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IRC Log for 2011-04-20

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[00:10:22] <htns> anyone know what kind of u.FL antennae are compatible with beagle wlan adapter?
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[01:44:19] <djlewis> tornado's, that is
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[01:52:02] <bobkatzz> hey all
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[01:56:42] <bobkatzz> av500: ping
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[03:16:19] <sakoman> Hi,i hav installed sakoman on beagleboard-xm by following http://www.sakoman.com/category/7-gnome-daily-builds-r12.html. now i m trying "opkg install opencv" to install opencv on sakoman but it gives error "unknown package : opencv".how can i install opencv on sakoman??.i hav also tried top install libcv1,libcv-dev,libhighgui-dev..etc but its giving me same error "unknown package: xxxxxx".(i hav installed python successfully on sako
[03:16:46] <sakoman> *top=to
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[03:20:35] <sakoman> Hi,i hav installed sakoman on beagleboard-xm by following http://www.sakoman.com/category/7-gnome-daily-builds-r12.html. now i m trying "opkg install opencv" to install opencv on sakoman but it gives error "unknown package : opencv".how can i install opencv on sakoman??.i hav also tried to install libcv1,libcv-dev,libhighgui-dev..etc but its giving me same error "unknown package: xxxxxx".(i hav installed python successfully on sakom
[03:24:06] <sakoman> hellllooooo
[03:25:37] <djlewis> first off, you are not sakoman, that name is taken, change it!
[03:26:03] <sakoman> K
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[03:27:29] <BB-xm> Hi,i hav installed sakoman on beagleboard-xm by following http://www.sakoman.com/category/7-gnome-daily-builds-r12.html. now i m trying "opkg install opencv" to install opencv on sakoman but it gives error "unknown package : opencv".how can i install opencv on sakoman??.i hav also tried to install libcv1,libcv-dev,libhighgui-dev..etc but its giving me same error "unknown package: xxxxxx".(i hav installed python successfully on sakoman
[03:27:51] <djlewis> better.
[03:27:59] <djlewis> did you opkg update?
[03:28:06] <BB-xm> yes
[03:28:34] <djlewis> opkg list opencv*
[03:29:26] <djlewis> i show seven opencv entries
[03:30:06] <BB-xm> all packages r downloaded through this PATH:- http://feeds.sakoman.com/feeds/gnome-r12/images/ (when i m using opkg install)
[03:30:31] <djlewis> if you installed sakoman gnome the path is set for you iirc
[03:30:42] <djlewis> I dont have XM but it just works for me.
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[03:31:36] <djlewis> I followed the same installer as you
[03:31:37] <BB-xm> "i show seven opencv entries" but opencv program r not working.....it gives me error that .."opencv not found"
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[03:32:01] <djlewis> ther eis no opencv program, read up
[03:32:31] <BB-xm> my opencv program
[03:32:47] <djlewis> then you didnt get the libs and includes setup
[03:32:53] <djlewis> proper path that is
[03:34:24] <BB-xm> i hav tried "opkg install libcv-dev libcv1 libhighgui-dev etc.....but it is giving me same error "unknown package : XXXXX"
[03:34:26] <djlewis> BB-xm: install libopencv-imgproc-dev
[03:35:09] <BB-xm> is this for library files ??
[03:35:25] <BB-xm> then for include files,....
[03:35:26] <djlewis> it has a part in linking the libs, yes
[03:35:32] <djlewis> same
[03:35:39] <BB-xm> K
[03:35:58] <djlewis> pisses me off that things change without notice.
[03:36:25] <djlewis> this is a recent change
[03:38:35] <BB-xm> i hav tried much on google but i can't find out.Thank you very much
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[03:39:10] <djlewis> i only found out after having to fix it myself
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[03:44:22] <djlewis> type pkg-config opencv --libs -cflags to show if the paths are right
[03:44:34] <djlewis> --cflags
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[04:22:10] <NotTooDumb3> av500, Hi..Do i need to configure dot clock, horizontal vertical timings for NTSC mode, for tv output if i want NTSC mode?
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[04:46:30] <_av500_> http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/drivers/video/omap2/dss/venc.c#L278
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[05:05:07] <NotTooDumb3> thank you...
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[05:09:35] <BB-xm> opkg install libopencv-imgproc-dev :-> giving me Error. collected errors: *pkg_run_script:package "shadow" postinst script returned status 3. *opkg_configure:shadow.postinst returned 3.
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[05:11:15] <BB-xm> opkg install libopencv-imgproc-dev :-> giving me Error.
[05:11:21] <BB-xm> collected errors:
[05:11:28] <BB-xm> *pkg_run_script:package "shadow" postinst script returned status 3.
[05:11:37] <BB-xm> *opkg_configure:shadow.postinst returned 3.
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[05:17:14] <BB-xm> http://pastebin.com/v8LueK4Y
[05:19:06] <BB-xm> opkg install libopencv-imgproc-dev :->giving me error on sakoman .http://pastebin.com/v8LueK4Y
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[05:20:35] <BB-xm> hellllllloooooooooooooo
[05:22:55] <thurbad> dunno, I don't use opencv
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[05:59:45] <BB-xm> opkg install libhighgui-> give me Error:-"unknown package"
[05:59:59] <BB-xm> on sakoman
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[07:14:16] <NotTooDumb3> Hi av500 & all, i have following confusions..can any one please help me to understand more?
[07:14:25] <NotTooDumb3> (1) configured the values from omap2/venc for ntsc and also as an another attempt, got the fbset geometry and timings values from the working Angstrom demo image fbset output and configured incase of my driver with fbset -g and fbset -t options, but tv does not show any output meaning it's still in auto mode with blue color.
[07:14:33] <NotTooDumb3> (2) is GFX the default window, on which we see angstrom logo and desktop when demo image boots up?
[07:14:42] <NotTooDumb3> (3) i tried changing the background color from default blue color and zero value by setting.DISPC_DEFAULT_COLOR1 to all ones, and expecting white color to appear on tv, but still default blue color and auto message on the left corner of tv are being shown, am i not seeing the white color i am expecting because, tv is not set to NTSC/PAL mode properly?
[07:15:05] <NotTooDumb3> thank you for your patience in reading through my questions
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[07:26:28] <av500> the blue is most likely your tv
[07:26:39] <av500> it means "no signal"
[07:27:27] <av500> and you can always connect a scope to the output and see if there is output or not...
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[08:02:40] <NotTooDumb3> yes blue with auto at the left hand corner is tv
[08:02:54] <woglinde> hi NotTooDumb3
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[08:03:05] <NotTooDumb3> Hi woglinde...
[08:03:23] <NotTooDumb3> oscilloscope i will find out if i can one..
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[08:05:10] <NotTooDumb3> to the output meaning board's output or tv output? sorry bad question though...
[08:05:21] <av500> ...
[08:06:23] <NotTooDumb3> av500, i see the vertical lines on tv before kernel unpacks..it's after the kernel is unpacked it goes to auto with blue which is as good as i do not connect tv to board's s-video port
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[08:16:08] <NotTooDumb3> av500, board is working fine right? what exactly can i check with scope..problem is in my driver itself..
[08:17:03] <woglinde> hi ceriand
[08:17:06] <woglinde> hi dragon
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[08:36:23] <av500> NotTooDumb3: 1) no signal 2) wrong signal 3) good signal
[08:36:31] <av500> NotTooDumb3: it does not seem to be 3)
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[08:37:12] <ant_work> lol
[08:37:26] <NotTooDumb3> yes it is definitely not 3, as if it's 3) i could have seen atleast something
[08:37:41] <av500> so...
[08:39:38] <NotTooDumb3> so, i need to rule out between no signal and wrong signal..
[08:39:48] <av500> indeed
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[08:42:00] <NotTooDumb3> av500, sorry to bother you more, but can that only be done with scope or can i also do them by printing some values and checking if they are proper
[08:43:25] <av500> scope takes 1min
[08:43:46] <NotTooDumb3> to be true, problem is there is no scope available for me
[08:44:08] <av500> no comment
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[08:44:22] <Ali_> Hi All
[08:44:35] <Ali_> I wonder if anyone can help me on this issue I have
[08:44:47] <av500> impossible :)
[08:45:11] <Ali_> I am building image for beagleboard and have this command bitbake -k beagleboard-demo-image
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[08:45:44] <Ali_> Everytime i build my firefox do_compile fails NOTE: package firefox-3.6.8-r3: task do_compile: Failed
[08:46:15] <Ali_> I have done git pull to keep OE up to date and it is?
[08:46:18] <av500> pastebin a full log
[08:46:32] <Ali_> ok
[08:46:33] <NotTooDumb3> av500, impossible are you saying in my case? i would have happily checked if it is there...
[08:46:36] <Ali_> hold on
[08:47:10] <av500> NotTooDumb3:
[08:47:11] <Ali_> This is as much as I can capture on terminal
[08:47:13] <av500> NotTooDumb3: no
[08:47:17] <Ali_> ysroot=/home/ubuntu/OE/build/tmp/sysroots/armv7a-angstrom-linux-gnueabi -o CodeAlloc.o -c -fvisibility=hidden -DOSTYPE=\"Linux\" -DOSARCH=Linux -DEXPORT_JS_API -DJS_USE_SAFE_ARENA -I. -I. -I./../../dist/include -I./../../dist/include/nsprpub -I/home/ubuntu/OE/build/tmp/work/armv7a-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/firefox-3.6.8-r3/mozilla-1.9.2/dist/include/nspr -I. -fPIC -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Woverloaded-virt
[08:47:20] <woglinde> args
[08:47:22] <woglinde> pastebin
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[08:47:37] <Ali_> sugar not all got pasted
[08:47:47] <woglinde> ali use a pastebin
[08:47:50] <av500> Ali_: pastebin
[08:47:52] <Russ> are you calling woglinde sugar?
