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IRC Log for 2011-12-29

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[00:00:03] <djlewis> later :)
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[00:04:07] <tlab> why is it when I change something in /etc/resolv.conf and reboot it goes back to the default? How can I make my changes stay
[00:04:29] <tlab> I'm using a beaglebone
[00:05:19] <Russ> do you have resolvconf installed?
[00:05:23] <jay6981> dhcp?
[00:06:11] <tlab> there is a resolv.conf file I edit it to what I need, but when I restart the beagle it goes back to the fault... I'm using an sd card for root
[00:06:43] <tlab> df say /dev/root is mounted on /
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[00:14:31] <Russ> ...or just repeat your question
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[00:27:35] <tlab> I didn't realize resolvconf was a package, I thought you ment if the file existed
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[00:46:11] <tlab> seems resolvconf is looking in the wrong place for the interface file
[00:46:47] <curious_> Wish to use wifi dongle or embeddedelectrons 1271 board with beagle xm.revc.is there a foolproof android project and obtainable specific hardware that can do this without a lot of malarky? (not good enough in Linux to handle major obstacles :( )
[00:48:55] <curious_> also..will beaglebone handle a usb wifi dongle someday?
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[00:54:51] <aholler> get an android tablet
[00:55:23] <Russ> tlab, lookup the documentation of resolvconf, it will give you what you need to know
[00:55:28] <LoloLO> http://boardzoo.com/product_info.php?products_id=86
[00:55:39] <LoloLO> is it already well supported by BeagleBone ?
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[01:02:07] <tlab> ugh why can't I just edit resolv.conf once and be done with it
[01:03:09] <curious_> this is the problem of expandable systems...if beagle and beagle xm had wireless built in...
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[01:19:30] <rmoriz> curious_: you can get very small wifi usb sticks for ~10???
[01:19:46] <rmoriz> curious_: and if you use ubuntu, they'll work ;-) (not a big fan of angstrom, sorry)
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[01:21:19] <curious_> i like ubuntu as well..i would like it to work in Android..everything I find on the web is no different than one year ago regarding wifi and beagle (on android, i know easier on linux)
[01:22:08] <rmoriz> ok sorry, no idea about android
[01:23:04] <rmoriz> I use an Edimax EW-7811Un with ubuntu from http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu
[01:24:25] <rmoriz> curious_: have you tried a zydas based stick? they're quite "old" in terms of available
[01:25:48] <Russ> I'd like to get a dual boot setup with android to try out netflix support
[01:29:50] <rmoriz> here's a pic of the RTL8188CUS based Edimax EW-7811Un on a BeagleBoard C5 https://skitch.com/rmoriz/gwwam/edimax
[01:31:29] <rmoriz> thy require the latest 3.2 drivers from realtek patched in (dkms maybe).
[01:32:26] <curious_> amazing how small they can make those
[01:32:42] <rmoriz> yes. also how cheap
[01:32:59] <rmoriz> a german electronic distributor sells "no-name" versions for <8???
[01:33:18] <rmoriz> http://www.reichelt.de/WLAN-Adapter/JOY-IT-NET04M/index.html?;ACTION=3;LA=2;ARTICLE=107252;GROUPID=770;artnr=JOY-IT+NET04M
[01:33:53] <rmoriz> but one downsite. driver hangs on hotplug. i had to rmmod/modprobe each time
[01:34:00] <rmoriz> and no AP support working yet
[01:34:07] <curious_> well thank you rmoriz..off on my quest
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[01:46:20] <blueintegral> I'm having trouble getting the serial console to work. I get garbled output in minicom, but I know all the settings (speed, parity, etc) are all correct. What else can I try?
[01:48:05] <rmoriz> have you tried it with "screen" ?
[01:48:32] <rmoriz> screen /dev/whatever 115200
[01:49:02] <rmoriz> if that works it must be a minicom issue.
[01:49:09] <blueintegral> yeah, I'm using a usb to serial cable and screen /dev/USB0 doesn't work
[01:49:12] <rmoriz> if not, maybe something with your cable / remote side
[01:49:25] <rmoriz> which OS?
[01:49:48] <rlmccormick> /dev/ttyUSB0 is what I have to use
[01:50:03] <blueintegral> sorry, that's what I meant
[01:50:17] <rmoriz> on OSX /dev/tty.usbserial works for me ;)
[01:51:14] <rmoriz> which device do you use in minicom? just use that
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[01:51:40] <rlmccormick> not sure there is any value in this, but you could open another terminal and push characters into /dev/ttyUSB0 to see if they appear in minicom
[01:51:42] <tlab> I use /dev/ttyUSB1 sometimes ttyUSB2
[01:52:21] <blueintegral> I've got rx, tx, and gnd going from the serial headers on the board to an FTDI cable and then into my laptop running ubuntu. Do I need to connect any more of the other serial pins?
[01:52:23] <tlab> but I'm using a beaglebone
[01:52:50] <rlmccormick> those three are all you need, you have hardware flow control off?
[01:52:59] <blueintegral> in minicom, yeah
[01:55:19] <rlmccormick> if you think it could be the cable you might short tx and rx and see if chars you type appear in minicom
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[02:01:37] <blueintegral> ok, shorting rx and tx on the cable echoed out what I typed
[02:04:23] <rlmccormick> build the cable yourself? any chance rx and tx are swapped?
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[02:06:11] <blueintegral> yeah, I built the cable. When I hit reset on the board though, a bunch of gibberish shows up in minicom, which makes me think that rx and tx are right. I'll try swapping them though.
[02:07:16] <thurbad> do you have flow control offf or on?
[02:07:26] <rlmccormick> on the off chance that minicom isn't configured quite right perhaps you should give another tool like cutecom a shot...it is available in the ubuntu software center
[02:07:54] <rlmccormick> not as nice as minicom but the configuration is in the gui and easy to see
[02:09:17] <tlab> putty works, and so does picocom
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[02:18:55] <tlab> if I have a usb wifi that is a rtl8192cu, and I added rtl8192cu support in the kernel, what do I need beyond this for it to work?
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[02:22:38] <Russ> wpa-supplicant, connman, or network-manager
[02:22:55] <tlab> if I do an ifconfig, there is no wlan0
[02:23:01] <Russ> ifconfig -a
[02:23:06] <Russ> you might need linux-firmware
[02:23:42] <tlab> hrm, is that something I need to download, or select in the kernel config?
[02:24:05] <rlmccormick> what toolchain are you using?
[02:24:49] <tlab> it's a beaglebone, so whatever it uses, arm-arago-linux-gnueabi ?
