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IRC Log for 2012-02-29

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[00:01:24] <mranostay> hi snowrichard
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[00:52:44] <TheBurrito> are there known issues with linux-omap 3.2 and i2c with the omap 3530? (Beagleboard C4). I2c-2 is not showing up and there are no errors or other messages logged anywhere. dmesg reports the successful identification of omap_i2c.1 and omap_i2c.3
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[01:13:08] <mru> Crofton|work: gcc -mthumb will generate thumb2 if the given -march/-mcpu supports it
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[01:30:05] <Crofton|work> ah, so there is no thumb/thumb2 selection
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[02:06:10] <TheBurrito> I have now put some extra printk's into the omap_i2c bus driver, and it's never probing for the 2nd bus. Is there someway I can force it? Where else can I look to find out how it's probing the i2c busses?
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[03:12:35] <JViz> where does the recipe for the machine go?
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[03:41:19] <mrmacthree_> I have been trying to install an ubuntu image onto a beagle board xm or a pandaboard for a while now but they just display the splash screen for a while then the screen begins flashing between a black screen and some text. Why would none of the ubuntu prebuilt images install on either device?
[03:47:10] <TheAlphaNerd> anyone getting on the rasp pi train tonight?
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[03:48:32] <thurbad> nope, watching from the sidelines
[03:49:35] <TheAlphaNerd> worrd
[03:54:15] <thurbad> the price is nice if they can sustain it, but we simply need more horespower for our application
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[04:07:53] <ATP> guys how can i see if my kernel supports usb touchscreen? i have 2.6.35 ubuntu 10.04
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[04:08:01] <ATP> thanks in advance
[04:08:57] <thurbad> depends on your touchscreen
[04:10:24] <thurbad> 2.6.35 has support for several available, can't say if it's compiled with yours or not though
[04:11:53] <thurbad> the easy way to see would be to list the /dev/input/event* files present before plugging in and after plugging it in
[04:11:57] <jay6981> zgrep /proc/config.gz
[04:13:47] <ATP> yeah i checked /dev/input but nothing came up
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[04:17:04] <thurbad> what does dmesg say about the device when you plug in?
[04:17:48] <ATP> nothing comes up
[04:18:08] <ATP> also nothing at /proc/bus/input/devices and nothing at lsusb
[04:18:18] <ATP> :S
[04:18:47] <ATP> touchscreen output works fine (its LCD so it just shows the DVI display)
[04:18:57] <jay6981> does any usb device show up?
[04:19:04] <ATP> yes all except this
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[04:19:29] <jay6981> sounds broken or not getting enough power to enumerate?
[04:19:40] <ATP> power should be enought i think
[04:19:49] <ATP> i have external power supply for my hub too
[04:19:52] <jay6981> it should enumerate regardless of driver status
[04:20:28] <ATP> so you think it's hardware?
[04:20:46] <ATP> i can try to resolder the usb cable on the flex cable
[04:21:04] <jay6981> yeah hardware
[04:21:07] <thurbad> R:Pi is claiming full 1080p video playback....
[04:21:34] <ATP> is R:Pi worth it?
[04:21:41] <ATP> i mean it's so hyped isnt it?
[04:21:55] <jay6981> it's still vapor
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[04:24:04] <ATP> ok i check my hardware then, i go bring my multimeter
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[04:41:05] <mranostay> evening dudes
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[04:42:00] <jay6981> hey. how's calif treating you?
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[04:42:55] <TheBurrito> just in case anyone is curious... apparently in linux 3.2 the single line for a beagleboard to register i2c-2 in the mach-* source is missing >_<
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[04:46:31] <prpplague> hehe
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[05:00:56] <thurbad> hmm, the pi doesn't even have a serial port?
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[05:04:11] <ds2> circles don't have serial ports
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[05:08:39] <mranostay> ds2: or half circles :)
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[05:54:23] <_av500_> thurbad: finally a design that gets it right
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[07:33:47] * Russ backreads some comments, "What, it is not a binary file format?" --av500 at Tue Feb 14 15:25:32 2012
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[08:07:09] <av500> Russ: :)
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[08:17:58] <Shikhin> How's the beaglebone for.. baremetal stuff?
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[08:48:11] <ynezz> koen: just FYI, after the recent changes in the bitbake (I've updated yesterday) there's few errors like this ERROR: Unable to parse conf/bitbake.conf: ParseError at /home/andreas/src/setup-scripts/conf/auto.conf:1: unparsed line: 'MACHINE ?= omap4430-panda'
[08:49:22] <ynezz> if you fix it, then there's some ParseError in meta-ti layer in uboot.inc
[08:49:32] <koen> looks like that was generated by an older setup-scripts
[08:49:49] <koen> I checked, the current version uses quotes to get the MACHINE into auto.conf
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[08:50:40] <ynezz> and do you see that ParseError in u-boot also?
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[08:59:44] <koen> not after denix finally pushed the fixed khem and I sent
[09:04:38] <_tasslehoff_> is sudden power loss known to potentially destroy sd-cards forevah?
[09:05:07] <av500> I broke one by glaring at it once.....
[09:05:35] <ynezz> retarsd
[09:05:54] <av500> _tasslehoff_: here, have some NAND
[09:06:09] <av500> its not better, but you can watch it break :)
[09:06:27] <_tasslehoff_> :)
[09:06:39] <ant_work> this is also a myth
[09:07:02] <ynezz> no kidding!
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[09:10:21] <_tasslehoff_> besides glaring and mental deficiency, is sudden power loss also sometimes destructive? I have a card that seems very broken, and the breaker had a system without battery and just pulled the chord while heavy write operations was in progress.
[09:11:03] <_tasslehoff_> I'd like to resolve the ticket with a "you're holding it wrong" type of comment :)
[09:11:03] <ynezz> it's like asking if the world ends in 2012 without having the crystall ball :p
[09:13:33] <guyzmo> hello
[09:14:01] <LetoThe2nd> ynezz: what, you haven't received one?
[09:14:19] <guyzmo> can anybody share a build of debian (or ubuntu, or any distrib with package management) done for the beaglebone ?
[09:14:19] <ynezz> fedex guy broke it :(
[09:14:33] <LetoThe2nd> dang
[09:15:15] <guyzmo> I have a series of PoC I want to test on the beaglebone before I do build a full system cleanly
[09:18:47] <ynezz> _tasslehoff_: I would wrote there something along this lines "This is exactly what do you deserve, when you're relying on crap^WSD cards with some random firmware written by glue sniffing <insert your favorite nationality/religion here>"
[09:21:07] <_tasslehoff_> ynezz: thanks, but shouldn't I insert my least favorite religion
[09:21:18] <ant_work> _tasslehoff_: I have some very old, (ab)used sd cards (64MB, 1GB) which need to be reinserted several times to be found. I have worse experience with CF fwiw.
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[09:21:48] <_tasslehoff_> we have thrown out nand and rely on (hopefully !crap) uSD from SanDisk
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[09:23:59] <av500> we find eMMC from sandisk quite reliable
[09:24:40] <ant_work> I have yet to see new bad sectors in nand after years of flashing. Some devices were factory-shipped with two bs...
[09:25:07] <ant_work> probably 'B' class
[09:25:19] <ynezz> but you can see them at least...
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[09:26:25] <ynezz> the problems aren't hidden from you by some random glue layer...
[09:26:50] <av500> large nand is an issue
[09:27:01] <av500> since omap3 and omap4 nand controllers are quite limited
[09:27:06] <av500> not enough ecc bits for mlc
[09:27:42] <ynezz> you barely need huge nand for system, do you?
[09:27:49] <av500> sure
[09:27:49] <ant_work> koen: this situation makes me remember an old thread where a guy claimed that 3 new SD cards ,one after other, were failing when inserting them in his ipaq :p
[09:27:50] <ynezz> I don't care about user stuff
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[09:28:14] <av500> so we end up with NAND behind a physon controller
[09:28:19] <ynezz> :)
[09:28:21] <av500> that exports it as emmc
[09:28:29] <av500> and the nand controller on the omap4 sits unused
[09:28:37] <av500> not that we did not try to use it
[09:28:56] <av500> but the risk was too high to end up with a system that depends on specific nand vendors....
[09:29:40] <hitlin37> what baout boot time ?difference between boot times on nand and emmc?
[09:29:51] <av500> boot?
[09:29:59] <av500> what is that?
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[09:30:25] <hitlin37> android booting time
[09:30:29] <av500> ah, you mean android updates
[09:30:44] <av500> yes, you get ICS 3s later than me...
[09:30:45] <ynezz> hm, how often do you boot your phone/tablet?
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[09:32:07] <hitlin37> i was interested in android boot time differences ,when booting form nand and emmc.
[09:32:18] <hitlin37> from nand and from emmc on omap4
[09:32:38] <ynezz> 3 seconds if wind is blowing from north :)
[09:32:56] <av500> about that
[09:33:10] <hitlin37> as emmc is a static memory.it will consume more time for read /write
[09:33:15] <av500> ???
[09:33:22] <av500> emmc is nand behind a controller
[09:33:37] <av500> its all NAND underneath
[09:33:41] <av500> all the way down
[09:33:47] <av500> *inb4
[09:35:52] <hitlin37> oh.sorry.i was under wrong impression about emmc.
[09:36:25] <av500> emmc = sdcard that you solder
[09:36:35] <av500> same protocol
[09:37:16] <hitlin37> and read/write time?same as nand
[09:37:18] <hitlin37> ?
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[09:41:18] <av500> hitlin37: assuming the controller is not braindead, the raw read/write time is the same
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[09:43:51] <hitlin37> hmm
[09:44:37] <av500> of course you can have a totally l33t controller in your SDcard that does 1000x and spreads writes over so many NAND chips etc...
[09:45:35] <hitlin37> your emmc chip is eMMC4.41 or eMMC4.5
[09:45:57] <hitlin37> because 4.5 one is faster
[09:45:59] <av500> i haz no idea
[09:46:14] <av500> the interface is faster
[09:46:39] <av500> adding 0.09 to the protocol spec does not make the NAND faster
[09:47:06] <hitlin37> urs samsung?
[09:47:13] <hitlin37> chip number?