[08:48:02] <woglinde> I am sweet as candy
[08:48:04] <Ali_> ok how do I do that
[08:48:08] <woglinde> according to my wife
[08:48:10] <woglinde> haha
[08:48:14] <av500> Ali_: use google
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[08:48:37] <Ali_> lol ok hold on let me figure this out than
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[08:51:47] <jimmy_mike> Hello everybody,??my??bsp's??cpu-omap.c??call??clk_set_rate (mpu_clk, policy-> cpuinfo.max_freq * 1000)??after the function, clk_get_rate??value??is still??600MHZ,??I usebeagleboard-xm.
[08:52:14] <av500> ask your bsp vendor :)
[08:52:18] <woglinde> *g*
[08:52:29] * woglinde scratches head, which vendor ships xm bsp
[08:52:39] <Russ> btw, anyone ever watch woz speak?
[08:52:40] <av500> woglinde: I can sell you one
[08:52:44] <Russ> is it worth the time?
[08:52:53] <av500> ppl watched him dance....
[08:53:39] <Russ> there was also a claim that segway rides might be available
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[08:54:01] <av500> then you are sold, no?
[08:54:12] <Russ> dunno, they'll be quite a few people there
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[08:54:31] <Russ> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=212376975456470
[08:54:34] <woglinde> jo raster
[08:54:38] <av500> make sure to ask him when iphone5 will come out
[08:54:39] <woglinde> ieehks facebook
[08:54:57] <av500> Russ: you need to provide a login+password
[08:55:11] <Russ> I know, it sucks, but that's all I got for the notice
[08:55:39] <Russ> over a 8hr period, 279 people have RSVP'd on facebook alone
[08:55:55] <av500> I hope he brings extra batteries then
[08:56:33] <Russ> ok, gtg
[08:57:43] <koen> I never understood how you can verbize RSVP
[08:57:45] <Ali_> Right here we go woglinde
[08:57:49] <Ali_> the link is
[08:57:50] <Ali_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/596459/
[08:57:57] <koen> it's just an acronym for "please respond"
[08:58:35] <av500> xpidl.h:49: fatal error: glib.h: No such file or directory
[08:58:39] <woglinde> ali yes bug is kown
[08:58:48] <Ali_> Right
[08:58:49] <woglinde> fixes for it appers on the oe-dev ml
[08:58:56] <Ali_> How do I get around it please
[08:59:13] <woglinde> maybee koen needs to make pull request to maintaince branch
[08:59:27] <av500> what about the gazillion of warnings?
[08:59:32] <woglinde> ali grep the patches from oe-dev mailinglist and apply them locally
[08:59:49] <koen> woglinde: the fix needs to get into .dev first
[09:00:00] <woglinde> ah
[09:00:01] <koen> and anyone can make a pull request
[09:00:03] <av500> warning: cast from 'const unsigned char*' to 'size_t*' increases required alignment of target type
[09:00:04] <woglinde> wasnt sure of it
[09:00:28] <woglinde> av500 yeah you look of the finest code millions of people brwosing the internet
[09:00:28] <Ali_> Now then we are taking havent got a clue how to do that now
[09:01:09] <av500> woglinde: cant they cast once via a void like everybody else? :)
[09:01:10] <woglinde> ali learn it
[09:01:33] <koen> av500: firefox is done by c++ people
[09:01:52] <woglinde> koen nah
[09:01:57] <woglinde> thats not the problem
[09:02:08] <woglinde> care for code quality is the problem
[09:02:31] <woglinde> you dont want to see the warnings of hotspot or awt code
[09:03:46] <koen> that's kind of implied by me not wanting to look at java stuff :)
[09:05:08] <Ali_> yes thats what I will do thanks for your guys help.
[09:05:30] <woglinde> ali you are familiar with git?
[09:05:42] <woglinde> when not get familiar with git in first place
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[09:09:44] <Ali_> No woglinde
[09:09:55] <woglinde> so your first task of the day
[09:10:18] <mlip> ;)
[09:10:18] <Ali_> is there any getting started for GIT i can use
[09:10:53] <woglinde> google git tutorial?
[09:11:51] <Ali_> Right ok
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[09:11:54] <woglinde> and after it
[09:11:55] <woglinde> http://www.openembedded.org/index.php/GitPhraseBook
[09:12:03] <woglinde> and for your case
[09:12:08] <woglinde> read about git am
[09:12:36] <woglinde> and http://patches.openembedded.org/patch/2283/
[09:12:50] <Ali_> ok
[09:12:57] <Ali_> is this one good to follow
[09:12:58] <Ali_> http://www.vogella.de/articles/Git/article.html
[09:13:17] <mlip> Ali_, you could also just do the official tutorial: `man 7 gittutorial` after you've installed git
[09:13:49] <Ali_> I have already got git installed and an account on git
[09:15:16] <woglinde> mlip he already has git
[09:15:25] <koen> mlip: you missed libol, but I already had that locally
[09:15:28] <woglinde> otherwise no image building
[09:16:28] <mlip> koen, thx
[09:16:29] <Ali_> and what about this link to follow
[09:16:30] <Ali_> http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/user-manual.html
[09:16:37] <av500> koen: liblol?
[09:16:56] <mlip> Ali_, if you've some time to spend, sure ;)
[09:17:33] <mlip> koen, I missed it because I had it in another local layer ;)
[09:17:52] <Ali_> yes i need to get this right learn things and then go forward rather than just searching web getting a fix not knowing what it does and moving forward
[09:18:25] <mlip> open up a console, type `man 7 gittutorial` and just do this; it will give you an overview about the most important things
[09:19:39] <Ali_> mlip: Can you post link for that
[09:19:54] <Ali_> this is same as the link i posted above
[09:20:03] <Ali_> i think
[09:20:37] <Ali_> sugar i did not understand your comment get it now though
[09:21:13] <mlip> http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/gittutorial.html
[09:21:43] <Ali_> yes thats right i'll crack on
[09:21:57] <Ali_> thanks for your help and also woglinde
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[10:50:12] <Ali_> Hi
[10:50:19] <Ali_> Can anyone tell me what gitk is
[10:51:05] <Ali_> do i need to install gitk as I an trying to view histroy of particual project
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[10:51:34] <Ali_> I have installed GIT though through sudo apt-get install git
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[11:00:39] <woglinde> gitk is an ugly gui for git
[11:00:44] <woglinde> better use qgit
[11:04:34] <mru> gitk is a great gui for git
[11:04:42] <mru> no silly eye candy getting in the way
[11:04:57] <woglinde> mru the standard setup suckz
[11:05:00] <woglinde> fonts to small
[11:05:04] <woglinde> and so on
[11:05:07] <woglinde> qgit is the same
[11:05:07] <mru> configurable
[11:05:10] <woglinde> and better
[11:05:15] <woglinde> in standard config
[11:05:18] <mru> I always make fonts smaller than default anyway
[11:05:24] <mru> and who cares about defaults?
[11:05:27] <mru> it's not gnome3
[11:05:31] <woglinde> they are so small you cannt read it
[11:05:40] <mru> I never noticed that
[11:05:50] <woglinde> hm anyway
[11:05:52] <mru> your X or tk setup must be broken
[11:05:54] <woglinde> I like qgit
[11:06:01] <mru> never tried it
[11:06:05] <mru> does it use Qt?
[11:06:07] <woglinde> yes
[11:06:14] <mru> >/dev/null then
[11:06:18] <woglinde> one more reason I like it
[11:06:40] <mru> one more GB of ram to run it
[11:08:04] <woglinde> hm its not webkit
[11:08:07] <ant_work> well, qt can also run on 32MB devices...
[11:08:32] <woglinde> .o(qt app can start in one second including booting)
[11:11:23] <ynezz> "hello world"
[11:13:13] <av500> xv hello world.png
[11:13:39] <woglinde> "hello ynezz"
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[11:20:00] <ant_work> ynezz: hey
[11:21:10] <ynezz> hi
[11:21:28] <ant_work> ynezz: about your S20modutils.sh -> S02modutils.sh there are actually no effects if you have the driver compiled in kernel (e.g. rtc).
[11:21:49] <ynezz> you don't need modutils then at all, right?
[11:22:06] <ant_work> exactly, there are two or three vars controlling that
[11:22:21] <ant_work> still trying to figure out the cleanest way
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[11:22:42] <ynezz> it works for me (tm) so I don't care :)
[11:22:51] <ant_work> and for other drivers, e.g. snd, I guess udev could load the modules itself
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[11:23:17] <ant_work> koen spotted the issue but was silent afterwards
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[11:25:36] <ynezz> well, I'm happy that it works and that I don't need to touch that crappy stuff again
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[11:33:33] <ant_work> ynezz: stil modutils seems to have default S 20 when used. Today's standard would be S12module-init-tools
[11:33:46] <ant_work> as I read e.g. here http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/629
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[11:35:41] <ynezz> yes, that's why you can be bitten by the same problem on debian also
[11:37:02] <ynezz> udev simply doesn't care about module order and loads according to the current moon phase
[11:37:14] <ynezz> s/loads/loads them/
[11:37:38] <_troll_> order should not matter
[11:38:00] <ant_work> this is also interesting read: http://elinux.org/Optimize_RC_Scripts
[11:38:33] <ynezz> in my case it does, otherwise I wouldn't care
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[11:38:57] <woglinde> .o(upstart and systemd)
[11:39:35] <ynezz> yes, ideal solution for the embedded devices with 200MHz and 100 bogomips :)
[11:39:37] <ant_work> ynezz: anyway, what we have is sub-optimal. I guess we still have modutils-initscripts for compatibility with micro-distros without IMAGE_DEV_MANAGER
[11:41:11] <woglinde> wrong channel btw. guys
[11:41:14] <ant_work> he he, parallelizing the RC needs a beefy machine, otherwise the advantage are not obvious
[11:41:17] <ant_work> yes, indeed
[11:41:18] <ynezz> ah, damn, sorry
[11:41:20] <ant_work> sorry
[11:41:42] <ynezz> I was wondering who is that troll
[11:42:15] <koen> you must be new here :)
[11:43:28] <av500> so oe is now offtopic here?
