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IRC Log for 2011-09-28

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  17. [01:11:16] <cwicks> good morning beaglers! its cwicks here
  18. [01:11:36] <cwicks> jkridner: are you ready for esc?
  19. [01:12:41] <cwicks> I have a student question - has anyone seen beagle + MAME?
  20. [01:17:47] <koen> the emulator?
  21. [01:20:39] <cwicks> Hi Koen - yes he wants to build a MAME cabinet
  22. [01:22:06] <Crofton|work> heh
  23. [01:22:18] <Crofton|work> the hard part of a mame cabinet is the controls
  24. [01:23:36] <cwicks> Hi, this is Brandon (the student)
  25. [01:24:16] <cwicks> Wouldn't ripping apart a USB arcade controller for a computer be the ideal solution?
  26. [01:25:04] <cwicks> It shouldn't be too difficult to find the id the button returns when pressed and then poll it?
  27. [01:25:23] <Crofton|work> for those games the mechanics of the buttons, balls, etc are critical
  28. [01:26:19] <cwicks> I see, but if the board can connect to a keyboard, then couldn't that be used in a preliminary build? Or would the problem be the response time?
  29. [01:26:39] <cwicks> Sorry, I've never heard of BeagleBoard three hours ago haha
  30. [01:26:43] <Crofton|work> heh
  31. [01:27:04] <Crofton|work> I played video games when they came out, so I am very senstive to control feel :)
  32. [01:28:59] <cwicks> lol, that's a valid point, but I know from previous experience that it's been compiled on the old B&W iPods for iPod Linux with IIRC 32 mb RAM
  33. [01:29:08] <Crofton|work> sure
  34. [01:29:19] <Crofton|work> but it is no fun without real cabinets and controls
  35. [01:29:23] <cwicks> And that seemed decently responsive, so I feel like a BeagleBoard has more than enough resources available
  36. [01:29:54] <cwicks> Well, I love power tools so a cabinet would be easy and fun to build :)
  37. [01:30:20] <cwicks> Also, a usb arcade-styled controler can be found for cheap on eBay, I believe
  38. [01:30:37] <cwicks> So, I think the only thing stopping me is time :D
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  40. [01:35:02] <jkridner> hi cwicks.
  41. [01:35:58] <jkridner> I have an iCade for which I'm looking for an LCD screen I can use to fill it and drive with a BeagleBoard-xM.
  42. [01:36:24] <jkridner> I've seen some pretty cheap LCDs w/o touch.
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  47. [01:37:16] <cwicks> jkridner: I was planning on using craigslist to find a cheap/free monitor
  48. [01:37:55] <jkridner> that works. Have you seen the iCade? perhaps a bit expensive, but a fairly polished look-and-feel.
  49. [01:38:16] <cwicks> Your iCade idea is genius.
  50. [01:38:32] <jkridner> I have an iPad, but the display is smaller than what I'd want. ...and it needs to be "jailbroken".
  51. [01:38:46] <cwicks> I was semi-looking forward to building a cabinent but the iCade is the exact form factor I wanted to build
  52. [01:39:30] <cwicks> Ya, the iPad's nice, but not as an actual display. A bit small, though the IPS is gorgeous
  53. [01:40:28] <cwicks> hey jkridner - it's really cathy here - did you get powered up at esc?
  54. [01:41:15] <jkridner> all good on power! :)
  55. [01:41:21] <jkridner> checked it all out today.
  56. [01:41:27] <jkridner> ready for 8AM classes!
  57. [01:41:37] <jkridner> thank you so much!
  58. [01:42:03] <jkridner> still monkeying with slides/labs.
  59. [01:42:20] <jkridner> so many, many things to go wrong.
  60. [01:42:34] <jkridner> I'm hopeful everyone will enjoy and get a lot out of the classes tomorrow.
  61. [01:42:51] <jkridner> The Android certification thing is also pretty interesting.
  62. [01:43:10] <jkridner> attendance of the lectures has been really high, so I'm expecting a good turn-out on the hands-on sessions.
  63. [01:47:55] <cwicks> hurray - if you get any academics, please tell them about us :0
  64. [01:48:36] <cwicks> Crofton, Koen, jkridner - student Brandon says thanks!
  65. [01:48:46] <cwicks> good night from cwicks - good luck tomorrow
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  70. [02:08:01] <koen> "zoo monorail rescue"
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  83. [03:06:48] <Siggi_> hi, can anybody provide me with information about beagleboard-xm and android-gingerbread? I am going to develop some applications on the board, but I had some permission problems of android while I tried to access the hardware...
  84. [03:10:14] <doublebeta> 'access the hardware'? Like, GPIOs, or I2C? Perhaps serial?
  85. [03:11:55] <Siggi_> GPIO's and I2C
  86. [03:12:37] <Siggi_> I am able to access GPIOs via the sys-filesystem, but if I try to access the sys-fs over Java, the application stops
  87. [03:12:51] <doublebeta> How are you trying to use GPIOs? Directly via /dev/mem, or some other way?
  88. [03:13:07] <Siggi_> yes, /dev/mem was my first trial
  89. [03:13:09] <doublebeta> Hurr. I forget if there's a GPIO group. Try as root, if you haven't already...
  90. [03:13:20] <doublebeta> /dev/mem _requires_ root
  91. [03:13:40] <Siggi_> yes, i know, but the problem is, somehow i am not able to get root access...
  92. [03:13:56] <doublebeta> I'm only running Debian so I'm saying things fairly blindly
  93. [03:14:09] <Siggi_> i see...
  94. [03:14:16] <doublebeta> Hmm, what have you tried?
  95. [03:14:32] <doublebeta> Can you get shell access to the device/
  96. [03:14:33] <doublebeta> *?
  97. [03:14:51] <Siggi_> standard linux commands (I am not a android geek, yet ;) )
  98. [03:14:56] <Siggi_> yes over serial
  99. [03:14:57] <doublebeta> have you tried just 'su root'?
  100. [03:15:04] <Siggi_> i tried sudo su
  101. [03:15:16] <Siggi_> one moment, i'll try to su root
  102. [03:16:15] <Siggi_> well, it seems to work, but how do i get root-access over my applications? just with chown?
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  104. [03:23:41] <Siggi_> if i try to get access over /sys/class/gpio (for me not so ideal, because of the limitations), and change the rights of the /sys/class/gpio/export and further files, then it works fine...but only if I change the file-rights over the shell...
  105. [03:23:44] * ka6sox is now known as zz_ka6sox
  106. [03:24:52] <doublebeta> you can chmod +s them yes
  107. [03:25:53] <doublebeta> a better idea would be to write a wrapper application that handles the root stuff, while your regular application runs as an unprivilaged user. But perhaps security won't matter to you - it's really up to you.
  108. [03:26:05] <doublebeta> chown root <path>
  109. [03:26:10] <doublebeta> chmod +s <path>
  110. [03:26:59] <doublebeta> You could add things to the init scripts, etc
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  112. [03:27:19] <doublebeta> and add your user to a group which has write access to /sys/class/gpio/export
  113. [03:27:35] <doublebeta> gtg, getting food
  114. [03:27:45] <Siggi_> ok, thank you very much!
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  124. [04:13:31] <Siggi_> #android-dev
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  141. [05:21:52] <Siggi_> hey guys, could anyone provide me with information about the android permissions for accessing systems' hardware over an android-application (android - gingerbread - is running on my beagleboard)
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  143. [05:26:13] <hitlin37> mru:ffmpef fft is fixed point or floating point?
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  146. [05:42:35] <hitlin37> lthere are both fixed and floating point implementation in it.what flags leads to fixed point implementation?
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  163. [07:23:45] <doublebeta> Ok, does anyone know a way to generate an image that will just sit at the u-boot prompt?
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  165. [07:25:40] <tasslehoff> u-boot with bootdelay set to -1?
  166. [07:25:57] <doublebeta> alright. Doc reading time ^_^
  167. [07:26:22] <doublebeta> bah, looks like my serial port really isn't working.
  168. [07:27:17] <thurbad> modify u-boot and take out the boot command?
  169. [07:31:36] <doublebeta> Well, I don't want it to shit brix :). Will that be fine? Also, generally should the beagle print something to UART3/ttyS0 while booting?
  170. [07:31:46] <doublebeta> I get nada, which means my port is probably at fault
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  173. [07:47:48] <doublebeta> brb, checking PCI is in right :|\
  174. [07:52:36] <_av500_> seems like Intel burried Meego by paying Samsung to call rename LiMo to Tizen
  175. [07:54:50] <hitlin37_> there was a time,when visiting moblin.org said,see you at meego,now meego says,see you at Tizen.what next
  176. [07:55:45] <hitlin37_> will it be ,see you at bada OS
  177. [07:55:49] <doublebeta> Woo. Back, wasn't in. Now I get 't?????b???U@U@' on boot :|
  178. [07:55:55] <doublebeta> erm, 115200 right?
