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IRC Log for 2012-02-24

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[00:00:28] <Sharpyuk> blocks - 3494137+
[00:00:42] <thurbad> df -h
[00:00:47] <Sharpyuk> what's that in MB
[00:00:50] <jay6981> im sure it's plenty
[00:01:12] <Sharpyuk> 2,4GB
[00:01:18] <Sharpyuk> used about 600MB
[00:01:19] <aholler> http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20090405061458383/20oftheBestFreeLinuxBooks-Part1.html
[00:01:39] <Sharpyuk> cheers
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[00:02:52] <Sharpyuk> I will leave you in peace for a while.. may be back tomorrow
[00:03:04] <Sharpyuk> thank you very much for your help!!
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[00:10:51] <SilicaGel2> haha
[00:10:54] <SilicaGel2> i hae to hand it to T.I.
[00:11:02] <SilicaGel2> they keep saying that what I"m doing (PRU) is not supported...
[00:11:07] <SilicaGel2> but then they go ahead and answer my questions anyway
[00:11:13] <koen> yep
[00:11:16] <jay6981> they just don't want to be on the hook legally
[00:11:26] <SilicaGel2> well it's way cool of them
[00:11:28] <koen> I suspect PRU will be supported in the near future
[00:11:43] <jay6981> ti seems to have a good attitude towards hobbyist/small scale developers
[00:11:52] <SilicaGel2> Really? aholler tells me it's going to be phased out and why would I use it and I'm going to hell for learning its assembly language
[00:11:54] <SilicaGel2> or something like that!
[00:12:01] <jay6981> in total contrast to say??? broadcom or nvidia
[00:12:25] <jay6981> aholler likes to say stuff like that
[00:12:28] <SilicaGel2> apparently I have to set some register
[00:12:36] <SilicaGel2> PRUSS CFG register space, SYSCFG [STANDBY_INIT].)
[00:12:50] <SilicaGel2> because the OCP master port is in standby
[00:12:57] <SilicaGel2> I kind of understand what that mean
[00:13:00] <SilicaGel2> s
[00:13:13] <SilicaGel2> i think it means the L3 initiator port
[00:13:13] <jay6981> ocp master has the ability to initiate bus transactions
[00:13:34] <aholler> I wasn't the one who said people want m3 or similiar instead of pru
[00:13:53] <SilicaGel2> I think you actually told me to use an AVR hahaha
[00:14:09] <aholler> no, i said I prefer avr ;)
[00:14:29] <SilicaGel2> well in the mail today i got five ATMega328Ps !
[00:16:49] <aholler> isn't it so that omap4/5 already uses an -m3 instead of some pru?
[00:16:57] <aholler> or isn't that comparable?
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[00:17:35] <koen> omap is for mobile phones
[00:17:45] <koen> AM335x is for industrial
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[00:17:55] <mru> industrial phones
[00:18:22] <SilicaGel2> i wonder what speed said m0 or m3 run at though
[00:18:50] <SilicaGel2> i see the bit she is talking about but it says it defaults to "smart standby mode"
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[00:19:03] <SilicaGel2> I don't really know what the hell that means, but from my perspective it isn't smart at all.
[00:19:07] <jay6981> omap4470 has two m3
[00:19:19] <SilicaGel2> how fast do they run?
[00:19:21] <mru> all omap4 do
[00:20:14] <koen> omap4 has a ton of arm cores
[00:20:24] <koen> a9, m3, 968, etc
[00:20:33] <koen> the beaglebone only has 2
[00:20:40] <koen> one a8 and one m3
[00:20:57] <mru> run an arm emulator on the pru
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[00:21:25] <SilicaGel2> hahaha
[00:21:32] <SilicaGel2> that amuses me
[00:21:51] <aholler> whats a use case for a pru?
[00:22:12] <SilicaGel2> hm i can tell you mine i guess
[00:22:21] <SilicaGel2> four A/D converters @ 50 kHz each, SPI
[00:22:24] <SilicaGel2> but to talk to them
[00:22:30] <SilicaGel2> I have to issue things between samples
[00:22:36] <SilicaGel2> start of conversions, wait for them to finish
[00:22:45] <SilicaGel2> so that's a sample every 1 / 200 kHz
[00:22:49] <SilicaGel2> so that's not TOO crazy but
[00:22:58] <SilicaGel2> it's too real time for the main CPU
[00:23:09] <SilicaGel2> so I could add hardware to do this, a CPLD and some FIFOs or something which is what I did last time
[00:23:22] <SilicaGel2> but the PRU can do this easily, and stuff the samples right into DDR
[00:23:35] <SilicaGel2> so I am planning on sending a command to the PRU saying "Go take 10 megabytes worth of dta. GO!"
[00:23:39] <SilicaGel2> and not be bothered by it until it's done.
[00:23:51] <aholler> ah, a pru can access all the i/o's?
[00:23:54] <SilicaGel2> I'm also planning on implement a J1708 receiver using it. A J1708 receiver is really just a fancy uart.
[00:24:14] <mru> aholler: that's the point
[00:24:18] <SilicaGel2> yeah
[00:24:25] <SilicaGel2> the PRUSS also has its own dedicated (hardware) uart
[00:24:30] <SilicaGel2> though I'm not using it for my j1708 receiver
[00:24:55] <SilicaGel2> really, I think T.I. nailed the main use for it when they called it an I.C.S.S. originally (I guess)
[00:25:04] <SilicaGel2> it's for doing flexible industrial communication protocols
[00:25:20] <koen> PRU has had many names before
[00:25:40] <koen> one of the uses is ethercat (timestamped ethernet)
[00:25:46] <mru> is cthulhu among them?
[00:26:01] <koen> no, but dmax is
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[00:26:31] <SilicaGel2> OH is THAT what ethercat is
[00:26:34] <SilicaGel2> I wondered about that
[00:27:17] <mru> not to be confused with catheter
[00:27:57] <koen> profibus and smartcard are to other usecases I know off
[00:28:01] <SilicaGel2> there have been a lot of ads for catheters on tv lately
[00:28:03] <koen> for PRUv2
[00:28:10] <SilicaGel2> apparently you can implement a can controller in it too
[00:28:10] <koen> pruv2 is more awesome with its multiply
[00:28:13] <SilicaGel2> which amks me wonder
[00:28:22] <SilicaGel2> why those people in i forget where, europe somewhere
[00:28:23] <koen> v1 on the first one
[00:28:27] <SilicaGel2> made a bone cape !!!
[00:28:35] <SilicaGel2> with 3 CANs on it, 1 using a crappy microchip adapter
[00:28:51] <SilicaGel2> yeah pruv2 is also awesome because of the move indirect instructions
[00:28:54] <jay6981> that guy is here sometimes
[00:28:56] <jay6981> you can ask him
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[00:29:27] <koen> SilicaGel2: https://plus.google.com/100242854243155306943/posts/13C2vLoH62F ?
[00:29:35] <SilicaGel2> what guy
[00:29:39] <koen> SilicaGel2: dwery made that cape
[00:29:46] <SilicaGel2> ah ok
[00:29:46] <jay6981> ah yes, dwery made the can cape
[00:29:47] <SilicaGel2> so
[00:29:48] <SilicaGel2> my queston i
[00:29:57] <SilicaGel2> why not implment the 3rd can in PRU?
[00:30:12] <koen> you could
[00:30:14] <SilicaGel2> i will defer to ask him :)
[00:30:23] <koen> but SPI is just easier :)
[00:30:25] <jay6981> maybe because you didn't fix the pru reset issue yet :)
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[00:30:56] <koen> someone did a bt565 framegrabber in PRUv2
[00:31:10] <koen> I can imagine someone doing a OSD type of thing on the pru
[00:31:59] <SilicaGel2> wow, who is doing all this work and will they hire me
[00:32:30] <aholler> hmm, ethercat sounds interesting
[00:32:52] <SilicaGel2> for my adc app I am going to unfortunately end up bit banging an spi
[00:32:53] <dwery> SilicaGel2: two using the microchip spi controller. would loved to use the PRU but Bosch would have knocked at the door
[00:33:06] <SilicaGel2> oh yeah good point, the licensing.
[00:33:18] <dwery> plus some months of development
[00:33:28] <SilicaGel2> so the sampe one that's out in the wild is crappola?
[00:33:52] <dwery> the cape currently in production uses 1 d_can and 2 microchip
[00:34:06] <dwery> if you order in the thousand we can talk about the prus :D
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[00:35:47] <dwery> I was also able to talk with the driver's author and he told me that the microchip part is performing quite well on several installations he made for his customers.
[00:37:30] <SilicaGel2> is it really
[00:37:34] <SilicaGel2> that's good
[00:37:46] <SilicaGel2> the last can controller I made was 2 can + 1 J1708
[00:37:49] <SilicaGel2> but I used SJA1000 x 2
[00:37:52] <dwery> yes. obviously I would use d_can for high speed busses
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[00:38:23] <dwery> if an user needs more than that
[00:38:29] <dwery> there are different solutions.
[00:38:59] <dwery> We have considered the SJA too
[00:39:03] <dwery> but it's only 5 volt
[00:39:32] <dwery> and the mixed address/data bus would have required some fpga for interfacing
[00:39:54] <SilicaGel2> sja1000 is tried and true, and not a goddamned fossil like the intel 527 thing
[00:40:02] <SilicaGel2> yeah i used a spartan 3
[00:40:02] <dwery> yep, I pretty much like it
[00:40:19] <SilicaGel2> but the error recovery modes of the sja1000 can be tricky for driver writers
[00:40:38] <dwery> the linux driver for the sja should perform quite well
[00:40:58] <SilicaGel2> yeah
[00:40:59] <SilicaGel2> I don' use that
[00:41:05] <SilicaGel2> because I think socketcan is an awful, horrible, awful idea
[00:41:12] <dwery> I know, you go straight to the hardware :D
[00:41:14] <SilicaGel2> I think we already had that conversation, though :)
[00:41:19] <dwery> yep
[00:41:28] <SilicaGel2> haha i'm not THAT bad
[00:41:40] <SilicaGel2> I just made a character mode driver for ebugging that supports ioctl to get a single packet (w/ blocking)
[00:41:50] <SilicaGel2> I did this though like in 2003 or something
[00:41:53] <SilicaGel2> maybe 2004
[00:42:07] <SilicaGel2> so the PF_CAN socket stuff wasn't even in existence yet was it? I can't remember
[00:42:29] <dwery> it was unusable anyway until a few years ago
[00:43:22] <SilicaGel2> so i have an extremely serious qustion to as you now
[00:43:22] <dwery> now the problem lies in the software that resides at an higher level. people often do not understand that the expected behaviour in case of a bus failure is to get of the bus
[00:43:24] <SilicaGel2> ask
[00:43:43] <SilicaGel2> i assume your board is for industrial automation purposes
[00:44:01] <dwery> no, is for people that want to experiment with can bus
[00:44:07] <SilicaGel2> oh really
[00:44:09] <SilicaGel2> huh
[00:44:20] <SilicaGel2> there are people that use CAN for fun? :)
[00:44:30] <dwery> unless you want to do industrial automation with the bone :D
[00:44:38] <aholler> attach it to you car ;)
[00:44:42] <SilicaGel2> yeah that was my queston, th bone ays "Don't use this"
[00:44:47] <SilicaGel2> "it's an EVM"
[00:44:48] <SilicaGel2> "EAD"
[00:44:52] <dwery> exactly
[00:45:04] <dwery> but it's fune
[00:45:05] <dwery> fun
[00:45:22] <dwery> and can bus will live in the foreseeable future
[00:45:25] <SilicaGel2> do you think we should propose that they get rid of that shitty ass dmx protocol and start using can for doing multimedia light shows?
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[00:45:46] <dwery> I would love that :D
[00:45:49] <SilicaGel2> really?
[00:46:02] <SilicaGel2> I'm kind of working on a board that's got CAN and a couple of 120V triacs on it
[00:46:12] <SilicaGel2> it's like most of my hardware projects only partially finished
[00:46:31] * dwery remembers of his unfinished projects...
[00:46:54] <dwery> I'll probably have another couple of can boards coming this year
[00:46:59] <dwery> and at least one more cape
[00:47:18] <SilicaGel2> my first cape is going to be a carrie for the xbee
[00:47:39] <dwery> I even know someone at circuitco if you want to mass produce it :D
[00:47:57] <SilicaGel2> if i thought somebody would buy it
[00:47:58] <SilicaGel2> but
[00:48:05] <SilicaGel2> for home automation, or wireless sensor networks
[00:48:10] <SilicaGel2> I think a beaglebone is just about perfect
[00:48:16] <dwery> yep
[00:48:20] <SilicaGel2> put the zigbee radio on it, GO
[00:48:23] <SilicaGel2> I'm so excited about t
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[00:48:29] <dwery> if you can afford it, do it for fun
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[00:48:30] <SilicaGel2> I have the parts laid out but board not routed yet
[00:48:38] <SilicaGel2> batchpcb is pretty cheap
[00:49:27] <dwery> you're in the US, I guess
[00:49:44] <SilicaGel2> Yes, but I'm very close to Canada, so it's OK
[00:50:00] <dwery> we had the boards manufactured in china
[00:50:00] <SilicaGel2> for bosch to come and get me they would have to take a boat or airplane
[00:50:04] <dwery> :D
[00:50:15] <dwery> check the CAN bus on your car...