[02:27:04] <rmoriz> tlab: is it a very small wifi dongle? like that one from this picture? https://skitch.com/rmoriz/gww21/foto-3
[02:27:05] <Russ> linux-firmware is a package
[02:27:31] <Russ> your kernel log will tell you if the module tried to load but didn't find firmware
[02:28:06] <rmoriz> tlab: it may be a RTL8188CUS that gets recognized to a rtl8192cu in some cases
[02:28:07] <Russ> /lib/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin
[02:29:03] <tlab> it's a belkin n300 micro
[02:30:04] <tlab> I don't have that file russ
[02:30:14] <Russ> so you probably need the linux-firmware package
[02:30:28] <tlab> so I install the linux-firmware package
[02:31:07] <Russ> yup
[02:31:17] <tlab> I have rtl8192defw.bin and rtl8192dsefw.bin
[02:31:27] <tlab> no cufw
[02:32:13] <rmoriz> i think you may have to build the kernel modules from realtek to get support for that recent chiptype
[02:32:26] <Russ> I doubt it...
[02:32:40] <Russ> did you look at your kernel messages yet?
[02:33:20] <rmoriz> the CUS is just the small version of the CU and we had to. just sayin :)
[02:33:31] <Russ> which kernel version though?
[02:33:51] <tlab> messages? or dmesg ?
[02:33:58] <Russ> dmesg
[02:34:20] <tlab> [ 1611.314953] usb 1-1: new high speed USB device number 4 using musb-hdrc
[02:34:20] <tlab> [ 1611.456304] usb 1-1: New USB device found, idVendor=050d, idProduct=2103
[02:34:20] <tlab> [ 1611.456330] usb 1-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
[02:34:20] <tlab> [ 1611.456349] usb 1-1: Product: Belkin Wireless Adapter
[02:34:20] <tlab> [ 1611.456364] usb 1-1: Manufacturer: Realtek
[02:34:21] <tlab> [ 1611.456377] usb 1-1: SerialNumber: 00e04c000001
[02:34:45] <rmoriz> "lsusb" may help, too
[02:35:08] <tlab> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0bda:5801 Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
[02:35:32] <Russ> those don't match
[02:35:36] <rmoriz> so it's not in your local usb-ids
[02:35:42] <rmoriz> there a update-usbids or sth
[02:35:49] <rmoriz> +is
[02:35:57] <Russ> 'idVendor=050d, idProduct=2103' vs '0bda:5801'
[02:36:35] <tlab> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 050d:2103 Belkin Components F7D2102 802.11n N300 Micro Wireless Adapter v3000 [Realtek RTL8192CU]
[02:36:52] <rmoriz> that's better
[02:37:14] * Russ sighs, 'USB_VENDER_ID_REALTEK'....
[02:37:16] <tlab> so what do I need to do to get it to show up in ifconfig ?
[02:37:43] <rmoriz> tlab: which kernel do you run?
[02:37:51] <tlab> 3.1
[02:38:03] <rmoriz> angstrom?
[02:38:12] <tlab> angstrom yes
[02:38:21] <rmoriz> sorry, no idea. switched to ubuntu
[02:38:24] <Russ> modprobe rtl8192cu
[02:38:31] <Russ> cd /sys/bus/usb/drivers/rtl8192cu
[02:38:40] <rmoriz> that worked for me: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Oneiric_11.10
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[02:39:16] <Russ> echo 050d 2103 > new_id
[02:39:19] <rmoriz> as I said, the kernel.org releases do not support newer realtek chips until 3.2
[02:39:43] <Russ> git master doesn't have 050d:2103 anywhere
[02:40:30] <tlab> it didn't like me echoing that lol
[02:40:45] <Russ> what does it say?
[02:41:01] <tlab> kernel crash maybe?
[02:41:20] <tlab> unable to handle kernel null pointer dereference at virtual address
[02:41:24] <Russ> bummer
[02:41:28] <Russ> can you pastebin the backtrace?
[02:41:31] <tlab> kernel: internal erro
[02:42:13] <rlmccormick> ubuntu for beagle is on 3.x kernel?
[02:42:15] <tlab> http://pastebin.com/3RUdEpsk
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[02:44:09] <rmoriz> rlmccormick: with the kernel from rcn-ee yes
[02:44:32] <rmoriz> rlmccormick: Linux beagleboad 3.1.6-x6 #1 SMP Thu Dec 22 11:17:51 UTC 2011 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux
[02:44:49] <rmoriz> rlmccormick: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Oneiric_11.10
[02:44:54] <rlmccormick> thx
[02:45:16] <Russ> tlab, that is no joy
[02:45:30] <Russ> tlab, you can try the same trick with a newer kernel or if you want try the oem driver
[02:45:43] <rmoriz> rlmccormick: all credits to rcn => https://github.com/RobertCNelson/stable-kernel
[02:47:02] <Russ> http://lkml.org/lkml/2011/8/2/383
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[02:57:42] <tlab> 2 day old rtl8192cu drivers woo
[03:00:01] <rlmccormick> now that's fresh
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[03:07:13] <tlab> what is normally in dir /lib/modules/3.1.0+/build ?
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[03:12:08] <tlab> this angstrom does kinda suck, maybe I'll install ubuntu
[03:16:03] <rlmccormick> what are the advantages of going to ubuntu?
[03:16:12] <rlmccormick> better drivers in the kernel?
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[03:22:14] <Slanderer> why is the beagleboard.org angstrom mirror corrupt :(
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[03:25:27] <mranostay> rlmccormick: i doubt that
[03:26:12] <mranostay> angstrom guy works closely with TI
[03:27:57] <rlmccormick> i see
[03:28:49] <rlmccormick> anyone have a pointer to how to set the macc in the beagleboard? I have tried a method using ifconfig at command prompt but it doesn;t didn;t work
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[03:30:01] <rlmccormick> method was: ifconfig usb0 down, then ifconfig usb0 hw ether 00:11:22:33:44:55 up
[03:30:34] <rlmccormick> the macc does change between the "down" and "up" but not to the value that was input
[03:32:55] <Russ> what if you make the up a third step
[03:33:01] <Russ> instead of combining it with hw ether
[03:33:17] <rlmccormick> let me give that a shot
[03:33:56] <rlmccormick> still comes back with something else after the ifconfig up
[03:34:57] <rlmccormick> i even did the ifconfig usb0 hw ether 00:11:22:33:44:55 twice for good measure lol
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[04:15:19] <tlab> weird, couldn't get the ubuntu image to boot on the board, or atleast get anything on the serial port to show up
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[04:36:02] <Russ> tlab, it defaults to not output to serial
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[04:37:49] <tlab> well that doesn't make it easy for me to access lol
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[05:52:42] <ds2> wow, I managed to use up all the pins on the bone!
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[06:01:10] <ka6sox-away> ds2, want a medal?