[11:44:10] <ynezz> it's oe-core+meta-eighty-layers now :)
[11:44:23] <av500> yoectoe?
[11:44:37] <ynezz> could be
[11:55:28] <NotTooDumb3> if a driver initialization works fine during kernel unpacking, but when application calls the driver after kernle unpacking is over, it hangs at that point, means what could be the reason?
[11:55:59] <av500> how can a driver work "during" kernel unpacking?
[11:56:07] <av500> you have a cpu that can run "packed" code?
[11:56:13] <av500> GZ80?
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[11:56:58] <koen> av500: C64x+
[11:57:31] <mru> that's packed in a rather different sense
[11:57:34] <NotTooDumb3> av500, no..i mean driver is initalized fine or atleast does not hang during unpacking
[11:58:20] <mru> iirc it's a bit like thumb2
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[11:58:52] <NotTooDumb3> av500, one mistake in my driver i found or atleast i felt a mistake was i was not writing timing informations to timing registers, which i corrected now, still not working though..
[11:59:34] * mru wonders just how dumb too dumb might be
[12:00:15] <woglinde> mru it seems is trying hard to get better
[12:00:34] <av500> NotTooDumb3: printk
[12:01:11] <NotTooDumb3> to see whether they got written properly or not?
[12:01:20] <av500> for anything
[12:01:27] <NotTooDumb3> ok..
[12:01:39] <NotTooDumb3> i am using..
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[12:19:22] <plm> Hi all
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[12:24:44] <woglinde> hi plm
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[12:26:35] <mlip> anyone can tell me (once again) what I need to do to get my BB xM showing output on my serial? console=ttyO2,115200n8
[12:27:01] <woglinde> and recent kernel and uboot
[12:27:24] <mlip> U-Boot 2011.03-rc1-00168-g73e5476-dirty , kernel .32
[12:27:30] <mlip> i just always seem to forget it
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[12:32:59] <mlip> nvm, had to set it back to ttyS2
[12:33:03] <mlip> weird
[12:33:05] <woglinde> yes
[12:33:07] <woglinde> .32 kernel
[12:33:12] <woglinde> not .37
[12:33:17] <woglinde> thats it
[12:33:39] <mlip> yeah, thx
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[12:51:33] <woglinde> hiho jkridner
[12:51:34] <jkridner> good morning all
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[12:56:49] <av500> gm
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[13:40:40] <jkridner|work> anyone going to LinuxTag?
[13:42:05] <koen> me
[13:42:08] <mlip> koen, present?
[13:42:11] <mlip> ;)
[13:42:40] <av500> me
[13:42:42] <mlip> would you like another pull request for syslog-ng runtime fixes, or is it enough to just point you to the git repo here
[13:42:58] <av500> jkridner|work: and the wall does too
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[13:43:05] <koen> mlip: git repo would be fine
[13:44:11] <mlip> koen, https://gitorious.org/oe-zoid/meta-openembedded HEAD~2:HEAD
[13:44:25] <mlip> libol had a typo in license checksum
[13:44:26] <koen> got them, thanks!
[13:44:45] <mlip> thx for merging
[13:44:50] <koen> mlip: I know, git just complained about local changes :)
[13:45:00] <koen> seems --amend didn't work
[13:45:11] <mlip> cheat! ;)
[13:46:12] <jkridner|work> k, koen, I thought you were going with the wall, but wanted to confirm.
[13:46:21] <jkridner|work> I sent e-mail to notify Nipuna.
[13:46:47] <woglinde> jkridner|work I will be at linuxtag too
[13:47:00] <jkridner|work> great!
[13:47:10] <woglinde> at the navit booth mainly
[13:48:18] <mlip> koen, btw: I don't know if you want to fix, but meta-ti layer uses .32 kernel with u-boot patched use ttyO2 as console
[13:49:09] * jkridner|work googles navit
[13:49:20] <koen> mlip: the jury is still out on that
[13:49:44] <koen> mlip: the plan was to switch to .37, but that got put on hold
[13:50:10] <woglinde> koen btw. orc has problems when compiled with gcc > 4.4
[13:50:21] <mlip> koen, I see; just put a note on my desk, as I always seem to forget about the nodename switch ;)
[13:50:31] <woglinde> and schroedinger dont regenerate files with the orc version installed
[13:51:02] <woglinde> I hope I find some time this evening to fix schroedinger at least
[13:51:15] <av500> and the cat
[13:52:01] <koen> woglinde: If I had know that last week, I would have hassled david in person :)
[13:52:38] <woglinde> koen I still dont understand the problem with orc and gcc
[13:52:52] <woglinde> orcc parses the stuff okay
[13:52:58] <jkridner|work> woglinde: the project page link on http://www.navit-project.org/ seems to be broken
[13:53:16] * jkridner|work was looking for an RSS feed to notify beagle users about navit
[13:53:22] <woglinde> but when it is wrinting into its internal structures and you have two dest commands in the orc file
[13:53:28] <woglinde> it blows up
[13:53:38] <woglinde> one dest command works fine
[13:54:00] <woglinde> jkridner try http://www.navit-project.org/
[13:54:26] <woglinde> jkridner hm beagle has no gps nor is portable
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[13:54:30] <woglinde> *g*
[13:54:44] <liu> Hi.all
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[14:01:57] <liu> anyone here?
[14:02:14] <woglinde> no
[14:02:16] <jkridner|work> woglinde: ??? thats where I was looking. Also, gps and battery are easy to add to Beagle.
[14:02:40] <woglinde> jkridner and whats not working?
[14:03:03] <jkridner|work> click on the "Project Page" on the navigation pane on the left hand side.
[14:03:23] <b7500af1> project page worked for me..
[14:03:31] <woglinde> works for me
[14:03:52] <jkridner|work> on http://sourceforge.net/projects/navit/ I get "This page has been deprecated and is now controlled by the consume team."
[14:04:29] <woglinde> ?
[14:04:29] <jkridner|work> Link is at: general -> Home -> Project Page
[14:04:38] <woglinde> you got hacked?
[14:04:54] <jkridner|work> strange, now it worked when I reloaded.
[14:04:59] <liu> are BBxm`s softwares compatible with the wersions before?thanks
[14:05:16] <woglinde> liu yes
[14:05:22] <jkridner|work> liu: not exactly, but the Linux kernel and u-boot abstract the deltas.
[14:05:47] <jkridner|work> outside of some small deltas required at startup and abstracted by the Linux kernel, yes.
[14:06:03] <woglinde> jkridner|work hm we are looking seldom at this page
[14:06:09] <woglinde> wiki and trac is more active
[14:06:17] <jkridner|work> do you have a news blog?
[14:06:27] <jkridner|work> are you not targeting this application for Beagle?
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[14:06:38] <jkridner|work> seems like it would run nicely on a Beagle.
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[14:06:53] <liu> i will get my BBxm tomorrow..it is difficult for me to get a bbxm.im from china
[14:06:55] * jkridner|work can't detect sarcasm when distracted over IRC
[14:07:09] <jkridner|work> liu: are you trying ChipSee and CATCAN?
[14:07:28] <liu> yes.i got bbxm from chipsee
[14:07:31] <jkridner|work> both should deliver into China easily for you.
[14:08:04] <liu> it doesnt export to China
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[14:09:20] <daurnimator> whats the best distro to run on my xm?
[14:10:23] <koen> angstrom
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[14:10:35] <liu> yes..
[14:10:57] <daurnimator> an angstrom release off their builder page? or is there some private repo of builds worth looking at?
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[14:11:15] <woglinde> jkridner|work jama is navit maintainer in oe
[14:11:44] <woglinde> besides I didnt test it on beagle yet
[14:13:03] <jkridner|work> liu: I'm told that ChipSee does sell to China. Can you send me an e-mail describing any information that says they do not?
[14:13:50] <liu> they do sell BBxm in China
[14:14:00] <daurnimator> mmm? do I use the beagleboard builder on angstrom narcissus page for my xM? or is there other builds somewhere?
[14:14:25] <woglinde> daurnimator depends on your needs
[14:14:55] <daurnimator> at the moment I wouldn't mind just having it as a networked media player
[14:15:18] <woglinde> than narcissus should be okay for you
[14:15:35] <jkridner|work> daurnimator: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ has pre-built images, but they likely need to be updated. http://beagleboard.org/discuss has links to some newer images built with Narcissus.
[14:16:04] <jkridner|work> be aware the first boot of a Narcissus image can take a while if you have a slow SD card.
[14:16:42] <jkridner|work> the images linked on the latest mailing list discussions are unbooted images (so they need to go through the configure step on the first boot).
[14:17:06] <daurnimator> I haven't touched my xm for a hilw, last time I was here I had to run a custom build because I had an A3 (and some new display turning on code that hadn't been implemented)
[14:17:12] <daurnimator> I assume all that stuff is fixed by now?
[14:19:13] <jkridner> fixed where?
[14:19:47] <daurnimator> well there was a patch for ubuntu for eg
[14:19:50] <jkridner> the images assembled by Narcissus now work on all existing xM revisions.
[14:20:17] <jkridner> Ubuntu should work with xM Rev Ax and Bx, but will need a patch to work with xM-C.
[14:20:32] <koen> narcissus images have always worked for all released beagle versions
[14:21:03] <daurnimator> koen: not always :) took them 2 weeks or so to catch up I think :)
[14:21:04] <jkridner> I think we still need to go back and test with pre-xM rev Bx.
[14:21:25] <jkridner> Narcissus is tested ahead of releasing the boards.
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[14:21:41] <jkridner> Narcissus is used now to generate the test software.
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[14:23:03] <jkridner> daurnimator: koen would know, since he created the Narcissus image assembler for Angstrom and is the Angstrom maintainer and on the BeagleBoard project.
[14:23:48] <jkridner> so, when you say 'them', you mean 'you'. :)
[14:24:17] <liu> jkridner.are you the official supporter??
[14:24:23] <daurnimator> jkridner: well I can tell you from experience, back in september when I got my A3, no releases worked with a display; I'll have it in logs somewhere. patches were made and submitted.
