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IRC Log for 2011-01-31

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  1. [00:00:53] <GeniusGeeko> testuser: http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/
  2. [00:01:45] <GeniusGeeko> testuser: more specifically, http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian
  3. [00:04:04] <testuser> Thanks!!. I'm thinking create a little web server like sheevaplug... do you know if beagleboard performance is good?
  4. [00:06:26] <GeniusGeeko> It is good enough for a personal server.
  5. [00:08:01] <testuser> ok. let's say, enough to work 24x7 ....
  6. [00:09:41] <GeniusGeeko> For sure, it is also very energy efficient. Roughly 2-3 watts.
  7. [00:11:12] <djlewis> lets get GeniusGeeko on the sales team ;)
  8. [00:11:36] <testuser> hehe
  9. [00:12:23] <testuser> GeniusGeeko: interesting!!...
  10. [00:12:31] <GeniusGeeko> I am used to giving speeches, so that would go very well. XD
  11. [00:13:33] <GeniusGeeko> I just need to get this dang bluetooth to work
  12. [00:15:43] <testuser> bluetooth doesn't works?
  13. [00:15:56] <GeniusGeeko> It does, with a hub, I just need it to work without it.
  14. [00:17:27] <GeniusGeeko> It doesn't work because, with the C4 the EHCI usb port only supports high speed devices. Bluetooth doesn't classify for some reason.
  15. [00:20:31] <testuser> uhmm sounds difficult. :)
  16. [00:21:12] <GeniusGeeko> I'm out of ideas, for right now.
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  18. [00:35:26] <GeniusGeeko> Alright, it actually might involve the powering of the EHCI
  19. [00:36:01] <GeniusGeeko> I'll get back to it with the details
  20. [00:37:59] <GeniusGeeko> Alright the usb port only works if I plug in the usb hub when I power it up.
  21. [00:40:12] <djlewis> GeniusGeeko: get a XM, its hub is three speed
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  23. [00:47:27] <GeniusGeeko> I don't have the budget for it.
  24. [00:54:28] <GeniusGeeko> I got $130 left in the budget
  25. [00:55:00] <djlewis> yep, i do understand the "budget".
  26. [00:55:48] <GeniusGeeko> Haha, it doesn't help that I just turned 16.
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  28. [00:57:52] <GeniusGeeko> djlewis: would powering the bluetooth externally work?
  29. [00:58:17] <djlewis> its not a power issue if you are connecting a low speed device to a hi speed port
  30. [00:58:48] <djlewis> you running a linux desktop?
  31. [00:59:11] <djlewis> if so, lsusb and get the particulars of the device when it sorks
  32. [00:59:19] <djlewis> s/sorks/works
  33. [00:59:33] <djlewis> to determine if it is 1.1 or 2.x
  34. [01:04:21] <GeniusGeeko> I'l have to reboot into linux
  35. [01:29:20] <djlewis> GeniusGeeko: you are powering your c4 with a wal wart?
  36. [01:29:24] <djlewis> wall
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  41. [01:50:18] <GeniusGeeko> Si
  42. [01:50:24] <GeniusGeeko> djlewis: si!
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  46. [01:58:14] <djlewis> GeniusGeeko: ?
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  49. [02:00:35] <GeniusGeeko> djlewis: yea, as soon as it works it will be battery powerd
  50. [02:01:12] <djlewis> oh, i was waiting to hear about lsusb report
  51. [02:03:03] <djlewis> if you are powering through the otg port you might get enough current on the ehci
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  53. [02:04:07] <GeniusGeeko> I'll get th lsusb right now
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  57. [02:06:02] <smplman> Im trying to setup a usb touchscreen monitor. It work but i can't make it my main monitor. Is there a way i can change the kernel boot command to usb video instead of DVI? even better, how to turn off dvi to save power.
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  61. [02:15:14] <GeniusGeeko> http://pastebin.com/8Nanpp4u
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  64. [02:21:37] <GeniusGeeko> lol, i think i gave you the wrong one
  65. [02:23:16] <GeniusGeeko> I'll have to boot up the beagleboard to get it
  66. [02:23:25] <smplman> thanks
  67. [02:28:21] * cwillu_at_work huggles libeatmydata
  68. [02:37:29] <djlewis> i see only the Chicony and cam. Chicony says 2.0
  69. [02:41:18] <AlTheKiller> Chicony sounds like the rat.
  70. [02:43:26] <GeniusGeeko> it was the wrong one
  71. [02:43:32] <GeniusGeeko> I'll get you the right one in a min
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  73. [02:56:35] <cmwslw> if I have the USB OTG plugged into my computer, how am i supposed to communicate with the beagleboard?
  74. [02:56:42] <cmwslw> is it a simple usb-serial adapter that shows up as /dev/ttyUSB0?
  75. [02:57:46] <GeniusGeeko> I believe it should if you installed the modules
  76. [02:59:56] <cmwslw> what modules?
  77. [03:01:02] <GeniusGeeko> did you install angstrom?
  78. [03:01:06] <GeniusGeeko> or what did you install?
  79. [03:03:50] <cmwslw> i have the angstrom demo on there right now
  80. [03:04:05] <cmwslw> normally, attaching the otg causes a kernel panic
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  82. [03:04:35] <cmwslw> i have to issue modprobe g_ether for it to actually work
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  84. [03:09:55] <GeniusGeeko> wait you got it to boot with the otg?