[06:04:25] <Russ_> crap, rcn-ee's stuff doesn't have # CONFIG_ATH9K is not set
[06:04:59] <Russ_> or more specifically, ATH9K_HTC
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[06:09:31] <ds2> why not... can always use ballast :D
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[06:13:53] <Russ> friggin jerks
[06:13:57] <Russ> '[103476.806148] ath: Country alpha2 being used: CN'
[06:20:32] <ds2> Russ: I see you have relocated to another hemisphere
[06:22:57] <Russ> its a wireless dongle in english packaging
[06:23:09] <Russ> it'd be nice if they region coded it properly so I didn't have to override it
[06:30:43] <Russ> oi, you can't override it without much trouble , only intersect
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[06:44:15] <aholler_> hostapd runs with that
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[06:44:35] <ds2> there is probally a eeprom you can reprogram
[06:44:53] <ds2> all that eeprom code float around might be leverageable
[06:45:08] <aholler> I've wondered about that cn too ;)
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[06:49:43] <Russ> CN is mostly a superset of US at least, I think it has a lower power limit on 2.4GHz
[06:49:45] <Russ> but I don't know what the columns mean
[06:49:46] <aholler> country cn results in that channels 12, 13 and 14 are disabled.
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[06:50:20] <aholler> had to change this with some other early drivers too.
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[06:52:26] <aholler> and iw reg doesn't seem to work
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[06:57:04] <aholler> but having the source and beeing able to use a selfmade kernel helps a lot ;)
[06:59:34] <perter-jim> hi, our DM37x product thought hdmi display,but test HDMI resolution compatible(720P), thw hsw from 40 to 0, { 1280, 720, 74250, 40, 110, 220, 5, 5, 20 }, /*720P 60*/
[06:59:41] <perter-jim> thanks
[07:02:45] <perter-jim> DISPC_TIMING_H reg write ok
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[07:13:16] <_av500_> what?
[07:14:49] <_av500_> Russ: CN has the most users, so it makes sense to default to .cn :)
[07:15:03] <Russ> I feel so much better now
[07:16:05] <_av500_> glad to have helped
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[07:49:39] <aholler> Russ__: http://www.fpaste.org/qU5w/
[07:50:49] <aholler> the available codes are in regd.h:
[07:53:50] <aholler> but iw list still shows channel 13 as disabled. need to have another look at it (later)
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[07:56:35] <aholler> iw reg doesn't change that too. I had such fun with a realtek-dongle too :/
[07:56:56] <Russ__> iw reg just does an intersection of the two domains, not a change
[07:57:01] <aholler> oh, and with an archos tablet, once ;)
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[08:03:14] <aholler> that rendered the tablet useless for a month until the next update because downgrades weren't possible ;)
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[08:11:34] <_av500_> how evil
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[08:19:27] <aholler> indeed
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[08:21:06] <pioj_> hi
[08:22:42] <pioj_> could you recommend me a free hosting service? I have nowhere to host my project..
[08:23:56] <aholler> isn't code.google.com free?
[08:25:00] <aholler> http://code.google.com/p/support/wiki/GettingStarted
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[08:25:17] <aholler> or good old sourceforge
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[08:26:57] <John> Hello, testing 1 2 3 ...
[08:26:57] <pioj_> I'm not used to code.google yet. I was thinking more of a devlog for that..
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[08:29:56] <_av500_> github?
[08:30:00] <_av500_> gitorious?
[08:30:20] <_av500_> they have blag functions too
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[08:46:48] <John> Greetings, it is 3:34 AM in Michigan. This is my first time connecting on IRC and on beagle.
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[08:58:02] <_av500_> good
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[09:09:45] <LetoThe2nd> m??in
[09:10:28] <koen> moin moin
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[09:29:29] <fgau> moin moin from 28c3
[09:32:57] <mru> m????n
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[09:36:38] <dm8tbr> moo
[09:36:48] * dm8tbr didn't make it to c3, once again
[09:40:34] <mru> their timing is the worst possible
[09:42:40] <dm8tbr> but at least they're consistent, it's always like that
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[10:30:36] <tomwyatt> wahaaaaargabl why doesnt opencv work properly!
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[12:33:16] <dwery> just ordered one, should be there in the next few days ;)
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[12:43:36] <l4> hey, is it actually "safe" to use rw rootfs from nand for an embedded device?
[12:44:00] <l4> i've several common initscripts creating /etc/network/run/ifstate etc.
[12:44:32] <woglinde> o.O
[12:44:38] <woglinde> use a tmpfs for run stuff
[12:44:43] <woglinde> inside ram
[12:45:26] <tomwyatt> woop
[12:45:43] <tomwyatt> gah no matter what i do, opencv wont capture from a camera
[12:50:58] <l4> right, this is more of a general question though
[12:51:25] <l4> does that mean such small things could possibly make problems sooner or later?
[12:52:24] <rmoriz> re
[12:52:45] <rmoriz> srsly people think about hosting an OSS project not with github? okay, if you hate contributors...
[12:53:56] <rmoriz> i also second that angstrom vs ubuntu. why force people to investigate an obscure remix-distribution because they want to hack on nice boards?
[12:54:20] <rmoriz> i think linaro did the right decision
[12:55:16] <rmoriz> i had a lot of trouble with the systemd stuff of angstrom. all the documentation of that is hosted at lennarts server which was down last week for a couple of days. also it's like "distributed" over 20+ man pages
[12:55:37] <rmoriz> sure it may be the future. but how is it relevant for beagleboard/bones at the moment?
[12:56:38] <rmoriz> aren't the limited resources, the different cpu archichtecture and the hacking around the hardware enough "uncertancy"? why put another one on top that brings imho not many features
[12:57:00] <mru> why force people to use a bloated osx-wannabe distro ill-suited to small dev boards?
[12:57:32] <rmoriz> because most people know it already. use fedora if you hate ubuntu
[12:57:52] <rmoriz> but angstrom is like a reinvented wheel that's square
[12:58:31] <rmoriz> e.g. how many people asked about eth0 not coming up on the beaglebone image of november? how many people have serious problems compiling a driver for their wifi stick?
[12:59:21] <mru> who are you trying to troll?
[12:59:36] <rmoriz> why do u think i am?
[12:59:46] <rmoriz> just read the mailinglist archive
[12:59:55] <mru> fyi, you're not very good at it
[13:00:05] <rmoriz> angstrom feels like familiar in 2001
[13:00:12] <rmoriz> sorry to say that...
[13:00:44] <mru> you'te free to have any opinion
[13:01:02] <mru> but your attitude is unpleasant
[13:01:31] <rmoriz> as far as i can see angstrom can be used with sysvinit so the systemd decision is not indispensable?
[13:02:03] <rmoriz> also regarding osx-ish???. well. no. that would be trolling.
[13:03:13] <mru> in attitude mote than actual imitation
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[13:03:27] <mru> *more
[13:04:51] <rmoriz> they have a large and helpful community. and a big amount of tutorials
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[13:10:11] <jkridner_> koen: I just debugged readUint16BE on the eeprom2 branch.