  179. [07:59:18] <doublebeta> Hm. Indeed 115200, 8N1 with no FC. Still only garbage
  180. [08:01:03] <doublebeta> Jumpered RX to TX, my serial IS working
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  182. [08:04:27] <doublebeta> mm food
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  192. [08:27:17] <doublebeta> erm. Helps to have an sd card in.
  193. [08:28:13] <doublebeta> g,kjkkwew omg
  194. [08:28:15] <doublebeta> oops
  195. [08:28:19] <doublebeta> omg, prompt
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  200. [08:33:28] <thurbad> do you have a MLO, and was MLO the first thing you put on a freshly formatted partition?
  201. [08:33:57] <doublebeta> I just reused an old Linux-image
  202. [08:34:02] <doublebeta> I got to the pompt
  203. [08:34:05] <doublebeta> *prompt
  204. [08:34:07] <thurbad> that's not gonna work
  205. [08:34:29] <doublebeta> Well, it's at uboot and it's ready to ymodem a binary over.
  206. [08:34:34] <thurbad> erm... usallyit doesn't work unless you reformat the partition
  207. [08:34:57] <thurbad> I thought you said you only get garbage on the terminal?
  208. [08:35:12] <doublebeta> I forgot to put the microSD in :X
  209. [08:35:17] <thurbad> oh
  210. [08:35:18] <doublebeta> <unforgivable!>
  211. [08:35:48] <doublebeta> grr. 'Retry 0: NAK on sector'
  212. [08:39:12] <doublebeta> OMAP3 beagleboard.org # go 0x80200000
  213. [08:39:12] <doublebeta> ## Starting application at 0x80200000 ...
  214. [08:39:13] <doublebeta> ABC
  215. [08:39:15] <doublebeta> omg yes
  216. [08:39:29] <doublebeta> ~2kMIPS to print 'ABC'!
  217. [08:52:50] <cde> is anyone using the flyswatter1 on windows xp?
  218. [08:53:18] <_av500_> I just kick my xp box once in a while
  219. [08:53:58] <cde> it's not very reliable, I'm wondering if moving to linux might help (using openocd 0.5 with the flyswatter patch)
  220. [08:59:32] <doublebeta> Anyone know where u-boot resides in memory? I want to branch back to it so I don't have to hit reset
  221. [09:01:08] <_av500_> source should tell you
  222. [09:01:21] <doublebeta> I _LOVE_ the u-boot help message. "true - do nothing, successfully"
  223. [09:01:27] <doublebeta> _av500_: indeed. Heh.
  224. [09:02:00] <doublebeta> but I'm anti-RTFM like that. brb reading le sauce
  225. [09:02:43] <thurbad> if you're anti rtfm ... don't admit it here.. won't get you very far
  226. [09:03:21] <_av500_> rtfs helps much more
  227. [09:04:07] <doublebeta> I was more joking
  228. [09:05:05] <doublebeta> anyway - should be in their linker script.
  229. [09:05:16] <_av500_> ye
  230. [09:05:18] <_av500_> p
  231. [09:05:29] <doublebeta> anyone else done any bare-metal dev?
  232. [09:05:39] <doublebeta> on the beagleboard specifically?
  233. [09:05:52] <doublebeta> dw, I won't harass you. ... much.
  234. [09:06:51] <doublebeta> Either u-boot is 100MB or I cloned more than I was supposed to.
  235. [09:07:29] * doublebeta resists urge to branch into C code
  236. [09:07:54] <hitlin37_> O_O
  237. [09:10:09] <doublebeta> ok, no, 40MB
  238. [09:11:44] <hitlin37_> you can't branch back to u-boot ,because its not in the memory,that memory is consumed by kernel.
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  240. [09:12:12] <doublebeta> I'm not running Linux.
  241. [09:12:42] <doublebeta> My code gets loaded to 0x80200000
  242. [09:12:58] <doublebeta> and the prompt still shows after being loaded
  243. [09:13:02] <doublebeta> so I assume it doesn't get nuked.
  244. [09:14:07] <doublebeta> http://paste2.org/p/1676672
  245. [09:14:16] <hitlin37_> are you running tizen?
  246. [09:14:24] <doublebeta> I wrote the code I'm running.
  247. [09:14:35] <doublebeta> it's bare metal
  248. [09:17:18] <doublebeta> .equ UBOOT.ADDR, 0x80008000
  249. [09:17:23] <doublebeta> _return_uboot: b =UBOOT.ADDR
  250. [09:17:31] <doublebeta> well let's hope for the best :S
  251. [09:17:49] <hitlin37_> a bare metal code can run without u-boot.no?
  252. [09:18:52] <doublebeta> It's easier to dev when I can ymodem the binary to the board
  253. [09:19:03] <doublebeta> otherwise I'd have to take the uSD card out every time
  254. [09:19:28] <doublebeta> this way I can just type 'loady' and make minicom ymodem it
  255. [09:20:06] <doublebeta> eventually I'll probably write my own loader - but by that stage it will be making dolphins out of thin air.
  256. [09:20:55] <thurbad> what libraries work on baremetal?
  257. [09:21:44] <_av500_> thurbad: ?
  258. [09:22:05] <_av500_> thurbad: all the libs that dont need libc :)
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  260. [09:23:17] <_av500_> hitlin37_: yes, you could make your baremetal code replace uboot
  261. [09:23:31] <doublebeta> LOL
  262. [09:23:33] <_av500_> in the end, the omap3 is just a cpu
  263. [09:23:35] <doublebeta> No libraries.
  264. [09:23:36] <_av500_> it runs code
  265. [09:23:42] <doublebeta> Which is unfortunate I suppose :)
  266. [09:23:52] <doublebeta> binary goes in, blinking led goes out
  267. [09:23:57] <_av500_> doublebeta: write your own :)
  268. [09:24:01] <doublebeta> exactly
  269. [09:24:08] <doublebeta> That's what I'm doing.
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  271. [09:24:20] <_av500_> libbaremetalprintf
  272. [09:24:24] <doublebeta> Bare metal is not an OS, it's a description. It's just executing the code.
  273. [09:24:28] <doublebeta> _kputs
  274. [09:24:30] <_av500_> libbaremetalgetchar
  275. [09:24:37] <_av500_> thats all you need
  276. [09:24:43] <doublebeta> yups
  277. [09:25:34] <_av500_> and you can get far on bare metal: http://reviews.cnet.com/Archos_AV500_Mobile_DVR_30GB/4505-6499_7-31517717.html
  278. [09:25:53] <_av500_> bare metal on an arm9@200mhz
  279. [09:26:07] <thurbad> I /need/ framebuffer and audio stuffs
  280. [09:26:22] <_av500_> thurbad: libbaremetaldss
  281. [09:26:29] <_av500_> and libbaremetalmcbsp
  282. [09:26:30] <thurbad> so I probably won't be checking it out soon
  283. [09:27:05] <_av500_> but I would not want to go back to bare these days :)
  284. [09:27:25] <doublebeta> Linux pissed me off
  285. [09:27:33] <doublebeta> (I use Linux on the desktop all the time on x86)
  286. [09:27:42] <thurbad> what did linux do to you?
  287. [09:27:45] <thurbad> :P
  288. [09:27:50] <doublebeta> Keyboard no workie
  289. [09:27:57] <_av500_> yeah, thats a hard one
  290. [09:27:57] <doublebeta> using debian armel netinst
  291. [09:28:04] <thurbad> really?
  292. [09:28:16] * _av500_ lols at debain armel
  293. [09:28:20] <doublebeta> I can probably install it with serial, but what's the point if it will probably do the same thing installed.
  294. [09:28:26] <doublebeta> I have debian armhf installed
  295. [09:28:34] <thurbad> oh, do you have an xM revC
  296. [09:28:37] <doublebeta> BUT gcc is either broken, or I'm mentally retarded.
  297. [09:28:38] <doublebeta> Yes.
  298. [09:28:51] <doublebeta> Got it exactly 7 days ago
  299. [09:29:22] <thurbad> yeah I guess debian/ubuntu haven't patched the USB for revC yet
  300. [09:30:02] <thurbad> why is beyond me, it's an easy fix
  301. [09:30:06] <doublebeta> Fail tbh. revC isn't that new is it?
  302. [09:30:10] <cde> doublebeta: I'm curious to know where you ordered it from?
  303. [09:30:14] <doublebeta> Digikey.
  304. [09:30:22] <cde> was it very expensive?
