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IRC Log for 2010-10-22

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[01:04:11] <djlewis> gm
[01:05:59] <_av500_> gm
[01:07:45] <djlewis> fixing to try to clone my 160GB to a 320GB, Ubuntu 10.04
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[01:08:55] <djlewis> getting this ol HP amd64x2-3800 up to 2GB ram and the 320.
[01:09:09] <djlewis> need to add OE :)
[01:09:53] <_av500_> djlewis: do it a favor and take it out back and shoot it
[01:10:31] <djlewis> _av500_: how I would love to move on up but alas I cant at this time.
[01:11:00] <mru> djlewis: I'll lend you my shotgun
[01:11:30] <djlewis> i just gotta love you guys, what with all the love around and all :)
[01:11:38] <_av500_> djlewis: you are working on pcs all the time, no?
[01:11:44] <_av500_> just swap a mobo by accident
[01:11:51] <djlewis> which is how I get what I have
[01:12:14] <djlewis> this ine is a survivor of cap replacement
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[01:15:56] <djlewis> actually i am using my C2 atm
[01:16:18] * _av500_ prefers C4
[01:16:25] <_av500_> more boom for the buck
[01:16:36] <mru> bunny?
[01:16:44] <_av500_> bang
[01:16:53] <djlewis> with the shotgun
[01:17:14] <_av500_> Im sure you can use a shotgun to ignite C4
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[01:19:24] <djlewis> does sudo cp -r -p /olddrive /newdrive make any sense to use?
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[01:20:08] <djlewis> I am using the Ubuntu 10.04 live cd
[01:20:44] <djlewis> or ddrescue..?
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[01:32:39] <JakeJBailey> no one gonna suggest thermite?
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[01:41:39] <emeb> _av500_: how's CA?
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[01:52:44] <JakeJBailey1> hmm crazy
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[01:53:03] <JakeJBailey1> whenever i talk to this certain kid on google chat i lose my internet connection
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[01:53:13] <JakeJBailey1> but i can still talk on this irc channel
[01:53:25] <JakeJBailey1> got to love windows
[01:54:32] <djlewis> i use an xp box that will reset itself randomly when I use Firefox :P
[01:54:38] <djlewis> at the office
[01:54:48] <muzkatriovsky> hey, does anyone knows a place that offer discount on xM board for students?
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[02:14:55] <JakeJBailey1> guess im just gonna make my own pandora
[02:15:00] <JakeJBailey1> lol, beagleboy
[02:18:26] <djlewis> find your lcd screen interface?
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[02:23:10] <djlewis> one of our vendors is wanting to send us some android tablets to muck with
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[02:50:08] <emeb|mac> android tablets - ooohhh
[02:50:44] <djlewis> i suggested they get me one to play with, sposed to not cost us anything
[02:50:47] <ds2> hmmmm
[02:51:36] <emeb|mac> sounds like fun.
[02:51:42] <djlewis> these micro sd's are tiny
[02:51:50] <emeb|mac> yep
[02:52:06] <emeb|mac> fun to work with tho - I've built them into a few projects.
[02:52:12] <djlewis> fun, i would probably tire of it in about 15 minutes tops
[02:52:18] <ds2> emeb: microsd? not emmc?
[02:52:26] <emeb|mac> ds2: yes
[02:52:33] * djlewis referred to android
[02:52:44] <emeb|mac> sockets are cheap - < $2 in small qty
[02:52:50] <ds2> emeb|mac: Oh socketed
[02:52:57] <ds2> thought you reflowed solder underneath it
[02:53:01] <djlewis> but i did pickup a m-sd with reader today
[02:53:07] <emeb|mac> and easy to move between between UUT and PC
[02:53:10] <djlewis> or is that uSD
[02:53:41] <djlewis> the reader is about twice as long and thick as the card :(
[02:53:55] <emeb|mac> ds2: did have to use hotplate to reflow solder in uSD sockets
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[02:54:08] <djlewis> 5 year warranty
[02:55:22] <djlewis> dang child proff package, can't get stuff out
[02:55:27] <djlewis> proof
[02:55:41] <emeb|mac> keep scissors handy
[02:56:17] <djlewis> its like lamenated cardboard with heavy plastic sandwiched inside
[02:56:25] <emeb|mac> yech
[02:56:56] <djlewis> here go the scissors
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[02:57:48] <djlewis> partial success, got the ckicklets sized reader and sd adapter out
[02:59:45] <djlewis> stick card with reader in BB
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[03:02:11] <djlewis> hmmm, beagle ignored the uSD
[03:02:51] <emeb|mac> cruel, heartless beagle
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[03:03:51] <djlewis> second insertion was the charm
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[03:04:20] <djlewis> 4.0 GB Media icon and open file browser
[03:05:55] <djlewis> where to keep it so it doesnt get lost :(
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[03:13:25] <djlewis> perfect, a leftover p4 carier
[03:13:28] <djlewis> carrier
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[03:27:24] <djlewis> emeb|mac:my stm32 shows on my BB
[03:27:27] <djlewis> Bus 002 Device 009: ID 0483:3744 SGS Thomson Microelectronics
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[03:28:11] <djlewis> just not gonna talk that nda talk
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[03:38:37] <djlewis> gn guys
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[04:21:56] <JakeJBailey1> yea dj im making my own
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[04:42:38] <ds2> Hmmmm
[04:42:47] <ds2> quiet night
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[04:56:25] <FunkyBob> allo, again
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[04:57:16] <FunkyBob> what's peoples preferred jtag tool for working with a xM ?