[13:12:27] <woglinde> rmoritz better you start your own project
[13:12:32] <jkridner_> koen: http://pastebin.com/XZQ680e8
[13:13:33] <woglinde> and build a large and hepful community around it with big ammount of tutorials
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[13:14:44] <woglinde> rmoriz and you lack some knowledge of history
[13:15:02] <woglinde> rmoriz first task would be since when oe can do crosscompiling and since when ubuntu
[13:15:11] <woglinde> +to find out
[13:15:44] <Crofton|work> woglinde, do not argue with the trolls :)
[13:16:07] <woglinde> crofton am I am eating icecream
[13:16:10] <woglinde> so its okay
[13:16:17] <rmoriz> ok. please ignore all my opinions. just count the questions people ask on the mailinglist
[13:17:17] <woglinde> dear sir, i am rukunushiki please teach me linux.
[13:17:20] <rmoriz> if you think angstrom is better, than just make it clearer, deliver examples, point people to the right directions.
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[13:17:56] <woglinde> better than what?
[13:18:05] <woglinde> better in which terms?
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[13:18:12] <woglinde> angstroem does what I want
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[13:19:49] <woglinde> but yeah it was poor try, at the end of the year
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[13:21:26] <dm8tbr> woglinde: angstrom clearly needs more youtube videos and more cowbell!
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[13:21:53] <woglinde> cowbell?
[13:22:35] <dm8tbr> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Mie9hhQTUM - you asked for it :)
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[13:26:49] <Crofton|work> We trully need more youtubes videos and stuff
[13:26:55] <Crofton|work> and a little more cowbell
[13:30:09] <vhold> I think we're having really basic issues, like right now the latest OS image being hosted appears to be an incomplete or corrupt file.
[13:30:40] <vhold> and the other image has the eth0 problems.. so right now.. anybody coming in new to beaglebone is probably going to prolly experience significant pain
[13:30:58] <vhold> and it's been that way for around a month
[13:31:02] <vhold> unless I'm mistaken
[13:31:45] <rmoriz> exact
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[13:41:38] <knotty> as newcomer i read with interest
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[13:42:30] <vhold> corrupt image discussion : http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/9cebaea1dbadc04e
[13:44:13] <mru> the bone is a new board
[13:44:14] <vhold> There is a person saying it worked for them : http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/9e5443c830eb4eb6/37afbf30b54c8e08?lnk=gst&q=eth0#37afbf30b54c8e08 at the bottom of that thread
[13:45:10] <mru> it always takes a month or two for things to stabilise
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[13:46:16] <rmoriz> i'm still getting a different md5sum via s3
[13:46:44] <vhold> yea I downloaded it from both places, got the wrong md5sum and the file won't decompress properly so I'm not going to install it
[13:48:27] <rmoriz> vhold: didn't another person also say, that he was not able to recreate the image file according to the commands that are specified on http://angstrom.s3.amazonaws.com/demo/beaglebone/index.html ?
[13:48:51] <vhold> I tried some time ago and failed as well
[13:50:28] <vhold> I've mostly decided to shelf my beaglebone for now, I had ps3 eye working at one point and now that is broken too, so I think I'll try to let the dust clear a bit
[13:51:52] <vhold> the best experience I had was using the image it shipped with, for about a week before an update broke things
[13:54:46] <woglinde> .o(*g*)
[13:56:05] <jkridner_> vhold: you can get back to the original by downloading that image. there is a file that has the git commit IDs used to produce the image to make sure it is reproducible.
[13:56:19] <jkridner_> I forget the name of the file right now. something like /etc/angstrom-version
[13:57:34] <jkridner_> found it: /etc/angstrom-build-info
[13:57:43] <vhold> if I do that will I be able to use opkg to install anything new ?
[13:57:50] <vhold> or will it require an update and break itself?
[13:58:30] <jkridner_> sure, you would still be able to do 'opkg install XYZ' for new packages...
[13:58:47] <woglinde> I still wonder what break
[13:58:51] <jkridner_> of course, if you just want a working image where you can download prebuilt binaries, you should just download the prebuilt image....
[13:59:16] <jkridner_> the tags are just useful if you want to rebuild from source and work from there.
[13:59:49] <jkridner_> the mainline is known to have breakage that might last 3-4 days, so having tags of a known-working image is important.
[14:00:41] <jkridner_> I'm not sure why 'opkg update; opkg upgrade' sometimes causes problems. I've always avoided it and instead relied on new images when I want to do major updates (and opkg install when I just want to add a package).
[14:01:21] <jkridner_> it would be nice to get more info on these 'opkg upgrade' breakages.
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[14:18:52] <rmoriz> is there a bugtracker? or some way to report this?
[14:19:02] <rmoriz> should one edit a wiki page etc?
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[14:22:06] <jkridner_> rmoriz: the mailing lists are archived. best to report issues there.
[14:24:12] <rmoriz> jkridner_: i guess at the moment a couple of users try to download the image over and over because of the md5sum problem. maybe you can drop a short note about the issue and recommend using the older image?
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[14:24:47] * jkridner_ checks list for md5sum issues.
[14:25:00] <rmoriz> also, the software-fix regarding the eth0??? is there a workaround someone can easily apply on the old release? that would help users
[14:27:03] <rmoriz> also, is there anything angstrom can do to fix their server latency? i know it's hosted at hetzner, as all my servers are. but it seems quite slow.
[14:27:15] <rmoriz> unusual slow
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[14:30:13] <vhold> jkridner: that worked. I reverted to the old image, and did only an opkg update, no upgrade, and now my ps3 eye and eth0 are working again. thanks
[14:35:32] <tlab> I'm getting 3.5 kB/s downloading, this is stupid slow
[14:35:51] <jkridner_> http://beagleboard.org/angstrom should point to a mirror.
[14:36:50] <tlab> that just points to amazon s3 which is slow also
[14:37:27] <vhold> s3 was really fast for me
[14:37:57] <tlab> s3 isn't showing a full size image
[14:38:15] <jkridner_> 176MB for the 12/26 image
[14:38:19] <tlab> 176M
[14:38:29] <vhold> The 12/26 image is bad everywhere as far as we can tell
[14:38:33] <vhold> I downloaded it from both places, same thing
[14:38:35] <tlab> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ shows 192M
[14:39:09] <jkridner_> jason@Jasons-MacBook-Air ~ $ md5sum ~/Downloads/Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-eglibc-ipk-v2011.12-core-beaglebone-2011.12.26.img.gz
[14:39:10] <jkridner_> 3561f2a0c85c46c48151d6f13f33b392 /Users/jason/Downloads/Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-eglibc-ipk-v2011.12-core-beaglebone-2011.12.26.img.gz
[14:39:26] <jkridner_> :(
[14:39:37] <jkridner_> doesn't match http://angstrom.s3.amazonaws.com/demo/beaglebone/md5sums
[14:40:57] <jkridner_> that md5sum matches what I have on the server.