  305. [09:30:24] <doublebeta> Was a PITA to get thru customs, all le forms and stuff
  306. [09:30:33] <doublebeta> $149US, so... it's the standard :P
  307. [09:31:03] <thurbad> no revC is a couple of months old now
  308. [09:31:06] <doublebeta> I ordered lots of other stuff too. BB annoyed me so I went to play with my attiny's. That's a laugh :D
  309. [09:31:30] <doublebeta> damn, and yet so critical of a bug isn't fixed. They owe me nothing, but still, 0_o
  310. [09:31:59] <thurbad> I've gone through security a few times carrying beagles... fun times at LAX
  311. [09:33:52] <doublebeta> Oh. Bro tip: actually branch to your new kputs function.
  312. [09:34:51] <Guest26439> Angstrom build is going on from past 5 hours for me..
  313. [09:35:15] <thurbad> he initial build takes a long time
  314. [09:35:37] <thurbad> *the
  315. [09:36:08] <doublebeta> wooopsie. GOTTA INCREMENT THE DAMN POINTER
  316. [09:37:23] <doublebeta> OMAP3 beagleboard.org # go 0x80200000
  317. [09:37:23] <doublebeta> ## Starting application at 0x80200000 ...
  318. [09:37:23] <doublebeta> !Welcome to DBUX 0.01. Returning to u-boot (hopefully)
  319. [09:37:59] <doublebeta> well kputs works. returning to uboot doesn't. that or my return mechanism doesn't, which is more likely since I don't have a clue what I'm doing in ARM ASM.
  320. [09:38:08] <doublebeta> testing time.
  321. [09:38:42] <thurbad> cool deal
  322. [09:39:10] <doublebeta> Ok. _kputs works. Going to u-boot doesn't.
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  324. [09:45:41] <nemoz> Hello, I'm having some trouble booting up our beagleboard-xM. No messages coming over the serial-usb cable and only two lights remain on, i.e., doesn't seem to boot from the SD card.
  325. [09:45:50] <doublebeta> Meh. I'll just reset the proc in software.
  326. [09:45:56] <nemoz> It was working previously.
  327. [09:46:02] <doublebeta> nemoz: can you test the cable?
  328. [09:46:24] <nemoz> doublebeta: We have two boards, the other is working fine with the cables we have.
  329. [09:46:29] <doublebeta> Ah.
  330. [09:46:35] <doublebeta> Is the SD card in?
  331. [09:46:39] <nemoz> Yes.
  332. [09:46:40] <thurbad> same card in both?
  333. [09:46:40] * doublebeta forgot earlier... eh
  334. [09:46:49] <nemoz> Yes, tried same card in both.
  335. [09:47:04] <doublebeta> tried both PSUs?
  336. [09:47:04] <thurbad> same power cord on both?
  337. [09:47:05] <nemoz> Works in the other one.
  338. [09:47:11] <nemoz> Yup.
  339. [09:47:24] <nemoz> Everything is the same, apart from the board.
  340. [09:47:38] <thurbad> which lights are on?
  341. [09:48:00] <nemoz> D14 and D5
  342. [09:49:07] <doublebeta> Jump to reset vector... >.>. Such an ugly solution. Surely there's a method that abuses load-multiple.
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  344. [09:50:12] <cde> isn't there a register to cause a power-cycle?
  345. [09:50:18] <doublebeta> probably.
  346. [09:50:22] <doublebeta> ^_^
  347. [09:50:36] <nemoz> Is there a method to reset the bootloader?
  348. [09:51:18] <doublebeta> What do you mean? xMs don't have any NAND right?
  349. [09:51:30] <doublebeta> My u-boot script thinks revB does
  350. [09:51:31] <cde> nemoz, the bootloader in ROM cannot be changed (afaik) and should output something on the serial port when you boot
  351. [09:52:31] <nemoz> That doesn't bode well.
  352. [09:53:00] <cde> did you try booting without an SD card?
  353. [09:53:04] <nemoz> Yea.
  354. [09:53:06] <nemoz> Same.
  355. [09:53:16] <nemoz> Just two lights, no messages.
  356. [09:53:20] <cde> I afraid something is fried on your board
  357. [09:53:31] <thurbad> what are you using to power the board?
  358. [09:53:38] <nemoz> 5V DC supply.
  359. [09:53:50] <nemoz> We're working through the troubleshooting guide now.
  360. [09:53:59] <nemoz> Checking the V levels.
  361. [09:55:07] <doublebeta> apparently I 'shou;d' use the WDT to reset the processor.
  362. [09:55:19] <thurbad> all you've got is the usb power and main power led coming on?
  363. [09:55:44] <thurbad> how many amps is your wall connector?
  364. [09:55:48] <doublebeta> and using the reset vector doesn't seem to work - the vector is a b <addr> and not just the addr itself, I think. I'll check in a sec. I'm just rambling. If requested, I'll shut up.
  365. [09:58:10] <nemoz> The power supply states up to 3A.
  366. [10:01:06] <nemoz> Yup. Two LEDs only come on.
  367. [10:02:07] <thurbad> have you tried powering it off and letting it sit for a bit?
  368. [10:02:17] <thurbad> disconnect everything
  369. [10:02:43] <doublebeta> afk.
  370. [10:02:56] <cde> I found my BBxM would not start if the jtag connector was plugged the wrong way
  371. [10:03:20] <_av500_> yeah dont do that
  372. [10:03:24] <thurbad> isn't that why the jtag has a missing pin?
  373. [10:03:43] <_av500_> thurbad: that does not help unless it is filled on the plug
  374. [10:03:52] <thurbad> true
  375. [10:03:53] <nemoz> We let it sit for around 5 minutes.
  376. [10:04:07] <nemoz> Totally disconnected.
  377. [10:04:15] <mru> _av500_: I used to work on boards that were the other way around
  378. [10:04:28] <mru> the jtag header had all pins but the plug was missing a hole
  379. [10:04:49] <_av500_> there always a lighter and a paper clip for that
  380. [10:04:53] <_av500_> +'s
  381. [10:04:59] <mru> I used a small knife
  382. [10:05:00] <thurbad> lol
  383. [10:08:09] <nemoz> The voltages seem a little low in places, 1.2 instead of 1.8, but the input voltaage is definitely 5V.
  384. [10:08:33] * risca (~risca@norr-133-72.eduroam.liu.se) Quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
  385. [10:10:01] <thurbad> hmm, do you have a mini usb connector nearby?
  386. [10:10:07] <hitlin37_> mru:what gcc flag leads to fixed point fft neon?
  387. [10:10:28] <mru> libav always builds both
  388. [10:10:39] <mru> but only the float version is exposed with a public api
  389. [10:10:51] <hitlin37_> oh
  390. [10:10:51] <nemoz> We do not.
  391. [10:12:06] <nemoz> why would it be useful?
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  393. [10:12:47] <thurbad> just as a reference to see if you can get further into the boot with otg power
  394. [10:13:05] <Siggi_> hey guys, do you know how to enable ethernet over usb on the beagleboard running either ubuntu or android (gingerbread) on the board?
  395. [10:13:39] <cde> nemoz, if you have a jtag cable you can always try to run some diagnostic ARM code
  396. [10:13:47] <thurbad> it's not practical though since a problem with the otg driver usally panics the kernel
  397. [10:14:07] <nemoz> We can give it a shot.
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  409. [10:42:58] <Siggi_> #beagle
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  411. [10:44:08] <Siggi_> hey guys...currently i have an ubuntu running on my beagleboard xm...could you tell me, which comipler i should use for developing code for the beagleboard? it should work with gcc but i have no idea, which options to use...
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  414. [10:51:55] <thurbad> cross compiling or native?
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  416. [10:56:47] <Siggi_> better native, but cross would also work...
  417. [10:57:50] <thurbad> native is easier if you have libraries and suchto link in, but slower
  418. [10:58:32] <Siggi_> unfortunately, i have no libraries and no compiler on the beagleboard...
  419. [10:59:36] <thurbad> do you have apt-get?
  420. [11:00:04] <thurbad> what language will you use?
  421. [11:00:42] <Siggi_> yes i have apt-get, but at work, i have no internet access on the board...tried to configure ethernet over usb, but failed...i will use C as programming language
  422. [11:00:45] <thurbad> (I use angstom on the BB... so I'm a little out of my element
  423. [11:01:05] <Siggi_> i see
  424. [11:01:25] <thurbad> is your usb working at least?
  425. [11:02:01] <Siggi_> usb is working, yes...but unfortunately not ethernet over usb, so that i can access internet over the board
  426. [11:02:25] <thurbad> are you at the beagleboard now?
  427. [11:02:40] <Siggi_> yes
  428. [11:03:27] <thurbad> are you using xM or a CX board?
  429. [11:03:34] <Siggi_> i mean i'm on a notebook, but the beagleboard is close to me and is working...it is a bb mX
  430. [11:04:04] <thurbad> you can't plug in to the ethernet port?
