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IRC Log for 2011-12-23

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[00:06:23] <aholler> after having compiled it myself to see what you mean, it took me a while to understand it.
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[00:23:29] <aholler> so I killed the fun by accident ;)
[00:24:31] <rlmccormick> anyone have any luck with any usb wifi dongles?
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[00:37:13] <rmoriz> someone runs ubuntu on a beaglebone?
[00:37:34] <rcn-ee> yeah. ;)
[00:39:28] <rmoriz> ah nice. i've a question for you ;)
[00:39:34] <rmoriz> i'm running your latest demo image
[00:39:54] <rmoriz> and i received a edimax wifi adapter today that requires a custom module to build
[00:40:20] <rcn-ee> realtek by chance?
[00:40:42] <rmoriz> yes
[00:40:44] <rmoriz> make: *** /lib/modules/3.1.0-psp2/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
[00:41:04] <rmoriz> because: /lib/modules/3.1.0-psp2/build -> /build/buildd/linux-3.1 ;)
[00:41:57] <rcn-ee> easiest thing to do is clone a 3.1 tree at /build/buildd/linux-3.1 apply my patch and copy the defconfig in...
[00:41:58] <rmoriz> looks like i need to compile a kernel myself to get the sources?
[00:42:27] <rmoriz> from http://arago-project.org/git/projects/?p=linux-am33x.git;a=summary ?
[00:42:44] <rcn-ee> rmoriz, what's your lsusb with that adapter?
[00:43:11] <rmoriz> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 7392:7811 Edimax Technology Co., Ltd EW-7811Un 802.11n Wireless Adapter [Realtek RTL8188CUS]
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[00:43:40] <rmoriz> getting strange modprobe timeout with the installed driver :/
[00:43:41] <rcn-ee> rmoriz, same exact one i just patched.. (they are nice small modules)
[00:43:54] <rmoriz> yes they are.
[00:43:54] <rcn-ee> rmoriz, https://github.com/RobertCNelson/linux-dev/commit/1152689f691c1cd76d9bd54825d1145b77dd746b
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[00:44:40] <rmoriz> do you already have an updated kernel-image?
[00:44:44] <rcn-ee> i backported the rtlwifi driver from v3.2-rc6 to get mine to work.. new images (psp3) should be out in a few hours, otherwise i'm planing to push new demo images tomorrrow..
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[00:45:21] <rmoriz> awesome :)
[00:46:11] <rmoriz> wonder how good the reception is with those small adapters
[00:46:24] <rcn-ee> rmoriz, i do have a test image if you'd like to verify it works.. (you'd have to downlaod it first and copy to the sd card on the bone.. ) http://rcn-ee.net/deb/cross/v3.1.0-psp3/linux-image-3.1.0-psp3_1.0cross_armel.deb
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[00:47:42] <ds2> thought the RTL driver is in staging already?
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[00:47:46] <ds2> did that get removed?
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[00:48:10] <rmoriz> rcn-ee: downloading...
[00:48:50] <rmoriz> rcn-ee: hm very low speed. 15kb/s or sth
[00:50:55] <rcn-ee> it's dreamhost, it varires during the day...
[00:51:29] <rmoriz> 5kb/s
[00:51:34] <rmoriz> stalled??? really bad hm
[00:51:49] <rmoriz> tried it from 2 servers (US + Germany + my DSL at home)
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[00:53:04] <rmoriz> looks like dreamhost has issues/DoS https://gist.github.com/4b813d6027156a5ed4fc
[00:53:07] <rcn-ee> yeah, it's getting hammered by something, only 80k here, usually it's 4/500..
[01:01:18] <rmoriz> what does this psp mean btw?
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[01:02:26] <ds2> Platform Support Package
[01:02:49] <rmoriz> ah. not playstation portable ;)
[01:02:55] <ds2> alas, no.
[01:03:15] <rmoriz> installed. rebooting
[01:03:59] <rcn-ee> it's based of ti's "psp" tree, where i stole the patches from.. ;)
[01:04:10] <rmoriz> a looks like i need to flask-kernel..
[01:04:40] <rmoriz> "flash-kernel 3.1.0-psp3" => "Unsupported platform." :/
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[01:05:19] <rcn-ee> rmoriz, yeah... you need to:
[01:05:28] <rcn-ee> sudo mkimage -A arm -O linux -T kernel -C none -a 0x80008000 -e 0x80008000 -n 3.1-psp2 -d /boot/vmlinuz-3.1.0-psp2 /boot/uboot/uImage
[01:05:38] <rcn-ee> (psp2 -> psp3 of course)
[01:05:59] <rcn-ee> and: sudo mkimage -A arm -O linux -T ramdisk -C none -a 0 -e 0 -n initramfs -d /boot/initrd.img-3.1.0-psp3 /boot/uboot/uInitrd
[01:06:42] <rcn-ee> (it'll be awhile for upstream 'ubuntu' will understand what the beaglebone is..)
[01:06:44] <rmoriz> ok. rebootet. now getting some ". FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/3.1.0-psp3/modules.dep: No such file or directory" erros on boot, but finishes
[01:07:02] <rcn-ee> sudo depmod should take care of that..
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[01:08:50] <rmoriz> hm
[01:09:00] <rcn-ee> better/worse?
[01:09:17] <rmoriz> same actually. getting modprobe timeouts and can't find the device :/
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[01:10:30] <rmoriz> removed stick, now getting flodded with "rtlwifi" messages
[01:13:11] <rcn-ee> that's disappointing as that's as bleeding edge as that driver gets..
[01:16:09] <rmoriz> hm still complaining about missing /lib/modules/3.1.0-psp3/modules.dep when rebooting
[01:16:23] <rmoriz> do i need to recreate an initrd?
[01:16:54] <rcn-ee> do be safe i would.. i have a script under /boot/uboot/tools/update_boot(something..)...
[01:17:29] <rmoriz> ah. i missed something. sorry :(
[01:17:35] <rcn-ee> /bin/bash /boot/uboot/tools/update_boot_files.sh
[01:18:03] <rmoriz> i think i forgot the initrd because i was too quick doing the first one and not reading your complete response ;)
[01:18:24] <rcn-ee> normally it'd would work anyways...
[01:19:35] <rmoriz> ok the modules.dep errors are fixed
[01:21:36] <rmoriz> do you know what's the reason for "init: ureadahead main process (164) terminated with status 5" is? i got this with your psp2, too
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[01:22:06] <rcn-ee> ubuntu's looking for some secret sauce at boot in the kernel.. ;)
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[01:23:57] <rcn-ee> btw, if your annoyed with the 2min delay on startup, i just worked around that today.. (if you don't have a network cable connected to the bone)..
[01:25:56] <rmoriz> https://gist.github.com/d15aa4f4f52222611781
[01:26:30] <rmoriz> i had to wait because i've already auto-ed the wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces
[01:26:46] <rmoriz> but i was already able to connect via ssh
[01:26:51] <rmoriz> (over eth0)
[01:27:10] <rcn-ee> that's better then it use to be.. still not good...
[01:29:04] <rmoriz> with the old kernel i saw some info on dmesg
[01:29:11] <rmoriz> that's gone now. like chipset + serial
[01:29:34] <rmoriz> disregard
[01:30:13] <rmoriz> https://gist.github.com/ce590629949446e8b6ca
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[01:31:57] <ths> hello !
[01:32:13] <ths> I need to make small streaming nomad solution
[01:32:27] * Russ_ is now known as Russ
[01:32:36] <ths> and i need a good CPU, memory and compatibility with Ubuntu / Debian
[01:32:49] <ths> is the new Pandaboard ES ok, to do that ?
[01:32:56] * Russ is attempting to repurpose his beagleboard as a svideo mythfrontend
[01:33:08] <ths> can i switch the boot to USB extern disk ?
[01:33:32] <ths> exist a solution to connect SSD Disk ?
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[01:33:41] <ths> (for lower consumption )
[01:35:25] <rmoriz> rcn-ee: do you have such a wifi stick yourself?
[01:35:32] <rmoriz> rcn-ee: does it work for you?
[01:37:13] <tlab> my bone boots in like 5 secs, no delays at startup.. no network cable connected either
[01:37:29] <rmoriz> tlab: angstrom or ubuntu?
