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IRC Log for 2011-01-17

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  7. [02:13:47] <khoi0107> hi
  8. [02:13:55] <khoi0107> anybody here?
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  10. [02:14:36] <khoi0107> anyone?
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  17. [02:17:29] <Beagle7> hi
  18. [02:17:32] <Beagle7> is anyone here?
  19. [02:17:43] <mIKEjONES> yes
  20. [02:17:50] <Beagle7> finally
  21. [02:18:02] <Beagle7> i have a problem with gcc compiler
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  23. [02:18:06] <Beagle7> can u help?
  24. [02:18:27] <mIKEjONES> maybe
  25. [02:18:30] <mIKEjONES> what is it?
  26. [02:18:52] <Beagle7> im using arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-g++ to compile a hello word program
  27. [02:19:13] <mIKEjONES> ok
  28. [02:19:14] <Beagle7> but it always gets error : error trying to exe 'as' no file
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  30. [02:19:32] <mIKEjONES> is that the exact error?
  31. [02:19:34] <Beagle7> im using the new angstrom demo image on my xM
  32. [02:19:35] <mIKEjONES> "error : error trying to exe 'as' no file" ?
  33. [02:19:44] <Beagle7> w8 i will copy it
  34. [02:19:46] <mIKEjONES> k
  35. [02:20:32] <Beagle7> arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-g++: error trying to exec 'as': execvp: No such file or directory
  36. [02:20:33] <AlTheKiller> Oh dear, someone had to wait 4mins for a sponse to no question.
  37. [02:20:42] <AlTheKiller> Support is getting slack here.
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  39. [02:21:15] <Beagle7> i checked out /usr/bin/ and there's no as file
  40. [02:21:28] <mIKEjONES> Beagle7: as is another part of the toolchain
  41. [02:21:53] <Beagle7> so what i have to do now?
  42. [02:21:54] <mIKEjONES> it's the assembler, I don't know why it's not looking for the correct version
  43. [02:22:00] <Beagle7> i really have lack of knowledge abt toolchain
  44. [02:22:05] <mIKEjONES> type "arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-as"
  45. [02:22:09] <mIKEjONES> see if anything executes
  46. [02:22:27] <Beagle7> so as is the part of gcc?
  47. [02:22:33] <mIKEjONES> yea
  48. [02:22:57] <Beagle7> can u tell me more abt toolchain?
  49. [02:23:02] <Beagle7> what is it for?
  50. [02:23:06] <mIKEjONES> gcc is the c compiler, g++ is the c++ compiler, as is the assembly compiler, ld is the linker
  51. [02:23:11] <mIKEjONES> Beagle7: it's what compiles your code
  52. [02:23:22] <djlewis> Beagle7: you have been working on your helloworld for several months now?
  53. [02:23:28] <Beagle7> i just install angstrom demo image normally
  54. [02:23:30] <cmwslw> normally you would just use gcc to compile native code
  55. [02:23:39] <Beagle7> no i just started yesterday
  56. [02:23:44] <mIKEjONES> if you write something in C++, g++ will convert it to assembly, as will compile the assembly, and ld will create an executable out of it
  57. [02:23:53] <cmwslw> but since we need to compile on another architecture, we need a cross compiler
  58. [02:24:29] <Beagle7> oh ic
  59. [02:25:07] <omsai> dj be nice
  60. [02:25:08] <cmwslw> just try what mikejones suggested about running arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-as
  61. [02:26:38] <Beagle7> im starting my BB, thanks
  62. [02:26:46] <cmwslw> it shouldn't take this long to type in a command
  63. [02:27:07] <Beagle7> oh im on my laptop now, im not using BB for chatting since its slow
  64. [02:27:41] <cmwslw> your laptop should have the toolchain and not the BB
  65. [02:28:46] <djlewis> he can build locally on BB
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  68. [02:29:27] <cmwslw> oh well ive been explaining it wrong then
  69. [02:29:41] <cmwslw> i though arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-as was just another cross compiler
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  71. [02:30:31] <Beagle7> well i got bash: arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-as: command not found
  72. [02:31:20] <mIKEjONES> uhoh
  73. [02:31:36] <Beagle7> any idea?