[09:47:18] <av500> s3cr3t
[09:47:30] <av500> and I said physon already :)
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[09:53:23] <hitlin37> it must have some MMCVer?
[09:54:44] <av500> i dont know
[09:54:55] <av500> them low level guys are doing that
[09:56:21] <koen> av500 just works on the backend
[09:56:36] <hitlin37> ok.i was workign on one from samsung.http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/product/flash-emmc/overview.haven't chechked it against nand booting
[09:57:00] <hitlin37> in my case it's 8gb emmc
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[11:04:25] <av500> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290677406685
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[11:27:25] <ynezz> :)
[11:28:58] <ynezz> poor farnell, ddosed :p
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[11:29:31] <av500> I bet all the commercial customers are puzzled
[11:32:07] <ynezz> we're strawberrynymous!
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[11:39:14] <Humanoid> I would like to know, is there's an easy way to turn a beagle board into a gsm mobile phone?
[11:39:44] <mru> sure, attach a gsm module
[11:39:47] <Humanoid> Like I know there are gsm modems that can interface with the board using uart or usb, but I'm not able to figure out whether or not making regular voice calls and talking to people would work.
[11:40:38] <Humanoid> Would voice calls (both outgoing and incoming) work?
[11:40:38] <dwery> Humanoid: I guess that - if the module supports them - you can connect a microphone and a speaker...
[11:41:58] <Humanoid> I would have to plug the mic and speaker on the module? I was hoping for something that would go through the beagle board so that I could process the sound with my software running on the board.
[11:42:23] <dwery> probably doable, but I wouldn't classify it as "an easy way"
[11:42:47] <Humanoid> The standard uart and usb interfaces don't usually have voice/audio going through the interface?
[11:43:19] <dwery> maybe you can find some gsm usb module that routes audio thru usb
[11:43:33] <dwery> but I don't think I ever saw one
[11:43:41] <Humanoid> Ahh... okay. :/
[11:43:52] <av500> Humanoid: depends on the modem
[11:43:54] <dwery> that doesn't mean it does not exists
[11:44:00] <av500> some 3g modems are data only
[11:44:11] <dwery> I'd hack and android device..
[11:44:17] <dwery> an*
[11:44:21] <av500> some have mic+ear connectors
[11:44:26] <av500> some export it over usb
[11:44:28] <av500> ymmv
[11:45:12] <dwery> get and android for 99 usd and connect it to the beagle
[11:45:14] <dwery> an*
[11:45:24] <Humanoid> Hmmm...
[11:47:32] <Humanoid> Alright, I'll start looking for modems that specifically say they support voice, in one way or another.
[11:47:54] <dwery> that's a good plan ;)
[11:48:37] <av500> voice support in a modem is rare
[11:48:42] <av500> for political reasons
[11:49:05] <Humanoid> What kind of political reasons?
[11:49:11] <Russ> Humanoid, you make take a look at the openmoko design and schematics
[11:49:12] <av500> also voice = more royalties, so the modem maker does not want to pay extra
[11:49:28] <av500> there are 3g chipset makers that only sell you chips if you dont offer voice
[11:49:29] <dm8tbr> no need to pay for all the audio codecs
[11:49:47] <av500> also, why at all voice in a modem
[11:49:58] <av500> what would be the use case anyway
[11:50:02] <av500> people use phones
[11:50:58] <Russ> you could always connect up the mic/speaker jack
[11:51:18] <Humanoid> So most mobile phones usually don't use modems? They connect to the IC using some other interface?
[11:51:37] <av500> of course
[11:51:48] <av500> Russ: if there is a jack
[11:53:14] <Humanoid> Seaerching for "gsm" on digikey doesn't seem to give me any gsm IC's.
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[11:53:51] <av500> lol
[11:53:52] <av500> sorry
[11:55:12] * mdp yawns
[11:55:19] <koen> ynezz: I tracked down the quoting problem: https://github.com/Angstrom-distribution/setup-scripts/commit/4ac1e500a77eeb418195d11a1d3740e21190c291
[11:55:19] <Humanoid> Oh, wait it does. Didn't realize microwaves were considered radio frequency.
[11:55:31] <mdp> av500, I always struggle to figure out what people mean by "omap3"
[11:55:53] <mdp> sometimes it includes AMxxxx, sometimes not???wrt your nand comment
[11:55:56] <av500> mdp: davinci for sitara owners
[11:56:05] <mdp> hehe
[11:56:39] <mdp> 335x has very capable raw nand support, unlike some older parts
[11:57:05] <av500> mdp: ic
[11:57:15] <av500> well, I meant OMAP3 Classic
[11:57:24] <mdp> I figured
[11:58:18] <mdp> other people seem to lump 335x in with "omap3", I sense TI has done little to make things clear about all this :)
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[12:01:21] <av500> mdp: the sense in strong in you
[12:03:43] <koen> mdp: we started calling things 'omap3' to create some clarity when TI started the "it's not omap3, it's dm37x, am37x, etc, etc"
[12:04:36] <koen> of course new SoCs aren't omap3 derived
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[12:07:05] <Humanoid> Oooh... I didn't realize openmoko is still alive (GTA04), and includes all the schematics. Nice!
[12:07:30] <mru> alive might be pushing it
[12:07:36] <mru> resting is probably more accurate
[12:07:42] <koen> and it's not from brokenmoko inc
[12:07:45] <mru> in the parrot sense
[12:07:47] <koen> but from schaller inc
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[12:11:38] <mdp> av500, these are not the nands you're looking for
[12:12:05] <koen> devicetree should help out with that
[12:12:20] <mdp> koen, mag found an omap3-ism the other day while looking at the total MMC breakage in mainline on am35x
[12:12:48] <mdp> "OMAP3_HAS_SDRC"
[12:13:19] <koen> heh
[12:13:21] <koen> mdp: http://arago-project.org/git/projects/?p=linux-am33x.git;a=commitdiff;h=0625bb42fe10cebb87a0f72a0f064bc497e4e532
[12:13:24] <mdp> that's set but the code bangs on registers that aren't there on am35x since it has an emif
[12:14:23] <koen> mdp: I really hate how am3517 clutters up the 35xx namespace
[12:14:39] <koen> people assume it's an omap3530 without dsp
[12:14:51] <mdp> right
[12:14:59] <koen> oh look, emif!
[12:15:11] <mru> and ethernet
[12:15:44] <mdp> I got confused for a whiel thinking am3517 had an edma as part of the IP sharing with the l138/am180x stuff
[12:16:11] <koen> still sdma iirc
[12:16:14] <mdp> yep
[12:16:31] <mdp> only edma is inside the iva2.2 block..dedicated
[12:16:38] <mdp> but that's an earlier rev anyway
[12:16:59] <mdp> koen, nice patch, btw
[12:17:33] <koen> mach-omap2 ftw
[12:17:58] <koen> it made sense for omap2 + omap3
[12:18:00] <mdp> there's stuff that *could* be done like than on am3517 upstreamish, but I've opted to punt because "DT will fix everything"
[12:18:02] <koen> slightly less for omap4
[12:18:08] <av500> or 5
[12:18:33] <av500> or 6
[12:18:44] <koen> I wonder what comes after omap6
[12:18:54] <mdp> the hsmmc mach-omap2 generic code assumes a 1:1 match between gpio signals and pads that can be muxed for that signal..which is true on omap3/4
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[12:19:18] <mdp> koen, I look forward to The Ocho
[12:19:50] <av500> koen: anyways, it's cpu_is_omap$random() all the way down....
[12:20:01] <mdp> heh
[12:20:41] <av500> they should have named OMAP5 OMAP-S
[12:20:56] <koen> iOMAP
[12:21:12] <koen> OMAP galaxy HD supreme
[12:21:22] <av500> koen: OMAP galaxy HD supreme 2
[12:21:30] <av500> "2" seems important
[12:21:47] <koen> I heard Crofton|work has an omap5 board for sale
[12:21:48] <av500> and there is rarely a 3
[12:22:26] <damir__> OM5P
[12:23:14] <av500> nice
[12:25:28] <mdp> put "nebulus" and "prime" somewhere in the name and I'm sold
[12:25:48] <koen> OMAP Fascinate Incredible Z
[12:25:58] <koen> OMAP Thunderbolt Optimus Pro II
[12:26:21] <koen> in case people haven't caught on: http://androidphonenamegenerator.com/
[12:26:40] <av500> old meme is old
[12:27:04] <koen> it's funny because it's true
[12:27:10] <mdp> koen, just like creating pr0n names
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[12:28:28] <av500> NSFW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCODTbfLKSE
[12:29:02] <icota> any ETA on 3.5" cape support in kernel?
[12:29:31] * mdp wonders if 3.5" is dimensions on an LCD or the PCB itself
[12:29:39] <av500> will the bone XM support larger capes?
[12:29:58] <icota> mdp: LCD :)
[12:30:16] * mdp wonders if we will ever commonly discuss screen size in metric
[12:30:57] <icota> doubt it
[12:30:59] <mdp> av500, gerald has a Bone Magnum planned to support larger PCB capes
[12:30:59] <av500> they made it a law here in germany a few years ago
[12:31:13] <av500> to have screen sizes advertized in metric
[12:31:27] <av500> the font size has reduced from readably to angstromic
[12:31:34] <av500> and it back to inches
[12:31:36] <mdp> I can't believe the .us allowed that to happen
[12:31:37] <av500> it's
[12:31:54] <mdp> if I'm traveling in .de, htf am I supposed to parse such an ad?
[12:32:01] <av500> you read the inch value
[12:32:03] <icota> i was in germany last june and didn't notice
[12:32:05] <av500> as in xx"
[12:32:06] <mdp> *whew*
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[12:32:31] <mdp> crisis averted
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[12:33:28] <mdp> av500, probably a hot topic at G8
[12:33:33] <ant_work> iirc someone lost a satellite because of wrong metric system
[12:34:06] <mdp> metric v0.11?
