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IRC Log for 2012-04-17
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- [00:43:23] <mdp>
jsabeaudry: still around?
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- [00:46:27] <mdp>
jsabeaudry: you might look at http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/EDMA_sample_test_application
- [00:46:39] <mdp>
it's on our wiki so it must be true
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- [00:48:23] <gandalf__>
I cannot get internet on my beagle board and it is killing me
- [00:48:37] <gandalf__>
I can scp files to it but I cannot ping google
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- [00:49:17] <gandalf__>
it is hooked up via Ethernet to my computer
- [00:49:37] <mru>
and your computer is connected to the internet?
- [00:49:43] <gandalf__>
haha, yes
- [00:50:11] <mru>
how is the beagle connected?
- [00:50:20] <mru>
to a separate network port on the pc?
- [00:50:40] <gandalf__>
directly to the computer via ethernet
- [00:51:04] <mru>
and how is the computer connected to the internet?
- [00:51:11] <gandalf__>
wi-fi
- [00:51:25] <mru>
so the computer has two network interfaces
- [00:51:32] <mru>
one for the internet and one for the beagle
- [00:51:36] <gandalf__>
yes
- [00:51:45] <mru>
what OS on the pc?
- [00:51:55] <gandalf__>
debian
- [00:52:14] <mru>
you need to enable packet forwarding at the very least
- [00:52:22] <gandalf__>
I did
- [00:52:29] <mru>
how?
- [00:52:32] <scromp>
somebody named gandalf should be able to get this rockin'
- [00:53:06] <mru>
scromp: irc nicks don't work like that
- [00:53:12] <mru>
quite the opposite, in fact
- [00:53:13] <scromp>
damn it all
- [00:54:08] <gandalf__>
I can check like this: sudo cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
- [00:54:12] <gandalf__>
returns 1
- [00:54:32] <mru>
you don't need sudo just to look, but sure, that seems correct
- [00:55:22] <mru>
have you configured the pc as gateway on the beagle?
- [00:56:31] <gandalf__>
hmmm, maybe not, not sure. How is that done?
- [00:56:40] <mru>
depends
- [00:56:54] <mru>
static configuration or dhcp?
- [00:57:16] <gandalf__>
static
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- [01:14:37] <prpplague>
koen: ping
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- [01:33:42] <gandalf__>
what does "cdc_acm: Unknown symbol usb_kill_urb" mean?
- [01:34:01] <gandalf__>
[ 234.893707] cdc_acm: Unknown symbol usb_kill_urb [ 234.894256] cdc_acm: disagrees about version of symbol usb_buffer_free [ 234.894256] cdc_acm: Unknown symbol usb_buffer_free [ 234.894836] cdc_acm: Unknown symbol sub_preempt_count [ 234.895355] cdc_acm: disagrees about version of symbol dev_set_drvdata [ 234.895385] cdc_acm: Unknown symbol dev_set_drvdata [ 234.895690] cdc_acm: disagrees about version of symbol usb_buffer
- [01:37:00] <prpplague>
gandalf__: looks like you are using different versions of the kernel modules
- [01:37:48] <gandalf__>
that would explain why none of my drivers work
- [01:37:54] <gandalf__>
how do you fix it?
- [01:38:36] <prpplague>
get the right versions?
- [01:38:58] <prpplague>
i am guessing you probably have some mix up of root filesystem and kernel builds
- [01:39:04] <prpplague>
probably build separately
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- [01:39:11] <gandalf__>
I got this with opkg install kernel-module-cdc-acm
- [01:39:47] <gandalf__>
wouldn't the package manager know to download the right one?
- [01:41:09] <prpplague>
gandalf__: probably not if you built your kernel separately
- [01:41:16] <prpplague>
gandalf__: or if you have the wrong build info
- [01:43:17] <gandalf__>
I did not build the kernel. It might be possible I installed the wrong filesystem. How do you change the build info?
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- [01:54:12] <gandalf__>
ah whatever, I'll just install a different os
- [01:57:58] <thurbad>
where'd you get the kernel?
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hope he finds a better OS
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heh
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- [04:28:02] <iMammal>
I want to use a 3G or 4G usb adapter with the beagle to have a stable wireless internet connection. Any ideas about how to best accomplish this?
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- [04:29:24] <mranostay>
iMammal: er does the adapter have linux support?
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- [04:45:14] <nemik>
so is using poll() the accepted way to do interrupts in Linux on BeagleBone?
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- [04:53:14] <prpplague>
poll by definition is not an interrupt
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- [04:57:16] <mranostay>
heh
- [04:57:22] <mranostay>
poll != interrupt
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- [05:00:48] <nemik>
yea...i know. i'd prefer actual interrupts too
- [05:01:00] <iMammal>
mranostay: I'll have to find one that does. I'd had cell phones that had linux ACM support but I want to use a usb stick for stability.
- [05:01:28] <nemik>
just can't seem to locate any info on using them in beaglebone. has anyone done this with input gpio?
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- [05:02:47] <iMammal>
I'd be open to using a boat with a built in 3g or 4g radio if anybody knows of such a thing.
- [05:02:57] <iMammal>
s/boat/board/
- [05:04:14] <f00bard>
nemik: wondering that myself
- [05:04:24] <f00bard>
tried gpio_request but that doesnt esem to work
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- [05:05:48] <nemik>
iMammal: most should work, these instructions (except the pacman stuff) should work on Angstrom too https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/USB_3G_Modem
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- [05:12:45] <nemik>
f00bard: yea been reading for a while now and can't find much about it either. everyone just seems to use polling or there's some talk about the PRUSS but i don't understand it
- [05:15:06] <iMammal>
seems like sprint has a number of usb modem sticks that have linux support.
- [05:16:00] <iMammal>
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/USB_3G_Modem
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- [05:29:07] <mranostay>
iMammal: as long as it isn't a x86 binary blob
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- [06:50:58] <pastjean>
is there a way for Gpio to work on 1.8v instead of 3.3 ? (i have a device pluged on adc which i give 1.8v)
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- [06:58:16] <aholler_>
http://www.sparkfun.com/products/8745
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aholler: thanks
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I've just bought a BB-xM, but my screen doesn't have HDMI port. Can I use COM port (RS232) to display on the monitor via terminal?
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Hi, anyone knows if I can use the Sitara SDK (targeted for windows) in CCS ona windows machine?