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[05:04:12] <ABHi_> hello
[05:05:14] <FunkyBob> hi
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[05:15:16] <russ> oooh, tglx merged a bunch of genirq stuff
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[05:16:32] <ds2> Hmmm?
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[05:17:39] <russ> a800c7c..27afdf2
[05:17:49] <russ> (merge commit 4a60cfa
[05:18:03] <russ> (cfa, btw, has awesome chicken strips)
[05:19:36] <ds2> cfa?
[05:21:48] <russ> chick fil a
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[05:23:23] <russ> I'm pretty sure its a cover for some type of cult, but they make great food
[05:23:36] <ds2> I see. don't think I have seen them
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[05:24:42] <russ> I just did a google search, and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one '
[05:24:43] <russ> CHICK-FIL-A IS NOT A CULT!! I LOVE WORKING THERE JUST SOME CHANGES NEED TO HAPPEN TO KEEP ME!!'
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[05:29:06] <FunkyBob> never heard of it.
[05:29:47] <russ> The rant above would be awesome if it broke out in zalgo
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[05:30:41] <russ> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/regex-match-open-tags-except-xhtml-self-contained-tags
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[05:42:40] <ds2> Hmmmmm
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[07:16:41] <_koen_> what's the usecase for installing a .ko into /usr/bin?
[07:18:58] <jannau> _koen_: insmod /usr/bin/*.ko or a weird modprobe
[07:20:16] <mru> or to annoy koen
[07:21:04] <_koen_> this whole driver gives me a feeling of impending doom
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[07:22:30] <_koen_> I think it's partly my fault
[07:22:50] <_koen_> I told them to stop shoving .ko and binaries into /opt/ti/foo/
[07:23:02] <_koen_> so I guess they now shove it all in to /usr/bin
[07:23:41] <_koen_> TI people use an autotools style approach to makefiles: copy one from a project that went into production
[07:23:46] <hitlin37> i think i forgot to select something on audio side for my rootfs...no sound..http://pastebin.com/9QtLQ1An..
[07:24:15] * daurnimator waves
[07:24:33] <_koen_> hitlin37: or something is hogging your audio device
[07:24:42] <_koen_> hitlin37: does -ao sdl do any better?
[07:24:58] <ds2> having it in /usr/bin would be handy if the .ko files are fat binaries... one that work both as a kernel module when insmod'ed and as a userspace driver if ran directly :D
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[07:25:31] <ds2> personally, I prefer userspace drivers to live in /usr/sbin though :D
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[07:26:49] <hitlin37> -ao sd1 says no sound no audio....mplayer out.ts plays the file ....but i can't hear any sound
[07:28:52] <hitlin37> koen thanks for inherit module thing...it worked for me
[07:30:13] <koen> international capslock day
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[07:42:02] <hitlin37> there's sound controls in the right corner plus..going to preference->sound..says...waiting for sound system to respond
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[07:48:52] <hitlin37> no sound with other players too
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[08:11:01] <koen> oh dear, jkridner sent an ical to the list
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[09:36:16] <ant_work> koen: what about removing 2.6.29 < linux-kexecboot < 2.6.36 ? Any omap3 use?
[09:37:26] <_koen_> none working
[09:37:36] <_koen_> ant_work: but why are you so keen on removing stuff?
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[09:37:59] <ant_work> I hate pgdown to scroll my termina ...
[09:38:19] <ant_work> /linux is just too full
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[12:14:30] <ant_work> koen: about none working, aehm, atm there is a bug in kexecboot: black screen if framebuffer is *not* rotated
[12:15:42] <ant_work> afaik kexec works on beagle
[12:16:21] <_av500_> tguillem: yes, index thread
[12:16:23] <_av500_> oops
[12:16:26] <_av500_> hi guys
[12:21:49] <koen> hey _av500_
[12:21:52] <koen> how's googleville?
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[12:36:05] <_av500_> not yet there
[12:36:11] <_av500_> start tonight
[12:40:43] <koen> still in .de?
[12:41:44] <_av500_> no
[12:41:46] <_av500_> cupertino
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[12:44:25] <koen> ah
[12:44:32] <koen> meeting with sjobs
[12:44:35] <_av500_> yeah
[12:45:55] <koen> ask him why their laptop batteries suck so much
[12:46:00] <sakoman_> say "hi" for me
[12:46:10] * _av500_ shouts hi
[12:46:16] <sakoman_> :-)
[12:46:28] <_av500_> koen: you are holding them wrong
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[13:18:45] <BlInK311> hey guys, i downloaded a angstrom image and i cant seem to untar it. it keeps telling me "cannot execute binary file"
[13:18:47] <BlInK311> any ideas?