[00:50:22] <SilicaGel2> my car is J1850 :-(
[00:50:27] <dwery> they might have a backdoor
[00:50:35] <dwery> then you're safer
[00:50:36] <dwery> :D
[00:50:55] <SilicaGel2> in 1993 or 1994
[00:51:02] <SilicaGel2> my coworker at the time bought a jeep grand cherokee
[00:51:04] <SilicaGel2> and i had a palm pilot
[00:51:18] <SilicaGel2> so I showed him how I could use the IR port on the palm pilot to unlock his doors
[00:51:20] <SilicaGel2> that got him rather angry
[00:51:29] <dwery> I remember the times.. I used to work a lot with Palm OS
[00:51:34] <SilicaGel2> me too!
[00:51:35] <SilicaGel2> I liked it
[00:51:55] <dwery> we had 1-wire adapters for them
[00:52:00] <SilicaGel2> huh!
[00:52:09] <dwery> they were pretty nice
[00:52:27] <SilicaGel2> they were a game changer, for sure. Poor palm.
[00:52:55] <dwery> and when they left we had no other handhelds to work on
[00:53:05] <dwery> given that I refuse to work on Windows devices
[00:53:09] <SilicaGel2> i had a pre; that was my first real exposure to OpenEmbedded
[00:53:11] <SilicaGel2> haha
[00:53:24] <dwery> when the iPhone come up we moved all of our software to it
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[00:53:29] <SilicaGel2> I bought a Dell Axim X51v and used it for a looooong time so I did some development on that / WM5 and 6
[00:53:32] <SilicaGel2> it wasn't that bad.
[00:53:38] <SilicaGel2> At least in .NET
[00:53:44] <dwery> windows reacts badly to me
[00:53:47] <SilicaGel2> me too
[00:53:51] <dwery> he smells I don't like him
[00:54:03] <aholler> palm in 1993 is like linux in 1990
[00:54:40] <dwery> SilicaGel: http://www.towertech.it/en/products/hardware/ireader-uc/ the 1 wire adapter
[00:54:43] <SilicaGel2> let's learn what the hell smart standby is
[00:54:53] <SilicaGel2> haha
[00:54:57] <SilicaGel2> i bought a bunch of those dallas ibuttons
[00:55:01] <SilicaGel2> i never did a goddamned thing with them
[00:55:04] <dwery> :D
[00:55:13] <dwery> the thermochron are pretty useful
[00:55:17] <SilicaGel2> I'm glad to see somebody did
[00:55:19] <dwery> if you actually care of the temperature
[00:55:35] <SilicaGel2> they use them at myg rocery store, the kids who sweep the floors have to click on them to prove they did some work
[00:55:53] <dwery> that the common use nowadays
[00:56:03] <SilicaGel2> i understand some mass transit systems in asia too?
[00:56:20] <dwery> the problem is that Maxim bought Dallas
[00:56:28] <SilicaGel2> that's a problem?
[00:56:30] <dwery> and they never cared so much about 1-wire
[00:56:40] <SilicaGel2> i have that "look at my horse, my horse is amazing" song stuck in my head :(
[00:57:03] <dwery> btw I even worked on VAN bus, which is used on some french made cars :D
[00:57:06] <SilicaGel2> wow they reference "smart stadby" 4 times in the TRM but not one place do they define it. wful.
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[01:03:24] <SilicaGel2> rud had to make the board bigger due to obstruction. glad i bought the parts first.
[01:04:15] <ds2> Hmmmm
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[01:07:35] <ds2> they expect the smartness to be standing by
[01:07:40] <SilicaGel2> o/~ Look at my horse, my horse is amazing ... o/~
[01:07:40] <ds2> no need to define that :D
[01:08:16] <SilicaGel2> the thing is, "smart standby" tells me that it's sitting there, like batman in stately wayne manor, waiting to spring into action when I need it
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[01:14:58] <ds2> brains on demand sort of thing? :D
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[02:34:27] <OrlandoT> When building Angstrom for Beaglebone I get this error
[02:34:28] <OrlandoT> ERROR: No recipes available for: recipes-connectivity/dhcp/dhcp_4.2.0.bbappend
[02:34:34] <OrlandoT> does anybody know how I can fix it?
[02:39:19] <OrlandoT> When building Angstrom for Beaglebone I get this error
[02:39:22] <OrlandoT> ERROR: No recipes available for: recipes-connectivity/dhcp/dhcp_4.2.0.bbappend
[02:39:28] <OrlandoT> does anybody know how I can fix it?
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[02:54:22] <BRockRoll> sorry for the noob question (did much google); minicom shows just "60" everytime I hit reset, any common thing I'm doing wrong?
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[02:55:43] <BRockRoll> also I did set it to /dev/ttyUSB0, no flow control, etc.
[03:01:13] <OrlandoT> the exact path is /home/orlcp440/setup-scripts/sources/meta-openembedded/meta-oe/recipes-connectivity/dhcp/dhcp_4.2.0.bbappend
[03:01:29] <OrlandoT> the exact path is /home/orlcp440/setup-scripts/sources/meta-openembedded/meta-oe/recipes-connectivity/dhcp/dhcp_4.2.0.bbappend
[03:04:08] <aholler> BRockRoll: your sd is bad
[03:05:17] <BRockRoll> aholler: what's an SD?
[03:05:29] <aholler> sd-card
[03:05:57] <BRockRoll> are you just guessing? I should at least see some messages about the X-Loader right?
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[03:06:32] <aholler> I'm not guessing. where does the x-loader come from?
[03:07:44] <BRockRoll> aholler: I assumed that some code on the board must be fixed, and able to initialize the ability to speak over SDIO and read from card
[03:08:28] <aholler> and if it doesn' find a loader there it tries the serial, therefor the 60
[03:08:56] <aholler> so build a card with a proper MLO
[03:09:17] <BRockRoll> aholler: I've been trying, but this script everyone uses requires a bunch of junk be installed like kpartx
[03:09:23] <BRockRoll> aholler: trying now to do it manually
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[03:13:48] <aholler> try resizing the first partition or similiar. the rom-code is like a diva and doesn't like every fat mkfs produces
[03:13:59] <BRockRoll> hehe
[03:14:27] <BRockRoll> this one guide I'm following now is having me do a bunch of sector/head/cylinder stuff and the values that came by default were all wrong; hopefully this will lead to success
[03:14:43] <BRockRoll> I know you're anxiously waiting; will let you know as soon as I have something
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[03:39:31] <BRockRoll> go go sync
[03:42:16] <BRockRoll> ...got 60
[03:46:40] <djlewis> try the user button ?
[03:49:23] <BRockRoll> yea user just does nothing
[03:49:27] <BRockRoll> every reset prints "60" though
[03:51:13] <djlewis> which model ?
[03:51:25] <aholler> 60= xm
[03:51:31] <djlewis> hmm
[03:51:41] <BRockRoll> yea I'm seeing the google hits now, people having similar problems
[03:52:01] <djlewis> aholler set you straight
[03:52:16] <djlewis> sd card is not right
[03:52:51] <OrlandoT> When building Angstrom for Beaglebone I get this error ERROR: No recipes available for: recipes-connectivity/dhcp/dhcp_4.2.0.bbappend
[03:52:55] <OrlandoT> does anybody know how I can fix it?
[03:52:55] <BRockRoll> that's like the FAA declaring "the plane was messed up" at the end of a crash investigation
[03:53:25] <aholler> your plane never left ground
[03:55:33] <BRockRoll> runway incidents happen
[03:56:47] <aholler> but you are not alone, the diva is responsible for an uncountable amount of hours people had spend formatting sd-cards
[03:57:56] <aholler> and it's a source of many myths. ;)
[03:59:05] <BRockRoll> you people are too smart for me to believe that you're all just repeating the partition/reformat steps until it works
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[03:59:12] <BRockRoll> somebody's gotta know wtf's going wrong
[03:59:46] <aholler> ansearch the ml, there is mail from one named vladimir whichexplains whats going on
[04:00:32] <aholler> http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/ae8e64e6be02baae
[04:05:06] <BRockRoll> I compiled his program and it actually prints PASS :(
[04:05:31] <aholler> and the partition is marked active?
[04:06:25] <aholler> and a MLO is there?
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[04:06:40] <BRockRoll> dunno what active is; it's marked bootable (I used 'a' in fdisk)
[04:07:07] <BRockRoll> yep got MLO, u-boot.bin u-boot.img (copied it just to be sure) and uImage
[04:07:52] <aholler> play a bit more, it's something like the beagle-school to take that hurdle ;)
[04:08:28] <BRockRoll> http://pastebin.com/6QLR2MBK
[04:08:36] <BRockRoll> any pitfalls in there? what about my start at 2048?
[04:09:16] <djlewis> i just started using the mkcard scripts for my cards
[04:10:04] <djlewis> a long time ago
[04:11:30] <BRockRoll> ok wait
[04:11:51] <BRockRoll> there was no check if open() succeed in vladimir's code
[04:12:06] <BRockRoll> without root privileges open() would fail and junk values could result in "PASS"
[04:12:21] <BRockRoll> with sudo, values that match with fdisk shows come up and I get "FAIL!"
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[04:18:06] <BRockRoll> go go hexcurse
[04:18:15] <BRockRoll> start: 2048 mbr: 497953 bpb: 497953 -> PASS
[04:19:03] <BRockRoll> woohoo look at all these green lights!
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[05:07:34] <kosta> hi all! I have a question about beaglebone ain. I got standard build, and I don't see /sys/devices/platform/tsc/ directory to monitor AIN values in the shell. In fact, subdir "tsc" is totally missing. What am I doing wrong?
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[05:24:10] <kosta> anybody reading this channel?
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[05:46:43] <TheAlphaNerd> kosta: I am reading but unfortunately do not know how to help you
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[05:57:54] <jay6981> kosta: maybe modules not loaded or other kernel config issue
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[07:15:21] <chattel> I'm trying to use ttyO4 and ttyO5, but it does not seem to work. Is there software configuration that must be done before using it?
[07:15:45] <chattel> beaglebone A3
[07:19:06] <LetoThe2nd> first thing would be checking the kernel config if they get provided. besides, "it does not seem to work" is the second most useless error description. the most useless one is "does not work"...
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[07:25:03] <chattel> Thanks Russ. Connecting to the bone using tx=9,13, rx=9,11 with known good serial system at 3.3V. No input. Using vanilla angstrom image.
[07:25:13] <Russ> hey, no problem!
[07:25:32] <Russ> wait, who are you?
[07:25:40] <LetoThe2nd> hrhrhr
[07:25:54] <LetoThe2nd> as i said, check kernel config and possibly pinmux
[07:26:12] <chattel> ah, sorry Russ, got you confused with LetoThe2nd
[07:26:17] <chattel> thanks LetoThe2nd
[07:26:27] <LetoThe2nd> Russ: hey, you also look like a sandworm?
[07:26:37] <Russ> ?
[07:27:01] <Russ> ah, atreides
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[07:29:59] <chattel> Leto, device is in /dev/ttyO4. Shows up in /proc/tty/driver/OMAP-SERIAL
[07:30:52] <chattel> just doesn't seem to allow input. Disabled flow control. Seems to have received one byte, according to OMAP-SERIAL
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[07:31:19] <LetoThe2nd> i'd still vote for checking pinmux
[07:31:58] <chattel> Thanks
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[07:54:42] <Jayneil> i tried booting my bealgeboard xm using the latest 2012 angstrom demo images..but it gives an error saying that it cannot read uEnv.txt. Then it says that it cannot get the Kernel image
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[07:57:27] <thealphanerd> Jayneil: how did you set it up
[07:57:31] <thealphanerd> do you have a boot partition?
[07:59:00] <Jayneil> yes
[07:59:08] <Jayneil> one boot partition and one angstrom
[07:59:24] <Jayneil> Here is the output I get from minicom when i boot my board
[07:59:36] <Jayneil> http://pastebin.com/7e2u4cqa
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[08:11:50] <chattel> Leto, you were right, mux was set incorrectly. thanks
[08:13:27] <Jayneil> anyone have any ideas why my beagleboard is not able to find the kernel image..?? I even tried pushing the user button, but even that did not solve the problem..
[08:13:36] <av500> Jayneil: lookd like it tries to boot the kernel from the ext2 partition
[08:13:39] <av500> looks
[08:13:44] <av500> in /boo/uimage
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[08:16:48] <Jayneil> i see. it should actually look in the fat partition . so what should i do know..? do i have to create a uEnv.txt file?
[08:18:41] <av500> or place the kernel in /boot/ on the ext2
[08:18:59] <Jayneil> ok..will try it now
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[08:26:28] <Jayneil> Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel.