- [07:42:57] <kipper>
....sorry (targeted for Linux)*
- [07:46:03] <koen>
yes, but you can also poke your eyeballs with sharp sticks
- [07:46:14] <koen>
that something is possible doesn't mean it's a good idea
- [07:46:20] <koen>
if you target linux, use linux
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- [07:50:13] <kipper>
I don't target Linux but Non-OS development instead using CCS on a windows. Starterware doesn't support all that much for the beaglebone currently and I thought that maybe I could benefit from using the Sitara SDK for Linux...Am I completely off?
- [07:50:50] <av500>
slightly
- [07:50:53] <kipper>
ok
- [07:52:25] <kipper>
My main problem is that I need to get McASP running on the Beaglebone and the recipe for doing that in the Starterware documentation is meant for the EVM and not the Beaglebone so I can't follow that recipe :(
- [07:56:51] <kipper>
For example following this recipe: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/StarterWare_McASP ....Starterware for Beaglebone doesnt support McASPPinMuxSetup()
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- [07:58:43] <av500>
why should mcasp differ between bone and evm?
- [07:58:50] <av500>
its the same cpu
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in my CCS project I need to include both soc_AM335x.h and the evmAM335x.h and I get an error...I'm completely new with BB and CCS so maybe this is easily remedied
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- [08:11:28] <kipper>
In the evmAM335x.h the McASPPinMuxSetup() is listed as a protype function and it isn't in the soc_AM3358.h
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- [08:35:28] <av500>
then steal it
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- [09:51:08] <koen>
hmmm
- [09:51:24] <koen>
fixing beaglebone regressions turns out to be an exercise in reverting vendor patches
- [09:51:48] <av500>
dont buy patches from vendors
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- [09:55:29] <XorA>
hehe
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- [09:56:41] <dm8tbr>
patches! fresh patches! finest produce! applies fine! compiles well! lowest prices! 26 each, buy two, pay 54!
- [09:56:58] <koen>
can I take an option on that deal
- [09:57:53] <dm8tbr>
I have those fine collateral patch obligations, would you be interested in those?
- [09:57:55] <av500>
how hard is it to enter "DM3730 TRM" into google?
- [09:58:13] <av500>
dm8tbr: not "collateral damage" ?
- [09:58:16] <dm8tbr>
N-P-hard?
- [09:58:50] <av500>
koen: also, I dont get your remark, you mean bitbake does not support ftp?
- [09:58:55] <aholler>
but first you need to find some evil unlocking tool which voids the warranty.
- [10:00:03] <koen>
av500: only gopher
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- [10:01:31] <av500>
hmm, I should release our GPL stuff on CD-R on demand
- [10:01:37] <petrolom1>
Hi I would like to check my understanding of C6runlib. I have 3 files main,lib A and lib B main - calls lib A function lib A - use C6Run_malloc and call lib B function (This lib runs on ARM but comunicate with dsp) lib B -can access to mem from dsp side (Runs on dsp) is that right ? main use gcc compiler and lib A, lib B c6run compiler ?
- [10:01:41] <av500>
I wonder how many would "order"...
- [10:03:14] <aholler>
root
- [10:03:14] * dm8tbr has ordered several times and paid in 'pieces of sweet' ;)
- [10:03:16] <aholler>
uups
- [10:03:33] <XorA>
people I know have actually killed their machines with GPL Warez :-D
- [10:03:41] <av500>
dm8tbr: I have many moar CD-Rs , so please send
- [10:03:44] <XorA>
so you would probably find you CDR "pirated"
- [10:03:48] <dm8tbr>
:p
- [10:04:00] <av500>
XorA: damn, can we prevent that?
- [10:04:31] <aholler>
offer a boot(loader) from usb or sd
- [10:04:32] <av500>
hmm, I have a Click drive, I will send it out on that
- [10:04:53] <XorA>
av500: like the dreamcast record the disks backwards?
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- [10:05:08] <av500>
maybe
- [10:05:42] <dm8tbr>
XorA: what happens if you play such a disk forward?
- [10:05:55] <XorA>
Satan Satan Satan
- [10:06:02] <dm8tbr>
:]
- [10:06:36] <XorA>
I guess that means 1/GPL = BSD
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- [10:10:38] * XorA boots Banshee in the stones!
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- [10:16:02] <aholler>
ls -hard
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- [10:16:52] <XorA>
I now seem to have 3-4 copies of every track in Banshee, 2-3 of them unplayable
- [10:17:08] <XorA>
it seems every time I start it, it just adds more copies
- [10:20:43] <av500>
so its like Itunes
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- [10:21:04] <XorA>
never used itunes, but I heard the horror stories
- [10:30:57] <av500>
XorA: from time to time I update it and try to have it index my music collection
- [10:31:10] <av500>
but it seems that 300GB is NP hard to do
- [10:31:58] <av500>
other "media players" manage the scan, but then are utterly unusable afterwards
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- [10:33:15] <XorA>
I tend to use foobar2000 which scans my whole collection in seconds and is highly usable afterwards
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- [10:33:26] <XorA>
but currently with the pulse mess wine audio its all jumpy :-D
- [10:34:37] <XorA>
Ive only got 100G so far though :_)
- [10:35:13] <XorA>
my CDs are all ripped as mp3 though as my ears are too damaged to tell different between that and FLAC :_D
- [10:36:31] <av500>
same here
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mp3 is a crime against humanity
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- [10:42:23] <XorA>
hehe
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- [10:53:09] <vristo>
Can someone please tell me how to read the register in the control module on the AM3358 - I need to read the mode (=[0:7]) of the GPIO periphs_?
- [10:53:19] <vristo>
I'm using CCS BTW?`
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- [10:54:49] <mdp>
koen, what do you want for free?
- [10:55:13] <vristo>
just the syntax
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- [10:55:56] <vristo>
but how much would it cost me to have you do a simple project that configures the McASP?
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- [11:01:01] <koen>
mdp: I want a pony
- [11:01:12] <koen>
(well, rather a real horse)
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- [11:01:28] * dm8tbr wants a steak sandwich
- [11:01:38] <mru>
koen: did you try sudo?