  74. [02:31:45] <mIKEjONES> yea
  75. [02:31:52] <Beagle7> im so new for this :( sry
  76. [02:31:56] <mIKEjONES> alias as to arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc
  77. [02:32:07] <Beagle7> no input files
  78. [02:32:10] <Beagle7> but its there
  79. [02:32:15] <mIKEjONES> wait hmm?
  80. [02:32:35] <Beagle7> arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-as: no input files
  81. [02:32:43] <Beagle7> arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc: no input files
  82. [02:32:44] <Beagle7> i mean
  83. [02:32:48] <Beagle7> sry im typing it :P
  84. [02:32:54] <mIKEjONES> ah ok
  85. [02:32:56] <mIKEjONES> that's good
  86. [02:33:04] <mIKEjONES> hmm
  87. [02:33:18] <mIKEjONES> ok let's try a quick and dirty fix
  88. [02:33:25] <Beagle7> i think the compiler passed all the syntax checking on my c program
  89. [02:33:29] <mIKEjONES> alias as="arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-as"
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  91. [02:33:54] <Beagle7> done
  92. [02:34:01] <Beagle7> now compile it?
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  94. [02:36:04] <Beagle7> still arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-g++: error trying to exec 'as': execvp: No such file or directory
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  96. [02:36:40] <djlewis> Beagle7: are you running a narcissus build with development added or demo?
  97. [02:36:51] <djlewis> or somrthing else?
  98. [02:36:52] <Beagle7> im using the new angstrom demo image
  99. [02:37:04] <djlewis> did you install task-native-sdk?
  100. [02:37:07] <Beagle7> and install all packages via opkg install
  101. [02:37:13] <Beagle7> no i didnt
  102. [02:37:13] <djlewis> task-sdk-native.. correction
  103. [02:37:23] <djlewis> that is the toolchain
  104. [02:37:35] <Beagle7> no i didnt
  105. [02:37:47] <Beagle7> just set up SD card, connect internet and type opkg install all the way
  106. [02:37:54] <Beagle7> coz i dont know much abt toolchain
  107. [02:39:03] <Beagle7> so demo image is not good?
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  109. [02:39:55] <djlewis> sure it is
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  111. [02:40:12] <djlewis> you just might have to add things as you need
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  114. [02:42:26] <Beagle7> so where do i get this 'as' file?
  115. [02:43:22] <cmwslw> it should be included with gcc
  116. [02:43:32] <djlewis> opkg install task-sdk-native
  117. [02:43:48] <djlewis> for local BB cc
  118. [02:43:51] <Beagle7> i uninstalled and reinstalled gcc many times
  119. [02:43:58] <Beagle7> ok
  120. [02:44:32] <cmwslw> i would just make a narcissus build and be sure to enable the development options
  121. [02:46:30] <cmwslw> i don't mean to be rude, but it seems like you're trying to do something way past your skill level
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  123. [02:46:55] <Beagle7> thats why im learning ^^
  124. [02:47:52] <djlewis> good comeback :)
  125. [02:48:12] <Beagle7> downloading
  126. [02:48:40] <cmwslw> the world needs more people with that attitude
  127. [02:50:11] <Beagle7> maybe i will try the narcissus build
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  130. [02:52:25] <djlewis> hmm, closed wrong window :(
  131. [02:54:03] <Beagle7> ok done with sdk native
  132. [02:54:14] <djlewis> compile hw
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  134. [02:54:46] <Beagle7> lol cannot install package task-sdk-native
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  136. [02:56:12] <Beagle7> wow
  137. [02:56:16] <Beagle7> its running
  138. [02:56:44] <djlewis> what is running?