[01:37:35] <tlab> angstrom
[01:37:38] <rmoriz> ;)
[01:38:05] <rmoriz> i bet your eth0 won't get "upped" even if a cable is present ;)
[01:38:56] <tlab> what?
[01:39:06] <tlab> I had it on the network just fine yesterday
[01:40:01] <tlab> my bone came with 2 4G cards, did yours?
[01:40:03] <rmoriz> interesting. i never got my interfaces activated on boot on angstrom
[01:40:03] <rcn-ee> rmoriz, very limited testing: Bus 001 Device 008: ID 0846:9041 NetGear, Inc. WNA1000M 802.11bgn [Realtek RTL8188CUS] (only had enough time to make sure the modules loaded.. didnt' have any free time to test the wifi)
[01:40:07] <rmoriz> tlab: yes
[01:40:41] <rmoriz> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 7392:7811 Edimax Technology Co., Ltd EW-7811Un 802.11n Wireless Adapter [Realtek RTL8188CUS]
[01:40:56] <rmoriz> hm
[01:41:12] <tlab> I'm just using the usb cable now, just trying to get the bone to network thru the usb
[01:41:20] <tlab> I can ping it from my host pc
[01:41:52] <tlab> but it can't get on the net, I think I need to bridge a connection on my host pc
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[01:42:35] <rmoriz> which os on the pc?
[01:43:02] <tlab> ubuntu
[01:43:17] <rmoriz> rcn-ee: i'
[01:43:23] <rmoriz> rcn-ee: i'm seeing this https://gist.github.com/49e5db9ac10e36111151
[01:45:21] <rmoriz> tlab: you read this already? http://beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/a3/README.htm#g_ether
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[01:46:22] <rmoriz> rcn-ee: just found that via google: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-wireless/msg80370.html
[01:47:13] <tlab> rmoriz, yea I've read that, i can ping the board, and the board can ping the host, but can't get to the internet
[01:48:10] <rmoriz> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/forwarding ?
[01:48:42] <tlab> on host or bone?
[01:48:44] <rmoriz> host
[01:49:07] <rmoriz> i use osx as host (and a ubuntu vm to flash sd)
[01:49:37] <rmoriz> i've a dhcpd running on osx (called "internet sharing" ;) and i changed the usb0 device on the bone to act as a dhcp client
[01:50:16] <rmoriz> i probably want to ping 8.8.8.8 from the bone b/c maybe dns lookup is broken
[01:50:20] <rmoriz> s/i/you/
[01:50:24] <tlab> permission denied, even with sudo
[01:51:02] <rmoriz> weird.
[01:51:09] <tlab> sudo su
[01:51:12] <tlab> that worked
[01:51:41] <rmoriz> can you ping 8.8.8.8 from the bone?
[01:52:48] <tlab> no
[01:53:21] <rmoriz> hm you probably need some iptables/NAT settings on your host
[01:53:40] <tlab> I can ping 192.168.7.2 and 192.168.7.1
[01:53:54] <tlab> not sure where 8.8.8.8 comes in at
[01:54:29] <rmoriz> 8.8.8.8 is google's public dns recurser
[01:54:40] <rmoriz> ip is easy to remember, that's why ...
[01:55:01] <tlab> oh
[01:55:10] <tlab> well ya I can't access the internet from the bone
[01:55:12] <rmoriz> sudo iptables -A FORWARD -o eth0 <= on host?
[01:55:30] <rmoriz> if eth0 is your hosts' uplink
[01:56:04] <rmoriz> but it seems i forgot how to configure NAT on linux after some years :-(
[01:57:02] <rmoriz> ah there's a tutorial http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1582862.html
[01:58:20] <rmoriz> hm isn't iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE enough?
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[01:59:00] <rmoriz> you probably want to google how to configure NAT on ubuntu. it's nothing beaglebone specific
[01:59:36] <tlab> so NAT will route from the eth1 to my wlan0 ?
[02:00:28] <rmoriz> you said usb?
[02:00:46] <rmoriz> your host is connected to the internet via ???? wlan? usb?
[02:00:50] <rmoriz> ethernet? ;)
[02:01:11] <tlab> host is using wlan0
[02:01:26] <tlab> eth1 is host to bone
[02:01:30] <rmoriz> ok than you need to do a NAT between wlan0 and usb0 (or what the usb networking device on the host is called)
[02:02:02] <rmoriz> so you have ethernet from bone to host, aswell?
[02:02:12] <tlab> eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr d4:94:a1:2b:93:99
[02:02:14] <tlab> inet addr:192.168.7.1 Bcast:192.168.7.3 Mask:255.255.255.252
[02:02:29] <tlab> no ethernet from bone to host
[02:02:58] <tlab> when you eject the sd card on the host from the bone, a network over usb is created
[02:03:06] <rmoriz> not sure how the host side interface is called. maybe it's eth1 ok
[02:03:18] <rmoriz> yes. that's eth1?
[02:03:23] <tlab> yup
[02:03:26] <rmoriz> ok :)
[02:03:46] <tlab> on the bone it says inet addr: 192.168.7.2 Bcast:192.168.7.3
[02:04:03] <rmoriz> so you want to keep that 192.168.7.1/ 192.168.7.2 and NAT this network to your wlan0 network
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[02:04:29] <rmoriz> have you tried: sudo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE
[02:04:49] <tlab> not yet
[02:05:21] <rmoriz> do you have other iptables rules? firewall etc?
[02:06:09] <rmoriz> iirc the default is empty/none
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[02:06:41] <tlab> this is a fresh install of ubuntu 10.04 LTS
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[02:12:35] <rmoriz> rcn-ee: have you already included that patches?
[02:13:59] <rcn-ee> yeah sorry, was on the phone.. just booting the psp3 with my wpa settings at the moment.. ;)
[02:14:20] <rmoriz> :)
[02:15:34] <rmoriz> rcn-ee: i'm not sure about the endian issues???maybe they're related? http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-wireless/msg80370.html
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[02:19:23] <rcn-ee> weird, i got a ipv6 address, it's showing up on wifi router as a device.. no ipv4.. ;)
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[02:19:55] <rmoriz> does it show as an device on your beaglebone?
[02:20:51] <rmoriz> did you have to download some binary firmware or sth?
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[02:21:38] <rcn-ee> rmoriz, this is what i'm seeing.. (just the same demo image, with psp3) http://pastebin.com/EetL8t2Q
[02:22:19] <rmoriz> which wpa extension did you use? -D wext?
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[02:22:29] <rmoriz> wpa_supplicant ...
[02:23:30] <rcn-ee> i'm useing wpa2 personal.. key_mgmt=WPA-PSK pairwise=CCMP TKIP group=CCMP TKIP in my wpa-conf..
[02:24:48] <rmoriz> re
[02:25:09] <rmoriz> i just copied the wpa_supplicant.conf from my ubuntu pandaboard
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[02:28:11] <rcn-ee> just ssh'ed over wifi, it's very slow..
[02:29:05] <rmoriz> hm now it doesn't even load the modules
[02:31:03] <rmoriz> manual modprobe loads it
[02:31:38] <rcn-ee> and on the next reboot, no longer there.. ;)
[02:31:41] <rmoriz> but no device available
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[02:33:24] <rmoriz> no wireless extensions. ...
[02:33:25] <rcn-ee> and on the next reboot... it exist's.. and i get a ip.. ;) talk about crap drivers.. ;)
[02:34:03] <rmoriz> what do you have in your /etc/modules ?
[02:34:16] <rmoriz> just rtl8192cu ?
[02:34:48] <rcn-ee> i have: http://pastebin.com/peTMqWdD
[02:35:54] <rmoriz> so you don't manually require them in /etc/modules ?
[02:36:37] <rcn-ee> nope, didn't touch /etc/modules... just installed the *.deb, reloaded the uImage/uInitrd and rebooted (a few times, seems 50/50 weither it comes up or not)
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[02:41:58] <rmoriz> hm maybe it's about the vendor/product id?
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[02:42:10] <rmoriz> that the edimax vendor id is not known yet?
[02:42:15] <rcn-ee> i checked your's it's on the list..