  431. [11:05:43] <Siggi_> i can, but i have to authenticate myself to get internet access...unfortunately, i have no GUI running on the beagleboard with an internet browser...it would be great if i could authenticate myself with help of the console (perhaps with wget)
  432. [11:06:15] <thurbad> web based authentication?
  433. [11:07:48] <Siggi_> yes just a login area on the server
  434. [11:07:57] <thurbad> ah, hmmm
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  436. [11:09:20] <thurbad> you don't happen to have lynx on there do you ~.~
  437. [11:10:40] <Siggi_> unfortunately not -.-
  438. [11:10:41] <thurbad> not sure if wget can send can upload post/get arguements
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  440. [11:11:22] <Siggi_> i think it can, but i've no idea how...
  441. [11:12:15] <Siggi_> i just tried the arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc for cross compiling...just compiled a little hello world programm and it worked!
  442. [11:15:13] <thurbad> http://www.gnu.org/software/wget/manual/html_node/HTTP-Options.html according to this you can upload post arguments with --post-data
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  444. [11:16:24] <thurbad> as long as they're not doing anti-spoofing stuff in the login like security keys
  445. [11:17:14] <Siggi_> would be worth to try it
  446. [11:17:57] <thurbad> could at east take a look at the login source to determine wheat needs to be sent back
  447. [11:18:59] <thurbad> *at least
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  450. [11:30:53] <koen> good mornign all
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  452. [11:31:04] <Siggi_> i'll figure it out tomorrow...thank you very much for your help!
  453. [11:33:41] <Guest26439> does building angstrom image, required code sourcery to be installed properly?
  454. [11:33:53] <thurbad> nope
  455. [11:34:21] <Guest26439> ok..how is the kernel cross compiled in case of angstrom?
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  457. [11:34:24] <thurbad> oe has a cross compiling gcc compiler in one of it's recipes
  458. [11:34:34] <Guest26439> ok..
  459. [11:35:01] <thurbad> you do need a standard gcc installed correctly to start the process
  460. [11:35:17] <Guest26439> ok
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  462. [11:35:53] <thurbad> plus some other tools that it should prompt you for
  463. [11:36:40] <NotTooDumb3> it did not prompt me anything for till now, it has been running from around 6 to 7 hours
  464. [11:37:29] <thurbad> you may have everything it needs already installed then
  465. [11:38:14] <NotTooDumb3> in worst case, in case of very slow internet access, how long does this angstrom build take?
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  467. [11:40:18] <thurbad> dunno for sure... I've seen it take over half a day on a vm
  468. [11:40:32] <thurbad> ran out of memory a couple of times too
  469. [11:40:50] <NotTooDumb3> ok
  470. [11:41:27] <thurbad> when it runs out of memory it can just hang indefinitely :/
  471. [11:42:17] <NotTooDumb3> ok..it seems to be running for me now
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  477. [12:03:36] <Guest11071> is it not a problem if internet goes down while building angstrom? does it(angstrom build) resume again once internet starts working?
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  479. [12:06:27] <Crofton|work> it should resume
  480. [12:06:39] <Guest11071> ok..
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  482. [12:12:58] <koen> _av500_: is archos going to switch to tizen>
  483. [12:12:59] <koen> ?
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  485. [12:14:09] <_av500_> koen: if the chinese start pumping out android tablets using it, sure
  486. [12:14:39] <_av500_> koen: and its called "tits'en"
  487. [12:14:50] * ogra_ doesnt get it, why another webos port ?
  488. [12:15:06] <doublebeta> tits'en ass
  489. [12:18:08] <koen> _av500_: DDR is up on the new board, so I'll be at circuitco today to see if linux runs
  490. [12:18:19] <_av500_> koen: bring me one
  491. [12:18:53] <doublebeta> whinge at them (re Pandora) for me.
  492. [12:19:12] <_av500_> doublebeta: they outsource pandora to mexico
  493. [12:19:26] <_av500_> the mexicans to puerto rico
  494. [12:19:36] <doublebeta> I sure hope not, one of the things was supposed to be that it was all-US stuff
  495. [12:19:42] <doublebeta> unless that's recent news
  496. [12:20:03] <doublebeta> I suppose it's still 'all American', hey...
  497. [12:20:04] * _av500_ better not mention the mountain gorillas
  498. [12:20:05] <doublebeta> just not US :D
  499. [12:20:31] * doublebeta isn't trying to be patriotic - afterall, he's from Aus
  500. [12:32:57] <_av500_> koen: http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/3070/tizen.jpg
  501. [12:33:47] <koen> LOL
  502. [12:34:03] <doublebeta> LOL
  503. [12:34:44] <Crofton|work> ouch
  504. [12:34:54] <ogra_> yay, coolaid
  505. [12:35:05] <Crofton|work> you posting on G+
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  514. [12:52:50] <koen> I wonder what tizen will switch to after dumping html5
  515. [12:53:14] <koen> efl?
  516. [12:53:17] <koen> directfb?
  517. [12:53:27] <dm8tbr> koen: $next_buzzword
  518. [12:54:03] <dm8tbr> koen: that will of course only happen after the trainwreck is well underway, piles of money have been burned, ...
  519. [12:55:27] <koen> business as usual for maemo^H^H^^H^Hmeego^H^H^H^^Htizen
  520. [12:58:33] <_av500_> koen: intel
  521. [12:59:11] <doublebeta> please no.
  522. [12:59:15] <_av500_> by induction we could prove that samsung will have 50% the share price some time next year
  523. [12:59:29] <doublebeta> Intel is to blame for MUCH fail in the electronics/computing world :\
  524. [12:59:36] <koen> _av500_: I wonder if tizen is what raster is working on
  525. [12:59:47] * koen wonders how many linux projects samsung has
  526. [12:59:55] <koen> tizen, bada, android
  527. [13:00:31] <_av500_> koen: sec
  528. [13:01:19] <_av500_> <raster> '"hi. i'm raster. i seem to be the BDFL of e. i work at samsung electronics in the mobile r&d division where we work on and use EFL for making applications and mobile OS'S. no i don't work on android, bada, or wp7"'
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  530. [13:02:16] <koen> I knew he wasn't working n bada
  531. [13:10:45] <_av500_> he also denied again to work on fridges
  532. [13:11:42] <Crofton|work> what about bluetooth microwaves
  533. [13:12:59] <hitlin37_> bluetooth microwaves?what they do,tranfer songs between the two?
  534. [13:13:48] <ant_work> no, the cooking books
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  537. [13:18:24] <tasslehoff> the possibility to set musb in host-only mode in the kernel config gone in the 3.0-3.1rc kernel. is one meant to pass musb_board_data from the board file instead?
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  539. [13:20:28] <tasslehoff> bah. the git log talks about a "useless driver mode choice". well, it was useful for me.
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  541. [13:23:13] <sakoman_> koen: are there any public details about this new board?
  542. [13:24:48] <_av500_> sakoman_: its secret
  543. [13:24:55] <_av500_> that much is public
  544. [13:26:03] <hitlin37_> the 99$ board?
  545. [13:29:16] <doublebeta> wat, $99? Want.
  546. [13:29:33] <thurbad> lol
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  552. [13:46:49] <ant_work> koen: I read RP talks about transition of some old stuff out of OE-Core to meta-oe. What's that? The trash-bin?
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  554. [13:49:54] <doublebeta> FFF. Well my 32bit hex-output int printer works. Just backwards.
  555. [13:50:04] <doublebeta> 0x1337BEEF is printed as FEEB7331
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  557. [13:50:33] <doublebeta> I should probably start using GIT in case of nuclear apocalypse.
  558. [13:50:42] <thurbad> endianness?
  559. [13:50:48] <ant_work> doublebeta: doog ton
  560. [13:51:15] <doublebeta> .deedni
  561. [13:51:38] <doublebeta> thurbad: Someone else said that, I said perhaps, but then wouldn't every byte be swapped, not every nybble?
  562. [13:52:17] <thurbad> no, msb -lsb are all switched
  563. [13:52:54] <doublebeta> wouldn't that make it EFBE3713?
  564. [13:53:11] <doublebeta> I'll show you my algorithm
  565. [13:53:53] <doublebeta> http://paste2.org/p/1677087
  566. [13:54:01] * doublebeta searches 'itoa'
  567. [13:54:15] <doublebeta> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itoa
  568. [13:54:16] <doublebeta> ..
  569. [13:54:18] <doublebeta> DERP
  570. [13:54:25] <doublebeta> I gotta manually reverse the string
  571. [13:55:11] <thurbad> heh
  572. [13:55:26] <thurbad> or start at the other end :P
  573. [13:55:43] <doublebeta> any ideas on how?