  139. [02:57:03] <Beagle7> it is compiled
  140. [02:57:30] <Beagle7> my hello word program
  141. [02:57:33] <djlewis> cool
  142. [02:57:39] <Beagle7> so there is 'as' file now
  143. [02:58:33] <djlewis> you just added the toolchain
  144. [02:59:06] <Beagle7> no i didnt, i just install sdk-native like u said
  145. [02:59:14] <djlewis> yes
  146. [02:59:21] <Beagle7> it installed a lot of packages
  147. [02:59:38] <djlewis> thus, the toolchain
  148. [02:59:45] <Beagle7> oh ic :P
  149. [02:59:55] <Beagle7> i will try to read more abt toolchain
  150. [03:00:49] <Beagle7> thank u so much for ur time :P
  151. [03:00:58] <Beagle7> i g2g now
  152. [03:01:05] <Beagle7> will be back for more dump question ^^
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  222. [07:37:59] <aeozcan> hello, anybody knows operating temperature limits of beagleBoard-XM??
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  224. [07:41:42] <aeozcan> hello, anybody knows operating temperature limits of beagleBoard-XM??
  225. [07:46:11] <Animule> what type of environment?
  226. [07:46:30] <Animule> specs are probably 0-50c.. pretty standard for most electronics...
  227. [07:46:42] <Animule> although most can work on a non-condensing environment much lower than that
  228. [07:47:18] <aeozcan> is there any industrail range version?
  229. [07:47:29] <aeozcan> thank you for your reply.
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  232. [08:01:42] <av500> aeozcan: no
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  235. [08:08:04] <Russ> aeozcan, too cold is generally straightforward to fix
  236. [08:08:35] <av500> yes, since we have global warming, just wait
  237. [08:08:55] <Russ> I mean a simple circuit with a heater element
  238. [08:09:13] <av500> thats not environmentaly friendly!
  239. [08:09:19] <Russ> which waits to power-up the beagleboard until the enclosure is heated to the right temp
  240. [08:09:32] <Russ> (or at least the major chips)
  241. [08:10:31] <Russ> too hot is a bit of a larger issue....
  242. [08:11:41] <ggreer> I bet it'll work at lower temps. you'd just have to worry about condensation
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  248. [08:21:36] <Russ> ya, most parts seem to work in the industrial temp range, they just aren't guranteed to do so
  249. [08:21:57] <Russ> so if you make a whole bunch of units and sell them, there is a good chance that a sizable percentage will fail
  250. [08:24:58] <av500> well, the iphone shatters to pieces at -12??
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  252. [08:26:45] <ggreer> one time I got a computer to boot in ???23??F
  253. [08:26:56] <ggreer> I took off the heatsink and overclocked it to 1.6Ghz
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  306. [10:35:27] <teja> hello?
  307. [10:35:48] <teja> i need some help with getting the kernel source
  308. [10:35:55] <teja> for the narcissus build?
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  337. [11:59:49] <aholler_> av500: at -12??? do you have pictures? ;)
  338. [12:00:10] <av500> aholler_: it made the news
  339. [12:00:16] <av500> dont you read the news?
  340. [12:00:26] <aholler_> not about i*
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  343. [12:01:39] <av500> http://recombu.com/news/iphone-shatters-in-extreme-cold_M13096.html
  344. [12:01:42] <av500> aholler_: ^^
  345. [12:02:27] <aholler_> Thanks
  346. [12:02:35] * aholler_ is now known as aholler
  347. [12:03:49] <av500> aholler: now get that woolen iphone sock quickly :)
  348. [12:07:21] <aholler> just to loose it in the next summer or when the humidity raises? no. ;)
  349. [12:08:06] <Crofton> -12 F or C?
  350. [12:08:36] <mrcan1> is there any example for controlling i2c?
  351. [12:08:40] <aholler> ??
  352. [12:08:41] <mrcan1> on qt
  353. [12:09:48] <av500> Crofton: -12K!
