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IRC Log for 2011-05-31

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  1. [00:18:19] <_bruce> anyone her with a bbxm? if so, what do you get for your bogomips? (/proc/cpuinfo)
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  3. [00:34:02] <alex321> hey all
  4. [00:34:26] <alex321> i'm looking for some help with video issues... anyone up for a chat?
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  9. [00:48:55] <AngryParsley> _bruce: BogoMIPS : 989.44
  10. [00:49:20] <AngryParsley> that's with cpufreq-set -g performance
  11. [00:49:31] <AngryParsley> ondemand is usually 300ish
  12. [00:50:03] <_bruce> hmm. mine is at 850
  13. [00:50:22] <AngryParsley> what does cpufreq-info say?
  14. [00:50:38] <_bruce> i did not install cpufreq-info (i amusing angstrom)
  15. [00:50:39] <AngryParsley> also are you running ubuntu? ubuntu caps the CPU at 800mhz
  16. [00:50:42] <AngryParsley> k
  17. [00:50:55] <_bruce> with ubuntu, iw as at ~ 690
  18. [00:51:04] <_bruce> are you using angstrom?
  19. [00:51:10] <AngryParsley> does cat /proc/cmdline have an mpurate param?
  20. [00:51:20] <_bruce> mpurate=auto
  21. [00:51:26] <AngryParsley> mpurate=1000
  22. [00:51:27] <AngryParsley> ^^ mine
  23. [00:51:43] <_bruce> where do you set the mpurate? i know there is a boot.cmd that has i
  24. [00:51:43] <_bruce> t
  25. [00:52:22] <AngryParsley> honestly I forget. I'd have to look up how to regenerate boot args
  26. [00:52:28] <AngryParsley> you should install cpufrequtils though
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  28. [00:53:46] <_bruce> yea, i forgot to pick it from the angstrom package maker. i was thinking of just needing a compiler toolchian + screen + vim + gdb + ssh
  29. [00:56:08] <AngryParsley> just opkg install cpufrequtils
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  31. [01:04:16] <_bruce> yea, i will do so when i get internet on this box
  32. [01:05:07] <_bruce> vim on angstrom is also broken ;\ .. missing syntax.vim
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  34. [01:08:29] <AngryParsley> man pages on angstrom are broken for me
  35. [01:08:51] <AngryParsley> have been for months
  36. [01:12:30] <_bruce> amazing, theygot a package called vim-syntax for the syntax.vim file
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  43. [01:42:34] * _bruce sighs
  44. [01:42:40] <_bruce> cc -g -march=armv7-a -mcpu=cortex-a8 -mthumb test.c -o test
  45. [01:42:40] <_bruce> test.c:1: warning: switch -mcpu=cortex-a8 conflicts with -march= switch
  46. [01:42:48] <_bruce> -march=name
  47. [01:42:48] <_bruce> This specifies the name of the target ARM architecture. GCC uses this name to determine what kind of instructions it can emit when generating assembly code. This option can be used in conjunction with or instead of the -mcpu= option
  48. [01:43:03] <_bruce> how can they conflict ;[
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  97. [05:53:36] <hitlin37_> http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/30/robot-ruby-solves-rubiks-cube-in-10-69-seconds-still-cant-bea/
  98. [05:53:40] <hitlin37_> the second one
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  107. [06:26:36] <rick__> hi all, is there any tool to dump registers of dm3730 under linux?
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  109. [06:31:55] <hitlin37_> gdb/
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  132. [07:59:16] <av500> koen: http://git.insignal.co.kr/?p=linux-2.6-insignal-dev.git;a=history;f=Makefile;h=ababe9b948d294a3a3322ef5304a2b28d2a864ed;hb=HEAD
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  136. [08:03:55] <koen> ah, the religious board
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  138. [08:04:16] <av500> yes
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  140. [08:04:40] <av500> usually they religious people have a longer history though...
  141. [08:05:17] <saurabh_> how to display text or rss feed on beagleboard?
  142. [08:05:31] <woglinde> o.O
  143. [08:05:34] <av500> printf?
  144. [08:05:36] <woglinde> the next candidate
  145. [08:05:46] <av500> or putpixel()
  146. [08:05:57] <woglinde> connect a lcd display?
  147. [08:06:01] <saurabh_> now, I receive a text message as a rss feed
  148. [08:06:05] <av500> dont use XOR or you get sued
  149. [08:06:39] <saurabh_> ok
  150. [08:07:12] <woglinde> av500 he could you use the led's for morse code
  151. [08:07:48] <av500> saurabh_: ask a better question
  152. [08:07:57] <woglinde> hm wrong apostroph again
  153. [08:09:01] <saurabh_> ok man i will try
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  161. [08:26:23] <saurabh_> I want to make "rss reader"
  162. [08:27:34] <av500> yes, and?
  163. [08:27:54] <saurabh_> web page display
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  167. [08:30:42] <koen> so fire up a webbrowser pointing to google reader
  168. [08:30:56] <koen> (or plain google for that matter)
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  173. [08:36:49] <JLaurin> is the c6run recommended for dsp development on the BB? (using angstrom)
  174. [08:38:51] <av500> wow, animated gif: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/images/5/51/C6RunApp.gif
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  176. [08:39:50] <av500> JLaurin: depends on what you want to do
  177. [08:39:58] <av500> don't say "write to /dev/dsp"
  178. [08:40:22] <JLaurin> :D
  179. [08:40:48] <av500> wtf do I need a login to read c6run ML archives?
  180. [08:40:52] <av500> koen: ^^^^^^^
  181. [08:41:47] <JLaurin> I'm still quite lost of what extra additional SW i need for developing audio applications
  182. [08:41:58] <av500> JLaurin: none
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  184. [08:43:11] <JLaurin> what's all the talk about ti-dsplink... c6run etc? I guess the dsplink is allready integrated into angstrom? (I see it in /dev/dsplink)
  185. [08:43:39] <av500> yes
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  187. [08:43:51] <av500> but you dont need any of them to "develop audio"
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  189. [08:44:28] <JLaurin> so if i for example want to do a real-time application for audio recording, it's just good to go?
  190. [08:44:37] <av500> sure
  191. [08:45:00] <JLaurin> cool, finally some clarification!
  192. [08:45:03] * av500 wonders what is so "real time" about audio recording
  193. [08:45:25] * woglinde too
  194. [08:45:39] <woglinde> hm this hanna movie is intressting
  195. [08:45:56] <av500> you have a backup?