[14:41:04] <jkridner_> so, it wasn't a download problem.
[14:41:28] <tlab> s3 image is smaller than the angstrom?
[14:41:39] <jkridner_> jason@Jasons-MacBook-Air ~ $ md5sum ~/Downloads/Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-eglibc-ipk-v2011.11-core-beaglebone-2011.11.16.img.gz
[14:41:40] <jkridner_> 6ee2047d360f32abfd88058c7a98b8d7 /Users/jason/Downloads/Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-eglibc-ipk-v2011.11-core-beaglebone-2011.11.16.img.gz
[14:42:39] * jkridner_ isn't getting www.angstrom-distribution.org to reply to check.
[14:43:46] <tlab> need a torrent or better mirror of image
[14:43:55] <vhold> hmm they do disagree now on size and timestamp
[14:43:56] <tlab> 3.2 kB is a joke
[14:44:27] <vhold> maybe that server -is- a beaglebone :)
[14:44:49] <tlab> my download is getting slower and slower, it's probably dead
[14:45:04] <jkridner_> k, I ssh'd into the server. I confirm that the mirror'd image is busted.
[14:45:21] * jkridner_ updates the mirror.
[14:46:05] <tlab> ok 2.1MB/s is better on the nov image
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[14:49:27] <jkridner_> new mirror update ETA is about 7 hours. :(
[14:49:43] * jkridner_ needs to find a way to get priority bandwidth to that server or something.
[14:50:59] <vhold> is it really being slammed that hard right now?
[14:51:19] <jkridner_> dunno. just know it is slow. the cpu load on the server isn't very high.
[14:51:27] <rmoriz> i wonder why it's so slow???really???i know a lot of high-traffic/bandwidth sites at hetzner and they don't have a problem
[14:51:35] <rmoriz> e.g. 28c3 livestreaming
[14:51:53] <rmoriz> is it a buildbox, too?
[14:52:01] <rmoriz> ok cpu load low.. hm..
[14:52:32] <tlab> when I download the dec image it's slow
[14:52:40] <tlab> when I download the nov image it's fast
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[14:53:23] <rmoriz> tlab: i cant even connect to www.angstrom-distribution.org right now :(
[14:53:37] <rmoriz> max connection limit reached? httpd config?
[14:54:24] <tlab> yea I can't reach it either now
[14:55:18] <rmoriz> the provider may reduce the bandwidth to 10mbit/s if you reach 1.5TB traffic/month and don't opt to a per-TB pricing plan. but that does not explain the connection timeouts i guess
[14:55:36] <tlab> I was getting mixed up
[14:55:42] <tlab> s3 site is fast
[14:56:13] <rmoriz> is the raid broken maybe? one disk failing?
[14:56:16] <tlab> angstrom site is slow, but it had a full image size of 192M, but was super slow
[14:57:51] <rmoriz> Server: Apache/2.2.9 probably not the best http for file delivery
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[14:59:22] <rmoriz> 2011-12-29 15:55:59 (11.0 MB/s) - `Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-eglibc-ipk-v2011.11-core-beaglebone-2011.11.16.img.gz' saved [201827350/201827350]
[14:59:32] <rmoriz> from the same colo. after ~5mins waiting
[14:59:44] <rmoriz> so i guess max connection limitation in apache
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[15:07:49] <vhold> if you have apache /server-status configured you might be able to check that to see if that's the case
[15:09:11] <rmoriz> if you want to scale with money, they've recently introduced a new server line ;-) http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produktmatrix/rootserver-produktmatrix-ex
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[15:11:06] <rmoriz> for existing customers in good standing they deliver new servers in a couple of minutes (fully automated). shameless self-promo https://github.com/rmoriz/hetzner-bootstrap https://github.com/rmoriz/hetzner-api ;)
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[15:19:21] <dv_> hello
[15:19:47] <dv_> I am searching for some small hobbyist linux board like the beagleboard, I wanna use it as a print server, so I do not need something as full-featured as the beagleboard. just an RJ45 port and a USB-A port would be enough. any recommendations?
[15:20:00] <dv_> it would feel like a waste to use a beagleboard-xm just for this
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[15:21:16] <rmoriz> dv_: do you want to run your own software on it?
[15:21:37] <dv_> well , yeah, I want to customize the rootfs
[15:21:50] <dv_> but I do not want to run custom written stuff if thats what you mean
[15:22:00] <rmoriz> dv_: e.g. there are some "black box" print servers on the market that are quite cheap but not if you want to run your own os/software
[15:22:01] <dv_> a small rootfs + cups should do
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[15:22:32] <dv_> I already have one, and it is not working. the real problem is that I cannot look into any logfile etc. so it is not possible to pinpoint the exact cause of the error
[15:22:41] <dv_> which is why I want something like the beagleboard instead
[15:22:58] <dv_> fyi, i have been using a PSUS4
[15:23:54] <rmoriz> i guess you could use a beaglebone but i also guess it's not designed for that ;)
[15:24:24] <rmoriz> if it's just to become a "dumb box in a corner" it's a waste imho
[15:24:31] <dv_> I agree
[15:24:40] <dv_> I like the look of http://www.solid-run.com/products/cubox , but it too is too powerful
[15:25:52] <rmoriz> don't you have an old wifi-accesspoint that can be opened?
[15:26:05] <dv_> picotux looks awesome, but it doesnt have usb :|
[15:26:06] <rmoriz> WRT56G or something?
[15:26:30] <dv_> hmm no
[15:26:41] <dv_> and unfortunately, the psus4 hardware is too limited
[15:26:58] <rmoriz> dv_: http://beagleboard.org/bone ?
[15:27:49] <vhold> Is the sheevaplug still around?
[15:28:01] <dv_> psus4 has 1MB RAM and 4MB flash
[15:28:34] <rmoriz> vhold: afaik they would be lucky to have something like angstrom ;)
[15:29:31] <rmoriz> i've a dreamplug but as it's ARMv5? v6? you're quit limited in distribution support. also it seemed to me that the community is ???inactive???
[15:29:41] <rmoriz> ah damn english. sorry
[15:30:03] <dv_> oh yes, raspberry pi also looks nice
[15:30:10] <dv_> if it comes out
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[15:30:31] <rmoriz> dv_: same thing as with sheeva-based plugs
[15:30:44] <rmoriz> dv_: that's why the gonna use Fedora ARM iirc
[15:30:48] <rmoriz> +y
[15:31:09] <rmoriz> ok. for your limited use case no problem i guess
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[15:32:38] <rmoriz> dv_: but times will be interesting especially if http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/ can be made
[15:34:14] <rmoriz> <3 vapor ware ;)
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[15:36:56] <vhold> It would appear that beaglebone does have the advantage of existing
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[15:38:31] <rmoriz> yes. sure. sorry i was talking about the allwinner + for some amount raspberry
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[15:39:26] <rmoriz> i have no idea about the solid-run thing. it's "sold out" for whatever that means?