  85. [03:13:45] <cmwslw> nope, i have to boot with the 5v first then attach the otg
  86. [03:13:57] <cmwslw> idk if its possible to boot with only the otg
  87. [03:15:28] <GeniusGeeko> It is, I'm pretty sure.. alright from the demo files there should be a modules.tgz move the contents of it to the root directory
  88. [03:16:01] <cmwslw> ok thanks i wondered what those were for
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  94. [04:09:37] <GeniusGeeko> djlewis: it wouldn't work on the desk, but I finally got it. http://pastebin.com/LJtu8Bwk
  95. [04:10:08] <djlewis> tells me ist a usb 1.1
  96. [04:10:38] <djlewis> line 4: ?? bcdUSB ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? 1.10
  97. [04:11:03] <GeniusGeeko> alright I see it
  98. [04:11:05] <djlewis> max power is tolerable
  99. [04:12:08] <djlewis> should show as the same if working on Beagleboard
  100. [04:12:20] <GeniusGeeko> alright here is another dongle
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  102. [04:13:21] * djlewis is pieved cuz I purchased 3' of 1/4" OD aluminum shaft and it is exactly 1/4" OD
  103. [04:14:05] <cmwslw> and?
  104. [04:14:08] <djlewis> should be a air under so it will fit 1/4" bearings, hubs, couplers etc.
  105. [04:14:14] <cmwslw> k
  106. [04:14:20] <djlewis> s/air/hair
  107. [04:14:49] <djlewis> put it in a drill and spin with fine sand paper i guess :(
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  111. [04:17:00] <cmwslw> or put it in a container of pcb etchant for a short while
  112. [04:17:29] <djlewis> hmm, i gotta wonder which would be more accurate
  113. [04:18:44] * otubo[AFK] is now known as otubo
  114. [04:22:00] <cmwslw> as long as you have calipers to measure your sanding
  115. [04:22:20] <djlewis> umm, maybe i'll just order the right stuff
  116. [04:22:48] <cmwslw> where do you get stuff like that?
  117. [04:23:03] <djlewis> i got this aluminum 3' rod at home depot
  118. [04:23:27] <cmwslw> oh cool
  119. [04:23:28] <djlewis> just stumbled on this place recently: http://www.servocity.com/index.html
  120. [04:23:49] <djlewis> great deals on hubs, wheels, etc
  121. [04:24:32] <djlewis> I wanted the aluminum for less weight than steel.
  122. [04:24:39] <cmwslw> http://www.servocity.com/html/spt50_sub-micro_pan___tilt.html
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  124. [04:25:00] <cmwslw> all i can think of is a airsoft gun aimer
  125. [04:25:20] <cmwslw> if i had a camera i could get it to track people
  126. [04:25:32] <djlewis> thats cheaper than the kit from lynxmotion.com. I have it on my Bot
  127. [04:25:48] <GeniusGeeko> I would use a kinect its more acurate ;)
  128. [04:25:54] <djlewis> the linxmotion one
  129. [04:26:20] <djlewis> get the usb nerf gun
  130. [04:26:35] <djlewis> great for cubicle wars.
  131. [04:28:46] * otubo is now known as otubo[AFK]
  132. [04:28:50] <djlewis> actually the lynxM is cheaper without servos
  133. [04:29:39] <GeniusGeeko> djlewis: the other bluetooth is 2.0 but it doesn't work with angstrom
  134. [04:30:03] <djlewis> what does dmesg tell yo about it?
  135. [04:33:07] <GeniusGeeko> I turned it off, I'm done for today. I'll continue tomorrow
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  213. [09:13:20] <ericb2> hello
  214. [09:14:04] <ericb2> just for say I received my beagleboard. Thanks a lot to DigiKey guys, was very fast
  215. [09:16:40] <mbonnin> ericb2: faster than selectronic :-)
  216. [09:18:02] <dm8tbr> and faster than a pandaboard
  217. [09:18:31] <mbonnin> pands are slow, eat too much bamboo :-)
  218. [09:19:09] <ericb2> mbonnin: ;-)
  219. [09:19:46] <EricJ> So me and a friend are having a discussion.
  220. [09:19:55] <EricJ> Can some beagleboard play HD video yet?
  221. [09:20:10] <av500> depends
  222. [09:20:24] <dm8tbr> the SoC can, you need the right codecs :)
  223. [09:20:41] <EricJ> "summer of code"?
  224. [09:20:46] <av500> the 3630 *can* play H264 HD 720p at 3.1
  225. [09:20:50] <dm8tbr> System on a Chip
  226. [09:20:54] <EricJ> Oh
  227. [09:21:04] <av500> HP, L3.1
  228. [09:21:16] <av500> but the codec to do that is not "free"
  229. [09:21:24] <EricJ> Hm. Quite impressive regardless.
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  235. [09:48:50] <basti> hi
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  239. [10:10:55] <woglinde> ping koen
  240. [10:13:42] <basti> koen: did you encounter any problems getting qt to run like having absolutely no output on the dvi screen?
  241. [10:14:14] <av500> X or standalone?
  242. [10:14:15] <koen> basti: no
  243. [10:14:18] <koen> woglinde: pong
  244. [10:14:24] <basti> standalone with qws
  245. [10:14:34] <basti> with pvr plugin
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  247. [10:15:22] <basti> the prebuilt narcissus image works fine, my self compiled qt does not
  248. [10:15:23] <woglinde> koen is there some problem with angstroem-distribution again, download seems really slow
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  253. [10:23:00] <koen> woglinde: it's still being throtled due to those android warez
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  256. [10:25:20] <Guest99362> hello, is the BeagleBoard with the ARM 1GHz A8 cortex configured for TrustZone?
  257. [10:26:12] <av500> no
  258. [10:26:22] * ogra_ is now known as ogra
  259. [10:26:39] <Guest99362> which one is then? I need a board which has the SoC hardware-ready for trustzone
  260. [10:26:40] <woglinde> koen android warez?
  261. [10:26:40] <av500> trustzone stuff is under NDA and $$$
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  263. [10:26:56] <woglinde> hi av500
  264. [10:27:04] <av500> Guest99362: talk to TI
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  266. [10:27:18] <av500> you can get an evm or a zoom3 with a HS chip that enables that
  267. [10:27:30] <av500> after your sign NDA and pay $$$
  268. [10:27:38] <Guest99362> oh...
