / boot-times, whats your general feeling about them?
[08:19:13] <av500> Kmus: no need to boot it, just leave it running
[08:20:00] <thurbad> boot time isn't bad for a desktop, but it's too long for something that's supposed to have an embedded feel
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[08:20:35] <thurbad> at least for the windows manager to boot
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[08:23:23] <thurbad> it would be nice to get a little more performance out of movie players, but having said that big buck bunny plays ok, so I think there's some encoding magic that I just haven't grasped yet
[08:24:42] <av500> thurbad: you can play almost 720p with opensource codecs on the arm amd you can play SD res stuff on the dsp with the free ti codecs
[08:25:08] <av500> and the dss will happily upscale for you, so many ppl might not even notice...
[08:25:52] <thurbad> yeah, I've got it playing acceptably, but it would still be nice to have just a little more horsepower
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[08:27:41] <av500> thurbad: wait for the XM, it has more megahurts
[08:29:36] <thurbad> how's the xm stability issues coming along?
[08:30:25] <av500> not yet fixed
[08:30:30] <thurbad> :/
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[10:15:19] <koen> _av500_: I set you to "always allow" yesterday for the gsoc ml
[10:15:29] <koen> I got tired of all the admin spam google sent me
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[10:23:22] <av500> i tried to send my tshirt size like 5 times...
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[11:15:09] <lag> What memory issues currently reside on the XM?
[11:18:48] <koen> on the revA boards that went out to esc, none
[11:20:02] <ogra> mine says P8 in the board, i wonder what rev thats supposed to be
[11:20:06] <ogra> s/in/on/
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[11:30:17] <lag> Mine says P8 too
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[11:30:22] <lag> In pen
[11:30:55] <lag> Oh, look under it ogra
[11:31:00] <lag> Mine is Rev D
[11:31:41] <lag> Which revs have the memory issues then koen?
[11:32:31] <koen> every xM board with 512MB that didn't go to ESC
[11:32:39] <ogra> i dont have any info on the bottom of the board here
[11:32:57] <ogra> a sticker with a serial #, nothing else
[11:33:09] <lag> ogra: Under the RS232 connector?
[11:33:13] <lag> On the underside
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[11:33:36] <ogra> oh, its painted over
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[11:33:48] <lag> Can you still see it though?
[11:33:52] <ogra> so i didnt see it being red in red
[11:33:55] <ogra> rev D
[11:34:06] <lag> Yeah, same
[11:34:40] <lag> I'm assuming we're expecting memory issues on these then
[11:34:47] <lag> What are they symptoms?
[11:38:35] <koen> do 'memtester 400M'
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[14:00:03] <drakkan1000> Hi, I'm experiencing a problem with pppd, pppd connect to internet but the file resolv.conf is never updated I have "usepeerdns" in my connection script, anyone with the same issue?
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[14:29:36] <Redb3ard> What do I need to do to make the otg port into a regular usb host port?
[14:29:48] <koen> an mini-a cable
[14:29:49] <Redb3ard> I understand it won't be powered, and I'll have a powered hub plugged in if needed.
[14:29:58] <av500> a mini-a cable
[14:30:05] <av500> or a steady hand
[14:30:14] <koen> or a C4 with the jumper
[14:30:28] <av500> or a patched musb module
[14:30:34] <Redb3ard> Already have one plugged in, doesn't seem to recognize it.
[14:30:39] <av500> or you fake it with the ehci...
[14:30:42] <Redb3ard> Mine's a C4.
[14:31:03] * av500 has a micro-A cable
[14:31:04] <Redb3ard> THe jumper goes on j2?
[14:31:13] <av500> no
[14:31:23] <av500> thats the pwr measurement jumper IIRC
[14:31:35] <av500> check the schamatics
[14:32:08] <Redb3ard> Doesn't look like there are any others.
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[14:42:58] <Redb3ard> I think this stupid hub is somehow screwing up the gsm modem. But the modem can't be plugged in directly to the usb either, I lose my shell to it without ethernet, and besides, the modem isn't usb 2, it's just a FS device.
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[14:45:55] <Redb3ard> This thing can measure it's own current? That's pretty nice.
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[14:46:39] <Redb3ard> Does software already exist for that?