[15:39:48] <rmoriz> dv_: get a BeagleBone :)
[15:42:03] <tlab> beaglebone for a print server? why not just get a new printer
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[15:45:32] <rmoriz> tlab: hopefully no Xerox or everyone can memory-dump you printer's memory with a postscript request http://ondemand.28c3.fem-net.de/events/4871.html
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[15:47:33] <dv_> tlab: my hl1430 has been working fine, I do not throw away hardware unless I absolutely have to
[15:47:44] <dv_> or until the hardware cannot fulfill my needs anymore
[15:49:45] <tlab> the printer manufacture doesn't have a print server?
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[15:50:12] <John> Hello.
[15:50:34] <rmoriz> hi
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[15:54:48] <JohnBabrick> anyone know if there is a problem with the Angstrom server?
[15:56:50] * jkridner_ updated angstrom demo image mirror.
[15:57:33] <tlab> the mirror is still only 176M instead of 192M?
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[16:01:13] <jkridner_> that is just the index.htm
[16:01:17] <jkridner_> the file is actually 192M.
[16:01:21] <tlab> oh
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[16:01:57] <rmoriz> jkridner_: do you also take care of angstrom-distribution.org?
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[16:08:44] <rmoriz> hello rcn-ee :)
[16:09:04] <rmoriz> rcn-ee: with your latest image my Edimax wifi works!
[16:09:15] <rcn-ee> hi rmoriz, cool? really? awesome
[16:09:39] <rmoriz> yes. there are two minor issues
[16:09:40] <rcn-ee> (but it didn't work last week with psp3 right?)
[16:09:45] <rmoriz> (yes)
[16:10:16] <rmoriz> if you take the interface down it will not come up again unless you rmmod rtl8192cu / modprobe rtl8192cu
[16:10:36] <rmoriz> and AP mode seems not to work
[16:11:17] <rmoriz> FYI i tried it this time on a BeagleBoard C5
[16:11:49] <rcn-ee> ah, so it still might not work on the bone?
[16:12:07] <rmoriz> let me try it
[16:12:41] <rcn-ee> with my images, the beagle would actually be running mailine v3.1.6.. (different then the bone)
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[16:25:23] <rmoriz> rcn-ee: on the bone it's still not working??? Linux omap 3.1.0-psp3 #1 SMP Fri Dec 23 10:44:55 UTC 2011 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux
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[16:27:58] <vhold> writing 2011.12.26 image now. http://angstrom.s3.amazonaws.com/demo/beaglebone/index.html is the direct link to the mirror if anybody is having trouble getting there
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[16:30:00] <rmoriz> rcn-ee: at least i can get networking to my BeagleBoard :)
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[16:31:33] <rmoriz> rcn-ee: dmesg output https://gist.github.com/1534857
[16:34:29] <rmoriz> ok. i'm afk for today. see you tomorrow!
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[16:49:55] <vhold> Hmm, well, the new beaglebone image comes up for me, I had to reset it once for dropbear to come online.. but the ps3 eye is still busted.. the stock image I backed up from the stick does work
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[16:50:25] <vhold> this image loads the kernel module for it, recognizes it as a v4l2 device.. but when I attempt to read /dev/video0, it just hangs
[16:52:12] <vhold> they both report the exact same thing with v4l2-ctl --all
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[17:38:29] <jmax_> hello everybody my name is maxime and I am french sorry for my poor english
[17:39:47] <jmax_> my beagle board not booting
[17:39:57] <jmax_> and only led D14 are turn on
[17:42:12] <mranostay> jmax_: you have the SD card in right :)
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[17:46:07] <jmax_> Yes, i can't wrong no ? for plug SD card
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[18:02:58] <huntedman> hi
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[18:11:12] <EasyAt> hullo
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[18:32:26] <emeb> OK, so here's a little bit of disappointment: serial MIDI won't work on the OMAP without writing a new kernel driver.
[18:32:59] <emeb> ALSA serial MIDI depends on the snd-serial-16550 module which is exclusively tied to PC architecture machines.
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[18:33:36] <koen> gpio-midi?
[18:33:51] <emeb> Such a thing exist?
[18:34:02] <emeb> ie does ALSA support it out-of-box>
[18:34:07] <emeb> s/>/?/
[18:34:15] * koen doesn't know
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[18:34:50] <emeb> It's too bad that ALSA wants to talk directly to the UART hardware and can't just use the /dev/tty0x ports that OMAP provides.
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[18:40:32] <koen> I suspect a gpio-midi driver is easier to write than a generic uart one
[18:40:38] <koen> but I'm no coder :)
[18:40:49] <emeb> you keep saying that :)
[18:42:18] <emeb> FWIW - managed to get SPI0 working. That means I'm set for when the FPGA cape shows up.
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[18:43:45] <emeb> oh wait - there's ttymidi.
[18:44:39] <emeb> might be able to shim that into doing what I need...
[18:44:46] <emeb> http://www.varal.org/ttymidi/
[18:45:19] <emeb> looks like it works entirely in userland though.
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[18:47:50] <prpplague> koen: DiP minus the murders is basically my first year on the island, thanks again!
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[19:07:59] <nascentmind> Hi. I am having some problem with bluetooth. I have a written a small server program in bluez which accepts a connection and after that sends a data stream to a phone. When I connect the dongle to the pc it works but when I connect to a beagle board it doesn't and simply disconnects. I have paired successfully. What seems to be the problem?
[19:08:57] <woglinde> nascentmind try other bt services first
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[19:10:23] <nascentmind> woglinde, what bt services? I am kind of a newbie in this.
[19:11:03] <nascentmind> woglinde, I have tried transferring a file and it works. also a simple program which sends a string works too.
[19:12:52] <woglinde> ah
[19:13:01] <woglinde> so bt is working in general
[19:15:51] <nascentmind> woglinde, yes. I am not sure if an rf channel is being occupied.
[19:16:12] <nascentmind> woglinde, I cannot seem to connect to rfchannel 1. I can do from 2 onwards.
[19:16:27] <nascentmind> woglinde, also I notice that the service class is different from my pc and beagle.
[19:17:11] <nascentmind> woglinde, in beagle rf channel 1 is occupied by dial up networking. I removed it using sdptool del but still not able to connect.
[19:18:25] <woglinde> hm sorry than I have no idea
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[19:19:42] <beagleboner> > C:\Windows\system32\mswinsck.ocx version: 6.0.89.88 : Installer Version is: 6.0.89.88
[19:19:42] <beagleboner> > C:\Windows\system32\mscomctl.ocx version = 6.1.98.18 : Installer Version is: 6.1.97.86
[19:19:42] <beagleboner> > C:\Windows\system32\msscript.ocx version = 1.0.7600.16385 : Installer Version is: 1.0.0.4615
[19:19:42] <beagleboner> > C:\Windows\system32\msvbvm60.dll version = 6.0.98.15 : Installer Version is: 6.0.97.82
[19:20:30] <mranostay> er ok :)
[19:20:30] <aholler> nascentmind: git clone git://gitorious.org/bluez-tools/bluez-tools.git
[19:20:51] <nascentmind> aholler, is that a known problem?