  269. [10:27:47] <Guest99362> zoom3 ...never heard of that
  270. [10:28:13] <av500> its the zoom2 with the 36xx cpu
  271. [10:28:24] <av500> you can upgrade a zoom2 to zoom3
  272. [10:28:54] <Guest99362> where can I find info on zoom3?
  273. [10:29:15] <av500> internet?
  274. [10:29:36] <av500> but as said, for trustzone you need to talk to TI
  275. [10:29:45] <Guest99362> aah...okay..
  276. [10:29:45] <Guest99362> thanks
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  285. [10:52:58] <koen> woglinde: someone upload a ubuntu/android dualboot to ltg
  286. [10:53:28] <koen> woglinde: and now all those android scriptkiddies are leeching the bandwidth by downloading that file continuously
  287. [10:54:39] <av500> dualboot on what?
  288. [10:54:53] <woglinde> beagle I guess
  289. [10:55:00] <av500> ah
  290. [10:55:03] <woglinde> damn /system partition
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  292. [11:01:00] <koen> woglinde: no, on some htc phone
  293. [11:05:14] <woglinde> ah damn
  294. [11:05:31] <woglinde> cannt they use cynagonmod and good
  295. [11:09:16] <koen> dunno
  296. [11:09:23] <koen> I staw away from that android stuff
  297. [11:19:10] <woglinde> *g*
  298. [11:19:12] <woglinde> I am not
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  317. [12:13:54] <koen> hmm
  318. [12:14:16] <koen> seems like I need to patch mplayer pull from the ffmpeg.org repo instead of the videolan one
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  320. [12:18:29] <peterk> Any video experts here? I want full screen video but X is only using 640x480.
  321. [12:19:45] <woglinde> video from what?
  322. [12:20:46] <peterk> Beagleboard S-Video, with Angstrom Linux
  323. [12:22:24] <peterk> I can run Firefox but with a big black border at the right and bottom. I can't make much sense of the overlays, frame buffers and displays
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  326. [12:30:10] <ericb2> what is the biggest micro SD card we can use with the beagle xM and with is the recommanded type ? I'm trying to find one 16GB or even 32GB if possible, but I'm not sure. Thanks in advance :)
  327. [12:30:25] <ericb2> s/and with is/and what is/
  328. [12:31:49] <av500> 32 should work
  329. [12:32:40] <ericb2> av500: I found some hcsd card, from Kingston (16GB here), is it ok ?
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  331. [12:35:40] <ericb2> av500: and both high speed or other work the same way ? ( I mean class 10 / class 4 )
  332. [12:35:57] <woglinde> ericb beagle is no photocamera
  333. [12:36:22] <av500> ericb2: sdhc is supported
  334. [12:36:35] <ericb2> av500: thank you very much
  335. [12:36:55] <ericb2> woglinde: I'm sorry, I don't understand ?
  336. [12:37:19] <woglinde> ericb2 you know what a photocamera is?
  337. [12:37:23] <ericb2> woglinde: all my machines are old, and I'm discovering the micro SD technology
  338. [12:37:39] <ericb2> woglinde: yes, I know, but my question was more about the compatibility
  339. [12:37:45] <av500> ericb2: http://www.sakoman.com/OMAP/microsd-card-perfomance-test-results.html
  340. [12:37:48] <woglinde> so you have still a analog camera
  341. [12:37:49] <woglinde> good
  342. [12:38:05] <woglinde> and https://wiki.linaro.org/WorkingGroups/KernelConsolidation/Projects/FlashCardSurvey
  343. [12:38:06] <av500> ericb2: so "class" is an illusion
  344. [12:38:10] <ericb2> av500: wo, great ! thank you
  345. [12:38:19] <ericb2> av500: I understand : just marketing illusion ?
  346. [12:38:39] <ericb2> thanks to both, I'll read carefully
  347. [12:40:04] <aholler> use an usb-hd and just use the sd to load the kernel from
  348. [12:41:11] <aholler> at least for development
  349. [12:41:14] <ericb2> aholler: that's what I'll do
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  351. [12:42:31] <fredic> i do beagleboardbeginner site step
  352. [12:42:48] <fredic> but my boot progress halt at
  353. [12:43:02] <fredic> Waiting for root device /dev/mmcblk0p2...
  354. [12:43:18] <fredic> then i wait too much but its not change
  355. [12:43:28] <fredic> how can i solve this problem
  356. [12:44:09] <woglinde> fredic seems something wrong with your second partion on the sd
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  358. [12:46:58] <fredic> i use rhis command
  359. [12:47:20] <fredic> sudo tar -xjv -C /media/rootfs -f /path/to/Angstrom-Beagleboard-demo-image*rootfs.tar.bz2
  360. [12:47:28] <fredic> at download site of demo
  361. [12:48:00] <woglinde> whats mounted on /media/rootfs?
  362. [12:48:13] <woglinde> did you format the sd for beagle?
  363. [12:48:22] <fredic> second partition
  364. [12:48:29] <fredic> of sd
  365. [12:48:33] <fredic> yeah
  366. [12:48:44] <fredic> with same step again and agin
  367. [12:48:48] <woglinde> hm
  368. [12:48:58] <fredic> in beaglebeginners site
  369. [12:49:16] <fredic> is it ext3 right
  370. [12:49:18] <fredic> ?
  371. [12:49:34] <woglinde> should be
  372. [12:49:44] <woglinde> but your initrd didnt find the partition it seems
  373. [12:49:58] <fredic> yeah
  374. [12:50:13] <fredic> i dont use uInitrd at boot partition
  375. [12:50:26] <fredic> is it problem
  376. [12:51:07] <fredic> i use uImage copied from /boot
  377. [12:51:29] <fredic> problem where can be
  378. [12:51:31] <fredic> ?
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  392. [13:54:04] <gustavoz> hi, a little question regarding DSS, pck is always integer multiplied from fck right?