[02:42:22] <rmoriz> ok
[02:43:07] <rcn-ee> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=blob;f=drivers/net/wireless/rtlwifi/rtl8192cu/sw.c;h=c244f2f1b83fb6658569cd545ac37ec3a2772a18;hb=HEAD#l321
[02:43:08] <rmoriz> https://gist.github.com/76235e6cdd89606f9804
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[02:43:41] <rcn-ee> try reseting it again, that's what mine looks like when it doesn't come up on boot..
[02:44:05] <rcn-ee> it may just be a crappy driver, we will just have to keep following their patch tree..
[02:44:19] <rmoriz> 943e9b714a926e630b8152d7aad91d2e /lib/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin
[02:45:11] <rcn-ee> 943e9b714a926e630b8152d7aad91d2e rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin
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[02:46:10] <rmoriz> i power cycled + resettet serveral times
[02:46:13] <rmoriz> disconnect otg usb
[02:46:16] <rmoriz> nothing
[02:46:26] <rmoriz> i'm running on a DC adapter
[02:46:27] <rcn-ee> wonder if there is new version of the fw in the git tree...
[02:46:33] <rmoriz> so power can't be an issue
[02:46:39] <rcn-ee> i'm over usb..
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[02:50:45] <rmoriz> hm
[02:51:18] <rcn-ee> nope same..
[02:53:09] <rmoriz> you're booting with the adapter already plugged in, right?
[02:53:37] <rcn-ee> correct
[02:53:45] <rmoriz> and only otg usb?
[02:54:41] <rcn-ee> correct...
[02:54:53] <rcn-ee> weird on that reboot, i'm actually pinging google.com thru the wifi..
[02:55:23] <rmoriz> it's not your usb over ethernet connection?
[02:55:27] <rcn-ee> i had disconnected it, pluged into my x86, associated, removed, then put back in the bone, before i rebooted..
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[02:55:44] <rmoriz> mine is brand new
[02:55:47] <rmoriz> out of the box hm
[02:56:01] <rcn-ee> the usb is serial only.. (i don't have the ip sharing setup on this)..
[02:56:05] <rmoriz> hm it hangs now after boot...
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[02:56:32] <rcn-ee> mine too.. i'm thinking it's just the driver, not enough people/bugs reports for the developers of this wifi adapter..
[02:58:00] <rmoriz> ok. it's already 4am localtime :(
[02:58:21] <rmoriz> i'll nuke the sd and try over
[02:58:26] <rmoriz> but not now
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[03:00:06] <rcn-ee> rmoriz, i'm going to pull these too and give it some more go: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/linville/wireless-next.git;a=history;f=drivers/net/wireless/rtlwifi;hb=HEAD
[03:01:32] <rmoriz> hm i've another zd12 based wifi
[03:03:51] <rmoriz> wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:11:e2:01:f6:73 ??? that one works with the identical config
[03:03:53] <rmoriz> hrm
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[03:05:20] <rmoriz> ok. sorry. have to catch some short sleep
[03:05:30] <rmoriz> thanks for your help. I'll try again later today
[03:05:57] <rmoriz> cu
[03:06:34] <rcn-ee> not a problem, laters..
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[10:58:55] <koen> GStreamer: Entire pipeline is appsrc caps="video/x-h264, width=(int)1280, height=(int)720, framerate=(fraction)1000000000/41708333, codec_data=(buffer)01640029ffe1001767640029acd9805005ba1000003e90000b
[10:58:59] <koen> b808f18319a001000668e9787cf23c" name="AppSrc" ! decodebin2 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! appsink caps="video/x-raw-yuv,format=(fourcc)I420" name="AppSink"
[10:59:15] <koen> I'm going to guess that this pipeline isn't going to make xbmc faster than ffmpeg + sgx shaders
[11:00:20] <av500> ffmpegcolorspace, lol
[11:01:25] <av500> h264 720p....
[11:03:20] <koen> robclark has some patches to short circuit the decoder output into the sgx
[11:03:33] <koen> but that needs some patches to the sgx libs
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[11:07:10] <av500> koen: that still does not help with "real" h264 720p
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[11:14:34] <koen> av500: right, I'm after smooth SD playback, that sample was the wrong one
[11:15:00] <koen> but still, it illustrates that topfs2 needs some talking to about ffmpegcolourspace usage :)
[11:18:00] <av500> koen: well, you can use cogcolorspace now, which has been proven to never be slower than ffmpegcolourspace
[11:18:33] <av500> koen: didnt topfs2 add overlay support?
[11:18:47] <av500> so you can go libav->v4l2, done
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[11:21:22] <ths> Hello, i still to install my beagleboard xm ...
[11:21:35] <koen> av500: I haven't tried to forward port the overlay code from SoC branch to eden
[11:21:46] <ths> i try to install debian with this: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian
[11:21:53] <woglinde> hiho
[11:22:01] <ths> i don't understand something
[11:22:21] <ths> after this step: sudo ./mk_mmc.sh --mmc /dev/sdX --uboot beagle_xm --distro squeeze
[11:22:36] <av500> koen: eden? the end is near?
[11:22:41] <ths> what it must do ?
[11:22:57] <ths> i try to put the mmc in beagle but no image in screen
[11:23:05] <woglinde> apocalypse
[11:23:24] <ths> Where is the "choose language" step ?
[11:23:58] <av500> with steel drums?
[11:25:37] * LetoThe2nd would prefer meatl drums.
[11:25:44] <LetoThe2nd> metal. even
[11:25:52] <av500> apocalyptica then
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[11:26:21] <LetoThe2nd> heh yeah
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[11:30:43] <amossam> i currently have gcc flags set like this: -CFLAGS=???-O2 -pipe -march=armv7-a -mfpu=vfpv3-d16 -mfloat-abi=hard???
[11:30:50] <ths> so, i'm trying with the armmf demo image
[11:31:05] <amossam> is it better to set -mfpu=neon or leave it like this!
[11:31:10] <amossam> *?
[11:31:26] <amossam> and any other optimization? thx
[11:31:26] <woglinde> amossam if you have a neon device use neon
[11:31:44] <amossam> beagleboard-xm is neon?
[11:31:47] <woglinde> or use oe/angstroem which sets all the stuff for you
[11:31:48] <av500> if you have a non-neon device, cry
[11:31:59] <amossam> sorry for noob question...
[11:32:19] <av500> np
[11:33:16] <amossam> ok, so mfpu should be neon. and i saw on few examples the mcpu flag. is it need/usefull?
[11:39:53] <ths> Did somebody try this debian version ? I'm no image in screen ...
[11:40:04] <ths> Is HDMI default video out ?
[11:40:11] <ths> or Svideo ?
[11:40:32] <amossam> woglinde: i dont want to use OE because i finnaly installed gentoo and have working croos compile...
[11:41:15] <woglinde> ?
[11:41:31] <woglinde> oe works too at crosscompiling
[11:42:03] <amossam> yes, but i like to understand why is something working... :)
[11:42:40] <ths> everybody sleep here !
[11:42:44] <ths> or work ...
[11:42:45] <amossam> and if something sets all the stuff for me, i wont learn...
[11:43:24] <ths> lot of work isn't good for health ... sleep too.
[11:43:28] <ths> ;-)
[11:48:17] <koen> woglinde: doing an openjdk build now
[11:48:23] <woglinde> ;)
[11:48:34] <koen> woglinde: if I manage to get rxtx working as well it can go into the default bone image
[11:48:41] <koen> jkridner is fan of java*
[11:48:54] <woglinde> koen *g*
[11:49:00] <woglinde> next plans are
[11:49:08] <woglinde> running jboss 7 for fun
[11:49:23] * av500 wonders what rxtx is...
[11:49:25] <woglinde> and make recipes for qt-jambi and update swt stuff
[11:49:33] <koen> av500: JNI interface to serial
[11:49:39] <woglinde> av500 the java serial-communication lib
[11:49:49] * av500 checks the date
[11:49:55] <koen> woglinde: ERROR: Function 'The URL: '${JAMVM_URI}' is invalid and cannot be interpreted' failed
[11:50:00] <av500> and that is *news*?
[11:50:31] <av500> you guys must be happy about the little things in life :)
[11:50:47] <woglinde> koen uhm
[11:51:31] <woglinde> koen did you update to the hg version?