  574. [13:55:58] <doublebeta> it's a mathematical algorithm and stuffs
  575. [13:57:01] <thurbad> I give itoa as a programming test to people I interview... most make that same mistake, although in C, not assembly
  576. [13:57:33] <doublebeta> Mm
  577. [13:57:53] <doublebeta> I'll just look up another, better C version and 'compile' it :D
  578. [13:58:14] <thurbad> you can determine the length of the string, easily... then start filling it in backwards
  579. [13:58:57] <doublebeta> The upside is that I can fix it to 8 bytes and then have it padded.
  580. [14:00:08] <doublebeta> Meh. Steal it from minix and pretend I never saw that non-GPL code :3
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  582. [14:00:19] <doublebeta> http://www.raspberryginger.com/jbailey/minix/html/itoa_8c-source.html
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  585. [14:02:14] <doublebeta> actually. No. I'll do it like you said. And use the stack. A good exercise.
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  587. [14:06:14] <doublebeta> okie. Nope.
  588. [14:06:26] <doublebeta> Try 2.
  589. [14:09:34] <doublebeta> well this is stupid. The stack will never work, since I'm pushing 32 bits at a time. Derp.
  590. [14:09:40] <doublebeta> Too used to 8 bit uCs
  591. [14:14:59] <doublebeta> whaa. Stack grows UP?
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  593. [14:15:03] <doublebeta> oh. No.
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  599. [14:42:32] <doublebeta> Anyone know if the stack pointer has to be word-aligned? Is it a full 32bit variable? I'm trying to figure out why my routine is crapping itself, and that's a potential reason. I decrement the stack by 1 on each loop, writing a byte each time
  600. [14:42:39] <doublebeta> so basically an 8bit push
  601. [14:44:15] <doublebeta> I'd just move sp into a new register, but then if an interrupt occured, by buffer would get trashed. If anyone would be willing to see my code, I can share it. Will be AGPL if I ever release the crap.
  602. [14:46:50] <mru> the stack pointer must be 4-byte aligned at all times
  603. [14:46:56] <mru> and 8-byte at external interfaces
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  605. [14:49:06] <doublebeta> dammit!. ah well
  606. [14:49:19] <doublebeta> I'll sub-12 and use a seperate register
  607. [14:49:41] <doublebeta> wastes 3 bytes but with 512MB of RAM I think it'll be fine ^_^
  608. [14:50:02] <mru> yes, round the space to a multiple of 4 and use another reg
  609. [14:50:07] <doublebeta> yup :)
  610. [14:50:13] <mru> that's how it's done
  611. [14:50:33] <doublebeta> that's a bummer. I suppose it simplifies CPU construction a _little_
  612. [14:50:41] <doublebeta> 2 less bits that need to be routed
  613. [14:50:55] <doublebeta> does sp have all 32-bits?
  614. [14:51:10] <doublebeta> I suppose THAT is chip dependant.
  615. [14:54:35] <doublebeta> Thankyou mru :D <3
  616. [14:54:59] <mru> oh, all the bits are there for sure
  617. [14:55:09] <mru> that's not the reason
  618. [14:56:07] <doublebeta> Works now :D. Could you please explain the reason? Imo it should always just get decremented by 4 and where it initially was wouldn't matter.
  619. [14:56:10] <doublebeta> ## Starting application at 0x80200000 ...
  620. [14:56:12] <doublebeta> !Welcome to DB/UX 0.01.
  621. [14:56:15] <doublebeta> 1337BEEFGoodbye!
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  625. [15:10:19] <mru> many load/store instructions require an aligned address
  626. [15:10:29] <mru> and all of them prefer aligned
  627. [15:11:15] <mru> so requiring it to always be aligned simplifies things
  628. [15:11:31] <mru> otherwise almost all functions would need to realign the stack before using it
  629. [15:12:33] <doublebeta> ah
  630. [15:14:08] <doublebeta> I suppose some counters wouldn't have the required bits in their integrated ALUs somewhere... something must have been actually causing the program to drop its brick load.
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  642. [15:47:13] <hieveryone> conneted my BB xm booted with ubuntu to broadband modem but it doesn't get connected to internet
  643. [15:47:36] <hieveryone> want to download x11vnc package to run vnc
  644. [15:47:51] <hieveryone> how to do it
  645. [15:48:47] <hieveryone> any idea?
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  647. [15:50:07] <hieveryone> hllo
  648. [15:51:44] <doublebeta> well, have you configured the modem first?
  649. [15:51:50] <doublebeta> or just sorta, let it sit there ;)
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  651. [15:53:13] <hieveryone> doublebeta:configuring modem?
  652. [15:53:38] <doublebeta> Well you said you connected a broadband modem, but it 'doesn't work'
  653. [15:54:14] <hieveryone> doublebeta:ya i connected my BB to modem through ethernet cable
  654. [15:54:20] <doublebeta> Ah.
  655. [15:54:37] <doublebeta> ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 on a termianl
  656. [15:54:39] <doublebeta> *terminal
  657. [15:55:22] <hieveryone> i dont have a display connecting to BB from my laptop through USB to serial
  658. [15:55:38] <hieveryone> should i do the same through minicom?
  659. [15:58:07] <hieveryone> doublebeta:ifdown: interface eth0 not configured
  660. [15:59:01] <doublebeta> Hm. Please post results of 'ifconfig', followed by 'cat /etc/network/interfaces'
  661. [16:00:11] <hieveryone> output of cat:
  662. [16:00:16] <hieveryone> auto lo iface lo inet loopback
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  664. [16:01:14] <hieveryone> doublebeta: what ip should i give to eth0?
  665. [16:01:59] <doublebeta> Just append the following to /etc/network/interfaces, using your favourite editor: http://paste2.org/p/1677250
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  668. [16:08:47] <hieveryone> doublebeta: rebooting..minicom shows corrupt..is it the way it happens once few mins happens after booting??am newbie
  669. [16:09:07] <doublebeta> Sometimes mine only shows corrupted crap too :<
  670. [16:09:15] <doublebeta> Unplug, replug, see what happens
  671. [16:11:39] <hieveryone> doublebeta: okie pls wait i will try
  672. [16:14:58] <hieveryone> doublebeta: written still same result
  673. [16:16:20] <doublebeta> Hmm. What do you mean same result? Should at least show up eth0 now
  674. [16:16:32] <doublebeta> 'ifconfig' please.
  675. [16:16:45] <hieveryone> it doesn't
  676. [16:17:16] <doublebeta> can you please cat your entire /etc/network/interfaces ?
  677. [16:17:22] <doublebeta> and pastebin please
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  679. [16:20:07] <hieveryone> doublebeta: http://pastebin.com/b4h52yu1
  680. [16:20:47] <hieveryone> my minicom is full of crap
  681. [16:20:58] <hieveryone> not able to view anything
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  683. [16:21:18] <doublebeta> Hmm. That isn't normal, I thought you meant just during boot.
  684. [16:21:26] <doublebeta> Is your cable connected right?
  685. [16:21:34] <doublebeta> just check it IS in all the way
  686. [16:21:59] <hieveryone> ya..
  687. [16:24:10] <doublebeta> ifup eth0 alone doesn't do anything?
  688. [16:25:02] <hieveryone> doublebeta: i unplugged and booted again now it says /dev/ttyusb0 no such device
  689. [16:25:43] <doublebeta> try /dev/ttyUSB1
  690. [16:26:36] <muriani> also make sure USB is capitals, linux is case sensitive.
  691. [16:26:57] <muriani> ttyusb0 isn't the same as ttyUSB0
  692. [16:27:00] <hieveryone> ya it worked
  693. [16:27:19] <doublebeta> you're connecting at 115200 baud, right?
  694. [16:27:22] <muriani> ok so it just went to USB1
  695. [16:27:28] <doublebeta> or do you mean, it completely works now
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  697. [16:27:38] <doublebeta> It went to USB1 because it thought USB0 was still connected
  698. [16:27:56] <vcs> whats the name of the angstrom packages with all the compiler stuff
  699. [16:28:03] <hieveryone> doublebeta: just logged in will check and say
  700. [16:28:14] <djlewis> task-native-sdk
  701. [16:28:17] <vcs> thanks
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  703. [16:28:59] <hieveryone> ifup: interface eth0 already configured
  704. [16:29:18] <doublebeta> whaaaaaat.
  705. [16:29:24] <muriani> dhclient eth0?
  706. [16:29:35] <doublebeta> Indeed, try ^
  707. [16:29:39] <doublebeta> actually, is net working?
  708. [16:29:43] <doublebeta> it might be now :P
  709. [16:30:42] <hieveryone> http://pastebin.com/HLPiUn6Z this is how my minicom looks always and after a while i am able to see only ascii
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  712. [16:31:27] <doublebeta> Hrrm. Is your climate particularly hot or cold?