  393. [13:55:07] <mru> pck is fck divided by an integer
  394. [13:55:24] <gustavoz> mru: k thanks, so no 800x600 -> 1024x768 scaling then unless i overclock fck :)
  395. [13:55:39] <mru> where do you get that from?
  396. [13:55:44] <gustavoz> since pck ~ 65 mhz for a 1024x768 panel
  397. [13:55:56] <mru> that's no problem
  398. [13:56:02] <mru> fck goes up to 173MHz
  399. [13:56:08] <gustavoz> omapdss DISPC error: failed to set up scaling, required fclk rate = 157988568 Hz, current fclk rate = 123428570 Hz
  400. [13:57:11] <mru> do you have CONFIG_OMAP2_DSS_USE_DSI_PLL enabled in your kernel config?
  401. [13:58:04] <gustavoz> oh no, got DSI disabled in general :)
  402. [13:58:25] <mru> enable that
  403. [13:58:35] <gustavoz> the panel isn't DSI
  404. [13:58:39] <mru> doesn't matter
  405. [13:58:48] <gustavoz> oh confusing option, confusing :) thanks!
  406. [13:58:55] <mru> you need to use the PLL in the DSI block to get the correct fclk
  407. [13:59:01] <woglinde> even its called OMAP2
  408. [13:59:06] <woglinde> thats confusing enough
  409. [14:00:16] <gustavoz> building... the customer for this didn't use common sense, why use a 1024x768 panel with 800x600 graphics?
  410. [14:00:26] <woglinde> lol
  411. [14:05:41] <gustavoz> still doesn't like me, though with different freqs
  412. [14:06:05] <gustavoz> wants 166.4, current 130
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  415. [14:08:09] <gustavoz> does the dss subsystem set the clock frequencies by it's own or should i do something special for scaling?
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  419. [14:19:31] <tomba> gustavoz: dss sets the frequencies by its own. you have a quite high pck, that's why it doesn't work. 65*3=195, which is already over the limit, so you can only get *2, which is not enough for many scaling cases.
  420. [14:19:44] <gustavoz> tomba: yeah thought so, thanks
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  432. [15:12:17] <vinod> want to know the must needed peripherals
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  434. [15:14:34] <grund> patience is a good start
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  436. [15:16:30] <pupnik> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuIrRoRPufc hildon-desktop running on ubuntu
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  441. [15:44:49] <olive> Do you know if there will be beagleboards xM for sale in Brussels (FOSDEM) this weekend?
  442. [15:47:04] <koen> not from the beagleboard.org people
  443. [15:47:25] <koen> maybe waterott or the hackable devices people will sell them
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  447. [15:53:18] <_av500_> i can sell one insanely overpriced
  448. [15:55:50] <muriani> pupnik: nice link
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  455. [16:08:03] <peterkvt80> Is there a guide to setting up full frame S-video somewhere? I think I have 720x574 but X is only using 640x480. Where am I going wrong?
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  459. [16:15:36] <pupnik> muriani: so what i'm thinking is linux / oe / angstrom plus hildon desktop for tablets
  460. [16:15:48] <pupnik> could be an attractive alternative to android
  461. [16:16:20] <muriani> pupnik: indeed. Hildon is a rather nice tablet UI.
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  464. [16:22:01] <_av500_> /win 4
  465. [16:22:10] <_av500_> /undo
  466. [16:22:54] <mru> the internet has no undo
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  468. [16:23:09] <av500> /kill_switch
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  470. [16:28:52] <muriani> pupnik: I've about got a friend sold on getting a linux tablet now that he's seen hildon-ubuntu :D
  471. [16:29:03] <muriani> (he's an N900 owner)
  472. [16:29:21] <pupnik_> heh av500 killed my connection
  473. [16:29:44] <pupnik_> cool muriani ! i'll let Thomasz know :)
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  475. [16:30:31] <muriani> we have a sample of the CTL 2goPad tablet here at work, I want to get my hands on it and load it up
  476. [16:30:40] <muriani> show usage on an actual tablet.
  477. [16:31:03] <muriani> But alas, quite sure they won't let me do anything so drastic to the device.
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  479. [16:32:07] * av500 lols at the gopad
  480. [16:32:08] <muriani> Essentially similar hardware to the video shown, but touchscreen only. Would have to set up automatic login at first to be usable.
  481. [16:32:16] <av500> 2gopad even
  482. [16:32:20] <muriani> yeah
  483. [16:32:45] <muriani> I'd like an OMAP4 tablet...
  484. [16:35:05] * dm8tbr likes his A101
  485. [16:35:21] <prpplague> muriani: grab a RIM playbook
  486. [16:35:40] * prpplague wonders how long before someone gets linux running on the playbook
  487. [16:35:55] <muriani> yeeeah. I'm saying good luck with that
  488. [16:36:01] <muriani> but you never know.
  489. [16:36:52] <pupnik_> rim playbook weighs 33% more than the archos a70s :P but it looks nice
  490. [16:36:54] <av500> why luck?
  491. [16:37:04] <prpplague> av500: thats what i was about to ask
  492. [16:37:16] <muriani> av500: my experience with RIM products is that they're' pretty locked down.
  493. [16:37:19] <prpplague> pupnik_: its pretty impressive
  494. [16:37:21] <muriani> But we'll see.
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  496. [16:38:02] <av500> muriani: its the omap4 is "HS" then yes
  497. [16:38:11] <prpplague> muriani: i suspect you'll see alot more omap4 products in the near future
  498. [16:38:15] <pupnik_> expensive and 'future' products vs inexpensive and great 'available now'
  499. [16:38:16] <av500> like what moto did on the milestone
  500. [16:38:35] <pupnik_> 1ghz 40nm omap3 on the a70s is very fast and power sipping
  501. [16:38:53] <muriani> prpplague: oh I don't doubt it. Cortex-A9 based chipsets in general are starting to pop into things, and they're very nice.
