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IRC Log for 2010-09-29

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[00:23:24] <hitlin37> how can i get the display from s video,i've connected to tv out
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[02:34:20] <prpplague> ho ho hum
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[02:44:03] <prpplague^2> are we having fun yet
[02:44:12] <Toba> every day
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[03:36:53] <Russ> is that TI mark research thing spam?
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[03:56:31] <hgs> hi all, would like to get some suggestion on buying a digital multimeter for debugging pcbs prefer cheaper one initially
[03:57:01] <Russ> ...are you just looking at testing for conductivity?
[03:57:45] <hgs> voltage, continuity, current consumption and temperature
[03:58:08] <Russ> then it will depend on the ranges you wish to check, and for what level of accuracy
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[03:59:34] <hgs> not involved in design of boards (wish i was), outsourced the boards currently..so only requiring minimal debugging and accuracy requirements
[04:01:05] <Russ> without specific parameters, all I can tell you is buy the cheapest one you find
[04:03:31] <hgs> fine thanks
[04:03:57] <Russ> you might look for one that beeps when you get conductivity
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[04:27:08] <ds2> Hmmm
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[05:26:39] <_av500_> fluke ftw!
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[05:28:53] * emeb|mac like his B&K
[05:29:19] <emeb|mac> (me talk pretty one day)
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[05:45:00] <ds2> bah... HF special of the day :D
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[05:52:47] <emeb|mac> baroo?
[05:55:54] <emeb|mac> ah - HF = harbor freight: http://www.harborfreight.com/7-function-digital-multimeter-90899.html
[05:56:00] <emeb|mac> cheap & cheerful.
[05:57:49] <ds2> they were sold for either $1.99 or $2.99 at the store
[05:58:45] <emeb|mac> yep - good 'crash-around' dmm.
[05:58:55] <emeb|mac> but no audible continuity test...
[05:59:11] <ds2> toss them in the car
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[05:59:28] <ds2> great for checking if the battery is dead or if a fuse is gone
[05:59:58] <emeb|mac> or measuring the impedance of plants you find on the back roads.
[06:01:28] <_av500_> or creating random numbers
[06:02:05] <emeb|mac> never know when you'll need a random number in the car...
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[06:05:26] <ds2> I don't see a need to know the floral impedence but...
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[06:05:32] <ds2> esp. at DC
[06:06:01] <emeb|mac> not something that comes up often...
[06:07:57] <ds2> esp. in your area
[06:08:19] <ds2> in florida or further in the tropics, it might be an interesting experiment on mangroves
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[06:13:12] <ds2> did slingshots get involved?
[06:13:31] <emeb|mac> nope - game & fish frowns on that.
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[10:53:26] <Zubair> Hello everyone
[10:53:40] <Zubair> I am following the video tutorial by keon
[10:53:42] <Zubair> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/video-tutorial-how-install-%C3%A5ngstr%C3%B6m-beagleboard
[10:54:08] <Zubair> do I need to copy the MLO, U-boot etc separately
[10:55:10] <Zubair> anyone ??
[11:00:18] <hitlin37> MLO,u boot ,uimage in partition 1,rootfs in partition 2
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[11:04:28] <jacekowski> Zubair: what do you mean
[11:04:37] <jacekowski> Zubair: you need them all on first partition
[11:06:10] <Zubair> in the tutorial he just formats, then makes the partition and then tar the Angstrom
[11:06:21] <Zubair> then he copies the uImage in partition 1
[11:06:26] <Zubair> thats all he does
[11:06:43] <jacekowski> then read the manual
[11:06:45] <jacekowski> it's all there
[11:07:08] <Zubair> can you plz tell me the best link that I can follow
[11:07:14] <Zubair> as there are many
[11:07:21] <jacekowski> google.com
[11:07:45] <Zubair> plz here is a beginner needing some advice
[11:07:54] <jacekowski> learn to google
[11:09:02] <jacekowski> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners#SD_card_setup
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[11:12:12] <JDuke128> hi , my wifi always closing itself when not used long , and closing my ssh connection , when i return back , i see my ssh closed and wifi power down , then i need to open wifi back, how can i prevent this happen ?
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[11:13:03] <JDuke128> hi , my wifi always closing itself when not used long , and closing my ssh connection , when i return back , i see my ssh closed and wifi power down , then i need to open wifi back, how can i prevent this happen ? i tried "iwconfig wlan0 power off" but its not helping me too , any more help ? please help
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[11:24:01] <Crofton|work> bring me the head of a panda
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[11:24:45] <Russ> Crofton|work, http://theoatmeal.com/story/reddit_how
[11:26:14] <Crofton> heh
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[11:30:45] <Crofton> av500, congrats on the first post
[11:31:37] <av500> this is my 1st post, there are many like it, but this one is mine....
[11:32:25] <Crofton> heh
[11:32:31] <Russ> 1st post of what?
[11:32:36] <Crofton> shhh
[11:33:04] * Russ [quietly] first post of what?
[11:33:11] <Crofton> must finish omap3 work before moving to omap4
[11:33:28] <Crofton> http://pandaboard.org/
[11:33:43] <Russ> oooooo pretty
[11:34:59] <av500> Russ: pb ml
[11:36:30] <Russ> storage?
[11:36:41] <Crofton> I use boxes
[11:37:00] <av500> I just have a direction I throw stuff
[11:37:20] * Russ attempts to read the block diagram that is scaled just a little too small
[11:37:27] <av500> Russ: like the XM
[11:37:30] <_koen_> av500: we LOL'd at the comments on the evm at the office
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[11:37:42] <dm8tbr> huh? the ml was still closed when I checked a few minutes ago
[11:37:46] <Russ> av500, bummer, I love raw NAND flash so much
[11:37:47] <av500> _koen_: you can do more then lol, u know :)
[11:37:54] <av500> dm8tbr: pah
[11:38:00] <av500> its not for you
[11:38:17] * Russ attempts to parse the contents of the 1st post
[11:38:49] <Russ> ah, 'Student Commitee for National Reconciliation'
[11:38:51] <_koen_> av500: I have a mail in my concepts saying something like "I can support netra in narcissus if you send me a board"
[11:39:00] <_koen_> sorry, could not resist
[11:39:53] <av500> _koen_: i can "port" it to flickr :)
[11:40:54] <Russ> sigh, all I find on flickr involves actual pandas and/or wooden boards
[11:41:11] <av500> Russ: sec
[11:41:24] <Crofton> I badly want to see what GNU Radio does on two ARM cores
[11:41:37] <av500> Crofton: send and receive?