  196. [08:45:59] <JLaurin> hmm propably nothing, but let us put it this way, you want to full duplex the audio with parallell in-out streaming
  197. [08:46:09] <av500> sure
  198. [08:46:10] <woglinde> av500 this day feels like friday
  199. [08:46:11] <av500> and?
  200. [08:46:17] <woglinde> rss feeader
  201. [08:46:20] <woglinde> realtime audio
  202. [08:46:22] <av500> JLaurin: what is the issue with that?
  203. [08:46:33] <woglinde> I wonder what not realtime audio is
  204. [08:46:42] <av500> do you need a 16sample latency between in and out?
  205. [08:47:13] <JLaurin> as small latency as possible, it's going to be used in telecommunications
  206. [08:47:32] <av500> that was not my question
  207. [08:47:47] <woglinde> hm micro -> dsp -> disk and speakers?
  208. [08:47:55] <av500> dsp?
  209. [08:48:04] <av500> why dsp ffs?
  210. [08:48:11] <woglinde> dont know
  211. [08:48:18] <woglinde> he talks about dsp all the time
  212. [08:48:31] <JLaurin> av500: what options are there instead of using dsp then?
  213. [08:48:33] <woglinde> maybee he want to sample something
  214. [08:48:35] <woglinde> or filter
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  216. [08:48:51] <JLaurin> I still need to manipulate the sound (Amplify etc)
  217. [08:48:55] <woglinde> or maybee he dont know gstreamer framework
  218. [08:49:16] <hitlin37> or neon too
  219. [08:49:27] <woglinde> gm hitlin
  220. [08:49:30] <av500> JLaurin: float s2 = s1 * 1.5;
  221. [08:49:36] <av500> there, amplified
  222. [08:49:39] <hitlin37> gm woglinde
  223. [08:50:21] <av500> or float s2 = s1 * 5.4; // to the max!
  224. [08:50:29] <woglinde> av500 is the dsp faster at mul?
  225. [08:50:39] <av500> depends
  226. [08:51:14] <koen> for fixed-point, yes
  227. [08:51:19] <JLaurin> i just need to ask, what filedescriptors do i need to read and write to? (In my yesterdays example the filedescrpitor was pointed to dev/dsp)
  228. [08:51:24] <av500> JLaurin: you are again just wasting our time, please make up your mind about what you want to do, then do some research
  229. [08:51:24] <hitlin37> neon i find easier to implement.....
  230. [08:51:50] <woglinde> av500 please use gstreamer
  231. [08:51:52] <woglinde> ups
  232. [08:51:52] <woglinde> args
  233. [08:51:53] <woglinde> lol
  234. [08:52:06] <av500> moi? you want to kill me?
  235. [08:52:07] <woglinde> JLaurin please take a look at gstreamer
  236. [08:52:24] <woglinde> but you can invent the wheel again
  237. [08:52:28] <woglinde> no prob
  238. [08:52:35] <woglinde> but I would fire you for it
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  240. [08:53:36] <JLaurin> ok thanks, i'll take a look at those
  241. [08:53:53] * koen is going to port aplay to beagleboardc5
  242. [08:54:05] <woglinde> koen uhm
  243. [08:54:15] <av500> are you going to port linux 3.0 to it too?
  244. [08:54:56] <woglinde> no
  245. [08:54:59] <woglinde> thats too new
  246. [08:55:06] <JLaurin> clearly my confusion is still the connection to the audio/dsp(or whatever they are called) drivers, from which file descriptor i need to read and write to
  247. [08:55:20] <woglinde> jlaurin why you dont asking something like that
  248. [08:55:32] <av500> JLaurin: there is NO dsp involved
  249. [08:55:42] <av500> as said yesterday, /dev/dsp is a stupid name
  250. [08:55:49] <av500> it should be /dev/audio
  251. [08:55:51] <av500> or /dev/pcm
  252. [08:55:55] <JLaurin> yes i've figured that out
  253. [08:56:10] <av500> so stop talking about dsp
  254. [08:56:14] <JLaurin> but what file descriptor do i need to read and write to instead?
  255. [08:56:26] <av500> if you use OSS then /dev/dsp
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  257. [08:56:30] <woglinde> "Hi guys, I am new to linux, whats the best way or what audio frameworks are the best to manipulate and record sound form a mic at the same time?"
  258. [08:56:32] <av500> if you use alsa, google alsa
  259. [08:56:52] <av500> woglinde: that question is off topic here btw
  260. [08:56:58] <woglinde> sure
  261. [08:57:00] <JLaurin> ok great, thanks :) now you finally understood me
  262. [08:57:01] <av500> "... Discussion about the OMAP3 Beagle Board..."
  263. [08:57:02] <woglinde> add beagleboard
  264. [08:57:20] <woglinde> hm looks like school dont teaches anymore to ask smart questions
  265. [08:57:35] <av500> it did? when?
  266. [08:57:47] <woglinde> hm
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  270. [08:58:56] <JLaurin> It would ease quite alot if there were somekind of coding examples for this kind of application, but googles empty
  271. [08:59:02] <av500> lol
  272. [08:59:07] <woglinde> o.O
  273. [08:59:18] <av500> http://www.google.com/search?q=alsa+example
  274. [08:59:50] <JLaurin> i'd a look at those
  275. [09:00:05] <av500> http://www.google.com/search?q=example+%2Fdev%2Fdsp
  276. [09:00:26] <av500> maybe you googled yesterday when google was turned off
  277. [09:00:29] <JLaurin> yeah sure now when you said that dev/dsp is ok for OSS
  278. [09:00:54] <av500> http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+audio+overview
  279. [09:00:59] <av500> dont tell me google is empty
  280. [09:02:06] <woglinde> hm now I know why I studied, I learned how to research about topics
  281. [09:02:10] <dm8tbr> sorry, I googled it out for today, you'll have to wait for the google-dwarfs to refill the search engine
  282. [09:02:21] <woglinde> insert coin here
  283. [09:02:26] <av500> 2??
  284. [09:02:27] <woglinde> google would be more rich
  285. [09:02:40] <woglinde> damn I should patent it
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  287. [09:04:56] <JLaurin> av500: Why did you totally reject dev/dsp yesterday? And today you tell me that it's ok for OSS? Why don't just tell me about OSS instead?