[14:25:12] <jkridner> I actively try to support the project, yes. official is a loaded term. i could not support the project without the many other volunteers supporting the project.
[14:25:25] <jkridner> but, if you are looking for someone to blame, yes, blame me.
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[14:26:15] <liu> ;) i will never blame you..
[14:26:40] <jkridner> daurnimator: no Ubuntu releases or no software period? testing with displays is a requirement before we ship boards. having publicly available software is also a requirement before shipping boards. it was probably an issue with communicating to the community.
[14:26:42] <liu> i`m a gentleman
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[14:27:51] <jkridner> just remember, I answer support questions only in public. if you need private support, there are many professionals on this channel you can bring under contract.
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[14:28:39] <liu> got it
[14:28:54] <jkridner> private messaging me support questions is my #1 peeve. it happens just about every day that I show my face here.
[14:29:14] <jkridner> I'm actually here just about every single day, but only respond if someone pings me (ie. mentions jkridner)
[14:29:42] <liu> i see
[14:29:48] * mru makes note to throw "jkridner" into general conversation more often :)
[14:29:57] <jkridner> :)
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[14:30:26] <jkridner> any conversation that mru would drag me into is a conversation I'm interested in.... if for no other reason than for enlightened trolling.
[14:30:34] <liu> we use QQ more often in China.
[14:30:55] <woglinde> QQ?
[14:31:01] <mru> everything is different in china
[14:31:06] <woglinde> mainland china or tw?
[14:31:13] <liu> any question?
[14:31:16] <liu> mainland
[14:31:19] <mru> woglinde: doesn't matter
[14:31:20] <woglinde> no politics here
[14:31:23] <woglinde> *g*
[14:32:35] <daurnimator> ps, not the channel for it; but koen; I've got an old zaurus C3200 here; anything cool I can do with it?
[14:32:40] * jkridner also doesn't know what QQ means and doesn't see it clarified.
[14:32:44] <jkridner> QQ == any question?
[14:32:50] <jkridner> doesn't make sense to me.
[14:32:58] <gilmorenator> me either
[14:33:12] <b7500af1> QQ is a chat program
[14:33:21] <liu> right
[14:33:22] <gilmorenator> maybe its cause i'm irish :p
[14:33:28] <jkridner> ah!
[14:33:39] <liu> IM program
[14:33:54] <liu> like ICQ
[14:33:55] * jkridner wonders if 6 continents are represented in here today.
[14:34:02] <woglinde> 7!
[14:34:11] * daurnimator is australia
[14:34:12] <jkridner> who is in Antartica!?
[14:34:16] <woglinde> *g*
[14:34:25] <woglinde> dontforget the moon
[14:34:35] <liu> .....
[14:34:40] <liu> moon..
[14:34:40] <jkridner> I don't see skipisz around running ultra-marathons this week in Antartica.
[14:34:59] <daurnimator> I did get a guy from antartica on irc once
[14:35:09] <daurnimator> software bug on gps software they were using :P
[14:35:16] <woglinde> lol
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[14:36:38] <jkridner> skipisz does most of the hardware bring-up on the BeagleBoard and ran an ultra-marathon in Antartica recently. he sent us pictures from the Beagle Channel.
[14:36:42] <muriani> daurnimator: I had an old Zaurus SL5500, I wanted a C-series so badly back then
[14:38:07] <daurnimator> they were pretty ahead of their everything
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[14:38:21] <av500> ahead of themselves
[14:38:39] <daurnimator> problem was that they had no connectivity; wifi CF cards were the go; but they get in the way and you can't type when the wifi is in
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[14:39:15] <koen> daurnimator: use it as a paperweight, that's what most zauruses are nowadays
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[14:39:23] <av500> daurnimator: I have a CF 2G modem rotting here
[14:39:26] <daurnimator> av500: btw, do I know you from archos days of yore?
[14:39:47] <av500> might be
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[14:40:24] <daurnimator> gmini400, archopen etc?
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[14:43:50] <woglinde> hi topfs
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[14:58:09] * jkridner wishes we could clear #beagleboard to get a ChanServ supported room.
[14:58:43] <jkridner> folks in #freenode aren't helpful if it cannot be automated.
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[14:58:54] <woglinde> jkridner uhm?
[14:59:03] <koen> folks in #freenode aren't helpful <period>
[14:59:20] <jkridner> woglinde: are you a #freenode maintainer?
[14:59:32] <woglinde> no
[14:59:35] <woglinde> lol
[14:59:55] <woglinde> but I thought they have super cow forces
[15:00:08] <woglinde> to kick all users from channel
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[15:06:11] <dm8tbr> jkridner: you don't need to kick all the people
[15:06:33] <dm8tbr> jkridner: it just takes an OPER to come here and +o you
[15:07:33] <dm8tbr> well or there
[15:08:18] <jkridner> dm8tbr: can you make that happen?
[15:09:05] <dm8tbr> jkridner: to give me one more argument for this. your name shows up on the beagleboard webpages?
[15:10:09] <woglinde> o.O
[15:10:33] * dm8tbr is just going to ask one of the OPERs he knows
[15:10:49] <dm8tbr> it's hard enough to get ahold of one of them when you need them urgently...
[15:10:57] <jkridner> http://beagleboard.org/brief is signed by me.
[15:11:25] <jkridner> it gives a brief history of the project.
[15:11:40] <dm8tbr> and you need to register #beagleboard only not #beagle ?
[15:11:57] <jkridner> I'd prefer #beagle, since that is where everyone is...
[15:12:06] <jkridner> #beagleboard is a work-around only.
[15:12:43] <jkridner> if we moved to #beagleboard, we'd have to educate everyone on where to go.
[15:12:49] <av500> no
[15:13:08] <jkridner> no what? i know it isn't empty right now...
[15:13:12] <av500> jkridner: if we got to own #beagle, we could make it reroute ppl to #beagleboard
[15:13:14] <jkridner> but, there are only 2 people to clear.
[15:13:29] <av500> jkridner: dm8tbr knows how that works
[15:13:32] <jkridner> that would be fine, but we'd need to own both.
[15:13:40] <av500> jkridner: yes
[15:13:46] <woglinde> hm
[15:14:05] * jkridner would be happy with redirecting people to #beagleboard if we also owned #beagle.
[15:14:07] <dm8tbr> I'll get this started. don't expect instant results
[15:14:44] * jkridner doesn't expect any results after >1 year of pinging #freenode people.
[15:16:22] <av500> jkridner: dm8tbr has irc superfoo powers
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[15:21:57] <dm8tbr> jkridner: the SNR on ##freenode tends to be negative ;)
[15:22:22] <jkridner> lol
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[15:30:56] <dm8tbr> jkridner: process initiated, let's see. one of the statements was 'then it should be near trivial'.
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[15:55:58] <woglinde> hi matt_o
[15:56:03] <Matt_O> woglinde, greetings
[15:56:15] <Matt_O> my beaglebroad should ship tomorrow according to digikey
[15:56:17] <Matt_O> I'm stoked
[15:56:34] <Matt_O> I guess I should get a mini SD card for it :)
[15:56:46] <av500> it comes with one
[15:56:52] <Matt_O> I thought it came with nothing?
[15:56:54] <av500> which holds the validation image or so
[15:57:02] <av500> all my XMs came with one
[15:57:09] <Matt_O> all? how many do you have? hehe
[15:57:14] <av500> 4 or so
[15:57:17] <Matt_O> dang
[15:57:18] <Matt_O> you're serious
[15:57:25] <Matt_O> what is it you do again? :)
[15:57:39] <av500> put pictures of PCBs on flickr
[15:57:50] <woglinde> av500 begged 4 times or so
[15:57:53] <woglinde> *g*
[15:57:56] <av500> http://www.flickr.com/photos/av500/sets/72157624533739048/
[15:58:33] <Matt_O> av500, that's pretty neat
[15:58:45] <Matt_O> av500, I got the impression that you also do some related software project?
[15:59:01] <av500> I do evil closed source based on omap3
[15:59:07] <Matt_O> http://www.flickr.com/photos/av500/4992813940/in/set-72157624533739048 <-- woohoo!
[15:59:26] <Matt_O> closed source, eh?
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[15:59:36] <av500> evil, like I said
[16:00:09] <Matt_O> I've run an open source project for 10 years ( http://www.daphne-emu.com ). I don't view closed source as evil as I did 10 years ago. :)
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[16:03:18] <Matt_O> I intend to use my PC's power supply for the 5V source to power the xM.. sound good?
[16:03:29] <Matt_O> (I searched all my plugs and found none that matched the criteria)
[16:04:01] <av500> ?
[16:04:06] <av500> when your pc is running?
[16:04:17] <Matt_O> when I turn it on? :)
[16:04:43] <av500> you might want to use *a* pc power supply to get 5v
[16:06:12] <Matt_O> you mean... not at the same time my PC needs it? I don't quite follow
[16:06:19] <Matt_O> it's a 500W, it should be plenty
[16:06:26] <Matt_O> unless I am missing something
[16:06:32] <av500> yes
[16:06:38] <av500> that use case is OK
[16:06:40] <mru> stealing some power from a running PC should be fine
[16:06:44] <av500> yes
[16:06:52] <woglinde> but dont get the 12V
[16:06:53] <mru> that's what usb power does, after all
[16:06:58] <av500> I thought for a moment you wanted to power only the BB
[16:06:58] <Matt_O> woglinde, right :)
[16:07:16] <av500> and pc power supplies have some minimum load reqs
[16:08:29] <Matt_O> well then I think I'm set... now I just have to wait for it to arrive
[16:08:38] <Matt_O> :(
[16:09:04] <woglinde> matt_O you mean if you get before easter holidays
[16:09:50] <jkridner> Matt_O: uh, did you figure the USB connector was going to work for you?
[16:10:10] <Matt_O> jkridner, you mean wasn't going to work for me?