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[13:40:51] <jkridner|work> at the airport about to head to the mentor summit.... trying to sign us up for Google Code-In real fast.
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[13:44:51] <jkridner|work> hmmm.... looks like we need to assign categories and difficulty levels to our ideas....
[13:44:59] <jkridner|work> maybe this won't be trivial to sign up.
[13:45:09] <jkridner|work> I'll look again once in California
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[13:58:17] <koen> prpplague: ping
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[14:01:14] <BlInK311> hey guys im trying to follow the "Video tutorial on how to install ?ngstr?m on a beagleboard" video. everything works until the sync point. i keep receiving "cannot execute binary file" message
[14:01:33] <BlInK311> any pointers?
[14:02:57] <BlInK311> or anything i could try to get the card to sync to the temp folder?
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[14:05:40] <koen> BlInK311: pastebin the commands you're typing
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[14:13:04] <prpplague> koen: ping
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[14:13:19] <BlInK311> following the video, i untar the image to the temp folder
[14:14:27] <BlInK311> then it says to sync the system by using 'sync' and it give me the "cannot execute binary file"
[14:16:38] <BlInK311> doesnt the boot fat32 partition need MLO file to boot as well. the video only loads the uImage onto the partition and says it should boot from there
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[14:23:12] <BlInK311> sorry for all the stupid questions. i just wanna get this thing working
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[15:59:00] <atl> anyone know mirror to get beagleboard.rootfs.tar.bz2 ?
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[16:10:39] <atl> hello?
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[16:14:37] <JakeJBailey> hey
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[16:32:15] <Jefro> /msg NickServ identify booger
[16:32:41] <kanru1> oops
[16:32:47] <mru> thanks for sharing your password
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[16:33:05] <mru> that is most generous
[16:33:29] <Jefro> mru - you are welcome, happy friday :p
[16:35:45] <Ceriand|work> Jefro: if you use your nick and password to connect to the IRC server, I'll automatically identify you
[16:35:53] <Ceriand|work> *it'll
[16:36:10] <Jefro> Ceriand|work thanks - for some reason pidgin has issues when I revive from suspend
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[16:39:09] * emeb has noticed Pidgin issues with unsuspend on MacOS too
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[16:40:35] <mru> irssi ftw
[16:44:15] <atl> anyone ever have u-boot stop after I2C: ready (before DRAM and NAND info are displayed) ?
[16:45:10] <sakoman__> atl: update your MLO
[16:47:48] * emeb wonders why u-boot can't fix that I2C issue itself & must rely on MLO
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[16:50:50] <koen> atl: your mlo is too old
[16:53:54] <Jefro> airstage
[16:54:23] <Jefro> not having a good day with my kvm
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[17:12:29] <odesus> Hi!! Does anybody can orient me about Android vs Debian for OMAP3530?
[17:12:56] <mru> android fast, debian slow
[17:13:36] <odesus> mru: but what about considerations of robustness and kernel performance?
[17:13:49] <odesus> is not android limitated?
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[17:14:17] <_av500_> do you know google?
[17:14:41] <odesus> _av500: No, I don't know it
[17:14:43] <emeb> cause google knows you!
[17:15:04] <odesus> emeb: really ?
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[17:15:42] <gidilat_> can USB100v2 JTAG from Blackhawk DSP be used to debug code running on Cortex-A8 in the beagleboard with CCSv4?
[17:16:30] <_av500_> gidilat_: i think so
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[17:18:00] <gidilat_> _av500_: just wondering whether to purchase the JTAG or not. The price seems right sub $100.
[17:18:15] <_av500_> i have one but did not try it yet
[17:18:53] <gidilat_> so you never had the need to use the JTAG?
[17:19:41] <odesus> _av500_: look for Google it can really helps to understand how to use Jtag newbie
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[17:28:14] <sakoman__> emeb: If you use upstream u-boot it does not have that limitation
[17:28:37] <emeb> nice!
[17:29:02] <emeb> sakoman__: Just seemed like u-boot should be able to initialize the I2C from scratch.
[17:29:18] <sakoman__> emeb: has nothing to do with i2c :-)
[17:30:05] <emeb> sakoman__: Oh? Pinmux? Power domains?
[17:30:23] <sakoman__> second ddr bank setup
[17:31:01] <sakoman__> (iirc)
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[17:31:50] <sakoman__> emeb: though the i2c driver did have a multitude of issues
[17:31:55] <sakoman__> which I fixed this week
[17:32:41] <emeb> cool - good to clean out the dust on critical stuff like that.
[17:34:06] <emeb> sakoman__: is the upstream the one I helped test a few weeks back?
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[17:34:38] <sakoman__> emeb: back then the i2c driver was still broken
[17:34:56] <emeb> sakoman__: understood, but from same git?
[17:35:05] <sakoman__> yes
[17:35:21] <sakoman__> if you wait about an hour the final mods will be in that repo
[17:35:34] <emeb> OK - I should grab that.