  502. [16:39:22] <pupnik_> i'll consider omap4 in 2012 maybe
  503. [16:39:32] <av500> if you can still buy one
  504. [16:39:50] <prpplague> av500: agreed
  505. [16:39:54] <muriani> I was thinking about converting my old thinkpad to omap4
  506. [16:40:05] <av500> with pixie dust?
  507. [16:40:10] <muriani> basically just using it as a case
  508. [16:40:27] <muriani> would have to interface or just replmace the screen, keyboard, etc
  509. [16:40:31] <prpplague> muriani: i've done two netbooks, not too bad
  510. [16:40:33] <muriani> the battery should last it awhile though :)
  511. [16:40:44] <prpplague> muriani: only problem is the touchpad, most are ps2 interface
  512. [16:40:48] <muriani> yeah
  513. [16:41:08] <muriani> mine's a clitmouse, not touchpad. Should still be ps2 most likely
  514. [16:41:25] <av500> ps2 2 usb is simple
  515. [16:41:25] <muriani> I'd likely just replace the lot with a USB-based setup
  516. [16:41:33] <av500> 2.50 from dealextreme
  517. [16:41:51] * dm8tbr bought his for 0,5 a pop from ZEG
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  519. [16:42:34] <aholler> git diff
  520. [16:42:36] <aholler> uups
  521. [16:43:01] <prpplague> av500: yea, i just used a atmega48 to do some power controls and i/o such as the touchpad
  522. [16:44:08] <prpplague> av500: basically a home brew power management chip
  523. [16:48:28] <pupnik_> if any of you figure out how to get the thinkpad trackpoint working as a mouse (usb) i would be so happy to read about it
  524. [16:48:48] <muriani> pupnik_: the eraserhead mouse?
  525. [16:48:51] <pupnik_> yea
  526. [16:48:58] <muriani> yeah, that's what I've got
  527. [16:49:08] <muriani> I'd be interested as well.
  528. [16:49:24] <pupnik_> well, they sell them as seperate keyboards for not too much money
  529. [16:49:37] <muriani> right
  530. [16:50:01] <muriani> if I didn't find anything, I was just gonna shoehorn a mini keyboard+touchpad in
  531. [16:50:20] <muriani> http://www.directron.com/ack540bkusb.html
  532. [16:50:23] <muriani> something along those lines
  533. [16:51:15] <pupnik_> that is very well done
  534. [16:51:36] <muriani> we keep a couple of those here at the tech bench at work
  535. [16:51:43] <muriani> easy plug in and go
  536. [16:51:57] <muriani> they're a little janky on some machines though
  537. [16:52:08] <muriani> either the touchpad won't work, or works erratically
  538. [16:52:11] <muriani> fine on other systems
  539. [16:53:03] <prpplague> pupnik_: http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/showthread.php?t=29554
  540. [16:53:22] <prpplague> pupnik_: i was able to use most of that info for connecting one to the beagleboard
  541. [16:53:27] <av500> muriani: if you replace the screen and the kbd on your old thinkpad, what is left of it's thinkspadness :)
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  545. [16:59:17] <pupnik_> prpplague: hmm, what about mating the trackpoint to a usb joystick controller
  546. [16:59:54] <muriani> av500: it's a shell, really
  547. [17:00:02] <prpplague> pupnik_: why? you can do that all in the driver
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  552. [17:02:55] <pupnik_> prpplague: i just have spare broken thinkpads - and i don't understand that datasheet
  553. [17:03:37] <prpplague> pupnik_: then i can't help you much
  554. [17:05:06] <av500> prpplague: so the trackpoint chip speaks PS2?
  555. [17:05:56] <prpplague> av500: well atleast the ones i have do
  556. [17:06:05] <prpplague> av500: as well as all the synaptics ones i have
  557. [17:06:16] <av500> so ps2 to usb is all that is needed
  558. [17:07:27] <av500> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/usb-to-ps-2-cable-adapter-15cm-length-45594
  559. [17:08:06] <prpplague> av500: yea if thats all you need
  560. [17:08:20] <av500> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/slim-usb-2-0-to-ps-2-adapter-dongle-1440
  561. [17:08:24] <av500> even cheaper
  562. [17:08:46] <prpplague> av500: there is another one that i got from fry's that's easier to solder to
  563. [17:08:53] <prpplague> av500: but i can't seem to find it on their website
  564. [17:09:27] <prpplague> av500: like i said, i ended up using an avr for a bunch of other things so it didn't make sense to have the usb adapter in there as well
  565. [17:09:58] <av500> prpplague: so you drove the trackpoint from the avr?
  566. [17:10:10] <av500> ps2 input on avr
  567. [17:10:10] <prpplague> av500: yea
  568. [17:10:12] <av500> right
  569. [17:10:13] <av500> ok
  570. [17:10:25] <muriani> that's easy enough to work with, then
  571. [17:10:26] <prpplague> av500: then the avr talked to the omap via spi
  572. [17:11:39] <prpplague> av500: also used the avr for some of the leds, the power button, the lid closed switch and a few other misc items
  573. [17:12:38] <prpplague> av500: used a TCA6424 to do the keyboard matrix
  574. [17:13:37] <av500> with n-key rollover?
  575. [17:14:12] <prpplague> av500: yea
  576. [17:14:21] <prpplague> av500: up to 6
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  579. [17:18:04] <prpplague> av500: http://gitorious.org/pandroid/kernel-omap/commit/2275b103af3467a264685866b5149c67027294bb
  580. [17:22:16] <av500> ic
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  586. [17:37:24] <prpplague> av500: i'm actually pushing for the next community boards to have a TCA6424 and ADC onboard for external intefaces
  587. [17:38:05] <av500> prpplague: you want to enter the arduiono market :)
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  591. [17:46:23] <aholler> aren't just some bidi-level-shifter cheaper?