  354. [12:10:41] <Crofton> rofl
  355. [12:10:48] <Crofton> Norawy gets really cold
  356. [12:12:45] <aholler> mrcan1: qt runs in userspace, you will need a module which allows you that. maybe linux/Documentation/i2c/i2c-stub will help you
  357. [12:13:09] <mrcan1> i read that documentation but im new on linux
  358. [12:13:22] <mrcan1> i cant connect it with qt
  359. [12:13:28] <mrcan1> i can read data on terminal but not qt
  360. [12:13:37] <mrcan1> so im looking examples for learning
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  380. [13:56:27] <jkridner|work> good morning all
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  383. [14:00:28] <av500> gm
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  385. [14:00:36] <faLUCE> hi. is there a tablet with cpu comparable with typical netbook's Atom??? N455 and ubuntu compatibile?
  386. [14:00:54] <faLUCE> sorry if it's off topic... but maybe someone can help me
  387. [14:01:24] <av500> there was some ubuntublet announced
  388. [14:01:39] <av500> http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/11/canonical-making-full-fledged-ubuntu-tablet-push-in-early-2011/
  389. [14:02:12] <av500> also it will fail: http://techthrob.com/2010/06/16/why-the-ubuntu-tablet-won???t-sell/
  390. [14:07:09] <XorA> its ok, the Win8 tablets will kick it off the market :-D
  391. [14:08:13] <av500> XorA: is a (cheap) supply of ubuntuable tablets, yes
  392. [14:08:17] <av500> as a
  393. [14:08:41] <XorA> but we know Win8 will work on a tablet, ubuntu is going to be hell on a tablet :-D
  394. [14:09:15] <mru> av500: I think the correct terms are "ubuntable" and "ubuntablet"
  395. [14:09:40] <XorA> ubundinnertable :-D
  396. [14:13:22] <mru> and a locked-down tablet would be "unbuntable"
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  399. [14:19:13] * jannau has compiled and used a broadcom crystalhd driver on a wetab running ubuntu
  400. [14:19:47] <jannau> don't try that at home, kids
  401. [14:20:23] <av500> k dad
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  419. [15:20:19] <tipint> Hi, is there any angstrom image available with the bridge drivers for the DSP and openGL ES pre-installed?
  420. [15:21:00] <koen> the new demo image has dsplink + gst-ti + gles drivers preinstalled
  421. [15:22:12] <tipint> is it the default demo image?
  422. [15:22:25] <koen> dunno what you call "default"
  423. [15:23:03] <koen> I'm talking about http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/msg/1187ee6d3950d119
  424. [15:23:54] <tipint> i meant the one available at www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
  425. [15:24:55] <tipint> oh cool, thanks.
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  427. [15:26:23] <tipint> btw, does Narcissus support adding any 3rd party libraries like qt or opencv?
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  430. [15:30:16] <tipint> just checked it out, yes it does :)
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  433. [15:32:26] <tipint> the Narcissus online image builder is pretty cool, it made my life a lot easier :D
  434. [15:32:38] <av500> dont forget to donate
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  491. [18:59:53] <djlewis> gm
  492. [19:01:21] <mru> +1
  493. [19:13:32] <av500> +
  494. [19:13:37] <av500> ~1
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  503. [19:58:22] <jzarr> hi all, anyknow know anything about the linux-omap-pm branch?
  504. [20:01:26] <mru> it exists
  505. [20:01:45] <cwillu_at_work> it's conscious
  506. [20:01:46] <djlewis> therefore it must be.
  507. [20:02:17] <jzarr> ive googled around and all the instruction ive found say to build with the omap3_pm_defconfig, i didnt get that file when i did the git clone
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  519. [20:23:56] <jzarr> so, i have one of these on my desk, http://www.logicpd.com/products/development-kits/texas-instruments-zoom%E2%84%A2-omap35x-development-kit is there main line kernel support for it? or do i have to go through logicPD?