[11:41:51] <Crofton> well
[11:42:07] <Crofton> the block scheduler is multicore aware
[11:42:10] <av500> dunno if it does that well... :)
[11:42:25] <Crofton> so I can run multiple processing blocks at once
[11:43:07] <Russ> I want to see the real time video processing stuff on it
[11:43:45] * av500 glares at his frak slow N1
[11:46:34] <av500> Russ: try again
[11:47:20] <Russ> flickr is apparently not instant
[11:47:33] <Russ> wait, there we go :)
[11:48:03] <Russ> where's your wifi?
[11:48:11] <av500> somebody stole it
[11:48:28] <av500> thats a very early board, the one labeled as "obsolete" in the TRM
[11:48:57] <av500> also notice the hub+eth being driven from musb and not ehci...
[11:50:00] <Russ> you really need a finer silk screen process....
[11:50:38] <av500> moi?
[11:50:39] <Russ> its like the entire necronomicon has been reformatted and make to fit on the board in the spaces between the components
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[11:51:50] <Russ> what are the drill holes in line with the omap4 for?
[11:52:23] <av500> coffe spill drain holes
[11:55:34] <av500> Russ: the holes are used to hold this normally: http://pan8.fotovista.com/dev/8/1/04876518/l_04876518.jpg
[11:55:54] <Russ> good to know you'll be supporting the overclockers
[11:56:09] <av500> :)
[11:56:31] <Russ> meanwhile, I'll be on the lookout for U29-U99
[11:56:50] <av500> ?
[11:57:15] <Russ> I see U26, U27, U28....
[11:57:17] <Russ> and then U100
[11:58:21] <Russ> oh, wait, there's U37
[11:58:32] <av500> i do hope this discontinuity in part naming does not reduce performance a lot :)
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[11:58:51] <Russ> it just means that there must be a lot of components on the reverse of the board
[11:59:02] <av500> Russ: there is a schematic online :)
[11:59:04] <_koen_> U571?
[11:59:18] <av500> saw that one in the local pond recently
[11:59:54] <Russ> If I ever have a design that has more than 404 capacitors, I'm definitely leaving out C404
[12:00:41] <_koen_> so people can't find it?
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[12:01:14] <Russ> or maybe I'll just skip #13 for every component type
[12:01:21] <av500> 404 must not be populated...
[12:03:43] <Russ> are per BGA fiducials no longer required?
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[12:05:43] <av500> seems no
[12:05:49] <av500> none on your pcbs...
[12:06:11] <Russ> they are on the pandaboard, but just the 4 global ones
[12:06:13] <cwillu_at_work> hmm
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[12:06:48] <cwillu_at_work> what would be the expected failure mode if I had removed the resistor at R66 in order to add the lithium battery, and later removed the battery without readding the resistor??
[12:06:53] <cwillu_at_work> (minus the extra ?)
[12:07:09] * cwillu_at_work just noticed that he did such a thing on one board
[12:07:18] <av500> what does r66 do?
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[12:08:15] <cwillu_at_work> it cross the leads to where the battery goes
[12:08:22] <cwillu_at_work> probably a pull-down or similar
[12:08:29] <av500> yeah
[12:09:23] <cwillu_at_work> I ask because I've been troubleshooting a hang after a long'ish period of time (on the order of a day or so), where things gradually start crashing, yet I can never find anything in the logs
[12:09:31] <cwillu_at_work> I just noticed the missing battery
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[12:40:23] <av500> (yes I am stupid) which one is *the* XM kernel?
[12:44:51] <buZz> ftp.kernel.org ?
[12:46:04] <av500> i doubt it
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[12:49:45] <_koen_> av500: the kernel recipe angstrom is using it what we consider leading at beagleboard.org
[12:49:59] <_koen_> av500: jason has turned that into a git tree at the validation repo
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[12:56:12] <av500> 100fps!
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[12:58:40] <_koen_> 101fps!
[12:58:57] <_koen_> how much canadian fps are 100 real fps?
[12:59:23] <dm8tbr> i soviet russia seconds frame you!
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[13:21:43] <topfs2> _koen_, 20 canaian are 100 real :)
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[13:25:11] <topfs2> Haven't found a screen for the beagle yet though, but I've worked really hard to bring network configuration into the app. So embedded use is way nicer
[13:25:21] <JDuke128> hi , is wvdial buggy ? i cant use wvdial to make 3g gprs connection , vdial: utils/wvtask.cc:202: WvTaskMan::WvTaskMan(): Assertion `getcontext(&get_stack_return) == 0' failed. how can i fix this bug ?
[13:29:13] <_koen_> wvdial doesn't work on arm
[13:29:46] <av500> what is so arm specific about it?
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[13:33:30] <_koen_> av500: some syscall iirc
[13:34:13] <_koen_> djeez, that lazarewicz dude isn't trying to be subtle with his ds5 propaganda
[13:34:20] <av500> yeah
[13:34:40] <_koen_> "no, I didn't read the instructions, but look, here are ds5 instructions"
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[13:35:33] <_koen_> "You cannot access this ARM website because it makes available for download some ARM IP, SW or restricted document under a click-through license which may contain terms unacceptable to TI. "
[13:35:35] <_koen_> LOL
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[13:37:20] * av500 only trusts ds2 propaganda
[13:37:41] <Crofton> heh
[13:37:49] <_koen_> I'm pretty sure that ds5 demos is 99% angstrom
[13:37:53] <Crofton> someone should explain he needs to be a bit more subtle
[13:38:03] <Crofton> ok
[13:38:04] <_koen_> and it looks like ds5 is violation at least the gpl
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[13:38:17] <Crofton> so I have a git branch with my driver in it
[13:38:25] <Crofton> based of gusmtix .33 kernel
[13:38:30] <_koen_> I wonder if I should send them a C&D letter
[13:38:37] <Crofton> and I want to move to their .35 branch
[13:38:41] <Crofton> heh
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[13:38:44] <av500> or threaten them with ds9
[13:38:54] <_koen_> "odo will kick your ass"
[13:38:59] <Crofton> do I copy their .35 branch and rebase my stuff on to it
[13:39:04] <Crofton> or the other way around ...
[13:39:20] <Russ> awwwww....thats so sad, he can't read the card in windows now
[13:42:09] <Russ> and look, he finally has a solution for 'All of these HOTOW's and cryptic sites to get your beagle board running'
[13:42:21] <_koen_> another howto
[13:42:33] <av500> somebody should collect them all in a wiki
[13:42:48] <Russ> can't tell you how many hours I've wasted reading hotows
[13:44:25] <Russ> av500, sure, easier said then done
[13:44:35] <Russ> av500, doesn't matter anyway since they are so cryptic
[13:44:37] <av500> Russ: it was a joke
[13:44:48] <Russ> av500, play along...