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  593. [17:48:15] <jkridner|work> good morning all
  594. [17:48:23] <prpplague> jkridner|work: greetings earthling
  595. [17:49:18] <prpplague> aholler: they are about the same cost, but the gpio expanders and spi ADC make it easier for alot of folks to do real world interfaces that they are familiar with
  596. [17:49:23] <prpplague> av500: sorta
  597. [17:49:41] <prpplague> av500: i've picked up working on the process/wiring libs for linux
  598. [17:49:53] <prpplague> av500: but it will be awhile as i am doing it in spare time
  599. [17:50:07] <av500> k
  600. [17:50:46] <aholler> prpplague: I would prefer to use the available gpio and i2c without the need to talk to another chip with i2c.
  601. [17:51:06] <aholler> currently the expansion-header is pretty useless for homebrewn electronics
  602. [17:51:50] <prpplague> aholler: based on my survey you are in the minority, but i do agree that the expansion header is pretty much useless for folks like the SFE crowd
  603. [17:52:04] <prpplague> aholler: i expected the trainer board to have sold better than it did
  604. [17:52:24] <prpplague> aholler: but the arduino crowd is still very reluctant to use the beagle or panda without the wiring/process libs
  605. [17:53:14] <aholler> sure, spending another 50$ just to be able to connect something to the beagle isn't what most people want
  606. [17:53:18] <djlewis_> gm
  607. [17:53:31] <av500> djlewis_: gm
  608. [17:53:31] * pupnik_ is now known as pupnik
  609. [17:54:03] <prpplague> aholler: indeed
  610. [17:54:40] <av500> otoh, having cost added to the bb/pb for stuff they dont need isnt what most ppl want
  611. [17:54:53] <prpplague> av500: indeed
  612. [17:55:08] <av500> ardiuino is easy, ppl use it only for electronic hack
  613. [17:55:10] <av500> ardiuino is easy, ppl use it only for electronic hacks
  614. [17:55:27] <av500> so adc and io is a must have
  615. [17:55:33] <djlewis_> prpplague: you have been out of stock on trainers for a good while now.
  616. [17:55:48] <prpplague> av500: but with wiring/process libs, people who are familiar with arduino could hack under linux
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  619. [17:56:03] <av500> sure
  620. [17:56:05] <prpplague> djlewis_: yea, trying to decide what to do
  621. [17:56:12] <djlewis_> oh
  622. [17:56:14] <aholler> and what should people do with the bb if they can't communicate with usual 5v-stuff?
  623. [17:56:14] <av500> i asked for these libs long ago :)
  624. [17:56:45] <av500> weep?
  625. [17:57:13] <av500> (gently)
  626. [17:57:16] <djlewis_> aholler: I am happy with my Trainer board
  627. [17:57:29] <av500> djlewis_: it trained you well?
  628. [17:57:39] <aholler> djlewis_: see above
  629. [17:58:08] <prpplague> aholler: which is why i was pushing for more +3.3v or +5v selectable i/o
  630. [17:58:29] * prpplague is completely open for discussions on what could be done better on the expansion headers of the beagle and panda
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  632. [17:59:46] <aholler> nothing, the trainer is good, but those board should offer 5v-levelshifters by themself.
  633. [17:59:53] * av500 wants a board that supplies 3 phase current and pre oiled air
  634. [18:00:10] <prpplague> count on av500 for sane ideas
  635. [18:00:24] <av500> oh, and non oiled air too
  636. [18:01:02] <prpplague> aholler: price wouldn't really change that much
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  638. [18:01:33] <prpplague> djlewis_: not sure that TCT is going to do too many more items for panda/beagle
  639. [18:01:41] <aholler> prpplague: which price?
  640. [18:01:57] <prpplague> djlewis_: doing retail stuff hasn't proved as profitable as doing direct engineering and production for B2B
  641. [18:02:19] <prpplague> aholler: for the trainer
  642. [18:02:29] <prpplague> aholler: still be around $50 to $60
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  647. [18:04:50] <aholler> prpplague: I mean the bb and the pand should have something like the sparkfun 8745 on board
  648. [18:05:26] <aholler> they should already convert those 1.8v-io-stuff to 5v.
  649. [18:05:52] <aholler> maybe selectable by a dip-switch
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  651. [18:07:56] <tomba> I'm trying 2.6.38-rc2 on my beagle, but I don't seem to be able to get anything out from the serial. .37 worked ok. any ideas what has changed?
  652. [18:08:23] <aholler> use ttyO2 instead ttyS2
  653. [18:08:33] <aholler> inittab and securetty
  654. [18:08:43] <tomba> I am using ttyO2
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  656. [18:09:22] <tomba> I don't get any output from the kernel at boot time, so either the serial is not working or the kernel is crashing in early stages
  657. [18:11:08] <tomba> and the same happens on my Overo board...
  658. [18:11:58] <prpplague> aholler: yea, if we were going to level shift, we;d use a TI part for a wide channel
  659. [18:12:20] <djlewis_> prpplague: that saddens me, your product is well thought out, designed well and made.
  660. [18:13:14] <rcn-ee_at_work> tomba, earlyprink enabled? i've noted a bug on mainline before the serial port comes all the way up, so you don't see anything with out earlyprink..
  661. [18:14:46] <aholler> prpplague: that isn'tof interest, but people just want to use their 5v-stuff they already have. I think most wouldn't have bought a bb if they had read the small print ;)
  662. [18:15:16] <djlewis_> yep, that 1.8v is a eye opener
  663. [18:15:29] <djlewis_> where it comes to interfacint to obsolete ttl
  664. [18:15:47] <prpplague> aholler: "that isn'tof interest"? the TI part would do the same thing as the 8745, just all on one chip
  665. [18:15:48] <av500> its obsolete for a reason :)
  666. [18:16:06] <prpplague> av500: only obsolete for mobile devices
  667. [18:16:15] <av500> prpplague: I know :)
  668. [18:16:24] <aholler> prpplague: sure, I meant people don't care what is used to level-shift those 1.8v
  669. [18:16:30] <av500> I would agree on putting the 3v/5v stuff :)
  670. [18:16:38] <prpplague> aholler: understood, but TI does, hehe
  671. [18:16:49] <av500> thing is, can it do that for all pinmux usages?