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[11:51:41] <koen> no
[11:51:46] <koen> I just did 'git pull'
[11:52:00] <woglinde> PREFERRED_VERSION_openjdk-6-jre = "6b24-1.10.4+1.11-devel+hg1+cf80d2049346"
[11:52:02] <koen> woglinde: I suggest you rm openjdk-6_6b18-1.8.11.bb
[11:52:10] <woglinde> I will
[11:52:11] <koen> woglinde: since that's broken now
[11:52:17] <woglinde> after you have test it
[11:52:40] <koen> no need to test, openjdk-6_6b18-1.8.11.bb is unbuildable
[11:52:43] <koen> since it lacks a SRC_URI
[11:53:24] <woglinde> hm
[11:55:35] <koen> WARNING: jamvm: No generic license file exists for: GPL in any provider
[11:55:45] <woglinde> pushed
[11:55:52] <woglinde> yes
[11:56:03] <woglinde> there are some license stuff need to fix
[11:57:28] <koen> | ERROR: classpath: Recipe file does not have license file information (LIC_FILES_CHKSUM)
[11:57:51] <koen> I'll see if I can fix a few after I fix all this DSP crap at work
[11:58:06] <woglinde> hrms
[11:58:17] <woglinde> I run it yesterday from scratch
[11:58:23] <woglinde> and had no license errors
[11:58:26] <woglinde> only warnings
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[11:59:10] <av500> koen: can't we talk dsp crap here and you do java crap quietly at work?
[11:59:31] <woglinde> lol
[11:59:49] <av500> or rename the channel to #oracle
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[12:03:26] <koen> free ipods?
[12:04:43] * koen eats another slice of stollen
[12:07:34] * LetoThe2nd wonders how koen got into av500's office kitchen
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[12:23:05] <av500> LetoThe2nd: damn, a slice is missing indeed
[12:23:41] <woglinde> I eat it
[12:23:55] <LetoThe2nd> I KNEW IT!!!11!one!!!1!!ELEVEN
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[12:36:52] <wmat> wow, there's a hate on for Lennart P. this morning. His stuff isn't that bad.
[12:37:54] <av500> where?
[12:38:25] <woglinde> hm
[12:38:44] <woglinde> he has sometimes poor Q.A.
[12:38:54] <XorA> that the systemd/pulse guy?
[12:38:58] <woglinde> yes
[12:39:15] <woglinde> oh wife is calling for lunch
[12:39:18] <woglinde> till later
[12:39:26] <XorA> ah right yeah, an obsession with using the latest features in binutils/gcc when they are not needed :-D
[12:39:43] <XorA> have a nice one
[12:40:29] <koen> https://plus.google.com/115547683951727699051/posts/Gxg1ZNzxku6
[12:40:57] <koen> wmat: is that the one you meant?
[12:42:58] * XorA laughs
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[12:43:49] <XorA> pulse is a truly horrendous bit of code which re-implements large chunks of posix API in an insane fashion, but at least it kinda works I guess :-D
[12:44:09] <koen> jkridner: http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2587572&cid=38468026
[12:44:30] <koen> XorA: the funny thing is that lennart handed over maintainership of pulse and avahi to other people
[12:45:10] <XorA> from what I remember the avahi code was ok, and readable
[12:45:35] <XorA> pulse looks like a c64 program ported to OSX ported to BSD ported to windows ported to linux
[12:45:58] <koen> plz send them the codes
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[12:52:00] <av500> koen: ncie out of context quote "I've seen a machine that does it"....
[13:03:47] <koen> av500 knows IT
[13:10:22] <wmat> koen: yeah, that one
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[13:15:40] <dlewin> Hi
[13:16:44] <dlewin> I don't know if this is the correct channel to ask new question about the Beagle board,
[13:16:56] * koen sifts through his git backlog and starts sending out patches
[13:17:18] <dlewin> Even if I'm not new to embedded devs
[13:17:34] <mouha_> hell
[13:17:38] <mouha_> hello )
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[13:18:07] <dlewin> hi*
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[13:18:30] <XorA> koen: hoping to get stuff pushed when people are too drunk to notice?
[13:18:49] <dlewin> is this the correct channel for question about starting with beagle ?
[13:19:04] <woglinde> dlewin yes
[13:19:12] <dlewin> thank you
[13:19:14] <koen> XorA: yes!
[13:19:17] <koen> http://fabienne.us/2011/12/22/mate-cosies-warm-hands-cold-mate/
[13:20:10] <woglinde> koen haha the perfect nerd chrismas gift
[13:20:13] <XorA> hehe, those Mate addicts are totally hardcore :-D
[13:20:30] <dlewin> I already had done some devs on arm boards (www.embeddedarm.com and FriendlyARM 2440) but I just discovered the Beagle board and would like some infos please
[13:20:51] <woglinde> dlewin did you read the webpage?
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[13:21:11] <dlewin> yes for sure, and the doc (quickly I admit)
[13:21:16] <woglinde> okay
[13:21:31] <woglinde> hm now I know why the chromium stuff is this big
[13:21:37] <woglinde> it has more tests than code
[13:21:45] <dlewin> nevertheless I should have missed the LCD part of it
[13:22:15] <dlewin> I didn't found what kind of LCD can be connected
[13:22:29] <woglinde> hm there are examples in the wiki
[13:24:07] <woglinde> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard
[13:24:37] <dlewin> OK didn't saw a wiki on the website, Google helped me (http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard I assume)
[13:25:04] <woglinde> beagle.org under Getting Started
[13:25:17] <woglinde> looks like wiki nor?
[13:25:45] <dlewin> yes was too obvious for me) )
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[13:31:38] <dlewin> well I only see Raw LCD, but what to have LCD < 10" ?
[13:32:33] <dlewin> is there any possibility to have OTS LCD ?
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[13:33:04] <woglinde> sorry I dont know much about lcd
[13:33:13] <dlewin> arg
[13:34:57] <dlewin> I explain why : the A8 is something that is rock n roll, and I was looking for a board that can also have an embedded display like this : http://static3.watterott.com/2009718-1.jpg
[13:36:22] <woglinde> embedded display?
[13:36:31] <koen> http://boardzoo.com/product_info.php?products_id=1&osCsid=86c8ab1dcdb6be58fcee9565cecb8a37 ?
[13:36:36] <dlewin> yes
[13:37:13] <dlewin> ah nice
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[13:39:42] <dlewin> ok so as a start this could be fine , elsewhere I go "raw" : is that right ?
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[13:40:49] <smithw101> dlewin: Try #beagle, much more traffic there.
[13:41:40] <dlewin> yes I saw that ;-)
[13:41:43] <dlewin> thanks
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[13:53:16] <sakoman__> koen: any opinion on where gnupg recipe should go? recipes-extended, recipes-support??
[13:59:48] <mru> recipes-encrypted
[14:00:32] <av500> in order to decrypt this recipe, use it to build gnupg....wait...
[14:01:01] <sakoman__> :-)
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[14:47:36] <koen> sakoman__: extended would be mmy guess
[14:48:14] <mru> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/technology-16316439
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[14:52:19] <wmat> mru: any idea when we can pre-order?
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[14:53:02] <wmat> oh, early Jan.
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[14:53:38] <koen> isn't it easier to just ask for $30 from broadcom directly?
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[15:14:28] <koen> woglinde: classpath pull request sent
[15:14:54] <koen> I was too lazy to find the SPDX name for the license, so I just added a comment
[15:17:05] <av500> YAAB
[15:19:13] <koen> heh
[15:19:14] <koen> http://spdx.org/licenses/
[15:19:20] <koen> "GPL-2.0-with-classpath-exception"
[15:20:48] <av500> mru: one has to acknowledge, they have a way more dramatic narrative compared to e.g. beagle....
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[15:21:31] <koen> how else are you going to sell and arm11 board running debian?
[15:21:40] <koen> s/and/an/
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[15:24:11] <av500> koen: I am against arming boards
[15:26:23] <koen> isn't that the second amendment?
[15:26:47] <av500> ARMendment
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[15:27:03] <koen> "you have the right to arm bears and boards"?
[15:27:39] <av500> that one
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[15:32:34] <mranostay> heh
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[15:52:21] <mru> https://www.change.org/petitions/lennart-poettering-stop-writing-useless-programs-systemd-journal
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[16:33:44] <av500> koen: you are a troll :)
[16:33:55] <koen> yes
[16:34:11] <koen> but what triggered you commenting on it this time?