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[08:26:33] <Jayneil> got this error
[08:27:27] <LetoThe2nd> then i'd check the bootargs, and eventually look out for the rootwait arg (or howsitcalled nowadays)
[08:28:17] <LetoThe2nd> + make sure that there's an init waiting there :)
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[10:08:45] <koen> sweetness
[10:08:58] <koen> 2 weeks of holiday, starting now
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[10:09:09] <mattzz> have fun!
[10:09:29] <koen> this 2 weeks notice thing is working out to my advantage
[10:10:11] <av500> you mean, its over now?
[10:10:15] <av500> *now*
[10:10:24] <koen> in 3 hours and 50 minutes
[10:10:28] <av500> \o/
[10:10:36] * koen can't count
[10:10:39] <koen> 5 hours 50
[10:10:47] <koen> today is my last day at TI
[10:10:49] <av500> i was about to say :)
[10:10:58] <av500> koen: make sure to rm -rf all your work
[10:11:11] <av500> but make a copy 1st
[10:11:25] <LetoThe2nd> hrhrhr
[10:11:55] <koen> as much as I want to, I'm not going to copy the pvr source tree
[10:12:10] <koen> the code makes my eyes bleed anyway
[10:12:12] <av500> no need, I have it
[10:12:49] * koen hands av500 a wipe
[10:12:57] <av500> I think if one crosses the pvr source code with flash lite source code, a black hole appears instantly
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[10:13:46] <LetoThe2nd> av500: hehe - and out comes singularity
[10:13:54] * koen finds a huge box and starts packing up TI gear
[10:14:00] <av500> no, pandemonium
[10:14:09] <LetoThe2nd> av500: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singularity_(operating_system)
[10:14:31] <LetoThe2nd> av500: oh, you mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemonium_(Pet_Shop_Boys_album)
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[10:17:40] <av500> "Elvis has left the Silo"
[10:18:58] <aholler> he's still alive?
[10:19:29] <LetoThe2nd> according to bruce campbell, not anymore.
[10:19:53] <av500> "OElvis has left the Silo"
[10:20:17] * koen makes a note to slip 'silOE' into an email somewhere
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[11:04:48] <aholler> silOE like silly OE or for what does that stand for?
[11:05:18] <aholler> just get gentoo ;)
[11:07:41] <av500> gentoe
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[11:17:21] <aholler> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kgPlsczhZg
[11:18:29] <av500> omg, while playing an mp3 file - with all the 10mhz that needs....
[11:19:08] * av500 could drive a bike and listen to his walkman at the same time - in the 80s.....
[11:19:21] <av500> with single-brain
[11:19:34] <aholler> and nobody mentioned the time need to unlock the device(s), thus making them usable
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[11:20:32] <av500> the walkman?
[11:20:42] <aholler> I still have one ;)
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[11:20:52] <av500> rooted?
[11:21:27] <aholler> yes, can play every tape
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[11:22:25] <aholler> amazing technic
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[11:22:53] <aholler> it even has a button to record things.
[11:23:16] <av500> wow
[11:23:32] <av500> a pirate device
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[11:24:02] <aholler> I'm awaiting letters from some lawyers
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[11:25:50] <aholler> so the dark side got me long time ago
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[11:30:23] <aholler> I should spend this to some museum, "this were the (dark) times where you could made private copies to hear music when and where you wanted without getting known by some company"
[11:31:14] <av500> in fact, you paid a few cents per blank tape for that
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[11:31:37] <kate123> hey i've got a beaglebone rev4 and my ethernet doesn't work. i remove the r219 but with my debian demo the ethernet dosen't work either
[11:31:45] <kate123> have anyone an idea
[11:31:50] <aholler> yes, now i'm paying more and get less
[11:32:43] <kate123> hey i've got a beaglebone rev4 and my ethernet doesn't work. i remove the r219 but with my debian demo the ethernet dosen't work either what can i do now
[11:33:04] <aholler> write a better problem description
[11:34:10] <av500> and/or ask in #debian
[11:35:32] <kate123> so i've got a beaglebone rev4 with a running debian distribution. now i can not connect via ethernet to the beaglebone
[11:36:29] <kate123> i searched in the interent and i found a thread that i should remove the R2190 resistor. i remove it. but the ethernet port dosen't work
[11:37:10] <kate123> aholler: maybe there is a sw solution
[11:37:15] <kate123> or hardware
[11:37:27] <aholler> you've tried using a cable?
[11:37:54] <kate123> usb cable?
[11:38:15] <aholler> preferable an ethernet cable
[11:38:39] <aholler> some IPs are needed too and ...
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[11:39:56] <aholler> might become hard to get the old ones, they've become rare
[11:40:11] <kate123> yes i've tried using a cable
[11:41:12] <kate123> when i'm using the ifconfig command i got only this lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:8 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:8 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:560 (560.0 B) TX bytes:560
[11:41:43] <mattzz> ifup -v eth0
[11:41:45] <kate123> but in my /etc/netstart/interfaces i enable a static ip adress
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[11:43:22] <kate123> Configuring interface eth0=eth0 (inet) run-parts --verbose /etc/network/if-pre-up.d ifconfig eth0 192.168.101.45 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.101.255 up SIOCSIFADDR: No such device eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device SIOCSIFBRDADDR: No such device eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such d
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[11:44:10] <mattzz> dmesg | grep eth0
[11:44:34] <kate123> [ 4.697632] udev[196]: renamed network interface eth0 to eth2
[11:44:36] <mattzz> and please use pastebin
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[11:44:57] <mattzz> there you have it
[11:47:00] <aholler> mv /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules /root
[11:47:24] <av500> mattzz: pastebin please
[11:47:36] <aholler> that rule doesn't make much sense on a device which always uses a new mac
[11:47:41] <mattzz> av500: ?
[11:49:48] <mattzz> av500: my understanding is that pasting multiple lines in a chat is discouraged, no?
[11:50:30] <av500> indeed
[11:50:33] <av500> so use pastebin
[11:50:39] <dm8tbr> that's why he said 'pastebin'
[11:53:04] <mattzz> I'm lost ;)
[11:53:19] <av500> there is always google
[11:53:27] <av500> #1 irc rule, google it
[11:53:34] <av500> s/irc/life/
[11:54:32] <mattzz> I'm lost regarding your comments.
[11:54:40] <aholler> it's friday
[11:54:45] <kate123> # This file was automatically generated by the /lib/udev/write_net_rules # program, run by the persistent-net-generator.rules rules file. # # You can modify it, as long as you keep each rule on a single # line, and change only the value of the NAME= key. # Unknown net device (/devices/platform/cpsw.0/net/eth0) (cpsw) SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="d4:94:a1:39:10:44", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0", ATTR{type}=
[11:54:50] <mattzz> ;)
[11:54:56] <av500> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/119571-mozilla-partners-up-with-lg-to-combat-apple-and-google-with-its-own-device
[11:55:04] <av500> LG of all companies
[11:55:23] <av500> kate123: use pastebin
[11:56:10] <spow> err ... is there a reason why I can fopen/fprintf /sys/class/gpio/gpiox/direction and not .../value ?
[11:57:36] <kate123> # This file was automatically generated by the /lib/udev/write_net_rules # program, run by the persistent-net-generator.rules rules file. # # You can modify it, as long as you keep each rule on a single # line, and change only the value of the NAME= key. # Unknown net device (/devices/platform/cpsw.0/net/eth0) (cpsw) SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="d4:94:a1:39:10:44", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0", ATTR{ty
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[11:59:37] <kate123> http://pastebin.com/zp7SsPGW
[11:59:47] <kate123> sorry i forgot
[12:01:17] <koen> FRIDAY!
[12:01:25] <av500> \\oo//
[12:01:28] <koen> or as Crofton|work would experience it: FIRday!
[12:01:58] <av500> IIRday never ends?
[12:03:11] <mattzz> kate123: you can either modify the rules file regarding eth0/eth2 or /etc/network/interfaces
[12:03:25] <aholler> kate123: that stuff basically renames your ethernet device on every boot because you allways get a different mac. find out how to always use the same mac or how to disable that mechanism
[12:04:34] <Crofton|work> heh
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[12:08:40] <aholler> maybe just "mv /lib/udev/write_net_rules /root" helps
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[12:15:25] <tomo11> av500 that looks more like a misionary position than a hooray :D
[12:15:47] <av500> its motion blur...
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[12:16:53] <tomo11> :)
[12:20:18] <kate123> mattzz: thanks a lot i made a stupid mistake
[12:20:54] <kate123> i configure debian with another beaglebone so its a different mac
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[12:21:44] <kate123> embarrassing
[12:23:03] <mattzz> np ;)
[12:35:47] <koen> Crofton|work: vhost on emerald is active, you should be able to point www. to there now
[12:37:06] <spow> in any language I can use the GPIO but in C for some reason I can't open /sys/class/gpio/gpiox/value in a proper manner
[12:37:21] <spow> using fopen buffers the changes to the file until the end of the program
[12:37:24] <av500> how do you open it in another language?
[12:37:34] <spow> I just write to it
[12:37:42] <spow> echo ... > ...
[12:37:54] <aholler> get rid of the f
[12:38:00] <av500> yes
[12:38:16] <spow> you mean the open syscall ?
[12:38:36] <av500> fopen != open
[12:38:57] <spow> doesn't work either, O_SYNC fails the same (bufferized) and O_DIRECT makes the open call fail directly
[12:41:15] <aholler> the first one guessing your open call will win a rma for his crystal ball
[12:42:33] <spow> fd = open("/sys/class/gpio/gpio70/value", O_WRONLY | O_CREAT | O_DIRECT, 0666);
[12:42:37] <spow> fails at call
[12:42:44] <av500> create?
[12:42:51] <av500> direct?
[12:43:26] <av500> open(foo, O_WRONLY)
[12:43:39] <spow> create is in every call that works (I used strace) and direct because otherwise it's buffered
[12:44:03] <av500> well, the close it
[12:44:08] <av500> it will be written
[12:44:26] <av500> open(foo, O_WRONLY); write(...); close();
[12:44:28] <av500> done
[12:44:37] <spow> yay suboptimality :)
[12:44:52] <av500> ?
[12:45:19] <spow> I do that in a loop, so lots of unnecesssary calls
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[12:46:12] <av500> given that you are talking to a virtual filesystem, I'd dare say why care?
[12:47:22] <av500> but yes, optimize early
[12:49:34] <aholler> checking the rc of open might help sometimes too ;)
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[12:52:36] <aholler> but av500 usually leaves that out as exercise for the reader ;)
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[12:54:45] <spow> av500: I confirm it works if you close the file each time ;)
[12:55:16] <spow> aholler: what do you mean by "rc" ?
[12:55:19] <av500> welcome to sysfs :)
[12:55:28] <aholler> return code
[12:55:29] <av500> return code
[12:55:35] <av500> strerror(errno)
[12:55:49] <spow> ah you mean the nice errno code
[12:55:53] <av500> stuff like that
[12:56:12] <spow> yeah I have exit(errno) in case I read <0 or NULL
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[13:26:02] <spow> I found better than fopen fclose each loop, I can fflush the file which buffers
[13:26:13] <spow> I assume it's a tad faster
[13:27:10] <nonix> Hi guys, I guess 'm not first who's asking; anyone know what happen to angstrom-distribution.org server?
[13:27:34] <aholler> holidays
[13:27:45] <spow> servers on holidays ? :D
[13:28:03] <aholler> everyone and thing needs freetime ;)
[13:29:45] <nonix> got it, any info about when its back from holiday?
[13:31:01] <spow> you could always use the cache from google
[13:31:54] <koen> or http://beagleboard.org/angstrom
[13:32:52] <nonix> I've just got mine beaglebone, and would like to connect it with MMA7260 accelerometer, the tsc/ainN is good but its more for reading temperature or so, but for accelero I would like to have a stream of data? anyone can advice, please.
[13:33:59] <spow> if your accelerometer is analog and connected to ainx then you can only poll at the desired frequency
[13:34:51] <koen> I'd go for a spi or i2c accelerometer
[13:35:01] <koen> the ADC drivers on the bone are ehm
[13:35:03] <koen> ehm
[13:35:10] <koen> "unfinished"
[13:35:37] <nonix> great news, koen, are they going to more like a stream?
[13:36:10] <koen> yet get an event device, so "yes"
[13:36:24] <koen> and most of them have an interupt line to signal drops and taps
[13:36:42] <koen> option b is to hack the tsadc driver
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[13:37:39] <nonix> yah, that's the reason I was looking for angstrom server ...till you suggested the mirror
[13:39:10] <nonix> ... which is kind a dead, too or I can't get in.
[13:41:33] <nonix> thx a lot koen,spow ... for the valuable info, will get to it next week, got to go now....
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[13:42:06] <spow> first time i'm being thanked here :P
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[13:59:47] <mdp> koen, when will you finish the codezz?
[13:59:59] <koen> never
[14:02:07] <mdp> it's like me working on the adafruit driver in my copious spare time
[14:02:21] <mdp> as I keep stacking other distractions in front of it
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[14:03:06] <mattzz> mdp: do you have a .config for your st7735fb tree on the githubzz? I am struggling to build the kernel as I am getting undefined references
[14:03:36] <mdp> mattzz, the omap2plus_defconfig is updated in that branch
[14:03:46] <mdp> did you pick the st7735fb branch?