[14:46:46] <av500> too bad it cant create it's own current...
[14:47:21] <Redb3ard> If it could somehow violate conservation of energy/mass, then it'd probably cost more than $150.
[14:47:44] <av500> well, it could convert mass into energy...
[14:47:56] <av500> lil' nuclear rtc backup battery...
[14:49:16] <Redb3ard> That would be interesting... it'd only run until enough of the board was dematerialized that it could no longer function.
[14:50:36] <aholler_> I don't think you would live long enough to see that
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[14:59:49] <Cru_N_cher> av500 i guess you guys plan Webm support for the A5IT firmware :) ?
[15:00:48] <Cru_N_cher> i mean it basicaly will come for free with Android anyways and you gonna support it ?
[15:01:24] <Cru_N_cher> but not with a DSP based Decoder yet ?
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[15:02:49] <mru> CruNcher: they already support matroska
[15:02:52] <mru> so that part is easy
[15:03:26] <CruNcher> yes they could implement straight the ffmpeg decoder into their AMC i guess
[15:03:45] <CruNcher> but that wouldn't make use of the TI DSP
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[15:05:31] <CruNcher> and none of the PacektVideo decoders in Android supports the DSP from the go and Performance is yeah not that well either
[15:06:27] <CruNcher> i guess for the upcoming standard VP8 in Android decoder that won't look better
[15:08:18] <CruNcher> though could be that even the PacketVideo Decoder have been improved now at least with Neon support
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[15:08:49] <CruNcher> my experience with them is from Android 1.6
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[15:08:59] <CruNcher> so rather outdated
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[15:10:13] <dm8tbr> some companies write their own media players that then run alongside android
[15:10:30] <CruNcher> Archos does the same with AMC
[15:10:31] <mru> the archos player runs behind android
[15:10:46] <mru> android has no say at all when it's active
[15:10:57] <CruNcher> AMC uses 3rd party Decoders from a well known implementer for ARM
[15:10:57] <av500> other than kill it :)
[15:11:28] <av500> CruNcher: webm, the issue is the codec.
[15:11:38] <av500> the ARM/NEON one can do 360p but fails at 720p
[15:11:45] <av500> and there is none for the DSP (yet)
[15:11:48] <CruNcher> though it would be more nice if that stuff sooner or later would move straight into Android and utilize the default interface
[15:12:09] <av500> .webm is already working
[15:12:16] <av500> plays the vorbis part only of course
[15:12:26] <mru> av500: oneline patch I imagine
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[15:13:41] <av500> 2 lines, one to add VP8 and one to detect the header
[15:13:53] <CruNcher> av500 nice also in the current Archos firmware Webm is allready working ?
[15:13:59] <av500> no
[15:14:04] <CruNcher> 2.2 ?
[15:14:04] <av500> in my office :)
[15:14:28] <dm8tbr> CruNcher: if vp8 is not reliable yet, why should they release it
[15:14:38] <CruNcher> so froyo comes with the VP8 Decoder by default right ?
[15:14:42] <mru> dm8tbr: to get hype points
[15:14:47] <av500> what mru said
[15:14:49] <av500> :)
[15:14:57] <av500> CruNcher: no
[15:15:01] <CruNcher> oh
[15:15:02] <av500> dont thinkl so
[15:15:18] <av500> mru: installed flash yet on the N1?
[15:15:19] <dm8tbr> mru: archos will hype vp8 for gen8. no need to support old hardware *eg*
[15:15:31] <av500> dm8tbr: gimme the codec and I will....
[15:15:52] <CruNcher> av500 so the Decoder you talk about has nothing todo with PacketVideo nor Google ?
[15:16:07] <dm8tbr> av500: ittiam didn't deliver anything?
[15:16:08] <mru> av500: what would I need flash for?
[15:16:13] <av500> I wonder if I could printf "GG paid 124Mio for On2 and there is not even a DSP codec..." to the user...
[15:16:26] <av500> mru: exactly!
[15:16:38] <mru> simply having a youtube page open *without playing the video* takes over an hour off my laptop battery
[15:16:49] <av500> dm8tbr: ON2 is a codec company, they offer(ed) C64x codecs....