  288. [09:05:07] <av500> I did not reject anything
  289. [09:05:21] <av500> I told you 5 times that /dev/dsp and dsp have nothing to do with each other
  290. [09:05:31] <av500> and its not even OSS, its the alsa OSS emulation
  291. [09:05:37] <av500> read the logs
  292. [09:05:42] <av500> it was all mentioned
  293. [09:06:08] <woglinde> jlaurin did you tought all devices have a dsp?
  294. [09:06:21] <av500> woglinde: ffs, stop mentioning dsp :)
  295. [09:06:57] <JLaurin> i know that a DSP is the digital signal processing unit and the dev/dsp acts as the soundcard driver
  296. [09:07:11] <av500> indeed
  297. [09:07:19] <JLaurin> and i guess that the dsplink is for communication between ARM and the DSP(?!)
  298. [09:07:27] <av500> yep
  299. [09:07:36] <av500> but now please go and google linux audio
  300. [09:09:46] <JLaurin> No need to, i still got a piece of code that makes me the full duplex processing. Just need to get the understanding of which filedescriptors i need to read and write to (as you stated: dev/dsp ok for OSS)
  301. [09:10:05] <JLaurin> it clarified alot
  302. [09:10:56] <koen> stupid gitorious is even too overload to delete repositories
  303. [09:11:54] <woglinde> blob history is a total mess on gitrouis
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  305. [09:12:13] <av500> is github better?
  306. [09:12:18] <av500> or as bad?
  307. [09:12:20] <woglinde> in this case yes
  308. [09:12:51] <woglinde> I often hit the cannt display while to much please clone locally on gitourious
  309. [09:13:01] <JLaurin> it is the C->/syscall to correct device driver/->Hardware connection i'm not that good at, but i guess this is the wrong channel to ask about that :) I'll make some more research. Thanks
  310. [09:13:03] <av500> I love "tiny font, grey on grey" https://gforge.ti.com/gf/project/dspeasy/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=1153&start=0
  311. [09:13:10] <woglinde> and from a diff you cannt jump to blob history
  312. [09:13:14] <woglinde> its annoyning
  313. [09:13:43] <av500> I dont think gfork.ti expects anybody to actually use it?
  314. [09:13:53] <woglinde> its dead?
  315. [09:14:08] <av500> no idea
  316. [09:14:08] <woglinde> hm systemd with uclibc today?
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  319. [09:14:53] <av500> https://gforge.ti.com/gf/project/blazetablet/
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  326. [09:44:19] <siji> hi jkridner
  327. [09:44:19] <siji> Am working with matrix in my beagleboard XM
  328. [09:44:19] <siji> And while going through the wiki , am confused with one point that "Matrix GUI uses the graphics display layer. If a launched application also uses the graphics display layer there will be a conflict."
  329. [09:44:20] <siji> Can you pls explain me this point ?
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  333. [09:55:25] <av500> *the* matrix?
  334. [09:55:53] <siji> :)
  335. [09:56:03] <siji> matrix User Interface
  336. [09:56:04] <siji> bt Ti
  337. [09:56:07] <siji> *by
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  339. [09:57:07] <av500> http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Matrix_Users_Guide
  340. [09:57:18] <av500> sjobs: ^^^^^
  341. [09:58:38] <av500> siji: simple, this matrix can only be used to launch console apps
  342. [09:59:06] <siji> oh..
  343. [09:59:29] <av500> well, thats how I read it
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  345. [10:00:06] <siji> av500, in the sample image they mentioned browser too
  346. [10:00:11] <av500> and I would not call it a "GUI" either
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  354. [10:29:59] <speakman> does beagle board use x-loader?
  355. [10:31:02] <woglinde_> yes
  356. [10:31:22] <speakman> and u-boot as the next stage I guess?
  357. [10:31:41] <woglinde_> yes
  358. [10:31:54] <speakman> so - is there any way to rewrite u-boot through x-loader?
  359. [10:31:59] <av500> rewrite?
  360. [10:32:27] <speakman> yes, like if you just flashed a bogus u-boot and the board doesn't boot any longer
  361. [10:32:35] <av500> boot from SD
  362. [10:32:44] <av500> so easy
  363. [10:32:47] <av500> lunch now
  364. [10:32:52] <speakman> x-loader can boot from sd?
  365. [10:32:57] <av500> no
  366. [10:32:59] <av500> omap3 can
  367. [10:33:03] <speakman> oh?
  368. [10:33:16] <speakman> didn't know :D
  369. [10:33:42] <DJWillis> speakman: the OMAP3 boot rom will read X-Loader from NAND or SD (or UART or USB...) so that process is easy enough to fix up ;)
  370. [10:33:58] <speakman> DJWillis: that's _awesome_!!
  371. [10:34:47] <DJWillis> speakman: there is some shell scripts from XorA that make building a bootable SD easy enough. Just have a Google about, very common and very easy fix :). Good luck.
  372. [10:37:26] <speakman> DJWillis: that's the first thing I did, and found some really great documents. Thanks alot! :)
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  376. [10:41:28] <speakman> btw - anyone experimented with u-boot serial console over USB?
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  378. [10:47:50] <av500> DJWillis: hi, whats you doin here?
  379. [10:47:54] <av500> pandora shipping?
  380. [10:48:56] <koen> av500: mobile 1080p camcorder with wifi: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/5780316861/in/photostream
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  383. [10:57:13] <DJWillis> av500: ;-), been shipping for a year or more but not a lot to do with me, been getting back into some OMAP 3 and 4 projects including just getting the OP working in oe-core/meta-oe for my own amusement.
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  390. [11:01:28] <koen> DJWillis: going to host a layer for that somewhere?
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  393. [11:04:07] <DJWillis> koen: https://github.com/openpandora already there ;). Mind you, I need to finish up some work and generate a load of pull requests to push stuff into meta-oe before it is good for much ;)
  394. [11:06:26] <DJWillis> koen: I have been meaning to ask, with oe-core how should the split from meta-oe and meta-angstrom be handled? .bbappend in angstrom for stuff that is layed over generic .bb's in meta-oe?
  395. [11:07:25] <koen> .bbappends in meta-angstrom for angstrom specific tweaks
  396. [11:10:57] <DJWillis> koen: Noted, thanks, that seemed like the right idea. So how is oe-core/meta-oe/meta-angstrom coming along? It looks pretty good just sparce
  397. [11:10:57] <koen> DJWillis: do you want me to include meta-openpandora in the angstrom setup scripts?