- [11:02:38] <koen>
yes
- [11:02:38] <mdp>
koen, I don't blame you
- [11:04:32] <mdp>
koen, but let's be realistic about the maintenance costs of horses..especially if you are living in a flat :)
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- [11:05:11] <mru>
the horse is a largely obsolete animal
- [11:05:19] <koen>
It's $10/day for food alone
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- [11:06:06] <mdp>
koen, indeed..don't forget time for required grooming maintenance of structures or cost to rent one to protect from the elements..medical expenses
- [11:06:17] <mdp>
wait, are we talkign about horse maintenance or s/w maintenance???or both?
- [11:06:39] <mru>
medical expenses... what code did you read?
- [11:06:51] <koen>
m4 or python
- [11:06:56] <koen>
those make my eyes bleed
- [11:07:03] <mdp>
mru, it will be necessary during the zombie apocalypse..don't discount their value by looking at current society's needs
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- [11:07:52] <koen>
and if all else fails, you can eat the horse
- [11:08:04] <mdp>
koen, stick with perl (of all things), as gregkh points out, you can write it to look C-like :)
- [11:08:35] <mdp>
koen, or, in the case hypothermia threat..you can slice it open with your lightsaber and sleep inside the carcass
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- [11:08:58] <mdp>
this is a one-shot trick, mind you
- [11:09:12] <mdp>
unless you can control a zombie horse
- [11:09:52] <mdp>
koen, mostly I think you need to set your expectations low(er)
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- [11:10:10] <mdp>
koen, this has helped me get through the days
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- [11:10:32] <koen>
mdp: Sturgeon's Law
- [11:11:10] <mdp>
well, I think that one is optimistic
- [11:11:22] <mdp>
wasn't it only 90%?
- [11:11:36] <koen>
yes
- [11:11:45] <mdp>
yeah, ok
- [11:11:53] <mdp>
"Sturgeon was an optimist"
- [11:12:05] <mdp>
good t-shirt
- [11:12:29] * mdp is about to regret something
- [11:12:34] <mru>
he was right, he just failed to mention you need to apply the law recursively
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- [11:13:22] <mdp>
vristo: there's an mcasp project in the kernel, ready to go for you. read sound/soc/davinci/davinci-mcasp.c
- [11:13:58] <koen>
"When faced with either doing something nonsensical or aborting with an error, it will do something nonsensical."
- [11:14:14] <mru>
so there's mcasp and mcbsp... imagine the confusion when we get mcdsp
- [11:15:05] <koen>
multi channel differential serial port?
- [11:15:38] <mdp>
how many years to reach mcpos?
- [11:15:50] * mdp waits for it
- [11:16:55] <koen>
..dary!
- [11:17:02] <mdp>
lol
- [11:17:29] <mru>
mdp: some might say we're already there
- [11:17:52] * mdp is relieved somebody else said it
- [11:18:00] <vristo>
<mdp> Thanks a lot for your generous help. I'm coding the beaglebone from CCS - can I use the information in the file your reference?
- [11:18:15] <mru>
also, have you ever had to deal with a point-of-sale system?
- [11:18:18] <vristo>
<mdp> CCS in win7 that is
- [11:19:05] <mdp>
vristo: no idea..I don't use CCS/Eclipse as it's not compatible with my workflow
- [11:19:25] <mru>
eclipse is not compatible with my brain
- [11:20:39] <mdp>
vristo: I would suggest you go to a CCS e2e forum and post the question there???most people on #beagle probably can't help you with it
- [11:22:01] <vristo>
<mdp> Thanks! the davinci-mcasp.c file looks interesting...I think I will try my luck with Linux. I was just a little scared with dealing with ALSA and Linux in general but if I can figure out how to get the Mcasp kernal running I should be happy
- [11:22:07] * koen looks at http://git.kernel.org/?p=utils/util-linux/util-linux.git;a=commitdiff;h=8fb6a2de79540d85567c40e0e5e8d42a612f3af2
- [11:25:33] <mru>
wtf, is lennart capable of writing something that doesn't use dbus, gconf, and half of gnome?
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- [11:43:44] <jkridner___>
gm all
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- [11:44:16] <XorA>
mru: next project is gnome-shell-bios :-D
- [11:44:24] <mdp>
wb jkridner___
- [11:44:56] <mdp>
XorA: written in forth???that would be crazy if somebody wrote firmware in forth!!!!
- [11:45:04] <av500>
totally
- [11:45:15] <mdp>
"never been done before"
- [11:45:29] <XorA>
Jupiter 1 BIOS :_D
- [11:45:34] <mru>
revolutionary
- [11:45:52] * XorA still needs to get a Jupiter 1
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- [11:47:49] <mdp>
thankfully DT provides a comfort blankee for me so I feel like I'm back in the CHRP mac clone days again
- [11:47:51] <XorA>
Jupiter Ace sorry
- [11:50:03] <av500>
mdp: can one write a forth machine in DT?
- [11:52:53] <koen>
jkridner___: welcome back
- [11:54:11] <mru>
av500: I don't think it's possible... yet
- [11:57:52] <jkridner>
thanks koen, mdp
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- [12:35:51] <mdp>
av500, one can do anything in DT
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- [12:43:40] <av500>
mdp: make me a sandwich in DT
- [12:44:51] <panto>
av500, shouldn't that be: sudo mdp: make me a sandwich in DT?
- [12:44:59] * mdp starts a binding to describe the sandwich hardware
- [12:45:26] <mdp>
I only respond to "Siri"
- [12:45:51] <panto>
how about ramirez?
- [12:46:00] <mdp>
possibly
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- [12:47:25] <mdp>
av500, we need to take this sandwich binding to lkml..I think that we need to have a generic binding, but then some platform specific portion due to cultural differences in the makeup of the sandwich h/w
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- [12:47:54] <mdp>
and we need to handle the case of the Dagwood sandwich which make have N slices of bread in it's towering form factor
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- [12:48:17] * mdp wonders how this ties into the pinmux binding
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- [12:51:24] <av500>
mdp: also, do we want "stable" sandwiches to get backport from more "experimental" ones?
- [12:53:08] <mdp>
maybe
- [12:53:17] <mdp>
now I'm worried about the SandwichCape
- [12:53:44] <mdp>
perhaps we should store DT fragments in the eeprom on there
- [12:53:51] <mdp>
koen, hey, is DT ready yet? :)
- [12:54:23] <koen>
it smell funny
- [12:54:28] <koen>
smells*
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- [13:00:52] <jsabeaudry>
mdp, thanks for the edma sample application, unfortunately, after fixing 2 includes to make it build, it hangs my beaglebone when I insmod it...