[16:10:22] * jkridner might have to start recommending that silly USB-to-barrel adapter again if we can't get a crash-free kernel in the demo image.
[16:10:52] <jkridner> why not again?
[16:10:58] <jkridner> need more juice?
[16:11:01] <Matt_O> jkridner, I am not understanding the question
[16:11:06] <jkridner> need to power devices off the USB hub on the Beagle?
[16:11:47] <Matt_O> jkridner, well to put things in context, I'm a bit of a newbie to things so I won't necessarily know the optimal way to do things. I actually didn't think about powering it from USB
[16:11:59] <Matt_O> well, newbie to beagleboard things is what I meant
[16:12:17] <jkridner> seems like that is a *really* easy way to get power from the PC.
[16:12:22] <jkridner> there are issues to consider...
[16:12:29] <av500> only 500mA
[16:12:33] <Matt_O> I just remember av500 recommending 2A power so I figured hooking into the PC power supply would suffice
[16:12:41] <av500> Matt_O: that is correct
[16:12:56] <av500> Matt_O: but that means PC to DC-IN
[16:12:59] <av500> not PC to usb
[16:13:02] <Matt_O> sure
[16:13:08] <av500> and not PC usb port to BB usb port
[16:13:09] <jkridner> 500mA is the spec, but hacks abound. guess I shouldn't be recommending that.
[16:13:15] <Matt_O> I realize that
[16:13:17] <av500> jkridner: what hacks?
[16:13:41] <jkridner> well, many PCs provide more power out the port than the spec.
[16:13:41] <av500> jkridner: usb is 500mA, thats it
[16:13:48] <Matt_O> the only USB device I need to plug in is a flash drive
[16:13:58] <woglinde> av500 if you lucky
[16:14:10] <av500> woglinde: in fact, only after enumeration
[16:14:17] <av500> before its 100mA
[16:15:00] <woglinde> hm stupid
[16:15:00] <woglinde> me
[16:15:05] <woglinde> have uclibc at work too
[16:15:11] <woglinde> so no gles package
[16:16:05] <woglinde> and eglibc recompile last to long
[16:16:06] <woglinde> now
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[16:18:28] <Matt_O> woglinde, do you do much with OpenGL then?
[16:18:54] <woglinde> no
[16:18:58] <Matt_O> ahh
[16:18:59] <woglinde> only compiling
[16:19:07] <Matt_O> I saw some youtube videos showing off shaders on the beagleboard
[16:19:14] <Matt_O> I'm hoping that means that shader performance is pretty good
[16:19:14] <woglinde> have little knowledge to it
[16:19:26] <woglinde> hm its sgx
[16:19:58] <Matt_O> it's fun stuff
[16:20:13] <woglinde> sgx?
[16:20:19] <Matt_O> openGL programming
[16:20:26] <woglinde> ah hm yes
[16:20:46] <Matt_O> although I've never done the ES variant
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[16:40:00] <arcanescu> Does the beagleboard have anyway or a mod for compsite video in for video streaming like the leopardboard?
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[16:41:12] <av500> yes and no
[16:41:18] <av500> it has a camera port
[16:41:33] <av500> but the leopard module does not fit 1:!
[16:41:34] <av500> but the leopard module does not fit 1:1
[16:41:40] <av500> it needs tweaking
[16:41:50] <arcanescu> I cant even find the leopard module its out of stock everywhere :/
[16:42:34] <arcanescu> would the control signals need to be mod'ed?
[16:42:47] <av500> the data lines dont match
[16:42:58] <av500> leopard uses 20bit but bb only has 10bit
[16:43:28] <arcanescu> .... damn hope someone comes up with a mod board soon =/
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[16:44:01] <arcanescu> any idea on gstreamer daemons on beagle though? with leopard all I hear is ridgerun ridge run witha 1 million dollar sdk
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[16:50:51] <arcanescu> av500: have you ben able to tweak it?
[16:51:46] <av500> tweak what?
[16:51:50] <av500> I dont need it
[16:52:05] <arcanescu> hmmmm... are you using something else?
[16:52:11] <av500> I dont need it
[16:52:18] <av500> no on the BB
[16:55:55] <arcanescu> hmmm ok
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[17:07:25] <av500> arcanescu: I have used a TVP5146 on an omap3 in the past
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[17:10:03] <arcanescu> av500: do you know of a breakout board for that?
[17:10:10] <av500> for what?
[17:11:06] <arcanescu> the TVP5146 to go straight on the beagle
[17:11:29] <av500> the leopard module is a good start
[17:11:34] <av500> it just needs to be rewired
[17:12:13] <jkridner|work> sakoman: I saw a patch where you removed the VID/PID from overo/beagle due to them not being registered. is there a work-around? I'm getting vid/pid of 0/0 right now.
[17:12:28] <jkridner|work> At one point, I knew who owned the PIDs and new how to allocate them...
[17:13:04] <arcanescu> av500...hmmm I think i will give that a try
[17:13:05] <jkridner|work> I thought we might have even done so, but I suspect it should be something somehow generic.
[17:22:08] <sakoman_> IIRC, if vid/pid weren't defined then the code would use some generic default
[17:22:19] <sakoman_> perhaps that part changed!
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[17:38:45] <jkridner|work> sakoman_: I don't think it changed--I got the generic values this time. for some reason, I got a one-time bad enumeration. :(
[17:42:34] <jkridner|work> k, behavior seems a bit flaky, but usbtty in u-boot still works.
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[17:45:30] <Russ> jkridner|work, so TI is looking for more people?
[17:46:13] <jkridner|work> not at random, but always interested in top talent.
[17:46:36] <Russ> I'd be nice, but I can't move right now
[17:47:37] <koen> mlip: syslog-ng is working nicely now
[17:47:41] <koen> first time I used it
[17:47:50] * koen is still on syslog-pg
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[17:48:13] * Russ wonders how "not working" it is....
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[17:52:51] <jkridner|work> sakoman_: I'm getting all sorts of dropped data using usbtty.
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[17:53:23] <sakoman_> jkridner|work: yup, I've seen that too
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[17:53:43] <jkridner|work> it used to work, before it went upstream.
[17:53:47] <sakoman_> IIRC a TI engineer was looking into that a few months back
[17:54:02] <sakoman_> jkridner|work: upstream changes all the time!
[17:54:41] <sakoman_> I never use it myself
[17:55:18] <sakoman_> too user unfriendly
[17:55:42] <jkridner|work> well, something came over me yesterday seeing Sandeep's pull request to Wolfgang that I wanted to see the Beagle stuff actually work upstream so I'm testing as much as I can.
[17:56:07] <jkridner|work> he even included the EHCI stuff in the pull request.
[17:56:13] <sakoman_> IIRC the TI engineer (sorry can't remember who it was!) found some suspect code that he was going to investigate
[17:56:24] <jkridner|work> :(
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[17:58:55] <tasslehoff> I want to make full suspend/resume and wake-up timers work on my beaglelike board. Any ideas which kernel I should work with? I'm compiling latest Angstrom/OE from dev now, and that has .37.
[18:00:50] <av500> hi tasslehoff
[18:01:06] <tasslehoff> av500: good evening (here at least)
[18:01:13] <Russ> I think there was very recent talk of posix wake up timers
[18:01:46] <Matt_O> tasslehoff burfoot!
[18:02:23] <tasslehoff> Matt_O: :)
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[18:10:12] <tasslehoff> sakoman_: did you test the powerscripts I got from the archos repo?
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[18:31:31] <wmat> gah, i'm suddenly getting over-current errors on ports 2,3,4,5
[18:39:14] <djlewis> gm guys, we survived the storms last night :)
[18:40:12] <av500> \\\ooo///
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[18:45:41] <Matt_O> djlewis, woohoo!
[18:48:48] <djlewis> Matt_O: how's things out west?
[18:49:08] <av500> wild
[18:49:11] <Matt_O> djlewis, how'd you know?
[18:53:00] <djlewis> Matt_O: everyone knows :)
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[18:53:31] <Matt_O> djlewis, you tracerouted me or something? :)
[18:53:35] <Matt_O> you naughty boy!
[18:53:56] <djlewis> now now... I wouldn't do a thing like that :)
[18:54:30] <djlewis> like last night a newbie took sakoman_ 's name and I got down on him.
[18:54:45] <djlewis> without the underscore
[18:55:02] <Matt_O> why woudl they do that?
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[18:56:56] <djlewis> the person identifies with product.
[18:57:16] <av500> Matt_O: Wasatch?
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[18:57:45] <Matt_O> av500, what is your question? :)
[18:57:55] <av500> um, nothing
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[19:01:06] <woglinde> orc fixed
[19:01:17] <Matt_O> woglinde, I am overjoyed and I have no idea what that means :)
[19:01:17] <woglinde> till later
[19:01:33] <woglinde> orc and schroedinger
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[19:11:27] <djlewis> interesting thunderstorm dumping 2 centimeter hail
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[19:34:41] <damon17> djlewis: hello!
[19:35:30] <djlewis> hello
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[19:36:38] <damon17> i have a question regarding ethernet on the xM
[19:37:04] <damon17> it works perfectly, i can do all updates
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[19:37:36] <damon17> until i use 'ifconfig usb0' to connect it to my laptop via VNC to view the screen on my Ubuntu Remote Desktop Viewer
[19:37:52] <damon17> it just stops working after this...no net access
[19:38:21] <damon17> any idea why this could be the prob? any, idea? koen? you, too?
[19:40:45] <damon17> erm, anybody here? any suggestions folks?
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[19:46:03] <woglinde> damon17 what?
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[19:51:57] <damon17> i have a question regarding ethernet on the xM
[19:52:08] <damon17> it works perfectly, i can do all updates
[19:52:11] <damon17> until i use 'ifconfig usb0' to connect it to my laptop via VNC to view the screen on my Ubuntu Remote Desktop Viewer
[19:52:20] <damon17> it just stops working after this...no net access
[19:53:35] <damon17> woglinde: any idea?