[12:34:15] <ant_work> anyway, discusion is futile, like for the unity of beer :)
[12:34:45] <icota> where I live, the only time we don't use metric is for screens and wheels. the latter is because of the germans
[12:35:50] <mdp> the only time I use metric in daily life is when discussing ambient temperature on irc with !.usians
[12:36:00] <Crofton|work> apparently TI is not very helpful :)
[12:36:03] <mdp> and real work :)
[12:36:21] <Crofton|work> I have an email from someone asking about gpmc registers
[12:36:58] <mdp> Crofton|work: depends on which TI you talk to :)
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[12:37:39] <Crofton|work> true
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[12:38:46] <mdp> the right people are always highly shielded
[12:40:29] <av500> +1
[12:40:47] <av500> part of my work description is to comb irc for TI people
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[12:44:46] <mdp> lol
[12:45:18] <mdp> av500, hopefully you filter for the right ones on top of that
[12:46:10] <av500> mdp: next time, I will ask our 1st level support guys to put us through to you
[12:46:29] <mdp> the guys that read a script?
[12:46:39] <mdp> I think you can do way better than me
[12:46:48] <av500> no, they have a degree
[12:47:04] <av500> we are not calling to 0800 number
[12:47:07] <mdp> they probably have far more education than I do
[12:47:33] <mdp> I recall while at mvista that most of our support people had phds
[12:48:12] <mdp> av500, I suppose you talk to "omap4 support", eh?
[12:51:13] <Crofton|work> phds in what?
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[12:52:12] <mru> Crofton|work: customer annoyance
[12:52:19] <mdp> cs/ce/ee
[12:52:59] <Crofton|work> I always wondered what people with phds did if they could not get jobs in academia
[12:53:07] <av500> flip burgers
[12:53:14] <av500> here they drive taxis
[12:53:39] <av500> at least until the economy picked up
[12:53:56] <mru> Crofton|work: most get regular engineering jobs
[12:54:04] <koen> in my mega cubicle at TI UK there were 2 PHDs
[12:54:11] <koen> one support guy, one sales guy
[12:54:32] <mdp> mru, that's the case here???both guys were exceptional and enjoyed the customer support
[12:55:00] <mru> I spent a summer fixing hardware overengineered by a guy with a phd
[12:55:29] <mru> thermal issues
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[12:56:08] <mru> the fix was to replace his complicated gradual slowdown with a simple thermal relay that shut the machine off if it overheated
[12:56:37] <mdp> my sister spent all her time and money on a phd and now teaches uninterested students
[12:56:40] <av500> gradual slowdown of what?
[12:56:55] <mru> av500: firing rate of a studio flash
[12:57:20] <av500> what about "explode in one big flash" solution?
[12:57:30] <mru> the customers didn't like that one
[12:57:41] <av500> or the models
[13:01:46] <mdp> customers need to be told what they like
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[13:49:19] <ynezz> koen: sexy!
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[14:04:42] <SilicaGel> Today doesn't count.
[14:05:04] <ynezz> hm, msp430 "wolverine"
[14:05:27] <ynezz> they're animals
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[14:22:32] <arcanescu> idiot farnell and RS components -.-
[14:22:51] <arcanescu> who got to buy the raspberry?
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[14:23:53] <koen> my supermarket has a few
[14:24:16] <mdp> the wild ones are out of season here..I will be patient
[14:24:44] <mdp> I hear there's a market for an rs232 shield
[14:24:46] <arcanescu> sheeesh :/ farnells website crashed
[14:24:51] <arcanescu> yes there id mdp
[14:24:54] <arcanescu> *is
[14:24:55] <mdp> :)
[14:25:08] <arcanescu> how mad can you get...
[14:25:22] <arcanescu> its like people queuing for those iphone bricks
[14:25:34] <mdp> it's a bit more assembly required than most other dev boards
[14:25:36] <arcanescu> /ipad bricks
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[14:26:02] <Crofton|work> Can you run ubuntu on the Pi?
[14:26:55] <mdp> most things are possible with enough blood, sweat, and tears
[14:27:03] <arcanescu> I think you can
[14:27:06] <mdp> ???and budget
[14:27:08] <arcanescu> but yes agreed with the comment
[14:28:31] <SilicaGel> hrm, crashplan is acting really goofy today
[14:29:46] <arcanescu> is there any post which describes the li-vi365 composite video input board signal rerouting for the beagle ? ive been trying to find that for sometime now
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[14:35:53] <arcanescu> or is there anyother alternative to video input ..
[14:37:24] <av500> usb
[14:37:39] <arcanescu> av500 any recommendations?
[14:37:56] <av500> no idea
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[14:38:06] <arcanescu> hmmm
[14:38:25] <av500> the routing of the li-vi365 should be simple
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[14:39:03] <av500> arcanescu: didnt we talk about that before?
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[14:39:38] <arcanescu> av500: yes we did and you said the li-vi365 needs routing... im looking if someone has been able to do that
[14:39:58] <av500> ah
[14:40:02] <av500> not that I know of
[14:40:15] <arcanescu> hmmmm
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[14:42:02] <mru> I give up, what's the magic of the day to make dvi work on an xm?
[14:43:12] <av500> mru: arm make you work on omap3 again?
[14:43:28] <koen> mru: https://raw.github.com/Angstrom-distribution/meta-ti/master/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-3.0/beagle/0011-beagleboard-reinstate-usage-of-hi-speed-PLL-divider.patch
[14:43:29] <mru> I just wanted to try something
[14:44:12] <koen> if that doesn't fix it, maybe mdp knows
[14:44:21] <mru> that might fix something
[14:44:24] <mru> but not everything
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[14:44:34] <mru> well, depends on where you're starting from of course
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[14:44:53] <mru> it's throwing a tantrum about "cannot parse default modes" too
[14:45:57] <mru> and that's after applying some patches to make it not give up on missing driver for the svideo output
[14:46:10] <mru> this all worked fine a year ago
[14:46:14] <mru> why did someone have to break it?
[14:46:30] <koen> job security
[14:46:46] <av500> habit
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[14:48:58] <mru> now it doesn't complain about the clock any more
[14:49:08] <mru> but display still insists there's no signal
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[14:52:31] <tomba> mru: which kernel version?
[14:52:55] <mru> tomba: which one works?
[14:53:01] <mru> I'm not picky
[14:53:11] <av500> mru: angstrom kernel?
[14:53:13] <av500> pspatches
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[14:53:24] <mdp> koen, I wonder if the jtag breakage is job security as well
[14:54:03] <tomba> I don't know, I've never even seen xM =). but mainline should work for beagle
[14:54:20] <mru> what's considered mainline?
[14:54:32] <mdp> there is only one
[14:54:42] <mru> yes, but which one depends on who you ask
[14:54:47] <mdp> morons
[14:54:48] <tomba> well, latest rc or latest release
[14:54:56] <mdp> mru, they need to be slapped around
[14:55:33] <mru> mdp: sure, but I only have so many trouts
[14:55:37] <mdp> we've had to do a bit of a reeducation campaign around here to get that stuff fixed
[14:55:39] <tomba> although thinking about it, it's been a while since I tested beagle...
[14:55:54] <mru> I was trying something 3.1.5-ish now
[14:56:03] <mdp> yeah, I fished all our waterways clean of trout to take down to dallas and fix the problem
[14:56:05] <mru> mostly because that was already built and working
[14:56:21] <av500> mru: btw, I now have a nice 2ghz armv5 :)
[14:56:29] <mdp> 3.2.x is working-ish on xM
[14:57:11] <av500> mru: it does not even have heatsink
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[15:06:07] <arcanescu> av500: i had this usb controller video capture lying around i plugged it in usb and it says new high speed usb device using ehci-omap and address 6
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[15:06:18] <arcanescu> product: usb 2.0 video capture controller
[15:06:29] <arcanescu> manfuacturer: syntek semiconductor
[15:06:47] <arcanescu> doesnt show up on ls /dev though
[15:06:58] <av500> you got v4l2 in kernel?
[15:07:09] <av500> or maybe it needs a driver
[15:07:13] <av500> google would know
[15:07:41] <arcanescu> av500: using the kernel which came on beagle xm sd card
[15:07:55] <arcanescu> does the kernel config have v4l2? on default?
[15:08:13] <dwery> koen: saw the video with the can cape at ELC on youtube ;) many thanks!
[15:08:14] <av500> /proc/config.gz
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[15:22:52] <SilicaGel> Do any of you know "Thara" or "Tarun" ?
[15:23:07] <arcanescu> av500: v4l2 is y
[15:23:21] <arcanescu> its there alright
[15:23:39] <arcanescu> SilicaGel: are those names of people?
[15:24:25] <mru> I know a couple of Tara, is that good enough?
[15:24:35] <SilicaGel> arcanescu: apparently yes
[15:24:53] <SilicaGel> they are mentioned as the responsible persons for GP Timers in http://omappedia.org/wiki/HWMOD#Platform_.26_Power_Drivers
[15:25:07] <arcanescu> SilicaGel: they are probably indian names
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[15:29:20] <zignig> Cool ! , just placed an order for 2 beaglebones from adafruit !
[15:29:30] <zignig> 1 week to Perth.wa.au ;(
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[15:29:58] <zignig> can anybody point me in the direction of a debian setup ?
[15:30:40] <powool> though it is a moving target as to which is best, you might prefer archlinux at this point
[15:31:10] <zignig> powool: package based or monolithic ?
[15:31:29] <powool> zignig: package based, I believe
[15:31:31] <zignig> I not used arch , heard of it.
[15:31:34] <zignig> nice.
[15:31:54] <powool> pacman command is supposedly based on FreeBSD packaging, which I have lots of exposure to (none to pacman, however)
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[15:32:29] <powool> pacman being the arch linux package manager, that is
[15:32:31] <zignig> I have lots of blinky from sparkfun and the BB looked like it was up to the task for a disco blinky console.
[15:32:53] <powool> I would hope so! Lots of GPIO on it
[15:33:27] <zignig> indeedd , most of the blinky is SPI. from the schematics , I think I have 2 on expansion.
[15:34:35] <zignig> It's going to be a lighting controller deck for the local hackerspace.
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[15:37:27] <av500> SilicaGel: ask for GPTIMER12
[15:37:39] <SilicaGel> no no no
[15:37:41] <SilicaGel> i would be killed
[15:37:48] <SilicaGel> MUST AVOID TIMER 12
[15:38:02] <jay6981> is that like ordering a pizza with extra anchovies?