- [13:01:09] <aholler>
mdp: did such a tree fall upon you or where does that obesession come from?
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- [13:07:05] <mdp>
jsabeaudry: progress!
- [13:07:28] <mdp>
aholler, sandwich obsession?
- [13:07:56] <jsabeaudry>
ya even if I cant make that sample app run, perhaps I can learn a thing or two from it
- [13:09:23] <mdp>
jsabeaudry: yeah, I don't have any experience with that stuff, maybe somebody else around here does
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- [13:10:27] <mdp>
keep in mind that it was for ti814x/816x too, probably dependent on some default configuration of channels or otherwise
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- [13:22:08] <jsabeaudry>
I can't even get the first printk in the __init, would someone be so kind as to compile and insmod this TI EDMA Sample on the beaglebone? http://pastebin.ca/2137187
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- [13:24:11] <SilicaGel>
ok so
- [13:24:16] <SilicaGel>
any PRU interested people here
- [13:24:20] <SilicaGel>
because we have a serious problem.
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- [13:29:29] <SilicaGel>
TI seems to have pulled all the documentation on the PRU subsystem ENTIRELY now
- [13:29:33] <SilicaGel>
it DISAPPEARED from the TRM
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- [13:30:52] <SilicaGel>
it's possible that it's not sinister... and that the documentation on the PRUSS is going to be in the next version of the SDK (with pasm v2) tha twill be freely available for download.
- [13:31:00] <SilicaGel>
or TI is screwing us in the A, if you get my drift.
- [13:33:52] <jkridner___>
it is moving to an addendum
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I'll be releasing the addendum soon.
- [13:34:03] <SilicaGel>
are you telling me not to panic? Because it's too late!!!
- [13:34:07] <jkridner___>
I've been reviewing the candidate releases.
- [13:34:19] <SilicaGel>
oh. okay. whew.
- [13:34:25] <SilicaGel>
I knew TI wasn't evil all along!
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- [13:35:09] <jkridner___>
I'll ping for the final approval to release.
- [13:35:25] <jkridner___>
The last question I was asked about was the license for the documentation...
- [13:35:36] <jkridner___>
I'm thinking I'll recommend CC-BY-SA
- [13:37:43] <jsabeaudry>
Anyone has 5 mins to spare to help a fellow beaglebone user: build http://pastebin.ca/2137187 with this makefile http://pastebin.ca/2137207 and tell me if you can insmod (warning it may hang your system)
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- [13:40:49] <SilicaGel>
Do you think the new documetnation is likely to have instruction encodings ?
- [13:41:05] <jkridner___>
yes
- [13:41:22] <SilicaGel>
that will really help me with my pru debugger project
- [13:41:59] <mru>
SilicaGel: I have old versions of the trm if you need them
- [13:42:52] <mru>
a, b, and c
- [13:43:03] <SilicaGel>
I kept them too, :)
- [13:43:19] <mru>
you've learned :)
- [13:43:45] <SilicaGel>
yeah. Until now though I haven't really ever had a reason I HAD to go back to a previous revision
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- [13:48:09] <mdp>
SilicaGel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor
- [13:49:05] <SilicaGel>
wow
- [13:49:06] <SilicaGel>
haha
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- [13:50:10] <mru>
that wikipedia page is incomplete
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- [13:52:18] <mru>
there's another guy who insists he's the one who came up with it: http://bilclarke.blogspot.co.uk/2006/01/credit-where-its-due.html
- [13:52:36] <nemik>
so is the PRU the only way to get proper GPIO interrupts in the kernel?
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- [13:56:03] <jsabeaudry>
nemik, what do you mean by proper?
- [13:56:16] <jsabeaudry>
nemik, what is wrong with standard gpio interrupts?
- [13:56:48] <jsabeaudry>
In TI's emda sample they call edma_write_slot on a channel !?
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- [13:58:46] <jsabeaudry>
oh, there is something big I dont understand, they also call edma_free_slot on a channel
- [13:59:23] <nemik>
jsabeaudry: from everything i read, the 'standard' way seems to be using poll()
- [13:59:48] <nemik>
unless i'm missing other ways to use them in userland?
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- [14:00:23] <jsabeaudry>
oh sorry though you were talking about "in the kernel"
- [14:01:02] <mdp>
nemik, what is improper about poll() in userspace?
- [14:01:40] <SilicaGel>
yeah, nemik, you can poll or select or whatever. or if it's just one, read I think
- [14:02:16] <nemik>
poll() is the opposite of an interrupt
- [14:02:21] <SilicaGel>
i saw somethign come across the beagle ... well it's on facebook so I don't really know what the hell it is
- [14:02:25] <nemik>
i mean getting a proper interrupt
- [14:02:34] <SilicaGel>
where somebody made an optical shaft decoder using just gpio interrupts
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- [14:02:43] <SilicaGel>
well you're in userspace
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- [14:02:58] <SilicaGel>
traditional interrupts don't really make sense, the only mechanism linux really has for something like that is signals, and that'd be an awful use of signals
- [14:03:06] <mdp>
nemik, you're getting a proper interrupt!
- [14:03:11] <nemik>
SilicaGel: sure, but why couldn't i get an event for it? like when a key is pressed
- [14:03:31] <mdp>
you are getting an event
- [14:03:34] <SilicaGel>
yeah
- [14:03:47] <nemik>
but it's polling constantly to observe it, no?
- [14:04:00] <mdp>
your userspace code does not have to poll
- [14:04:25] <mdp>
your thread will simply be woken up by the kernel when using poll()
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- [14:04:33] <SilicaGel>
yeah. poll and select can block
- [14:05:09] <nemik>
would it be fast enough to detect something like a weigand signal?