[13:46:29] <JDuke128> hi , is wvdial buggy ? i cant use wvdial to make 3g gprs connection , vdial: utils/wvtask.cc:202: WvTaskMan::WvTaskMan(): Assertion `getcontext(&get_stack_return) == 0' failed. how can i fix this bug ?
[13:46:33] <Russ> sigh, embedded development is hard...Lets go shopping!
[13:46:48] <av500> JDuke128: can you read?
[13:47:01] <_koen_> can anyone try to download that sd image and tell me if the download page links to the sources?
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[13:47:06] <Russ> <_koen_> wvdial doesn't work on arm
[13:47:15] <Russ> <av500> what is so arm specific about it?
[13:47:19] <Russ> <_koen_> av500: some syscall iirc
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[13:47:40] <av500> Russ: I can tell for sure that you just pasted 3 totally blank lines!!!
[13:47:57] <Russ> av500, no, I'm speaking in code
[13:49:39] <_koen_> see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=521473
[13:49:48] <Russ> what is silver.arm.com?
[13:50:32] <Russ> _koen_, I'm not seeing any source yet
[13:50:44] <_koen_> I thought that would be the case
[13:51:04] <Russ> but it isn't available for download from there, you have to go to some silver.arm.com site
[13:51:16] <_koen_> I'll look at writing a nastygram when I get back home
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[13:51:37] * _koen_ has copyright on bits of beagle kernel and userspace
[13:51:41] <Russ> https://login.arm.com/login.php?cams_login_config=http&cams_original_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsilver.arm.com%2Fbrowser%2Fd5str%3F&cams_security_domain=system
[13:51:55] <Russ> perhaps that isn't webwashed from TI
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[13:54:06] <Russ> is Keil really a part of ARM?
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[13:54:31] <av500> yes
[13:54:41] <Russ> wtf
[13:54:47] <av500> http://www.microcontroller.com/news/arm_keil.asp
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[13:54:52] <av500> Russ: why tf?
[13:55:24] <Russ> never really cared much for Keil, but never associated it with ARM other than that they make ARM tools
[13:55:41] <_koen_> wget eclipse.zip ; unzip eclipse.zip ; sed s:eclipse:ds5:g ; ant ; zip ; .. ; profit
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[13:56:32] <Russ> _koen_, I can't actually download the binaries
[13:56:39] <Russ> 'You have reached a page that is not defined in the system.'
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[13:57:10] <_koen_> Russ: heh
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[13:57:18] <_koen_> Russ: maybe we should write a howto
[13:57:24] <Russ> you are talking about 'ds5-bb-sdcard.zip', right?
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[14:00:34] <Russ> on their other download page, they do have something labeled 'DS-5 Trial Binary (GPL Sources)'
[14:00:56] <_koen_> Russ: yeah, the sd image the guy keeps going on about
[14:01:21] <Russ> I'm not sure if the sources here have anything to do with the SD image
[14:01:29] <Russ> but I can't find anywhere I can download the SD image
[14:01:44] <JDuke128> <av500> , what you mean ?
[14:01:58] <JDuke128> _koen_ , wvdial is buggy on opkg , you must update wvdial
[14:02:22] <av500> JDuke128: 1) did you google for the error message you pasted?
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[14:02:42] <av500> JDuke128: 2) did you read when koen wrote that vwdial does not work on arm?
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[14:04:01] <JDuke128> of course i got new wvdial now
[14:04:07] <JDuke128> i m trying to compile it
[14:04:26] <JDuke128> but OPKG WVDIAL IS NOT WORKING , SO UPDATE IT , JUST I WARNED !
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[14:06:39] <JDuke128> how can i make gprs/3g usb connection without wvdial ?
[14:07:14] <Russ> really depends on the modem, networkmanager/modemmanager is a possibility
[14:07:46] <buZz> JDuke128: or just ppp chatscripts
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[14:08:33] <JDuke128> ppp chatscripts ? it always change on devices ? huwaei e620 like devices?
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[14:11:00] <_koen_> so the 'new' wvdial has fixed the *context calls?
[14:11:26] <Russ> _koen_, the only source I could find only has the gcc sources
[14:11:39] <Russ> _koen_, but then, if there is no way to download the sd image, then there is no violation
[14:12:07] <JDuke128> _koen_ , as i read there is new version , yes
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[14:12:27] <_koen_> the latest version is from september 2009
[14:13:14] <_koen_> which also matches the latest commit in their git repo
[14:15:05] <_koen_> debian has no patches for it either
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[14:16:50] <fozay> hello guys
[14:17:05] <JDuke128> _koen_ , so how can i make gprs/3g connection with ppp ?
[14:17:20] <JDuke128> _koen_ , can you show any good tutorial step by step
[14:17:38] <Russ> JDuke128, it differs widely by device
[14:17:44] <av500> JDuke128: _koen_ is not google
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[14:18:15] <Russ> JDuke128, if wvdial works, just run that on an x86 machine and then log what it does
[14:19:08] <_koen_> at work I do 'modprobe option' and then plug in the 3g stick
[14:19:08] <JDuke128> Russ , i googled alot more then u
[14:19:13] <_koen_> networkmanager does the rest
[14:19:21] <fozay> jDuke128, http://www.flickr.com/photos/shokai/4188638510/in/pool-705532@N22 find this guys blog it wil be helpful
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[14:19:34] <_koen_> except for the fact that the TI office is in a deadspot for gsm/3g/dvb coverage
[14:20:48] <JDuke128> _koen_ , thanks i ve installed gprs/3g successfully also dmesg see my Huwaei E620 modem on /dev/ttyUSB0 , but i donno how to use pppd
[14:21:08] <Russ> JDuke128, so you won't just try wvdial on x86 and log what it does?
[14:21:09] <JDuke128> i tried samples on google but failed
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[14:21:33] <Russ> JDuke128, see if wvdial even works at all for your modem?
[14:21:43] <fozay> jDuke128,you should find out your service providers apn
[14:21:55] <JDuke128> vodafone
[14:22:01] <JDuke128> k
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[14:23:30] <Russ> I suppose chatscripts are a bit of a lost art
[14:23:49] <fozay> i agree
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[14:25:44] <fozay> i have some question about taking high speed data with mcbsp1 from expansion header
[14:26:02] <fozay> is there somebody who dealing with it?
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[14:27:37] <Russ> fozay, you'll probably just have to dive into the omap3 docs
[14:28:53] <fozay> my problem is about linux environment, i am using angstrom, i can enable mcbsp support but i couldnot use mcbsp library
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[14:29:58] <tobbsi> hello
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[14:30:56] <tobbsi> is it possible to get a CAD drawing of the BeagleBord?