  713. [16:31:39] <doublebeta> It looks like serial is dropping out of sync
  714. [16:31:53] <doublebeta> you're difinitely using 115200 baud, 8N1?
  715. [16:32:24] <hieveryone> normal climate only
  716. [16:33:01] <hieveryone> doublebeta: ya thats the setting in minicom
  717. [16:33:16] <hieveryone> and now its getting connected :) thanks
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  719. [16:36:08] <hieveryone> http://pastebin.com/Fc280MN6 my minicom with 115200 8N1 why this is like this
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  722. [16:37:05] <hieveryone> doublebeta:
  723. [16:37:06] <hieveryone> ??
  724. [16:37:27] <hieveryone> muriani:?
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  726. [16:37:37] <muriani> Dunno.
  727. [16:37:50] <doublebeta> We really don't know.
  728. [16:38:01] <muriani> Looks like some serial errors. Could be a bad USB-Serial adapter.
  729. [16:38:02] <doublebeta> We're betting it's the cable you're using.
  730. [16:38:14] <muriani> I don't have an xM myself, just a C3 board
  731. [16:38:14] <doublebeta> heh. Hazard.
  732. [16:38:50] <muriani> eh?
  733. [16:38:54] <doublebeta> I have an xM Rev C. Mine works fine, but if I play with the cable, the above can happen
  734. [16:39:06] <hieveryone> muriani : doublebeta : thanks but i use a standard one only
  735. [16:39:24] <muriani> hieveryone: standard one what, usb serial adapter?
  736. [16:39:29] <doublebeta> Hazard. When a threaded/multiproc system accesses the same thing at the same time. For example we both mentioned the cable at basically the same time.
  737. [16:39:43] <muriani> that doesn't make a difference, could still be a defect in the vable.
  738. [16:39:45] <hieveryone> muriani :i have installed x11vnc on BB how can i do vnc
  739. [16:39:47] <muriani> cable
  740. [16:40:06] <hieveryone> muriani : ya a usb to serial
  741. [16:40:25] <muriani> have you started the vncserver?
  742. [16:40:42] <hieveryone> nope
  743. [16:40:43] <muriani> and then you'd need a client on the desktop
  744. [16:40:55] <muriani> I haven't used vnc on the bb, myself
  745. [16:41:02] <doublebeta> sudo service vnc start, or similar
  746. [16:41:14] <muriani> or on linux at all, I think
  747. [16:41:18] <hieveryone> actually i am not able to view anything in minicom now and dont havee a display
  748. [16:41:31] <doublebeta> then install xvncviewer on your cient, and do 'xvncviewer <ip>:<port>'
  749. [16:41:39] <muriani> well, do you have the ip address for the bb?
  750. [16:41:39] <doublebeta> I've never done VNC on the BB either
  751. [16:41:46] <muriani> and do you have ssh installed?
  752. [16:41:48] <doublebeta> only setting up my KVM server :P.
  753. [16:42:06] <muriani> once you have that then you can forego the serial after the system boots.
  754. [16:42:35] <hieveryone> doublebeta : muriani: now should i disconnect my ethernet cable and connect it to my laptop and configure the ip of BB??
  755. [16:42:47] <doublebeta> No.
  756. [16:42:53] <muriani> remote access to my linux machines is usually accomplished well enough via ssh+X forwarding
  757. [16:43:18] <hieveryone> muriani: i dont know whether ssh is installed
  758. [16:43:18] <muriani> hieveryone: you need to have your IP configured via the serial, if possibly
  759. [16:43:28] <muriani> also, do you not have a router or switch?
  760. [16:43:44] <muriani> This will make any kind of networking a lot easier for you.
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  762. [16:43:55] <hieveryone> muriani : i have only a broadband modem
  763. [16:44:01] <hieveryone> no switch
  764. [16:44:03] <muriani> and the modem doesn't have a router, I assume
  765. [16:44:11] <muriani> just the one ethernet port on it?
  766. [16:44:35] <hieveryone> muriani : nope its a wi fi modem with 4 ethernet ports
  767. [16:44:44] <muriani> Oh
  768. [16:44:49] <muriani> those 4 ports are likely a switch.
  769. [16:45:04] <doublebeta> get another cable, or connect your laptop over wifi
  770. [16:45:04] <muriani> you can have both the bbxM and the laptop plugged into it
  771. [16:45:11] <muriani> or the laptop on wifi, right
  772. [16:45:34] <hieveryone> muriani : ya now i have my laptop connected via wifi and BB over ethernet
  773. [16:46:18] <vcs> after setting up the oe build environment, is there any easy way to cross compile things that are not already a bitbake recipie?
  774. [16:46:28] <muriani> then you just need to try serial communication again, boot and get your IP, and see if you have SSH installed,
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  776. [16:46:51] <hieveryone> ip in BB or my laptop?
  777. [16:46:55] <muriani> bb
  778. [16:47:23] <hieveryone> muriani : my BB and laptop both runs ubuntu 11.4
  779. [16:47:47] <muriani> oh
  780. [16:47:51] <muriani> you may have ssh already
  781. [16:48:03] <hieveryone> i think so
  782. [16:48:07] <muriani> you just need to run ifconfig on the bb and see what it says for your IP
  783. [16:48:27] <hieveryone> it says 192.168.1.2
  784. [16:48:41] <muriani> and then in a terminal on the laptop run ssh <username>@192.168.1.2
  785. [16:48:48] <muriani> replace with your username on the beagle
  786. [16:49:04] <muriani> enter your password, and you should have a console on the beagle you can do stuff with
  787. [16:49:46] <hieveryone> it says connection refused
  788. [16:50:27] <mru> did you set the please bit in the syn packet?
  789. [16:50:52] <hieveryone> muriani : it says connetion refused
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  791. [16:51:03] <hieveryone> mru: is it to me?
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  793. [16:52:17] <doublebeta> heh! nice mru
  794. [16:52:26] <muriani> hieveryone: on the bb try service ssh start
  795. [16:52:30] <muriani> and then try again
  796. [16:52:45] <doublebeta> if not, sudo aptitude install openssh-server
  797. [16:53:07] <muriani> lol mru
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  799. [16:54:25] <hieveryone> muriani: start ssh doesn't work
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  801. [16:55:04] <hieveryone> installing openssh-server
  802. [16:55:11] <muriani> that should do it
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  804. [16:56:34] <hieveryone> ya it works..but every time should i connet my BB to modem for ssh??
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  806. [17:02:21] <muriani> when you're doing that you're connecting to your internal network
  807. [17:02:24] <muriani> No harm in that
  808. [17:05:43] <hieveryone> muriani: okie :)
  809. [17:06:01] <muriani> Basically, your modem is also a router with a 4-port switch
  810. [17:06:24] <muriani> so anything plugged into those 4 ports will hvae a connection to the internet and to other machines on your network.
  811. [17:06:46] <doublebeta> You're behind what's called a NAT, so people on the internet can't connect to your beagleboard.
  812. [17:07:11] <doublebeta> But you should probably set a root and user password as soon as possible, if there isn't one set yet
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  817. [17:11:16] <muriani> if he's running ubuntu then root has no login
  818. [17:11:39] <muriani> should be ok on that front
  819. [17:12:31] <doublebeta> On normal ubuntu, yes. But when you go embedded, weird crap happens. So I wasn't sure about it, since I've only tried Debian and ??ngstr??m (I rm -rf /*'d ??ngstr??m after 5 minutes!)
  820. [17:12:51] <muriani> ah, true.
  821. [17:13:07] <muriani> I used angstrom a bit, but then I came from old OpenZaurus background
  822. [17:14:12] <doublebeta> I've preordered a Pandora, hopefully I won't get frustrated and rm -rf /* that. That'd be inconvinient.
  823. [17:14:21] <muriani> hahaha
  824. [17:14:32] <muriani> I'm kinda disappointed in the Pandora now
  825. [17:14:42] <muriani> took so long to come out that it's kinda obsolete :?
  826. [17:14:56] <doublebeta> It's not their fault
  827. [17:15:13] <doublebeta> In fact, it's mostly CircuitCo's. Oh, and the chinese case company
  828. [17:15:30] <muriani> yeah
  829. [17:15:32] <doublebeta> CircuitCo were too busy making BB-xMs for TI/Digikey to give a shit about Pandora, it seems :P
  830. [17:15:33] <muriani> I know
  831. [17:15:57] <doublebeta> then things fell hard when the nub crap happened, and CC left boards laying around too long, etc
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  833. [17:16:13] <muriani> just that OMAP3 was brand new when they started on it, and now it's kinda old hat, OMAP4 is the new hotness
  834. [17:16:32] <doublebeta> I'm in batch 2, so I'll get a board from Global Components (auf Deutschland), if all goes smoothly
  835. [17:16:39] <muriani> that's cool
  836. [17:16:52] <doublebeta> OMAP5 soon... hopefully it will be well documented! *cough*
  837. [17:16:54] <doublebeta> fat changce!