  398. [11:12:15] <DJWillis> koen: not yet ;), I have a fork of the setup scripts for that for now, once the images (pandora-core-image and pandora-xfce-image) are buildable that would be awesome to include it.
  399. [11:12:35] <koen> DJWillis: meta-openpandora is just the machine layer
  400. [11:13:38] <koen> DJWillis: so ideally it shouldn't have any recipes outside xload,uboot,kernel and firmware
  401. [11:13:50] <koen> DJWillis: and some bbappends for things like base-files
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  403. [11:14:38] <DJWillis> koen: that is the plan but I need to find a home for the other stuff. I did have meta-openpandora and meta-??? for the other stuff, any ideas on the name?
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  407. [11:15:39] <DJWillis> My plan was meta-openpandora will serve as the BSP (so in with Angstrom etc.) with the other platform custom stuff somewhere else but also tied in.
  408. [11:16:29] <koen> DJWillis: and please don't continue the fuck-upstream way of working the current pandora people do
  409. [11:16:49] <koen> DJWillis: since it give you bugs like wrong layer order
  410. [11:18:10] <DJWillis> koen: I am not trying to fuck anything upstream, that's why I am asking the question regarding the best layout ;). There are about a dozen bits of shit nobody would want upstream that have to live somewhere and some image/task guff ;).
  411. [11:18:40] <koen> DJWillis: so what's https://github.com/openpandora/openpandora-oe-environment about then?
  412. [11:18:56] <koen> that looks suspicously like the angstrom ones
  413. [11:19:01] <koen> but with more bugs
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  415. [11:20:19] <DJWillis> I'll put my hand up on that, I needed somewhere to put some stuff that is not fit for mainline. Pulling in in-progress layers etc.
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  421. [11:26:21] <DJWillis> koen: my aim is (and always was, not that anyone else seems to give a stuff) was to get the OP stuff building from mainline Angstrom/OE with only the minmal cruft sitting outside. That said, as I have little motivation with it comes to OP I can't say I am exactly rushing.
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  457. [13:24:51] <bioster> av500: just before I had to go yesterday, I think you said that pin muxing in the kernel works
  458. [13:25:31] <bioster> av500: I haven't gotten it working myself, and I've run across a number of people online complaining that enabling it in the kernel causes their root fs to stop mounting (which is what is happening to me)
  459. [13:26:02] <av500> so its broken for the beagle
  460. [13:26:33] <bioster> so it *is* broken then?
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  462. [13:30:33] <av500> bioster: if admitting that makes you fix it faster, ok
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  468. [13:44:13] <pictureaday> I'm having trouble power cycling the dsp via the bridgedriver... Who here is knowledgeable in that department?
  469. [13:45:10] <av500> nonody?
  470. [13:45:12] <av500> nobody
  471. [13:48:14] <pictureaday> :(
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  473. [13:50:59] <pictureaday> Well if anyone feels inspired to see the output of dmesg for me -> http://pastebin.com/xi2EbT8H
  474. [13:51:23] <av500> yes, and?
  475. [13:51:38] <av500> ah, timed out
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  477. [13:51:47] <av500> what did you do?
  478. [13:53:25] <pictureaday> It was running some code and then the program terminates, but the dsp doesn't seem to accept the cleanup commands
  479. [13:53:33] <pictureaday> Sometimes it does accept them just fine, but not always
  480. [13:55:20] <av500> running what?
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  484. [13:56:12] <pictureaday> Its running a test program that does matrix multiplication
  485. [13:56:47] <av500> thats too much for the little dsp :)
  486. [13:57:13] <av500> pictureaday: sorry, but dspbridge is only supported if you make a lot of phones and buy a lot of chips
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  488. [13:57:49] <pictureaday> That sounds about right... Have any suggestions?
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  492. [13:59:57] <woglinde> use dsplink
  493. [14:00:01] <av500> yes
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  495. [14:01:53] <pictureaday> Ok thanks
  496. [14:02:33] <av500> what is your end goal?
  497. [14:03:02] <woglinde> .o(opencv again I bet)
  498. [14:03:54] <pictureaday> pretty much...
  499. [14:04:21] <pictureaday> OpenCv for image manipulation
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  504. [14:17:06] <vijay__> Hi, Have received my first customised board with DM3730, now how do i start debugging, any codes available for it?
  505. [14:17:40] <av500> wtf?
  506. [14:18:06] * prpplague is now known as prpplague^2
  507. [14:18:15] <av500> why do you have a "customised board with DM3730" if you have no idea what to do with it?
  508. [14:18:49] <koen> I have rot13 available for it
  509. [14:19:21] <woglinde> hm for debug
  510. [14:19:29] <woglinde> I would say connect jtag?
  511. [14:20:15] <koen> I'd start with serial console
  512. [14:20:41] <av500> koen: yocto!
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  514. [14:21:17] <woglinde> hm depends what you want to debug
  515. [14:21:25] <woglinde> or kgdb serial might be enough
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  517. [14:21:37] <koen> av500: I've started using the printed octopuses and tentacles to mark which boards run what :)
  518. [14:21:58] <av500> woglinde: unlikely that we read any of it
  519. [14:22:10] <koen> woglinde: people with vijay__'s type of questions won't get far with jtag
  520. [14:22:32] <av500> most they know is just h
  521. [14:22:33] <av500> most they know is just j
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  529. [14:37:33] <vijayb> Hi, have received my customised board based on dm3730, how do i start debug? any codea available for the board bring up using ccs4?
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  531. [14:41:44] <av500> [16:18:14] <av500> why do you have a "customised board with DM3730" if you have no idea what to do with it?
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  533. [14:46:37] <vijayb> Im a nebie to dm3730, i have been given this work to bring up customised board... how do i proceed?
  534. [14:47:14] <av500> you find somebody to do it for you
  535. [14:47:56] <vijayb> nope.... the concerned person has quit the job... so finding difficult how to start
  536. [14:50:13] <vijayb> i could power up the board, also was able to connect to ccs4 using usb510 emulator..
  537. [14:50:51] <av500> good
  538. [14:51:03] <av500> you do better than the other guy
  539. [14:51:55] <vijayb> now whats the next step?
  540. [14:52:04] <av500> I dont know
  541. [14:52:10] <av500> what is it supposed to do?
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  543. [14:54:30] <vijayb> i jus need to check whether all the interfaces are fine, such that the software guys can port wince.