[19:53:44] <h1n1> i hav same problem
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[19:55:00] <h1n1> i m using Ethernet to USB connector
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[19:59:32] <woglinde> why?
[19:59:40] <woglinde> xm has ethernet
[19:59:55] <woglinde> no need to hassle usb-ethernet adapters
[20:00:01] <woglinde> +with
[20:01:48] <damon17> i'm not using those
[20:02:39] <damon17> i'm not using adapters
[20:02:50] <damon17> i'm using an ethernet cable
[20:02:58] <damon17> yet the internet doesnt work
[20:03:21] <damon17> i'm using a straight* ethernet cable
[20:04:00] <woglinde> ?
[20:05:14] <h1n1> woglinde: he is telling "straight type Ethernet cable"
[20:05:37] <woglinde> but I wonder usb0
[20:05:49] <woglinde> I thouht the smc is uses as eth0
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[20:07:01] <damon17> no
[20:07:10] <damon17> it uses it as usb0
[20:07:18] <woglinde> than the media sensing is broken
[20:07:20] <damon17> the ethernet socket on the xM is connected via usb
[20:07:26] <woglinde> try a hub or switch
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[20:10:15] <djlewis> damon17: are you straight cabled from the XM to the PC ethernet?
[20:10:43] <damon17> djlewis: yes, i am
[20:10:45] <Matt_O> if so... I bet you will need a crossover cable
[20:10:49] <djlewis> right
[20:10:58] <h1n1> right
[20:11:06] <Matt_O> either a crossover cable, or you will need to plug both the xM and the PC into a switch/hub
[20:11:21] <djlewis> still, a cheap 4 port switch is far better.
[20:11:55] <Matt_O> your router may have a few ports you can use already depending on what it is
[20:12:19] <damon17> well, what i do is, i have connected my xM directly to the modem - my PC is disconnected at this point.
[20:12:42] <Matt_O> cable modem?
[20:12:49] <damon17> yes
[20:12:58] <Matt_O> that may work but it is pretty inconvenient..
[20:13:05] <djlewis> yeah
[20:13:25] <Matt_O> you will want a router to plug into your cable modem and then your PC and xM plugged into the router
[20:14:20] <damon17> ohkay. i was scared that somehow there maybe a hardware fault with the xM - as i had internet access before using the same method.
[20:14:33] <damon17> it just stopped working all of a sudden.
[20:16:18] <djlewis> some cable modems marry the first device that connects to its ethernet.
[20:16:37] <damon17> lol... :)
[20:17:10] <h1n1> But it can marry second time :P
[20:17:15] <djlewis> here in LR AR with battery backed cable modems, we have to disconnect the cable, power and battery for awhile to get it to marry a new device
[20:17:22] <Matt_O> you will most likely lose your IP address though :)
[20:17:36] <Matt_O> <-- former comcast customer
[20:17:52] <djlewis> he notes
[20:20:24] <djlewis> Matt_O: I hear this a lot round here... "former comcast customer"
[20:20:38] <damon17> on a side note, i tried using this cable - http://goo.gl/WyXCE - to connect from my modem to the xM - and it worked too - for a while.
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[20:23:10] <damon17> has anyone tried it?
[20:23:22] <Matt_O> I don't have an xM yet
[20:24:54] <damon17> hmm
[20:25:26] <_av500_> that a usb cable
[20:26:37] <damon17> yes
[20:26:39] <damon17> a usb cable
[20:26:43] <damon17> B to A
[20:27:57] <_av500_> damon17: to be honest, I fail to understand what your issue is
[20:28:06] <_av500_> 21:52 < damon17 > it works perfectly, i can do all updates
[20:28:07] <damon17> well
[20:28:13] <_av500_> it works perfectly
[20:28:16] <_av500_> you said
[20:28:20] <_av500_> so?
[20:28:24] <damon17> oh dear. you missed the next sentence
[20:28:42] <_av500_> what worked perfectly?
[20:28:43] <damon17> [01:20] <damon17> until i use 'ifconfig usb0' to connect it to my laptop via VNC to view the screen on my Ubuntu Remote Desktop Viewer [01:20] <damon17> it just stops working after this...no net access
[20:28:44] <_av500_> networking?
[20:28:48] <damon17> yes
[20:29:01] <_av500_> if networking worked perfectly, there is no need to do ifconfig
[20:29:41] <damon17> i use ifconfig to assign an ip address to the xM, so that i can access it from my ubuntu machine's remote desktop viewer
[20:29:54] <_av500_> but it had an ip before, no?
[20:30:20] <damon17> yes, but itz random everytime - and i dont know how to find out the originial random ip
[20:30:32] <woglinde> o.O
[20:30:39] <_av500_> no dhcp server in the house?
[20:30:47] <_av500_> where does the laptop get the ip from?
[20:30:47] <woglinde> when you dont give it a hard mac
[20:30:51] <woglinde> it will random
[20:31:32] <woglinde> re av500 btw.
[20:31:46] <damon17> woglinde: okay, how do i give it a hard mac?
[20:31:57] <damon17> av500: no dhcp
[20:31:58] <_av500_> damon17: no dhcp?
[20:32:01] <_av500_> why not?
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[20:33:42] <damon17> av500: can we rather discuss the issue at hand? okay, forget the ip address part. let's say i have a brand new image installed on the xM. then there shouldn't be any problems right?
[20:36:38] <H1N1_> damon:- if u use Ubuntu on BB-xm ,just type sudo modprobe g_ether .it will start working.......
[20:36:50] <H1N1_> but on Angstrom "NO idea"
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[20:37:26] <Matt_O> damon17, lol
[20:38:08] <H1N1_> me too stuck on Angstrom .i m trying to excess internet on USB port but i m facing problem too...
[20:38:24] <damon17> H1N1: so that's with the B to A cable right?
[20:38:37] <damon17> Matt_O: ? the no dhcp part?
[20:38:44] <_av500_> damon17: what has usb a to b to do with networking?
[20:38:48] * _av500_ is puzzled
[20:38:55] <Matt_O> damon17, the "stop focusing on something that doesn't matter and let's get back to what's important.. my issue!" :)
[20:39:29] <Matt_O> maybe when my xM arrives I will understand what the issue is
[20:39:44] <Matt_O> but it seems to me that if you are able to type "ifconfig" then your networking already works and you already know the IP address
[20:40:26] <damon17> Matt_O: :) ...sorry if that sounded rude, but the thing is: after having worked on the xM for about 3 to 4 months, and having run image processing applications (painstakingly, i might add), facing problems such as ethernet is kinda making me mad.. :)
[20:41:26] <damon17> av500: my cable modem has a usb B slot in it, which i connected to the 1 of the 4 usb ports on the xM, just out of curiosity (and lack of other options, of course). it actually worked.
[20:41:36] <_av500_> ah
[20:41:49] <H1N1_> chill guys ...
[20:42:00] <_av500_> shows up as a usb ehternet device or so
[20:42:04] <H1N1_> i have this cable:- http://www.google.co.in/imgres?imgurl=http://img.nobodybuy.com/2010/01/07/sales29118/0x0_p285432/mini-usb-cable.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.nobodybuy.com/product_desc/pid285432/mini-usb-cable.htm&usg=__QN-gtmjcYUGAvYt3abryepgZU3s=&h=500&w=500&sz=13&hl=en&start=0&sig2=Zs44vnbk7SZCOYe36EzYbw&zoom=1&tbnid=fwAOZ2C6leqFNM:&tbnh=163&tbnw=225&ei=10SvTe7WEMLprQfshtX2CQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3D2c/26awg%2Busb%2Bcable%26um%3D1%26hl%3
[20:43:01] <H1N1_> USB cable......
[20:44:20] <damon17> av500: exactly...as the ethernet port is also connected via usb chipset..it kinda makes sense...
[20:44:29] <H1N1_> its working on Ubuntu perfectly but on Angstrom getting problem....]
[20:45:17] <damon17> Matt_O: agreed...my networking 'did' work...it has stopped now.
[20:45:29] <Matt_O> oh I see
[20:47:41] <H1N1_> damon: r u using B to A usb cable??
[20:47:49] <damon17> Matt_O: which rev do you use?
[20:48:02] <damon17> H1N1: yes.
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[20:50:17] <H1N1_> me too. i m trying to get internet on USB port ..
[20:50:26] <H1N1_> wat r u getting error??
[20:51:01] <damon17> well, the networking just died.
[20:51:14] <damon17> i was able to run opkg perfectly before, but now it has stopped.
[20:51:43] <Matt_O> damon17, I don't have a beaglebroad, my frenid
[20:51:48] <Matt_O> I will have one soon
[20:52:14] <H1N1_> i m getting "Unreachable host......" when i m trying opkg
[20:52:17] <damon17> Matt_O: okay. what is your area of work? :)
[20:52:25] <Matt_O> damon17, software developer
[20:52:31] <damon17> H1N1: same error. :)
[20:53:12] <damon17> Matt_O: okay. i'm an undergrad student in instrumentation and control, and i'm using the xM for a major project.
[20:53:21] <djlewis> a ethernet port plugged into a good switch plugged into a good router/modem should work fine
[20:54:11] * djlewis is opposed to ethernet over usb, just cause :)
[20:54:41] <H1N1_> but its working on Ubuntu image perfectly with same method, same hardware ,same BB-xm,same cable ................in same room.......
[20:55:28] <damon17> djlewis: thanks. looks like i'll be trying out the same asap. just as a separate qn, if i were to use a crossed ethernet cable directly from the modem to the xM, as discussed earlier here, would it work?
[20:55:48] <djlewis> no, that is for pc tp pc
[20:56:07] <djlewis> s/tp/to
[20:56:18] <damon17> djlewis: okay, thanks. that's out of the to-do list then. :)
[20:56:28] <damon17> s/tp/to? sorry, couldn't get you. :)
[20:56:36] <damon17> ouch
[20:56:37] <damon17> my bad
[20:56:38] <damon17> okay
[20:56:40] <damon17> :)
[20:56:42] <damon17> got it
[20:57:58] <Matt_O> damon17, oh yeah, you're the guy who was here at 4 AM screaming at people for answers :) I got a good laugh
[20:58:12] <Matt_O> mainly because I remember my college days
[20:59:51] <damon17> at 4 am? that's too much for me too! this is only my 2nd time on beagle chat, and the first was yesterday!