[14:03:52] <mattzz> mdp: yep
[14:04:25] <mdp> let me surf over there and take a look to refresh my memory???I kinda left stuff hanging in november :)
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[14:04:49] <mattzz> mdp: I will check for the omap2plus, thanks!
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[14:07:54] <mdp> well, I lied
[14:07:57] <mdp> I do that a lot
[14:08:06] <mdp> mattzz, apparently I didn't push a happy defconfig
[14:08:42] <mdp> I'll push that in a few
[14:08:54] <mattzz> mdp: cool, thanks a lot.
[14:09:28] <mdp> mattzz, if it helps at all, I intend to rebase this support to vaibhav's github beaglebone tree that he announced on the list..then continue cleanup from there
[14:09:42] <mdp> but won't have time until next weekish
[14:10:45] <mdp> koen, that reminds me???at one time, there were pmic changes that would smoke an old A1 board???do you know if current trees are A1 safe?
[14:10:49] <mattzz> thats great news. I just want to learn about kernel modules development so I think your tree is still a good starting point for playing with the adafruit display
[14:11:34] <mdp> mattzz, it's at least known working if totally out of date, I'll fix that
[14:12:46] <mdp> mattzz, you might also look at kkeller's post on the list???he did some neat stuff with driving one of those nokia displays from userspace???obviously not performance oriented like a kernel driver, but very cool from javascript
[14:13:33] <koen> mdp: no idea, my <A3 boards have partial eeprom, so they don't boot at all
[14:14:57] <mattzz> mdp: Thx, I will check it out. Were you referring to https://github.com/hvaibhav/am335x-linux?
[14:15:54] <koen> no, ohporter
[14:16:30] <mattzz> ah, ohporter will be rebased to vaibhav?
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[14:16:37] <mdp> koen, oh, well, I have no eeprom programmed on the A1s, none of that ever existed
[14:16:46] <koen> mdp: then it should be ok
[14:17:32] <mdp> mattzz, yeah, I'll rebase the st7735fb related commits to hvaibhav's tree RSN
[14:18:01] <mattzz> got it, thx. Gotta get more used to git lingo ;) And to git...
[14:18:03] <mdp> that's the canonical best working most feature complete, closest to mainline tree
[14:18:07] <koen> mdp: with my new found spare time the next weeks I'll work on a cape design for 2x st7735fb
[14:18:12] <mdp> for bone, that is
[14:18:18] <mdp> koen, nice! :)
[14:18:35] <mattzz> sweet.
[14:18:46] <mdp> make sure, you make the codez to have the two additional bitbanged uSD slots work too :P
[14:19:01] <mdp> koen, though that's a freebie as we know
[14:19:18] <mattzz> actually, it called "teh codez"
[14:19:23] <mdp> everybody will want 3 functional uSD slots
[14:19:25] <mdp> oops, sorry
[14:19:37] <koen> mdp: I'm going to make a cape that uses the bare lcds: https://www.adafruit.com/products/618
[14:19:39] <mdp> I'm so old I fsck that l88t speak up
[14:19:54] <mattzz> hehe
[14:19:56] <koen> and both on one spi port
[14:20:12] <mdp> koen, oh yeah???I assume you'll just hot bar solder the fpc then?
[14:20:33] <mdp> assuming you try this on a proto cape first...
[14:20:42] <mattzz> best to skip the slow 4050
[14:21:17] <koen> mdp: I'm going to leverage my new employer
[14:21:19] <mdp> koen, keep in mind that I set up the driver generic enough to handle any configuration..it's actually partially ready even for a completely different lcd hooked to that controller
[14:21:24] <mdp> but not quite there yet
[14:22:32] <mdp> your cape will only different in number of instances though
[14:22:47] <mdp> koen, gotcha..that's going to be nice
[14:24:00] <mdp> koen, is anybody doing an xbee cape? I was thinking about bone as an aggregation point for some remote sensors
[14:24:17] <koen> I've only heard rumours
[14:24:25] <mdp> pretty simple one, of course
[14:24:34] <mdp> though there's usb stuff too
[14:24:44] * koen checks the official cape registrar
[14:24:47] <mdp> so maybe pointless for my purposes come to think of it
[14:24:53] <jwinnebeck> there's a cape registrar?
[14:25:12] <mdp> yeah, boris houndleroy runs it
[14:27:51] * av500 proposes a jumpsuit cape to store unused jumpers
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[14:30:34] <mdp> not bad, it's like the area in vehicle fuses boxes to store spare fuses
[14:30:49] <mdp> av500, you are bubbling with great ideas
[14:31:39] <mdp> maybe there would be room for a first aid kit on that cape too
[14:31:58] <av500> I'd like on with a lib where I can stroe small parts and screws
[14:32:01] <av500> lid
[14:33:11] <av500> also a cape with a 8x1 char LCD that shows the current git hash of the kernel
[14:33:17] <mdp> hehe
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[14:33:36] <av500> 1.x8 in fact
[14:33:37] <mdp> powered by bonescript
[14:33:40] <av500> 1x8
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[14:34:45] <mdp> I was thinking of a doomsday clock cape, counting down the time on a nice OLED display until we run out of time to implement capes later this year
[14:35:17] <mdp> and were all busy shooting zombies or however this will go down
[14:35:49] <av500> I thought we treck to the himalayas?
[14:35:59] <av500> to catch a crouse ship...
[14:36:03] <av500> criuse even
[14:36:06] <av500> cruise
[14:36:08] <av500> i give up
[14:36:14] <av500> spellink is not for me
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[14:38:05] <mdp> np, I'm not much into reedin an rytin myself
[14:39:22] <mattzz> mdp: would you expect the 7735 module to work with a more recent tree or would you expect problems due to the missing DMA safeness?
[14:42:48] <mdp> I think it will fail since I heard that koen/vaibhav's tree added working edma support to mcspi
[14:43:16] <koen> extra dma?
[14:43:17] * av500 wonders how working with Edna is...
[14:43:24] <koen> as opposed to silent dma?
[14:43:29] <av500> koen: super dma
[14:43:35] <mdp> correction: it *will* fail if dma is engaged..how's that for confidence?
[14:43:54] <mdp> anyway, minor issues I'll address when I work on it next week
[14:44:02] <mattzz> thx
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[14:45:30] <mdp> unfortunately, some work distractions chewed into my hacking time over the last 3 months
[14:45:48] <mattzz> pesky distractions???.
[14:45:50] <av500> mdp: you have to stand strong
[14:45:57] <av500> dont let work distract you
[14:46:14] <mdp> av500, it does suck???work tends to ruin the important coding tasks
[14:46:39] * koen reads https://github.com/blog/1056-blob-contributions-box
[14:46:39] <mdp> if I could be strong enough to limit their time to 8.0 hours per day...
[14:46:45] <koen> instant git blame!
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[14:48:21] <koen> jkridner___: can you fix up the index.html on the s3 mirrors?
[14:48:38] <jkridner___> I'll give it a shot.
[14:49:00] <jkridner___> "coundn't connect to host"
[14:51:45] <prpplague> ho ho ho
[14:51:49] <prpplague> merry freakin friday!
[14:52:06] * prpplague reaches into his red bag to hand out gifts of prozac and rum
[14:52:23] <av500> one each please
[14:53:01] <koen> jkridner___: right, it's down, that;s why we need the mirrors
[14:53:03] <wmat> prpplague: heh
[14:53:13] <mdp> prpplague: two please, I have a friend that needs those gifts too
[14:53:22] <jkridner___> not much to be able to do about that retractively.
[14:53:52] * prpplague gives out the rum and prozac with dobles to mdp
[14:53:53] <koen> jkridner___: for i * ; echo <a href=.... >> index.html ; done?
[14:54:10] * prpplague throws yocto thumbs drives at jkridner___ since jkridner___ has been bad this week
[14:54:34] <koen> jkridner___ has been working on world peace
[14:54:38] <koen> ehm, device tree
[14:54:49] <koen> hard to see the difference with all that DT propaganda
[14:55:10] * prpplague is totally frustrated with DT
[14:55:38] <koen> they should have done mv arch/arm arch/arm-old and repopulted arch/arm with converted drivers
[14:56:00] <av500> I thought it was about converting developers?
[14:56:01] * wmat patiently awaits PDFs of ELC presentations ;)
[14:56:11] <mdp> prpplague: DT didn't bring you world peas?
[14:56:12] <koen> wmat: javascript!
[14:56:28] <koen> mdp: it looks like your cable mishap broke video and audio
[14:56:41] <wmat> koen: eh?
[14:56:49] <koen> mdp: so I only get 13 minutes of awesomeness in that elc vid
[14:56:54] <mdp> koen, bummer
[14:56:54] <koen> wmat: my presentation was in js :)
[14:57:18] <prpplague> mdp: right now i would characterize it somewhat like using a jalapeno as a suppository
[14:57:23] <mdp> koen, I will send a nastygram to LF, "you #$!@@#!$@#, I only got my 13 minutes of fame!!!"
[14:57:45] <prpplague> hehe
[14:58:10] <wmat> koen: you have to be different eh? No matter, tar it up and send it and I'll post it as an archive with a note that it's eveil.
[14:58:17] <wmat> evil even
[14:58:27] <mdp> koen, are you saying that during my time in the champagne room, I cause so much damage that later visitors to the champagne room could not fully take part in what it had to offer?
[14:58:31] <koen> wmat: it's up at the LF site already
[14:58:49] <koen> mdp: I'm saying there's no video evidence of what went on
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[14:58:54] <prpplague> funny i can't get any of the videos to play behind TI's proxy
[14:59:01] <mdp> koen, excellent! my job is safe
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[14:59:23] <wmat> koen: ah, i see
[14:59:26] <mdp> prpplague: I will fedex a usb stick with the videos to your desk
[14:59:35] <prpplague> hehe
[15:00:51] * prpplague does not understand why some people think ICS is a good environment for doing hardware validation and bringup
[15:01:24] <koen> prpplague: android 6.0 will be called 'Kool-Aid'
[15:01:35] <mdp> prpplague: just had that conversation with a friend that's doing some contracting over in your world
[15:01:58] <wmat> koen: do we all have to gather at a camp in south america in order to install it?
[15:02:04] <mdp> prpplague: somebody originally suggested he use ICS for some upstream scheduler work and testing..hehe
[15:02:10] <prpplague> mdp: do i need to deliver some some rum and prozac?
[15:02:16] <prpplague> mdp: hehe
[15:02:28] <koen> wmat: no, mountain view
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[15:02:49] <mdp> you slide over the briefcase with rum and prozac and my people will put the usb sticks of ELC videos in your trunk
[15:02:51] <wmat> same difference
[15:02:59] <wmat> it's all south of canada ;)
[15:03:08] <prpplague> wmat: hehe
[15:04:07] <av500> prpplague: because android is awesome
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[15:04:16] <av500> and iOS5 is even harder to use for bringup
[15:04:35] <prpplague> wmat: whats that saying... something like "America thinks of Canada as their eccentric brother to the north, but Canada thinks of America as their mentally handicapped cousin to the south"
[15:05:06] <av500> Canadians think the USians are related to them?
[15:05:16] <mdp> I use OSX when I bringing up new x86 h/w
[15:05:59] <wmat> prpplague: sounds about right
[15:06:56] <wmat> prpplague: except that we realize that cousin can beat us up whenever they please
[15:06:57] <koen> prpplague: going to try getting a visit to my new HQ soon
[15:07:13] <wmat> koen: where?
[15:07:27] <prpplague> koen: dandy
[15:07:35] <koen> wmat: dallas, TX
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[15:08:41] <av500> koen: seems like RANTday: http://lists.linaro.org/pipermail/linaro-dev/2010-December/001939.html
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[15:13:26] <wmat> that's a goodie
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[15:13:58] <jkridner___> temporary relief: http://www.beagleboard.org/angstrom-mirror/www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
[15:14:46] <jkridner___> if anyeone knows the magic with apache to make the paths to CSS/JS/etc. work, I can fix http://www.beagleboard.org/angstrom-mirror/www.angstrom-distribution.org/
[15:14:57] <jkridner___> prpplague: why are you picking on me?
[15:17:29] <av500> http://lists.linaro.org/pipermail/linaro-dev/2010-December/001935.html
[15:17:45] <av500> "It appears that this discussion ended up on phoronix.com [1]...."
[15:17:50] <av500> of course it did
[15:18:04] <jkridner___> http://beagleboard.org/angstrom/
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[15:21:53] <ynezz> "Can't we all just be happy that we actually have 3D drivers?" "Can't you just use Windows?"
[15:21:59] <ynezz> hehe
[15:22:37] <aholler> which 3d drivers?
[15:23:11] <av500> arm gpu
[15:23:15] <av500> whichever
[15:23:19] <aholler> the mali-stuff?
[15:23:20] <av500> since all are closed
[15:23:23] <av500> all of them
[15:23:28] <av500> arm soc
[15:23:31] <ynezz> 16:08:38 < av500> koen: seems like RANTday: http://lists.linaro.org/pipermail/linaro-dev/2010-December/001939.html
[15:23:35] <ynezz> it's from this thread
[15:23:48] <jkridner___> http://beagleboard.org/angstrom/ is updated again.