[15:16:50] <CruNcher> oh so it's no secrect anymore that ittiam Decoder works in the A5IT ;) ?
[15:16:53] <_koen_> av500: I poke people inside TI again to find that vp8 codec they were talking about
[15:16:58] <dm8tbr> av500: hmmmm
[15:17:18] <dm8tbr> CruNcher: the strings are in the codecs IIRC
[15:17:21] <av500> dm8tbr: and they were worth 124Mio, so they must have been good as well, no?
[15:17:23] <CruNcher> yeah ;)
[15:17:30] <CruNcher> guess more found them
[15:17:55] <CruNcher> so i can write officialy now about that :P
[15:18:02] <dm8tbr> av500: maybe you need to be OHA member...
[15:18:09] <av500> CruNcher: you can write what you want
[15:18:20] <av500> dm8tbr: oha!
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[15:21:47] <CruNcher> dm8tbr did someone tried yet to use them on the beagleboard (evil looking) :P
[15:22:07] <dm8tbr> CruNcher: I was told the interface is different
[15:22:17] <dm8tbr> ymmv
[15:22:38] <av500> ymmvvm
[15:23:10] <_koen_> there will be an update to the free-as-in-beer codec soon
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[15:23:51] <CruNcher> _koen_ hehe
[15:26:07] <CruNcher> _koen_ the TI DSP one comming with gstreamer-ti ?
[15:26:23] <av500> gst is independet of the codec
[15:26:39] <_koen_> you can build gst-ti against different codecs
[15:27:09] <_koen_> with hopefully more than base profile
[15:27:10] <av500> if I had time I would write a wrapper of lavc
[15:27:14] <av500> but, no time at all
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[15:27:31] <av500> of->for
[15:28:19] <CruNcher> _koen_ anything of the expected performance of that new Codec update i mean you guys cant do some 3rd party performance codec can you ;) ?
[15:28:43] <CruNcher> in terms of hurting 3rd party provider ;)
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[15:29:26] <CruNcher> as free as in beer means lower performance ;)
[15:30:17] <av500> you can get drunk on free beer as well....
[15:30:41] <av500> it might just take longer
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[15:30:59] <CruNcher> av500 hehe that was a good one ;)
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[15:31:34] <_koen_> av500: unless you get kicked out and and have to drink at the parking lot
[15:31:39] <_koen_> that makes it take longer
[15:31:53] <CruNcher> hihi
[15:31:56] <CruNcher> also great
[15:32:07] <av500> _koen_: true
[15:32:22] * prpplague looks in at the mention of beer
[15:32:26] <av500> but as it was free, getting 2x the needed amount at a time was no problem
[15:32:41] <_koen_> I wonder what the next event I can attend will be
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[15:34:01] <prpplague> _koen_: CELF-EU?
[15:34:07] <av500> yeah
[15:34:14] <_koen_> likely
[15:34:15] <CruNcher> av500 ittiam and the others made their sales a lot of time has past i don't see why it shouldn't be ok for TI to release a comparable performance DSP codec anyways soon :)
[15:34:24] <prpplague> _koen_: hopefully i will be attending
[15:34:29] <_koen_> prpplague: nice
[15:34:35] <prpplague> _koen_: (possibly speaking)
[15:34:45] <av500> CruNcher: I dont care about TI and 3rd party relationships
[15:36:41] <CruNcher> yeah but most beagleboard users do that still have to enjoy stutter 720p playback ;)
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[15:37:50] <av500> CruNcher: BB users should not have to care about TI and 3rd party relationships either
[15:39:00] <CruNcher> sure they shouldn't but do you think TI has bad Engineers that couldn't get the Performance out of their own DSP that ittiam got :P
[15:39:08] <CruNcher> or other 3rd parties
[15:39:17] <CruNcher> comon those are buisness decissions
[15:40:33] <CruNcher> for the beagleboard users the preview performance @ release
[15:40:48] <CruNcher> and the rest you got to get from 3rd parties
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[15:42:05] <CruNcher> or do on your own which is hard without TI DSP experts ;)
[15:42:16] <CruNcher> so ergo you left with libavcodec
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[15:43:16] <av500> CruNcher: the BB is a very special case, as there is no other cheap SOC board that ppl can get their hands on like it
[15:43:48] <CruNcher> true
[15:45:13] <CruNcher> actually
[15:45:30] <CruNcher> you can get Telechips board for well 100$ ;)
[15:46:12] <emeb> citation needed
[15:46:14] <av500> and you can write SW for it?