[14:31:42] <av500> yes
[14:32:09] <tobbsi> good to hear :)
[14:32:20] <tobbsi> can i download it somewhere?
[14:32:45] <av500> http://beagleboard.org/hardware/design
[14:33:04] <tobbsi> you mean the orCAD file?
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[14:33:54] <av500> it has CAD in the name. no?
[14:35:08] <tobbsi> yes, but i'm looking for a CAD model, which i can use in e.g. CATIA
[14:35:51] * Russ wonders what OrCARD is....
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[14:36:02] <av500> a killer whale?
[14:36:19] <Russ> OrCAD implemented on top of hypercard?
[14:36:25] <av500> tobbsi: http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=9904cdeba8e76daca3374bbb8941adff
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[14:40:28] <_koen_> "please send mail including the pdf"
[14:40:29] <_koen_> wtf?
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[14:41:33] <av500> _koen_: i have a nice BB.pdf.exe....
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[14:49:57] <zumbi> Russ: orcad is schematic capture, circuit simulator, pcb layout propietary software CAD
[14:50:41] <_koen_> orcad is shit
[14:50:48] <zumbi> Russ: oh! i just noticed the orca*R*d, no idea what it is
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[14:50:54] <_koen_> orcad is the main reason I do NOT want to do pcb design ever again
[14:51:07] <zumbi> i like orcad
[14:51:09] <_koen_> route everything, save
[14:51:20] <zumbi> nowadays i am migrating to altium (protel)
[14:51:22] <_koen_> load, notice that routing is at 95% again
[14:52:07] <zumbi> _koen_: my orcad version had specctra which was on of the best autorouter
[14:52:24] <zumbi> i guess it is all about workflows
[14:52:29] <zumbi> and learn them
[14:52:33] * av500 used specctra in the past
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[14:55:29] <tobbsi> @av500: is there any way to export the .skp file to a professional CAD programm
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[14:56:31] <av500> tobbsi: http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&q=export++.skp+file+to+a+professional+CAD+programm
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[14:57:43] <tobbsi> thx ^^
[14:59:17] <av500> thank google
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[15:04:31] <jd__> c
[15:05:01] <emeb> d
[15:05:03] <tassleho1f> is for cookie
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[15:08:33] <emeb> heh - "please send mail including the pdf so that i can have knowledge about beagleboard"
[15:08:56] <av500> yep, we discussed that already :)
[15:09:05] * emeb is late again
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[15:10:28] <emeb> someone kindly send him the TRM
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[15:20:09] <sakoman_> Crofton: I would just cherry pick the driver commits from your branch to the 2.6.35 branch
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[15:21:26] <Crofton> there are a lot of commits ......
[15:22:12] <Crofton> I am going to try rebasing against .33 first
[15:22:29] <Crofton> to get the driver down to a sane set of commits
[15:22:56] <_koen_> Crofton: you mean one commit?
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[15:23:06] <Crofton> well
[15:23:22] <Crofton> there are a couple of commits that fondle files out side the driver
[15:23:37] <_koen_> you didn't say that earlier :)
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[16:02:25] <_koen_> feels a bit like friday today
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[16:07:22] <emeb> hump day...
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[16:20:14] <_koen_> prpplague: ping
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[16:22:35] <prpplague> _koen_: pong
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[17:11:50] <mmarker> Well...got a btrfs root working, and slim going on the xm. There's no x server for omap3 that exposes a hw accel glx extension, correct?
[17:12:21] <_koen_> no glx support for omap3 at all
[17:12:26] <_koen_> nor for full opengl
[17:13:20] <mmarker> What does the stuff from ti cover, then?
[17:13:24] <mmarker> (Oh
[17:13:49] <mmarker> Still stuck on encfs...but that should be fixed soon)
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[17:14:25] <woglinde> gles
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[17:16:55] <mmarker> Ugh. Quoth the grumpy: http://hex.livejournal.com/1276675.html
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[17:20:39] <mmarker> Gles 2.0?
[17:22:09] <_koen_> yes
[17:22:14] <_koen_> but read the sdk docs to be sure
[17:22:34] <_koen_> mmarker: that hex link doesn't work
[17:22:55] <mmarker> Crap
[17:23:08] <mmarker> S/hex/jwz/
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[17:23:56] <mmarker> Note. It's jwz. Liberal use of colorful 4 letter words is to be expected.
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[17:26:43] <_koen_> I've been "following" jwz since his netscape days, so I'm used to it
[17:26:46] <emeb> part of his 'charm'
[17:27:10] * emeb has been to DNA lounge a few times. interesting
[17:27:40] <_koen_> jwz is just being grumpy
[17:27:56] <emeb> quite actively so
[17:27:58] <_koen_> he basically complains that his code using a 1980 era api doesn't work with GLES
[17:28:10] <_koen_> he had a post about that issue a while back
[17:28:29] <_koen_> gles was designed to throw out crap so it would perform on slow hw
[17:29:47] <emeb> makes sense to do so. adapt or die.
[17:30:40] <_koen_> isn't the PS3 GLES only?
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[17:35:11] <_koen_> I'm still trying to convince various TI teams to standardize on a single ES revision for qt apps
[17:35:24] <_koen_> one team uses es1, the other es2
[17:35:36] <_koen_> and both want to be included into the demo
[17:35:48] <emeb> "the nice thing about standards...."
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[17:37:52] <prpplague> jkridner|work: greetings
[17:38:14] <jkridner|work> hallo! fyi, I'm in the Forest Lane office today.
[17:38:28] <prpplague> jkridner|work: ahh dandy!
[17:38:40] <prpplague> jkridner|work: too bad you weren't here yesterday
[17:38:50] <prpplague> jkridner|work: could have seen the LVDS panel i had up and running
[17:40:46] <_koen_> jkridner|work: traversing the spine all day?
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[17:42:39] <Crofton|work> I am counting on you guys getting me a Panda!