[20:59:57] <damon17> yeah college days are crazy
[21:00:05] <Matt_O> oh maybe it was somoene else then
[21:00:10] <Matt_O> with a similar story
[21:00:14] <_av500_> Matt_O: there always are :)
[21:00:23] <djlewis> Matt_O: 4am where?
[21:00:32] <Matt_O> in EU somewhere I assume
[21:00:38] <Matt_O> since it was afternoon in the USA
[21:00:43] <Matt_O> or... night?
[21:00:45] <Matt_O> I can't remember now
[21:00:56] <Matt_O> let's put it this way, it was not 4 AM where I was :)
[21:01:08] <damon17> i'm a lil more to the east....india!
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[21:01:17] <Matt_O> but he was using about ten ???'s for each question :)
[21:01:29] <Matt_O> damon17, what time is it there?
[21:01:34] <djlewis> the period stream dude?
[21:01:35] <damon17> 2 30 am
[21:01:40] <Matt_O> !!
[21:01:51] <Matt_O> it's 3:00 PM here
[21:02:00] <damon17> :)
[21:02:20] <Matt_O> I thought all time zones were offset by hours.. didn't know they had half's.. I learn s0omething new every day
[21:02:36] <_av500_> yes they have
[21:02:45] <H1N1_> damon: r u from india? so can u play cricket??
[21:02:50] <Matt_O> _av500_, you mean.. yes, they half? haha
[21:02:56] * Matt_O wipes tears from eyes
[21:03:05] <H1N1_> damon: SAChin GOD of cricket
[21:03:17] <Matt_O> H1N1_, also from india?
[21:03:21] <damon17> no i play soccer.
[21:03:36] <H1N1_> no
[21:04:29] <H1N1_> damon:-r u doing MS ??
[21:05:19] <damon17> nope. B Tech. Might go for an MS some day. :)
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[21:06:49] <H1N1_> in which field??
[21:07:22] <H1N1_> Matt_0: no
[21:07:23] <damon17> H1N1: not sure. comm with dsp maybe.
[21:08:15] <damon17> Matt_O: can i ask you a couple of questions about cross compiling?
[21:08:38] <Matt_O> damon17, that is not my area of expertise unfortunately
[21:08:56] <damon17> Matt_O: okay.
[21:09:04] <Matt_O> meaning to say, I've never done it manually, always used some other person's toolchain to do it
[21:09:04] <H1N1_> amon:- comm->communication ??
[21:09:33] <damon17> H1N1: yes. though image processing is the dream area for me.
[21:09:55] <Matt_O> image processing... what does that entail exactly?
[21:09:58] <Matt_O> can you give examples
[21:12:14] <damon17> Matt_O: well, i've just began messing around with image processing, and am looking to work maybe in the field of computer vision
[21:12:45] <Matt_O> image processing as in... jpeg decompression for example? or is that not it
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[21:15:03] <damon17> well, i havent learnt much about it. at present just along the lines on detecting stuff and giving simple outputs based on it.
[21:15:25] <_av500_> Matt_O: thats not it
[21:15:48] * djlewis sees computer vision as taking video data, analysing for some perticular action
[21:15:58] <_av500_> indeed
[21:16:05] <_av500_> detect human
[21:16:07] <_av500_> shoot
[21:16:14] <_av500_> thats what the robotz want
[21:16:19] <djlewis> good one
[21:16:59] <damon17> :)
[21:17:28] <Matt_O> I see
[21:17:31] <damon17> that would make counter strike on the kinect simple awesome!
[21:17:35] <damon17> simply*
[21:17:37] <Matt_O> so like n atural language processing except for vision
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[21:18:37] <H1N1_> one of my friends is in uppen ,MS in robotics , in GRASP group .he is doing same things "computer vision ,robot,image processing......"
[21:18:43] <djlewis> computer vision is used actively in manufacturing
[21:19:24] <damon17> yep. it is very useful in finding and removing defective pieces from the line.
[21:20:56] <Ceriand|work> cool example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHuDvVa7mkw
[21:22:10] <damon17> that is fast!
[21:22:24] <H1N1_> i want to go for MS in any califonia university. i m also thinking to go in DSP field . any suggestion ?????????
[21:22:58] <woglinde> h1n1?
[21:23:02] <woglinde> do what you want
[21:23:28] <H1N1_> woglinde:i m asking to damon......
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[21:24:34] <damon17> H1N1: you might want to look into SDSU. pretty decent. and then there's the UCSBs the UCSDs. :)
[21:25:10] <Ceriand|work> UCD has a pretty good EE and CS program
[21:25:52] <H1N1_> wat abt job market in california??
[21:26:14] <woglinde> ucd?
[21:26:20] <Ceriand|work> UC Davis
[21:26:38] <damon17> agreed.
[21:26:57] * Ceriand|work is UCD alum
[21:27:39] <damon17> Ceriand|work: that's nice! what did you major in?
[21:27:43] <Ceriand|work> EE
[21:27:57] <H1N1_> communication or DSP or what??
[21:28:22] <Ceriand|work> I did digital systems, device physics, and a little analog
[21:28:25] <_av500_> cooms here
[21:28:27] <_av500_> comms
[21:28:48] <damon17> okay
[21:28:49] <H1N1_> av500: from which university?
[21:28:56] <Ceriand|work> I took a class on CV that was interesting
[21:29:09] <_av500_> H1N1_: darmstadt, germany :)
[21:29:23] <Ceriand|work> we used ITK and not OpenCV though
[21:29:40] <woglinde> ceriand booo
[21:30:05] <damon17> Ceriand|work: nice. i want to do a small implementation of CV on the xM, but having opencv probs.
[21:30:07] <damon17> oh okay
[21:30:20] <damon17> i've heard that ITK is faster and better. true, that?
[21:30:43] <Ceriand|work> I haven't really used OCV, so I wouldn't know
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[21:31:55] <damon17> okay
[21:32:07] <damon17> does ITK run on the beagleboard?
[21:32:42] <H1N1_> hey anyone from USA,who can tell me abt DSP job market in california or TExas ??? n
[21:32:52] <Ceriand|work> it's just a C++ lib, I'm sure you could get it to run
[21:33:56] <damon17> Ceriand|work: okay. nice...will give it a shot some time.
[21:33:58] <Ceriand|work> H1N1_: Texas and S. Cal would probably be ok
[21:35:05] <Ceriand|work> though most of the southern cal job would probably be defense, so if you're not a US citizen it might be tricky
[21:36:00] <H1N1_> what abt san diego??
[21:36:43] <Ceriand|work> dunno, dsp isn't really my field
[21:36:51] <H1N1_> k
[21:36:52] <Ceriand|work> and I live in northern cali
[21:41:15] <H1N1_> in san jose??
[21:43:30] <Ceriand|work> near sacramento
[21:46:49] <damon17> djlewis: have you run video processing programs using opencv on the beagleboard?
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[21:48:47] <djlewis> damon17: yes
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[21:50:05] <damon17> okay. on running a program, say for example facedetect on a usb cam, we can view it real time in a different window right?
[21:50:21] <H1N1_> djlewis: using angstrom or Ubuntu or sakoman?
[21:50:32] <djlewis> I have not run that particular prog, but that is possible.
[21:50:46] <damon17> angstrom. i yet have to install opencv on sakoman.
[21:51:00] <damon17> ohkay, what kind of programs have you tried then?
[21:51:24] <djlewis> I probably played with htat one too. it has been a couple years now
[21:51:57] <djlewis> trying to remember my fav sample that does that... stby
[21:52:09] <muriani> damn, I still haven't tried sakoman's image
[21:52:26] <muriani> I put it on the new SD, but never had a chance to hook it up and play around after that
[21:52:29] <djlewis> muriani: well get on the ball dude :)
[21:52:39] <muriani> probably should get the latest one
[21:52:58] <muriani> my beagle's not even at work anymore.. got to busy at the office to play with it.
[21:53:10] <muriani> And I don't really get much time at home to mess with it either
[21:53:30] <muriani> Maybe if I get this new job, I'll be able to have a little more fun with stuff
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[21:56:40] <djlewis> damon17: camshiftdemo.c is my dafault test program
[21:56:51] <djlewis> it is in the samples folder
[21:56:58] <djlewis> err directory
[21:57:45] <damon17> ohkay. yeah. i've tested that on my laptop, but not on the beagleboard yet.
[21:58:26] <damon17> does it run fast enough on the beagleboard?
[21:58:34] <H1N1_> djlewis:- i don't think that opencv works on SAKOMAN
[21:59:16] <djlewis> H1N1_: well, you gotta convince my BB revC2 of that
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[21:59:38] <damon17> djlewis: r12 or r13?
[21:59:44] <djlewis> r12
[21:59:59] <djlewis> the latest may need some catch up time
[22:00:09] <damon17> ok
[22:00:26] <H1N1_> i m using r13
[22:00:33] <djlewis> so there ya go then
[22:00:54] <djlewis> H1N1_: is burning new trails
[22:01:41] <damon17> so the r13 build doesnt have opencv in its online repositories, ehh
[22:01:48] <djlewis> I dunno...
[22:01:53] <djlewis> ask sakoman
[22:02:11] <damon17> ok
[22:02:18] <djlewis> H1N1_: could opkg list it
[22:03:43] <djlewis> damon17: the sample I listed is an object tracking app.
[22:04:01] <djlewis> long time ago I tried almost every sample in the directory
[22:06:05] <H1N1_> djlewis: i will try...
[22:06:20] <H1N1_> again
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[22:09:00] <djlewis> H1N1_: opkg update -then- opkg list opencv*
[22:09:20] <Matt_O> kinda like apt-get and dpkg, eh?