[15:46:23] <CruNcher> Source Leaked ;)
[15:47:31] <CruNcher> and from Hardkernel you can get a Samsung reference though very expensive
[15:48:30] <av500> CruNcher: I have a 20k$ EVM here....
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[15:49:29] <CruNcher> uhh compared to those prices it's cheap again ;)
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[16:01:51] <Redb3ard> Guys, in 8.2.6 of the SRM, it talks about being able to measure current via software. Does any software exist to do this already?
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[16:13:35] <tjapter> Hello. I'm curious about the BeagleBoard's usual boot process. I've found a lot of how-tos on booting from memory cards and flashing the internal NAND memory, but I want to know more about the technical specifics behind it all.
[16:14:14] <tjapter> For starters, how does the firmware determine if the NAND contains bootable code?
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[16:15:19] <av500> read the TRM
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[16:16:38] <tjapter> Does it go into what happens once X-Loader is started?
[16:16:49] <mru> of course not
[16:17:07] <av500> tjapter: read the xloader src code
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[16:17:44] <prpplague> tjapter: complete info on the initialization process is in the TRM
[16:22:47] <tjapter> The TRM doesn't even mention X-Loader. I'll look at the TRM for everything before that, and then source code for everything after, but there's only so much I can learn there. For example, how do I know what's n arbitrary algorithm and what's an agreed-upon procedure?
[16:23:02] <av500> ???
[16:23:13] <av500> the trm mentions "MLO" which is the file it looks for
[16:23:14] <mru> the rom code looks for a valid signature in flash and runs whatever it finds there
[16:23:36] <mru> if it finds nothing, it eventually looks for "MLO" on the SD card
[16:23:37] <av500> said MLO is x-loader aka boot code
[16:23:51] <mru> neither flash nor MLO are _required_ to be x-loader
[16:23:53] <av500> rom code does not care what is inside MLO
[16:23:56] <mru> they could contain anything
[16:24:24] <tjapter> Okay, but does it have to be at a certain physical address? Size restrictions?
[16:24:26] <mru> the TRM tells you how the ROM code passes control to the next stage
[16:24:41] <mru> if that next stage is x-loader, its source code will tell you the rest
[16:24:57] <mru> that's all in the TRM
[16:25:13] <mru> why don't you just go and read the TRM _and_ the x-loader source?
[16:25:19] <mru> then all your questions will be answered
[16:25:52] <_koen_> the trm is only 3k pages
[16:26:01] <av500> 3430 is one I have :)
[16:26:08] <mru> the boot process is only a few pages
[16:26:32] <mru> less if you skip the usb and rs232 parts
[16:26:51] <av500> tjapter: why ask us to read the TRM to you?
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[16:28:28] <tjapter> I know. I'll go read those. What I'm asking is, is there any way to know, for example, if the code is doing something BeagleBoard-specific, OMAP-specific, ARM-specific, Linux-specific, etc.
[16:28:42] <tjapter> Not what it does, but why it does things.
[16:28:51] <tjapter> What standard protocols it's following.
[16:29:20] <mru> none
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[16:29:59] <mru> it's all in the trm </parrot>
[16:30:15] <av500> +1 </broken record>
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[16:37:29] <tjapter> Sorry, I was hoping for some higher-level documents that outline software interfaces instead of just source code. But I guess with embedded development, there's too much device-specific stuff to always do that.
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[16:38:03] <tjapter> Sorry to aggravate you guys. Gonna buckle down and read now. Take care.
[16:38:41] <av500> tjapter: np, but really read that stuff 1st, then come back and ask
[16:38:49] <av500> saves us both time
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[16:43:38] <CruNcher> nice finaly some vendor who gives more information then the average BP/MP/HP ;)
[16:43:46] <CruNcher> "3 Up to 1920x1080 30fps 25Mbps : Ref.Frame : 96Mbyte for VPU Memory in case of 32 Ref frame"
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[17:35:11] <sdrguy> ?