  838. [17:16:59] <doublebeta> *chance
  839. [17:17:06] <muriani> hahaha
  840. [17:17:15] <muriani> TI won't even have internal documentation
  841. [17:17:22] <doublebeta> eh?
  842. [17:17:22] <mru> it should if the trend set by omap3 and omap4 keeps up
  843. [17:17:32] <muriani> Engineers will be like "shit I dunno what this does"
  844. [17:17:41] <doublebeta> I just fucking wish for a well doc'd 2d blitter
  845. [17:17:42] <muriani> let's poke it and see!
  846. [17:17:49] <doublebeta> Documented PowerVR'd be nice too :P
  847. [17:17:53] <doublebeta> http://www.ti.com/ww/en/omap/omap5/omap5-OMAP5432.html
  848. [17:17:55] <muriani> yeah
  849. [17:18:07] <doublebeta> The dedicated blitter seperate from the GPU cores is a good sign
  850. [17:18:11] <mru> that's outside of TI's control
  851. [17:18:15] <doublebeta> Indeed.
  852. [17:18:22] <muriani> yeah, imgtec right?
  853. [17:18:25] <mru> yes
  854. [17:18:33] <doublebeta> PowerVR need to wake up and disclose at least how to use their shit
  855. [17:18:38] <doublebeta> Same goes for TI, in some parts
  856. [17:18:44] <mru> TI are pretty open
  857. [17:18:57] <muriani> zomg we must maintain tight control of this stuff because it's so amazing and earthshattering!
  858. [17:19:14] <doublebeta> And better/more readable docs'd be nice too. It's a bit hard to follow along. You'll probably tell me to 'man up princess', but look at Atmel's AVR docs. They're fabulous.
  859. [17:19:18] <mru> arm mali might have a chance of being more open
  860. [17:19:45] <mru> TI docs are fine
  861. [17:20:22] <muriani> lunchtime!
  862. [17:20:23] <muriani> brb
  863. [17:20:30] <doublebeta> What bothers me is that SoC devs don't seem to get that I don't want their HDL code, or their dyes (dies?), I just want damn docs.
  864. [17:20:48] <doublebeta> Still think they need to learn from Atmel :D
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  866. [17:21:08] <doublebeta> AVRs rule - just needs moar powars
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  868. [17:21:46] <doublebeta> I'm looking forward to the HW accelled crypto in the OMAP5 too
  869. [17:22:05] <doublebeta> HW Random Number Generator and AES... <3
  870. [17:22:11] <mru> *that* is something you probably won't get docs for
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  872. [17:22:20] <doublebeta> Eh? Fuck.
  873. [17:22:26] <doublebeta> US Export reasons?
  874. [17:22:32] <mru> something like that
  875. [17:22:33] <muriani> probably
  876. [17:22:41] <doublebeta> Because we know how the algos work now :P
  877. [17:22:47] <muriani> bugger, gotta wait another 10 min to leave
  878. [17:22:47] <mru> even the omap3 has some such things
  879. [17:22:55] <doublebeta> It...does?
  880. [17:23:00] * doublebeta looks in DS
  881. [17:23:06] <doublebeta> *datasheet
  882. [17:23:15] <mru> you won't find it in public docs
  883. [17:23:15] <doublebeta> oh
  884. [17:23:29] <doublebeta> omap3530/dm37x too?
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  886. [17:23:39] <mru> I'm not sure what chips have what exactly
  887. [17:23:56] <mru> having never seen any docs
  888. [17:24:17] <doublebeta> I spoke to a Digikey support member when I was trying to get my BB, and I mumbled something about HW crypto, he got a bit nervous I think..
  889. [17:24:38] <doublebeta> 'Can you please tell me what part number is causing the issue?'
  890. [17:24:50] <doublebeta> <Digikey BB No.>
  891. [17:25:01] <mru> yeah, digikey are paranoid about that stuff
  892. [17:25:05] <doublebeta> 'Ah. Crypto accel, huh. i thought the US got over that...'
  893. [17:25:31] <doublebeta> yeah, I wonder if it's pressure from the govt or what..
  894. [17:25:51] <_av500_> hw accelerate crypto is in omap3 and public
  895. [17:25:57] <doublebeta> Outlaw cryptography, and only outlaws (AND GOVT WORKERS - O WAIT SAME DIFF) will use it.
  896. [17:26:06] <_av500_> omap4 probably too
  897. [17:26:27] <doublebeta> Some docs on how to grab the RNG output, even, would be sweet.
  898. [17:26:42] <doublebeta> erm. Tho we probably don't have that.
  899. [17:26:49] <doublebeta> or a lot of OMAP5 stuff
  900. [17:26:55] <_av500_> at least the eas stuff is public
  901. [17:26:58] <_av500_> aes
  902. [17:27:04] <doublebeta> Who uses DES anymore? wtf
  903. [17:27:19] <_av500_> doublebeta: triple DES ftw
  904. [17:27:33] <mru> double rot13
  905. [17:27:41] <doublebeta> lol
  906. [17:27:44] <doublebeta> PLAINTEXT
  907. [17:28:00] <_av500_> doublebeta: export controlled
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  909. [17:28:13] <doublebeta> sigh. US, why u so stupid.
  910. [17:28:32] <doublebeta> We should make an awesome crypto algo and get everyone except the US to use it, until the US lightens up.
  911. [17:28:53] <cbrake> what is the best "demo" image for beagleboard based on oe-core?
  912. [17:29:02] <cbrake> I'm looking for something that includes a web browser
  913. [17:29:02] <doublebeta> But then they point nukes at us, hey. Can't win. Would you like to play a game?
  914. [17:29:03] <mru> aes is still considered awesome enough, no?
  915. [17:29:22] <doublebeta> cbrake: Did you get a bb-xM? did you get one with your bb-xM?
  916. [17:29:28] <doublebeta> aes is still used
  917. [17:30:00] <cbrake> doublebeta: I really need to build one -- I doubt the ones that came with my xM are based on oe-core
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  919. [17:31:12] <doublebeta> oh, sorry
  920. [17:31:27] <doublebeta> they probably aren't, missed that bit.
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  922. [17:33:21] <doublebeta> Look at USB stuff in Dm37x datasheet, "0____O", yeah it's bed time
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  924. [17:33:35] <doublebeta> 'I can see my same if I staaare at it!'
  925. [17:33:37] <doublebeta> *name
  926. [17:33:46] <doublebeta> Night all!
  927. [17:33:50] * doublebeta is now known as doublebeta-sleep
  928. [17:35:06] <doublebeta-sleep> Tomorrow: Configure virt memory/paging, perhaps write a scheduler (round robin, been there done that). Read from microSD. Make a start on USB.
  929. [17:35:56] <_av500_> doublebeta-sleep: and have the afternoon free
  930. [17:36:11] <doublebeta-sleep> Heh, not likely
  931. [17:36:31] <djlewis> step away from the keyboard
  932. [17:36:33] <doublebeta-sleep> more like 'spend all day hacking like hell on this paging cooooode'
  933. [17:38:57] <_av500_> btw, big haha, the EU wants to outlaw GaAs because As is poisonous
  934. [17:40:03] <doublebeta-sleep> Gallium-Arsenide... HMM for fast transistors? Lol silly EU
  935. [17:40:08] * djlewis wonders how much scrapeing it would take to get a dose
  936. [17:40:19] <doublebeta-sleep> not like you go around eating ICs all day
  937. [17:40:47] <doublebeta-sleep> Plastic is a carcinogen, in case some moron eats it, we should ban it.
  938. [17:41:02] <doublebeta-sleep> "Life is dangerous, it must be put to a stop."
  939. [17:41:40] <doublebeta-sleep> hm. Night4Real. Have a nice day, pups.
  940. [17:41:40] <emeb> _av500_: I suppose that the As & P used to dope Si semiconductors doesn't count?
  941. [17:41:52] <_av500_> doublebeta-sleep: and think about dihydrogenmonoxide
  942. [17:41:55] <_av500_> its deadly
  943. [17:41:59] <doublebeta-sleep> omg yes
  944. [17:42:07] <emeb> Hydrogen - oh, the humanity.
  945. [17:42:08] <mru> and it's *everywhere*
  946. [17:42:16] <_av500_> or 100% pure O2
  947. [17:42:17] <doublebeta-sleep> Been at the scene of every single gun crime
  948. [17:42:37] <doublebeta-sleep> In the blood stream of every drug abuser
  949. [17:42:52] <doublebeta-sleep> (well hmm, idk, is there H2O in your blood?)
  950. [17:42:58] <emeb> guns don't kill people - oxygen does.