[16:34:13] <koen> the ubuntu thing?
[16:37:48] <emeb> It was that whole "lives under a bridge" thing.
[16:38:27] <koen> no, the netherlands is below sealevel, not under a bridge
[16:39:25] <av500> koen: yeah
[16:43:15] <A2Sheds> wmat: http://rhombus-tech.net// http://rhombus-tech.net//allwinner_a10/ take a look a this open project instead of the Pi
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[16:44:11] <av500> this one is hilarious
[16:44:22] <A2Sheds> wmat: there might also be a respin of the beaglebone in the same http://elinux.org/Embedded_Open_Modular_Architecture/PCMCIA format
[16:45:26] <av500> its going to be a free/open/GPL project, but gee, no manual/documentation for the chip
[16:45:41] <emeb> eh - details.
[16:45:53] <A2Sheds> there are already docs
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[16:46:20] <emeb> and PCMCIA? Hello, the 90's called and want their format back.
[16:46:46] <av500> A2Sheds: where?
[16:47:34] <A2Sheds> emeb: try Google translate
[16:47:55] <av500> emeb: pcmcia for the physical connector
[16:48:07] <av500> not for plugging it into your laptop
[16:49:18] <A2Sheds> allwinner docs are currently being translated to human readable English
[16:49:37] <emeb> Ah. Well it is a dense connector. Still seems kinda retro to me.
[16:50:09] <A2Sheds> I'm more interested in a Sitara on the same form factor with PCIe
[16:52:52] <aholler> why pcie?
[16:54:47] <av500> ISA?
[16:55:16] <muriani> VESA?
[16:55:32] <aholler> those are soc's, or not?
[16:56:18] <A2Sheds> BYOB?
[16:56:28] <aholler> so why care about a bus, they should contain everything which is needed
[16:56:31] <emeb> NSFW
[16:57:06] <A2Sheds> aholler: what "they" do you refer to?
[16:57:16] <aholler> they = the soc.
[16:57:23] <aholler> the chip
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[16:58:43] <A2Sheds> ok, lots of interest in an open ARM board with PCIe, there just aren't that many ARM soc's with PCIe
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[17:02:11] <jay6981> is there an axi to pcie bridge?
[17:02:17] <jay6981> or an ocp to pcie bridge
[17:02:38] <emeb> I want MIL-STD-1553 to Eurocard.
[17:03:20] <emeb> or VME. Take your pick.
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[17:04:29] <A2Sheds> VME from the 80's?
[17:04:55] <A2Sheds> add multibus and it's all covered
[17:07:21] <A2Sheds> emeb: I guess PCMCIA tooling and connectors are in surplus all over China or they would have chosen cardbus or something else really low cost
[17:07:41] <emeb> That's a good theory.
[17:08:04] <emeb> I suppose then you'd need some sort of PCMCIA backplane.
[17:08:13] <A2Sheds> what I heard from the devs
[17:08:55] <A2Sheds> the plan is backplanes and a modular architecture for notebooks, tablets, set-top-boxes etc
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[17:09:57] <A2Sheds> netbook case retool was around $2k for the insert
[17:11:12] <A2Sheds> somehow the light went on in China to exchange hardware NRE for Linux development and support from the community
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[17:18:36] <ConnectToFreenod> win64 beaglebone help requested
[17:19:31] <ConnectToFreenod> win64 beaglebone help requested
[17:20:05] <ConnectToFreenod> win64 beaglebone help requested
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[17:22:35] <ConnectToFreenod> ping
[17:24:30] <mranostay> heh win64
[17:24:35] <woglinde> koen did you now find the right license?
[17:24:46] <ConnectToFreenod> pidgin
[17:24:52] <ConnectToFreenod> who
[17:29:21] <woglinde> koen btw. fix your git setup -> Signed-off-by: Your Name koen@dominion.thruhere.net
[17:29:24] <ka6sox> I need an email to IRC nick translater.
[17:30:00] <ka6sox> translator?
[17:30:17] <ka6sox> probably the latter
[17:32:28] <ConnectToFreenod> anyone try to bring up beaglebone on win64?
[17:33:47] <ConnectToFreenod> vid pid for ti xds 100 v2 require driver..win64 won't allow installation due to driver signing how to get around?
[17:34:59] <ConnectToFreenod> vid pid for ti xds 100 v2 require driver..win64 won't allow installation due to driver signing how to get around?
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[17:38:41] <xxiao> anyone runs bitlbee
[17:40:57] <Nemesis][> on the bb or in general?
[17:42:38] <xxiao> in general
[17:42:42] <koen> woglinde: pull request updated
[17:43:02] <Nemesis][> xxiao: yeah; I use it everyday
[17:43:34] <xxiao> Nemesis][: trying to set it up on my server, bitlbee+irssi
[17:43:41] * Nemesis][ nods.
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[17:43:59] <Nemesis][> That's what I use. bitlbee + irssi + screen + ssh.
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[17:44:54] <xxiao> coold, setting it up now
[17:44:58] <Nemesis][> I'd suggest using a few scripts w/irssi that work w/bitlbee (typing notices, etc.,..)
[17:45:00] <xxiao> s/coold/cool
[17:47:21] <Nemesis][> check out http://scripts.irssi.org/ - several scripts for it
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[17:51:43] <xxiao> Nemesis][: after i installed bitlbee on my server, is it by default open to other users to register? for this case I just want to do connect localhost
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[17:56:10] <woglinde> koen I pushed it, with the correction before ;)
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[17:56:57] <koen> thanks!
[18:03:24] <Nemesis][> xxiao: I believe it only binds to localhost by default.
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[18:09:04] <beaglebonedriver> beaglebone supplied drivers not working win64..assistance?
[18:14:25] <woglinde> thats a funny nick now
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[18:37:58] <beaglebonedriver> beaglebones need an online forum...for obvious reasons
[18:40:08] <rcn-ee> beaglebonedriver, and the "beagleboard google group" doesn't work for that?
[18:40:08] <tlab> there is a google group started, but no one has joined it
[18:40:09] <woglinde> lol
[18:41:46] <beaglebonedriver> i'll join the google group then and go from there
[18:42:45] <beaglebonedriver> in this linux dominated world..cross platform issues are not going to be well received
[18:43:01] <beaglebonedriver> beaglebone is all about cross platform
[18:43:34] <jkridner> koen: actually, I'm just a fan of JavaScript, not Java. I like Rhino, thanks to access to Java libraries from JavaScript, but Rhino development isn't moving fast enough these days to keep up with environments like node.js.
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[18:45:36] <beaglebonedriver> has anyone gotten the beaglebone to come with the supplied win64 drivers?
[18:45:38] <koen> heh, forums
[18:46:16] <woglinde> *g*
[18:46:51] * koen wonders what use the 'beaglebone' google group is when there already is a beaglebone one
[18:46:51] <woglinde> jkridner but no rxtx without java or you rewrite in js
[18:48:21] <beaglebonedriver> forums have history and threads, irc logs are insane to try and find out if someone has had a similar issue
[18:48:51] <koen> forums are for people who think avatars are more important than substance
[18:49:34] <rcn-ee> beaglebonedriver, the 'google group' has history and threads.. ;)
[18:50:15] <beaglebonedriver> you are right..google group will work...
[18:52:23] <koen> jkridner: did I show you http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/schmux/ already?
[18:52:34] <johngalt> is the bone stuck with java or can that be stripped out pretty easily? would rather just deal with shell access, scripting, and an occasional gcc cross compile.
[18:52:46] <aholler> forums are for people which are in need of patience, especially when they ask in irc and leaving it again after two minutes without response
[18:53:07] <jkridner> koen: nope. is that a node.js app?
[18:53:14] <johngalt> not to mention not having the webserver open as a potential hole.
[18:53:29] <jkridner> what repo is that in/
[18:53:29] <koen> jkridner: plain browser side js, but I want to hook it into bonescript later
[18:53:31] <jkridner> k.
[18:53:45] <jkridner> thanks!
[18:54:03] <koen> jkridner: https://github.com/koenkooi/bonescript/tree/processing-dynamic-view-for-koen
[18:54:29] <koen> johngalt: there is no java installed by default on the beaglebone
[18:54:52] <_av500_> not even a small espresso shot?