[17:35:13] <sdrguy> Hi
[17:35:48] <sdrguy> I am wondering what the status of the Linux PREEMPT_RT patch is for the beagle board. Has anyone else been looking into this?
[17:36:23] <mru> does the patch touch anything under arch/ ?
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[17:40:55] <sdrguy> It does
[17:41:19] <sdrguy> I touches arch and kernel
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[17:41:39] <mru> well, does it touch arch/arm?
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[17:41:57] <sdrguy> Yes. arch/arm
[17:42:18] <mru> then there's at least some arm support
[17:42:35] <mru> sorry, I don't know more
[17:43:32] <sdrguy> OK. No problem. It does seem that there is some support out there, but I have heard that it hasn't reached Cortex A8 yet. I am just trying to confirm or deny that rumor.
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[17:50:02] <CruNcher> hehe the mobile move is gonna kill Flash :P did you see what the beta does on all Android Phones ;)
[17:50:12] <CruNcher> it slows down page scrooling :D
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[17:50:30] <mru> is that the only thing it slows down?
[17:50:35] <CruNcher> nope
[17:50:44] <CruNcher> if Video plays it gets even worse ;)
[17:50:56] <mru> I'd rather not think about what it does to the battery
[17:51:02] <CruNcher> but ok that stuff is not running on the DSPs yet so it was to be expected
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[17:52:14] <CruNcher> the reviewer are like i beter uninstall the beta ;)
[17:52:36] <CruNcher> because the experience is slowing down massively hehe
[17:52:42] <CruNcher> when browsing
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[17:53:23] <CruNcher> i wonder how Adobe is going to try to manage that :P
[17:54:35] <koen> adobe doesn't sell an optimized version, they tell you to do that yourself
[17:55:58] <CruNcher> oh
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[17:57:38] <koen> so in the android case, google would need to optimize it for N platforms
[17:59:52] <_av500_> CruNcher: of course it runs on the dsp
[17:59:59] <CruNcher> koen most important would be ARM google has to provide the capabilities of accessing the different DSPs via the OS
[18:00:15] <_av500_> done
[18:00:22] <topfs2> its linux
[18:01:09] <_av500_> 2.2 android has the needed apis to let the dsp decode flash video
[18:01:13] <CruNcher> _av500_ what that Video stuff with the Nexus one runs on the Qualcom DSP you can see ?
[18:01:27] <_av500_> i assume it
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[18:02:22] <CruNcher> ehh i highly doubt it i mean the performance is like slideshow i mean the overhead rendering in the browser cant cause that massive slowdown
[18:02:53] <_av500_> youd be surprised
[18:02:54] <CruNcher> also on the Palm they showed better Video Playback Performance @ Mix even without DSP
[18:03:28] <CruNcher> playing back yahoo movie
[18:03:40] <CruNcher> though on the Omap ;)
[18:03:43] <topfs2> rendering in browser is cpu
[18:03:44] * _av500_ has seen movies with yahoos inside
[18:03:53] <_av500_> lots
[18:04:33] <CruNcher> topfs2 yeah but the rendering is slower then what they presented @ Mix at least on the Nexus 1 Videos you see
[18:05:07] <topfs2> you comparing palm and n1 ?
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[18:08:29] <_av500_> CruNcher: but i agree that flash is useless on the n1
[18:09:00] <_av500_> in fact i only installed it after somebody reminded me that it exists, i never felt the need for it
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[18:09:53] <_av500_> it might be different on a 10" tablet, but on the 3.5" screen it just makes no sense
[18:10:56] <topfs2> now come on, you can play super idiotic games in the browser if you have flash
[18:11:03] <_av500_> no
[18:11:06] <_av500_> i tried
[18:11:22] <_av500_> a lot of them need a large screen
[18:11:23] <topfs2> and enter the wonderful world of 200 commercials on each page
[18:11:29] <_av500_> this yes
[18:12:20] <_av500_> and then try a flash site that fills the whole screen, no way to scroll the page
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[18:25:00] <_av500_> CruNcher: should be easy to see, use adb and look at top while flash is playing
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[19:30:44] <Redb3ard> Bad pullup... Good thing there are EEs here with fancy equipment.