  951. [17:43:03] <_av500_> most of the lol is that its not backed up by clinical studies, but by induction, As makes cancer, GaAs has As, GaAs makes cancer too
  952. [17:43:05] <doublebeta-sleep> (I suppose there's _sum)
  953. [17:43:08] <doublebeta-sleep> *_some_
  954. [17:43:18] <doublebeta-sleep> Lol!
  955. [17:43:26] <doublebeta-sleep> well, there's many things that are dangerous alone
  956. [17:43:45] <doublebeta-sleep> Aluminium, in its pure state, is dangerous as hell
  957. [17:43:54] <doublebeta-sleep> That shiz will give you caner.
  958. [17:43:56] <doublebeta-sleep> *cancer.
  959. [17:44:00] <doublebeta-sleep> It'll also blow you to bits.
  960. [17:44:12] <doublebeta-sleep> It'll probably oxidise first.
  961. [17:44:13] <mru> uh, explain
  962. [17:44:28] <doublebeta-sleep> Pure aluminium is exremely reactive
  963. [17:44:34] <mru> most aluminium items are fairly pure
  964. [17:44:41] <mru> of course there's an oxide coating on it
  965. [17:44:42] <doublebeta-sleep> idk exactly how, perhaps I exagerated.
  966. [17:44:44] <mru> forms instantly in air
  967. [17:44:47] <doublebeta-sleep> Indeed
  968. [17:44:51] <doublebeta-sleep> that's why it's harmless
  969. [17:45:21] <mru> aluminium ions in water can be bad
  970. [17:45:29] <_av500_> finelly ground
  971. [17:45:37] <mru> for water-dwelling critters, that is
  972. [17:46:03] <_av500_> mru: btw, one of the googlers here told your canoe joke
  973. [17:46:04] <mru> but I've never heard of anyone being hurt by working metallic aluminium
  974. [17:46:27] <_av500_> working it into their head?
  975. [17:46:30] <mru> actually not true, I cut my finger on a piece of it once
  976. [17:46:35] <doublebeta-sleep> We put fluoride into our water. Isn't that a free radical?
  977. [17:46:52] <_av500_> doublebeta-sleep: quick, tell the DHS
  978. [17:46:56] <doublebeta-sleep> Heh!
  979. [17:46:58] * mru likes his fluorite lens elements
  980. [17:47:16] <mdp> DHS puts it in the water for mind control
  981. [17:47:19] <_av500_> mru: older canon lenses had thorium elements
  982. [17:48:18] <doublebeta-sleep> So did candle mantles. Nuke fuel -- just add lithium.
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  984. [17:48:54] <doublebeta-sleep> oh wow. I'm still up. I said I was going to bed an hour ago. Niiiight!
  985. [17:49:04] <doublebeta-sleep> ->screen detached<-
  986. [17:49:21] <_av500_> doublebeta-sleep: keepalive ping
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  1029. [20:38:45] <flyer-xplorer> what files need to be on the first image on the SD card for the BBxm to boot?
  1030. [20:38:50] <flyer-xplorer> just uImage?
  1031. [20:40:10] <thurbad> MLO first, u-boot ,bin second
  1032. [20:40:16] <djlewis> its all here... http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginner
  1033. [20:40:36] <flyer-xplorer> unfortunately that is an empty wiki page
  1034. [20:40:49] <ds2> it is THAT easy
  1035. [20:40:58] * jluisn (~quassel@187.115.172.24) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
  1036. [20:40:58] <flyer-xplorer> awesome. Ill go DIAF now
  1037. [20:41:03] <jkridner> djlewis: can you take a read over http://beagleboard.org/static/boston2011/beagleboard101 some time?
  1038. [20:41:26] <_av500_> 404
  1039. [20:41:30] <jkridner> er, make that http://beagleboard.org/static/presentations/boston2011/beagleboard101/#(1)
  1040. [20:42:34] <flyer-xplorer> so what is the MLO?
  1041. [20:42:35] <djlewis> so it is an empty page, funny i got to it from beagleboard.org
  1042. [20:43:19] <djlewis> uh-oh, jkridner 's giving homework ;)
  1043. [20:43:37] <jkridner> trying to share my homework....
  1044. [20:43:41] <jkridner> already gave the presentation....
  1045. [20:43:42] <_av500_> jkridner: slides 19+20 render strange on the 1st bullets
  1046. [20:43:51] <jkridner> would have better to review *before* turning it in....
  1047. [20:44:03] <jkridner> but, I want to try to clean it up for answers in places like this. :)
  1048. [20:44:24] <jkridner> which browser?
  1049. [20:44:32] <_av500_> FF
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  1051. [20:45:17] <koen> jkridner: check your beagleboard mail
  1052. [20:45:27] <jkridner> yeah, I see it in FF now.
  1053. [20:45:34] <jkridner> Doesn't show in Chrome.
  1054. [20:45:34] <djlewis> jkridner: has room for every BB model on slide 3
  1055. [20:45:40] <jkridner> koen: checking.
  1056. [20:46:31] <jkridner> koen: thank you for that smile!!
  1057. [20:46:45] <koen> :)
  1058. [20:47:03] <thurbad> MLO is what gets the system ready for u-boot
  1059. [20:49:41] <_av500_> MLO is what one enters into the google search field :)
  1060. [20:50:05] <thurbad> :P
  1061. [20:50:12] * Russ "Compatibility:101% OEM Compatible"
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  1063. [20:56:45] <jkridner> djlewis: I tried to scale up the image a bit, but it seems to be too low-res. I'll try to look for a higher resolution image.
  1064. [20:58:48] <jkridner> _av500_: thanks, I think I fixed the funny characters.
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  1066. [21:02:47] <djlewis> overall very nice jkridner
  1067. [21:10:34] <djlewis> jkridner: i was only joking about slide 3 :)
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  1069. [21:15:19] * ds2 gets out the fine tooth comb for the slides
  1070. [21:15:20] <ds2> ;)
  1071. [21:16:56] <ds2> caveat - some laptop SD card slots show up as mmcblk0 just like on the beagle
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  1074. [21:19:08] <ds2> jkridner: other then the different naming on some laptops, the rest looks good.
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  1078. [21:25:36] <vcs> wow, i should have used openembedded to build my kernel all along
  1079. [21:25:40] * vcs slaps himself
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  1083. [21:29:48] * djlewis slaps vcs
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  1085. [21:37:58] <vcs> but on the bright side
  1086. [21:38:06] <vcs> 3 commands gives you a kernel and a minimal fs
  1087. [21:38:09] <vcs> that is sweet.
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  1089. [21:45:46] * djlewis needs to go back to using it too
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  1095. [22:10:19] <dan____> Hi I need help with my beagle. I built an android gingerbread and the transition of windows is bad
  1096. [22:11:34] <dan____> and how to accelerate my graphics in android using opengl?
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  1099. [22:22:15] <flukenstrug> Does the demo version of Angstrom include drivers for accessing the stereo jacks in/out?
  1100. [22:22:47] <flyer-xplorer> you mean ALSA drivers? i believe so
  1101. [22:23:11] <flyer-xplorer> yes
  1102. [22:23:16] <djlewis> a recent narcissus build does
  1103. [22:23:48] <flyer-xplorer> the 2008.1 release (release 2011.03) enables the drivers by default
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  1105. [22:24:41] <flukenstrug> Is there a test for the jacks that I can do?
  1106. [22:26:04] <thurbad> aplay? and arecord for in?
  1107. [22:26:27] <thurbad> or are you trying to test something else?
  1108. [22:29:13] <flyer-xplorer> i have tone.c around here soemwhere
  1109. [22:29:24] <flukenstrug> Will I am seeing if I have use them without adding drivers or other software. I will use digital signal processing on audio for a project.
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  1111. [22:42:28] <flukenstrug> The Angstrom I am using is Circuitco demo 4_25 version on wiki.
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  1113. [22:46:58] <flukenstrug> Can someone point me to some resources or examples of using the audio jacks in C/C++ or reading that I should do?
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  1115. [22:51:36] <flyer-xplorer> generically, or in linux?
  1116. [22:52:50] <flyer-xplorer> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6735, http://www.suse.de/~mana/alsa090_howto.html
  1117. [22:55:40] <flukenstrug> For linux is fine. Could I also have a link to the newer narcissus Angstrom build? Thanks.
  1118. [22:56:16] <flyer-xplorer> i dont have the narcissus link. I am building from source via OE
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  1120. [22:57:58] <flukenstrug> Ok thanks, I know open embedded.
  1121. [23:02:02] <djlewis> http://narcissus.angstrom-distribution.org/ see if this link works ;)
  1122. [23:03:13] <djlewis> later . . .
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  1124. [23:04:16] <flukenstrug> awesome thanks djlewis :)
  1125. [23:07:18] <flukenstrug> Thanks everyone :) later
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