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  521. [20:25:24] <aholler> an url including a ???, wonderfull ;)
  522. [20:26:02] <jzarr> i didnt make it ;-)
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  528. [20:45:33] <aholler> must have been done from a monkey islands??? fan ;)
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  540. [21:07:14] <mru> hey guys, linuxtag call for projects is open
  541. [21:07:27] <mru> http://wiki.linuxtag.org/w/fp:Call_for_Projects
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  545. [21:10:18] <djlewis> did i detect a hint of enthusiasm in mru?
  546. [21:11:08] <mru> djlewis: do you like german beer?
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  548. [21:22:27] <djlewis> :)
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  553. [21:35:15] <koen> mru: TI is working on a stand as well, so I hope Roger & I can attend
  554. [21:35:49] <koen> linuxtag was fun last year with, especially with the ffmpeg/xbmc/vlc guys
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  567. [22:12:51] <niklasfi> does enyone here encounter kevent errors with the xm board on debian?
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  569. [22:15:49] <Jefro> anyone want to work on an x-loader issue?
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  571. [22:18:46] <_av500_> depends
  572. [22:21:28] <mru> work how? fix it or create it?
  573. [22:23:00] <Jefro> hey guys
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  576. [22:23:29] <Jefro> the issue is building it. yocto team has their kernel working on the xm, but they get garbage when they build x-loader.
  577. [22:23:48] <Jefro> x-load-beagleboard-1.42+r13+git0+65ed00323f3807197a83abc75d62ed2a8d3f60de-r13.bin.ift
  578. [22:24:09] <Jefro> using the angstrom prebuilt x-loader works
  579. [22:26:10] <mru> solution seems easy
  580. [22:26:39] <mru> have fried calamari for dinner and switch to OE
  581. [22:27:14] <Jefro> mru - thanks, I'll pass that on. does it matter whether one uses a garlic aioli?
  582. [22:28:04] <Jefro> or, more to the point, any idea whom I should pester about building x-loader? I have zero experience in that, as I usually just use the angstrom prebuilt.
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  584. [22:29:36] <dvhart> Jefro, any idea how I can tell if my x-loader has been properly signed?
  585. [22:30:08] <mru> if it boots, it's ok
  586. [22:30:18] <dvhart> :-) it doesn't
  587. [22:30:33] <dvhart> I'm building from source (out of the poky build system)
  588. [22:30:47] <dvhart> using current HEAD from master
  589. [22:31:38] <dvhart> my x-load-beagleboard-1.42.....bin.ift is 19k, while the MLO that shipped with the Beagleboard XM is 24k
  590. [22:31:56] <dvhart> checking angstrom, we appear to be building from the same sources
  591. [22:32:08] <dvhart> same git hash anyway
  592. [22:32:12] <_av500_> signed?
  593. [22:32:24] <dvhart> _av500_, that is what I'm trying to determine
  594. [22:32:48] <dvhart> the poky scripts have the signGP.c source file
  595. [22:33:04] <_av500_> dvhart: you boot from sd?
  596. [22:33:08] <dvhart> I presume it is used - just wondering if there is a trivial way to check using the binary itself
  597. [22:33:16] <dvhart> av500, yes, I have no NAND
  598. [22:33:24] <_av500_> afaik no need to sign for boot from sd
  599. [22:33:27] <_av500_> or?
  600. [22:33:47] <Jefro> _av500_ I thought MLO vs. x-load.bin meant it was signed?
  601. [22:34:02] <dvhart> perhaps that's the problem
  602. [22:34:02] <Jefro> can the boot ROM hand control over to x-load.bin by itself?
  603. [22:34:05] <_av500_> mlo is just a name
  604. [22:34:13] <_av500_> Jefro: er?
  605. [22:34:24] <_av500_> boot rom loads MLO and executes it
  606. [22:34:38] <dvhart> _av500_, so it _must_ be called MLO ?
  607. [22:34:40] <_av500_> from sd it looks for a file called "MLO"
  608. [22:34:45] <_av500_> yes
  609. [22:34:56] <_av500_> unless you do a raw boot
  610. [22:34:56] <Jefro> it means just what I choose it to mean ??? neither more nor less
  611. [22:35:05] <thurbad> are there any instructions for building a customized kernel for angstrom in the OE environment?