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[15:44:24] * dwery loves secure timers...
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[15:44:35] <SilicaGel> i think it's more like peeing on an eletric fence
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[15:44:49] <av500> eclectic?
[15:44:56] <SilicaGel> electric
[15:45:00] <SilicaGel> hm
[15:45:04] <av500> derelict
[15:45:04] <SilicaGel> electrified
[15:45:27] <SilicaGel> I don't know how to translate "Electric Fence" into German
[15:45:28] <SilicaGel> !!
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[15:45:37] <av500> weidezaun
[15:45:40] <SilicaGel> Let me put it this way ... you do not want to pee on one
[15:45:51] <av500> I know what it is
[15:46:06] <SilicaGel> Oh. Well, have you ever peed on one?
[15:47:00] * mru has not
[15:47:23] <mru> touching one while holding a metal rod stuck into the ground is bad enough
[15:47:23] <koen> elektrozaun?
[15:47:55] <av500> koen: we used that to keep the east germans out
[15:48:09] <av500> in fact they built it themselves
[15:48:42] <arcanescu> av500: there are easycap drivers in /staging of the new kernel not in angstrom i guess
[15:49:03] <arcanescu> they arent distrubitng them on sourceforge anymore ... sigh!
[15:50:55] <av500> linux/drivers/staging/easycap/
[15:50:59] <av500> in .08
[15:51:13] <koen> do they buld for arm yet?
[15:51:21] <koen> last time I tried they didn't build
[15:51:31] <av500> no idea, I can only operate grep
[15:51:45] <zignig> http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv7/beaglebone
[15:51:49] <zignig> nice , thanks.
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[15:52:22] <arcanescu> any idea why it wont build?
[15:52:44] <mru> kernel 3.2.8 is _extremely_ flaky on the xm
[15:52:56] <koen> if I knewwhy I'd google up a solution :)
[15:53:10] <arcanescu> (:
[15:53:17] <av500> arcanescu: why not try and find out?
[15:53:53] <arcanescu> im trying to avoid the shedding tears situation by going for what is tested and works ...
[15:53:58] <arcanescu> but yes I could
[15:54:21] <arcanescu> hauppage devices have seemed to work
[15:58:52] <mdp> mru, lovely :( 3.2.5 seemed to be working ok for me???nfsroot over the smsc95xx and playing with various usb devices so far
[15:59:02] <mdp> mru, what have you found?
[15:59:49] <mru> all manner of random oopses
[16:00:04] <mdp> ok
[16:00:04] <emeb> Best kind
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[16:01:18] <mru> although the monitor now says unsupported input
[16:01:43] <mdp> excellent!
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[16:02:08] <mru> I wouldn't go that far
[16:02:30] <mdp> what rev btw?
[16:02:34] <roboweb> hi there. To whom may I contact to become a beagleboard distributor?
[16:02:49] <mru> rev B
[16:02:59] <mdp> ok, same here
[16:03:11] <av500> roboweb: ask on the ML
[16:03:17] <mdp> my employer can't afford to send me a newer rev
[16:03:21] <mdp> :)
[16:03:25] <roboweb> ML?
[16:03:27] <roboweb> maillist?
[16:03:32] <mdp> mainline?
[16:03:49] <mdp> roboweb, go to beagleboard.org and find the mail list
[16:04:07] <roboweb> ok then
[16:04:08] <roboweb> thanks
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[16:16:07] <mru> hmm, seems to run better if I drop the mpurate=1000
[16:16:17] <mru> then of course the fucker runs at 600MHz
[16:16:26] <mru> and still no display
[16:16:59] <koen> mru: no proper 1GHz support in mainline
[16:17:03] <koen> 800 is all you get
[16:17:11] <koen> without flakiness
[16:17:23] <mru> it worked fine at hacky 1GHz with 3.1...
[16:17:27] <mru> so wtf changed?
[16:17:54] <mru> and what does support 1GHz?
[16:17:54] <koen> I suspect they added better smart reflex support, so voltages dropped a little
[16:17:59] <koen> at 1ghz they need boosting
[16:18:08] <koen> mru: nothing supports 1GHz atm
[16:18:18] <mru> WHAT THE FUCK????!?!??!@?
[16:18:20] <koen> nothing in 3.x at least
[16:18:30] <mru> what is wrong with these people?
[16:18:30] * av500 has a nice kernel that does 1ghz
[16:18:36] <mru> av500: I have one too
[16:18:40] <mru> but it doesn't do display
[16:18:53] <mdp> oh, 1ghz???don't do that
[16:19:01] <mru> why the fuck not?
[16:19:05] <mru> the chip supports it fine
[16:19:27] <koen> mru: it took me a few months to get the kernel team to admit they wrote drivers for ABB on 2.6.32
[16:19:29] <mru> koen: and what's the new magic to pick the right display mode?
[16:19:48] <mru> this stupid thing is defaulting to 1080p30
[16:19:49] <mdp> disclaimer: I'm know expert, but it seems that we have problems with the ABB patches
[16:19:53] <av500> mru: the chip supports it if you have the right kernel
[16:19:59] <av500> like ABB
[16:19:59] <koen> mru: I've on;y gone up to 3.0.x, just adding the pll patch made things work
[16:20:00] <av500> for 1ghz
[16:20:01] <mdp> s/know/no
[16:20:10] <icota> koen: any idea when kernel support for the circuitco 3.5" lcd cape will be out?
[16:20:24] <mru> koen: your patch makes it get the timings it requests
[16:20:32] <mru> now I need to make it request timings the display likes
[16:20:34] <koen> icota: I have untested kernel patches
[16:20:38] <mru> it does not like 1080p30
[16:20:49] <icota> koen: care to share? i'd like to test
[16:20:49] <av500> understandable
[16:20:56] <koen> icota: but someone needs to write a driver for the PMIC pwm for backlight to work
[16:21:02] <av500> mru: no 720p mode?
[16:21:10] <mru> av500: how to select it?
[16:21:22] <mru> the old way just throws errors
[16:21:23] * av500 looks around innocently
[16:21:32] <icota> koen: not the same backlight as with the 7" stuff?
[16:21:42] <koen> icota: the pcb has options for both
[16:21:56] <koen> icota: the one on my desk uses the PMIC, so U3 is unpopulated
[16:22:06] <mdp> koen, we don't officially support 1ghz atm because of some cascade of issues related to ABB
[16:22:30] <koen> mdp: I know, I was the one pushing for the sdk people to admit it
[16:22:34] <icota> koen: i'd like to take a stab at making it work, can you share the untested stuff you have?
[16:22:46] <koen> mdp: I started that campaign before you joined :)
[16:22:56] <mru> koen: so 720p... how? _please_
[16:22:58] <koen> icota: yes, let me get my laptop
[16:23:07] <icota> koen: thanks
[16:23:15] <mdp> koen, since I was never involved in releases???I kinda have missed the recent discussions that led to that the xm release not having 1ghz support
[16:23:20] <mdp> koen, I don't doubt that :)
[16:23:28] <mdp> I just know there was some recent discussion
[16:23:48] <koen> mru: on 3.0.x the regular stuff: omapfb.mode=dvi:
[16:23:58] <koen> mru: haven't tried anything more recent
[16:24:09] <koen> mdp: no 1ghz support for all dm37x boards
[16:24:29] <koen> mdp: most evms in the office are hot silicon, so 1ghz "works"
[16:24:35] <mdp> the only person I've seen send something upstream for 1ghz was joel???and it caused oopses..still waiting for patches to be posted
[16:25:09] <mdp> koen, ok, that sounds familiar
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[16:25:57] <koen> icota: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/0001-beaglebone-untested-3.5-inch-lcd-cape-support.patch
[16:26:48] <koen> mdp: the initial plan from TI was to overvolt the cpu and not do abb
[16:27:04] <arcanescu> av500: just looking at the beagle xm rev c schematics to see pin compatibility with livi 365.... therez no diagram for the "camera" input ....
[16:27:12] <arcanescu> the 17x2 connector
[16:27:13] <koen> thankfully people realized overvolting is bad
[16:27:23] <av500> arcanescu: sure there is
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[16:28:31] <koen> arcanescu: it largely is
[16:28:42] <koen> arcanescu: but it lacks 12bit support and gpios iirc
[16:28:50] <koen> it's been a while since I looked at it
[16:29:12] <arcanescu> hmmmm..
[16:29:17] <SilicaGel> is 12bit like timer12?
[16:29:28] <dwery> ouch...
[16:29:45] <mru> finally... it's working
[16:29:48] <dwery> the last bit is doomed...
[16:30:49] <av500> arcanescu: TVP5146 to OMAP3 works
[16:30:49] <arcanescu> koen: i really think beagle lacks this.... need to comeup with some sort of a solution for this
[16:30:59] <av500> arcanescu: I can confirm that
[16:31:02] <arcanescu> av500: how?
[16:31:06] <av500> how?
[16:31:30] <arcanescu> av500: im looking at the schematic right now and Im not sure
[16:31:56] <av500> you hook it to the CCDC pins of the omap3
[16:32:19] <arcanescu> its the same 'camera' 17x2 connector right?
[16:32:28] <koen> yes
[16:32:38] <koen> it was designed to be compatible with the leopard stiuff
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[16:33:06] <av500> arcanescu: yes
[16:33:15] <av500> ignore the connector, look at the OMAP3 pins
[16:33:22] <av500> then look at the TVP pins
[16:33:36] <arcanescu> okay... on it
[16:33:38] <av500> you need I2C to setup the TVP
[16:33:44] <av500> then 8 or 10bit data and sync
[16:33:47] <av500> er, clock
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[16:35:59] <av500> sync can be embedded
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[16:38:29] <av500> arcanescu: we sold 2 generations of product with that combination
[16:41:45] <arcanescu> av500 : which product?
[16:42:04] <av500> archos gen6 and gen7
[16:42:40] <arcanescu> hmmmm
[16:43:09] <arcanescu> sync can be embedded means?