[15:24:39] <aholler> ynezz: your time is wrong
[15:25:01] <av500> only 3s off
[15:25:02] <aholler> ah, no, sorry
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[15:25:36] <aholler> got confused, but those two mails just ranting generaly.
[15:25:56] <ynezz> oh no! 3 seconds! alarm!
[15:26:12] <ynezz> what should I do?
[15:26:19] <av500> run
[15:26:29] <ynezz> home, good idea
[15:27:38] <jkridner___> koen: note http://beagleboard.org/angstrom
[15:28:18] <Crofton|work> anyone know if eglibc has NEON versions of sin/cos
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[15:28:30] <aholler> funny, someone from mcafee had a talk about m68k at the elc.
[15:28:50] <koen> jkridner___: thanks
[15:29:12] <aholler> did the even exist when m68k was used last? ;)
[15:29:27] <SilicaGel> heee
[15:30:19] <SilicaGel> What was the M68K based QUICC processor
[15:30:19] <SilicaGel> that thing lingered on way longer than the days of the actualy m68k
[15:30:30] <SilicaGel> In the days before ARM (gasp, it's horrifying considering that), I did a lot of stuff with MPC850 and MPC860
[15:30:44] * SilicaGel stabs windows in the crank
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[15:31:50] <SilicaGel> Is that too american-colloquial?
[15:32:12] * SilicaGel stabs windows in the johnson
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[15:34:29] <aholler> maybe we all have already got infected by some undisclosed evil arm trojan, eating sources of graphic-drivers
[15:35:12] <ynezz> you mean ics?
[15:35:27] <av500> I Crush Source?
[15:35:31] <aholler> and mcafee comes too help after they finished their m68k-project
[15:35:42] <SilicaGel> wait what are you saying bad abuot ICS
[15:36:19] <SilicaGel> I got in on one of those $99 HP Touchpads, and I put ice cream sandwich on it, and I am in love with it
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[15:37:08] <jwinnebeck> koen: I was able to get on the beagle list, so that means my patch was able to make it out
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[15:37:59] <av500> jkridner___: koen: see the ML, somebody installed ubuntu because angstrom.org was down!!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:38:06] <koen> jwinnebeck: I have it applied locally already
[15:38:17] <koen> av500: and then asked how to use OE to build stuff for it :)
[15:38:20] <aholler> on top of ics?
[15:38:29] <jwinnebeck> koen: OK so I patched the proper tree then?
[15:38:39] <jwinnebeck> I was afraid after your comments yesterday I started from the wrong place
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[15:38:53] <jwinnebeck> I also have a patch for the meta-ti layer
[15:39:10] <jwinnebeck> because that's originally how I did it. I don't know if that is useful
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[15:39:29] <jwinnebeck> I needed it because I want to use bitbake systemd-image to get an image
[15:39:39] <koen> that's actually the proper way
[15:39:41] <jwinnebeck> and your repo isn't used in that... I don't quite understand what the plan is long-term
[15:39:58] <koen> read my mail to the beagle list
[15:40:00] <jwinnebeck> so should I post the patch for the meta-texasinstruments layer?
[15:40:07] <jwinnebeck> Ok I will read it again
[15:40:11] <koen> my repo is only there for people to dumb to use 'patch' or 'git am'
[15:40:30] <koen> or too lazy
[15:40:39] <jwinnebeck> "The long term goal is to manage everything with devicetree, but till that actually works on beaglebone use the cape method in the repo mentioned above."
[15:40:41] * dwery loves lazyness
[15:40:43] <jwinnebeck> I'm not sure what "devicetree" is
[15:40:49] <aholler> patch is evil, it eats comments
[15:40:56] <koen> jwinnebeck: have you seen starwars?
[15:41:02] <jwinnebeck> yes?
[15:41:06] <koen> jwinnebeck: with the jedi hand wave?
[15:41:08] <jwinnebeck> yes
[15:41:11] <SilicaGel> more importantly, has he seen that it is not as good as star trek?
[15:41:19] <koen> imagine that every time someone mentions devicetree
[15:41:26] <jwinnebeck> ok
[15:41:42] <panto> SilicaGel, MC68360
[15:41:49] <koen> it some magical fairyland solutions that will take some time to actually work
[15:41:50] <panto> and MC68302 before that
[15:41:51] <SilicaGel> panto: *snap* that's it!
[15:41:59] <jwinnebeck> that didn't seem to help me understand anything except to say that I'm not supposed to understand it, because devicetree isn't ther kernel I'm looking for :)
[15:42:04] <SilicaGel> 302 yes. 302 was the first one I remember...
[15:42:09] * panto had put alot of time on those
[15:42:24] <jwinnebeck> OK, so then koen but your kernel source isn't used in bitbake layer, so who is using this?
[15:42:34] <jwinnebeck> Shouldn't I also post the patch to the bitbake part?
[15:42:37] <panto> extra bonus points if your remember what the differences between MC68302 & MC68QH302 was :)
[15:42:37] <koen> jwinnebeck: lazy and/or dumb people
[15:42:48] <av500> jwinnebeck: DT is ACPI
[15:42:56] <koen> jwinnebeck: that repo is just the git version of the recipe
[15:43:02] <panto> av500, wut?
[15:43:14] <jwinnebeck> Yeah I understand, it's the kernel with the patches applied
[15:43:18] <jwinnebeck> which is good
[15:43:30] <jwinnebeck> But that's not what you use with bitbake systemd-image...
[15:43:38] <jwinnebeck> So I need to add the patch to the meta-ti layer
[15:43:51] <koen> right
[15:43:52] <jwinnebeck> so that everyone can use it, not just the lazy/dumb people as you say
[15:43:58] <jwinnebeck> OK then I should post that to beagle list too?
[15:44:05] <koen> if you want
[15:44:18] <jwinnebeck> ok I will do that now, it wasn't clear to me. That was actually the first commit I produced
[15:44:21] <jwinnebeck> the one for meta-ti
[15:44:45] <av500> why not shorten meta-ti to meti?
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[15:45:04] <mru> meti@home
[15:45:07] <koen> yetu!
[15:45:47] <panto> klendathu!
[15:46:30] <av500> klatu
[15:47:34] <emeb> cthulu
[15:48:16] <aholler> must be really evil that virus
[15:48:54] * emeb waits for news of a good virus
[15:49:09] <av500> stuxnet
[15:49:28] <emeb> depends on your perspective I guess
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[15:59:16] <etheretic1> av500: that's "klaatu". :-)
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[16:10:00] <koen> mdp: do you have a link to that LO you demoed?
[16:11:08] <koen> is it http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/open-workbench-logic-sniffer-p-612.html?cPath=174 ?
[16:12:59] <aholler> have this in my shopping basket ;)
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[16:15:36] <prpplague> koen: yea
[16:16:55] <prpplague> koen: if you are looking to buy one for work, i'd suggest either the saelie or the chronovu
[16:17:12] <prpplague> koen: http://sigrok.org/wiki/Main_Page
[16:20:38] * emeb has a salae. Seems to work OK.
[16:20:47] <aholler> my next toys: bus birate, open logic sniffer, coolrunner II and infrared toy ;)
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[16:23:39] <SilicaGel> did you say bus pirate? you want a bus pirate ? are you sure you mean bus?
[16:23:56] <aholler> looks handy
[16:25:04] * koen realizes he can actually expense that stuff now
[16:25:35] <aholler> SilicaGel: http://www.watterott.com/index.php?page=product&xee00c=59c04def1b070bee41c5d658c2c04b17&info=1470&xee00c=59c04def1b070bee41c5d658c2c04b17
[16:25:57] <prpplague> koen: i like the chronovu8 for most 3.3V stuff
[16:26:01] <SilicaGel> oh neat, and cheap
[16:26:03] <av500> gee, HD44780 LCD
[16:26:29] <SilicaGel> is this site like the sparkfun of europe?
[16:26:34] <aholler> yes
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[16:26:42] <aholler> at least for me
[16:27:04] <aholler> because they have so much of the embedded toys on offer
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[16:27:21] <SilicaGel> that's cool
[16:27:49] <SilicaGel> my friend found limor sells http://www.adafruit.com/products/126 and I just spent $24 for a board that does the same thing on sparkfun >:(
[16:29:51] <SilicaGel> oh no, High Wind Warning
[16:29:55] <aholler> isn't xbee dead?
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[16:36:22] <aholler> SilicaGel: they even have prpplague's stuff ;)
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[16:49:35] <SilicaGel> hrm my eagle license is single user
[16:49:39] <SilicaGel> but it doesn't say single isntallation
[16:49:42] <SilicaGel> and I can only be in one place at at ime
[16:49:48] <SilicaGel> so I wonder if I can install my license here too
[16:50:12] * SilicaGel checks the license
[16:53:22] <SilicaGel> yay it says it may be installed on as many computers as I want
[16:53:28] <SilicaGel> as long as I make sure only one can be used at a time
[16:55:59] <av500> you have to remove the CPU from the non-used one
[16:56:08] <av500> like you do with your starter cap
[16:58:06] <aholler> get a "useless machine" ;)
[16:59:18] <av500> but installing eagle on it makes it useful
[16:59:40] <koen> eagleboard?
[17:00:27] <SilicaGel> cadsoft eagle yeah
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[17:04:06] <aholler> the useless box is such a great idea. have to build such a thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKsP4vuTg2c ;)
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[17:14:14] <mdp> I concur with prpplague, if you want something that's just a COTS tool, Salae
[17:14:46] <mdp> if you want to play with open hardware and, in my experience, pretty much it just works like a Salae???then OBLS is it
[17:15:03] <mdp> keep in mind that Salae is limited to 24Mhz
[17:15:26] <koen> chronovu can do more
[17:15:46] <koen> sigrok wiki implies OBLS support is only so-so, no 200Ms/s mode
[17:15:49] <mdp> haven't tried that..I really liked Salae when I used it
[17:16:02] <mdp> sigrok was not my recommended client :)
[17:16:14] <mdp> the java crap one is
[17:16:17] <prpplague> koen: the chronovu can do more and is more robust, but it is limited to a min voltage of 2.0V
[17:16:32] <prpplague> koen: so if you are working with some of the omap stuff that will be an issue
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[17:17:20] <koen> ceil(1.8) = 2
[17:18:09] <prpplague> koen: yea i prefer to have something that can do as low as 1V
[17:18:26] <prpplague> koen: whatever you do, don't get a logicport
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[17:19:10] <prpplague> koen: the asix one is top of the line, but probably out of your budget
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[17:30:05] * mranostay scrolls uup
[17:30:07] <mranostay> *up
[17:37:38] <koen> up up and away!
[17:40:50] <_av500_> lacie dumped a 2x2tb nas on me
[17:41:02] <_av500_> well, not on me directly
[17:41:38] <mranostay> ouch
[17:41:43] <koen> esata?
[17:42:23] <_av500_> koen: says so on the box
[17:43:32] <_av500_> one ex coworker made me beta tester
[17:44:54] <_av500_> it comes with EU, UK, UK and "strange" plug
[17:44:58] <_av500_> US
[17:45:09] <mranostay> hey!
[17:45:34] <_av500_> US is not the "strange"
[17:45:35] <koen> _av500_: 2big quadra?
[17:45:45] <_av500_> koen: 2big NAS
[17:45:58] <_av500_> mranostay: US is the "joke" one
[17:48:02] <_av500_> ah, seems australasian
[17:49:28] <mdp> we prefer the term, "special", thank you very much
[17:50:19] <_av500_> mdp: when i saw a US mains plug for the 1st time, i thought it was for a model railway set
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[17:50:47] <jay6981> how is it any more of a "joke" than two round pins?
[17:51:15] <prpplague> oh lord, flame war of outlets....
[17:51:24] <jay6981> ridiculous??? i know
[17:51:39] <mdp> we will convert you to amuricun!
[17:51:52] <mdp> and 60Hz ftw!
[17:52:07] <mranostay> christ... we will bitch about anything won't we? :)
[17:52:24] <mdp> mranostay: go surfing
[17:52:54] <mranostay> not in that part of CA :)
[17:54:05] <_av500_> wifes 1st remark: where are you going to put that?
[17:54:16] <_av500_> its a design NAS!