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[17:35:56] <sakoman__> I have one more i2c driver fix for 37XX, and a final tweak to the Beagle expansion detection code
[17:36:09] <sakoman__> I will ping you when it is ready
[17:36:13] <emeb> IIRC you sped that up a bit, no?
[17:36:30] <sakoman__> yes, many, many times faster now
[17:36:47] <emeb> nice. Sounds like a big improvement.
[17:39:11] <sakoman__> emeb: 'i2c probe' went from 9 seconds to 0.4 seconds
[17:39:37] <emeb> sounds like someone was overpadding their timeouts
[17:39:49] <sakoman__> emeb: and 'i2c md 48 0 100' went from 17s to 1s
[17:40:11] <emeb> 17 sec. whoa
[17:40:30] <sakoman__> it was just bad code. no udelays were needed at all
[17:41:00] <sakoman__> you can just monitor state transistions in the status register and eliminate udelays
[17:41:16] <emeb> but that's haaaard! :)
[17:41:20] <sakoman__> nah
[17:41:35] <sakoman__> well, back to patch preparation.
[17:41:42] <emeb> l8r
[17:41:43] <sakoman__> I'll ping you after I push the commits
[17:41:46] <emeb> thx
[17:42:19] <sakoman__> a "tested-by" on the list for the expansion patch I will post later today would be most welcome (if it works for you!)
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[17:46:14] <emeb> Sure - I'll give it a try. Will be busy most of today, but hope to get a crack at it soon.
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[18:10:40] <sakoman__> emeb: the patches are available in the omap4-exp branch of my u-boot repo
[18:10:47] <sakoman__> let me know if you find any issues
[18:10:56] <ds2> stop screwing with i2c in u-boot ;)
[18:10:58] * ds2 ducks
[18:11:11] <emeb> sakoman__: OK thanks - I'll get it.
[18:11:25] <sakoman__> ds2: well, at least i2c works now!
[18:11:33] <emeb> ds2: just part of the inevitable march of progress.
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[18:11:47] <emeb> u-boot is on it's way to fulfilling JWZ's law.
[18:11:55] <ds2> bootloaders are suppose to load things for booting not be an OS by itself!
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[18:27:12] <emeb> sakoman__: any prep I need other than build with the omap3_beagle_config and copy to my SD card?
[18:27:21] <emeb> (clear NAND, etc?)
[18:27:26] <koen> emeb: is it full moon?
[18:27:39] <emeb> Just tried it and it hangs at DRAM: 256 MiB
[18:28:01] <emeb> koen: no, but I think I'm holding my mouth just in the right posisition... :)
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[18:28:51] <sakoman__> emeb: you shouldn't need any special prep
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[18:29:24] <emeb> sakoman__: OK - reverting to previous u-boot.bin to check everything is OK
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[18:30:20] <sakoman__> emeb: hopefully I didn't screw anything up when I squashed patches :-)
[18:30:27] <sakoman__> I am rebuilding now too
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[18:31:15] <emeb> OK - reverted to previous version (your omap4-exp from 9-23-2010) and works again
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[18:32:35] <emeb> sakoman__: for reference this is on a C2 board with my FPGA board attached...
[18:32:54] <sakoman__> emed: did you clear you u-boot env when trying the new build? mmc env stuff changes with move to new mmc driver
[18:33:27] <emeb> sakoman__: yes - I did a rm -rf on the previous and cloned / branched from scratch
[18:33:42] <sakoman__> no, I mean the nand u-boot env
[18:34:07] <emeb> Ah - didn't touch the NAND yet.
[18:34:55] <emeb> but I had cleared it last month and the 9-23 u-boot complains about invalid NAND env
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[18:36:59] <sakoman__> emeb: could you try the beagle u-boot binary here: http://www.sakoman.com/test/
[18:37:37] <sakoman__> I just built it from omap4-exp and it works on Beagle xM. Perhaps it is a C2 rev issue??
[18:37:55] <emeb> sakoman__: trying...
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[18:39:37] <sakoman__> emeb: hmmm . . . seems ok on my C3 with no expansion board
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[18:43:16] <emeb> sakoman__: OK - yours works on my BB
[18:43:32] <sakoman__> so a build issue of some sort?
[18:43:32] <emeb> I must have screwed something up when building from your git
[18:43:45] <emeb> Here's what I did:
[18:44:13] <emeb> rm -rf u-boot # kill old code
[18:44:21] <emeb> git clone git://www.sakoman.com/git/u-boot.git
[18:44:29] <emeb> cd u-boot/
[18:44:37] <emeb> git checkout omap4-exp
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[18:45:06] <emeb> CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-eabi- make omap3_beagle_config # use my arm gcc
[18:45:06] <sakoman__> I would have expected that command to give an error
[18:45:24] <emeb> hmm.
[18:45:30] <emeb> what should it have been?
[18:46:48] <emeb> and finally:
[18:46:55] <emeb> CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-eabi- make
[18:47:09] <emeb> which resulted in an apparently OK u-boot.bin
[18:47:17] <emeb> that hung...