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[19:32:05] <Prad_> hi
[19:32:20] <Prad_> has anyone tried GPIO with min SAS?
[19:32:33] <Prad_> *mini SAS
[19:34:37] <ds2> fancy equipment to check a pull up? Hmmmm
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[19:41:08] <Redb3ard> Actually, I think he diagnosed it with the meter, and not the scope.
[19:41:15] <Redb3ard> I don't know how to use either, to be honest.
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[20:16:14] <Woofer> Hello
[20:17:06] <Woofer> Does anyone know if the RS232 interface on the beagle board use the normal RS232 levels or TTL levels to communicate?
[20:17:31] <jacekowski> sort of normal
[20:17:46] <jacekowski> you can connect it to normal rs232 port
[20:17:48] <Redb3ard> Yeh, I've got it hooked up to another rs232 on a pc, works fine.
[20:17:57] <Woofer> alright
[20:18:18] <jacekowski> but beagleboard rs232 port sends signal that are closer to lower range of permitted voltage
[20:18:22] <jacekowski> voltages*
[20:18:23] <Woofer> so if i need to hook it up to a usb-port.. do you know what cable/converter to use?
[20:18:44] <jacekowski> Woofer: you don't need converter for that
[20:19:04] <Woofer> jacekowski: Well at least I need something to convert the levels
[20:19:11] <Woofer> RS232 is 12v and USB is 5v
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[20:19:35] <jacekowski> beagleboard has usb port
[20:19:37] <jacekowski> use that
[20:20:13] <Woofer> ah.. yes..
[20:20:23] <Woofer> My MacMini doesnt regonize anything when I connect it
[20:20:37] <jacekowski> which port are you using
[20:20:38] <prpplague> Woofer: what is it you are trying to do? access the uart console port via usb?
[20:21:06] <jacekowski> Woofer: and use PC
[20:21:10] <Woofer> jacekowski: Im using the gadget/otg port with an Mini-B cable
[20:21:15] <jacekowski> Woofer: mac as you noticed
[20:21:19] <jacekowski> Woofer: piece of crap
[20:21:27] <jacekowski> Woofer: overpriced piece of crap
[20:21:28] <prpplague> Woofer: what is it you are trying to accomplish?
[20:21:31] <Woofer> well thanks for that piece of advice
[20:21:40] <jacekowski> Woofer: but you need usb to serial converter
[20:21:49] <jacekowski> Woofer: you can get it for less than ??5
[20:21:57] <Woofer> prpplague: I want to communicate with the board.. and flash it..
[20:22:08] <jacekowski> Woofer: but chances of them working with mac are close to 0
[20:22:29] <Woofer> I've got the SD-card flashed and it seems to do something with it.. but I get no output
[20:22:58] <prpplague> Woofer: you need to get a usb->rs232 adapter as jacekowski stated
[20:23:13] <prpplague> Woofer: you will also need a idc10 pin cable to db9 cable
[20:23:29] <Woofer> yes.. that's what I needed to know.. anyone knows where I can get one?
[20:23:40] <Woofer> oh ok
[20:23:51] <prpplague> Woofer: they are everywhere
[20:23:59] <prpplague> Woofer: where are you located?
[20:24:00] <jacekowski> Woofer: well, i see shop with that sort of cables trough my window
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[20:24:10] <Woofer> hehe
[20:24:12] <Woofer> I'm in seattle
[20:24:15] <jacekowski> Woofer: but i think it's probably couple thousand miles from you
[20:24:17] <Woofer> but any webshop would be fine
[20:24:19] <jacekowski> bloody american
[20:24:27] <Woofer> I'm actually Swede
[20:24:35] <prpplague> Woofer: bestbuy, office depot, staples
[20:24:39] <prpplague> Woofer: fry's
[20:24:40] <jacekowski> i've been in US embassy today
[20:24:43] <prpplague> Woofer: radio shack
[20:24:51] <jacekowski> and after bitch told me that i'm not getting a visa today
[20:24:57] <Woofer> alright thanks..
[20:24:58] <jacekowski> i've told her "fuck you too"
[20:25:02] <prpplague> jacekowski: hehe
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[20:25:09] <Woofer> jacekowski: very productive.. =)
[20:25:24] <Woofer> but the visa-stuff is extremely annoying here..