  544. [14:55:09] * av500 winces
  545. [14:55:21] <av500> how do you check the interfaces without SW?
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  548. [14:57:10] <vijayb> i assume that it can be checked using ccs4 by writing some test codes for each interface....
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  550. [15:02:34] <Yuva> Dear all
  551. [15:02:50] * av500 braces
  552. [15:03:11] <Yuva> can anyone help me how to interface mouse in beagle board with android?
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  561. [15:09:42] <vijayb> how do i check the interfaces??
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  563. [15:11:20] <av500> send and receive data?
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  566. [15:12:18] <bioster> What exactly do you mean by interfaces? Do you just mean the USB/HDMI/etc ports, or do you mean pins/headers on the board?
  567. [15:14:19] <vijayb> i mean pins/headers on the board as well spi/i2c interfaces,
  568. [15:14:43] <vijayb> send and receive data?? yes some what like that.... testcode for it
  569. [15:15:58] <bioster> Well, in general terms you're going to need some sort of OS installed on the machine, and then run programs from within that OS to send/receive data over the interfaces.
  570. [15:16:12] <av500> maybe linux?
  571. [15:16:13] <bioster> What do you have installed on it now?
  572. [15:16:24] <av500> I heard it was ported to the omap3
  573. [15:18:28] <bioster> vijayb: when I started working with the beagleboard I tried some other OSes, but they didn't work well for me... I ended up using Angstrom Linux. You've probably got a lot of reading to do though.
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  575. [15:19:18] <vijayb> right now nothing is installed, i jus have the board with powered omap, need to know how do i install the os to start send and receive?
  576. [15:20:16] <av500> hello, I just got that large airplane out of the factory, can you tell me how to fly it, please explain all the steps?
  577. [15:20:19] <bioster> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners
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  580. [15:22:14] <joelagnel> heh
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  582. [15:24:52] <vijayb> Hey, my job is to check whether on the hardware side, databus, i2c lines, spi bus etc....
  583. [15:25:01] <av500> yes
  584. [15:25:07] <av500> but that does not work without SW
  585. [15:25:15] <av500> the people doing that here are all SW guys
  586. [15:25:19] <av500> they write test code etc
  587. [15:25:46] <av500> it is naive to assume that one can test HW without SW
  588. [15:25:58] <woglinde> av500 I am trying again to get the uclibc in sync with glibc/eglibc scheduler stuff
  589. [15:25:59] <bioster> av500 is correct... without software your board is just going to sit there doing nothing
  590. [15:26:07] <av500> stuff like usb, wifi etc needs an almost full SW stack
  591. [15:27:11] <vijayb> yeah, that is what i need to know... coz i m a newbie to this, i have knowledge of arm processors, never involved in porting OS
  592. [15:27:26] <woglinde> there is no need to port
  593. [15:27:40] <woglinde> you have android ubuntu and angstroem
  594. [15:27:46] <woglinde> which all based on linux
  595. [15:27:51] <woglinde> and you have win ce
  596. [15:28:05] <woglinde> but that nobody here supports really
  597. [15:28:38] * av500 does not support anything here :)
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  602. [15:33:01] <koen> lyakh: I get Unsupported video format 'SGRBG8'
  603. [15:33:17] <koen> lyakh: with yavta + gitdiff
  604. [15:33:27] <lyakh> koen: from mplayer, perhaps?
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  606. [15:33:28] <av500> what is yalta?
  607. [15:33:45] <beagleboarduser> i have a question regarding my beagleboard xm?
  608. [15:33:58] <lyakh> av500: yalta is a recreation zone on Black See;)
  609. [15:34:09] <lyakh> av500: or did you mean yavta?:)
  610. [15:34:11] <av500> :)
  611. [15:34:53] <av500> Yet Another V4L2 Test Application
  612. [15:35:05] <koen> lyakh: yavta-nc -f SGRBG8 -s 320x240 -n 4 --capture=10000 --skip 3 -F /dev/video2
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  614. [15:35:09] <koen> Unsupported video format 'SGRBG8'
  615. [15:35:19] <koen> lyakh: I'm following http://download.open-technology.de/BeagleBoard_xM-MT9P031/BBxM-MT9P031.txt
  616. [15:35:20] <av500> try -f libcaca
  617. [15:35:41] <beagleboarduser> beagelboard xM is not booting up properly...any help is appreciated
  618. [15:35:51] <av500> follow the instructions
  619. [15:36:01] <lyakh> koen: are you using exactly that commit ID?
  620. [15:36:04] <lyakh> and my patch?
  621. [15:36:11] <beagleboarduser> i already have the sd card all set up.
  622. [15:36:31] <koen> lyakh: 53e3741023874f30f6fb4eaa28e89ee9bd2ce705
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  624. [15:36:45] <lyakh> koen: plus the patch
  625. [15:36:48] <beagleboarduser> it booted properly, but when angstrom froze, i did a hard restart (i.e. pulled the power plug out), and now all it shows is the beagleboard.org image
  626. [15:36:53] <koen> and http://download.open-technology.de/BeagleBoard_xM-MT9P031/yavta.gitdiff
  627. [15:37:10] <lyakh> koen: yes, should work:)
  628. [15:38:11] <beagleboarduser> any help? or is there an online forum where I can ask questions regarding my beagleboard xM? Help is much appreciated. :)
  629. [15:38:39] <woglinde> beagleboarduser where does it stop?
  630. [15:38:39] <lyakh> koen: see hunk @@ -1049,10 +1064,14 @@
  631. [15:38:54] <woglinde> beagleboarduser and how did you prepared the sd-card
  632. [15:39:07] <woglinde> and what did you copied on the sd-card?
  633. [15:39:19] <koen> lyakh: I had patch, but it didn't get applied
  634. [15:39:36] <beagleboarduser> thanks for the help! yeah, i already had an sd card made. i know that it works because i used to log in to angstrom linux.
  635. [15:40:00] <beagleboarduser> but this morning, i pulled the plug to restart the board and now, when i put the poewr supply, all it does is display the beagleboard.org image
  636. [15:40:08] <woglinde> beagleboarduser sd-card for old beagleboard?
  637. [15:40:18] <lyakh> koen: hm... unapplied patches rarely help;)
  638. [15:40:32] <woglinde> beagleboarduser connect the serial cable and look where it hangs
  639. [15:40:55] <beagleboarduser> woglinde: er, i'm rather new to the beagleboard...what do you mean by serial cable?