- [14:05:11] <SilicaGel>
the pattern for asynchronous events and callbacks in linux typically is to have a service thread (LWP) do the poll and/or select and they in turn make the "asynchronous" call
- [14:05:19] <mdp>
do not confuse the term "poll" with the behavior of "poll()"
- [14:06:10] <mdp>
nemik, well now you are talking response latency in the context of userspace???that's a completely different question
- [14:06:46] <mdp>
nemik, you need to decide what your response time is and then see if you can handle the latency of the context switch
- [14:06:55] <nemik>
mdp: yea good point, i suppose i could write a kernel driver for it and just shuttle the output i get/process to userland instead of each event
- [14:07:05] <mdp>
much smarter
- [14:07:33] <mdp>
it's better to use linux as intended instead of fighting it, trust me
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- [14:10:13] <nemik>
mdp: so in that driver, would that still use poll() too? is it a kernel-level utility as well? sorry i'm not familiar with it
- [14:10:54] <aholler>
nemik: there exists a gpio-keys driver
- [14:11:20] <mdp>
iirc, I'm not weigand card reader guru, but iirc, the protocol timing is extremely delicate..you have no chance to do this in userspace without moving to rt-preempt
- [14:11:48] <f00bard>
oh you're wanting to use GPIO to read weigand? that's what i'm working on too =X
- [14:12:06] <nemik>
f00bard: yea, for RFID readers
- [14:12:18] <f00bard>
it's not that delicate, it's basically self clocking, pulses come in on the 0 line or the 1 line
- [14:12:24] <f00bard>
nemik: same!
- [14:12:27] <mdp>
SilicaGel should sell you a PRU implementation
- [14:12:28] <nemik>
mdp: yea, it's not too bad
- [14:13:17] <mdp>
yeah, could be some other pos-related protocol I was told about..my bad
- [14:13:21] <nemik>
i do this on a dedicated micro currently with interrupts but it'd be nicer if it could all be done on the AM35x
- [14:13:29] <SilicaGel>
i saw someboyd else on the mailing list was talking about some PRU application they were working on that was like a 16 bit wide SPI
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- [14:14:02] <f00bard>
nemik: SPI might be another option for RFID, but you have to have the cards to reprogram the reader (assuming HID)
- [14:14:19] <f00bard>
and parsing weigand is much easier ^^
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- [14:16:24] <mdp>
yes, 2mS intervals between pulses is doable???but you risk losing data in user space
- [14:16:29] <nemik>
f00bard: yup, HID readers. the wiegand also sends their keypresses so it's nice all in one and its LEDs and beeps can also be done with GPIO. i currently use atmega or NXP micros and their interrupts to get the wiegand and then just send it over serial
- [14:16:52] <mdp>
without read further I assume it has a form of crc so you'll just deal with retransmits in some fashion
- [14:17:23] <f00bard>
mdp: yea parity bit at front and back of the payload, at least for RFID
- [14:17:38] <SilicaGel>
haha yo uknow
- [14:17:41] <SilicaGel>
with a uio driver
- [14:17:45] <SilicaGel>
you know how many interrupts you lost
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- [14:17:51] <SilicaGel>
so if those interrupts only occur on a GPIO bit changing
- [14:17:57] <SilicaGel>
then you wouldn't really ever lose anything
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- [14:18:12] <SilicaGel>
except timing. You know if the bit is now LOW and you missed 3 interrupts, well, you can fgiure out exactly what you missed
- [14:18:42] <SilicaGel>
hmm. This might be the first thing I have considered about UIO that I actually like. (Generally I dislike UIO)
- [14:18:47] <SilicaGel>
brb
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- [14:19:08] <nemik>
SilicaGel: found some info about that here: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/beagleboard/qpZSG7cjNSw is that what you mean?
- [14:21:06] <mdp>
SilicaGel: that's exactly what you need too???without that missed interrupt count that UIO kindly has, you have catastrophic failure if you silently miss one data bit due to a missed deadline
- [14:22:01] <mdp>
it appears that it is only transmitted once is why I say that
- [14:22:12] <nemik>
mdp: yea, exactly
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- [14:24:39] <mdp>
nemik, http://www.kernel.org/doc/htmldocs/uio-howto.html
- [14:24:46] <SilicaGel>
nemik: yeah. That's actually own own post :)
- [14:24:48] <nemik>
mdp: thank you, i'm reading that now actually
- [14:24:59] <nemik>
SilicaGel: thanks!
- [14:25:00] <SilicaGel>
from way back in feb, which I can barely remember!
- [14:26:05] <mdp>
nemik, note that serious industrial i/o type users often are using it in conjunction with rt kernels to achieve tighter scheduling requirements..
- [14:26:21] <av500>
hmm, I think we need kernel-run, like c6run
- [14:26:32] <av500>
where c6run takes your code and transparently runs it on the DSP
- [14:26:41] <av500>
kernel-run would run it on the kernel side
- [14:26:51] <mdp>
and make me a sandwich?
- [14:26:55] <av500>
sure
- [14:27:15] <f00bard>
sudo make me a sandwich
- [14:27:23] <f00bard>
userspace sandwiches for all
- [14:27:28] <SilicaGel>
f00bard: I have that on my wall!
- [14:27:29] <av500>
I bet in-kernel-python would beat the crap out of nodejs
- [14:27:42] <SilicaGel>
f00bard: a framed print, signed by the author!
- [14:27:49] <f00bard>
=D
- [14:27:56] <nemik>
mdp: thanks, i suppose it's another thing to consider but i think in this case and the quantaties we're targetting, the cost of the extra micro and UART connections is cheaper than porting everything over to a new kernel
- [14:28:15] <f00bard>
SilicaGel: my friend got me this one as a gift http://xkcd.com/386/
- [14:28:18] <av500>
there is a reason why the bone cpu has 6 uarts
- [14:28:27] <av500>
they are all to talk to micros that talk to hardware
- [14:28:29] <SilicaGel>
ahahaha that is an awesome one
- [14:28:34] <mdp>
indeed, moving to -rt should be a last resort
- [14:29:05] <mdp>
av500, perl is the only blessed scripting language for kernel related items
- [14:29:38] <nemik>
this is more of a nice-to-have to reduce part count, the micros aren't really that expensive and even the cheapest msp430's or avrs could do this. but it's quite tempting to take advantage of all the IO that exists on the AM35x!
- [14:29:40] <Mojito>
So if one wanted to build a BBone-powered robot, the best approach would be to put in an Arduino to do the low level hardware interfaces and let the BBone just do the more complex stuff?
- [14:29:45] <mdp>
av500, I thought that 6 uarts were to hang 6 vt100s off and have a low-cost timesharing *nux machine
- [14:30:01] <SilicaGel>
woah, what an idea
- [14:30:12] <mdp>
I'm full of them
- [14:30:23] <Mojito>
All playing "Zork"
- [14:30:32] <nemik>
Mojito: until user-land IO gets better, yes that would be the fastest approach to get started. not sure about 'best'
- [14:30:35] <mdp>
always with the games!