[17:54:31] <aholler> exporting poweroutages is still a market niche
[17:55:24] <mranostay> aholler: touche
[17:57:10] <aholler> and environmental friendly, could become a green logo
[17:57:59] <jay6981> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Italy_blackout
[17:58:00] <aholler> and a price from astronomers ;)
[17:58:50] <mdp> mranostay, it's all the same just like AZ is a giant barren desert
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[18:01:09] <aholler> jay6981: that page is missing pictures like here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_blackout_of_2003 ;)
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[18:05:12] <mranostay> aholler: yes yes i know i recall that
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[18:06:55] <mranostay> mdp: Ohio had a nice part in that outage :)
[18:09:01] <mdp> yep
[18:09:18] <mdp> neighbor is a firstenergy grid op
[18:10:26] <mdp> if he was in the IT world, the job would be called, "Gridmaster"
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[18:12:43] <mranostay> sounds like a mildly stressful job
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[18:13:25] <mdp> perhaps a bit like being an "AirTrafficMaster" :)
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[18:13:38] <mranostay> heh
[18:13:48] <mranostay> when you eff up everyone knows :)
[18:14:19] <mranostay> probably why they make $150k a year :)
[18:14:31] <mdp> yeah
[18:15:18] <mdp> most people near me have a generator anyway, we are on well water..so if the grid goes down, there's no running water otherwise
[18:15:45] <mdp> not that this happens regularly..but just in case
[18:16:11] <mranostay> well no compound is complete without a generator
[18:16:22] <mdp> true that
[18:16:36] <jay6981> unless it's an amish compound
[18:16:56] <mdp> I also learned that archery equipment is important to avoid attracting the hordes of zombies with all the gunshots
[18:17:14] <mdp> amazing what you can learn from popular TV series
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[18:17:32] <mranostay> jay6981: well it is going to be hard for the Amish to ward off the zombies with muzzleloaders :)
[18:18:09] <mdp> the neo-nazi dude on the walking dead is like a one man seal team 6 with his crossbow :)
[18:19:33] <mranostay> neo nazi zombies?
[18:19:41] <mdp> no no
[18:20:05] <mdp> nm, have to see the show???the group of characters is humorous
[18:20:07] <jay6981> that guy just seems like a redneck??? his brother was the neo nazi
[18:20:33] <mdp> yeah, they are definitely casting him as the more tolerant guy
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[18:23:13] <aholler> hmm, I've just decided to build me an usb-rtc using a launchpad and a ds1307
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[18:24:21] <aholler> so the launchpad lying around here will get finally a usage ;)
[18:27:13] <mdp> cool
[18:27:30] <mdp> I've only used mine for usb serial type feed applications
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[18:27:43] <mdp> how capable is it for programming for other classes?
[18:28:10] <aholler> don't no, I'm just starting to install gcc
[18:28:13] <mdp> or are you just using ttyACM to read the data?
[18:28:18] <mdp> ok
[18:28:28] <aholler> mdp: yes that is the idea
[18:28:32] <mdp> they are so cheap, they're great to use for simple tasks
[18:28:35] <mdp> cool
[18:29:06] <mdp> yeah, I have one with a reed switch on my detached garage door..hooked into the usb on an openwrt router out there
[18:29:19] <mdp> great for $5 + a $.75 reed switch
[18:29:45] <_av500_> too expensive
[18:29:50] <_av500_> that 1mio units
[18:29:56] <_av500_> you are killing the company
[18:29:58] <mdp> the only downside is I can't write those 20 lines of code in javascript
[18:30:34] <mdp> heh
[18:31:02] <mdp> aholler, if you used beaglebone for an extra $84, you could implement this in bonescript
[18:31:43] <aholler> ;)
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[18:33:03] <aholler> I don't like programming languages starting with a j ;)
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[18:34:27] <mdp> aholler, that's what Boris Houndleroy made you a new one that starts with b
[18:34:32] <mdp> embrace the future man!
[18:35:14] <mdp> s/what/why/
[18:35:21] <aholler> uh, my fuzzy has read bonescript as js ;)
[18:35:39] <aholler> so sorry ;)
[18:36:21] <mdp> it could have been .pl with somebody like srostedt at the helm :)
[18:36:40] * mdp is cursing ktest.pl on and off while hacking on it
[18:36:48] <_av500_> PL1?
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[18:39:15] <mranostay> mdp: not a fan of 2500+ line perl files :)
[18:39:30] <mdp> might as well go COBOL once you venture toward PL1
[18:39:57] <mdp> that's when the old guys start remembering the good 'ol days of submitting jobs with JCL
[18:40:16] <mdp> mranostay, it's another adventure
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[18:40:34] <aholler> I have read the presentation about ktest(.pl) in the morning
[18:40:54] <mdp> "embedded edition"?
[18:40:56] <aholler> could be a use case for the beagle
[18:41:37] <mdp> lots of use cases for auto bisect / test
[18:42:20] <mranostay> could be not written in perl though :)
[18:42:25] <aholler> yes, but I liked that automatic power on/off through powering through usb
[18:42:27] <mdp> I have to finish cleaning up support for it deploying and image+modules on the host for nfsroot usage???it can't do that with some of the hardcoded ssh/scp desktop-isms atm
[18:43:01] <mdp> aholler, oh yeah???an issue for bone only if we're talking beagle
[18:44:03] <_av500_> mdp: CICS ftw
[18:44:05] <koen> mdp: scp localhost:
[18:44:07] <koen> ?
[18:44:23] <aholler> i have an c4, and somewhere I should have a kernel which runs that powered only through usb. but of course the limited range of working kernels when powered through usb limits it's usage for ktest.pl
[18:44:35] <aholler> ;)
[18:44:45] <koen> the angstrom kernel works when usb powered
[18:44:51] <koen> on rev c and xm
[18:44:51] <mdp> koen, hardcoded assumptions that his module tarball is to be unpacked at "/"
[18:44:55] <_av500_> "usb powered kernel"
[18:45:09] <koen> mdp: I know the answer to that
[18:45:16] <koen> mdp: "just use an initramfs"
[18:45:16] <mdp> there are hacks
[18:45:21] <mdp> LOL
[18:45:36] <koen> and my favourite:
[18:45:38] <koen> "device tree should help out with that"
[18:45:38] <aholler> the current mainline kernel still has not enough pm for that?
[18:46:01] <thurbad> which angstrom kernel runs on usb power?
[18:46:03] <_av500_> aholler: there is a reason it is called "mains" line kernel
[18:46:30] <mdp> aholler, my only use case involves a power switch, so I power from mains on everything in my local board farm that gets regression tested
[18:46:32] <mranostay> thurbad: a kernel stripped down
[18:46:34] <thurbad> 2.6.29 did I think ,2.6.32 did not
[18:46:49] <mranostay> well on the BBxm/BB
[18:46:49] <mdp> aholler, so beaglebone's switching smarts screws that up
[18:46:53] <koen> thurbad: 3.0.17 and 3.0.22
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[18:48:14] <aholler> dt does power managment? nice to hear ;)
[18:49:15] <_av500_> yes
[18:49:23] <_av500_> it produces its own power even
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[18:53:40] <mranostay> aholler: DT does everything!
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[18:56:36] <aholler> I've read that presentation too, but for me it would be enough if it enables me to update an arm-kernel without having knowledge about the used SoC
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[18:58:18] <Mojito> I got speech recognition working on the BeagleBone without too much trouble. 5MB RAM footprint for a small grammar.
[18:59:27] <scromp> what sw are you using for that?
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[18:59:45] <Mojito> Julius. Running on ArchLinuxArm
[19:00:28] <Mojito> Julius is not in the Arch repo, but it is not hard to compile
[19:00:33] <scromp> cool
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[19:00:48] <viridari> now somebody is going to post a /. story "Siri ported to Beaglebone" and the /. editors will publish it without reading the story. Possibly twice.
[19:01:08] <ds2> Hmmm
[19:01:14] <Mojito> This test was done streaming the audio in over the network. If I try to plug in a USB microphone, the kworker bug rears up.
[19:01:39] <jay6981> what is DT?
[19:01:55] <ds2> Dumb Turd?
[19:01:56] <Mojito> Ha. The difference is that Siri sends the audio off to Apple's server (hopefully, only when you want it to). This is all done right on the device.
[19:02:02] <viridari> I didn't realize Arch was available for Beagle Bone. I am really not liking Angstrom so I'll have to check it out.
[19:02:28] <Mojito> BeagleBone was recently added as a supported platform for Arch.
[19:02:33] * viridari DuckDuckGo's and bookmarks http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv7/beaglebone
[19:02:51] <koen> it's a jedi mind trick
[19:02:56] <_av500_> Dev Terror
[19:03:16] <Mojito> But the "kworker" bug seems common to all recent distros. Introduced in kernel 2.6-something
[19:03:53] <_av500_> DT helps the move graphics cards between mobile phones
[19:03:55] <koen> ah, down to 20 commits in xbmc
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[19:04:32] <ds2> VESA or PCI graphics cards?
[19:04:39] <koen> I gut feeling is that https://github.com/xbmc/xbmc/commit/bf9dd471187f56eeb35a6f5ce4a3c39faaa7e72e breaks the build
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[19:05:04] <_av500_> your gut?
[19:05:12] <aholler> the new star will be esdt, encrypted signed DT
[19:05:48] <_av500_> protected, encrypted: pesdt
[19:06:27] <_av500_> of course dt must be singed, or hackers could declare drive A: removable
[19:06:41] <_av500_> and steal the boot floppy
[19:06:42] <aholler> yes, have forgotten that, companies have to be protected from its customers
[19:06:54] <_av500_> customers are the worst!
[19:07:02] <SilicaGel> Are the requests you make over L3 all a fixed size, like "read 32 bits" ?
[19:07:13] <SilicaGel> Or can it "burst" ?
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[19:08:34] <aholler> if someones searches marketing pro, I know some sekrets how to get rid of customers ;)
[19:08:49] <ds2> SilicaGel: what did you used to do with MPC850's and MPC860's?
[19:09:38] <SilicaGel> I was at this company Microwave Data Systems and we made radios mostly for the SCADA markets ... oil and gas production and distribution, electric distribution automation, municipal water and wastewater, that sort of thing. We just made the radios.
[19:09:59] <SilicaGel> These radios all had diagnostic channels but via RS-232
[19:10:07] <ds2> nice
[19:10:21] <ds2> dealt with those same chips before
[19:10:25] <SilicaGel> so what I did was made a device with the MPC860
[19:10:39] <SilicaGel> beacuse the MPC860 not only had ethernet (pretty cool for its day) but it also had a shitload of serial ports
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[19:11:08] <SilicaGel> I have a picture of the device I made with an MPC860 but the picture is really huge
[19:11:18] <SilicaGel> but do you want to see it anyway?
[19:11:24] <ds2> the MPC855 is an interesting beast
[19:11:29] <ds2> built in UTOPIA
[19:11:37] <SilicaGel> then after I left the company they made a version with an MPC850 built right on to the radio.
[19:12:22] <SilicaGel> Basically what this device did was be a protocol converter between our radio proprietary diagnostics and "standard" diagnostics. Mainly: SNMP, Modbus, and this electric company protocol called UCA which became a major factor in electric utility deregulation.
[19:12:33] <SilicaGel> http://www.autofrog.com/~chrisp/nx100/cimg0219.jpg
[19:12:48] <SilicaGel> that's my mpc860 board, expect it to be pretty slow.
[19:13:07] <SilicaGel> Serial ports on the left of that picture, and those plastic things are light pipes that project to the little labeled windows above where the connectors go
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[19:14:39] <ds2> did you guys program the aux risc processor?
[19:14:52] <SilicaGel> no
[19:15:03] <SilicaGel> do you know how T.I. says that the PRU isunsupported?
[19:15:11] <bradfa> SilicaGel, Are you in Rochester, NY?
[19:15:17] <SilicaGel> well back then, Motorola said "if you try to use the risc communications processor, we are going to kill you. dead."
[19:15:29] <SilicaGel> I didn't think it was even possible for an end-user to write software for that thing.
[19:15:34] <SilicaGel> bradfa: yup
[19:15:48] <SilicaGel> In fact, you know, I forgot that RISC comm processor was even there until you said that.
[19:16:01] <bradfa> SilicaGel, Mind if I ask where you work now? Still at MDS?
[19:16:10] <koen> SilicaGel: the how is easy, the why is harder
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[19:17:12] <jay6981> SilicaGel: the details on L3/OCP aren't talked about much in the TRMs
[19:17:17] <ds2> eh? they didn't say that to us
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[19:17:28] <SilicaGel> no. I left MDS to be a director of I.T. at Adaptive Broadband, beacuse they paid me a lot of money to do that for a year. But that was enough, and I said screw I.T. I'm an engineer. I am a research engineer at R.I.T. now
[19:17:39] <ds2> the risc processor there was suppose to have support for dsp like features, IIRC
[19:17:45] <SilicaGel> Please don't use this information to hunt me down and murder me.
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[19:18:07] <bradfa> SilicaGel, neat. Don't worry, I won't :)
[19:18:17] <SilicaGel> jay6981: yeah. We were just wondering about the performance of random writes vs. sequential
[19:18:34] <SilicaGel> How about this question
[19:18:34] <jay6981> SilicaGel: wondering here as well
[19:18:35] <mdp> ds2, did you have that talk with your h/w guy yet? :)
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[19:19:12] <bradfa> I'm also in Rochester, I work: http://www.omni-id.com If you're interested in neat RF stuff, we've got quite a bit
[19:19:14] <jay6981> SilicaGel: i did some benchmarks against reading/writing DRAM from cortex-a8 and was surprised by some results
[19:19:18] <ds2> mdp: yep. had a fine little chat with them
[19:20:00] <SilicaGel> surprised happily?
[19:20:02] <SilicaGel> I hope?