[20:25:27] <prpplague> jacekowski: i'm a US citizen and it took me almost 4 years to get a visa for my wife who is from barbados
[20:25:28] <Woofer> my visa actually expire today
[20:25:36] <jacekowski> well, i'll never go there again
[20:25:45] <jacekowski> i got visa 2 years ago valid for 1 year
[20:25:48] <jacekowski> without any problems
[20:25:55] <jacekowski> and today she had PMS or something
[20:26:02] <jacekowski> but she didn't ask me ANY questions
[20:26:10] <prpplague> <Woofer> but the visa-stuff is extremely annoying here..
[20:26:19] <prpplague> s/annoying/broken
[20:26:25] <Woofer> hehe indeed
[20:26:28] <prpplague> don't get me started
[20:26:32] <jacekowski> so seriously, WTF?
[20:26:46] <jacekowski> 2 years ago i could get a visa
[20:26:54] <jacekowski> and now i'm working in same place
[20:27:09] <jacekowski> which means i've got a stable job
[20:27:21] <jacekowski> and last time i came back in time after 2 weeks
[20:28:20] <prpplague> jacekowski: i'm guessing you are probably law abiding, educated, and speak english, which makes you undesirable
[20:28:36] <Woofer> yeah.. I got stopped at the airport last year.. interrogated for 2.5 hours
[20:28:41] <jacekowski> well, not really law abiding
[20:28:43] <Woofer> not funny
[20:29:10] <jacekowski> i'm going to court in couple days for drinking from a bottle while driving
[20:29:22] <prpplague> jacekowski: ahh
[20:29:22] <jacekowski> because i refused to accept fixed penalty
[20:29:35] <prpplague> jacekowski: most likely that is why your visa got denied
[20:29:39] <ojn> Woofer: Looks like you have a Fry's near seattle (Renton). It's worth a visit just to go see it. :)
[20:29:54] <Woofer> ojn: thanks
[20:29:57] <prpplague> ewh, you have to drive to renton
[20:29:57] <jacekowski> prpplague: there is no way she could know that
[20:30:12] <Woofer> prpplague: well there is a radioshack closer by
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[20:30:44] <jacekowski> prpplague: even if it goes to court it's still only driving offence
[20:30:50] <ojn> woofer: make sure they have it before you go, they're pretty badly stocked these days.
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[20:31:08] <Woofer> ojn: ok will do.. thanks
[20:31:44] <prpplague> jacekowski: dwi offenses are on the list of action items
[20:32:01] <jacekowski> prpplague: it was pepsi
[20:32:17] <jacekowski> prpplague: not an alcohol
[20:32:20] <prpplague> jacekowski: oh
[20:32:38] * prpplague miss understood
[20:32:56] <jacekowski> and i was driving on a quite straight road and drinking
[20:34:19] <prpplague> wasn't aware that was an offense in the UK
[20:34:24] <jacekowski> it's not
[20:34:47] <jacekowski> but anything that might be distracting is
[20:35:07] <jacekowski> so i decided for court
[20:35:18] <CruNcher> somebody knows the difference between those TCC8900/TCC8901/TCC8902 ?
[20:35:22] <jacekowski> decided to go to court*
[20:35:44] <jacekowski> and in worst case scenario i might end up paying court costs as well
[20:35:54] <jacekowski> or i might end up with no points if i win
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[20:36:07] <jacekowski> and points are the problem
[20:36:21] <Woofer> so its your word against a cop.. the odds are not in your favor
[20:36:39] <jacekowski> and video from camera
[20:36:45] <jacekowski> that shows i was driving straight
[20:37:01] <jacekowski> and i had full controll of a vehicle
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[20:38:34] <jacekowski> it looks like i've used limit of bad luck for a whole year in 6 months
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[20:46:59] <xvff> what is the difference between openembedded and keil DS-5?
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[20:58:46] <Woofer> Alright, cables ordered.. to be continued..
[20:58:48] <Woofer> ciao
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[20:59:36] <koen> xvff: one is a buildsystem, the other a debugging
[21:01:39] <xvff> so does everyone use openembedded to do development ?
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[21:02:09] <koen> it's a build system, not a dev tool
[21:02:24] <koen> it can be used as a dev tool, though
[21:02:30] <xvff> what is a build system?