[19:20:53] <aholler> bt-swiss-army-knife for the command-line
[19:21:00] <mranostay> beagleboner: wtf is that?
[19:21:19] <aholler> nascentmind: no, bt works without any problems
[19:21:43] <aholler> at least here
[19:21:51] <nascentmind> aholler, i am using bluez tools right now. Why do I need to pick from git.
[19:21:57] <beagleboner> sorry, using IceChat, I selected view dll versions and the program goes and spits out that info in the forum screen, i agree wtf
[19:22:04] <nascentmind> aholler, I am using nelsons ubuntu.
[19:22:09] <aholler> didn't know that you know them
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[19:28:24] <nascentmind> aholler, Does some other service occupying the channel cause problems?
[19:36:48] <aholler> maybe that explains some of the problems: http://events.ccc.de/congress/2011/Fahrplan/events/4680.en.html
[19:37:14] <aholler> (web-server-problems)
[19:37:49] <aholler> nascentmind: since when can serial lines be shared?
[19:38:32] <nascentmind> aholler, no it cannot. so i removed the service using sdptool.
[19:39:10] <koen> prpplague: heh, hard to picture you in a woolen suit :)
[19:40:19] <prpplague> koen: well you know my affinity for dress shirt and pants, hehe
[19:40:54] <prpplague> koen: and my mother-in-law is just like the other detectives mother
[19:40:57] <mranostay> what is this suit thing people talk about? :)
[19:40:58] <koen> I sure do
[19:41:18] <prpplague> koen: and the birthday thing
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[19:41:28] <prpplague> koen: they take their birthday stuff seriously
[19:41:34] <koen> heh
[19:41:52] <koen> I stopped taking mine seriously when I was in primary school
[19:42:00] <koen> FWIW, my birthday was yesterday
[19:42:07] <koen> smack in the middle of xmas holidays
[19:42:11] <prpplague> koen: hehe
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[19:42:40] <prpplague> koen: i had an incident with the "chicken soup" with my mother-in-law as well
[19:42:46] <_av500_> koen: congrats on being close to retirement
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[19:42:53] <_av500_> closer
[19:43:07] <mranostay> _av500_: only 30 years out? :)
[19:43:11] <djlewis> koen: now only water might be older than you :)
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[19:43:31] <_av500_> mranostay: one has to plan in advance
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[19:44:40] <prpplague> _av500_: do i get to be an admin?
[19:44:49] <koen> retirement age in .nl is getting bumped to 67
[19:44:54] <mranostay> _av500_: don't forget to invite panto :P
[19:44:55] <koen> so 38 years to go
[19:45:31] <aholler> here too, that means getting rich or working until death
[19:45:31] <prpplague> people keep using these words like vacation and retirement, i have no clue what those are......
[19:45:41] * mranostay checks what the USA one is now
[19:46:27] * panto kicks mr
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[19:46:32] <_av500_> prpplague: vacation is like working from home but you go to another place to do it
[19:46:38] <koen> mranostay: death, most likely
[19:46:43] <mranostay> 67 atm so i can expect that to be 87 by the time i'm 67 :)
[19:46:55] <_av500_> mranostay: there will be pills
[19:47:01] <koen> _av500_: like working from the local starbucks?
[19:47:16] <_av500_> koen: has it been vacated?
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[19:47:22] * koen was tempted to say "local coffeeshop", but the germans will misinterpret that
[19:47:43] <prpplague> _av500_: ahh
[19:48:28] <_av500_> prpplague: or to put like that, after each weekend, i take a 5day vacation at the office :)
[19:48:31] <aholler> there are normal coffee shops in the netherlands?
[19:48:36] <aholler> ;)
[19:48:58] <koen> aholler: a statistically insignificant number
[19:49:12] <_av500_> koen: been to both?
[19:49:17] <prpplague> _av500_: hehe
[19:49:27] <koen> I know of 2 proper coffee shops in the city where I live (160k inhabitants)
[19:49:57] <koen> I pass 10 coffeeshops for germans on the way there
[19:50:26] * koen only visits downtown on saturday when it's being overrun by germans
[19:50:54] <aholler> to be not seen by neighbors? ;)
[19:50:59] <koen> parent drop kids at coffeeshop at arrival and pick them up when they leave
[19:51:18] <_av500_> makes for a peaceful drive home
[19:51:33] <koen> no economic downturn here as long as germany doesn't have one :)
[19:52:17] <koen> our goverment figured out you can collect tax on softdrugs if you legalize them
[19:52:32] <koen> like prostitution
[19:52:51] <_av500_> ah, explains why they sell gasoline openly here
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[20:10:41] <jmax> hello
[20:12:25] <jmax> my name is maxime I am french sorry for my poor english
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[20:13:56] <jmax> my beagleboard will no boot
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[20:14:26] <jmax> only D14 led is turn on
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[20:16:17] <AppleBone> hello, I have tried to google it, but i have no luck. .. I am working with the gcc on the beagle bone and I love to edit on TextMate. I want to transfer files simply and quickly. Is NFS a good choice?
[20:17:04] <AppleBone> (i am using snow leopard)
[20:17:10] <aholler> git is better
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[20:18:32] <AppleBone> @aholer: where to install the server? Mac, Bone or elsewhere?
[20:18:36] <woglinde> use a cross compiler and you can quickly transfer binaries via scp
[20:18:44] <jay6981> AppleBone: rsync
[20:18:52] <aholler> enable ssh, edit and commit your changes to a local git, git push, go remote, compile
[20:19:13] <woglinde> hm looks like bone draws a lot of people which aren't have low embedded knowledge
[20:19:15] <aholler> or rsync, it's easy too
[20:19:20] <woglinde> args
[20:19:28] <woglinde> have low knowledge
[20:19:40] <woglinde> ti should have selled it for 100 bucks
[20:21:30] <emeb> anybody know why so many of the AM33XX GPIO names are missing from the list in arch/arm/mach-omap2/mux33xx.h?