  612. [22:35:07] <dvhart> that was missing from the developer's manual :/
  613. [22:35:17] <_av500_> dvhart: which one?
  614. [22:35:27] <mru> _av500_: the one on the wiki
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  616. [22:35:39] <dvhart> BeagleBoard-xM System Reference Manual Revision A2
  617. [22:35:55] <dvhart> perhaps I need a Revision B?
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  619. [22:36:05] <_av500_> dvhart: that does not save your from reading the 3000page TRM :)
  620. [22:36:26] <dvhart> eeek, so I'm missing some docs
  621. [22:36:27] <dvhart> ok
  622. [22:36:29] <_av500_> the SRM is not a dev manual
  623. [22:36:36] <_av500_> it is more a hw doc
  624. [22:36:43] <_av500_> not a tutorial
  625. [22:36:43] <dvhart> it does have a boot section
  626. [22:36:55] <dvhart> but it's pretty high level - this is probably why
  627. [22:36:56] <dvhart> noted
  628. [22:37:14] <mru> _av500_: is that what you read as bedtime stories to your kids?
  629. [22:37:15] <Jefro> someone should write a book on the subject
  630. [22:37:27] <dvhart> _av500_, for context, when I replace the Angrstrom MLO with my renamed x-load-beagleboard-1.42+r13+git0+65ed00323f3807197a83abc75d62ed2a8d3f60de-r13.bin.ift
  631. [22:37:34] <dvhart> the board boots with:
  632. [22:37:47] <dvhart> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
  633. [22:37:58] <dvhart> copying the Angstrom MLO back and it boots fine
  634. [22:38:08] <mru> hmm, dvhart and Jefro are talking about the same thing
  635. [22:38:13] <dvhart> yes
  636. [22:38:31] <dvhart> I was discussing with Jefro in another channel when he mentioned #beagle
  637. [22:38:32] <dvhart> :-)
  638. [22:38:56] <dvhart> sorry if I missed some of his context before I joined
  639. [22:39:23] <Jefro> dvhart - when you build, do you have to go through a separate step to sign it? if you leave out that step and just rename x-load.bin to MLO...
  640. [22:39:51] <dvhart> not sure, will have a look at the recipes
  641. [22:40:01] <dvhart> that's where I was when you caught me in IRC
  642. [22:40:11] <Jefro> I was reading your mind :)
  643. [22:41:26] <_av500_> compare your MLO with the prebuilt ones, the 1st few bytes should look similar
  644. [22:41:47] <dvhart> another note: if I leave the Angstrom MLO and replace the u-boot.bin with the one I built, I get garbage after the X-Loader messages too
  645. [22:41:58] <dvhart> so something is clearly wrong with my builds
  646. [22:43:02] <dvhart> Good:
  647. [22:43:03] <_av500_> wrong serial speed?
  648. [22:43:03] <dvhart> 0000000 4b10 0000 0800 4020 0012 ea00 f014 e59f
  649. [22:43:03] <dvhart> 0000010 f010 e59f f00c e59f f008 e59f f004 e59f
  650. [22:43:06] <dvhart> bad:
  651. [22:43:15] <dvhart> oops, first was bad
  652. [22:43:17] <dvhart> good:
  653. [22:43:21] <dvhart> 0000000 5ee0 0000 0800 4020 0012 ea00 f014 e59f
  654. [22:43:21] <dvhart> 0000010 f010 e59f f00c e59f f008 e59f f004 e59f
  655. [22:43:33] <Jefro> dvhart but your kernel works... so something is up with the build process just for the bootloaders
  656. [22:43:38] <_av500_> see the similarity?
  657. [22:43:41] <dvhart> Jefro, correct
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  659. [22:43:51] <dvhart> av500, I do see similarities
  660. [22:43:55] <dvhart> also some differences
  661. [22:43:58] <_av500_> sure
  662. [22:44:02] <dvhart> and I'm not sure which bits matter
  663. [22:44:09] <_av500_> ignore that
  664. [22:44:17] <_av500_> now, what is your serial speed?