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[16:43:52] <av500> arcanescu: read the data sheets
[16:43:57] <arcanescu> av500: would i need to do changes in the tvp or v4l2 driver to get it to work after the pin configuration?
[16:45:07] <arcanescu> i mean after routing to the correct pins?
[16:45:43] <av500> i dont know
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[16:52:39] <koen> mdp: are you the gpmc export on am335x? It looks like I'll need to point a customer in the right direction for a custom gpmc driver
[16:53:02] <av500> koen: I think mdp is under export control
[16:53:15] <av500> you cannot ship him to a customer
[16:53:43] <koen> I know we ship him to customers within the US of A
[16:53:55] <av500> ship him to Cuba
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[17:28:35] <mdp> mdp-in-a-box
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[17:29:24] <mdp> koen, that's going to be someone else, I dunno who for that
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[17:29:43] <mdp> mostly since I changed official roles
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[17:30:26] <mdp> koen, there is somebody starting a rewrite of the gpmc mess to drivers/gpmc/
[17:30:38] <mdp> like DT that holds the promise of the future
[17:32:16] <koen> DT bindings for gpmc...
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[17:32:38] <mdp> I'm waiting for my world peas to arrive
[17:33:04] <jay6981> whirled peas
[17:33:12] <mdp> mmm
[17:33:21] <mdp> goes well with my open sores
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[18:00:47] <abeaverslayer> hello everyone, has anyone delt with taking a linux-omap system with USB OTG and turning that system into device mode?
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[18:03:20] <abeaverslayer> I have an OMAP 3530 with kernel 2.6.35 I would like to use as a USB device from Windows.
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[18:17:04] <mranostay> mdp: world peas?
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[18:17:42] <mdp> koen promised me some if I boot with DT
[18:17:50] <mranostay> wtf are they? :)
[18:18:08] <mranostay> some weird European thing?
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[18:19:10] <abeaverslayer> Has anyone had experience with musb in device mode?
[18:21:34] <mranostay> mdp: speaking of which why did you guys pick musb? knowing what the 'm' stands for :)
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[18:24:34] <jsabeaudry> So anyone actually running Arch on the bone? How is it compared to angstrom?
[18:28:39] <viridari> the bar is not set very high with Angstrom
[18:28:49] <viridari> if it boots, it's almost certainly better
[18:29:12] <viridari> given the good documentation out there on running Arch on BBone, someone is clearly running it
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[18:31:49] <powool> I'm trying to find a more general distribution than angstrom - one that can run on the BBone but also my Seagate Dockstar, and other similar small devices.
[18:31:58] <powool> So arch looks pretty good.
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[18:33:42] <jsabeaudry> Does the Arch kernel have all the sysfs goodies that the angstrom one has?
[18:35:58] <viridari> the angstrom kernel doesn't even have ext2 so I'm not sure I would use it as a basis for comparison
[18:36:33] <jsabeaudry> viridari, which kernel do you use?
[18:37:48] <SilicaGel> woah, davy jones is dead.
[18:38:29] <viridari> I have to put together a box to build arch on but that's my plan
[18:38:57] <viridari> I don't really have anywhere to build another image from so I'm stuck with angstrom for the time being
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[18:41:05] <mdp> mranostay, um, TI was even in my thought process back whenever they first put an musb core in some SoC
[18:41:12] <mdp> s/was/was not/
[18:41:30] <mranostay> good defense :)
[18:41:32] <jay6981> mentor?
[18:41:38] <mranostay> jay6981: yep
[18:42:03] <mranostay> mdp and I are ex-MENT guys
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[18:47:01] <jsabeaudry> viridari, I'll give a run to the prebuilt image to see if it is worth it
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[18:51:39] <viridari> the command line tools aren't gnu for some reason so it's a little constraining & maddening... forget mounting ext2/3/4 disks... forget any kind of familiar package management
[18:52:31] <powool> viridari: I agree - it is different to no real end purpose except to make it more difficult to use (angstrom)
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[18:59:51] <SilicaGel> Minimal Engineers Needing Training?
[19:00:03] <SilicaGel> Monsters Eating Nasty Teenagers?
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[19:02:40] <SilicaGel> Many Excited Naked Tourists?
[19:03:07] <mdp> mranostay, if only I had connections I'd try to get you in wider coverage in our promotional material
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[19:03:23] <mdp> mranostay, "here is a famous irc guy that loves our parts!"
[19:03:29] <mranostay> haha
[19:03:33] <SilicaGel> haha
[19:03:55] <mdp> nm though, I am not empowered
[19:05:30] <mranostay> prpplague: so the Beacon Board can be use with the Bone right? as long I don't hook up the 1.8V logic on the EEPROM, correct?
[19:06:00] * mranostay notes there was a youtube video of it working on the Bone but no comments on if there was any 'hacks' to do so
[19:06:23] <SilicaGel> 1.8V logic on what? Is the EEPROM on I2C2 1.8V ?
[19:06:24] <prpplague> mranostay: the eeprom supports a wide range of voltages, if just connect the 1.8V power rails to 3.3V you should be good
[19:07:13] <SilicaGel> crap, did I screw up? I laid out a cape, and I assumed all the pins taht weren't ADC on the bone were 3.3V
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[19:07:27] <SilicaGel> s/assumed/thought I read in the SRM/
[19:07:33] <prpplague> SilicaGel: they are for bone
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[19:08:29] <SilicaGel> the SRM says 3.3V I/O on All Signals (except ADC)
[19:08:40] <prpplague> mranostay: if you just connect pin 1 of the header to a 3.3V should be good
[19:08:44] <prpplague> SilicaGel: correct
[19:08:52] <SilicaGel> whew
[19:09:28] <mdp> heh
[19:09:40] * SilicaGel goes back to charting an accountant, to find, explore the funds offshore, and skirt the shoals of banksuptcy ...
[19:09:52] <mdp> there's an app for that
[19:10:32] <prpplague> mranostay: please post on the wiki any info you collect!
[19:11:06] <prpplague> mranostay: there are 1000 beacon boards out there somewhere for people to play with, hehe
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[19:16:14] <SilicaGel> man, I think sometimes I'd lose my own head if it weren't right next to my mouth
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[19:27:36] <mdp> prpplague: ooh, yes, I still need to document these jtag failures???at least I see that it's not specific to openocd/fs2 :-/
[19:29:14] <SilicaGel> What is a beaglebone supposed to do if it detects 2 capes that want confliting pinmux configurations ?
[19:29:24] <SilicaGel> Is there some mechanism outlined for telling one of the two to F off?
[19:29:46] <aholler_> yes, smoke
[19:29:50] <SilicaGel> oh
[19:29:57] <SilicaGel> well tha i's a strategy, I suppose.
[19:29:58] <mdp> hrm
[19:30:01] <mdp> smoke signals
[19:30:58] <mdp> I recall that scenario coming up in a hand-waving discussion
[19:31:38] <mdp> assuming the SRM and posted discussions didn't define someting, you just define a convention for who wins in the stack
[19:31:54] <mdp> e.g. closest one to the baseboard
[19:32:26] <mdp> coupled with gratuitous exception case reporting
[19:32:36] <SilicaGel> which closest to the base board is determined by what
[19:32:50] <SilicaGel> probably base address of the EEPROM
[19:32:53] <SilicaGel> you know what would ahve been neat
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[19:32:57] <SilicaGel> instead of saying use switches,
[19:32:58] <mdp> there was supposed to be an address swizzle
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[19:33:07] <SilicaGel> swizzle? I thought there were supposed to be switches
[19:33:19] <mdp> I haven't review the currect stuff
[19:33:21] <SilicaGel> what is a swizzle, that sounds like something you would order at starbucks as an option on your $12 cup of coffee
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[19:33:36] <mdp> swizzle I borrow from my pci days
[19:34:23] <mdp> the eeprom address was supposed to be defined such that each stacked cape shifts a bit and so each has a unique address based on position in the stack
[19:34:33] <SilicaGel> that'd be a cool way to do it.
[19:34:38] <SilicaGel> I don't think there's such a thing though!
[19:34:43] <mdp> with that you know what is on the physically closest board
[19:34:58] <mdp> I heard gerald describe it one day on a call...
[19:35:13] <mdp> which had me thinking, "oh good, problem solved"
[19:35:17] <SilicaGel> according to urbandictionary, swizzle is actually a term coined y snoop dogg. it is also a mixed drink of rum, gin, and bitters.
[19:35:25] <mdp> bah
[19:35:57] <SilicaGel> I don't know. In order to do that you'd have to pass up some kind of pins. But the pins don't chain in any way, it's a stack, a shared bus.
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[19:36:09] <SilicaGel> What you're describing sounds like ti would ahve been nice
[19:36:14] <SilicaGel> where were you when they specified all this?
[19:36:15] <SilicaGel> :)
[19:36:18] <mdp> we commonly referred to the way INTA-D are rotated in turn as you pass through P2P transparent bridges as "PCI interrupt swizzle"???back in the day..circa 1998ish
[19:36:41] <SilicaGel> yeah
[19:36:59] <SilicaGel> well physical location probably doesn't matter if everybody really uses these dip switches they're supposed to have and whoever puts the stack together makes sure they don't conflit.
[19:37:00] <SilicaGel> ct
[19:37:02] <mdp> SilicaGel: I was just an interested party listening to the pre-release bone calls
[19:37:17] <SilicaGel> that sounds kind of fun
[19:37:28] <mdp> yes, that worked well for ISA cards...not
[19:37:30] <SilicaGel> I heard it took them 8 months to do the board layout, do you think that's true?
[19:37:50] <mdp> 8 months?
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[19:38:01] <mdp> for beaglebone?
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[19:40:14] <mdp> that's a shame if it's not there then, but obviously dip switches accomplish the same thing
[19:40:36] <mdp> once you get past the user error part
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[19:50:53] <ynezz> koen: one more, ParseError at meta-ti/recipes-ti/gstreamer-ti/gstreamer-ti.inc:63: unparsed line: 'export PLATFORM_XDC = ${XDC_PLATFORM}'
[19:51:04] <_av500_> xdc
[19:51:07] <_av500_> haha
[19:51:17] <ynezz> what's that?