[18:47:20] <sakoman__> I would have done 'git checkout -b omap4-exp origin/overo'
[18:47:37] <emeb> I'll do a make distclean and retry
[18:47:41] <sakoman__> if you do a git status, what branch does it say you are on?
[18:47:55] <emeb> # On branch omap4-exp
[18:48:03] <sakoman__> git log?
[18:48:21] <emeb> commit c5e8e6b4ac9c18b712b580ff25ad0edaa560414a
[18:48:21] <emeb> Author: Steve Sakoman <steve@sakoman.com>
[18:48:21] <emeb> Date: Fri Oct 22 10:44:57 2010 -0700
[18:48:34] <sakoman__> oops above I meant 'git checkout -b omap4-exp origin/omap4-exp'
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[18:49:29] <sakoman__> emed, well that looks like the right commit!
[18:49:30] <emeb> OK - once more unto the breach...
[18:49:52] <sakoman__> so I would think you should end up with the same bits as me!
[18:50:16] <emeb> I'll try a binary diff...
[18:50:30] <sakoman__> there will be timestamp diffss
[18:52:16] <emeb> yeah
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[18:52:43] <emeb> filesizes different too though
[18:53:13] <emeb> yours: 268728, mine: 251460
[18:53:27] <emeb> wonder if it's a GCC thing?
[18:54:02] <emeb> I'm using: gcc version 4.4.1 (Sourcery G++ Lite 2009q3-68)
[18:54:58] <sakoman__> I'm using 4.3.3 (OE standard)
[18:55:11] <mru> the wiser choice
[18:55:30] * emeb was waiting for mru's ruling.
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[18:56:04] <_av500_> toolchains are overrated
[18:56:06] <mru> 4.4 is gcc enterprise edition
[18:56:12] <mru> slow and bloated
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[18:56:36] <emeb> need to figure out how to use the OE toolchain...
[18:56:44] <emeb> probably just add it to my path...
[18:56:45] <sakoman__> don't pay attention to av500, he's jet lagged and confused ;-)
[18:57:31] <sakoman__> and trying to sleep right near ground zero of the reality distortion field in Cupertino, CA
[18:57:33] <emeb> but where is it in the oe fs
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[18:58:58] <_av500_> sakoman__: most of times i am confused without jetlag!
[18:59:35] <sakoman__> emeb: tmp/sysroots/i686-linux/usr/armv7a/bin
[18:59:40] <sakoman__> (iirc)
[18:59:44] <emeb> looks like maybe $OE/angstrom-dev/sysroots/x86_64-linux/usr/armv7a/bin/
[19:00:39] * sakoman__ steps away to grab some lunch
[19:01:04] * djlewis_ just finished last lb of Wednesdays burrito :)
[19:01:59] <_av500_> lb as in "pound"?
[19:02:21] <djlewis_> as in US weight standard lb
[19:02:22] <mru> a sterling burrito
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[19:03:29] <emeb> trying again w/ OE version of gcc
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[19:04:35] <djlewis_> got my memory installed and hd up on the linux PC this morning. Will be adding OE
[19:05:00] <emeb> aha - my u-boot.bin is bigger now. Try booting it...
[19:05:12] <_av500_> bigger is better?
[19:05:44] * mru wants a one size fits all bootloader
[19:06:19] <Crofton|work> mru wants to use ffmpeg as a bootloader
[19:06:37] <koen> h264 bootsplash
[19:06:50] <emeb> Aha! Worked!
[19:06:55] <_av500_> koen: we did consider that briefly
[19:07:11] <emeb> Looks like another nail in the coffin of gcc version 4.4.1 (Sourcery G++ Lite 2009q3-68)
[19:07:49] <emeb> now to amend my .bashrc to deprecate that
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[19:08:53] <koen> who uses 4.4?
[19:08:57] <atl> is bitbake x-load the right way to rebuild MLO ?
[19:09:04] * emeb hangs head in shame...
[19:09:32] * djlewis_ wants his bootloader with cheese and onions
[19:10:20] <koen> hmm, do I tell mark that the solution isn't ds5 or do I keep quiet?
[19:11:07] <_av500_> koen: i had the same thought :)
[19:12:12] <dm8tbr> I thought mru found an application for ds5 ;)
[19:12:26] <mru> I did
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[19:21:17] <Crofton|work> hmm
[19:21:24] <Crofton|work> did I miss a spam
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[19:22:26] <_av500_> you want spam?
[19:23:03] <koen> Crofton|work: mark needs the cpuidle-gether uImage
[19:23:15] <koen> maybe I should symlink that to uImage-ds5
[19:23:18] * dm8tbr will have for breakfast eggs baked beans spam spam spam spam
[19:23:21] <koen> even though it lacks gator
[19:25:07] <sakoman__> emeb: glad it works for you now
[19:25:33] <koen> hmmm, I should have tested sakomans uboot earlier
[19:25:39] <koen> too late to get it into c5 now :(
[19:26:47] <sakoman__> koen: you'll note I finally fixed the error in i2c_probe on Beagle xM
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[19:27:20] <sakoman__> so your "ignore the following error" printf is no longer required
[19:27:47] <koen> sweet
[19:28:12] <sakoman__> and readding the eeprom is *much* faster now
[19:28:18] <koen> sweet
[19:28:47] <sakoman__> I'll send the expansion patch to the list this afternoon
[19:28:54] <koen> I have a spare xM now, so I can experiment a bit more
[19:28:58] <Crofton|work> damn
[19:29:13] <Crofton|work> that means I should figuer out why it doesn't work for me ...