  640. [15:41:15] <woglinde> beagleboarduser or add psplash=false to the kernel cmdline
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  642. [15:42:01] <beagleboarduser> woglinde: i'm not sure how to add to commandline because i pretty much can't access anything on the board...
  643. [15:42:52] <woglinde> you cannt pull out the sd-card and use it in a reader?
  644. [15:43:32] <beagleboarduser> woglinde: oh, ok. unfortunately, i don't have a card reader with me now, but i have another question: would the hard reset have done anything to the sd card?
  645. [15:44:01] <av500> maybe
  646. [15:44:09] <beagleboarduser> woglinde: because when i put the power supply in, the user0/user1 led's blink. user0 continues to blink, but user1 doesn't.
  647. [15:44:15] <av500> connecting the serial will tellyou
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  651. [15:45:29] <beagleboarduser> av500: thank you! what do you mean by serial cable? (sorry, i am quite new to the beagleboard...).
  652. [15:46:37] <vijayb> @ av500 what is the need of XDS510 USB emulators ?? can i not check the interfaces with the emulator??? is the s/w really reqd??
  653. [15:47:40] <av500> -EQUESTIONOVERLOAD
  654. [15:47:45] <beagleboarduser> av500, woglinde: is the serial cable to connect a monitor to the board? I already have a monitor connected to the beagle. it just shows that static image and does nothing else...
  655. [15:47:52] <av500> no
  656. [15:47:55] <av500> a serial cable
  657. [15:48:06] <bioster> beagleboarduser: a serial cable is simply a a cable that connects to a serial port, and a serial port is a 9-pin connector built into the beagleboard
  658. [15:48:07] <av500> google for "serial cable" if you dont know that this is
  659. [15:48:24] <av500> simple IRC rule: everything you don't know/understand -> google it
  660. [15:48:30] <av500> *everything*
  661. [15:48:43] <beagleboarduser> av500, bioster: thank you for the continued help...i shall google :P
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  663. [15:51:29] <bioster> beagleboarduser: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners
  664. [15:52:14] <woglinde> beagleboarduser and beware you can plug in the serial cable wrong, but that dont hurds the hw
  665. [15:52:24] <av500> it wont install hurd on it
  666. [15:52:41] <woglinde> just turn the connector 180 degress
  667. [15:52:59] <av500> on an XM?
  668. [15:53:06] <bioster> er... are you saying you've managed to plug a serial port in backwards?
  669. [15:53:06] <woglinde> hm
  670. [15:53:16] <woglinde> cannt you make it wrong on xm?
  671. [15:53:21] <woglinde> okay
  672. [15:53:24] <woglinde> my fault
  673. [15:53:27] <av500> woglinde: you dont look that type
  674. [15:53:37] <beagleboarduser> thanks for the help everyone. i'm not sure if this is a problem, but i let the board cool down, and now it is letting me log into to angstrom....i have no idea why it works now.
  675. [15:53:50] <beagleboarduser> but i will defintely look into the links and the serial cable thing!
  676. [15:54:17] <bioster> beagleboarduser: what kind of board is it? is it an xm or maybe a c4?
  677. [15:54:28] <beagleboarduser> it is a beagleboard xM.
  678. [15:54:40] <woglinde> av500 I always remind me the cable has to go over the board the long way not the short *g*
  679. [15:54:41] <koen> lyakh: it sort of works now, see my mail
  680. [15:54:41] <beagleboarduser> i guess i won't do a hard reset from now on!
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  682. [15:55:10] <bioster> ok, something that could easily escape your notice if you buy a serial cable for it... you'll a 'serial cable extension', not a 'null modem cable'
  683. [15:55:14] <lyakh> koen: good! 5min fetchmail grace-period;)
  684. [15:55:52] <woglinde> bioster is there no serialcable anymore for xm in the package?
  685. [15:56:05] <av500> woglinde: ???
  686. [15:56:11] <av500> woglinde: that all depends on the cable
  687. [15:56:20] <woglinde> or connector
  688. [15:56:22] <av500> woglinde: no cable
  689. [15:56:22] <woglinde> herje
  690. [15:56:23] <bioster> woglinde: I had to buy all my components separately
  691. [15:56:31] <av500> I had to hand solder the omap3
  692. [15:56:40] <av500> and laminate the pcb
  693. [15:56:46] <woglinde> *g*
  694. [15:56:59] <av500> and drill those tiny holes with my Hilti
  695. [15:57:12] <bioster> initially I just tried using my null modem cable and a gender changer because I didn't realize that it was different :D
  696. [15:57:55] <av500> bioster: the XM has the wrong connector for a null modem
  697. [15:58:02] <bioster> av500: exactly my point
  698. [15:58:10] <av500> so why did you even try?
  699. [15:58:20] <bioster> because I didn't realize it :P
  700. [15:58:26] <av500> you did
  701. [15:58:31] <av500> you even added a gender changer
  702. [15:58:59] <bioster> I realized that the gender was different, yes
  703. [15:59:02] <lyakh> koen: nice:) but you should be getting a proper image actually - as long as your CPU is fast enough;)
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  705. [15:59:50] <lyakh> koen: in any case, a normal image, not just a light blob, depending on your lighting conditions, of course:)
  706. [16:00:26] <lyakh> koen: otherwise, what concerns standard V4L2 applications - forget that for now. kick Laurent for that;) or better yet pay him :-D
  707. [16:01:01] <av500> pay him kicks?
  708. [16:01:55] <woglinde> hm fast cpu, so you cannt use yavtok with opencv
  709. [16:02:00] <lyakh> av500: I think he prefers Euros, but you can try to negotiate currency with him;)
  710. [16:02:07] <koen> lyakh: I get something that looks like a severely interlaced white blob in the middle of a black rectangle
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  713. [16:03:34] <av500> koen: do not point the camera at your vanity mirror
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  715. [16:04:56] <koen> you imply I have non-vanity mirrors
  716. [16:05:53] <woglinde> hmhm uclibc is weired
  717. [16:05:55] <woglinde> rror: 'NULL' undeclared (first use in this function)
  718. [16:06:38] <av500> define NULL 1
  719. [16:06:40] <av500> +#
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  721. [16:09:10] <woglinde> including stdlib.h helps too
  722. [16:09:20] <woglinde> woot compiled
  723. [16:09:21] <woglinde> hm
  724. [16:09:32] <woglinde> now lets see systemd
  725. [16:09:48] <av500> stdlib.h is too easy
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  727. [16:10:40] <woglinde> ah right utmpx.h was the next error
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  729. [16:10:52] <AlTheKiller> I dunno that I'd #define NULL to 1 in any case.