[21:02:38] <koen> what is google?
[21:02:50] <xvff> :)
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[21:04:39] <carlin> Hi. Is Jason Kridner around?
[21:05:30] <xvff> koen: so is openembedded similar to the GNU build system?
[21:06:10] <koen> xvff: why don't you compare them yourself
[21:06:24] * koen has no idea what "the gnu buildsystem" is
[21:06:29] <xvff> ok i will, thanks
[21:07:05] <_av500_> koen: not an image?
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[21:09:50] <prpplague> carlin: jkridner is logged on, but i think he is away from his terminal at the momment
[21:11:03] <carlin> prpplague: Thanks. I'm having some trouble with fbset, running Ubuntu on a c4 beagleboard with an LVDS driver daughterboard and 1024x600 LCD
[21:11:21] <carlin> Any chance someone online now can help?
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[21:11:39] <koen> well, the first problem is that you're running ubuntu
[21:11:42] <prpplague> carlin: you can post your questions, if someone knows and has time to answer, they will
[21:11:51] <prpplague> carlin: which lvds driver are you using?
[21:12:02] <carlin> It's a TI LVDS83B
[21:13:00] <carlin> I currently have an image at 800x600. It's correct on my HDMI monitor (which can deal with a variety of resolutions), but is wrong on the 1024x600 dumber LCD
[21:13:22] <prpplague> carlin: most likely you won't be able to use fbset with that configuration due to the fact that the DSS is going to need very specific timmings to work with your lcd
[21:13:29] <prpplague> carlin: which lcd are you using?
[21:13:48] <carlin> It's a standard netbook 10.1" 1024x600 lcd
[21:14:07] <prpplague> no such thing as a standard lcd
[21:14:23] <carlin> I'd like to use things like the fbset -xres and -yres to change display timing
[21:14:39] <carlin> I know exactly what clocks and porches I want, but don't know how to set them
[21:14:40] <prpplague> why?
[21:15:26] <carlin> My goal is to drive a correct 1024x600 image on my lcd as a demo.
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[21:15:55] <carlin> I've been working with Gerald Coley, Steve Clynes, and Jason for a while on this LVDS daughterboard
[21:16:00] <prpplague> carlin: you need to define a panel in the drivers/video/omap2/displays or use the generic panel and pass the values in from the machine file
[21:16:37] <prpplague> carlin: see /msg
[21:16:47] <carlin> So I think that's part of my problem. In drivers/video, the only subdirectory is backlight
[21:17:05] <prpplague> carlin: what linux kernel are you using?
[21:17:08] <carlin> I'm happy creating a new video mode database file, or adding to /etc/fb.modes
[21:17:33] <carlin> uname -a says Linux beagleboard 2.6.32.11-l13 #1 PREEMPT Tue Apr 13 04:25:20 UTC 2010 armv7l GNU/Linux
[21:18:30] <carlin> prpplague: BTW, I'm not very familiar with IRC, so apologies if I break protocol.
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[21:18:51] <bkinman> You beagle kids use OE?
[21:18:51] <prpplague> carlin: are you using a sharp lcd?
[21:19:45] <prpplague> carlin: how did you build your kernel? with OE?
[21:19:55] <carlin> No, it's not a sharp LCD. I don't know of a sharp 10.1" panel. I have panels from LG, AUO, and a few others.
[21:20:10] <prpplague> carlin: ahh ok
[21:20:39] <carlin> prplague: I installed ubuntu based on the instructions in the elinux wiki. I didn't build the kernel myself.
[21:20:49] <prpplague> carlin: ahh
[21:20:57] <carlin> prplague: me hardware guy. Software beyond my small understanding.
[21:21:03] <prpplague> carlin: well for you to add support for your display you will have to
[21:24:48] <carlin> prplague: will have to ?
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[21:30:13] <prpplague> carlin: you will have to compile the kernel
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[21:35:06] <carlin> prpplague: Ok, I'll try that. Thanks.
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[21:37:24] <prpplague> carlin: my suggestion to you is for you to use OE and build an angstrom image
[21:37:37] <prpplague> carlin: you will find it a lot easier on your for your development cycle
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