[17:43:33] <_koen_> Crofton|work: fill in the form at google docs
[17:43:42] <Crofton|work> already did :)
[17:43:48] <_koen_> https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dG5mcVNXSFFleVZjVFNtMVVqXzVYY1E6MQ
[17:43:57] <Crofton|work> I know how much you are a stickler for reading instructions
[17:44:13] <_koen_> it's just that I got told to fill it in as well :)
[17:44:25] <_koen_> panda stuff is *completely* seperate from beagle
[17:44:40] <_koen_> so seperate that people get upset if you mention them in the same sentence
[17:44:49] <Crofton|work> weird
[17:46:40] <b7500af1> mru, ping
[17:47:20] <prpplague> Crofton|work: be sure and sign up for the PEAP
[17:47:33] * prpplague has a vote on PEAP approvals
[17:47:37] <_koen_> PEAPing toms
[17:47:43] <prpplague> hehe
[17:47:54] <Crofton|work> prpplague, I did within minutes of seeing hrw's tweet
[17:48:11] <prpplague> hehe
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[17:57:22] <djlewis_1> hmm, so far my cursor has always been somewhere on FryFox when my computer reboots itself :(
[17:57:25] <prpplague> Crofton|work: see /msg
[17:57:56] <emeb> djlewis_1: what OS?
[17:58:07] <djlewis_1> xp pro
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[17:58:40] <emeb> ah - I've had a few Xorg freezes associated w/ Firefox on my Fedora 13 system
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[18:00:01] <jkridner|work> Crofton|work: don't count on me for that!
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[18:00:44] <prpplague> hehe
[18:01:25] <_koen_> 1 mississipi
[18:01:29] <_koen_> 2 mississippi
[18:01:46] <emeb> 3 mississipppi
[18:02:20] <prpplague> if you have time to type MS, you have too much time
[18:02:32] <_koen_> time to convince people to stop working and grab dinner
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[18:27:33] <emeb> greets to you too
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[18:30:09] <djlewis_1> howdy _av500_
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[18:41:04] <foobaz> hmm setterm doesn't wake up the monitor. I've tried with two monitors and unless I restart the BB the screen goes to sleep after a while of not using it or if you unplug it then plug it back in the screen doesn't turn on
[18:41:17] <foobaz> setterm -blank 0 doesn't wake it up
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[18:44:16] <djlewis_1> foobaz: i hope you are not suggesting you unplug the hdmi cable then plug back in with beagle powered up .
[18:44:28] <foobaz> It's a DVI cable I believe
[18:44:36] <djlewis_1> same reference
[18:44:58] <djlewis_1> doing so can damage the BB video port as is specified in the BBSRM
[18:45:00] <foobaz> Well the screen wasn't coming back up so I thought maybe it would reload something
[18:45:04] <foobaz> djlewis_1: ah
[18:45:10] <foobaz> Even in the C4?
[18:45:12] <djlewis_1> yes
[18:46:14] <djlewis_1> seems there is little buffering between the omap and hdmi connector
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[18:50:09] <foobaz> djlewis does it always break? My screen no longer works
[18:50:19] <foobaz> oh nvm
[18:50:26] <foobaz> it works phew
[18:50:30] <djlewis_1> good
[18:50:36] <djlewis_1> dont do that anymore :)
[18:51:06] <foobaz> :P Yeah don't want to break that. I have another BB though in case it breaks :\
[18:51:17] <djlewis_1> cool, spares
[18:56:14] <ds2> dinner?! heh silly globe
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[18:59:03] <emeb> timezones are for the weak
[19:00:16] <dm8tbr> my clocks are on UTC
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[19:01:45] <emeb> biological clock too?
[19:03:16] <dm8tbr> emeb: that works on an offset loosely aligned with local solar time
[19:04:19] <dm8tbr> but I wake up around 600UTC each day, so you could also say, that my biological clock is utc too ;)
[19:04:38] <emeb> and how far from UTC do you actually live?
[19:04:47] * emeb is -7
[19:04:58] <dm8tbr> +2/3 depending on DST
[19:04:59] <_av500_> +2
[19:05:22] <dm8tbr> the people around me use EET EEST as the timezone
[19:05:43] * emeb 's locale doesn't do DST
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[19:06:00] <emeb> AZ gets enough sunlight - no need to save it
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[19:07:54] <dm8tbr> yes, ignoring DST is one of the reasons I do UTC
[19:07:59] <djlewis_1> foobaz: correction, the TFP410 is between the omap and hdmi. it must me the chip that gets hurt.
[19:08:35] <emeb> dm8tbr: that's fine except everyone around you is operating differently
[19:08:49] <emeb> I suppose you have to do a lot of mental conversions throughout the day
[19:09:15] <dm8tbr> emeb: I deal a lot with people in different timezones
[19:09:35] <b7500af1> Hey guys, I was wondering if someone could take a look at some neon intrinsics code I've writen for float-to-fixed conversion. In my code (http://pastebin.com/z0yaQ3sf) I have unrolled 4 times (top code) and was thinking of unrolling by 8 (bottom). Any benefit there? And do you see any glaring problems with the code.
[19:09:42] <emeb> so you're doing the conversions anyway.
[19:09:45] <emeb> been there
[19:10:07] <dm8tbr> so having an non-changing fixed base helps
[19:10:24] <emeb> true
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[19:14:51] <emeb> b7500af1: did you look at the disassembled code to see how efficient the intrinsics are?
[19:15:19] <emeb> it's been noted here before that they're not as effective as one might hope.
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[19:17:29] <b7500af1> emem, I've looked briefly, so far the intrinsics are doing pretty well. Was going to re-write the asm later, but thought I'd check unrolling further. Wasn't sure if it was worth it though.
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[19:22:47] <emeb> b7500af1: sounds like another application of rule 3
[19:23:26] <b7500af1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_Three_(Wiccan)
[19:23:50] <emeb> "try it and see" :)
[19:23:51] <dm8tbr> more like: try and find out
[19:24:16] * emeb doesn't have the direct link to mru's site handy
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[19:28:03] <_av500_> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/30
[19:28:32] <emeb> bingo
[19:29:25] <emeb> I like that koen's wording is somewhat ambiguous.
[19:29:49] <_av500_> b7500af1: look at the generated asm
[19:30:03] <_av500_> looking at nice intrinsics is useless
[19:32:47] <_av500_> its like asking feedback on fast_memcpy(...)
[19:40:13] <jedix> I have an issue with my LCD blinking constantly thinking it is getting 1280x768, but the divmode is set to the default 1024x768MR-16@60
[19:40:38] <mru> morning guys
[19:40:48] <emeb> hola mru
[19:41:24] <djlewis_1> mru: wazzup :)
[19:41:46] <jedix> I'm wondering if the display can do 1024x768
[19:42:14] <djlewis_1> jedix: BB can
[19:42:45] <mmarker> Running mine higher than that...no issues.