  730. [16:11:27] <woglinde> AlTheKiller ;)
  731. [16:11:34] <woglinde> thats our humor
  732. [16:11:40] <woglinde> hi nottoodumb
  733. [16:12:00] <NotTooDumb3> Hi woglinde
  734. [16:12:12] <AlTheKiller> Ah damn, no imoticon and I'm oblivious :(
  735. [16:12:17] <av500> AlTheKiller: a NULL != 0 is allowed
  736. [16:12:26] <AlTheKiller> Not too common though.
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  739. [16:23:03] <woglinde> hm now only execvpe is needed
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  776. [18:24:10] <jefferai> Hi there -- I have a beagleboard xM and I'm using the stock MMC that came preinstalled in it, but it seems to not boot correctly. Most of the time I get http://pastie.org/pastes/1999471/text and it just sits there saying "Loading Kernel Image ... "
  777. [18:24:38] <jefferai> one time I got http://pastie.org/pastes/1999476/text
  778. [18:24:54] <jefferai> not sure why I got different behavior that one time
  779. [18:25:06] <jkridner> how are you powering the board?
  780. [18:25:12] <jkridner> anything happen to the LEDs?
  781. [18:25:43] <jkridner> looks like you are powering off of USB.
  782. [18:25:45] <jefferai> jkridner: powering it via the miniUSB
  783. [18:25:46] <jefferai> yeah
  784. [18:25:51] <jefferai> I have two LEDs lit on the board
  785. [18:26:05] <jefferai> one in the corner (D5), the other between the four USB ports
  786. [18:26:17] <woglinde> wb jkridner
  787. [18:26:42] <jkridner> there is some point of contention if it should be communicated that the BeagleBoard-xM supports being powered off of USB...
  788. [18:26:54] <jkridner> the code image that ships with the board does not.
  789. [18:26:59] <jefferai> Ah!
  790. [18:27:01] <jkridner> woglinde: thanks!
  791. [18:27:01] <jefferai> huh
  792. [18:27:29] <jkridner> with the right software, powering off of USB is theoretically possible on the xM Rev C.
  793. [18:28:17] <jkridner> no one has really written software to come up under 100mA.
  794. [18:28:45] <woglinde> lol
  795. [18:28:55] <jkridner> really, the software to come up under 500mA isn't even typical.
  796. [18:29:00] <woglinde> you have to say the usb bus go under 100mA and beagle will power off
  797. [18:29:01] <woglinde> nice
  798. [18:29:25] <jkridner> beagle could run under 100mA theoretically.
  799. [18:29:53] <jkridner> DVI-D off. EHCI off. clock speed something less than 1GHz.
  800. [18:30:03] <av500> 999MHz
  801. [18:30:10] <jkridner> coming up under 100mA is required by the USB spec.
  802. [18:30:39] <jefferai> yeah, you'd never know from reading around
  803. [18:30:39] <jefferai> so then I need to find a 5.5mm 5V supply...
  804. [18:30:39] <jefferai> is there anything that needs to be done for power-via-USB to work?
  805. [18:30:39] * jefferai wonders if e.g. Radio Shack would have the necessary adapter
  806. [18:31:47] <jefferai> ignore the previous question about making power-via-USB work; I had an IRC hiccup and didn't get your text above
  807. [18:32:38] <woglinde> jefferai use 1.5A at least
  808. [18:33:02] <jefferai> OK, I'll keep that in mind
  809. [18:35:34] <jefferai> damn, every adapter I can find is either < 5.5mm or > 5V :-)
  810. [18:37:05] * jkridner added an entry to http://beagleboard.org/support/faq/
  811. [18:37:53] <jkridner> jefferai: if you don't need to power anything significant off of the USB hub, you could use a cell phone charger that provides 5V to a USB cable.
  812. [18:38:57] <av500> 500mA
  813. [18:39:07] <av500> 1000 if you are lucky
  814. [18:39:16] <woglinde> hm wasnt there some which did more
  815. [18:39:21] <woglinde> ah av500
  816. [18:39:40] <av500> a puny lil cell phone does not need more
  817. [18:39:48] <woglinde> I know
  818. [18:40:05] <mru> you could also mount a mini-usb plug on a 100A PSU
  819. [18:40:24] <av500> just dont grab the 100V PSU
  820. [18:40:51] <jkridner> mru: I've found that there still seems to be a limitation of powering devices off of the USB hub that way.
  821. [18:41:20] <jkridner> namely, while at Maker Faire, I was attempting to power a 10W pico projector off of the BeagleBoard-xM USB hub...
  822. [18:41:42] <mru> the hub might limit the power
  823. [18:41:55] <jkridner> it worked when I directly connected 5VDC, but if I went through the OTG port, even with the same adapter, it did not.
  824. [18:42:05] <mru> so cut the power lines from the hub to the jacks and wire them to something beefier
  825. [18:42:11] <jkridner> I don't think the limit is in the hub, but in the way the regulators are hooked to the OTG.
  826. [18:42:19] <koen> jkridner: on beagle the musb goes thru the TPS, which has a 800mA max iirc
  827. [18:42:33] <jkridner> Just using the 5VDC input enables the beefier supply.
  828. [18:42:46] <jkridner> koen: sounds right.
  829. [18:43:04] <mru> koen: any reason for that wiring?
  830. [18:43:19] <jkridner> makes those USB-to-5VDC adapters useful still.
  831. [18:43:52] <jkridner> all: if you see a problem with my entry in the FAQ, let me know.
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  833. [18:45:39] <jefferai> jkridner: Currently I had it plugged into a powered monitor; theoretically that should easily be able to provide a steady 5V via the USB cable
  834. [18:45:55] <jefferai> so if that's not working I doubt a cell phone charger will
  835. [18:46:20] <jkridner> are you saying that you saw it fail under that condition?