[19:20:08] <jay6981> unfortuantely no
[19:20:14] <jay6981> the memory bus seems to suck
[19:20:15] <SilicaGel> there is something else i'm wondering.
[19:20:24] <mdp> ds2, cool
[19:20:37] <SilicaGel> If I write something from PRU to DDR, and then I write from PRU to DMEM0
[19:20:47] <SilicaGel> at the same time, the MPU is reading those
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[19:21:11] <SilicaGel> are there synchronization issues here? Like the PRU thinks it wrote to DDR but when the MPU reads from it, it's not there yet?
[19:21:28] <jay6981> well PRU is much simpler than MPU
[19:21:34] <SilicaGel> ok but i means this
[19:21:48] <jay6981> but MPU has very deep pipeline and can defer writes too
[19:21:48] <SilicaGel> when you write from the PRU to DDR you're sending a mesasge over the L3 to something. OCMR or OMCR or something.
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[19:22:12] <jay6981> over L3 to DRAM controller
[19:22:22] <jay6981> OCM is for SRAM
[19:22:27] <SilicaGel> oh sorry
[19:22:41] <SilicaGel> but DRAM can't sit directly on the L3, DRAM is DRAM ... so there's something in between there
[19:22:45] <jay6981> there can be bus contention sure
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[19:23:40] <jay6981> yeah, you're talking to the DRAM controller which talks to the DRAM
[19:24:32] <SilicaGel> i'm talking about whatever takes things OFF the L3 and puts them into DRAM (and the other way around)
[19:24:35] <SilicaGel> let me pull up the trm
[19:25:15] <SilicaGel> I'm looking at Figure 10-1 L3 Topology on page 1320 of the rev B trm
[19:25:25] <jay6981> oh, the OCP ports
[19:25:30] <SilicaGel> i guess what I am asking is where the hell on that picture is the DRAM
[19:26:03] <SilicaGel> also, apparently the MPU subsystem is the MPUSS. That's kind of disgusting.
[19:26:37] <SilicaGel> i think i know the answer, I think it's the EMIF
[19:26:52] <jay6981> that's the am335x name for the dram controller
[19:26:55] <SilicaGel> or is it the OCMC
[19:27:05] <SilicaGel> the EMIF says it's only 16 bits
[19:27:10] <jay6981> emif=external memory
[19:27:15] <jay6981> yeah the am335x bus is even worse :)
[19:27:53] <SilicaGel> i'm looking at am335x trm
[19:28:36] <jay6981> i meant worse than the am35xx
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[19:29:14] <jay6981> emif=external memory inertface controller=dram
[19:29:23] <jay6981> ocmc=on chip memory controller=sram
[19:30:36] <jay6981> looks like L3 is 128 bits wide to EMIF, but EMIF is 16 bites wide to SDRAM module
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[19:33:00] <SilicaGel> even though dram is 16 bits, 32-bit writes/reads are still atomic ?
[19:33:33] <jay6981> it's DDR so yeah
[19:34:49] <ds2> how much more crippled is the am33x's emif compared to am35x's?
[19:35:56] <jay6981> the 35x is 32bit to DRAM and 64bit to L3
[19:36:20] <mdp> prpplague: so I think I'm done getting acclimated to the openocd cmdline interface???confirmed that although xM loads u-boot spl and then loads u-boot while FS2 is connected, something kills uart output while FS2 is connected
[19:36:24] <jay6981> so each 64bit L3 read is a single DRAM transaction
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[19:36:58] <jay6981> bbiab
[19:37:04] <ds2> did LPDDR1 support go away on the 33x?
[19:37:08] <mdp> prpplague: my silly guess atm is that a clock is shared somewhere and it whacks the UART fck in some way so I get no serial output
[19:37:16] <prpplague> mdp: doh
[19:37:58] <mdp> prpplague: because all jtag halt/resume/step/bp functionality works and I'm seeing everything executed end to end otherwise in the loading chain
[19:38:07] <jay6981> no, 33x still has lpddr1 support (per trm)
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[19:39:25] <mdp> prpplague: so anyway, reporting here in case somebody else has seen console output die with jtag connected
[19:39:32] <prpplague> mdp: thanks
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[19:39:48] <prpplague> mdp: feel free to start a wiki page on elinux.org to document your work
[19:39:52] <mdp> tbh, this is one board I never had occasion to connect bdi to
[19:40:01] <mdp> will do
[19:40:17] <mdp> Tartarus is following close behind me and may have more to add soon
[19:40:56] <ds2> mdp: question relating to your elc stuff - isn't there a SPI fb accelerator block on the am33x that could have helped with some of what you did?
[19:41:16] <mdp> there is?
[19:41:17] <mdp> I dunno
[19:41:30] <ds2> suppose to be some DMA engine
[19:41:42] <mdp> McSPI is hooked to EDMA, you mean?
[19:41:44] <ds2> but I can't figure out if it is tied to the McSPIs or has another interface
[19:41:54] <ds2> no, some guy posted about it... let me dig up the name
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[19:42:18] <mdp> posted where?
[19:42:23] <ds2> beagle list
[19:42:35] <mdp> ok, haven't made it to that list today yet
[19:42:51] <mdp> it's last in my folder list due to the low SNR
[19:43:02] <mdp> if you know what I mean
[19:43:12] <ds2> LIDD controller I think
[19:43:17] <ds2> it was a while ago
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[19:43:30] <ds2> on my list to look at
[19:43:42] <mdp> wow, ok, never heard of it..I'll look into it
[19:44:03] <mdp> I haven't yet worked much at all with am335x, unfortunately
[19:44:06] <ds2> looks like I am wrong
[19:44:15] <ds2> that supports a parallel interface only, not serial
[19:44:40] <mdp> ahh, ok
[19:44:41] <ds2> but I suppose some hw glue...
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[19:46:09] <mdp> tbh, with a proper spi display controller..and working linux spi controller driver with dma support..you do achieve zero copy from userspace to controller with what I described
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[19:46:52] <mdp> the st7586fb driver I referenced implements that???it's just stuck on a 2.6.32-based branch in my ohporter/linux tree
[19:46:57] <ds2> *nod*
[19:47:07] <ds2> got other spi displays in mind... much larger ones
[19:47:13] <mdp> ahh, ok
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[19:47:23] <ds2> but for some reason they are available cheap cheap cheap...like 7" displays for sub $10 in quantity
[19:47:30] <mdp> hrm
[19:47:35] <mdp> link?
[19:48:00] <mdp> or I suppose that's a disty quote
[19:48:05] <ds2> yes
[19:48:21] <ds2> min. purchase is either 10K or 100K units
[19:48:27] <mdp> consider that this is exactly how you do large res eink support in linux too
[19:48:31] <mdp> so that's not unusual
[19:48:51] <mdp> I think the twist is doing high refresh video etc. via deferred i/o
[19:49:10] <ds2> ultimately you are limited by how fast your SPI can go
[19:49:35] <mdp> that's something the displaylink guys don't really do due to usb and the high resolutions they are pushing over their similar approach
[19:49:37] <ds2> I was a little surprised you didn't go with the infamous i2c based nokia displays
[19:50:17] <mdp> well, 7735 was purely me playing around for fun???not TI supported
[19:50:43] <ds2> the i2c displays seemed a bit more common
[19:50:46] <mdp> the 7586 on an am1808 part was/is a production customer design dropped on my desk
[19:50:48] <ds2> rip them out of old phones
[19:50:53] <mdp> sure
[19:51:07] <mdp> there's a couple fb drivers floating around for the nokia displays
[19:51:17] <ds2> this isn't a hard topic...the hard part is getting decent frame rates
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[19:51:19] <mdp> but that's no fun if the codez already exist
[19:51:26] <ds2> *nod*
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[19:51:55] <jsabeaudry> Does that mean all the sysfs stuff is there on Arch just like it is on Angstrom?
[19:52:04] <jsabeaudry> The omap_mux and everything?
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[19:53:48] <mdp> speaking of nokia displays..there's KKeller now :)
[19:54:00] <ds2> hehe
[19:54:10] <KKeller> hello mdp...
[19:54:25] <mdp> KKeller: rockin' the 3G at the cabin I see :)
[19:55:09] <KKeller> yes + have BBone on network and playing with cloud9
[19:55:21] <KKeller> All using my iPad :)
[19:56:01] <ds2> we need fewer clouds...clear sky computing!!
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[19:57:17] <_av500_> skynet
[19:57:46] <_av500_> ds2: these 7" spi, keep some for me
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[19:58:07] <ds2> _av500_: you probally have a pile of them in the backroom ;)
[19:58:26] <ds2> next to your mediatek and telechip reels
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[20:00:18] <Mojito> If you mean, for example, the mechanism by which 'bonescript' can blink the LEDs, yes.
[20:00:30] <_av500_> not spi
[20:00:35] <mdp> ds2, I will answer more questions for a 7" spi display :)
[20:01:48] <ds2> okay, just buy the other 9,999 units ;)
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[20:04:08] <Crofton|work> anyone going to the MWC?
[20:04:19] <mranostay> whia is MWC?
[20:04:30] <Crofton|work> mobile world
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[20:04:50] <ds2> Crofton|work: going for the tapas?
[20:04:59] <ds2> or something more fermented?
[20:05:05] <Crofton|work> no
[20:05:08] <Crofton|work> I can't
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[20:10:19] <ynezz> what's the point of using the 7" SPI display anyway?
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[20:11:53] <ynezz> in the end it's always lvds/parallel isn't it? I mean, there's always some IC which is doing SPI -> lvds or parallel
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[20:16:03] <jay6981> when all you have is spi?
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[20:17:19] <ynezz> well, if we talk in beagle context
[20:17:44] <ynezz> otherwise I understand the reasons of course
[20:17:59] <jay6981> maybe lcd io pads muxed to something else?
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[20:20:24] <mdp> why incur the extra cost of all those connections if you don't need the performance?
[20:20:48] <mdp> again???the eink use case
[20:20:50] <jay6981> oh yeah it takes more energy to drive more pins right?
[20:21:03] <mdp> it costs more money to produce that board
[20:22:13] <ynezz> those pins are driven by that IC on the LCD anyway (well it might be done more effeciently)
[20:22:21] <ynezz> yes money, another point
[20:22:23] <mdp> there's a whole world beyond displaying 1080p 120hz
[20:22:29] <SilicaGel> Yay my PRU is on the L3 bus finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[20:22:41] <SilicaGel> I wish I understaood what the F smart standby / smart idle modes were
[20:22:51] <SilicaGel> I just turned them off and set SYSCFG to "no standby" and "no idle"
[20:22:53] <SilicaGel> now it works
[20:23:03] <mdp> ???using the latest whizbang OMAP8 (The Ocho) display subsystem :)
[20:24:18] <ynezz> what?
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[20:24:51] <KKeller> mdp you could not resist could you... "The Ocho"
[20:26:34] <mdp> ynezz: nm, point is that there are always reasons to use "only what you need" in a design
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[20:27:49] <ds2> 6
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[20:28:00] <mdp> that's why people don't design in an OMAP4430 as a gas well pump controller, it could do the job, but the controller would be needlessly expensive
[20:28:06] <ds2> routing
[20:28:24] <pittbull> hello everybody
[20:28:30] <mdp> KKeller: I knew you'd like that
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[20:29:30] <djlewis> mdp: agreed.
[20:30:13] <ds2> mdp: people might be doing it
[20:30:32] <ds2> gas pumps these days are hot beds for ad pushers
[20:30:44] <mdp> _well_
[20:30:51] <ynezz> :D
[20:30:55] <mdp> no argument there
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[20:32:01] <ds2> besides, the next CA rules may insist gas pumps measure things down to the nearest molecule and account for it all
[20:32:02] <pittbull> can I ask you guys a question?
[20:32:31] <jay6981> no. you broke rule #1
[20:32:31] <ynezz> well, buy a bike while it's still cheap :)
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[20:33:19] <djlewis> oh, a bike would be fun year round for my 50 mile daily work drive
[20:33:30] <ds2> if you do that then they'll impose a road tax on food
[20:33:31] <ds2> ;)
[20:33:38] <ynezz> "do you remember those times where there was enough gas even for private cars"
[20:33:44] <ds2> and start regulating bathroom emissions
[20:34:33] <jay6981> he says it used to be a farm, before the motor law
[20:35:18] <pittbull> does anyone know from a benchmarking point of view how does the beaglebone compare to the beagleboard (using only the ARM side of course)?
[20:36:15] <ds2> in cache? out of cache?
[20:36:25] <ds2> doing what ops?
[20:37:04] <mdp> running bonescript?
[20:37:08] <ynezz> just give him those nice numbers!