[19:51:18] <_av500_> rm -rf meta-ti/recipes-ti/gstreamer-ti
[19:51:23] <ynezz> :)
[19:51:34] <_av500_> ynezz: its TI's versoin of make
[19:51:56] <ynezz> hm, meta-ti-make
[19:52:32] <_av500_> ynezz: its the thing that had an issue of your path had a "."
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[19:52:44] <_av500_> since its written in javascript and interprets that dot as something
[19:52:58] <_av500_> or so
[19:53:19] <_av500_> fun for ../foobar_1.2.3/...
[19:54:10] <ynezz> dots, spaces, symlinks, nasty stuff...
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[20:05:03] <aholler_> btw. the "registered cape concepts" is only readable with a google+ account
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[20:05:41] <beyond> anyone her?
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[20:05:45] <beyond> *here?
[20:05:58] <aholler_> no, everyone is above
[20:05:58] <beyond> somebody plz. guide me with the beagleboard
[20:06:01] <SilicaGel> aholler_: holy crap! Look at that!!!
[20:06:24] <SilicaGel> holy crap!
[20:06:26] <SilicaGel> i'm vie wonly!
[20:06:31] <SilicaGel> How do I add my cape to this list !!!! ! ! !!!!!!!!!!!!!
[20:06:43] <aholler_> i can't even view it
[20:06:53] <beyond> m new to the IRC and for the beagleboard too...plz do help
[20:06:55] <SilicaGel> would you like me to pirate it for you?
[20:07:03] <aholler_> no, thanks
[20:07:18] <SilicaGel> I'll describe it to you without giving you any details
[20:07:27] <SilicaGel> there are 30 proposed capes
[20:07:37] <dwery> 30? the list grew...
[20:07:58] <SilicaGel> One of them is called the InvisiCape - an invisible cape that is 0mm tall and doesn't use up any I2C addresses.
[20:08:13] <thurbad> beyond: ask your question
[20:09:27] <beyond> @thurbad: sir, m just starting with the embedded linux SBC
[20:09:44] <beyond> so how to start out with..m already referring to embedded linux primer
[20:09:52] <SilicaGel> I found a link right to this document but I have no idea whose it is or anything
[20:09:53] <beyond> but i want something to do then read
[20:09:57] <dwery> "sir"..
[20:09:58] <SilicaGel> Also
[20:10:06] <SilicaGel> The first header is supposed to say "Date"
[20:10:15] <SilicaGel> but instead dwery apparently took cell A1 over for himself
[20:10:25] <dwery> did I?
[20:10:33] <SilicaGel> Here are the column headings:
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[20:10:37] <dwery> d'oh, it's true :D
[20:10:40] <SilicaGel> A1; http://www.towertech-can-cape/
[20:10:47] <SilicaGel> A2: What is the name of your Cape concept?
[20:10:48] <SilicaGel> ...
[20:11:05] <beyond> ??
[20:11:05] <dwery> I'll have to hijack A2...
[20:11:08] <_av500_> Capa Carnival
[20:11:11] <_av500_> Cape
[20:11:16] <SilicaGel> I have a theory that this is like in American phone books where one guy wants his tow truck company to be first so he names it AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA111111111111111111 TOWING
[20:11:26] <SilicaGel> to make sure he's first in the phone book. Is that what you did?
[20:11:36] <ynezz> hm, did I saw sir?
[20:11:39] <dwery> absolutely!
[20:11:45] <ynezz> school projects anyone?
[20:12:04] <beyond> hahaha...no no its not like any school project
[20:12:13] <beyond> m just asking u ppl for help
[20:12:24] <beyond> guess m at the right place
[20:12:25] <jwinnebeck> Well is that like everyone on IRC whose names start with _ like _av500_ ?
[20:12:31] <ynezz> charity is at #rpi
[20:12:31] <jwinnebeck> you get to be on the top
[20:12:33] <ynezz> :P
[20:12:43] <_av500_> jwinnebeck: they are called "wings" here
[20:12:45] <dwery> the last time someone called me "sir" it took me three months and a letter of recommendation to handle the case :D
[20:13:05] <beyond> kkk..what so ever
[20:13:06] <thurbad> beyond: generally it's a good idea to jump in and try stuff then ask when you come upon a problem
[20:13:09] <_av500_> beyond: you are the right place for specific questions
[20:13:19] <_av500_> beyond: this is not a step by step guide
[20:13:32] <SilicaGel> I can't even see who owns thsi document
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[20:13:39] <beyond> yeah, but what i want is that just provide the guide lines
[20:13:48] <_av500_> beyond: there are none
[20:13:57] <_av500_> there is all the stuff written on beagleboard.org
[20:13:58] <dwery> the owner's nick should be gptimer12
[20:14:07] <_av500_> then there is all the stuff written on "the internet"
[20:14:20] <ynezz> white lines ftw! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ChjLMbXVrU
[20:14:20] <beyond> yeah,, i have gone thru some text
[20:14:21] <_av500_> there is a mailing list
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[20:14:28] <beyond> but got a lot of confusion is there
[20:14:36] <fiveofoh> So I've been reading all over the place about cross-compiling and CodeComposer and such...but can I just write code in Angstrom on the BeagleBoard, compile it on the BeagleBoard itself, and not have to bother with all that?
[20:14:43] <thurbad> what's the confusion?
[20:14:44] <_av500_> as i said, specific questions might get answered here
[20:15:02] <_av500_> but its not the place to take you by the hand
[20:15:08] <_av500_> or tentacle
[20:15:31] <SilicaGel> I believe
[20:15:36] <SilicaGel> that jkridner is the owner of this document.
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[20:15:41] <dwery> yes, he is
[20:15:47] <dwery> I bribed him
[20:15:48] <beyond> kk..since i download the uboot source, the support for the beagle board, "3530" one
[20:16:02] <fiveofoh> I'm on BeagleBoard xM, rev C4. I've been reading all over the place about cross-compiling and CodeComposer and such...but can I just write code in Angstrom on the BeagleBoard, compile it on the BeagleBoard itself, and not have to bother with all that?
[20:16:10] <_av500_> yes
[20:16:12] <_av500_> you can
[20:16:24] <_av500_> and please unread about "Code Composer"
[20:16:28] <fiveofoh> Haha
[20:16:31] <fiveofoh> Okay, done :P
[20:16:32] <beyond> i.e. there is no folder in the uboot for such
[20:16:34] <thurbad> yes.. much slower but you can
[20:17:16] <_av500_> SilicaGel: what is that cape url?
[20:17:20] <fiveofoh> If I could get an env set up (relatively easily) to say gcc --make-it-for-beagleboard, that'd be nice, but all the links I can find point back to CodeComposer
[20:17:27] <_av500_> ?
[20:17:28] <thurbad> are you trying to modify the u-boot source?
[20:17:29] <_av500_> what links?
[20:17:46] <thurbad> if not just download a known working version
[20:17:57] <_av500_> why bother with uboot at all
[20:18:02] <_av500_> use a precompiled one
[20:18:06] <fiveofoh> Yeah, I've got Angstrom running and things
[20:18:23] <beyond> kk..u mean that i shud use a precompiled uboot image for the beagleboard
[20:18:31] <_av500_> yes
[20:18:37] <_av500_> unless you want to work on uboot
[20:19:01] <SilicaGel> Holy crap!
[20:19:01] <thurbad> fiveofoh: you can bitbake the environment with the angstrom setup scritps
[20:19:12] <SilicaGel> You fill out that form and your row gets added to that document!
[20:19:12] <beyond> then the building work is just with the kernel
[20:19:27] <thurbad> no need for code composer
[20:19:29] <fiveofoh> _av500_: Links such as http://www.elinux.org/ARMCompilers
[20:19:33] <jwinnebeck> SilicaGel: is that like a google doc?
[20:19:55] <SilicaGel> It is. And I knew google docs supported forms like this. I just have never actually seen anybody use them.
[20:19:58] <SilicaGel> jkridner++
[20:20:03] <jwinnebeck> Where is it
[20:20:06] <jwinnebeck> I never saw a link
[20:20:26] <_av500_> fiveofoh: code *sourcery*
[20:20:27] <SilicaGel> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=t6jRM1CWiWcb6n7wJMZeFvg#gid=0
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[20:21:00] <_av500_> ha, my invisicape is still in there \o/
[20:21:12] <SilicaGel> Ahh HAH! It was YOU!
[20:21:29] <_av500_> yes, I just remembered
[20:21:53] <dwery> I was going to implement the invisicape in the kernel.. to enable spidev when there are no other capes
[20:22:23] <fiveofoh> _av500_: Ahhh I think I mixed those up
[20:22:28] * fiveofoh goes and looks for his CodeSourcery download
[20:23:56] <jsabeaudry> Well well, Arch does work and it seems that all the sysfs fluff is there
[20:24:20] <viridari> w00t
[20:24:31] <fiveofoh> Hokay, I'll get hacking on this one instead and see what comes of it
[20:24:55] <jsabeaudry> default host name seems to be "alarm" judging from the prompt
[20:26:12] <aholler_> SilicaGel: I just see a please register page, when I'm trying to open that with konqui. google docs is firefox only
[20:26:32] <SilicaGel> oh no
[20:26:37] <aholler_> or whater foo that needs
[20:26:41] <SilicaGel> we need to get jkrinder to fix that
[20:26:50] <SilicaGel> he can set the doucment up so that anybody can view it even if they aren't a google user
[20:27:02] <aholler_> I assume he would need to get rid of google docs
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[20:27:10] <SilicaGel> naw
[20:27:11] <jsabeaudry> Ah, no I am mistaken, the pin mux does not seem to be available using sysfs
[20:27:49] <_av500_> aholler_: I can print and fax it to you
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[20:27:54] <_av500_> I have a wooden table as well
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[20:28:48] <aholler_> and I a power efficient atom
[20:28:58] <jsabeaudry> I can confirm that there is no "/sys/kernel/debug/omap_mux"
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[20:29:22] <_av500_> you win
[20:29:50] <aholler_> intel already had
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[20:32:27] <SilicaGel> aholler_: since you are apaprently stuck in the pre-google era, would you like me to print this out and fax it to you, or maybe send it as a Telex ?