  665. [22:44:26] <dvhart> should be 115200
  666. [22:44:34] <dvhart> will check how that is defined in the recipes
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  668. [22:50:24] <dvhart> hrm, well, so long as it builds using omap3_beagle.h, uboot should be using 115200
  669. [22:52:09] <dvhart> and the build runs "make omap3_beagle_config"
  670. [22:52:14] <dvhart> so it should be 115200
  671. [22:52:23] <dvhart> checking x-load
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  673. [22:54:18] <dvhart> same with x-load
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  675. [22:56:24] <dvhart> _av500_, what does the .ift signify?
  676. [22:57:28] <_av500_> no idea
  677. [22:59:04] <dvhart> NOTE:The difference between the MLO and x-load.bin.ift is that the first is used for the MMC and the other one for NAND boot.
  678. [22:59:58] <_av500_> yes, nand boot needs to be signed
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  681. [23:11:22] <dvhart> oh, I have an idea
  682. [23:11:26] <dvhart> it might be double-signed
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  684. [23:11:39] <dvhart> since signGP was added relatively recently
  685. [23:13:06] <_av500_> http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleSoftCompile
  686. [23:14:50] <_av500_> but then this is a wiki so it could be all wrong...
  687. [23:16:24] * CMoH (~cipi@unaffiliated/c-moh) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  688. [23:16:41] <dvhart> av500, noted, I'm auditing our build recipes now
  689. [23:16:42] <dvhart> thanks
  690. [23:16:51] * florian (~fuchs@Maemo/community/contributor/florian) Quit (Quit: Verlassend)
  691. [23:17:24] <_av500_> dvhart: btw, signgc does nothing more than to write the size and the load address
  692. [23:17:41] <_av500_> so it adds 8 bytes at the start
  693. [23:17:41] <dvhart> ok
  694. [23:18:31] <Ceriand|work> does sakoman's x-load still put the stack at the beginning of SRAM?
  695. [23:18:39] <dvhart> first, I was using the wrong image (x-load instead MLO, found we also build an MLO)
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  699. [23:26:05] <dvhart> hrm
  700. [23:26:12] <dvhart> according to x-load commit 6f0a4470585940a07357cc75488bedeb1fcdff2a
  701. [23:26:17] <dvhart> I should be able to do "make ift"
  702. [23:26:26] <dvhart> and reading the Makefile suggests the same
  703. [23:26:38] <dvhart> doing so results in "No rule to make target `ift'."
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  706. [23:33:09] <Jefro> rselveti ping - we are having difficulty with x-loader, would love some help if you have time
  707. [23:33:44] <Ceriand|work> Jefro: are you guys booting from SD?
  708. [23:33:52] <_av500_> rsalveti even
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  710. [23:33:56] <Jefro> Ceriand|work yes
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  714. [23:34:10] <Jefro> _av500_ thanks
  715. [23:34:35] <Ceriand|work> and the premade MLO works with that same card?
  716. [23:34:38] <_av500_> Jefro: tab expansion ftw :)
  717. [23:35:05] <Jefro> _av500_ I quit caffeine, must go with sanka-expansion from now on
  718. [23:35:22] <dvhart> Ceriand|work, yes it does
  719. [23:35:28] <dvhart> I'm rebuilding with new sources now
  720. [23:35:33] <Jefro> (joke only works if Tab is still around) (also, I would never, ever quit caffeine)
  721. [23:35:41] <dvhart> there are several lying around - using x-load-omap3 now
  722. [23:39:25] <Ceriand|work> If you guys have a JTAG probe, you could look at the SRAM and see if the ROM loaded your x-load in
  723. [23:40:01] <dvhart> Ceriand|work, I believe we verified that just by getting different output with the SD card installed vs. not
  724. [23:40:20] <Ceriand|work> so it's loaded, but just doesn't boot all the way?