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  838. [18:46:39] <koen> mru: iirc the musb on omap3 needs an external piece to handle the different scenarios
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  840. [18:47:04] <jkridner> I've been powering my BeagleBoard from http://www.batteriesplus.com/product/43721-OY340--5A-Solar-Tablet-Charger/547-0/5041-Cell-Phone-Batteries/126427-Sanyo/Katana-White.aspx
  841. [18:47:19] <jefferai> jkridner: no, what I'm saying is that the boot failures I pasted above are under that condition
  842. [18:47:25] <jefferai> which you seemed to think was due to insufficient power
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  844. [18:47:48] <jkridner> The spec of "recharged up to 500 times" seems very disappointing.
  845. [18:49:16] <jkridner> the second failure you showed (http://pastie.org/pastes/1999476/text) shows the musb interrupt issue, which should only show if there is a host connected.
  846. [18:50:06] <jefferai> ah, yes, there is a host connected -- but from what I remember reading if the usb is being used for power it shouldn't be bothered by that, and should only use that port for power
  847. [18:50:09] <jefferai> assuming no bugs :-)
  848. [18:50:26] <av500> no, it enumarates
  849. [18:50:29] <av500> no, it enumerates
  850. [18:50:34] <av500> and bugs
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  853. [18:51:44] <jefferai> looks like this should do it: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=10758705&numProdsPerPage=60
  854. [18:52:15] <av500> wtf? 24$?
  855. [18:52:33] <jefferai> changeable plugs make it useful for other things
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  857. [18:52:40] <jefferai> also, this is for work, so it's not my $24 :-)
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  864. [19:19:37] <woglinde> hurray it finally compiles
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  875. [19:55:36] <ynezz> woglinde: what are you cooking today?
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  882. [20:03:29] <joelagnel> make omap2plus_defconfig in the kernel sets OMAP_MUX to y. Does, this (for some reason) cause a kernel panic when VFS mounts root?
  883. [20:03:52] <woglinde> ynezz systemd with uclibc
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  888. [20:08:42] <Megabug> Hello!
  889. [20:10:29] <Megabug> I have a beagleboard xM and can't get the precompiled froyo from TI to boot...
  890. [20:10:41] <Megabug> Warning: unable to open an initial console.
  891. [20:11:00] <Megabug> init: cannot open '/initlogo.rle'
  892. [20:11:11] <Megabug> are some of the last kernel messages ;)
  893. [20:11:24] <Megabug> tried different cards
  894. [20:11:37] <jkridner> I don't think that warning is significant.
  895. [20:11:47] <jkridner> you'd need to paste a longer boot log.
  896. [20:12:02] <jkridner> I'd also recommend following up on #rowboat and e2e.ti.com.
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  898. [20:12:53] <_av500_> Megabug: your kernel cmdline is wrong
  899. [20:12:59] <_av500_> pastebin the full boot
  900. [20:13:23] <Megabug> http://pastebin.com/gijrvpfR
  901. [20:13:25] <Megabug> there it is
  902. [20:15:03] <_av500_> cmd line looks ok
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  907. [20:17:29] <Megabug> should I see something ?
  908. [20:17:36] <Megabug> on my screen
  909. [20:17:39] <_av500_> no idea
  910. [20:17:43] <Megabug> hehe
  911. [20:17:46] <Megabug> okay
  912. [20:17:48] <_av500_> never ran that froyo on a BB
  913. [20:17:56] <_av500_> ask where jkridner told you
  914. [20:18:06] <Megabug> okay
  915. [20:18:45] <_av500_> and dont expect much
  916. [20:19:17] <_av500_> jkridner: btw, what kind of joke is this matrix GUI?
  917. [20:19:45] <jkridner> it is just a simple web-based app launcher.
  918. [20:21:09] <_av500_> yes
  919. [20:21:18] <_av500_> it has more wiki then code
  920. [20:21:22] <jkridner> I remember back in the days just pre Windows 3.1, menu launchers made computers usable by many people that could not otherwise figure out DOS.
  921. [20:21:45] <_av500_> which is sad since there are much more urgetn ti things to document
  922. [20:21:45] * tasskjapp is now known as tasslehoff
  923. [20:21:56] <jkridner> yeah, it is more of a documented entry point than anything else.
  924. [20:22:18] <_av500_> jkridner: and what about the line that says that "graphic apps will conflict"
  925. [20:22:27] <_av500_> its a gui launcher for cmd line tools?
  926. [20:22:30] <jkridner> I'm not familiar with that line.
  927. [20:22:32] <_av500_> thats the true DOS spirit
  928. [20:22:43] <_av500_> jkridner: CTRL-F for conflict
  929. [20:22:52] <_av500_> or check todays log
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  931. [20:26:42] <jkridner> The documentation only refers to the Qt/E version of Matrix.
  932. [20:27:24] <jkridner> I'm pushing for the application to be eliminated and replaced with a web server.
  933. [20:27:36] <jkridner> then, using a standard browser.
  934. [20:27:56] <jkridner> not sure if that would eliminate or grow your concerns.
  935. [20:28:21] <_av500_> my concenrs?
  936. [20:28:27] <_av500_> i could not care less :)
  937. [20:28:39] <_av500_> but there was this pax today that asked for it
  938. [20:28:41] <jkridner> also, the app is being modified to use .desktop files.
  939. [20:28:57] <jkridner> I scrolled back to read siji's comment.
  940. [20:29:08] <_av500_> k
  941. [20:29:16] <jkridner> not sure why Matrix questions are showing up here exactly.
  942. [20:29:19] <tasslehoff> I I want to be able to do "echo 4 > /debug/pm_debug/wakeup_timer_seconds", and have it actually do something (useful). Can I get that sort of PM features with the .37 kernel from latest OE?
  943. [20:29:28] <jkridner> I guess I've put it in some demo images.
  944. [20:30:28] <jkridner> It really shouldn't be much of anything as it is just an application launcher that uses a browser for the application selection rather than to code anything up for a GUI.
  945. [20:32:17] <_av500_> jkridner: no idea
  946. [20:32:34] <_av500_> i was just surprised at the unusual code to doc ratio
  947. [20:33:00] <_av500_> for such a non-core feature :)
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  953. [20:36:58] <woglinde> koen updated to .39
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  976. [21:55:54] <Crofton> mru, you are correct, we can get in a lot of trouble with the e100
  977. [21:56:32] * jkridner expects an interesting story to follow.
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  979. [22:03:17] <_av500_> Crofton: back from the boat?
  980. [22:06:17] <Crofton> yes
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  983. [22:12:32] <ds2> Hmmm
  984. [22:20:38] <mru> Crofton: I only asked what was possible, didn't make any claims
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