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[20:33:04] <thurbad> post it to a bbs
[20:33:39] <SilicaGel> Maybe I can find some of that old paper tape and a punch machine
[20:33:45] <SilicaGel> carrier pigeon?
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[20:34:12] <aholler_> just using firefox is enough, so either it needs cookies or some other foo my konqueror doesn't provide.
[20:35:35] <aholler_> pre-google was altavista, butthey loved to kill themself
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[20:36:58] <_av500_> aholler_: is konqueror still being developed?
[20:37:34] <_av500_> https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdebase/kde-baseapps/repository/revisions/master/show/konqueror
[20:37:37] <_av500_> 404
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[20:39:14] <aholler_> konquered
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[20:39:57] <thurbad> altavista was great.. just not very user friendly
[20:40:01] <_av500_> i never understood kde policy where apps where always part of some package
[20:40:10] <_av500_> you could never download and recompile one app
[20:40:30] <_av500_> its always kde_base_extra_foo3
[20:40:46] <SilicaGel> I never trusted ask jeeves
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[21:02:29] <aholler_> _av500_: no need for that, without kde konqui doesn't make much sense. I use konqui because 1. I use kde, 2. I like urls like gg:foo, leo:bar, wp:thingy, and similiar.
[21:02:55] <aholler_> (together with alt-f2)
[21:04:08] <_av500_> aholler_: alt-f2 ftw
[21:04:25] <_av500_> and you can have xyz: in other browsers too, no?
[21:04:42] <aholler_> don't know, maybe.
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[21:13:22] <burris> I'm having trouble replacing my kernel on my 'Bone. I installed ubuntu using the rcn-ee 11.10-minimal prebuilt image and script, then I built my kernel using the scripts from his linux-dev repo, finally installing the image/modules using the tools/load_uImage.sh script
[21:14:09] * _av500_ wakes rcn-ee
[21:14:21] <burris> when it boots it fails trying to load modules.dep though if I mount the rootfs and look in /lib it is in the right place and everything looks OK
[21:14:52] <rcn-ee> burris... "sudo depmod -a" should fix that error
[21:15:00] <rcn-ee> it's really no biggy..
[21:15:13] <burris> on my cross compile machine?
[21:15:27] <rcn-ee> on the bone... that file will get regenerated...
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[21:15:59] <rcn-ee> actually, to also update the uInitrd, just run the "./update_boot....sh" under /boot/uboot/tools/ dir
[21:16:01] <burris> but I can't login to the bone, when this happens I eventually get a login on the usb console but I can't type anything and the bone doesn't come up on the network or do anything
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[21:16:59] <rcn-ee> little strange, the usb-serial console should be working.
[21:17:31] <jsabeaudry> Wait, does that mean the kernel and rootfs are independant and you can use a debian rootfs with the kernel obtained from angstrom?
[21:17:57] <rcn-ee> 99% of time yes..
[21:18:37] <rcn-ee> burris, what serial terminal program are you using? did it work before the kernel upgrade?
[21:18:53] <jsabeaudry> That is awesome news!
[21:19:24] <burris> I'm using screen on OSX for terminal, yes, it also works if I pop in one of the cards that came with the bone so I think that is OK
[21:19:51] <rcn-ee> but did it work, with my image, before you upgraded the kernel?
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[21:20:39] <aholler_> btw., the kernel had some ftdi-related bugs which might annoy some bone using people.
[21:20:41] <burris> yes indeed, the preloaded image was fine, login on console and over ssh and everything was working (except I need realtime kernel for my audio application)
[21:21:50] <burris> so the "FATAL could not load modules.dep" error comes right after the message for running local-premount, maybe it's trying before mounting the fs?
[21:22:05] <rcn-ee> ah, so the config change might have broken it.. burris, from the linux-dev directory, can you pastebin.com "git diff"
[21:23:27] <rcn-ee> burris, that error happens everytime i install a new uImage/modules, but it doesn't stop anything from working like your seeing..
[21:24:33] <burris> rcn-ee: http://pastebin.com/5FJjPYcU
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[21:27:53] <rcn-ee> burris, thanks checking it out..
[21:28:26] <burris> should I try the stable repo?
[21:29:39] <rcn-ee> nah, that won't boot... ;) Kernel support for the am335x is still in it's infancy...
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[21:30:12] <burris> I'm using the rt patch at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/projects/rt/3.2/ if you're trying to reproduce thanks so much for creating and maintaining these tools, and helping me...
[21:31:26] <rcn-ee> humm, never tried that on arm, even with the xM/Panda... I've setup the repo, so by default it'll pretty much bootup and work on these boards, but once you start addding things.. well anything can go.. ;)
[21:32:40] <burris> you're right, I've never tried it on arm either, is the prebuilt image built with the non-preempt (server) or preemptible kernel (desktop)? if the former maybe just switching to the latter will be enough for my app
[21:33:22] <rcn-ee> well i disabled premption a couple releases back as the omap mmc driver couldn't handle it.. Lots of mmc errors on boot..
[21:33:45] <burris> oh bummer, sounds like I'm asking for a lot of pain
[21:33:46] <rcn-ee> no idea if that's fixed yet.. was around 2.6.36/37 time frame..
[21:34:32] <burris> I need low scheduling latency so I don't get skips when recording off usb while also using the usb for wifi
[21:35:09] <burris> I'll try the preemptible kernel without the rt patch and let you know how that works
[21:35:12] <rcn-ee> well, you just got to build, test, patch, rebuild, test. in small increments.. btw, if your doing small tweaks, there's another script ". ./tools/rebuild.sh" that'll just rerun makeconfig and make uImage on the existing KERNEL dir, saves a lot of time..
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[21:43:28] <burris> definitely, especially on my wimpy core duo laptop, thanks again!
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[21:51:22] <ds2> Hmm
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[21:58:15] <SilicaGel> Where are the PINMUX registers defined? I dno't see anything in the TRM or the UM on this, how the heck can that be
[21:59:34] <Sgarr> look for 'pad control registers'
[22:00:13] <SilicaGel> Thank you very much, got it.
[22:00:16] <Russ> :)
[22:00:33] <ds2> everything is defined in a TRM
[22:00:42] <jsabeaudry> I was mistaken
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[22:01:15] <antoniodemonio> hello
[22:01:17] <jsabeaudry> Correction: Arch does have omap_mux and other bells and whistles in /sys/kernel/debug
[22:01:44] <ds2> 200 Ready, set, fire!
[22:01:51] <rcn-ee> burris, might be something in the rt patch, this config based on yours on top of v3.2-psp3 works fine.. http://paste.debian.net/158125/
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[22:02:01] <mdp> ds2, just not the modes...
[22:02:28] <ds2> mdp: then you must have the wrong TRM ;) didn't say which TRM
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[22:04:14] <antoniodemonio> Any one has customized the splash screen on a beagleboard-xm rev c with ubuntu?
[22:04:58] <mdp> ds2, hehe
[22:04:59] <rcn-ee> antoniodemonio, like the u-boot orange thing or while it;s booting?
[22:05:01] <mdp> ds2, ok ok
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[22:05:39] <SilicaGel> what i want now is the table that says which pad control register maps to which ball
[22:06:14] <mdp> what part?
[22:06:15] <antoniodemonio> after beagleboard logo, when the ubuntu is booting. I need to put an image instead the linux tux
[22:06:38] <SilicaGel> all I can tell is that they start at offset 0x800 (TRM rev B section 9.3.1.50)
[22:06:42] <SilicaGel> I assume it's a BLOCK of them
[22:06:46] <mdp> SilicaGel: that's in the datasheet
[22:06:54] <mranostay> antoniodemonio: you'll have to rebuild u-boot iirc
[22:07:06] <ds2> depends on package used
[22:07:08] <mdp> SilicaGel: register, ball, modes
[22:07:21] <SilicaGel> ah ok i think I found it, that's ginormous table 9.8
[22:07:23] <SilicaGel> COOL
[22:07:29] <SilicaGel> PRUSS Pinmux, HERE I COME
[22:07:38] <mdp> yes, generally multiple tables too
[22:07:46] <mdp> as ds2 pointed out, be sure of the package
[22:08:01] <SilicaGel> yeah. It's ZCZ on the bone I think
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[22:11:25] <antoniodemonio> mranostay. Do you know any manual for my issue on beagleboard+ubuntu splash screen?
[22:11:25] <SilicaGel> I can't tell what makes it an output or an input. could _rx_active be that ?
[22:12:23] <rcn-ee> antoniodemonio, oh that one is pretty easy.. so in angstrom, they have a custom BeagleBoard.org logo instead of tux.. file is here: http://git.angstrom-distribution.org/cgi-bin/cgit.cgi/meta-texasinstruments/tree/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-omap/beagleboard/defconfig#n2315 and logo here: http://git.angstrom-distribution.org/cgi-bin/cgit.cgi/meta-texasinstruments/tree/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-omap/beagleboard
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[22:13:17] <SilicaGel> mode: OMAP_PIN_OUTPUT | OMAP_MUX_MODE0
[22:13:25] <SilicaGel> so linux think sthere's an OMAP_PIN_OUTPUT and an OMAP_PIN_INPUT
[22:13:30] <ds2> just keep the cool pengin there
[22:13:30] <SilicaGel> I bet that's rx_active
[22:13:33] <ds2> reduces heat ;)
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[22:13:58] <rcn-ee> ds2, he's probally branding it as WincE.. ;)
[22:14:34] <ds2> rcn-ee: that'll fail QA immediately. QA checks for the entire thing not working
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[22:15:16] <rcn-ee> unless it's a clone device, it just has to look pretty.. not necessary work..
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[22:19:04] <Sgarr> SilicaGel if that's bit5, then yes
[22:19:15] <SilicaGel> let me open it up again
[22:19:44] <SilicaGel> but 5
[22:19:46] <SilicaGel> *snap*
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[22:19:48] <SilicaGel> thanks, man
[22:19:56] <Sgarr> np
[22:20:00] <SilicaGel> what i'm going to do is set the pin to pru externally
[22:20:08] <SilicaGel> then have the pru program itself only set the PRU internal pinmux
[22:20:16] <SilicaGel> which is only necessary because I happen to be usign PRU0 for this.