[18:55:31] <koen> not even a cuban coffee
[18:55:36] <johngalt> so what is all the management and browser based programming I hear about? what exactly is node.js?
[18:55:44] <jay6981> javascript != java
[18:55:56] <jkridner> johngalt: nodejs.org ...
[18:56:05] <aholler> hmm, time to eat one of those "pocket coffee" I've found in my calendar ;)
[18:56:11] <jkridner> it is server-side javascript....
[18:56:19] <xxiao> why a separate bone forum? i thought panda should be merged to beagle channel
[18:56:25] <jkridner> event-based asynchronous programming model.
[18:56:27] <xxiao> plus oe
[18:56:28] <_av500_> aholler: they taste awful
[18:56:33] <_av500_> l
[18:56:34] <jkridner> panda is not beagle.
[18:56:52] <_av500_> totally different anatomy
[18:57:05] <xxiao> well to me it's all ti-oss irc
[18:58:02] <EvanR> jkridner: more like javascript based model, the idea of all io being asynchronous could have been implemented without being atrocious for the programmer
[18:58:10] <EvanR> unfortunately it uses javascript
[18:58:21] <EvanR> not a very sophisticated runtime
[18:58:28] <EvanR> as far as concurrency goes
[18:58:45] <EvanR> has anyone seen Walt?
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[18:59:46] <jkridner> EvanR: sure, node.js just uses some particular C++ library choices to be asynchronous. All could be done in C++.
[18:59:53] <jkridner> I think it is a fairly clean implementation.
[19:00:08] <EvanR> its not
[19:00:22] <EvanR> and if it were 'all in c++' it would be even worse
[19:00:23] <jkridner> JavaScript's closures make it relatively easy to program to me.
[19:00:43] <EvanR> you mean sane support for functions
[19:00:51] <jkridner> ?
[19:01:14] <EvanR> lacking in most systems before and after javascript
[19:01:21] <jkridner> I fall into the camp that likes 'fibers'.
[19:01:27] <aholler> _av500_: they taste escpecially awfull if you think they are something else. when I've eaten the first one i expected something sweet, which resulted in poor horror. but now I like them ;)
[19:01:37] <jkridner> how do you define "sane support for functions"?
[19:01:56] <aholler> s/poor/pure/
[19:02:00] <jay6981> first class?
[19:02:02] <EvanR> lexical scope, first class
[19:02:27] <EvanR> culture of higher order functions, which js doesnt have
[19:02:39] <jay6981> scheme ftw
[19:02:50] <EvanR> haskell ftw
[19:03:46] <xxiao> while java is still probably the best for large enterprise depolyment, nodejs likely can take over the smaller server side apps
[19:04:15] * jkridner will admit to a bit of hackery in JavaScript as a language.
[19:04:37] <jkridner> still, it is pervasive. scheme and haskell, not so much.
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[19:05:20] <EvanR> pervasive means interchangabibility of worker drones
[19:05:26] <EvanR> you get what you pay for
[19:06:56] <EvanR> 5 nested IO actions in node.js requires 5 nested callbacks, and like 5*n levels of indentation. hacky synchronous actions exported by modules are easier to use, and freeze up the runtime
[19:07:06] <EvanR> no other threads can run
[19:07:26] <EvanR> its not out of the realm of possibility to have both
[19:07:29] <EvanR> just not in js
[19:07:33] <xxiao> sadly no nodejs/v8 for mips and ppc
[19:08:06] <aholler> learn c++ and everything will become good ;)
[19:08:56] <EvanR> or you will end up committing suicide via garbage disposal
[19:09:00] <EvanR> one of the two
[19:10:50] <jay6981> lol c++ good
[19:11:04] <xxiao> 0x11 looks promising
[19:11:21] <aholler> it is
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[19:12:44] <xxiao> esp the new thread stuff, wish i could find a good book or blog on that
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[19:14:21] <aholler> I assume the best book currently available is the overview from scott meyers.
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[19:15:26] <aholler> or the standard itself ;)
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[19:17:34] <aholler> but hey it's friday, we should go back trying to use java ;)
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[19:18:58] <aholler> which runs fast, everywhere and with errors
[19:19:00] <xxiao> c++ is still weak in UI comparing to java and js,
[19:19:22] <xxiao> Qt/Gtk do not really cut it...
[19:19:55] <EvanR> in what department is c++ not weak?
[19:20:10] <aholler> ui in java?
[19:20:33] <woglinde> qt is really nice in gui
[19:20:50] <woglinde> and looks still like early 90ies
[19:20:55] <woglinde> ups
[19:20:57] <woglinde> +swing
[19:21:17] <woglinde> fx is only available for x86
[19:21:21] <woglinde> and windows
[19:21:52] <xxiao> i guess...js-html5-based UI will rule inside/outside browser soon
[19:22:10] <xxiao> yeah time to learn js all the way
[19:23:07] * xxiao finds out all the software arch he mets are sort of java geeks in the past
[19:23:36] <xxiao> it appears they have the _big_ picture, embedded c developers are just dirty hackers
[19:23:51] <woglinde> xxiao my main job is doing java too
[19:23:52] <jay6981> lol what?
[19:23:57] <aholler> than you never meet a real architect
[19:24:11] <xxiao> aholler: maybe, just speaking out of what i saw
[19:24:14] <jay6981> how can you be some brilliant software architect and not know how to do embedded?
[19:24:45] <aholler> architects don't write sw
[19:25:04] <aholler> most of them can't
[19:25:17] <xxiao> aholler: they did a lot in the past, until they began to arch
[19:25:32] <aholler> no,not if they used java ;)
[19:26:16] <EvanR> the pain
[19:26:49] <EvanR> ui is in a pretty piss poor shape in the industry
[19:26:50] <xxiao> nowadays it appears you have to know the front end, back end, and the devices to architect
[19:26:58] <aholler> the java hype started when ibm got a lack of cobol programmers
[19:27:43] <xxiao> and most architects were doing back-end, just what i saw
[19:30:25] <xxiao> anyone uses bitbucket instead of the ever so popular github?
[19:30:34] <jay6981> aye
[19:31:04] <xxiao> i found bitbucket is more permissive,
[19:31:19] <jay6981> i can make repos private
[19:34:34] <xxiao> jay6981: right, i put my code snippets there to sync everywhere, they're not necessary oss projects, just personal notes stuff
[19:34:39] <xxiao> can't do that on github
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[19:35:45] <jay6981> yeah, it's nice
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[19:44:01] <xxiao> https://www.change.org/petitions/lennart-poettering-stop-writing-useless-programs-systemd-journal
[19:44:38] <aholler> you don't like a registry for linux? I'm sure thats his next project ;)
[19:45:10] <xxiao> while trying to learn systemd just spotted that
[19:45:45] <xxiao> aholler: well i think android is doing windows registry
[19:47:00] <aholler> handle plain text files isn't that comfortable using a phone or tablet ;)
[19:48:09] <xxiao> just read some of the petitions, wow
[19:48:33] <xxiao> i agree that guy should quit linux in general, and join M$ instead
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[19:50:23] <xxiao> he did a lot, but connect thos dots, he probably did more damage than good indeed, so it's better for him to just stop
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[19:55:29] <Russ> why the hate?
[19:59:24] <xxiao> Russ: it appears he indeed is doing something against kiss
[19:59:43] <xxiao> Russ: for me it's about if i should dig into systemd for the holiday :)
[20:01:41] <Russ> If someone designed sysvinit today, you would not be saying it was "kiss"
[20:02:09] <xxiao> hmm maybe
[20:02:15] <aholler> it's based on 'simple' shell scripts
[20:02:29] <Russ> especially with the hack on dependancy based startup stuff they have right now
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[20:02:35] <Russ> metadata in the comments and all
[20:02:36] <xxiao> i have yet to check into systemd to really comment
[20:02:50] <xxiao> but the binary log seems like a no brainer
[20:03:22] <Russ> it has the capability of logging binary data
[20:04:31] <xxiao> is there is a use case why not just extends syslog/syslog-ng etc
[20:04:35] <xxiao> s/is/if/
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[20:04:41] <Russ> btw, someone tell robert nelson not to do an apt-get install -y ia32-libs on my box, I don't appreciated it
[20:06:27] <rcn-ee> Russ, which script? ;)
[20:06:30] <aholler> I just read such in tegra-docs ;)
[20:06:51] <woglinde> aholler what?