- [14:30:45] <SilicaGel>
wasn't there a multiplayer one
- [14:30:50] <SilicaGel>
Moria or something
- [14:30:53] <av500>
mdp: so 6 poor kids can learn to program at the same time, hmm, that's only ~15$ per kid!!!!!!!
- [14:31:09] <Mojito>
Where you getting these free VT100s? :)
- [14:31:14] <mdp>
Mojito: Zork and running PennMUSH
- [14:31:17] <SilicaGel>
mangband? or phantasia? or something?
- [14:31:31] <SilicaGel>
there was something that was like hack except you could see other players running around and you could gamg up on monsters
- [14:31:31] <av500>
Mojito: the same place r-pi gets freew HDMI monitors....
- [14:31:40] <mdp>
Mojito: you get them at the university surplus place..cheap!
- [14:32:18] <av500>
or any any goverment office
- [14:32:22] <av500>
at any*
- [14:32:27] <mdp>
or maybe they can hook up to this inexpensive system via their laptop and a usb serial converter
- [14:32:28] <av500>
try the DMV
- [14:32:34] <av500>
mdp: +1
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- [14:32:48] <SilicaGel>
i met with a prospective client the other day and he actually used the word "timesharing"
- [14:33:04] <SilicaGel>
with regard to computing (not vacation homes)
- [14:33:12] <av500>
SilicaGel: was he checking his FB account a lot while talking to you?
- [14:33:26] <SilicaGel>
haha no
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- [14:34:35] <Mojito>
Using a $1000 laptop to access a timesharing service running on an $89 processor sounds like a good business plan
- [14:35:02] <mdp>
Mojito: they tell me this is why I'm stuck in engineering :(
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- [14:35:25] <SilicaGel>
hahahaahahaha
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SilicaGel: tell him you can provide him a multitasking OS too
- [14:36:58] <mru>
http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/45
- [14:36:59] <av500>
DJWillis: go back to your new fanbois!
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- [14:54:01] <jsabeaudry>
Progress on the EDMA front, it works in incremental mode, but if I happen to set FIFO mode at some point, nothing will work until a reboot (even if I edma_clean_channel)
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- [14:56:34] <jsabeaudry>
Could perhaps be related to SDOCM00084262
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Anyone with access to the status of that ticket here?
- [14:57:19] <av500>
also check SDOCM0008434444468957456234326784623785-Z2
- [14:59:11] <mdp>
jsabeaudry: those look "promising"
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- [15:01:38] <jsabeaudry>
Well if the DMA is non-functionnal it's a big problem for me
- [15:02:58] <mdp>
the good news is that it's functional in the use case of spi-omap2-mcspi.c
- [15:03:17] <mdp>
at least in koen's tree that I moved to
- [15:04:19] <jsabeaudry>
mdp, I'll take a look if that does FIFO Source address mode
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- [15:10:09] <mdp>
it does not
- [15:10:36] <jsabeaudry>
ya not even destination fifo mode
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- [15:18:02] <jsabeaudry>
ah my bad, was not aware of the 256 bits alignment rule
- [15:18:32] <jsabeaudry>
assumed alignment rule was the same as the fifo width
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- [15:34:15] <jsabeaudry>
ah this is not the whole answer, even with a properly aligned address it fails
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- [16:04:50] <mdp>
jsabeaudry: despite the pain of using the RationalToolThatShallNotBeNamed, I found that issue and the status is unresolved..fwiw
- [16:07:55] <jsabeaudry>
mdp, thanks for the info, I think I have found a workaround, it seems you can fake a non-incr dma by using an AB sync dma with a bidx of 0 or something of the sort...
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- [16:13:35] <mru>
ah, this explains the burning smell: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-17741364
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- [16:14:25] <av500>
how does one set scrap metal alight?
- [16:14:38] <av500>
somebody dropped thermite on the scrap yard?
- [16:15:06] <mdp>
jsabeaudry: that is what mcspi does, fwiw..maybe that was your reference
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- [16:17:58] <Haikarainen>
I want to install a minimal debian on my pandaboard es, but I want the root to be on my SSD-drive via USB(have adapter). I dont know where to start, even though I have googled. Please help
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- [16:24:54] <rcn-ee>
Haikarainen, http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#Debian_NetInstall then just choose the usb harddrive during partition selection..
- [16:26:05] <Haikarainen>
rcn-ee omg thanks! how well supported is this with panda?
- [16:26:50] <rcn-ee>
running on 24/7 on 4 panda/panda_es and tested with 2other's on a weekly basis.. ;)
- [16:28:09] <rcn-ee>
(i saw no point in creating X number of "X"Board wiki pages, that page just started with the Beagle, but the script supports a half dozen other boards)..
- [16:28:16] <Haikarainen>
rcn-ee thanks a bunch man! all hw supported?
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- [16:30:09] <rcn-ee>
define 'all'... it's a pure mainline kernel.. currently based off v3.2.... so usb/wifi/bluetooth/ethernet/display.. (v3.3 added kms support, but isn't surviving my stress testing so i haven't pushed it yet.) (and v3.4-rc added audio support).. .so no 3d graphic support yet..
- [16:30:10] <av500>
all hw ever conceived by mankind!
- [16:30:31] <av500>
Haikarainen: and btw, this is not the panda channel
- [16:31:07] <rcn-ee>
ah, my bad for not replying on the #pandaboard.. he spamed both. ;)
- [16:31:23] <av500>
not getting an immediate answer on one channel is not reason to spam another one
- [16:31:25] <mdp>
booo panda!
- [16:31:28] <av500>
and I dont mean rcn-ee
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- [16:32:49] <av500>
wtf is a gist?
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av500: i think a gist is a large cyst
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*the* gist?
- [16:36:57] <av500>
https://gist.github.com/2391604
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wtf is a gist?
- [16:38:01] <mru>
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/gist
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does the bone expose gpmc on the headers?
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Crofton|work: yes??? see SRM starting at pg 49 for which pins and pin mux modes you need to set
- [17:11:25] <Crofton|work>
ah
- [17:11:31] <Crofton|work>
I looked once and did not see it
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kkeller, perfect for our ISACape :)
- [17:16:04] <SilicaGel>
A15 !!!!
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A20
- [17:18:15] <SilicaGel>
You sank my battleship!