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[22:20:38] <SilicaGel> it looks like I get 6 inputs and 6 outputs to screw with directly from the PRU
[22:21:07] <SilicaGel> I need to go through that and figure out which ones of those map to pins available on the bone expansion connector
[22:21:15] <Sgarr> That is a frontier I have not ventured into yet???
[22:21:23] <SilicaGel> it's going to work!
[22:21:28] <SilicaGel> It all makes sense to me now.
[22:21:39] <SilicaGel> I need a better job. One that lets me exploit this new knowledge.
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[22:22:19] <aholler_> bitbanger?
[22:22:31] <_av500_> pintoggler
[22:22:38] <_av500_> master muxer
[22:22:48] <SilicaGel> Yeah, think of it like a customized SPI
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[22:23:43] <SilicaGel> I suppose the PRU can really manipulate any GPIO pin it wants via L3 to L4
[22:23:57] <SilicaGel> but at much greater latency than simply writing a bit in either R30 or R31
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[22:24:12] <_av500_> just dont let it get selfconscious
[22:24:47] <SilicaGel> i'm more worried that the PRU, which TI says is unsupported (about 100 times a day on the forums), will be determined to be so top secret (like timer12) that they send the TI police squad after me
[22:25:03] <SilicaGel> or even worse, the TI assassins!
[22:25:13] <aholler_> cowboys?
[22:25:13] <mranostay> heh assassins?
[22:25:17] <SilicaGel> assasins ?
[22:25:20] <_av500_> SilicaGel: dont worry
[22:25:26] <ds2> so if we see a Death by calculator, I will assume it is you, SilicaGel?
[22:25:28] <SilicaGel> why shouldn't I worry? They have killed before
[22:25:31] <SilicaGel> There used to be a timer13
[22:25:39] <ds2> or prehaps story about a guy bludgeon by a speak and spell? :D
[22:25:41] <SilicaGel> they ... erased the problem
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[22:25:59] <SilicaGel> or a TI-99/4A
[22:26:02] <SilicaGel> could be one of those
[22:26:18] <SilicaGel> small, yes, but you still wouldn't want one inserted rectally
[22:26:56] <_av500_> I did notice some patches of lawn much greener than the surrounding areas at TI Dallas...
[22:27:00] <_av500_> not it makessense
[22:27:03] <_av500_> now
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[22:31:23] <aholler_> so we can expect "texanian secrets" at wikileaks in the near future?
[22:32:37] <mdp> SilicaGel: the PRU is unsupported, btw
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[22:32:48] <_av500_> 101
[22:33:13] <mdp> we've been asked to spread the word in all forums :)
[22:34:01] <SilicaGel> noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[22:34:15] <ds2> slap on a MSP430
[22:34:20] <ds2> it is easier and less painful
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[22:34:40] <SilicaGel> it's really not very painful
[22:34:52] <mdp> SilicaGel: if you have a favorite pub..well, rest assured some of our people will be there to notify everybody that the PRU is unsupported
[22:34:53] <SilicaGel> I just make it seem that way
[22:35:16] <SilicaGel> well maybe some day it will be supported
[22:35:47] <SilicaGel> and maybe if it's not, I can somehow make money off of being someone who figures it out for himself?
[22:36:24] <SilicaGel> If not, maybe I can use it to speed up the development of my death ray
[22:37:22] <SilicaGel> my fear now is that the bone wasn't designed for this, so my selection of pins that map to this thing may be far less than i would like.
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[22:38:01] <mdp> I'm pretty sure the bone legal disclaimer prohibits use in a death ray anyway
[22:38:09] <SilicaGel> too bad
[22:38:12] <SilicaGel> bone death cape
[22:38:14] <aholler_> just sell codecs, e.g. "additional bitbanged rs232 for am*"
[22:38:14] <SilicaGel> who's going to stop me?
[22:38:16] <mdp> right under the not to be used in medical devices part
[22:38:48] <mdp> I guess if you've got a death ray it's going to be tough to enforce that clause
[22:39:01] <SilicaGel> exactly my thought
[22:39:01] <mdp> let me talk to legal about that
[22:39:04] <ds2> so no implanted bones in the near future? ;)
[22:39:05] <SilicaGel> ok
[22:39:11] <mdp> they're super useful
[22:39:19] <SilicaGel> I bet they're just as useful as our legal dept.
[22:39:43] <SilicaGel> Our lawyers' idea of contracts is "well, it's really safer for us if you don't work with anybody"
[22:40:03] <SilicaGel> ... but they'll change their tune when they're staring down the busines end of DeathCape
[22:40:22] * _av500_ hides undes the Invisicape
[22:40:39] <ds2> is that like the most secure computer is one that is unplugged and locked in a vault? :D
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[22:41:08] <SilicaGel> yeah, in fact the engineers refer to it as "$company vault" ... you nailed it precisely
[22:41:20] <_av500_> ds2: and shredded
[22:41:22] * mdp decides that his +4 Holy SwordCape is useless against this other stuff
[22:41:24] <SilicaGel> The vault is where all our I.P. goes to die
[22:41:37] <SilicaGel> it sucks, too. We have a lot of really talented people here.
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[22:41:52] <_av500_> SilicaGel: in the vault?
[22:42:06] <SilicaGel> But universities are so friggin difficult to work with. It's awful.
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[22:43:19] <SilicaGel> Hopefully my ARM death ray concept takes off. Everybody really seems to want a death ray that uses 80% less power than the intel death ray. It's good for the environment.
[22:43:53] <Russ> silicaGel, I know, and I hate how hot my intel based death ray gets
[22:44:04] <SilicaGel> and it probably crashes a lot, too, I bet
[22:44:10] <aholler_> it helps agains unemployment and pensions too
[22:44:15] <Russ> ...if I had a nickel...
[22:44:18] <ds2> hard to hold?
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[22:44:30] <SilicaGel> ok. back later, apparently it's my turn to cook dinner!
[22:44:49] <Russ> silicaGel, finally, a use for atom processors
[22:44:58] <_av500_> atomize!
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[22:50:25] <aholler_> atoms playing "Indian Love Call"?
[22:51:02] <ds2> Russ: your neighbors might hear you!
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[22:51:36] <Russ> I say let them
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[23:02:49] <daniel____> hi community! I bough today a lovely beaglebone but I stuck with it. I connected to my computer via USB and the drivers can not be found by my OS (Windows Vista). I tried to install the driver from the SD card, but my OS is not an english one, so the setup can't even start. I managed to start it anyway, but the installer said that failed to install ftdi drivers. The newest drivers from FTDI's official page are working either. I'm s
[23:03:57] <daniel____> I just want to connect to the root console, or maybe test its demo features (like node.js)
[23:04:32] <_av500_> did you check the mailing list?
[23:04:43] <_av500_> there was something there about these non-english issues
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[23:07:29] <daniel____> yes, I found that thread and I can start the installer, but it fails to install the drivers :(
[23:09:13] <_av500_> daniel____: but you should be able to access it via the network
[23:09:19] <_av500_> if serial does not work
[23:09:24] <_av500_> tried that?
[23:10:43] <_av500_> so, it has come to this: https://semiaccurate.com/2012/02/29/amd-buys-seamicro-and-what-a-buy-it-is/
[23:12:38] <jay6981> come to what?
[23:13:03] <mru> jay6981: http://xkcd.com/1022/
[23:13:08] <_av500_> jay6981: to somebody posting a randon url on irc
[23:13:14] <jay6981> haha
[23:13:22] <jay6981> not sure why they'd think anyone would have to drive further :)
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[23:13:48] <joppefan> any good schematics application for mac ?
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[23:14:06] <_av500_> joppefan: there is not need for that on the max
[23:14:08] <_av500_> the mac
[23:14:09] <daniel____> I'm digging into it
[23:14:33] <_av500_> because you cannot outdesign the guys in cupertino
[23:14:36] <daniel____> my vid and pid doesnt match with the drivers' inf file, how can this happened?
[23:14:47] <_av500_> just go consume itunes, willya
[23:14:53] <joppefan> _av500_ :) ??? are you sure ..
[23:15:03] <joppefan> give me infinite of money and time and i will beat them :)
[23:15:21] <_av500_> the reside at Infinite Loop
[23:15:24] <_av500_> they
[23:15:35] <_av500_> there, outsmarted you again
[23:15:39] <joppefan> haha :)
[23:15:54] <_av500_> now please go consume and that $99 btw...thx
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[23:19:49] <joppefan> _av500_: so if you outsmart me all the time is gEda any good ? for small hobby projects ?
[23:20:37] <_av500_> joppefan: no idea, I do SW :)
[23:21:01] <mru> it's certainly not good for _all_ small hobby projects
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[23:21:26] <joppefan> mkay then its install windows in vmware i guess :)
[23:21:46] <_av500_> joppefan: I like Eagle, but people dont like that the free version of eagle is limited
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[23:22:07] <_av500_> only one schematics page and 1/2 euro pcb
[23:22:26] <joppefan> mm .. i tried that way back in school ..
[23:22:39] <_av500_> joppefan: it still looks the same :)
[23:23:12] <joppefan> what a shock :)
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[23:44:27] <Russ> eagle does have a linux version, I think ubuntu even has it packaged in universe
[23:44:35] <Russ> but I really prefer the gEDA toolset
[23:45:29] <ds2> gEDA lacks libraries
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[23:55:11] <Russ> eh, libraries tend to be outdated anyway
[23:57:39] <SilicaGell> do they really?
[23:57:43] <SilicaGell> russ what version?
[23:57:53] <SilicaGell> what version of ubuntu and what version of eagle
[23:58:23] <Russ> Version: 5.12.0-1ubuntu1
[23:58:30] <SilicaGell> oh
[23:58:31] <SilicaGell> too old.
[23:59:22] <SilicaGell> russ have you lookd at kicad ?
[23:59:33] <Russ> only briefly
[23:59:39] <SilicaGell> I finally gave up n all these free tools and started using eagle. then bought a hobbyist license.
[23:59:46] <SilicaGell> It was super fast to learn
[23:59:52] <SilicaGell> much less painful than cadence/allegro that we have at work

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