[19:29:17] <koen> es1.0, but working
[19:29:32] <sakoman__> Crofton|work: what isn't working?
[19:29:44] <emeb> sakoman__: yep - boots nice and fast now
[19:30:21] <koen> sakoman__: fwiw angstrom-next doesn't show fonts in gnome
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[19:33:08] <sakoman__> koen: haven't seen that issue, but then I'm not using angstrom-next yet!
[19:33:25] <koen> using it on panda
[19:33:39] <koen> 2x a9 a 1ghz is really neat
[19:34:03] <_av500_> koen: drawn over to the dark side?
[19:34:09] <Crofton|work> if I boot with new u-nboot, the fpga interface is hosed
[19:34:18] <Crofton|work> haven't had time to look at it
[19:34:20] <emeb> need some apps that handle multi-thread to really push it hard.
[19:34:36] <_av500_> Crofton|work: wrt your gpmc adventures, you have a place where I could see that?
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[19:34:57] <Crofton|work> _av500_, not yet ...
[19:34:58] <_av500_> emeb: you can alsways run browsers vs the rest :)
[19:35:08] <sakoman__> Crofton|work: did you check to make sure I got your pinmux set properly in the expansion patch?
[19:35:16] <emeb> _av500_: true - that's a good way to push hard
[19:35:24] <Crofton|work> haven't had a chance :(
[19:35:34] <Crofton|work> I know I need to do it ....
[19:35:46] <Crofton|work> sakoman__, do you have the url handy>
[19:35:55] <sakoman__> sure
[19:36:03] <Crofton|work> we are leaving town at 5
[19:36:11] <Crofton|work> back tomorrow night, then on plane to .eu
[19:36:15] * emeb looking forward to panda to try gpmc stuff too.
[19:36:19] <Crofton|work> _av500_, will you be at ELCE?
[19:36:23] <sakoman__> Crofton|work: http://www.sakoman.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=u-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=d955c935e8ba749d888fbf17f2fa9b6e1eb3e36f
[19:36:49] <_av500_> Crofton|work: sadly not, a gig in tel aviv got inbetween
[19:36:57] <Crofton|work> bummer
[19:37:09] <emeb> tel aviv is fun
[19:37:11] <mru> Crofton|work: you going?
[19:37:13] <emeb> good food...
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[19:37:20] <Crofton|work> elce yes
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[19:43:07] <Crofton|work> pinmux looks ok
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[19:56:48] <sakoman__> Crofton|work: I wonder what else could be wrong
[19:57:27] <Crofton|work> yeah
[19:57:29] <Crofton|work> I am thinking
[19:57:35] <Crofton|work> and getting ready to pack car
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[19:57:52] <sakoman__> ethernet works, so it can't be gpmc screwed up
[19:58:30] <sakoman__> Crofton: is the issue something I can test on my board?
[20:00:42] <Crofton|work> not easily
[20:01:02] <Crofton|work> time stress is not helping
[20:01:10] <Crofton|work> in that we are going out of town for a day
[20:01:17] <Crofton|work> and I have a plane to catch on Sunday
[20:01:34] <Crofton|work> I skimmed overo.h and did not see anything obvious
[20:01:37] <Crofton|work> ah
[20:01:40] <Crofton|work> I know what to try
[20:03:49] <Crofton|work> oh
[20:03:55] <Crofton|work> that is weird
[20:04:05] <Crofton|work> the fpga is getting loaded
[20:04:15] <Crofton|work> and that is the pinmux changes
[20:04:24] <Crofton|work> so I think mux is good
[20:04:36] <Crofton|work> need to look at the other gpios I use
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[20:08:21] <mzakharo> hello, I have a noobie question in regards to setting up a video streaming server on a beagleboard - I am planning to use TI DSP optimised gstreamer, while streaming from 3 webcams simoltaneously, encoding in mpeg4, and sending over rtp - is it possible
[20:08:29] <Crofton|work> sakoman__, in
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[20:08:32] <Crofton|work> http://www.sakoman.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=u-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=ba9a11e4ea27d43bfc3d9f1787117fe4826b3ce7
[20:08:42] <Crofton|work> you fondle gpmc4
[20:12:42] <mzakharo> Does anyone have any metrics of CPU/DSP loads for encoding MPEG4 video with gstreamer on beagleboard?
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[20:17:06] <sakoman__> Crofton|work: so the setup for your board would need to unfondle it when the board is detected
[20:17:25] <sakoman__> Crofton|work: but that patch has been in the Overo u-boot forever!