[19:42:49] <jedix> yeah, the display is native 800x480
[19:42:58] <jedix> Native Resolution: 800x480 WVGA (2400 x 480 dots)
[19:42:59] <jedix> Supports 640 x 480 ~ 1600 x 1200 display resolution
[19:43:16] <jedix> but once it boots, the screen blinks constantly
[19:43:37] <jedix> and when it's not blinking, 1/2 the screen is black and the other is yellow
[19:43:38] * emeb uses 1440x900 on his C2 BB
[19:43:52] <jedix> I'm using this one: http://www.xenarc.com/product/706tsa.html
[19:43:58] <jedix> it's hooked to a C4
[19:44:06] <emeb> but it won't hit the full 1680x1050MR-16@60 my monitor wants
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[19:49:02] <djlewis_> gosh darn piece of crap self rebooting computer :(
[19:49:40] <jedix> I think it's the auto-refreshrate
[19:52:49] <jedix> it says 1280x768x58p
[19:52:54] <jedix> shouldn't it be 60p
[19:52:55] <jedix> ?
[19:53:07] <mru> 54
[19:53:23] <jedix> can i somehow force it to 60 or 58?
[19:53:44] <jedix> it syncs for about .5 seconds then dies
[19:58:21] <jedix> then syncs..
[19:58:55] <jedix> isn't that the recommended display?
[19:59:12] <_av500_> jedix: why dont you run it in 800x480?
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[19:59:27] <jedix> _av500_: sure, how?
[19:59:34] <_av500_> you like your pixel mushed around?
[20:00:01] <jedix> it booted at 1280x768 on its own
[20:00:22] <_av500_> it can be told not to
[20:00:33] <_av500_> kernel cmd line
[20:00:53] <jedix> well, the uboot says 1024x768
[20:01:01] <jedix> I don't know where it got 1280x768 from
[20:01:24] <_av500_> boot.scr?
[20:02:01] <jedix> there's not boot.scr on my fat partition for sure.
[20:02:11] <jedix> printenv says dvimode=1024x768MR-16@60
[20:02:19] <jedix> how do I set that to 800x600?
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[20:03:33] <djlewis_> jedix: if a revC have you erased user nand area?
[20:04:00] <jedix> djlewis_: negative
[20:04:14] <djlewis_> if you do it should refresh those settings with yours
[20:04:30] <jedix> but.. how does it know what mine are?
[20:04:54] <djlewis_> it should read the env vars on boot
[20:05:20] <jedix> the env vars were there when I turned it on
[20:05:38] <djlewis_> nand erase 260000 20000
[20:06:10] <jedix> shouldn't "set dvimode 800x600MR-16@60
[20:06:16] <jedix> set it to 800x600?
[20:07:28] <jedix> oh, I see.. it sets it at the bottom, where it doesn't matter.
[20:08:54] <jedix> even with setenv bootargs console=${console} vram=${vram} omapfb.mode=dvi:800x600MR-16@60 omapfb.debug=y omapdss.def_disp=${defaultdisplay}... I get it detecting 1280x768
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[20:09:41] <djlewis_> beagleboards dont detect video modes of monitor
[20:10:50] <jedix> well, I'm trying to set the mode
[20:10:57] <jedix> not detect it
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[20:13:47] <_av500_> jedix: check what ends up in the kernel command line
[20:13:51] <_av500_> in your logs
[20:14:14] <_av500_> this 1280x768 is not "detected"
[20:14:22] <_av500_> uboot gets that from "somewhere"
[20:14:28] <_av500_> nand
[20:14:30] <_av500_> or boot.scr
[20:14:33] <_av500_> or default
[20:14:37] <_av500_> or dunno
[20:14:39] <_av500_> or magic
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[20:16:08] <jedix> it's in uboot for sure.
[20:16:12] <jedix> but I'm overwriting it
[20:16:12] <djlewis_> or erase the ser env varrs as suggested
[20:16:16] <jedix> with 800x600
[20:16:23] <djlewis_> s/ser/user
[20:16:26] <_av500_> 800x480, no?
[20:16:28] <jedix> dvimode=1024x768MR-16@60
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[20:16:41] <jedix> so I try and just set bootargs directly
[20:17:25] <jedix> ah, right..
[20:17:28] <jedix> let me try that..
[20:17:38] <jedix> no, the monitor still thinks it's 1280x768
[20:18:35] <_av500_> what is your kernel cmd line?
[20:20:29] <jedix> setenv bootargs console=${console} vram=${vram} omapfb.mode=dvi:800x480 mapfb.debug=y omapdss.def_disp=${defaultdisplay} root=${mmcroot} rootfstype=${mmcrootfstype}
[20:20:35] <jedix> then I did "boot"
[20:21:40] <jedix> http://pastebin.com/PZ0caWC9
[20:23:19] <jedix> Does that make sense?
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[20:26:38] <_av500_> yes, so what comes after the "boot" :)
[20:26:46] <jedix> hehe, k
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[20:27:03] <_av500_> but i guess it ends up being 1024x768
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[20:29:47] <jedix> http://pastebin.com/Wrzh4yac
[20:30:06] <jedix> even with my setenv bootargs line specifying 800x480?
[20:32:51] <jedix> damn monitor.
[20:33:55] <_av500_> your log is incomplete
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[20:35:06] <Iow> Hi
[20:35:56] <Iow> has anyone here had success with auto direction level shifting for the mmc2?
[20:36:03] <jedix> ?
[20:36:17] <jedix> _av500_: what do you mean?
[20:36:43] <jedix> _av500_: the only thing it's missing is "welcome to meego"
[20:36:49] <_av500_> no, at the statr
[20:36:51] <_av500_> start
[20:36:56] <_av500_> cpu type etc and kernel command line
[20:37:22] <_av500_> jedix: what kernel yre you running btw?
[20:38:28] <jedix> 2.6.34
[20:38:32] <jedix> that's all I have at the start.
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[20:39:44] <_av500_> jedix: where is this kernel from?
[20:39:52] <_av500_> ah right mego
[20:39:59] <_av500_> meego
[20:41:48] <djlewis_> let go my meego.. set it fre... da da da da
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[20:45:24] <_av500_> jedix: ?
[20:45:30] <jedix> yeah?
[20:45:42] <_av500_> jedix: where is this kernel from?
[20:45:58] <jedix> I built it
[20:46:06] <jedix> let me grab meego's directly.
[20:46:09] <_av500_> WITH HEXEDIT?
[20:46:16] <_av500_> oops
[20:46:19] <_av500_> with hexedit?
[20:46:31] <jedix> hexedit?
[20:46:41] <jedix> why would I build my kernel with hexedit?
[20:46:54] <jedix> sorry, I don't understand what you mean
[20:46:58] <_av500_> jedix: where is this kernel from?
[20:47:13] <jedix> I built it from source
[20:47:29] <_av500_> there are a million kernel git trees out there
[20:48:19] <jedix> k, let me grab the meego kernel directly and use that.