- [17:19:28] <av500>
sorry, it was in the way
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- [17:20:30] <SilicaGel>
I was actually talking about http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/17/arm-announces-new-quad-core-cortex-a15-hard-macro-variant/
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what does hard macro mean?
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no microcode?
- [17:21:20] <av500>
no
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hard macro means a silicon level template
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it means that some IP core that's in there is
- [17:21:32] <SilicaGel>
yeah
- [17:21:36] <av500>
soft means vhdl
- [17:21:39] <SilicaGel>
as opposed to being RTL or Verilog or something
- [17:21:42] <SilicaGel>
yeah
- [17:21:46] <jay6981>
ic, thanks
- [17:21:51] <SilicaGel>
firm usually means RTL
- [17:21:52] <SilicaGel>
I think
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do I need a hard macro to run debian hf?
- [17:22:33] <SilicaGel>
no, but you need one to mate with memory
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*groan*
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why oh why do a growing number of people call and IM me directly and start out with "hi, how are you?" when what they want is BeagleBoard support?
- [18:26:08] <jkridner>
don't they understand how upset that makes me?
- [18:26:55] <jkridner>
if they just came here and asked... perhaps even singling me out... and just asked, without asking to ask... how much nicer would my life be?
- [18:27:08] <LetoThe2nd>
think politics.
- [18:27:26] <prpplague>
jkridner: it is also a general introduction in many cultures
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- [18:28:26] <prpplague>
jkridner: don't worry, i normally start of with: hey, you rat @#$@#$ so you don't need to get upset with me
- [18:29:28] <LetoThe2nd>
i personally "like" those who will spam you for hours in qry if you once tried to help them..
- [18:29:59] <prpplague>
LetoThe2nd: hehe
- [18:30:06] * jkridner always prefers socializing over a beer face-to-face and using e-mail/IM/IRC to simply let me know what you want!
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- [18:31:10] <djlewis>
you know, all your best friends are on facebook ;)
- [18:31:11] <LetoThe2nd>
jkridner: so please then, send money, beer and hot chicks. you can also add a few beagleboards if you happen to have some lying around.
- [18:31:20] <prpplague>
jkridner: i want a quad core arm board with 8gb ram and sata, for $19.99
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- [18:31:34] <prpplague>
(and free shipping)
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- [18:31:40] <mdp>
prpplague: bring your own hdmi monitor, mokay?
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- [18:31:53] <prpplague>
mdp: m'lay
- [18:31:56] <prpplague>
mdp: m'kay
- [18:32:01] <djlewis>
that does come with hand holding?
- [18:32:02] <jkridner>
prpplague: does it need to work?
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- [18:32:22] <prpplague>
jkridner: as long as the leds blink
- [18:32:46] <jkridner>
can do. I'll probably get around to it in around 2232.
- [18:32:49] <mdp>
prpplague: m'''''kay
- [18:32:58] <prpplague>
jkridner: hehe
- [18:33:06] <LetoThe2nd>
prpplague: a guitar player i know actually purchases gear based on the number of blinking leds that are mounted on it.
- [18:33:52] <jkridner>
.... now what was I doing before the last three calls and two IMs anyway? :-/
- [18:34:02] <mdp>
going for beer?
- [18:34:09] <LetoThe2nd>
hm, beer.
- [18:34:14] <prpplague>
jkridner: i'll go throw old sdram chips at gerald while i wait for the board
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- [18:35:42] <djlewis>
gm
- [18:35:55] <djlewis>
my new car has a good beer cooler built in :)
- [18:36:20] <djlewis>
big well over the spare to toss in a couple six packs and ice
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- [18:36:45] <mranostay>
djlewis: hello open container?
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- [18:36:55] <djlewis>
not while parked.
- [18:37:11] <LetoThe2nd>
oO( "hello, computer?" )
- [18:37:13] <djlewis>
i think the container means the can
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- [18:41:12] <jkridner>
hi alexandersalas. welcome to #beagle.
- [18:41:46] <alexandersalas>
jkridner: hi! :)
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- [18:42:29] <alexandersalas>
Thank you jkridner
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- [19:21:49] <cehh>
does beagleXM prints 'CCCC...' chars when it is trying to read bootloader from serial port?
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cehh, i'm pretty sure the am335x parts are the first to do that..
- [19:25:12] <petrolom>
Hi, I have problem with c6runlib-cc can somebody give me advice please ?
- [19:26:04] <petrolom>
I can compile examples (emqbit), but when I try to compile my dsp lib (c6runlib-cc -c -O3 DSP.c -o DSP.c) compiler end up in endless loop ( CPU100%) ( in c file isjust one simple c function) what am I doing wrong ?
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- [19:37:57] <cehh>
rcn-ee: thanks
- [19:42:01] <borillion>
if I enable modem support cdc acm, thats just the kernel right?
- [19:44:01] <aholler>
just in case you don't know, we don't see where you enable this
- [19:44:51] <borillion>
menuconfig
- [19:46:20] <aholler>
from the kernel I assume, so it is very likely that this just enables compilation of the driver in kernel ;)
- [19:46:48] <borillion>
thats what I mean lol
- [19:49:43] <SilicaGel>
man
- [19:49:56] <SilicaGel>
the SRM says that the mounting holes on the bone are
- [19:50:01] <SilicaGel>
oh crap I'm friggin reading it wrong
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- [19:50:26] <SilicaGel>
that's the problem, i'm looking at the radius of the edge of the board, not the radius of the hole. no wonder it is ridiculously big.
- [19:50:56] <borillion>
sorry about being vague, so All you have to do is make a new uImage when you use menuconfig to make changes to the kernel?
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- [19:52:42] <aholler>
borillion: no, you need the modules too
- [19:53:23] <SilicaGel>
does anybody know how big those holes are SUPPOSED to be? dwery?
- [19:54:18] <mdp>
for one thing I'm working on, I just brought up the gerbers in gerbv and took some measurements
- [19:55:23] <mdp>
since the SRM drawing only show the outer mechanicals
- [19:57:18] <mdp>
2mm radius iirc
- [19:57:22] <borillion>
SilicaGel, http://ladyada.net/products/bonebox/
- [19:57:32] <borillion>
look at the screw sizes there
- [19:57:44] <SilicaGel>
borillion++ good thinking
- [19:58:11] <SilicaGel>
The diam of a #4 screw is about 0.112". The average size of the clearance hole that the screw will fit in is about 0.120"
- [19:58:23] <SilicaGel>
0.120 inches = 3.04800 millimeters
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- [19:59:39] <dwery>
SilicaGel: holes?