[22:09:43] <djlewis> yeah, kinda :)
[22:10:00] <djlewis> by itself gives options
[22:10:23] <woglinde> Matt_O right
[22:10:42] <djlewis> Matt_O: is going to be soooo ready when hie XM arrives ;)
[22:10:44] <damon17> djlewis: yes. i want to implement the same on the xM.
[22:10:53] <Matt_O> yes!
[22:11:05] <Matt_O> I will be sure to post videos of my project on the xM :)
[22:11:18] <djlewis> oh, sure... like they all say...
[22:11:31] <djlewis> well to be fair, _av500_ does post images of his boards ;)
[22:11:51] <Matt_O> hey I've posted quite a few videos already
[22:11:53] <_av500_> yeah
[22:11:58] <Matt_O> they are using a PC though, not an xM
[22:12:06] <damon17> Matt_O: you're going to have a LOT of benefit having been around here any watching everyone scream their problems out.. :)
[22:12:17] <Matt_O> damon17, why do you think I am here? :)
[22:12:30] <Matt_O> well initially I came to see if the xM could do what my PC currently does
[22:12:35] <Matt_O> since I don't want to use the PC in the final product
[22:12:43] <_av500_> being?
[22:12:48] <damon17> where do all of you post your stuff? i have started a blog to track my progress...though it's stuck at 1 post as of now... ;)
[22:12:53] <Matt_O> and av500 promised on his ancestors' grave that it would... :) j/k
[22:13:09] <_av500_> i promised nothing
[22:13:12] <Matt_O> av500, jpeg decoding images 720x240 at 60 fps if you'll recall
[22:13:14] <Matt_O> I know :)
[22:13:18] <_av500_> ah
[22:13:21] <_av500_> the laserman
[22:13:27] <Matt_O> yep
[22:13:52] <Matt_O> damon17, I have a blogspot account
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[22:14:41] <damon17> Matt_O: could i have the link?
[22:15:01] <Matt_O> http://my-cool-projects.blogspot.com/2011/03/video-now-playing-at-full-speed.html <-- what you see in this video is what I want the beagleboard to do (the PC currently does it)
[22:15:07] <_av500_> djlewis: im off to bed, you round em up and corral em in
[22:15:22] <Matt_O> note my arcade game cabinet in the background ;)
[22:16:12] <damon17> ;)
[22:16:17] <woglinde> nite av500
[22:17:27] <djlewis> _av500_: gn
[22:18:50] <djlewis> Matt_O: convert your SSE2 code to NEON and/or DSP
[22:19:09] <Matt_O> djlewis, yeah... that's one option.. hoping to find a faster way :)
[22:19:16] <Matt_O> since my SSE2 code sucks :)
[22:19:50] * djlewis loves the breadboards and blinky led's
[22:19:58] <Matt_O> I spent so long on it... and when I finished... *face palm* 64-bit shifts, ands, and ors are pretty slow on SSE2 for some crappy reason
[22:20:04] <Matt_O> I assumed they would be fast so I used them a lot
[22:20:18] <Matt_O> djlewis, yes! :)
[22:20:54] <woglinde> Matt_O wrong processor?
[22:21:13] <Matt_O> woglinde, I tried on a core2 duo and an AMD64
[22:21:21] <djlewis> Matt_O: looks like bad tv reception ;)
[22:21:28] <Matt_O> used intel's tools to find bottlenecks
[22:21:35] <Matt_O> (forgot what their tools are called, integrates with visual studio)
[22:21:45] <Matt_O> djlewis, needs new capacitors
[22:21:49] <woglinde> Matt_O there are serval
[22:22:22] <Matt_O> this particular one went down to the insruction level and showed performance problems.. cycles used, etc..
[22:22:38] <Matt_O> I tried my best to optimize it but... it ended up not being much faster than the C code which made me very discouraged
[22:22:50] <Matt_O> I was expecting to get 2X performance for free just by hand crafting it :)
[22:22:57] <woglinde> hm
[22:23:20] <Matt_O> so... there may a chance that I will be going through that again for ARM :)
[22:23:27] <Matt_O> unless the stuff in ffmpeg is good enough
[22:23:31] <Matt_O> (I've heard good things)
[22:23:35] <woglinde> its good enough
[22:23:41] <woglinde> mru handcrafted it
[22:23:46] <Matt_O> cool
[22:24:07] * inx (~inx@109.58.28.56.bredband.tre.se) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[22:24:15] <Matt_O> then no reason to reinvent the wheel
[22:24:17] <woglinde> for arm neon
[22:27:25] <damon17> this talk of neon and ffmpeg and stuff makes me ask: is it possible to improve OpenCV performance using the DSP core?
[22:27:37] <_av500_> sure
[22:28:14] <damon17> i have read that only a few basic functions have been optimized for DSP
[22:28:17] * _av500_ is sleep typing
[22:28:26] <_av500_> damon17: then do more
[22:28:34] <Matt_O> hehe.. yes damon.. now is your chance
[22:28:50] <damon17> :)
[22:28:53] <djlewis> _av500_: i was wondering bout how we got input from you :)
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[22:29:23] <damon17> i so wish i'd been into CE or knew more about programming and embedded and things like that
[22:29:29] <djlewis> yeah, they just barely touched the surface of opencv acceleration
[22:29:48] <Matt_O> damon17, you can ask me general programming questions if you want
[22:29:53] <Matt_O> (just not cross-compiling)
[22:30:09] <damon17> plus, i've just recently started using Linux, so it's kinda taking me time to get used to the whole thing
[22:30:27] <Matt_O> damon17, oh.. yeah.. plenty to learn, too much for any one person
[22:30:32] <Matt_O> so you need to focus on specific areas
[22:30:56] <djlewis> i been using linux since early 90's and i'm not used to it yet.
[22:31:23] <woglinde> damon17 gsoc2010 had a project for opencv-dsp
[22:31:35] <woglinde> recipe is in oe
[22:31:51] <damon17> Matt_O: ohkay. will do for sure as and when i come across some. so far i've only been cross compiling my opencv programs for img processing - works well and fine - going to startt on-board compiling to kill the gtk errors
[22:31:52] <woglinde> time to go to bed now
[22:31:59] <woglinde> good nite
[22:32:05] <Matt_O> woglinde, g'night
[22:32:05] <damon17> woglinde: yes, i did come across that.
[22:32:12] <damon17> gnight.
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[22:32:50] <woglinde> damon17 you could make an oe recipe too
[22:32:58] <woglinde> so you would have an ipk in the end
[22:33:13] <woglinde> last hint for today
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[22:33:57] <damon17> thanks, but i have no idea what you just talked about. :( anyone help?
[22:34:41] <damon17> the oe recipe? ipk?
[22:35:24] <djlewis> Open Embedded
[22:35:26] <Matt_O> damon17, just go slow and be patient.. lots of new stuff here
[22:35:34] <Matt_O> most of the stuff guys talk about around here I have no clue about
[22:35:47] <djlewis> and you think they do hehee
[22:37:30] * djlewis dodges the bullets, knifes, sabers, pointed objects, fire, etc :)
[22:37:38] <damon17> yep. slow and one thing at a time.
[22:38:03] <damon17> btw, do angstrom images have the gtk environment running by default?
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[22:38:26] <djlewis> not necessarily
[22:38:39] <damon17> ahh
[22:38:50] <damon17> that's where my problem lies
[22:38:50] <Matt_O> I'm eager to get my hands on this angstrom stuff
[22:38:56] <Matt_O> see how it differs from ubuntu
[22:39:08] <damon17> i have a question djlewis.
[22:39:54] <damon17> my angstrom boots up well and fine, i can also browse through the rootfs windows. the weird part is, when i try opening any application or opening any image, nothing what so ever happens.
[22:40:04] <damon17> abiword for example.
[22:40:12] <damon17> any jpeg file for example
[22:40:40] <djlewis> damon17: Angstrom or sakomans
[22:40:45] <damon17> so far i've been doing my img processing by saving the output image to a new file, and seeing it in thumbnail preview...
[22:40:48] <damon17> angstrom.
[22:41:23] * djlewis does not use "proper" Angstrom :)
[22:41:58] <damon17> yes. i do know that. sakoman ehh. trying to get opencv running on it for the very purpose. :)
[22:42:45] <damon17> if sakoman+opencv starts working well, i'm going to be in 7th heaven!
[22:42:51] <djlewis> It makes me work too hard getting things to work so i use sakoman's
[22:43:32] <djlewis> sakoman+opencv works well for me
[22:43:49] <djlewis> can't speak for r13
[22:44:16] <damon17> exactly. angstrom, while fast and good, lacks a few basic things. plus, i don't like the enlightenment environment on some of them. :)
[22:46:19] <damon17> well, g'night for now folks. thanks for all the help and info. :)
[22:46:38] <damon17> though i guess i should say g'morning...it's 4 15 am here... ;)
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[22:49:21] <djlewis> later..
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[22:54:49] <djlewis> i feel so all alone :'(
[22:56:09] * wmat RMAs his XM
[22:56:21] <Matt_O> !!!!!
[22:56:49] <wmat> no time to mess around with it, so RMAing will be faster
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[22:59:16] <djlewis> heading home, later ...
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[23:00:13] <H1N1_> hey r u doing compiling opencv on board ??(on SAKOMAN)
[23:02:42] <H1N1_> anyone using opencv on SAKOMAN?
[23:04:21] <H1N1_> anyone using opencv on SAKOMAN?
[23:04:49] <Matt_O> what?
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[23:07:44] <H1N1_> hav u used SAkoman?
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[23:24:08] <ds2> hmmmmm
[23:27:55] <ds2> camelCase
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[23:57:07] <ds2> wtf
[23:57:37] <ds2> patches usually have descriptions!
[23:58:26] <prpplague> ds2: you've been bad, no descriptions for you
[23:58:57] <ds2> prpplague: several patches from Jason lack descriptions
[23:59:34] <prpplague> ds2: you ever mess around with any of the VHDL simulators under linux?

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