[20:18:01] <sakoman__> well, feels like forever anyway :-)
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[20:18:36] <sakoman__> Crofton|work: let me know what gpmc4 tweaks are required for your board
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[20:24:09] <Crofton|work> sakoman__, would have been there at the end of april
[20:24:23] <Crofton|work> we want to change them in the kernel
[20:24:32] <Crofton|work> as in we are not finished playing with it yet :)
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[21:05:40] <djlewis_> i'm ready for the weekend :P
[21:05:55] <emeb> got the pizza & beer?
[21:06:04] <djlewis_> hmm, out of pizza
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[21:06:25] <djlewis_> make note to add pizza to pick it up on the way home list
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[21:16:55] <_av500_> jkridner: hows the brew?
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[21:31:15] <Heff01> Hi, whats the quickest way to get XBMC on Beagle XM?
[21:31:27] <koen> opkg install xbmc
[21:31:46] <Heff01> any prebuilt sd's?
[21:31:53] <koen> use narcissus
[21:32:33] <Heff01> I tried narcissus, couldn't get img's to boot on XM
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[21:34:25] <Heff01> couldn't get any android distros running either
[21:34:42] <Heff01> only ubuntu and angstrom validation work so far
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[21:36:30] <Heff01> really could do with a good source of img's of various distros for testing
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[21:59:52] <mr_mac3> How does one go about developing a program for the beagleboard? I assume you just write a program like you would for linux but you compile for ARM? Is this correct?
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[22:06:56] <djlewis_> sounds good. I just install the os on bb and build small to medium apps there
[22:07:33] <djlewis_> I dont mind working on a 1280x1024 screen with a 500Mhz processor though :)
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[22:10:00] <mr_mac3> you can write and compile programs on the beagleboard?
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[22:11:04] <djlewis_> sure, its a little computer. I like the Geany ide
[22:11:39] <djlewis_> but larger projects might best be done on a linux pc cros compiled
[22:12:53] <mr_mac3> that's awesome! i am totally not getting an ipad
[22:13:49] <mr_mac3> now can i use just gcc on my mac to comiple?
[22:13:50] <mr_mac3> compile**
[22:14:25] <mr_mac3> or do i need some kind of special cross-compiler?
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[22:21:19] <Jefro> mr_mac3 you will need a cross-compiler, unless you have MacOS running on an ARM Cortex-A8 :)
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[22:21:51] <Jefro> might be easier to use gcc built natively on the beagleboard and do your compilation there
[22:22:16] <mr_mac3> alright that does sound like the best route
[22:22:55] <mr_mac3> what kind of projects are people doing with the beagleboard?
[22:23:35] <mr_mac3> i am just trying to decide if I should get a beagleboard
[22:24:09] <Jefro> There is a lot of information at the main portal, http://beagleboard.org
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[22:24:54] <Jefro> There were some very interesting projects c/o Google Summer of Code this year as well
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[22:25:12] <mr_mac3> oh thats cool!
[22:25:42] <djlewis_> there is a new group doing projects now.
[22:25:48] <Jefro> if you have an interest in rapid prototyping, check out Matt the antipasto blog: http://antipastohw.blogspot.com/2010/10/breaking-hardware-barriers-linux-vs.html
[22:26:13] <mr_mac3> what linux distribution has the best support/functionality with the beagleboard?
[22:26:36] <Jefro> that would be Angstrom, http://angstrom-distribution.org
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[22:27:15] <Jefro> I wrote a getting-started article last year (for the rev. C) that describes booting Angstrom on the board, that might help answer a few questions: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-beagle-board/index.html
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[22:28:34] <Jefro> there are also slides from OSCON last year here: http://www.oscon.com/oscon2010/public/schedule/detail/14045
[22:28:56] <mr_mac3> Is it smart for me to buy the XM or is it more complicated for a beginner?
[22:29:46] <Jefro> xM is actually quite a bit easier, I think, as fewer cables are required.
[22:30:04] <Jefro> it also has onboard networking, a built-in USB hub, and no flash memory to corrupt
[22:31:27] <Jefro> and the UART connector is a normal DB9 rather than just a 10-pin header. You can get going with an xM for less $$ overall than using a rev C for the same functionality (networking, USB hub, serial connector to the host)
[22:31:45] <mr_mac3> Cool. If i wanted to explore Operating systems, Device Drivers, and Assembly Languages for the ARm architecture would the beagleboard be the best board?
[22:32:13] <Jefro> I would answer "absolutely", but then I like the board a lot and I am somewhat biased :)
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[22:32:55] <Jefro> the Beagle will teach you about TI's reference platform for ARM and throw in a bunch of other interesting stuff, like a C64+ DSP
[22:33:31] <Jefro> Gumstix is similar in form with man of the same parts, but the community is nowhere near as responsive.
[22:33:33] <mr_mac3> Haha. Well it appears to have the largest community and support of the ARM board.
[22:33:41] <Jefro> :) yes, I think so
[22:34:03] <mr_mac3> and that is the most important thing bc i am a still learning this stuff
[22:34:05] <Jefro> Another option is the plug computer from Marvell, which is a really interesting platform, but again the community is just not there
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[22:34:28] <Jefro> jkridner|work hey! how is the south bay? I hope you brought your umbrella
[22:34:40] <jkridner|work> hi _av500_, mru. finally on-line from Wild Palm.