  672. [18:16:49] <aholler> I tons of 5v-stuff around i want to use.
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  674. [18:16:59] <av500> spi, mmc mcbsp?
  675. [18:17:10] <av500> or would the 5v be only for plain pgio
  676. [18:17:13] <av500> gpio
  677. [18:17:32] <aholler> i2c and gpio would be nice
  678. [18:17:41] <tomba> rcn-ee_at_work: hmm I think I also tried with earlyprintk. I need to check again.
  679. [18:18:12] <av500> aholler: i2c and gpio at the same time is not so easy
  680. [18:18:21] <av500> with the same level shifter
  681. [18:18:40] <aholler> not? haven't looked at that because I still don't have a shifter ;)
  682. [18:18:43] <koen> rc2 has the power fixes already, dunno what broke
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  684. [18:18:52] * av500 shifts aholler to the left
  685. [18:18:58] <av500> james!
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  687. [18:24:58] <tomba> rcn-ee_at_work: Linus' master branch seems to work
  688. [18:25:42] <rcn-ee_at_work> okay, cool then the bug i was thinking must have been fixed post rc2..
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  699. [18:58:45] <aditya> what is the purpose of ramdisk.gz and ramfs.img files in the sd card given with beagle xm board
  700. [18:59:23] <rcn-ee_at_work> aditya, hold down the user button, and find out... ;)
  701. [18:59:29] <aditya> are they really needed to uplaod a custom kernel
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  703. [18:59:40] <aditya> in the beagle board xm
  704. [18:59:44] <av500> aditya: no
  705. [18:59:53] <av500> if your kernel does not use an initial ramdisk
  706. [18:59:59] <av500> you dont need them
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  708. [19:03:33] <aditya> i want to use 2.6.25.14 kernel so how to know that this kernel doesnt need inital ram disk
  709. [19:03:56] <aditya> is it in our hands
  710. [19:04:03] <av500> 2.6.25?
  711. [19:04:07] <aditya> whether to make use of ramdisk or not
  712. [19:05:10] <aditya> ok we have already made some basic tests with that kernel in x86 platform
  713. [19:05:32] <aditya> so right now we dont want to change
  714. [19:05:47] <av500> who is "we"?
  715. [19:05:56] <aditya> me my parter
  716. [19:05:59] <aholler> bacause that kernel works on x86? pretty senseless ;)
  717. [19:06:53] <aditya> means i couldnt get u
  718. [19:07:01] <aditya> senseless >............?
  719. [19:07:12] <av500> aditya: why 2.6.25.14?
  720. [19:07:19] <av500> where is this kernel even from?
  721. [19:07:35] <aholler> you have to use a kernel which supports your hardware
  722. [19:07:49] <av500> and, most important, did you visit www.beagleboard.org and read *everything* on it?
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  724. [19:09:56] <aditya> i have already tested my wirless drivers and cam drivers which are suitable to this kernel
  725. [19:10:22] <aditya> so thats y i dont want to go for new kernel
  726. [19:10:31] <aditya> and test there again
  727. [19:10:53] <av500> well, then backport all the omap3 and beagleboard stuff back to 2.6.25
  728. [19:12:07] <aditya> so u mean beagle board doesnt support that kernel
  729. [19:12:11] <aditya> is it so
  730. [19:12:15] <rcn-ee_at_work> 'old'
  731. [19:12:52] <av500> aditya: the beagle board is hardware, it does not care what you run on it
  732. [19:14:42] <aditya> due to some time constraints i have to go with this old kernel
  733. [19:14:52] <aditya> i will go with latest kernel
  734. [19:15:01] <aditya> when i m sucess with this
  735. [19:15:20] <av500> time constraints?
  736. [19:17:45] <aditya> ok actually I doing a project
  737. [19:18:39] <aditya> so i m not taking care about kernel version right now
  738. [19:19:10] <aditya> if some thing work on old kernel will also work on new
  739. [19:19:20] <av500> maybe
  740. [19:20:25] <aditya> so i got stucked at uboot
  741. [19:20:57] <av500> aditya: why not start with a known good kernel for the BB and add your drivers there?
  742. [19:21:07] <aditya> ok
  743. [19:21:17] <aditya> suggest
  744. [19:21:25] <aditya> a kernel
  745. [19:21:38] <av500> [20:07:49] <av500> and, most important, did you visit www.beagleboard.org and read *everything* on it?
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  747. [19:26:14] <aditya> i couldnt get u what actually u r pointng me to see
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  749. [19:26:56] <av500> aditya: I am saying you did not do your homework
  750. [19:27:11] <aditya> ok
  751. [19:27:18] <aditya> i got u r point
  752. [19:27:42] <aditya> i will work and come back
  753. [19:27:45] <aditya> again
  754. [19:27:50] <aditya> if necessary
  755. [19:27:57] <aditya> thanks
  756. [19:28:04] <av500> np
  757. [19:28:07] <aditya> to all for responses
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  774. [20:36:15] <podex> hi! can anybody help, pls. I found in older logs in this chat that netinstall is working with a MOSCHIP 7830/7730 USB ethernet adapter. But the Link was broken. Does anybody know where to get it? I downloaded ubuntu-10.04-netbook-armel+omap.img
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  780. [20:49:35] <aholler> you don't netinstall when you have downloaded a complete image
  781. [20:49:58] <aholler> And I assume that image already has the necessary driver for usb-eth-adapter
  782. [20:50:17] <_av500_> aholler: its called egyptian net install
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  784. [20:51:18] <aholler> poor people without network
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  786. [20:52:54] <podex> @aholler: thy for remembering me, I tried both, the full 10.04 and also netinstall. both are missing the driver. I just downloaded ubuntu-10.10-r3-minimal-armel.tar.7z
  787. [20:53:13] <podex> is it in there?