[20:48:48] <jedix> kernel-n900 okay?
[20:49:04] <_av500_> does the beagleboard look like a n900?
[20:49:26] <jedix> no
[20:50:03] <_av500_> so why dont you use a beagleboard kernel, like e.g. the one from angstrom
[20:50:36] <_av500_> dm8tbr: whats the news on meego-arm for bb?
[20:50:46] <jedix> because I'm not using angstrom
[20:50:46] <jannau> http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_the_Beagle
[20:51:20] <jannau> jedix: userspace shouldn't care too much about the actual used kernel
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[20:52:37] <jannau> jedix: http://wiki.meego.com/images/Meego-beagle-kernel.tar.bz2 should have a meego 2.6.34 kernel for BB
[20:54:38] <jedix> thanks
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[20:57:09] <jedix> I guess htis is the like you were looking for: Kernel command line: console=ttyS2,115200n8 vram=12M omapfb.mode=dvi:1024x768MR-16@60 omapfb.debug=y omapdss.def_disp=dvi root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rw rootfstype=ext3 rootwait
[20:57:28] <_av500_> yep
[20:57:37] <_av500_> so 1024x768 ends up in there
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[20:58:47] <jedix> thanks
[20:59:01] <_av500_> so, make it have 800x480 there
[20:59:14] <_av500_> dunno if that will work further down in DSS land
[20:59:25] <_av500_> you might check if the kernel modedb has such an entry
[20:59:28] <jedix> yeah, I tried that with setenv bootargs but it doesn't change what's going int here :/
[20:59:43] <_av500_> you should change setenv dvimode, no?
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[20:59:53] <_av500_> since bootaregs uses $dvimode...
[21:00:03] <jedix> if I "setnev divmode" it tacks it on the end
[21:00:07] <_av500_> and you should chekc if your monitor really support 800x480
[21:00:37] <jedix> well, that's what the spec on the website says, the book says less :(
[21:00:44] <jedix> less details, not res
[21:01:10] <_av500_> jedix: 800x480 is the physiacal res, but it might weel be that it does not accept that on the input
[21:02:10] <_av500_> jedix: see what google found me: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Beagleboard_from_scratch
[21:02:14] <_av500_> look for 800x480
[21:04:42] <woglinde_> lol
[21:04:44] <woglinde_> todo
[21:04:45] <woglinde_> Make mouse cursor visible under MeeGo HX for users without touchscreen
[21:05:04] * woglinde_ wonders how many users runs bb with touchscreen
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[21:06:55] * woglinde_ wonders if they use linaro-gcc yet
[21:07:13] <woglinde_> ah there it is
[21:07:17] <woglinde_> cs toolchain
[21:08:24] <_av500_> woglinde_: what is a linaro gcc?
[21:08:52] <woglinde_> https://launchpad.net/gcc-linaro
[21:09:23] <_av500_> "stabilized for consumption by Linux distributions" lol
[21:09:26] <woglinde_> linaro hired cs people and internal people to push most stuff of cs-toolchain upstream
[21:09:36] <_av500_> what are other gccs stabilized for?
[21:09:44] <mru> profit
[21:10:53] * _av500_ thinks toolchains are way overrated
[21:11:38] <woglinde_> hm no
[21:12:00] <woglinde_> they pushed many neon changes
[21:12:32] <woglinde_> so all stuff recompiled get more speed
[21:12:53] <woglinde_> maybee needs more power
[21:13:11] <woglinde_> but that matters only on the n900
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[21:14:21] <_av500_> yes, with all the handcrafted asm truned off
[21:15:16] <mru> neon lol
[21:15:28] <woglinde_> mru *g*
[21:15:37] <mru> you don't really believe that do you?
[21:15:50] <_av500_> i dont
[21:16:29] <woglinde_> hm some has to do benchmarks *g*
[21:16:36] <woglinde_> hm mom
[21:16:39] <woglinde_> they had some
[21:16:41] <woglinde_> hm hm
[21:16:44] <woglinde_> what was the url
[21:16:45] <_av500_> mom?
[21:16:53] <_av500_> benchmom?
[21:16:54] <woglinde_> moment
[21:17:38] <woglinde_> https://wiki.linaro.org/MichaelHope/Sandbox/11.05Requirements
[21:18:33] <_av500_> what is that? a term paper?
[21:19:05] <woglinde_> dont know
[21:19:08] <woglinde_> *g*
[21:19:12] <_av500_> ...Optimise memcpy(), strcpy(), and the other top five string routines for Thumb2 ...
[21:19:38] <mru> dhrystone much?
[21:19:57] <_av500_> optimized memcpy will be asm coded, so where does gcc matter?
[21:20:12] <mru> for compiling fast_memcpy
[21:20:34] <woglinde_> sorry dont find the other side yet and its to late and I am to lazy to search the irc-log
[21:21:01] <woglinde_> hm right I should talk about linaro-toolchain
[21:21:18] <mru> let's just say I'm not feeling at all threatened in my profession
[21:21:40] <_av500_> woglinde_: does it at least output error message in the new font?
[21:21:56] <_av500_> that wouldset it apart...
[21:21:57] <woglinde_> av500 o.O
[21:22:23] <mru> _av500_: don't you know that linaro isn't ubuntu?
[21:22:30] <mru> it's not it's not it's not it's not
[21:22:40] <woglinde_> *g*
[21:22:42] <mru> if we say it enough times maybe it becomes true
[21:23:04] <woglinde_> linaro is not an reaction to meego
[21:23:08] <woglinde_> *g*
[21:23:43] <mru> thus far linaro has produced a compiler that can be built without heavy patching
[21:23:54] <mru> which is of course nice and all
[21:24:04] <mru> but still not worth all the hype
[21:24:20] <_av500_> +1
[21:24:25] <mru> oh, and they've taken all the pandaboards
[21:25:03] <mru> except the one _av500_ pulled from the cold hands of some unfortunate ubuntu
[21:25:05] <mru> dev
[21:26:45] <woglinde_> hahaha
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[21:27:28] <_av500_> mru: never could tell from the severed hand who it was...
[21:27:34] <jedix> bah
[21:28:41] <dm8tbr> _av500_: beagle meego you should ask harbaum
[21:28:50] <dm8tbr> he is working on this mainly
[21:28:55] <_av500_> dm8tbr: moi? non
[21:29:03] <_av500_> jedix: ^^^
[21:29:41] <woglinde_> why should I ask him
[21:29:46] <woglinde_> I can read
[21:29:50] <woglinde_> the wiki
[21:30:01] <woglinde_> and I dont like rpm
[21:30:19] <jedix> _av500_: I tested another monitor and it's fine (a dell)
[21:30:33] <_av500_> what res?