[20:07:00] <aholler> installing ia32-libs
[20:08:02] <aholler> reminds me on android.
[20:08:10] <xxiao> aholler: lol same here
[20:09:37] <xxiao> android is all about hw-accel, i.e. the closed binary blob stuff
[20:09:47] <xxiao> which it hard to work with
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[20:10:12] <rcn-ee> Russ, missing context, which script where you running that installed that?
[20:10:58] <xxiao> you can get a non-hw-accel running fairly easily, but pretty much useless
[20:11:38] <woglinde> xxiao depends
[20:12:47] <xxiao> woglinde: you mean?
[20:13:03] <xxiao> panda runs 4.0.3 with hw-accle fine now though
[20:13:40] <xxiao> i guess there is no such thing for bone, yet, not sure
[20:15:42] <woglinde> if you need hw-accles
[20:15:44] <woglinde> till later
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[20:42:39] <Russ> create_sgx_package.sh
[20:42:55] <aholler> hmm, reading about all the senseless pain through asus usage of a secured boot-foo, I'm not sure, if it's good idea to buy a transformer prime. it's just stupid that all those companies are working against their users
[20:44:35] <rcn-ee> Russ, fixed.. ;) https://github.com/RobertCNelson/stable-kernel/commit/c38fd03078bca8ed986c60128efb3182c3df9aa5 Alot of them were first set 2 years ago and never removed.. ;)
[20:44:42] <Russ> thanks :)
[20:44:49] <Russ> I'm multilib now, so no ia32-libs
[20:46:13] <Russ> is that the best way for the ubuntu-11.04-r7-minimal-armel.tar.xz image?_
[20:46:34] <rmoriz> re
[20:46:43] * xxiao hates putty's color scheme that renders vim so hard to read
[20:46:47] <rcn-ee> Yeah, i've moved off ubuntu, so i haven't ran into that yet.. but knew it's coming..
[20:46:54] <rcn-ee> tar xJx...
[20:47:03] <Russ> as long as it works
[20:47:18] <rmoriz> rcn-ee: i did a fresh install from your images, than psp3 kernel upgrade but that realtek/edimax does not work hrm...
[20:47:31] <rcn-ee> rmoriz, yeah it's the same kernel we were playing with last night..
[20:47:48] <rcn-ee> Russ, i just uploaded a precise-armhf image you might like over that armel 11.04...
[20:48:02] <rmoriz> rcn-ee: i had some linaro packages then so I started from scratch to have a clear foundation
[20:48:10] <Russ> will dist-upgrading get me there?
[20:48:27] <rcn-ee> it's actually an arch change.. maybe/maybe not.. ;)
[20:48:40] <Russ> oh, hf
[20:48:43] <rcn-ee> ;)
[20:48:58] <Russ> that would probably be a big boost for what I'm doing
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[20:49:35] <rcn-ee> just finished upload: http://rcn-ee.net/deb/rootfs/precise/ubuntu-precise-alpha1-minimal-armhf.tar.xz (now just updating the wiki)
[20:50:15] <Russ> down at the part where it talks about updating the uImage, you have a DIST=..., you need to add -armel or -armhf to the dist
[20:51:11] <rcn-ee> yeah, on my server, i changed all "dist" -> "dist-arch" for directories, as for precise, we have an armel and armhf version..
[20:56:19] <rcn-ee> rmoriz, i ended up finding a 2nd rtlwifi module today, that doesn't work at all.. So i have on that works 1/3 of time and the other none.. will keep watching out for patches..
[20:57:20] <rmoriz> rcn-ee: that patches regarding endian-stuff. have you applied them?
[20:57:59] <rcn-ee> i haven't tried that patch yet.. it's on my list..
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[20:59:16] <rmoriz> ok
[20:59:43] <Russ> oh, also, my B7 doesn't seem to like the uEnv.txt, I had to make a boot.scr
[21:00:12] <rcn-ee> ah, then you have an older x-loader/u-boot not really that big of deal..
[21:00:47] <rcn-ee> i usually have people who get stuck at that point do: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Upgrade_X-loader_and_U-boot
[21:01:49] <rmoriz> rcn-ee: i plugged the edimax to a pandaboard ES running linaro with 3.1 kernel. lsusb shows a difference and detects the device as [Realtek RTL8188CUS] <= CUS not only CU
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[21:05:36] <rmoriz> rcn-ee: http://forum.doozan.com/read.php?2,1598,6358,quote=1 hm
[21:06:29] <Russ> so 'U-Boot 2011.09-rc2 (Oct 06 2011 - 17:47:10)' not new enough?
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[21:08:03] <rcn-ee> on an B7, it's probally just a nand enviroment setting that's looking for boot.scr's... that version of u-boot would probally default to reading uEnv.txt's by default.. (but nand enviroment comes first to u-boot)
[21:08:43] <Russ> ah, 'bootcmd'
[21:11:06] <rcn-ee> i believe "nand erase 260000 20000" would clear just the u-boot enviroment variables stored in nand, then'll it'll default to the u-boot.bin preprogramed boot script..
[21:12:48] <Russ> ya, put that under 'Upgrade X-loader and U-boot '
[21:12:55] <Russ> otherwise, it doesn't work
[21:13:09] <Russ> oh, duh
[21:13:11] <Russ> you do have it
[21:13:21] <rcn-ee> (just not easy to see)
[21:15:51] <Russ> any reason for gdm or lightdm or network-manager over connman?
[21:16:30] <branek> Hi to all, I need help with u-boot on xM, rev C. I compiled u-boot from OE recepies and with arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi (think it's 2011.03, but gcc is 4.3.3) tool... Everthing was ok, compilation also, but when I copy u-boot.bin to FAT partition of MMC, I just get "Loading u-boot.bin from mmc" and nothing past that... Any helo, where to look?
[21:16:44] <rcn-ee> last i tried, lightdm didn't work right with xfce on oneiric, so left it as is for now..
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[21:19:19] <branek> with u-boot.bin coming from esc image (to test ulcd7) all is ok, board boot without problem, but as soon as I change uboot.bin, no luck...
[21:20:17] <koen> branek: uboot and mlo need to be of the same vintage
[21:20:24] <Russ> hooray, /etc/init/ttyO2.conf by default
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[21:22:18] <branek> koen: thanks, I think I tried that, but no luck also.. will try again... can you get mi some light on MLO, for what is used? Just one sentence please...
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[21:23:35] <jay6981> its job is to initialize the sdram
[21:23:46] <jay6981> sdram controller and load the 2nd stage loader
[21:24:49] <branek> Aha, thanks, so u-boot and MLO must always be from same compilation? True?
[21:25:26] <jay6981> it's a "good idea" but not sure its absolute requirement
[21:27:23] <Russ> Package 'xserver-xorg-video-omap3' has no installation candidate :(
[21:27:56] <branek> jay6981: thanks, going to try that now...
[21:28:16] <jay6981> MLO (aka xloader) does setup the base system/ram clocks which are difficult to change afterwards
[21:29:17] <rcn-ee> Russ, i think that got obsolete in favor of the omapdrm stuff (so needs a different userspace driver in ubuntu precise..)
[21:29:26] <rcn-ee> for now fbdev..
[21:29:35] <Russ> :(
[21:29:43] <Russ> so I really did want oneric
[21:31:39] <rcn-ee> actually might just have to build it....
[21:31:39] <branek> jay6981: I have MLO after finished compiling u-boot, in same directory as u-boot.bin? is that right MLO? Or I have to download x-loader and compile also?
[21:32:43] <jay6981> branek: in my experience, they are different source packagaes
[21:32:51] <jay6981> however they do share a lot of code
[21:34:41] <rcn-ee> Russ, looks like it's broken: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=637269
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[21:35:24] <branek> jay6981: I understand... ah, we desingning system based on xM and we need some custom u-boot commands, it's soo complicated to find all info... (and this is my first contact with OMAP)..
[21:38:19] <jay6981> branek: i hear ya man??? i just wrote my own loader :)
[21:42:11] <aholler> using java?