[20:21:36] <aholler> the topic should contain a pointer to linux tutorials along with a note that this channel isn't right place to ask basic linux stuff
[20:22:04] <jay6981> cloud9's fault probably
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[20:24:42] <woglinde> and I really wonder what they do on it
[20:24:51] <woglinde> it has no display out of the box
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[20:26:04] <AppleBone> @aholler thank you ... i have new keywords to search and learn. .. good bone tutorials would be great ... bye
[20:28:06] <aholler> AppleBone: look at some linux tutorials, not bone tutorials
[20:29:44] <jay6981> there was one guy on here bitching that there was no ruby gem for GPIO
[20:30:08] <woglinde> lol
[20:30:10] <jay6981> couldn't be bothered to learn shell or the sysfs interface either
[20:32:13] <koen> AppleBone: I use macfuse + sshfs
[20:35:52] <AppleBone> (the thing is .. that your are not knowing with general tutorial will pay of ... because you never can avoid hours of fiddling with flags ... but i guess the keywords will help ... thanks again)
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[20:50:46] <djlewis> nobody sent me a free beaglebone :(
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[20:52:26] <dsoto> can anyone tell me the right way to read /sys/devices/platform/tsc/ain* in python?
[20:53:05] <dsoto> when i try to use open('<analog port>'), sometimes i get \x00 bytes. while cat in unix is fine.
[20:53:23] <dsoto> should i be reading them as binary or text or other?
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[21:09:46] <dsoto> or where can i find out more information about how these ports are read by the unix system?
[21:10:53] <tlab> ti sdk or psp for the am335x ?
[21:19:37] <dsoto> tlab: great link. thanks.
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[21:24:36] <emeb> building a kernel - why does it insist on running the config process even though I've already run make menuconfig, or make oldconfig?
[21:26:02] <prpplague> emeb: generally it checks the checking, but usually it will do a complete config process if some of your envirnoment variables have changes, or the time/date stamps are incorrect
[21:26:12] <prpplague> s/checking/config
[21:28:29] <emeb> prpplague: thnx. Can't think why the env vars would change
[21:28:48] <emeb> prpplague: and since I did a make menuconfig shouldn't that have covered it?
[21:29:17] <emeb> always thought make config = make menuconfig as far as the build was concerned...
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[21:30:26] <prpplague> emeb: yes, basically they are the same, just the menuconfig has the option tree menus
[21:31:06] <emeb> prpplague: well, I let it run the text config and answered defaults for everything. Fingers crossed...
[21:31:17] <emeb> at least it's running now.
[21:31:25] <emeb> s/running/compiling/
[21:31:43] <djlewis> using cpu cycles is it ;)
[21:32:11] <emeb> djlewis: heh - that's the only measure of success at this point in the process
[21:32:47] <emeb> *BOOM* - no dice.
[21:33:19] <emeb> probably have to let oe start from scratch on the kernel
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[21:33:55] <djlewis> well, i hear if you do a initial build all then it is far quicker down the line.
[21:33:59] <emeb> any oe experts out there know what the approved method of rebuilding a kernel within oe is when you have to change the configs?
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[21:34:37] <emeb> I was relying on some notes from a year ago for a process that worked, but that doesn't seem to work now.
[21:35:46] <emeb> djlewis: yes - I did an initial vanilla run via oe, then changed some code & rerun with bitbake -f -c compile virtual/kernel
[21:35:56] <emeb> that works fine as long as the config doesn't change.
[21:36:27] <emeb> if you change the config though, my understanding is that you need to do a make clean in the kernel dir and then the wheels come off oe
[21:37:53] <prpplague> emeb: oh you are building from OE
[21:37:58] <prpplague> emeb: you left that out
[21:43:03] <djlewis> emeb: it as well as other things changes often just to keep me from ever getting a good grip it :P
[21:43:25] <djlewis> good grip of it
[21:43:45] <emeb> djlewis: yep. lotsa new stuff in there since I last used it.
[21:43:58] <emeb> prpplague: sorry - I guess that's important.
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[21:44:13] <prpplague> emeb: hehe indeed
[21:44:52] <emeb> think I'll just blow away the linux* directory and let oe start over, then carefully roll my changes in from scratch.
[21:45:42] <prpplague> emeb: as part of the of the compile part of the recipe, some builds will have a command to do a config with the specific config file used as part of the OE build
[21:46:20] <koen> emeb: go to the angstrom website and read the news items
[21:46:31] <koen> emeb: one is titled "kernel workflow" or something like that
[21:46:55] <emeb> koen: thanks
[21:47:14] <prpplague> emeb: hehe, when you get the url, paste it for me, i'd like to read it over myself
[21:47:38] <koen> prpplague: Xora wrote it :)
[21:47:54] <prpplague> ahh
[21:48:03] <emeb> http://www.slimlogic.co.uk/2011/05/openembeddedangstrom-kernel-workflow/
[21:48:03] <prpplague> seems like i recall seeing a post about it
[21:48:14] <emeb> I worked from that last year
[21:48:31] * prpplague bookmarks for testing
[21:48:50] <emeb> There's my problem - doing a make clean instead for bitbake -c clean virtual/kernel.
[21:50:04] <emeb> anyway - this is all towards trying to get rotary encoders working with the 'bone.
[21:50:55] <koen> emeb: let us know if you have patches for that, I have support for matrix keypads on my TODO
[21:51:29] <koen> e.g. https://www.adafruit.com/products/419
[21:52:17] <emeb> koen: will do
[21:53:02] <djlewis> ive got some of those keypads
[21:53:49] <sakoman__> koen: any news on sgx sdk fixes?
[21:55:36] <koen> sakoman__: nope, everything halted for the holidays
[21:55:47] <sakoman__> ok, thanks
[21:55:52] <koen> sakoman__: except griping about contracting services
[21:56:10] <sakoman__> :-)
[21:56:52] <koen> sakoman__: I did talk over a plan of attack while I was at the UK office 2 weeks ago
[21:57:17] <emeb> prpplague: note of caution - Xora's kernel workflow is a bit out of date - some of the directory hierarchies aren't quite the same now.
[21:57:28] <sakoman__> excellent, I have a couple of clients who are pestering me about it
[21:58:08] <sakoman__> and a check that I can't collect until I deliver working sgx stuff :-(
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[22:41:03] <emeb> rotary encoder driver tries to start but can't get the GPIO pins I pointed it at.
[22:58:27] <emeb> can anyone confirm: the AM335x kernel still relies on uboot to set up the GPIO it's allowed to use?
[22:59:15] <jay6981> well the loaders do setup the pin muxing
[22:59:36] <jay6981> dunno if linux ever changes that
[22:59:56] <emeb> There is kernel control of pinmuxing now, but GPIO appears to be a special case.
[23:00:27] <emeb> Previously, the GPIO data structure was initialized based on the state of the mux as set by the loader.
[23:00:38] <emeb> That constrained what pins could be used by the GPIO driver.
[23:00:55] <jay6981> ic
[23:00:56] <emeb> Even though you could set the mux to the gpio function later in the kernel,you couldn't use it as such.
[23:01:38] <emeb> conversely though, you can switch _away_ from GPIO to other functions w/o penalty.
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[23:10:43] <mranostay> welcome kergoth :)
[23:10:47] <kergoth> hey
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[23:12:55] <Hopsy> heyy
[23:13:01] <Hopsy> someone here?
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[23:52:05] <djlewis> later . . . :)
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