[22:35:55] <Jefro> mr_mac3 I'll be very interested to hear how your progress goes on the Mac, as few developers that I know use one for embedded systems work.
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[22:36:18] <Jefro> jkridner - bad connection from the Wild Palms?
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[22:36:48] <mr_mac3> I love the Mac it just doesn't have a lot of the embedded stuff
[22:37:47] <Jefro> am I remembering correctly that there is a hypervisor or something that enables you to run Linux inside? that might actually be the best option for development tools.
[22:38:30] <Jefro> (there might actually be a port of gcc for the mac cross-compiling to ARM... could be worth some research)
[22:38:40] <mr_mac3> What kind of limitations does the beagleboard have as far as peripherals? can i just plug anything usb in and it will work?
[22:38:58] <Jefro> well, anything with a driver
[22:39:09] <Jefro> (and of course you are welcome to write drivers! and submit them back upstream)
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[22:39:35] <mr_mac3> I do run ubuntu in virtual pc when needed on my mac
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[22:39:55] <Jefro> some things work better than others. if you want wireless, some Belkin USB dongles are known to work pretty well
[22:40:08] <Jefro> there is a huge amount of information about all this on http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard
[22:40:09] <mr_mac3> perfect! i was actually hoping i could actually contribute to something and writing a driver sounds interesting
[22:40:56] <Jefro> absolutely.
[22:41:10] <Jefro> if you haven't read it yet, the entire Linux Device Drivers 3rd Ed. is available online here: http://lwn.net/Kernel/LDD3/
[22:42:02] <mr_mac3> i'll add it to my reading list!
[22:42:50] <Jefro> mr_mac3 do you have a peripheral in mind in particular? there are various ports and there of all kinds of stuff
[22:43:13] <Jefro> I'd love to see a generic GPS device driver
[22:44:30] <Jefro> there are a few projects on that already - beagleintern was working on a kinematic gps receiver (http://beagleintern.blogspot.com/2009/11/realtime-kinematic-gps-receiver.html), don't know if it is still around
[22:45:30] <mr_mac3> well i have nothing particular in mind... i am just curious
[22:45:49] <Jefro> lots of robotics nuts here as well
[22:45:55] <mr_mac3> I have very little experience so i am just learning as i go
[22:46:10] <mr_mac3> thats actually where my background is
[22:46:14] <mr_mac3> arduino robots
[22:46:22] <mr_mac3> just simple things
[22:46:36] <Jefro> ah yes, very good stuff. there are people who have melded Beagles with Arduinos
[22:47:06] <Jefro> http://letsmakerobots.com/node/11252
[22:47:40] <mr_mac3> that was one of my plans! maybe set up an network in my house with my beagleboard managing them or something
[22:48:24] <Jefro> hahaha awesome. driven by wi-fi
[22:48:50] <mr_mac3> its hard for me to focus on one project because the arduino and beagleboard are so powerful
[22:49:27] <mr_mac3> i think of one project which makes me think of another and then another
[22:49:31] <Jefro> yes - arduinos are awesome, and with a full distro available on the beagle it opens up a bunch of interesting possibilities
[22:49:38] <Jefro> write 'em all down and make a dart board :)
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[22:50:22] <jkridner|work> Jefro: yeah, the connection isn't consistent.
[22:50:25] <mr_mac3> well i think i will just pick the ones that have to do with world domination
[22:50:46] <mr_mac3> since that is always the final goal
[22:50:54] <Jefro> mr_mac3 of course :)
[22:51:09] <jkridner|work> Jefro: BeagleIntern only reported on it--likely without proper attribution. :(
[22:51:17] <Jefro> jkridner|work I have stayed at the wild palms before and had intermittent service, esp. in the afternoons
[22:51:57] <mr_mac3> i imagine it is possible to make the beagleboard a web or file server?
[22:52:10] <Jefro> really! not attributed properly, I totally thought it was them
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[22:52:42] <Jefro> mr_mac3 yes, absoultely - the xM is best in that regard because of an onboard RJ45 port and USB ports for hard drives
[22:53:44] <mr_mac3> very cool! i think i will order my beagleboard now!
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[22:54:20] <Jefro> excellent. be sure to join the mailing list as well - it is fairly active and there area always interesting conversations going on
[22:55:23] <Jefro> jkridner|work - tell everyone down there I said howdy
[22:56:36] <Jefro> mr_mac3 I'm off to a meeting - good luck with your beagle. be sure to order a db9 - USB cable for serial access, and an HDMI - DVI-D cable if you want to display on a DVI monitor. (no VGA)
[22:56:58] <mr_mac3> ok thanks for all the help
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[23:05:53] <mru> jkridner|work: we'll be en route shortly
[23:06:02] <mru> ds2: ping
[23:09:16] <mru> ds2: no need to pick us up, but thanks for the offer
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[23:13:33] <jkridner|work> anybody have feedback regarding project entries on http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Beagle_Board_Open_Source_Design_Challenge ?
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