- [19:59:57] <SilicaGel>
i think we figured it out. Just trying to figure out how big to make the holes!
- [19:59:58] <dwery>
no hole son my capes, sorry
- [20:00:03] <mdp>
yep, that's the measurement I see from the gerbers
- [20:00:21] <mdp>
since I remembered wrong :)
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- [20:02:38] <SilicaGel>
hmm so the only other thing i have to figure out is how do you make it so that in eagle you can place a hol eon the board but not have it be on the schematic. It works if I do it using a hole from the holes library, but not if I use my own hole, so something must be peculiar about the way they make theirs.
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- [20:05:41] <dwery>
SilicaGel: use the button marked as "hole" in the pcb editor
- [20:06:23] <SilicaGel>
yeah. but theirs also has a pad around it
- [20:06:28] <SilicaGel>
they seem to have both
- [20:06:46] <SilicaGel>
one called 3,2 and another one called 3,2-PAD
- [20:07:11] <SilicaGel>
at first Ithought their "pad" wasn't really a pad, it was just a polygon
- [20:07:16] <SilicaGel>
but it looks like it's a real genuine pad
- [20:07:43] <dwery>
uhm... then it should be in the holes library
- [20:07:55] <SilicaGel>
is that magical? that it came from the holes library?
- [20:08:05] <borillion>
aholler: modules?
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- [20:08:29] <dwery>
I guess so, it's been a while since my last hole :D
- [20:08:30] <aholler>
ls /lib/modules
- [20:08:57] <SilicaGel>
yeah ok
- [20:09:01] <SilicaGel>
their hole says
- [20:09:41] <SilicaGel>
oh no, theirs does too have a pad ... weird. Looking at the xml, my hole and their hole are very similar
- [20:09:56] <dwery>
you might want to copy and paste the xml :D
- [20:10:56] <SilicaGel>
no
- [20:10:59] <SilicaGel>
you were right in the first place.
- [20:11:16] <SilicaGel>
Their 3,6 I can place, their 3,6-PAD I can NOT place from the board side, meaning if it has a pad, it has to be on the schematic.
- [20:11:23] <SilicaGel>
D O H
- [20:12:19] <borillion>
aholler so when you do make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-eabi- menuconfig , how do you get the default settings, are they already marked ? Also having downloaded the kernel sources aren't the modules supposed to be in them already?
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wb sakoman_
- [20:16:02] <dwery>
SilicaGel: yes, a pad must be on the schematic
- [20:16:16] <dwery>
so your cape is going in production?
- [20:16:43] <SilicaGel>
not this one
- [20:16:56] <SilicaGel>
well
- [20:16:56] <SilicaGel>
it is
- [20:17:01] <SilicaGel>
but it's just for us
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k
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borillion: get a config from a running system: zcat /proc/config.gz > .config
- [20:39:24] <aholler>
then run make oldconfig
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- [20:41:22] <Daniel__>
i have a linux question. People say that with Linux, everything is read using files.
- [20:41:22] <Daniel__>
Does this sound familiar?
- [20:41:22] <Daniel__>
can I write to /dev/fb0 and see somthing appear on the screen?
- [20:41:26] <paulctan>
Hi, does anyone know which image versions work with webcams and openCV?
- [20:41:47] <LetoThe2nd>
basically yes.
- [20:41:48] <aholler>
cat /dev/urandom >/dev/fb0
- [20:42:17] <LetoThe2nd>
taking the assumption that there is a screen connected and set up properly.
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- [20:42:29] <LetoThe2nd>
else you can write whatever you like and nothing is gonna show up
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- [20:50:01] <jsabeaudry>
Am I supposed to use optimization flags like -O3 with kernel modules?
- [20:52:30] <jay6981>
up to you
- [20:54:13] <jsabeaudry>
ok so its legal, nice
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- [20:54:25] <jay6981>
it just makes tighter asm
- [20:54:48] <jsabeaudry>
Perhaps this will reduce abominable irq latency of up to 55ms im getting
- [20:54:56] <jay6981>
doubt it
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- [20:55:14] <jsabeaudry>
(it includes my actual irq code)
- [20:55:19] <mranostay>
yeah that isn't really a compile time
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- [20:55:23] <mranostay>
*thing
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- [20:55:33] <jay6981>
55ms is an eternity, that's a lot of cycles
- [20:55:47] <jsabeaudry>
ya I'm puzzled what takes so long
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- [20:55:59] <jsabeaudry>
especially at 720 MHz
- [20:58:18] <jsabeaudry>
From what I can see at the scope, its anywhere from 0.5 ms to 55 ms
- [20:59:00] <jsabeaudry>
Ideally, I would need it to be always under 2ms
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- [21:03:22] <jsabeaudry>
mranostay, jay6981: Any idea what could influence irq lantency?
- [21:04:51] <aholler>
most irqs are now tasks, so I assume the scheduler
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- [21:13:12] <jsabeaudry>
awful news
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- [21:31:25] <jsabeaudry>
Well, I guess it's time to look at the scheduler, because my interrupt code is 5us-15us long
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- [22:01:07] <jsabeaudry>
I'll give it a try with CONFIG_PREEMPT and CONFIG_HZ=1000
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- [22:09:30] <borillion>
why is my board stopping after ehci-omap.0 supply hsusb1 not found, using dummy regulator ? :|
- [22:09:53] <borillion>
just started doing it?
- [22:11:18] <mru>
undo whatever you did just before it started doing that
- [22:12:41] <toofar>
anyone familiar with the wl1271?
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- [23:42:56] <congduy>
I want program Driver for BeagleBoard, can you share me a documents?
- [23:43:36] <prpplague>
holy cow, thats a good one
- [23:43:49] <mru>
I suggest reading the internet
- [23:44:15] <thurbad>
... like all of it?
- [23:44:38] <mru>
sure
- [23:44:46] <mru>
start with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDbyYGrswtg
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- [23:59:22] <prpplague>
mdp: hehe
- [23:59:23] <mdp>
copy-paste-archive!
- [23:59:30] <prpplague>
mdp: already on G+
- [23:59:35] <mdp>
w00t!
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