  788. [20:54:52] <rcn-ee_at_work> podex, that chip should be supported in that download..
  789. [20:55:05] <rcn-ee_at_work> i had been using one of them since 2.6.27 on the beagle
  790. [20:55:40] <podex> ok, I'll give it a try QRX ;-)
  791. [20:56:08] <aholler> should have a name like mcs7830.ko
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  795. [21:09:12] <podex> Bus 001 Device 006: ID 9710:7830 MosChip Semiconductor MCS7830 10/100 Mbps Ethernet adapter
  796. [21:09:42] <podex> mcs7830 7330 0
  797. [21:10:00] <podex> so I think the driver is in, now I can proceed with the install
  798. [21:10:07] <podex> THX a lot!
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  800. [21:10:59] <podex> FYI: I got my first BeagleBoard last week and I am quite curious about. What I've seen so far is nice...
  801. [21:15:55] <podex> ok, network is up and now I'm doing a full install
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  816. [22:20:36] <olive> Does anyone know how to turn on the BB at power supply ?
  817. [22:20:52] <olive> (in case of power failure)
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  822. [22:33:12] <djlewis_> when power returns beagle turns on
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  824. [22:33:41] <djlewis_> unless you are using a PC power supply or other that requires a external push
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  827. [22:36:31] <olive> hmm. its a classic 5V power supply
  828. [22:38:10] <olive> I had a power outage a few hours ago, the BB has remained off.
  829. [22:38:53] <djlewis_> there is no switch. when power is applied it is on unless of catastrophic faliure.
  830. [22:39:06] <djlewis_> check upstream
  831. [22:39:13] <olive> strange..
  832. [22:39:38] <djlewis_> got a DVM? check power at the plug that goes into BB
  833. [22:40:32] <olive> hmm DVM? digital voltmeters ?
  834. [22:40:59] <olive> no I don't
  835. [22:41:13] <olive> :/
  836. [22:41:48] <jacekowski> DVM?
  837. [22:42:00] <jacekowski> i've seen that first time
  838. [22:42:03] <jacekowski> everybody uses DMM
  839. [22:42:07] <djlewis_> DMM, VOM etc
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  841. [22:42:26] <olive> I'll buy one tomorrow
  842. [22:42:47] <jacekowski> how much are you planning to spend?
  843. [22:43:01] <djlewis_> jacekowski: only you young whippor snappers ;)
  844. [22:43:15] <olive> I don't know
  845. [22:43:52] <djlewis_> harbour freight gets a fair one (useable) for about $5.00
  846. [22:44:32] <jacekowski> hmm, i have fluke 289 that's worth around $500
  847. [22:44:48] <djlewis_> jacekowski: sounds like a real nice VOM
  848. [22:44:54] <jacekowski> DMM
  849. [22:44:57] <djlewis_> hehee
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  851. [22:46:07] <jacekowski> i almost blown up an oscilloscope today
  852. [22:46:23] <djlewis_> a DSO
  853. [22:46:24] <thefloe> what todo against a series of "Alignment trap in kernel: swapper (0)" when booting angstroem on new beagle-xm?
  854. [22:46:30] <olive> if the power supply "give" more than 5V (8V ?) is it a big problem ?
  855. [22:46:38] <djlewis_> olive, YES
  856. [22:46:46] <jacekowski> djlewis_: yes
  857. [22:47:12] <jacekowski> djlewis_: i didn't check if it's connected to isolated socket before connecting it to DUT
  858. [22:47:20] <djlewis_> olive: i hear tell a XM might handle it but previous beagleboards do not
  859. [22:47:38] <olive> its a C4
  860. [22:47:40] <jacekowski> djlewis_: and there was just flash and bang and 60A breaker tripped and tip of probe is molten
  861. [22:47:50] <djlewis_> jacekowski: I once blew out a good terminal cause a arse miswired a workbench
  862. [22:48:11] <djlewis_> jacekowski: sounds like a toasted scope
  863. [22:48:13] <djlewis_> :(
  864. [22:48:15] <jacekowski> nope
  865. [22:48:19] <jacekowski> scope survived
  866. [22:48:24] <jacekowski> it's good tek
  867. [22:48:29] <djlewis_> cool
  868. [22:49:09] <djlewis_> olive: in big print in SRM, do not exceed 5vDC
  869. [22:49:23] <jacekowski> djlewis_: 5.5V
  870. [22:49:26] <olive> okey
  871. [22:49:39] <djlewis_> oh, my bad, though I'd stop at 5.25
  872. [22:49:42] <olive> thanks
  873. [22:49:44] <jacekowski> 5V nominal 5.5 absolute maximum
  874. [22:49:59] <jacekowski> but well, it can be powered from usb and you can have 5V+-10% on usb
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  876. [22:50:47] <olive> used power supply say "+5V - 2A" :/
  877. [22:51:00] <olive> maybe I'm wrong :)
  878. [22:51:09] <djlewis_> it is a sad thing that labels can not be trusted
  879. [22:51:36] <djlewis_> it means the supply should produce 5vDC at 2Amps draw.
  880. [22:51:49] <djlewis_> It may be starting from 12vDC at less current draw
  881. [22:52:28] <djlewis_> Always measure a power supply. only takes a second to fry silicon.
  882. [22:52:41] <olive> I'll get a voltmeter to the neighbor
  883. [22:53:04] <djlewis_> how did you decide it was 8vDC?
  884. [22:53:26] <olive> it was an example / supposition
  885. [22:53:41] <djlewis_> hmmm
  886. [22:57:39] <olive> My neighbor had one! I just checked .... it gives 7V
  887. [22:58:46] <olive> well... I'll make my own 5V tomorrow...
  888. [22:59:38] <djlewis_> lets hope your Beagleboard survived the abuse
  889. [23:02:04] * djlewis_ got stainless steel hardware today.
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  891. [23:02:29] <djlewis_> can now start assembling the 12.5" newtonian :) i've been restoring
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