  725. [23:40:34] <dvhart> right, spews some junk to the console
  726. [23:40:42] <Jefro> ... and by seeing that the Angstrom MLO loaded and ran, but the one dvhart is building had no output
  727. [23:40:44] <dvhart> vs different junk if it isn't installed
  728. [23:43:14] <Ceriand|work> dvhart: are you using sakoman's x-load?
  729. [23:43:39] <dvhart> I believe so (now): http://gitorious.org/x-load-omap3
  730. [23:43:50] <dvhart> it was using the older sakoman.net before
  731. [23:48:01] <Ceriand|work> dvhart: does this work for you? http://pastebin.com/tAWQ1MUm
  732. [23:48:53] <dvhart> Ceriand|work, uhm... haven't exchanged binary bits over pastebin before, interesting
  733. [23:49:06] <dvhart> the Angstrom MLO that ships with the BBXM does work
  734. [23:49:08] <Ceriand|work> uuencoded
  735. [23:49:26] <dvhart> what's the source for the one you posted?
  736. [23:49:30] <dvhart> current sakkoman?
  737. [23:49:33] <Ceriand|work> yes
  738. [23:49:34] <sakoman__> dvhart: TI recently created an official "upstream" for x-loader, you should use that:
  739. [23:49:36] <sakoman__> http://gitorious.org/x-loader
  740. [23:49:47] <aholler> Jefro: which gcc?
  741. [23:49:59] <dvhart> sakoman__, heh, ok
  742. [23:50:27] * dvhart changes the build recipes again
  743. [23:50:54] <dvhart> sakoman__, so x-loader is expected to work "out of the box" with the BeagleBoard xM ?
  744. [23:51:03] <sakoman__> of course!
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  746. [23:51:09] <dvhart> is x-load-omap3 deprecated then?
  747. [23:51:27] <sakoman__> I won't be maintaining it
  748. [23:51:32] <dvhart> noted!
  749. [23:51:33] <dvhart> thanks
  750. [23:52:06] <sakoman__> An upstream x-loader sponsored by TI (at last) is a good thing!
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  753. [23:52:21] <dvhart> sakoman__, certainly
  754. [23:52:30] <dvhart> just making sure I finally have the right repository
  755. [23:52:36] <dvhart> this is the 4th change today :)
  756. [23:52:41] <sakoman__> but the one you were using certainly should work for the xM
  757. [23:52:42] <aholler> a per configuration trimmed down u-boot would be better ;)
  758. [23:52:59] <sakoman__> aholler: build it and they will come~!
  759. [23:53:05] <dvhart> so which u-boot repository should I be using?
  760. [23:53:07] <Ceriand|work> or a more powerful x-load
  761. [23:53:13] <Ceriand|work> which is what I did
  762. [23:53:16] <_av500_> xp-load
  763. [23:53:18] <aholler> sakoman__: i don't work for ti
  764. [23:53:23] <sakoman__> for long term the upstream link I mentioned above
  765. [23:53:26] <Ceriand|work> my x-load can boot zImages
  766. [23:53:50] <sakoman__> Ceriand|work: submit your changes to the upstream project
  767. [23:53:52] * lyakh (~lyakh@pD9EB9098.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) Quit (Quit: thanks, bye)
  768. [23:54:07] <sakoman__> then we can all have a more powerful x-load
  769. [23:54:20] <Ceriand|work> sakoman__: is there a list, or just e-mail nmenon?
  770. [23:54:25] <_av500_> Ceriand|work: can it read mail?
  771. [23:54:27] <sakoman__> there is a list
  772. [23:55:07] <sakoman__> http://groups.google.com/group/x-loader?hl=en?hl=en
  773. [23:55:18] <Ceriand|work> cool, I'll check that out
  774. [23:57:30] <aholler> Ceriand|work: upstream is u-boot ;)
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  776. [23:58:58] <Ceriand|work> _av500_: no, but it can read stuff from USB mass-storage on the EHCI

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