[20:37:11] <pittbull> well i`m interested in porting a speech recognition program (Sphinx)
[20:37:43] <pittbull> so pretty memory and computational intensive application
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[20:38:33] <jay6981> the bone has a narrower memory bus
[20:38:53] <ds2> has no audio inputs
[20:39:01] <mdp> pittbull, I'm a big fan of trade studies that involve actually running some real code..if only the core cpu intensive fragments on a ref board
[20:39:33] <pittbull> i have an omap3530evm from mistral
[20:39:41] <pittbull> which i`m using now
[20:39:45] <mdp> since all benchmarks lie, except your own???it's best to make your own and try it
[20:39:52] <ds2> may <insert diety of choice> have mercy on your soul
[20:39:52] <pittbull> but it`s an older revision (Rev D)
[20:40:01] <mdp> ds2, LOL
[20:40:32] <jay6981> mdp: i did that, and I couldn't understand why single memory fetch was taking ~100ns out of cache
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[20:41:27] <pittbull> and it has smaller memory (128 MB)
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[20:41:43] <pittbull> that`s why i was looking to move to a beagleboard
[20:42:02] <pittbull> i know the bone has no audio inputs but i thought i`d use a USB adapter
[20:42:17] <mdp> well, considering that beagle* boards are nearly free from a commercial cost POV???it's easy to move
[20:42:22] <jay6981> seems like bb memory performance is capped around 350MB/s
[20:42:28] <jay6981> seems a lot slower than it ought to be
[20:42:56] <jay6981> i guess that's AXI/OCP's fault?
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[20:46:18] <pittbull> I didn`t mention that i am a student and right now money is not my strongest point
[20:46:36] <pittbull> so that`s why i`m asking you for some pointers
[20:47:12] <ynezz> provide compilable code and you would get the output, easy
[20:47:24] <ynezz> I can run the test on my C4
[20:47:43] <ynezz> if it's not some retarted makefile :)
[20:49:16] <ynezz> there was even some benchmark already available for different boards
[20:49:37] <ynezz> but I don't remember what was it exactly
[20:49:55] <pittbull> i'm sorry but i can`t provide the code right now
[20:50:12] <pittbull> and it`s a whole library actually
[20:50:16] <pittbull> i haven`t found
[20:50:20] <pittbull> any benchmarks
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[20:50:38] <pittbull> and i figured maybe someone around here knows
[20:50:57] <ynezz> then I don't get it, why do you want benchmarks if you don't know what would you need :)
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[20:52:01] <pittbull> what do you mean by i don`t know what i need?
[20:52:01] <jay6981> besides, what porting would you have to do? both are the same cpu arch
[20:52:19] <ynezz> I think mru/aholler and "the others" here were running some benchmarks (I think it was for memory bw) on different animal boards
[20:52:47] <pittbull> the toolkit is written for x86
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[20:53:00] <ynezz> and the results were posted to the mailing list, so try to search there
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[20:53:55] <ynezz> (if I'm not mistaken completly)
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[20:55:01] <djlewis> there is already speech tools in angstrom
[20:55:22] <djlewis> but angstrom site looks odd today
[20:55:43] <ynezz> seized by fbi
[20:56:15] <_av500_> the warez
[20:56:22] <ynezz> malwarez
[20:56:46] <mdp> crap, where willI get the codez now?
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[20:56:53] <mdp> need my feedzzz
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[20:57:03] <ynezz> opkg-torrent
[20:57:07] <pittbull> i need to do it as an university project..
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[20:57:23] <ynezz> ah, there we go :)
[20:57:25] <mdp> mranostay, his code is never going into space now!
[21:00:19] <mranostay> mdp: "i don't recall"
[21:00:45] <pittbull> so my question put simple was if a bone is faster than the beagle in intensive cpu and memory apps
[21:00:57] <mranostay> heh no
[21:01:09] <djlewis> no
[21:01:18] <_av500_> nas setup started
[21:01:22] <djlewis> get the beagle and use built in audio
[21:01:48] <_av500_> pittbull: both have cortex a8
[21:01:52] <djlewis> a usb audio dongle might add nore headache to the bone
[21:02:11] <_av500_> so i dont see why at same clock one should be significantly faster
[21:02:26] <_av500_> specially not for speech processing
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[21:03:35] <ynezz> http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/8a02388772a1d177/f979ffbfc5f34ac3?lnk=gst&q=povray#f979ffbfc5f34ac3
[21:03:47] <ynezz> it was actually some povray benchmark
[21:03:53] <ynezz> but bone is probably missing
[21:04:03] <_av500_> that is hardfp vs soft
[21:04:07] <_av500_> one the same cpu
[21:04:53] <ynezz> he wanted numbers :p
[21:05:22] <_av500_> 54
[21:06:01] <ynezz> thanks, now I've to change my passwords :(
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[21:06:19] <_av500_> 55?
[21:06:19] <pittbull> thanks for the link
[21:06:36] <_av500_> the link does not help to answer your question
[21:07:03] <pittbull> i know
[21:07:19] <pittbull> but i appreciate the fact that he took the time
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[21:08:09] <ynezz> I speak google
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[21:13:48] <aholler> hmm, hit again by ti's registration obsession. Seems I'm either to old to learn to avoid their side or I'm to naive and still have hope
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[21:15:40] <ynezz> yes, it's usually easier to get the samples from them then softwarez :p
[21:16:18] <mdp> your registration info is sold for an additional revenue stream
[21:16:31] <mdp> times are tight, my chilluns need to eat
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[21:19:28] * _av500_ loves free samples from TI
[21:19:41] <_av500_> 2 day fedex delivery inlcuded
[21:21:44] * _av500_ needs an ip address table for his tiny home network
[21:21:53] <_av500_> hm, 42 and 54 are already taken
[21:22:29] <aholler> I'm using dhcpd.conf for that
[21:23:01] <prpplague> _av500_: i made sure i coughed in the box for you
[21:23:10] <prpplague> _av500_: compliments of ds2
[21:23:41] <_av500_> aholler: yes, but my 50c dsl router does not have that :)
[21:23:54] <_av500_> prpplague: thx
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[21:29:24] <aholler> av500: just one of your environmental friendly arm devices
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[21:32:19] <_av500_> i need a proper dsl router
[21:32:23] <_av500_> not that telekom shit
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[21:33:35] <djlewis> still using my original speedstream ( a manageable unit).
[21:33:50] <_av500_> well, this one I can manage
[21:33:55] <_av500_> its still crap
[21:34:09] <djlewis> I have two spares
[21:34:25] <aholler> hmm, I would consider registration to shop a free omap5-dev-board sample ;)
[21:34:40] <djlewis> hmm, havent seen those
[21:35:54] <aholler> av500: aren't these avm-devices, so hackable?
[21:36:14] <koen> avm devices
[21:36:18] * koen coughs
[21:36:21] <djlewis> seen lots of little chips I would struggle with mounting to a board.
[21:36:28] <koen> usb works great on avm devices
[21:36:52] <koen> that's where fifmode=5 comes from
[21:36:57] <koen> fifomode*
[21:38:33] <_av500_> yes
[21:40:05] <_av500_> aholler: but they suffer from feature bloat
[21:40:10] <_av500_> I only want a dsl router
[21:40:25] <_av500_> i dont need the wifi and nas and whatever part of it
[21:40:54] <_av500_> but the dsl only is no more
[21:41:04] <_av500_> so i need to pay like 150 for the dsl part
[21:41:47] <_av500_> koen: there was that av guy in gst-ti
[21:41:49] <_av500_> avm
[21:43:48] <djlewis> mine are dsl router with only one ethernet port, no wifi. My linksys wifi router takes care of that.
[21:44:20] <_av500_> yes
[21:44:37] <_av500_> but avm has a neat dsl line quality display
[21:44:41] <djlewis> _av500_: you are right on that most are loaded these days.
[21:44:44] <_av500_> that cheap ones lack
[21:45:15] <djlewis> I have to load the builtin web page for that info
[21:45:51] <djlewis> ther eis a dsl link light on front
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[21:47:35] <_av500_> damn, now I need a gige router
[21:47:42] <_av500_> the dree nas is costly :)
[21:47:45] <_av500_> free
[21:48:01] <Crofton|work> how did you get a free nas?
[21:48:13] <_av500_> I#m beta tester for LaCie
[21:48:18] <Crofton|work> ah
[21:48:18] <_av500_> ex coworker is there now
[21:48:23] <Crofton|work> ex them to send me one
[21:48:31] <_av500_> sure
[21:48:59] <_av500_> Crofton|work: they also have a test program for their cloud drives
[21:49:05] <_av500_> seems more fitting for you
[21:49:10] <_av500_> cyberbits
[21:50:09] <Crofton|work> I have a semi nutty email from a "Cloud Computing Commander"
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[21:54:18] <aholler> hmm, ccs for linux will come soon ;)
[21:54:40] <_av500_> css, no?
[21:55:56] <koen> code composer?
[21:56:04] <koen> that has been out for linux for a while
[21:58:36] <aholler> ah, yes, just 5.1.1 will come soon
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[22:04:51] <aholler> I wonder how that looks like, but again not without registration. ;)
[22:06:37] <ynezz> what is it good for?
[22:06:53] <aholler> don't know, I'm just curious
[22:08:33] <_av500_> ynezz: dsp debugging
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[22:10:16] * _av500_ used CCS like 10ys ago
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[22:10:40] <_av500_> arm7 + c54x
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[22:11:35] <dwery> ccs? awful experience....
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[22:14:28] <ds2> _av500_: what kind of chip had a arm7 + c54x?
[22:14:35] <_av500_> dsc21
[22:14:37] <ds2> grandpa of the OSK?
[22:14:42] <ds2> ohhhh
[22:14:43] <_av500_> no
[22:14:49] <_av500_> for digital cameras
[22:15:04] <ds2> is that grandpa of the davinci's?
[22:15:05] <_av500_> dsc21, 24, 25, dm270, dm320
[22:15:16] <ds2> nifty
[22:15:17] <_av500_> and the dm310 which was ill fated
[22:15:33] <_av500_> they botched the mmu so linux was a nogo
[22:15:52] <_av500_> it would not traverse pages
[22:15:59] <_av500_> so it faulted every 4k :)
[22:16:14] <ds2> CONFIG_NO_MMU ;)
[22:16:21] <_av500_> and rewriting linux to JMP every 4k was out of the question :)
[22:16:33] <_av500_> ds2: yes, we tried that
[22:17:15] <_av500_> but it was for a qtopia device and we needed to be binary compatible to the zaurus
[22:17:30] <_av500_> otherti customers used it with their no-OSs
[22:17:30] <ds2> oh
[22:17:48] <_av500_> we got OMAP1 instead and a free DM270 on top
[22:18:05] <ds2> strictly speaking, you cannot be binary compatible with the Z with any device
[22:18:10] <_av500_> so we had arm7+arm9+c54+c55
[22:18:11] <ds2> any TI device
[22:18:21] <_av500_> and 64+32mb ram
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[22:18:37] <_av500_> /dev/fb was on the DM270 via 16bit HPI
[22:18:49] <ds2> none of those run iwmmx!
[22:18:50] <_av500_> and no 8bit access
[22:19:07] <_av500_> no need for iwmmx
[22:19:13] <_av500_> most of zaurus stuff ran fine
[22:19:23] <_av500_> it was 90% a different path or so
[22:19:31] <ds2> I see.
[22:19:33] <_av500_> which was amazin in fact
[22:19:36] <_av500_> +g
[22:19:57] <ds2> I miss my Z's
[22:20:10] <_av500_> i still have one for sale
[22:20:18] <ds2> which one?
[22:20:21] <_av500_> with dock *and* serial cable
[22:20:24] <ds2> SL5500?
[22:20:25] <_av500_> original one
[22:20:30] <ds2> SL5000?
[22:20:37] <_av500_> think so
[22:20:39] <_av500_> need to check
[22:20:41] <ds2> original retail or the give away one?
[22:20:45] <_av500_> gee
[22:20:54] <_av500_> made in the morning or the afternoon?
[22:21:03] <ds2> they gave away the SL5000 only... with half the memory, IIRC
[22:21:07] <ds2> the SL5500 was retail
[22:21:19] <_av500_> the girl who assembled it had black hair
[22:21:34] <ds2> so she was not from the great north...
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[22:21:46] <_av500_> trolltech made the sw only ;)
[22:22:01] <_av500_> but in australia
[22:22:22] <_av500_> these were fun times
[22:22:28] <ds2> yes they were
[22:22:39] <_av500_> like the esmertec people being literally thrown out of our CEOs office
[22:22:53] <ds2> now if they only put WiFi on there so one didn't have to burn the CF slot
[22:23:01] <_av500_> when asked for the price of their JV
[22:23:04] <_av500_> JV
[22:23:07] <_av500_> damn
[22:23:10] <_av500_> the m is fubar
[22:23:12] <_av500_> JVM
[22:23:28] <ds2> heheh
[22:23:36] <_av500_> they had insane ideas
[22:27:41] <koen> "This patch is intentionally incomplete to simplify the review."
[22:27:45] <koen> https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/d80e731ecab420ddcb79ee9d0ac427acbc187b4b
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[22:28:31] <_av500_> "this tax return is intentionally incomplete to simplify the review" :)
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[22:32:27] <icota> hello! any way to read beaglebone expansion cape eeprom data from userland? i2cget says device busy
[22:32:52] <koen> see my email to the beagleboard list
[22:34:11] <koen> e.g. http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/search?group=beagleboard&q=eeprom+hostname
[22:36:14] <icota> thanks!
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