[21:42:55] <jay6981> hilarious
[21:45:24] <Russ> rcn-ee, at 135 days old, its hard to say if its still current
[21:46:04] <Russ> branek, its ok, I found grub2 to be seriously lacking in documentation
[21:47:04] <Russ> experiment, and look at the source if all else fails
[21:48:02] <A2Sheds> 64 bit windows drivers on a 32 bit ARM cpu?
[21:50:53] <branek> Russ: Sure, as always... :) Hard life of developers... I already looked at x-loader code and if we suppose that current MLO from demo image it's ok (and it is, proven with stock u-boot.bin), I am not sure why there is trouble to load just different u-boot.bin...
[21:51:17] <jay6981> should be fine
[21:52:44] <branek> I also think that... need to debug around u-boot to see if it's started anyway... maybe my build of u-boot is broken...
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[21:53:05] <mranostay> ah the weekend
[21:53:10] * mranostay scrolls up
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[21:55:27] <Phosphate> I ran an opkg update & upgrade which seems to have killed at least networking. Anyone else seen the same thing?
[21:55:47] <Phosphate> Oops sorry this is on a new BeagleBone
[21:57:17] <Russ> rcn-ee, there is only one commit beyond what is in the debian repo, 'Prevents omapfb from from crashing when pixelclock of 0 is sent to it.'
[21:57:50] <Russ> doesn't seem related looking at the backtrace, bummer
[21:58:33] <rcn-ee> i can try rebuilding it in my precise-armhf sbuild...
[21:58:46] <Russ> it just doesn't seem related at all
[21:58:59] <Russ> is there an upstream other than gitweb.pingu.fi/?p=xf86-video-omapfb.git
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[21:59:19] <rcn-ee> that's it for upstream of that driver.. it never reallly did much. .;)
[22:00:16] <Russ> any clue what https://github.com/robclark/xf86-video-omap is?
[22:00:50] <rcn-ee> that's for robclark's new omapdrm.. (first parts just started going into next for v3.3...)
[22:01:11] <Russ> so it will replace xf86-video-omapfb
[22:01:32] <rcn-ee> exactly... (and be more maintained)
[22:01:44] <emeb> I think I figured out why /dev/midiX isn't created on Beaglebone - OSS emulation not enabled in the kernel config...
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[22:02:35] <woglinde> rcn-ee will it be better?
[22:03:23] <rcn-ee> (fingers crossed/forward looking statement) yes... (haven't got it to work myself, tried backporting everything to v3.1...)
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[22:04:27] <rcn-ee> so, i'm just watching: https://github.com/robclark
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[22:12:50] <Russ> rcn-ee, unity-greeter doesn't work, lightdm-gtk-greeter does work
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[22:14:06] <Phosphate> Anyone know if a mirror for the BeagleBone Angstrom demo images? Looking for Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-eglibc-ipk-v2011.11-core-beaglebone-2011.11.16.img.gz
[22:19:09] <Russ> bummer, a whole bunch of packages aren't yet built for armhf
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[22:20:24] <rcn-ee> Russ, it's getting better.. https://launchpad.net/builders (on the right), it was 6k a few weeks ago..
[22:20:30] <Russ> geez, or even armel
[22:24:47] <Russ> er...a bunch of stuff isn't up to date
[22:25:08] <Russ> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/armel/mythtv-frontend vs https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/armel/mythtv-frontend/2:0.24.0+fixes.20110908.1de0431-0ubuntu1build1
[22:25:23] <Russ> sorry, the first one should be https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/mythtv
[22:30:15] <Russ> back to oneiric then
[22:58:00] <djlewis> emeb: hi :)
[22:58:15] <emeb> djlewis: hey how's it going?
[22:58:20] <djlewis> hadn't seen you on in a while
[22:58:35] <_av500_> gm djlewis
[22:58:36] <emeb> I've been lurking. Was away most of last week.
[22:59:03] <djlewis> gm _av500_
[22:59:27] <emeb> djlewis: how's the ham rig?
[22:59:54] <djlewis> its a fine radio. I dont use it so much yet.
[23:00:28] <djlewis> was trying tuse it with HamRadioDeluxe for logging mostly.
[23:00:42] <djlewis> every pc cound caused the radio to xmit.
[23:00:52] <djlewis> sound
[23:00:59] <emeb> Ouch!
[23:01:08] <emeb> Broadcasing your error bells...
[23:01:19] <emeb> casting..
[23:01:33] <djlewis> turned out vista reset the default sound device to the transceivers usb codec.
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[23:01:48] <emeb> *eyeroll*
[23:02:01] <djlewis> I wasnt using the speakers cause the xmit would come thru them.
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[23:03:05] <emeb> Audio routing is still a mess
[23:04:33] <emeb> I've been futzing with the beaglebone for the last few days. Need to figure out how to build all the software.
[23:04:49] <emeb> Been away from oe too long and forgot everything...
[23:04:49] <djlewis> I argue that the xmitter requires a specific string of cmds to xmit so snds shouldnt activate it.
[23:04:58] <djlewis> yeah, oe does that to me :(
[23:05:37] <djlewis> Your young eager mind will sort through it in no time :)
[23:05:51] <emeb> I've got a notebook with all the incantations written down as I find them. Doesn't help with a 6-month hiatus.
[23:06:05] <emeb> Nice to hear someone thinks 48 is young...
[23:06:24] <djlewis> My problem is "now where those damn notes?"
[23:06:37] <djlewis> ten years younger than I
[23:07:26] <djlewis> but again. . . I get in the Ham radio and most folk are ancient or barely alive . .
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[23:07:44] <mranostay> heh
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[23:07:58] <emeb> big hole in the middle, eh?
[23:08:07] * mranostay cranks up the weekend jams
[23:08:17] <djlewis> mranostay: hi
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[23:09:57] <djlewis> leaving early, see ya'll later, merry Christmas
[23:10:09] <emeb> Happy Holidays. Stay warm.
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[23:39:45] <koen> \o/
[23:39:50] <koen> http://www.flickr.com/photos/86669029@N00/6561498583
[23:39:57] <koen> live readout of mux status
[23:40:26] <emeb> kewl
[23:41:07] <emeb> Safari browser?
[23:41:43] <koen> yes
[23:42:34] <emeb> Next trick is to allow it to change the mux state :)
[23:42:46] <koen> yeah
[23:42:58] <koen> I'll let someone else code that bit
[23:43:21] <koen> so I have plausible denial when something goes up in smoke
[23:43:40] <emeb> Yup - fiddling the mux w/o forethought could be... bad.
[23:45:07] <emeb> koen: did I see you added AIN support to the beaglebone kernel?
[23:45:19] <koen> joelagnel did
[23:45:46] <emeb> Is that in the kernel that gets built when I use oe to build the cloud9-image?
[23:45:53] <koen> yes
[23:46:07] <emeb> nice. Starting a fresh OE build now.
[23:46:22] <koen> you will notice a different mux, I disable the dvi one
[23:46:41] <emeb> I will now.
[23:47:00] <koen> capital names are from the stuff jkridner typed in
[23:47:05] <koen> lowercase names from debugfs
[23:47:19] <koen> so if you see a uppercase one something is wrong
[23:47:51] <emeb> OK.
[23:48:16] <koen> AIN pins dont have a mux, so those are OK
[23:48:36] <emeb> Yep - and the power pins, reset, etc.
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[23:49:12] <emeb> Slowly getting back up to speed on this stuff. Need my chops back for working on the FPGA board.
[23:54:03] <koen> I like the graphics at http://beagleboardtoys.com/wiki/index.php?title=BeagleBone_DVID
[23:54:47] <koen> emeb: apart from setting the mux we'd like it to be able to read and set the expansion EEPROMs as well
[23:55:02] <emeb> koen: Indeed - that would be useful
[23:55:38] <emeb> re: the DVI-D picture - looks like they did leave off the audio stuff.
[23:56:05] <emeb> I'd seen the schematic and wondered.
[23:56:15] <koen> yes
[23:56:24] <koen> we couldn't get audio to work when we tried
[23:56:36] <emeb> Any idea why?
[23:56:46] <koen> not sure
[23:56:48] <emeb> (After looking at schematic I have a few)
[23:57:00] <koen> we're different from the EVM
[23:57:12] <koen> both steve k and I didn't have time to fix it :(
[23:57:37] <emeb> Hmm. Well, I suppose I'll have to figure it out for myself then.
[23:57:54] <emeb> (working on a project with a codec)

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