[21:31:00] * dm8tbr still wants to see it work on his a5it
[21:31:35] <_av500_> dm8tbr: what is holding you back?
[21:31:36] <dm8tbr> sadly I didn't manage yet to beat SGX into submission. opening the pvr device fails in some weird way
[21:31:37] <woglinde_> dm8tbr hm I am glad for him he got his egalax-touchscreen working
[21:31:54] <woglinde_> without the binary druver
[21:32:07] * mru has "fond" memories of egalax
[21:32:15] <dm8tbr> I'll need tslib for the one in the a5it IIRC
[21:32:26] <_av500_> dm8tbr: egalax, isnt that in a9?
[21:32:46] * mru hopes the driver situation has improved since 2004
[21:32:47] <dm8tbr> _av500_: dunno, don't own one, wasn't it emgd?
[21:32:48] <woglinde_> _av500_ touchscreen build in?
[21:32:54] <woglinde_> mru yes
[21:33:03] <_av500_> woglinde_: yes, the a9 has a ts
[21:33:16] <_av500_> our win7 tablet pc
[21:33:21] <_av500_> (sont laugh)
[21:33:24] <_av500_> dont
[21:33:24] <jedix> _av500_: it detected and worked at 1024x768
[21:33:33] <jedix> this one detects the same signal as 1280x768
[21:33:40] <woglinde_> av500 hm I thought you mean the processor-core
[21:33:46] <jedix> both use hdmi->dvi
[21:33:50] * mru laughs
[21:34:01] <woglinde_> jedix edid lies a hell
[21:34:09] <_av500_> woglinde_: no edid yet
[21:35:03] <chrisw957> hello all... I'm booting from ubifs in nand. Works fine for several boot cycles, then it will boot all the way up to the point where I would get a login prompt, and hangs.
[21:35:12] <chrisw957> I can still ping it though.
[21:35:18] * woglinde_ wonders how till will achive this goal with meego -> Improve overall usability by e.g. reducing memory usag
[21:35:39] <chrisw957> I enabled kernel debug, but don't see any new msgs.
[21:36:05] <chrisw957> Not sure how to find what is hanging it. (ctrl-c on the console doesn't do anything)
[21:37:11] <chrisw957> I must admit I'm not doing a clean shutdown either... The power is just getting pulled.
[21:37:18] <jedix> enable serial console? try an ssd boot and try looking at the logs?
[21:38:24] <chrisw957> I'm watching the boot from the serial console, seems normal right up until it freezes.
[21:38:43] <chrisw957> I put "debug" in my bootargs thinking that would turn on everything possible, right?
[21:38:45] <woglinde_> chrisw957 still booting the old kernel?
[21:39:19] <chrisw957> Ummm, yes, my kernel is old-- 2.6.32 (psp)
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[21:40:24] <chrisw957> I guess I could test if the same thing happens if the fs is mounted ro.
[21:40:53] <chrisw957> I'm assuming it must be fs corruption, but the ubifs msgs say it did a recovery ok.
[21:41:12] <woglinde_> chrisw957 no I meant the old version you compiled
[21:41:35] <woglinde_> by the way 2.6.32 psp is the newest kernel which can make use of the dsp
[21:41:59] <chrisw957> And the boot always fails in the same place. I can restore the fs, and do my power cycle tests and it will quit booting in the same place again eventually.
[21:43:42] <chrisw957> I'm not sure I understand the question... It boots the kernel stored in the fat32 partition. I never have to restore that.
[21:44:03] <chrisw957> I've reproduced it on two different systems.
[21:44:15] <crazy_pete> hey mru what OS you use on yer bb?
[21:44:18] <crazy_pete> er what distro
[21:44:39] <mru> linux
[21:44:51] <mru> gentoo of sorts
[21:45:08] <mru> I wouldn't recommend my method
[21:45:12] <mru> it works for me
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[21:45:41] <crazy_pete> http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060427072916/uncyclopedia/images/9/9a/Nothitler.jpg
[21:45:46] <crazy_pete> so u compiled yer own, good deal
[21:45:51] <crazy_pete> whose tool chain?
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[21:46:10] <mru> various
[21:47:55] * crazy_pete has gotten various distros to boot on BB but can't decide :)
[21:48:39] <woglinde_> throw dices
[21:48:50] <crazy_pete> probably as good an idea as any woglinde_
[21:49:03] <_av500_> crazy_pete: mix them together
[21:50:53] <crazy_pete> :) _av500_
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[22:04:20] * mru has forcefully installed gentoo over an ubuntu installation
[22:04:30] <mru> it was a bit weird at first
[22:04:45] <mru> got better with each gentoo package
[22:05:14] <crazy_pete> hehe you really just can't run non open source software on an open source system
[22:05:26] <mru> uh huh?
[22:05:36] <mru> I do that all the time...
[22:05:43] <woglinde_> good nite
[22:05:55] <crazy_pete> I think the next time a girl hits on me i am gonna say
[22:06:13] <crazy_pete> "You have 5 minutes to convince me you are less annoynig than my hand"
[22:06:19] <crazy_pete> "What, what the hell..."
[22:06:30] <crazy_pete> "My hand doesn't talk, so you lose, bye" (and walk away) :)
[22:06:40] <woglinde_> mru in earlier life I did similar with installing debian over suse on an alpha machine
[22:06:49] <crazy_pete> oops shit sorry wrong window
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[22:46:07] <scrp3l> Guys, is this ok for a BB xM ?
[22:46:08] <scrp3l> BogoMIPS : 662.76
[22:46:15] <scrp3l> Or do i need to tweak something ?
[22:46:22] <_av500_> it is bogus
[22:47:07] <scrp3l> hm
[22:47:18] <scrp3l> Earlier, when trying to boot, i got this message
[22:47:19] <scrp3l> Kernel is not ready for 1Ghz limiting to 800Mhz
[22:47:27] <_av500_> sound about right
[22:47:34] <scrp3l> ok
[22:48:06] <_av500_> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies
[22:48:20] <_av500_> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq
[22:48:25] <_av500_> etc
[22:49:00] <scrp3l> hmm, under cpu0 there is no cpufreq dir
[22:49:06] <scrp3l> just a crash_notes file
[22:49:46] <_av500_> then yoiur kernel does not have cpufreq
[22:49:49] <_av500_> enabled
[22:50:04] <scrp3l> Is that a module i can load ?
[22:50:08] <_av500_> no
[22:50:13] <scrp3l> ok
[22:50:19] <scrp3l> i need to compile it with that
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